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Speaker 1: San Antonio District judge resigns after a federal corruption probe.

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Speaker 2: A former San Antonio, Texas judge goes to federal prison

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Speaker 2: after pleading guilty to accepting bribes in exchange for rigging

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Speaker 2: cases in his court. Angus McGuinty committed the ultimate judicial sin.

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Speaker 2: Why did you do it?

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Speaker 1: I did it because I was foolish.

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Speaker 5: Well, folks, it's Ken Flow's favorite part of the week.

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Speaker 5: It's the annikin Florian Podcast one hundred and ninety third edition.

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Speaker 5: One half episode in there as well. It is Monday,

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Speaker 5: March fourth, twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 6: It's good to see you.

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Speaker 5: Flow video is not a part of the Anakin Floring podcast.

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Speaker 6: Anymore.

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Speaker 5: For me, I like to be able to see every

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Speaker 5: Monday morning, how you doing.

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Speaker 7: Likewise, dude, uh man, what in a weekend of bites?

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Speaker 7: Can't wait to talk to you about it? And man,

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Speaker 7: some exciting, exciting fights over the weekend.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 5: So we're going to get to everything that was UFC

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Speaker 5: two thirty five. And of course the UFC is in

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Speaker 5: a stretch here of nine live events in as many weekends.

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Speaker 5: So ken Flow's got more predictions coming up for UFC

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Speaker 5: Fight Night Lewis versus Dos Santos, Wichita Kansas coming up.

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Speaker 5: That one is Saturday, March ninth on ESPN. Plus, there's

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Speaker 5: so much to get to on UFC two thirty five.

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Speaker 5: We have about eleven minutes before we're joined by the

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Speaker 5: Great Ray Longo. So I want to start with kamara

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Speaker 5: Usman if I could. I don't know when it was,

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Speaker 5: you know, I don't know if it was when he

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Speaker 5: beat Alexander Yakovlev thirty to twenty five times three, or

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Speaker 5: when heat Warley Alvez dominantly, or a striker like Sean Strickland.

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Speaker 5: But there was a time, a long time ago where

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Speaker 5: I felt like kamara Ushman at any on any given

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Speaker 5: Saturday night, could be the best welterweight in the world,

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Speaker 5: and I know his belief in that goes back to

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Speaker 5: the time he was nine or ten and one as well.

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Speaker 5: And he finally got his chance, you know, in main

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Speaker 5: events against Damian Main, Hafeyel Dos Andos to get this

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Speaker 5: championship opportunity. And while some people are maybe surprised at

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Speaker 5: the nature of the win, given the domination, I can

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Speaker 5: understand that, but Kenny Rashad Evans, your boy, and anyone

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Speaker 5: who has followed this guy closely, they're not surprised at

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Speaker 5: all to see a UFC welterweight championship belt around the

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Speaker 5: waist of Kamara usb.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and I think there's a reason why Rashad Evans

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Speaker 7: invested so much into Kamara Uzman early on in his career.

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Speaker 6: And I was blown away.

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Speaker 7: I mean, for me, that was probably the most impressive

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Speaker 7: wrestler and dominant Championhike at Tyron Woodley, I think speaks

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Speaker 7: volumes the pressure of the intelligence of how he entered

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Speaker 7: Tyron just look confused at times, I thought was just unbelievable.

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Speaker 6: And Kamorrow Usban just had the performance of his life.

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Speaker 5: And he did it, I guess in some part on

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Speaker 5: one wheel. He acknowledged after the fact on the post

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Speaker 5: show that he was in a boot on Monday. But

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Speaker 5: you're never going to be one hundred percent. But it's

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Speaker 5: been obviously a busy time with back to back to

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Speaker 5: for Kamara Usman, who now needs some time before he

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Speaker 5: takes on Kolby Covington. But yeah, I mean I thought, technically,

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Speaker 5: you hit on a lot of good things as far

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Speaker 5: Tyron Woodley, before we spin it forward for Kamara Usman.

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Speaker 5: How do you assess the performance, you know, the inability

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Speaker 5: despite every wish and command from Dean Thomas and Duke Rufus.

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Speaker 5: A lot of people will say sometimes I have the

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Speaker 5: greatest training camp of my life and I don't peek

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Speaker 5: on fight night or I'm flat on fight night. Not

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Speaker 5: the first fighter to have this happen to But are

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Speaker 7: Jeez, you know, there's a few things. There's a bunch

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Speaker 7: don't think it's probable. I don't see that being the

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Speaker 7: case necessarily. What I saw, I saw a kamara Uzman

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Speaker 7: who was again a man on a mission. His eyes,

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Speaker 7: the intensity of when he showed up, you knew he

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Speaker 7: was ready to fight and he was going to give

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Speaker 7: Tyron the fight of his life. When I saw Tyron,

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Speaker 7: I didn't see a guy who looked to be in

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Speaker 7: a few back. Like he To me, he didn't seem

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Speaker 7: of other things going on, both professionally and personally. I

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Speaker 7: don't know if that got to him or whatever it is,

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Speaker 7: And I'm certainly not you using this as an excuse

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Speaker 7: for Tyron. But to me, it didn't seem like it

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Speaker 7: was the same time Woodley. I'm just, you know, being honest,

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Speaker 7: it didn't seem like he was into it. He didn't

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Speaker 6: I don't know. Something seemed off to me.

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Speaker 5: My twin brother echoed a lot of those sentiments, and

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Speaker 5: I dismissed it because you know, he's kind of a

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Speaker 5: better about it kind of a hack too. No, I

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Speaker 5: think there's some truth to that. I don't know if

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Speaker 5: this was as masterful of training camp as the one

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Speaker 5: that Tyron Woodley had before the Darren Till fight. He

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Speaker 5: seemed to intimate as much. But certainly there was a

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Speaker 5: look in Tyron Woodley's eyes in Dallas for that Darren

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Speaker 5: Till fight that maybe wasn't there for this one.

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Speaker 7: No, And to get back to your point, your other point,

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Speaker 7: which was well made, sometimes things just don't go well

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Speaker 7: in a camp. I mean, I think every single damn

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Speaker 7: thing went wrong for me in the BJ Penn fight,

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Speaker 7: Like everything I overtrained, I peaked, probably a month and

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Speaker 6: It was injury.

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Speaker 7: You know, a surgery for a tons elective is all

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Speaker 7: these things to pile up, and timing wise, you can

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Speaker 7: get it wrong. I absolutely acknowledge that that is a

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Speaker 6: Who knows.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, two things working against Tyrone Willy when it

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Speaker 5: comes for an immediate rematch are just the one sided

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Speaker 5: nature of this fight and the looming presence of Colby Covington,

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Speaker 5: who will get to time permitting. But it doesn't look

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Speaker 5: like Tyrone's going to get the immediate rematch despite having

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Speaker 5: one of the best welchweight championship resumes in UFC history

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Speaker 5: for successive title defenses. Before running into Kamara Ousman and

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Speaker 5: just to put a bow on the Usmann performance before

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Speaker 5: we talk about this Covington dynamic, I just thought there

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Speaker 5: was so much good in there, right, and you hit

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Speaker 5: on a lot of the wrestling stuff, but the cardio Kenny,

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Speaker 5: the conditioning, the strength and fucking conditioning to perpetually attack

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Speaker 5: the body right the way he did UFC record setting

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Speaker 5: type of output from Kamara Usman throwing some elbows in there,

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Speaker 5: ken flow, right, I mean I think it's so easy

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Speaker 5: for people to have dismissed Usman on his way here

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Speaker 5: because maybe he wasn't finishing guys left and right that

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Speaker 5: were far beneath him. Right, he's minus eight fifty, minus

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Speaker 5: one thousand against a lot of these guys who he's

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Speaker 5: fighting early on in the day ten and zero in

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Speaker 5: the UFC, completely dominates Tyron Woodley as a plus one

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Speaker 5: fifty underdog. And again when you talk about these great

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Speaker 5: performances by underdogs at a first time championship situation, huge

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Speaker 5: huge effort out of Usman Saturday.

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Speaker 7: Night, John, when I looked at this game plan, I said, well,

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Speaker 7: this is how you gotta beat Tyron Woodley based on

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Speaker 7: the skills of Kamara Usman got. You gotta rough him up,

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Speaker 7: you gotta out wrestle them, you gotta take them down,

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Speaker 7: you gotta beat them up in the clinch. You gotta

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Speaker 7: slow things down, you gotta isolate that big right hand

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Speaker 6: You're gonna cut off the cage.

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Speaker 7: And Timmy, I said, you know what, that just seems

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Speaker 7: like too basic of a game plan. If you're gonna

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Speaker 7: Woodley who comes from that wrestling background. It just seemed

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Speaker 7: he going to get that done?

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Speaker 6: Well? I stayed corrected.

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Speaker 7: He absolutely was able to do that in a dominant fashion.

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Speaker 7: And you know, this wrestling, this singular wrestling style is

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Speaker 7: starting to make a comeback here with guys like Habib Namaga, Metov,

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Speaker 7: Ben Askron, Kamara Uzman.

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Speaker 6: I was blown away by the performance.

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Speaker 5: So Woodley was a two time NCAA Division one All

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Speaker 5: American Pack twelve champion Pack ten. God, why am I

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Speaker 5: getting that right?

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Speaker 6: Pack ten?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm thinking you yeah, big twel big, I'll think it.

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Speaker 5: How could it be? Pacific ten? So Big twelve title

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Speaker 5: for Tyron Woodley, A Division two NASH championship at one

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Speaker 5: hundred and seventy four pounds for Kamara Usman at the

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Speaker 5: University of Nebraska at Kearney. This was an accomplishment that

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Speaker 5: Woodley was cutting down every step of the way. During

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Speaker 5: fight week, chill Sonnon said on our pre show that

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Speaker 5: he feels like, if you realize a national championship, even

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Speaker 5: in D two, that's a really big deal and there

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Speaker 5: isn't as much of a gap as Tyrone would talk about.

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Speaker 5: Kenny I don't know if you can speak to this,

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Speaker 5: if we should get Sean Gray on the phone. But

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Speaker 5: Tyron Wooley said before the fight that if these guys

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Speaker 5: wrestled just purely wrestling, ten times, he beats Kamara Usman

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Speaker 5: ten times. I don't see him beat Kamara Usman ten

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Speaker 6: That, yeah, I mean, listen, I don't know.

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Speaker 7: Based on what we saw in the fight, I'm not

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Speaker 7: sure Tyron could say that Kamarrow was pretty much winning

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Speaker 7: all of the exchanges, even when he wasn't taking him down.

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Speaker 7: He was the man controlling Tyron. It wasn't tyrannt controlling him.

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Speaker 7: And there's a big difference. Just the way that he

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Speaker 7: was able to utilize the underhook and utilize his pressure

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Speaker 7: lean his weight on Tyron and get him to fight

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Speaker 7: his fight I thought was brilliant.

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Speaker 5: So last four wins for Usman, all by decision, all unanimous.

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Speaker 5: I don't know that he's lost around in the UFC. Kenny.

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Speaker 5: It had me this morning actually looking up the only

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Speaker 5: in his second professional fight, who's just nothing more than

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Speaker 5: a journeyman. But it's going to take a special effort

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Speaker 7: You are a psychopath? I mean he looked, he looked

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Speaker 4: It's now time for the Ray Longo minutes.

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Speaker 6: And I got a punch a hole in this fucking chips.

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Speaker 6: That's what I want, is.

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Speaker 5: two pm Eastern Time, two minutes after the Ray Longo

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Speaker 5: Minute was scheduled for today. Sorry about that, Ray, How

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Speaker 5: are you very good man?

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Speaker 8: What's lot lot lots to talk about today?

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Speaker 5: No, oh tons, We'll take it for as long as

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Speaker 5: Kenny thought it was the most impressive performance of the weekend,

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Speaker 8: And look, I think that's the impressive part. He not

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I was. I was blown away as well.

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Speaker 7: You know, there was another fight at one hundred and

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Speaker 8: Okay, look, here's here's my two takeaways from that fight. Yes,

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Speaker 8: I don't how do he get rid of that guy?

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Speaker 8: A rough week last week?

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Speaker 9: I might be going up in a little bit.

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Speaker 5: Stop smoking those backwards before the show, my man, Jesus,

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Speaker 5: I think the smoke.

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Speaker 5: more than maybe you'd even like play. Yeah, football, played

434
00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,240
Speaker 5: middle linebacker in the state of Ohio. Had one hundred

435
00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,439
Speaker 5: and fifty tackles in a season. The dude knows one direction,

436
00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,880
Speaker 5: it's forward. And I think I think these are some

437
00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:51,119
Speaker 5: some thick stripes to be changing sports psychologists or otherwise.

438
00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:52,359
Speaker 5: I'm just not sure he can do it.

439
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,879
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, look, it is a good quality, but

440
00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,480
Speaker 8: he has to focus that quality. He just has to

441
00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,080
Speaker 8: hone it. He's got a great quality. Man, you want

442
00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,800
Speaker 8: to come back? You know who is the other fighter

443
00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,920
Speaker 8: that you know? You know, even like a guy like Bisding, Man,

444
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,120
Speaker 8: he gets hit, but he comes right back like nothing happens. Yeah,

445
00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,600
Speaker 8: but he's you know what I mean, Like it's it's

446
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,680
Speaker 8: a great quality, but he's not using it the right

447
00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,359
Speaker 8: way at this point. So you want your guys to

448
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:22,160
Speaker 8: have that speared and that that that aggression, but it's

449
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,440
Speaker 8: got to be controlled aggression. It's just he can't be reckless.

450
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Speaker 6: Right.

451
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Speaker 5: All of that being said, all credit to Pedro Muno's

452
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Speaker 5: and hopefully Kenny and I have some time on the

453
00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,160
Speaker 5: back side to talk about him and everything that he's

454
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Speaker 5: put on paper in terms of his BANDAM weight resume.

455
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Speaker 5: Your guy Al Jamaine Sterling was really inspired by this fight,

456
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,920
Speaker 5: and I think by this Munio's performance, and I think

457
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:43,920
Speaker 5: you're looking now in this SPANDAM weight division at a

458
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Speaker 5: big four or five that includes both Munyo's and al

459
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Speaker 5: Jamaine Sterling. I know you haven't talked to al Joe

460
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Speaker 5: because the fight just happened, But I mean, what do

461
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Speaker 5: you what do you think his appetite might be to

462
00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,200
Speaker 5: either a main event against Muno's or a possible fight

463
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Speaker 5: with Pedro Given the fact that the Cody fight, I

464
00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 5: would think for Aljo has less upside given the result

465
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:02,640
Speaker 5: this weekend.

466
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Speaker 8: Yeah, exactly, And I think you know Aljo, if you

467
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 8: look at his tweets, I think he really just wants

468
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 8: to fight, so he's he's open to anything. And you know,

469
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 8: I think who knows definitely is a force to be wrecking,

470
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:19,359
Speaker 8: but he's really really he's coming off two really good performances,

471
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Speaker 8: and yeah, al Joe just wants to fight. He wants

472
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Speaker 8: a big fight, and if I think he's going to

473
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Speaker 8: get it.

474
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Speaker 5: So I don't know how much advanced notice you get

475
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Speaker 5: as to who's going to be refereeing your fighters fights,

476
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 5: but I wanted to talk to you about a little

477
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 5: bit of inconsistency we saw this weekend. And eventually we'll

478
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Speaker 5: get Kenny's take on Herb Dean in the Robbie Lawler

479
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,359
Speaker 5: Ben Askron fight, But in terms of the main event

480
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,479
Speaker 5: and the co main event, in terms of the clinch

481
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:49,159
Speaker 5: work and fighters working offensively. I thought Herb Dean and

482
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Speaker 5: Mark Goddard handled some similar situations very differently, just on

483
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 5: total sides of the spectrum when it comes to separating fighters.

484
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 5: Herb Dean not even warning John Jones at any point

485
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Speaker 5: in time and just allowing him to fight and work

486
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 5: offensively in a lot of clint situations. And Mark Goddard

487
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 5: with one of the quicker triggers I've ever seen in

488
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,639
Speaker 5: the Kamara Ousman fight. I don't know if you had

489
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 5: any thoughts on that and how those two men handle

490
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 5: those two situations. Uh, sorry to put you on the spot.

491
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Speaker 8: But well, I don't know, way do you have start with? God,

492
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 8: I think got it. I'm actually starting to feel sorry

493
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 8: for I don't know why, but he just doesn't get it,

494
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 8: you know what I mean. Like, here's the problem more

495
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,400
Speaker 8: with anything with what Mark did. And the other thing

496
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 8: is like he's telling the guys this is a fight,

497
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Speaker 8: like he knows it's a title fight Kamara Lusman and

498
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 8: Tyron Woodley. He knows it's a fight. He guys, this

499
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 8: is a fight, Like they don't know, Like he's above them,

500
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 8: you know, with a little condescending and the other thing

501
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 8: is like, even in the post fight with Kamal, I

502
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,919
Speaker 8: was focused. Nobody was going to break my focus. Tyron Woodley,

503
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 8: whatever he did, I was going to stay focused. Guess

504
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,879
Speaker 8: who broke his focus? Mark got it. He said that

505
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,199
Speaker 8: the only time I'm in half guard, I'm founding the

506
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 8: guy and the guy stands me up. He got to refocus.

507
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 8: So that's where it's a problem. Where he was able

508
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:14,719
Speaker 8: to actually almost Jake Kamal Lusman, who's a super hyper

509
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 8: focused guy out of his game. And that's not right, man,

510
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 8: that's the problem. I listen, my phone rang off the

511
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,920
Speaker 8: hook after he did that. Nobody gets it. And this

512
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 8: is why I feel sorry for him, because he doesn't

513
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 8: get it, you know what I mean. And he's something.

514
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 8: I don't think he's like a bad guy, but he's

515
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 8: just the arrogance is just I don't like she's not

516
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 8: seeing it. That's the problem, you know. And I know

517
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 8: when when the Morob thing, he told me Morob was out,

518
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 8: he was in the fifth row like he knows right, listen, listen, listen,

519
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 8: ray right. He was like there was no evidence, you

520
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 8: know what I mean, Like whatever happened in the Lawla fight,

521
00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 8: you know, and I'd like to know what his take

522
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 8: on was. Does he think Robbie Lawla was out? Laula

523
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 8: definitely wasn't out. But again, at least Herb did his

524
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,439
Speaker 8: due diligence. He picked up the young he looked. I

525
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 8: think he made a bad call. And you know what,

526
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 8: refereeing is a problematic job. You're not getting away. Something's

527
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 8: gonna go wrong eventually. You know what the problem is

528
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,159
Speaker 8: when a guy can't admit it's gonna go that something

529
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:21,640
Speaker 8: went wrong. That's the problem.

530
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Speaker 6: We all know.

531
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Speaker 8: We all forgive people. Herb's a good dude. You can

532
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 8: at least talk to him. I have a laugh with him.

533
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 8: I bet your Herb felt bad about that afterwards, you

534
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 8: know what I mean. But he did try. He did

535
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 8: lift the guys on off. He went through a process,

536
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 8: and you know what, you act on the side of

537
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,640
Speaker 8: fort to protect the guy, and that's what he did.

538
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 8: Was it right? I don't think, And that's just my opinion,

539
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,159
Speaker 8: but you know, you move on. Look at Laula. That

540
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 8: shit happens, and that's it. But when you get guys

541
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 8: that are just they cannot evolve and admit they're wrong,

542
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 8: and they just act like they're above everybody that that's

543
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 8: not a good scene, that's not a good sight, you

544
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 8: know what I mean.

545
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,400
Speaker 7: And I think he nailed it right because with Herb Dean,

546
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 7: you saw him. He looked at Robbie and he apologized immediately.

547
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 7: He's like, you saw his face and he just said,

548
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 7: damn it. He's like, I'm sorry, I you know, I

549
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,439
Speaker 7: thought you were out. He made a mistake and he

550
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 7: acknowledged it immediately. I think the problem is if you

551
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 7: want to get better, if you truly want to get better,

552
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 7: if you truly want.

553
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 6: To get and it can be hard. You know.

554
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 7: We build up this thing, this image of Kenny Florian

555
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 7: or Mark Goddard or Ray Longo, whoever it is, and

556
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 7: we want to protect this thing. But if you want

557
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 7: to get better at whatever it is you're doing, you

558
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,439
Speaker 7: gotta be able to take criticism. And it's hard. You know,

559
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 7: there's the mean people out there. But at the same time,

560
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 7: you gotta be able to listen and acknowledge it. And

561
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,239
Speaker 7: I think Mark Gardard is a longtime martial artist. He

562
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 7: does know the sport, he knows what he's doing, but

563
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 7: sometimes you get caught up playing someone else's instrument to

564
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 7: a certain extent and thinking that you gotta you gotta

565
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 7: make it exciting for the fans.

566
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 6: Listen, it's a sport.

567
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 7: Call the call the fight the way it's supposed to

568
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 7: be called, and that's it.

569
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Speaker 6: Who cares about anybody else.

570
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 7: But at the same time, you got to listen to

571
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 7: what the feedback that you're getting.

572
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 8: Exactly, and he's not gonna listen. And I think that's

573
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 8: the problem. And the other thing is, you know, there's rules.

574
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 8: You're there to just uphold the rules in there. You know,

575
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 8: he might be a victim of spectator syndrome, you know

576
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 8: what I mean, where he's viewing that fight as a

577
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,959
Speaker 8: spectator who knows what he's doing. But h you know,

578
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,120
Speaker 8: he's gonna take this the wrong way because that's who

579
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 8: he is. And instead of you know, you know, agreeing

580
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,199
Speaker 8: to disagree or something, he's just gonna probably gonna go

581
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 8: off the rails. I mean, because he that's the issue.

582
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 8: That is the That's why I sayd I kind of

583
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 8: feel bad form. I don't think he's a bad guy,

584
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 8: you know what I mean. I think when he goes

585
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,199
Speaker 8: in there, he wants to do the right job. But

586
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 8: you know, some guys, look, some guys should tell the

587
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 8: joke to they get it. They get the punchline right away.

588
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 8: Some guys get it a week later. He's never get it.

589
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 8: Some guys never get it.

590
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, well you know what I mean.

591
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 8: And this is the issue. You know. That's why I

592
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 8: say I feel sorry for him, because inherently I don't

593
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 8: think he's doing anything on purpose or he's malicious. He's

594
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 8: just you know, it might not be the thing for him,

595
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 8: you know.

596
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 5: I'm just like, it's amazing, Kamara. Usman set all these

597
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 5: UFC records for strikes, landed and thrown, and yet he

598
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 5: got warned several times despite an historic offensive UFC output.

599
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,719
Speaker 5: I need to leave it at that rate because I

600
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 5: have to get to two other things. Okay, that's you know,

601
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 5: I rest, and let me.

602
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 8: Just say another thing too with that before I forget,

603
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 8: is that if he's a martial artist, Jenny, he should

604
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 8: appreciate the work that Usman was doing down there.

605
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 6: Couldn't agree more.

606
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 8: He should appreciate that, couldn't agree more. It should reward it,

607
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 8: not take it away. When the guy's looking at you like, dude,

608
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 8: is this something wrong with you?

609
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 6: Well, that's that's the thing.

610
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 7: Goddard is a Brazilian jitsu black belt, you know, from

611
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 7: an awesome school. He's experienced, he knows what it is

612
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 7: to be on the ground. That that's what was so

613
00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 7: surprising to me. It's like this this one to eighty

614
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 7: switch that has happened, and I don't know, I don't

615
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 7: quite understand it. I respect the guy, but you don't

616
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 7: know it was it was, it was a funny decision.

617
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 8: I don't know. Hey, yeah, go ahead, we go.

618
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 5: Sorry, I just got to get to two more things

619
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 5: with you, and I don't want to keep you too long.

620
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 5: But so we saw two very demonstrative corners in losing

621
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 5: these championship fights with Mark Montoya, with Anthony Smith, and

622
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 5: then Duke Rufus and Dean Thomas really letting Tyron Woodley

623
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 5: have it. And certainly for Anthony Smith, he didn't do

624
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 5: really anything offensive over the final eleven minutes of this

625
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 5: fight despite the wishes of his corner. I give both

626
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 5: corners respect for really telling it to their fighters like

627
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 5: it was, despite not getting what they were asking for.

628
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 5: I just didn't know if you had any thoughts on

629
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 5: on just how certa of those of those corners were

630
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 5: and why maybe their fighters weren't able to pull the trigger.

631
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 8: One hundred percent have something. Dean Thomas, I give an

632
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 8: eight plus unbelievable job in the corner, trying to do

633
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 8: everything and to motivate his friend. I thought Dean Thomas

634
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 8: did a great job and he was emotional. He was

635
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 8: you know, you could see was passionate. That's his buddy.

636
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 8: How are you letting this guy do this? Tee? You

637
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 8: know how to doesn't know how to fight? Was it

638
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 8: like one of those things he's not telling them what

639
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 8: to do. He wasn't really doing anything, So yeah, I'd

640
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 8: have to think of you know, he can only tries.

641
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 8: I mean, Dean Thomas can walk out of that fight.

642
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 8: He did his best. Tyrone Woodley unfortunately walks out of

643
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,959
Speaker 8: that ring not not in the same vein as Dean Thomas.

644
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 8: You know what I mean, Dean, Dean really tried. I

645
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 8: mean I thought that was a great job. I actually

646
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 8: called Matt I go Dean, man, what a job Dean

647
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Speaker 8: didn't he? I mean, he was down to life. What's

648
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 8: going on? And I think Mark, look, Mark said something

649
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 8: to Anthony Smith's like he couldn't get him to go forward.

650
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Speaker 8: But if he's not aggressive, he's not he's not Anthony Smith.

651
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Speaker 8: And then after that maybe he gets a little crazy

652
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 8: with you know, where's the lion heart and that kind

653
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 8: of crap. But he did say, you're not going to

654
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 8: be effective standing that's not who you are, right, you know,

655
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 8: it's like making Tody Godbrand, you know, fight going backwards.

656
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 8: It's not gonna happen like you know what I mean,

657
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 8: Like it's to be effective. He had to move forward

658
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 8: and something. Look, it's not easy. John Jones is super talented,

659
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 8: but something was interrupting him from moving forward.

660
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 7: Ray, I would have just said that the only thing

661
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Speaker 7: is with Anthony Smith's corner, and I agree with you

662
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Speaker 7: with Dean Thomas. He did a phenomenal job and Anthony

663
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Speaker 7: Smith's corner. The only thing is he kept talking about

664
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Speaker 7: being tough. I don't know about you. I think Anthony

665
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 7: Smith's pretty damn tough. I don't think he had anything

666
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 7: to do with that. I think it was that eighty

667
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 7: four inch reach and all those weapons of John Jokes.

668
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 6: Tell him how to get in the inside, tell him

669
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Speaker 6: how to move forward.

670
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Speaker 7: That was the only thing I think he could instead

671
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 7: of just kept going crazy with the lion hard stuff

672
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 7: and you gotta be tough and tough, tough and lying hard.

673
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Speaker 6: I mean, tell him what to do and how to

674
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Speaker 6: do it. Damn it.

675
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Speaker 8: But I think he did. I think I think he

676
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 8: did start off like that. I think he did say, look,

677
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 8: if you're not going forward, you're not who you are.

678
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Speaker 8: I think that was pretty good. I agree with that.

679
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 8: But then he could said, listen, man, move your head,

680
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 8: make him miss, get inside, rub them up, make it

681
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 8: a dirty fight, get knocked out. It's better than what

682
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 8: we're doing now. I mean, that's exactly what I would

683
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Speaker 8: have said. And I think he did say, go out

684
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 8: on your shield, get knocked out, don't don't do this.

685
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 8: This is not gonna there's gonna be something you're gonna

686
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 8: regret on Monday morning. And you. I mean, he could

687
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 8: have been a little more like Dean Commas. That's why

688
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 8: I like. I like the emotions. I like knowing the guys.

689
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 8: You know he's heartfelt and that you know, you could

690
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 8: see those guys of friends. He did not like what

691
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 8: he was seeing Dean going down, and he tried to

692
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Speaker 8: motivate him. It wasn't like a technique thing. I mean,

693
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Speaker 8: the guy knows how to wrestle, what's he gonna tell him.

694
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 6: How to wrestle a guy, right.

695
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Speaker 8: I don't know what happened there. I don't know what

696
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 8: happened there.

697
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Speaker 6: Now.

698
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Speaker 7: I think the Dean's case there was appropriate. He looked

699
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 7: him right in the eye and he said, I'm not playing.

700
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 7: He goes, you need to go out there and start fighting.

701
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I agree that exactly exactly.

702
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 8: So I think Mark started off, but he started getting

703
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 8: a little desperate maybe when nothing was happening, and he

704
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 8: was trying different methods, and it maybe came out wrong.

705
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Speaker 8: But I mean, I like Mark, I know him, so

706
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 8: he's a great coach. He's on a good run over there.

707
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Speaker 8: But I'm sure he's really disappointed in what happened, like

708
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 8: really disappointed.

709
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Speaker 5: And I know you are not disappointed that Ali Quinton

710
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 5: might get Donald Cowboys Seroni who we bringing in to

711
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 5: to simulate that Seroni style. When's this fight happen? Ray?

712
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 9: Uh?

713
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Speaker 8: You know, I don't know. I mean, obviously Dana said something.

714
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 8: I don't think it's a joke, you know, I talked

715
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 8: to Al about it. So hopefully it happens, and we

716
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 8: got a lot of guys that we could bring.

717
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 5: In for that.

718
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 8: There's a lot of fights. I think on record that

719
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 8: lay out the blueprint on how to beat Seroni. So

720
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Speaker 8: I think it's a great matchup Parral. I think it'll

721
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Speaker 8: be an exciting fight. And I'm I'm you know, I

722
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 8: love by Clinton. So but anything he does, man, I'm

723
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 8: in there one hundred and twenty percent with him.

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Speaker 5: Can't wait, my man, have a great rest of the week.

725
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 5: By the way, you missed on another main event. You

726
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 5: had Woodley over Ousman after losing on kane Velaskiz.

727
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 8: So, uh, here's the difference between me and Mark God

728
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 8: and I can honestly tell everybody suck. Yeah, I got

729
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 8: no problem with that. But before I go, a couple

730
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Speaker 8: of shoutouts. First, I want to give a quick shot.

731
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Speaker 8: Bob Bennett. I think did a great job accepting some

732
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,919
Speaker 8: of the rules, but you know, taking that that two

733
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,879
Speaker 8: hands on the floor, he didn't accept that to waste

734
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 8: the time and does nothing for anybody. So hats off

735
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 8: to Benetfit at least thinking outside the box and saying, look,

736
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Speaker 8: I'll take a couple of your recommendations, but I don't

737
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 8: have to take anything. And I think that's the way

738
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 8: it should be. The ABC should make recommendations and you

739
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 8: pick what you like, and you you know, you don't

740
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 8: take what you don't like, but what doesn't make sense

741
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,720
Speaker 8: to you and diego. Sand says, come on, guys.

742
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 9: Oh, come on, you gotta love this guy.

743
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 7: He's a beast. He is an absolute savage. And uh,

744
00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 7: I got that upset pick at.

745
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Speaker 6: Least you did.

746
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,800
Speaker 8: Oh you think get that good for you. And I

747
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 8: gotta tell you, man, what a good guy, and just

748
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 8: wish all good things on that guy. I think he's uh,

749
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 8: he's always been such a nice guy. Claire Sack with

750
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,720
Speaker 8: a great you know, great for the sports. And again,

751
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 8: I don't know, I just there's something about him winning

752
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 8: that just makes me happy.

753
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 5: You know, I like what I like seeing that he

754
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 5: is an amazing human being. And we'll talk a little

755
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 5: bit about that on the backside. All right, ray, hey,

756
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 5: thanks for the extended time. Man, little extra in your

757
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 5: paycheck this week. You just got to start picking winners

758
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 5: and this, you know, this Christmas check this year might

759
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 5: be really fat, but you just gotta, you know, just

760
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 5: got to tighten up those picks.

761
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 8: You know what the problem is, I do appreciate what

762
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 8: he's saying. I do think backstage at the Barkley center.

763
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 8: I saw Who's man. I said, you're definitely the next champion.

764
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 8: Oh man, I love I love Dean Thomas. And then

765
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 8: Tyrone's a great guy. And I think part of the

766
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 8: problem with Tyrone that I'm thinking about. He does great

767
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 8: with the announcing, and I think there's a problem we

768
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 8: see with all of these guys that become champions. They

769
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 8: do outside stuff. He's rapping, he's making movies. He's doing

770
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 8: great with the announcer, and I think it's just mentally

771
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 8: takes something away, you know, I don't know. That's all

772
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 8: I got.

773
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 5: Well, that's a good way to end it, buddy, thanks

774
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 5: for the time. We'll talk to you in less than

775
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 5: seven days, kid.

776
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 8: Beautiful man. Take it there. You have a great week, guys.

777
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 6: Thanks Ray.

778
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 5: He is Ray Longo every week Dating two, Episode one

779
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 5: of the Anak and Florian podcast. So we're like running

780
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 5: out of time, TJ. I don't know if we can

781
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 5: text this guest picker and back him up five minutes

782
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 5: or so. So Anthony Smith in defeat to John Jones.

783
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Speaker 5: I mean, certainly we could spend fifteen minutes Kenny technically

784
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 5: on Jones Jones and just how violent and myriad his

785
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 5: weapons are and feel free to do so at any time.

786
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 5: But there's so many layers to this Anthony Smith loss, right,

787
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 5: the lack of offense that I talked about, the unbelievable durability,

788
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 5: and somehow this guy's like not even bleeding after the fight,

789
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 5: just hart for days. He absorbs the illegal strike, doesn't

790
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 5: take the DQ win, which he certainly could have done.

791
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 5: What I wondered about on the post show, Kenny was

792
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 5: if this was just your average fight, right, and maybe

793
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 5: Anthony Smith making one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars

794
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 5: to show, another one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars

795
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 5: to win, and Elvis moved topchicch knees him in the

796
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 5: head on the ground, and all he has to do

797
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 5: is say I can't continue. And he makes a corter

798
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 5: million dollars and he has three little girls at home, right,

799
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 5: A little bit different than his championship situation when you're

800
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 5: fighting John Jones to just take your w in that situation.

801
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 5: I have so much respect for his desire to win

802
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 5: it the right way. But I do think if the

803
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,959
Speaker 5: circumstances were different, and those were the circumstances, that maybe

804
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 5: things would have been different, but a lot of respect

805
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 5: for John Jones and certainly Anthony Smith and defeat flow

806
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 5: Saturday night.

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Speaker 6: Anthony Smith is an honorable dude.

808
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 7: Having met him, I am not surprised in the least

809
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 7: that he went out and made that decision.

810
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 6: Anthony Smith is a legit dude.

811
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 7: He is a true fighter through and through, so that

812
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 7: did not surprise me.

813
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 6: That is the way it should be done.

814
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:02,439
Speaker 7: Anthony Smith is a g no doubt about Listen as

815
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 7: far as his performance, shit, man, I think this is

816
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 7: just the way I saw it going down. When I

817
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 7: see a guy like a John Jones completely neutralize a

818
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 7: guy with a lot of weapons and Alexander Gustafson, when

819
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 7: I see a guy in John Jones who's able to

820
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 7: make an amazing legendary fighter like a Daniel Cormier look

821
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 7: normal out there, I mean, there is no way that

822
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 7: Anthony Smith was gonna be able to touch John Jones.

823
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 6: That's how good he is. And that's why John Jones

824
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:36,720
Speaker 6: is John Jones.

825
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 7: He does not fight you in his in your strength,

826
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 7: he will find a way to expose you, whether he

827
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 7: knows it before the fight or during the fight. He

828
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 7: will adapt. He will find your weakness and he will

829
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 7: expose it and destroy you. That's how good John Jones is.

830
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 7: And I think we all talk about his physical characteristics,

831
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 7: and there are many, There's no doubt about it. However,

832
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 7: his intelligence should not be overlooked. He will go down

833
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 7: as one of the more intelligent fighters in UFC history,

834
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 7: not only because of all the weapons that he can employ,

835
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 7: but the way that he employs them. He is a

836
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 7: brilliant fighter. Good luck beating that guy. He can completely

837
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 7: make you disappear. All of your strengths will disappear in

838
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 7: a fight when you fight John Jones.

839
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 5: And now, at thirty one years old, I would put

840
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 5: him in the group of the hardest workers in the game.

841
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 5: He's an outstanding teammate, has a huge heart for all

842
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 5: the people that are close to him, is exceedingly coachable.

843
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 5: And this team, Kenny, that John Jones tried to give

844
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 5: every ounce of credit to during fight week, right, think

845
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 5: about I mean Greg Jackson, MMA genius, Mike Winkle, John

846
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:47,399
Speaker 5: striking genius, right, Roberto Allen carr is he Martinez, Brandon Gibson. Right,

847
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 5: this is just so many masterminds under one roof, three

848
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 5: or four times a day. John is getting better and again,

849
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 5: I think it's just going to take a herculean effort

850
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 5: out of Thiago Santos or even somebody at heavyweight to

851
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 5: get this guy off the perch.

852
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 7: And that's the thing, dude, you nailed it. He is

853
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 7: getting better. That's the way it's sposed to be done.

854
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 7: And when you get a guy in John Jones who's

855
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 7: finally now fulfilling that potential. And listen, I think he

856
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,399
Speaker 7: was continually getting better throughout his career. I don't think

857
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 7: that has ever stopped or that we saw John Jones

858
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 7: that kind of looks stagnant in his progression as a

859
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 7: martial artist.

860
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 6: But yeah, it's it's unbelievable.

861
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 7: This guy truly is a martial artist and a student

862
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 7: of the game, and that is scary. So the fact

863
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 7: that he's sitting down on his punch is more the

864
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:42,240
Speaker 7: fact that he's more defensively responsible and aware of where

865
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 7: he's susceptible. And you know, you contrast that to you know,

866
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 7: and I hate to use this as an example because

867
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 7: I love Cody Garbrandt, but you know, the discipline also

868
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 7: in John Jones to say I'm not gonna go out

869
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 7: here and throw this away. And yes, I could probably

870
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 7: go out there and stand toe to toe with Anthony

871
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,959
Speaker 7: Smith and knock him out, but I'm not. I'm still

872
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 7: gonna look good in the process, but I'm not gonna

873
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 7: throw it all away in being reckless.

874
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 5: And what's interesting is that coming into this fight, Kenny

875
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 5: he had only fought four times since the Alexander Gustafson fight,

876
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 5: despite the fact that that was five and a half

877
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 5: years ago, and that was the night on which he

878
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 5: learned all of those valuable lessons about what not to

879
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,919
Speaker 5: do in terms of underestimating a guy and in terms

880
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 5: of not making the right adjustments or whatever else right.

881
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,280
Speaker 5: So he was able to learn all of these lost

882
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 5: type lessons in a win and you're just we just

883
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 5: he just hasn't competed that much. You know what it

884
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 5: does be he wasn't getting better. Uh, maybe Maheta will

885
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 5: be next. I think it's a very intriguing fight and

886
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 5: one that would certainly, you know, get me up off

887
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 5: the couch to hit the pay per view by button.

888
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 5: So we'll see if if that's the next fight for

889
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 5: John Jones still remains to be seeing what Daniel Cormier

890
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 5: wants to do. And also too, I think it was

891
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 5: ambitious for John Jones to think he'd be able after

892
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 5: fighting late December to fight four times in twenty nineteen.

893
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 5: He says he wants to make twenty million dollars this year.

894
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 5: This was a hard five round fight. I think out

895
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 5: know if he's going to be able to turn around

896
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 5: before July, but maybe it's international international fight week for

897
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 5: Johnny Bones. So I want to get your thoughts on

898
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 5: on Robbie Lawler and Ben Askron, and I think there's

899
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,879
Speaker 5: just so much respect for both of these athletes right

900
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 5: in terms of what they're able to do. But the

901
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 5: end of the fight obviously left a lot to be desired.

902
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 5: In the moment, it looked like the arm went limp,

903
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 5: but when herb Dean Dean went to get the arm,

904
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 5: he didn't necessarily give it a chance to drop back down.

905
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 5: Lawler protested immediately, I don't know what you can give

906
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 5: us in terms of the bulldog choke and whether it

907
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 5: can or it's easy to render someone unconscious with what

908
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 5: happened there and on what side of a default.

909
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 7: Okay, so this was a tricky one, man. I will

910
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 7: say this. You know, Rogan thought he was out and

911
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,479
Speaker 7: like when arm dropped it been in the jiu jitsu

912
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 7: world and you've seen guys pass out and you see

913
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 7: an arm being active and it just drop and go

914
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 7: limp and rest on the canvas. It looked like he

915
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 7: was out. I absolutely agree with Rogan. It looked like

916
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 7: he had gone out. The one thing that maybe an

917
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 7: experienced referee should have done, and it's very easy for

918
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 7: me to say that right in hindsight, is to grab

919
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 7: that arm, lift it up and see if it goes

920
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 7: back down, and to really get in there and look

921
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 7: at Robbie Lawler's face. I don't know if Herb Dean

922
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 7: really looked down and looked at Robbie Lawler's eyes to

923
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,959
Speaker 7: see whether he was in or out. That's the only

924
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 7: thing I think he should have done to really confirm that.

925
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 7: But man, it really did look like Robbie Lawler was

926
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,760
Speaker 7: actively trying to get out, and all of a sudden,

927
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 7: that arm that was reaching for the head of Askin

928
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:42,439
Speaker 7: just went completely limp.

929
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 6: So it looked bad. It looked like he had gone out.

930
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,320
Speaker 7: The bulldog choke, though it can absolutely render someone unconscious

931
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 7: if it gets around the neck, you can definitely put

932
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 7: someone to sleep with it. It looked like it was

933
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 7: kind of around the chin, but again, the was tricky

934
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 7: from where I was singing on the camera.

935
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,320
Speaker 6: That's a tricky one. And also in Ben Askrin.

936
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 7: If you go to his Instagram, there's a few videos

937
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 7: of Ben Askron smashing watermelons and pumpkins with that very

938
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 7: same grip, so he could break a jaw, he could

939
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 7: put you to sleep, whatever it is. I mean, I

940
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 7: don't want to be in there against Asker. I know

941
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 7: what I'm doing. When someone tries to choke me, I

942
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 7: don't want to be in there. So a man, that

943
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 7: was a tricky one, dude, And it was one of

944
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 7: those it's almost a good thing because neither of those

945
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 7: guys lost, right, You're like, I don't want to see

946
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 7: any of these guys lose. And I don't think you

947
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 7: could say that Robbie Lawler lost that fight. So it

948
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:42,919
Speaker 7: was almost a good thing. And when I looked back

949
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 7: at it, because both of those guys just showed an

950
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 7: immense amount of heart, will, determination and fighting skill that

951
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 7: I and it's so contrasting. The styles are so contrasting too.

952
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 7: I thought it was just a fascinating fight. Yeah, but

953
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 7: it definitely left me wanted, wanting more, and I hope

954
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 7: at some point, I don't know if it's going to

955
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 7: be the next fight, I hope at some point they're

956
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 7: running back.

957
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think Robbi Lawler is going to have

958
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 5: a healthy appetite to try to turn around quickly.

959
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 9: Here.

960
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 5: He didn't absorb any damage, and I just feel like

961
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 5: he put in a great training camp and was in

962
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 5: such a good physical and mental place that why would

963
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 5: you want to you know, after taking all that time off,

964
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 5: his knee finally got healthy, sort of reaped the benefits

965
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 5: of the training camp and turn around in three or

966
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,399
Speaker 5: four weeks. There's a show every weekend. You know, it's

967
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 5: not out of the realm with possibility. And you are

968
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 5: starting to see increasingly in the UFC guys are getting

969
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 5: fights four or five weeks out, Kenny, right, just the

970
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 5: first matchup they're getting is four or five weeks out

971
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 5: as these cards and locations come together. But yeah, I

972
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 5: would agree with you. I'd like to see Ben Askron

973
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 5: get the dar un til Jorge Mosfitt all winner, and

974
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,240
Speaker 5: he's going to be in London as a guest fighter,

975
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 5: So hopefully that's something that happens, all right, so real

976
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 5: quickly on Pedro Munoz and then we'll get to Diego Sanchez.

977
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 5: You know, as we mentioned on the broadcast, Pedro Munoz

978
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 5: is training with the twenty sixteen Olympic gold medalist boxer,

979
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,959
Speaker 5: Brazilian boxer. I'll get his name while Kenny's talking about

980
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 5: this fight. But I don't quite think the UFC masses

981
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 5: fan base wise realizes what they have in Pedro Muno's right.

982
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 5: He is a tremendous boxer with a ton of power,

983
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 5: with an iron chin that he'll put up against anybody's

984
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 5: in that bandamweight division, including Marlon Medice. He's a Brazilian

985
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 5: jiu jitsu black belt with a ton of outstanding chokes.

986
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 5: I think he's a real problem, you know, and I'm

987
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 5: excited to think he might get Aljoe or even made

988
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 5: at this point in time. But I don't know how

989
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 5: surprised you were with the result. Maybe you were surprised

990
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 5: that that gar Brandt wasn't more disciplined, But Pedro Munyo

991
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 5: is a fucking beast.

992
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 7: He is a beast, and I think those are the

993
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 7: guys you cannot forget about, those guys that are quietly

994
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,760
Speaker 7: training all the time and you know, not really making

995
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 7: a big fuss, but are actually in the gym working hard,

996
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 7: training hard to become a champion. A guy who is

997
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 7: humble like a Pedro Munos, and a guy that when

998
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 7: you look at all of his skills, he's dangerous on

999
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 7: the feed, he's dangerous on the ground, he has some

1000
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 7: serious finishing skill, and he is.

1001
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:03,720
Speaker 6: Tough as nails.

1002
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 7: He is absolutely a problem and he might just be

1003
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:08,760
Speaker 7: fighting for the belt in the near future.

1004
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 6: That's a guy you really got to watch out for.

1005
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 7: And again, I think we all knew that if Cody

1006
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 7: decided to just get reckless in that fight, that he

1007
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 7: could have been in trouble both with a guillotine choke

1008
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,439
Speaker 7: on the ground or getting caught with a big shot,

1009
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 7: because Pedro Munos is a legit threat everywhere he can

1010
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 7: wrestle as well.

1011
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 6: So yeh yeah, man, that that was a.

1012
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 7: Dangerous fight for Cody, and I think we were gonna

1013
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 7: find out a lot of information of how good Pedro

1014
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 7: Munos is, you know, whether Cody was gonna be, you know,

1015
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 7: back on a championship track.

1016
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,240
Speaker 6: We got our answer. Munos is definitely a problem.

1017
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 5: Over eight hundred jiu jitsu matches for Pedro Munio's two

1018
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 5: time Brazilian national no gee champion, the first Brazilian boxer

1019
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 5: to win Olympic gold in twenty sixteen. I'll try his

1020
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 5: name out, Hobson can say sow he trains under Lujo.

1021
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, so he plays on.

1022
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 5: He trains out Luis Doria Junior, Dosantos's longtime boxing coach.

1023
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 5: So there was the connection for Muno's. Munos had so

1024
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 5: many great things to tell us, Kenny. Just in our

1025
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 5: fighter meeting three days after his win over Brian Caraway,

1026
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 5: he sparred this Muay Thai champion against his coach's wishes,

1027
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 5: but he didn't want to relinquish the opportunity to work

1028
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 5: with this guy. You're right, Kenny, I mean you nailed

1029
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 5: it right off the top. He's in the gym every

1030
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 5: single day trying to get better. He is of a

1031
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 5: singular focus, very excited to see where he can go.

1032
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,280
Speaker 5: One other thing that I thought you might find interesting.

1033
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 5: You know, he used to train at King's MMA under

1034
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 5: half Ael Cordero and alongside Cobrina out there before moving

1035
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 5: to Florida and training an American top team and Cody

1036
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 5: Garbrand's camp asked both Cobrinya and half Ael Cordero to

1037
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 5: help Cody garbrand train for Pedro Muno's and both of

1038
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:46,439
Speaker 5: them respectfully turned Garbrandt down and that it later got

1039
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 5: relayed to Pedro. But it just speaks to loyalty from

1040
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 5: Cordero and Cobrino, But also it just speaks to Pedro

1041
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 5: Muno's and what type of regard people hold him in

1042
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 5: to not just go help out the former UFC champion

1043
00:48:58,880 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 5: despite an opportunity that.

1044
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 6: My be entice. That's respect right there.

1045
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 7: Because they're no longer working with them, they have no

1046
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 7: responsibility to do that to stay. Hey, okay, yeah, I'm

1047
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 7: not gonna dri The fact that they did that means

1048
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,720
Speaker 7: they hold Pedro Munius in high regard.

1049
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, last thing before we get to the

1050
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 5: predictions for Wichita and the pronunciation of the week, Diego

1051
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 5: Nightmare Sanchez. Kenny, I know you've got a lot of

1052
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 5: respect and had to feel good to see this. He

1053
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 5: gets the finish of Mickey Gall who talked a whole

1054
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 5: lot of shit, said he was going to render Diego

1055
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 5: Sanchez unconscious in the first round, begged Dana White for

1056
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 5: the fight. So this is setback for Mickey Gall, but

1057
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 5: for Diego Sanchez. Kenny going through a divorce. You know

1058
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 5: right now his wife doesn't want his wife wanted him

1059
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 5: to retire. There's just so much on Diego Sanchez's plate.

1060
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 5: Such a good human being and this is his first

1061
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,399
Speaker 5: finish can flow since June twenty one, two thousand and eight,

1062
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,280
Speaker 5: when he tko Luigi Fioravanti at the Season seven Ultimate

1063
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 5: Fighter finale, first bonus for him since twenty thirteen, thirty

1064
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 5: seven years old. Two straight wins. What else can you say? Man,

1065
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 5: there's only one Diego Sanchez.

1066
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,720
Speaker 6: What a stud man? Again?

1067
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 7: Going back all the way to season one of The

1068
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 7: Ultimate Fighter, you knew Diego Sanchez was a true fighter.

1069
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 7: This guy loves to fight and he has brought that

1070
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 7: same style and become extremely effective all the way up

1071
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 7: to one hundred and seventy pounds. And Mickey gall is

1072
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 7: a young, motivated fighter with some decent skills. And the

1073
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 7: fact that Diego Sanchez was able to really dominate in

1074
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 7: that fight. Obviously in the first round he had some

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Speaker 7: tough situations, but you knew Diego Sanchez was not going

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Speaker 7: to give up.

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Speaker 6: This guy will never give up.

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Speaker 7: He ended up making the right adjustments and just pounded

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Speaker 7: on Mickey Gall and I was super happy for him.

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Speaker 7: Diego Sanchez is a guy who has dealt with a

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Speaker 7: lot in his life. I was not aware that he

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Speaker 7: was going through a divorce right now. That is really

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Speaker 7: tough to deal with. And the fact that he was

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Speaker 7: able to go out there and perform like that against

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Speaker 7: tough guy and Mickey Gall I think says a lot.

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Speaker 7: You know, a lot of the things that we encounter

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00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 7: outside the octagon can hit you harder, and the fact

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00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 7: that Diego Sanchez was able to put that aside and

1089
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 7: focus on this fight again is just another testament to

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00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 7: how tough and how mentally strong Diego Sanchez is.

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Speaker 5: At one point, he lost eighteen matches in a row

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Speaker 5: wrestling as a sophomore in high school, lost eighteen matches

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Speaker 5: in a row became a state champion as a senior

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Speaker 5: at one hundred and fifty two pounds. That Sanchez, right,

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Speaker 5: I mean, what else can you say? Congrats to Diego

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Speaker 5: Sanchez and my apologies to Waylee Jeong. We love you,

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Speaker 5: So the Pronunciation of the week is back because the

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Speaker 5: pronunciation Police is growing in size and we have just

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Speaker 5: got to keep this cesspool in check. So this is

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Speaker 5: a fighter who competed against Cody Stamen over the weekend. TJ.

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Speaker 5: DeSantis cared to give it a crack as to who

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Speaker 5: Cody Staman fought at UFC two thirty five.

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Speaker 6: Alejandro Perez, all right.

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Speaker 5: It was close, but and I love you and I'd

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Speaker 5: love to get you in the wind column, but the

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00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 5: syllabic emphasis was off. Let's hear how Alejandro says it.

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Speaker 5: Alejandro perees Alecandrero.

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Speaker 6: Petties damn it.

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Speaker 5: So Ken Flow can certainly speak to this. So it's

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Speaker 5: a Lejandro Perez, right, but it's Alex Perez, right, the

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Speaker 5: UFC flyweight is Alex Perez. That's how he says it

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Speaker 5: to tape. And for Alejandro, it's Alejandro Perez. Now, before

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Speaker 5: Ken Flow chimes in here, disclaimer, we have every UFC

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Speaker 5: athlete say their name to tape and that is what

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Speaker 5: we go by. We try very hard not to americanize names.

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Speaker 5: We say them the way they want them to be said.

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Speaker 5: And I got a tweet Kenny that said, it's Alejandro

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Speaker 5: Perez because he's Mexican and speaks primarily Spanish, while Alex

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00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 5: is American of Latino descent and primarily speaks English. So

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00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 5: in Spanish, Petes is Petez because of the e, while

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Speaker 5: Perez is Perez because it lacks the accentuation or punctuation

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Speaker 5: on the first E. I don't know, can't believe.

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Speaker 6: So no, and that's absolutely correct. And again, guys, I

1135
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 6: mean that they don't know you.

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Speaker 7: The problem is they don't know John Anick, and they

1137
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:37,319
Speaker 7: don't know how OCD you are and how hard you

1138
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,399
Speaker 7: work to get the like little things like this right.

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Speaker 7: And this is just one of many little things that

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Speaker 7: John Annick tries his hardest to get right.

1141
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Speaker 6: And you guys think you're gonna correct this guy.

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Speaker 5: Come on, I love you for saying that, but it

1143
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 5: is a practice makes perfect situation, right. So we voice

1144
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 5: a lot of stuff before these shows, and in my

1145
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 5: room I say a Lejandro pet Is several times and

1146
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 5: I know listeners right now they're like, God, there he

1147
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 5: goes fucking annoying hearing me say that, And I know

1148
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 5: it is I'm annoying, right, But we strive very hard,

1149
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 5: as ken Flow says, to get these things right, and

1150
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 5: if you practice them in your room repeatedly during fight week,

1151
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 5: then when it comes fight night, you're able to get

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00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 5: it done. So I'm sorry that a lot of my

1153
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,280
Speaker 5: fellow Americans out there feel like every time they see

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Speaker 5: pe R e Z, it's Perez. But I hate to

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Speaker 5: break it to you, it isn't all right. Another fight

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00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:29,399
Speaker 5: card coming up Saturday night on ESPN plus UFC Fight

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Speaker 5: Night Lewis versus Dosantos, Welcome to Wichita. Let's get to

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Speaker 5: the main event. Shop.

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Speaker 4: It's the main event challenge and the.

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Speaker 5: Time is most definitely.

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Speaker 6: I fash fight.

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Speaker 5: How do you everything? Boss?

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Speaker 3: Will to win the main event Challenge? John Hennick and

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Speaker 3: Kenny Florian podcast.

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Speaker 5: R ken Flow No Looking at your phone during the

1166
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:55,439
Speaker 5: standings this week because I kind of want to see

1167
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 5: your face. It was eighteen eighteen going into the UFC

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00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 5: two thirty five, you went head to with Jeremy Angler,

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Speaker 5: this New Yorker who likes the Boston Sports teams. He

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Speaker 5: produced the single biggest points total in the history of

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Speaker 5: the Main Event Challenge, fourteen points. He went eight and

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Speaker 5: oh on his picks. He whacked three underdogs Diego Sanchez,

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Speaker 5: Pedro muno' Kamara Ousman. Ken Flow hit four times. You

1174
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Speaker 5: hit on Diego Sanchez, but uh, Team Annik wins the

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Speaker 5: week fourteen to six. Ooh thirty two. That's twenty four

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Speaker 5: going to the UFC Wichita Ken Flow knows a thing

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Speaker 5: or two about a comeback though. With us to make

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Speaker 5: picks today, I think we've got another New Yorker from

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Speaker 5: that five to one six. Evan Washerman is with us. Evan,

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Speaker 5: how are you men?

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Speaker 9: I'm doing well.

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Speaker 5: How are you guys doing We're doing well. Thanks for

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Speaker 5: your patience. Are you Are you a New Yorker?

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Speaker 9: I am a New Yorker, but I live in Hollywood, Florida.

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Speaker 5: Now Hollywood, Florida. We should have had you in studio

1186
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 5: in Boca Ratona. I'm not far from you, all right.

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Speaker 5: So we've got five selections today on this UFC Wichita card.

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Speaker 5: Let's start in the lightweight division. Benil dar Usch minus

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Speaker 5: one eighty true dover plus one fifth d Evan, don't

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00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 5: look out. But Drew Dober's won five of six. He's

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Speaker 5: the underdog here against Banil Darush. What do you think.

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Speaker 10: I'm leaning towards Daryush. I think his last well, his

1193
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 10: last fight, he got caught by Hernandez. For the fight

1194
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Speaker 10: before that, he was going back towards his grappoli and

1195
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Speaker 10: jiu jitsu, and I think he's gonna stick with that.

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Speaker 10: I think the Hernandez loss was kind of a fluke.

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Speaker 10: He kind of was thrown off by Hernandez charging him

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Speaker 10: with his hands out and then he got caught quickly.

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Speaker 10: I think Daryush is gonna get back and the win

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Speaker 10: colin this week.

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Speaker 5: That's good analysis, Kenflow. Darush has fought the tougher schedule.

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Speaker 5: Dober's never had more UFC momentum than he does right now,

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Speaker 5: and he thoughts on this one at fifty five.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, listen, I think Drew Dober is a tough guy.

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Speaker 7: I just don't see him having enough skill to really

1206
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 7: hurt Benil on the feet. I think he can give

1207
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:53,720
Speaker 7: him some trouble maybe in the wrestling department if Benny's

1208
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 7: trying to take the fight to the mat. But I

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00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:59,839
Speaker 7: think Benny can still take Dober down and from there

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00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:01,760
Speaker 7: I think he would be in trouble against Daryusha.

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna go with Daryusha. I think he gets it

1212
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:04,839
Speaker 6: done all right.

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Speaker 5: The King of Kenosha, Ben Rothwell is back. He hasn't

1214
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Speaker 5: fought nearly three years, dates to a five round unanimous

1215
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Speaker 5: decision loss against Junior Dos Santos that was in a

1216
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Speaker 5: main event in Croatia April of twenty sixteen. Rothwell plus

1217
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Speaker 5: one ten against Bilgoy Ivanov, who's the minus one thirty favorite.

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Speaker 5: Evan big fight here at heavyweight on the main card.

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Speaker 6: Who do you like?

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Speaker 10: This was a little tougher Rothwell with a three year

1221
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 10: layoff kind of just a little hard to make the

1222
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Speaker 10: decision with that. I think I'm gonna go with Ivanov.

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Speaker 9: I think he's he's.

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Speaker 10: Fought more recent He's a pretty good counter striker, and

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Speaker 10: I think Rothwell might try to charge in and go

1226
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Speaker 10: for it to make a big statement on his comeback,

1227
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Speaker 10: and I think Ivanov might just catch him.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Ken Flow, A lot of Better's sharp betters probably

1229
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 5: wouldn't be in a great rush to the window to

1230
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Speaker 5: bet on a guy who's staring at a three plus

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Speaker 5: year layoff for just under that. I guess even Off

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Speaker 5: coming off a unanimous decision lot to Junior Dosantos as well.

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Speaker 5: That was his UFC debut back in Idaho in July,

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Speaker 5: even on Power you know, good chokes, Kenny. What do

1235
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Speaker 5: you think he has for Big Ben Rothwell?

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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Speaker 7: This is interesting because we haven't seen Rothwell in a

1238
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Speaker 7: long time.

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Speaker 6: I wasn't so impressed with even Off.

1240
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Speaker 7: I think that he's a tough dude, there's no doubt

1241
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Speaker 7: about it, has an excellent chin, can be hard to.

1242
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Speaker 6: Take. I don't see him.

1243
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Speaker 7: I don't be in such a threat like Ben Rothwell

1244
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Speaker 7: as I think Rothwell hits harder. I think Rothwell's a

1245
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Speaker 7: little bit more dangerous with the submission skills. We haven't

1246
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Speaker 7: seen Rothel in a while. I'm not sure what to expect.

1247
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Speaker 7: I'm gonna go the other way. I'm gonna go with

1248
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 7: the underdog here Rothwell, and I will say Rothwell's the

1249
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Speaker 7: type of guy. He's very calculated, like Robbi Lawler. He'll

1250
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 7: tell the UFC when he's ready, and when he is,

1251
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 7: he's put in a full training camp. So it'll be

1252
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 7: good to catch up with Rothwell during fight week. But

1253
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Speaker 7: I can see why you went in that direction.

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Speaker 5: All right, Tim means Business minus two hundred, Nico Price

1255
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Speaker 5: plus one seventy. I like this matchmaking, Evan. Here in

1256
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Speaker 5: the welterweight division two just violent fighters and finishers. Which

1257
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Speaker 5: way you go in, Tim Means or Nico Price.

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Speaker 9: I'm gonna go with Nico Price. I like what I've

1259
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 9: seen from him. I know his last fight wasn't his best.

1260
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Speaker 9: I just think he's.

1261
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Speaker 10: Pretty interesting striker, and he's pretty good on the mat too,

1262
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Speaker 10: and I'm a fan of his and I think he's

1263
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 10: gonna get it done against Tim Means.

1264
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Speaker 5: All right, So Evan likes Nico Price plus one seventy

1265
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Speaker 5: of the price ken Flow nineteenth UFC sat here for

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Speaker 5: Timmy means Business ten UFC wins. Nico Price is a

1267
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 5: wild man. What do you think of this one? This

1268
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 5: is a tricky one.

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Speaker 7: Nico Price is very dangerous, and I think that as

1270
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 7: far as his power he might hit a little harder

1271
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 7: than Tim Means. I think Tim Means is more a

1272
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Speaker 7: more technical striker. But man, I'll go with Means here.

1273
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Speaker 7: I think Means gets it done somewhere in the clinch

1274
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 7: or he, you know, gets it done by decision. I

1275
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 7: think Tim Means experience also is a factor in this

1276
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 7: one here against Nico. But Nico scary, but I'll go

1277
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Speaker 7: with Means, and I will go with the under two

1278
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 7: and a half rounds with Tim Means and Nico Price.

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Speaker 5: Sorry. Comaine event one of four welterweight fights on the card,

1280
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 5: all told close one according to Las Vegas. Evan Elzillo's

1281
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Speaker 5: a Leskio Santos minus won fifteen Curtis Millinder minus one

1282
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 5: oh five. Who do you like in the Comain?

1283
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 6: Evan?

1284
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 9: I like Milander u Less. He's a fun fighter.

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Speaker 10: He's got really awesome strikes from different angles that you

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Speaker 10: don't really see often.

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Speaker 9: But Milinder's got a little bit.

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Speaker 10: Of a reach advantage, and he's a pretty good kickboxer,

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Speaker 10: and I think he could keep him at a keeps

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Speaker 10: Aeleski at a little bit of a distance and either

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Speaker 10: catch him or just out point them in the fight.

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Speaker 6: See.

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Speaker 5: I like this Evan Wasserman cat right, you can tell

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Speaker 5: he's done his homework, gives you a couple of nuggets,

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Speaker 5: and then he's in and out fifteen to thirty seconds.

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Speaker 5: I mean, exactly what we're looking for. Kenny Milliner's won

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Speaker 5: nine fights in a row Reno in the UFC. You

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Speaker 5: know how I feel about Ilizio's Aleskio Santo's total animal

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Speaker 5: six UFC wins already and six straight. He lost that

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Speaker 5: split decision UFC debut to Nicholas Dalby. Has been on

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Speaker 5: fire since. This might be his toughest test, though, I think,

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Speaker 5: with respect to some other guys that Dosantos has fought.

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Speaker 5: What do you think here about the co main event?

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Speaker 5: Elzio's Aleskio Santo's the slight favorite right.

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Speaker 6: Now, very interesting fight.

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Speaker 7: Curtis Millinder is a guy who I know who trains

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Speaker 7: with Raymond Daniels, who is a fantastic karate fighter and

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Speaker 7: kickboxer in Orange County. And you know, I think who

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Speaker 7: better than Raymond daniel is one of the best strikers

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Speaker 7: in the world to train with to get ready for

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Speaker 7: an interesting style and aggressive style like a less Aleski

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Speaker 7: Dos Santos. So you know, but I think for Millander,

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Speaker 7: the only thing that kind of I think he needs

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01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 7: to do more of is throw more combinations, and sometimes

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Speaker 7: I think he he looks to outpoint you more than

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Speaker 7: kind of put together some some devastating combinations, because it's

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Speaker 7: not like he's not capable of doing that. He's absolutely

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Speaker 7: capable of doing it. He has excellent size for the division,

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Speaker 7: long legs, utilizes them very well, knows how to keep

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Speaker 7: distance pretty well. But I think Dos Santos, in his

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Speaker 7: aggression and his ability to pressure you and look for

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Speaker 7: those openings, I think he might be able to catch

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Speaker 7: someone like a Curtis Milinder, or at least get him

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Speaker 7: tired late in the fight and get the win. I

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Speaker 7: think Zeleski Do Santos gets the winner.

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Speaker 5: All right, and he is slightly favored to do just

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01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 5: that all right. Main event heavyweight division, the former champ,

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Speaker 5: Junior Dosanto's favored right now at to minus two forty

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Speaker 5: clip against the black Beast Derek Lewis, who comes back

1330
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 5: about plus one ninety or so. Evan nait a round

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Speaker 5: and a method of victory here for the headliner, who

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Speaker 5: do you think wins the main event in Wichita?

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Speaker 10: This is gonna be a great one. I think these

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01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 10: guys are just gonna stand and throw in the middle

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Speaker 10: of the octagon. That's been their style. Junior Dosantos is

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Speaker 10: pretty good. His boxing is probably one of the best

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Speaker 10: as a heavyweight. Black Beasts is just He's just a monster,

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Speaker 10: and I think he can a lot of punishments we've

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Speaker 10: seen in his fight and all he needs.

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Speaker 9: Is just one to drop him.

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Speaker 10: And against Tito Vasa JDS got caught a couple like ones,

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Speaker 10: so I think I think Black Beast can stand the damage.

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Speaker 9: I'm gonna go Black Beast second round TKO.

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Speaker 5: Black Beast, Round two, TKO. All right, Evan Washerman, good job, man,

1345
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 5: thanks for coming on, and if you beat Kem Flow,

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Speaker 5: we'll have you back in the queue before the year's out. Man,

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Speaker 5: great job, Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 9: Guys, I have a great one.

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Speaker 5: Look at that guy, Evan Wasserman, you know, just clean beast,

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Speaker 5: fresh as a clean. I mean, I don't know what

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Speaker 5: he's gonna do to top Jeremy Angler, who got me

1352
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 5: fourteen points. I mean, that's like a big chunk of

1353
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 5: my annual total turned in in one week. Dude, fucking

1354
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 5: hops on with the flow goes eight to O absolutely incredible,

1355
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 5: got every pretty much round and method of victory right.

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Speaker 5: I think he had Johnny Bones by decision. No he didn't,

1357
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 5: but he had I think Gooseman by decision. All right,

1358
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Speaker 5: So need a main event selection out of you. Nineteenth

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Speaker 5: UFC start for Dosanto's look pretty good obviously in that

1360
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 5: stoppage of Tai Tuyvasa into December. The recent title challenger

1361
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Speaker 5: Derek Lewis not good for him against Daniel Cormier in November.

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Speaker 5: Black Beast figures to be pretty motivated here for this

1363
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Speaker 5: main event. Who do you like in Wichitah and how

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Speaker 5: do they get it done? Very dangerous fight for both men.

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Speaker 7: I think this might be one of the few fights

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Speaker 7: that we see Junior de Santos try to hit some

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01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 7: takedowns and put Derek Lewis on his back because sometimes

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Speaker 7: the range which the very susceptible himself and you do

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Speaker 7: not want to get hit with a big shot from

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Speaker 7: Derek Lewis. So for Derek Lewis, I think he has

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Speaker 7: to be ready to try to defend takedowns. Believe it

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Speaker 7: or not, Yes, I think Junior Descantos may try to

1373
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Speaker 7: take down Derek Lewis, but you know. Obviously, Decantos has

1374
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Speaker 7: tremendous speed. I think he has the speed advantage against

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Speaker 7: Derek Lewis. I think Derek Lewis probably has the power advantage,

1376
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 7: if I'm being honest, especially with the hands. So I

1377
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 7: think Do Santos has more tools. He just has to

1378
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:58,560
Speaker 7: fight very smart in this one. I think Docantos gets

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01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:05,720
Speaker 7: it done. Let's go with round two. Let's go with TKO.

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Speaker 5: All right, Junior Dos Santos round two technical knockouts. We'll

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Speaker 5: give you a point for the knockout too, of course

1382
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 5: as well. All right, that is gonna do it for

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Speaker 5: this week. Pretty inspired episode today, quick turn for us though.

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Speaker 5: Next Monday we'll recap this Wichita show. We'll also break

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Speaker 5: down what is just a killer main event coming up

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Speaker 5: in fourteen days March sixteenth, the Gorilla Versus Game Bread,

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Speaker 5: Darren Till, Jorge mas Vidal with that for TJ, DeSantis,

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Speaker 5: Ray Longo, Kenny Florian, John ansan So long for now,

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Speaker 5: Thank y' all for listening. We love you. We'll see

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Speaker 5: you next Monday. Enjoy the fights, don't text and drive

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