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Speaker 2: On the morning of March twenty second, nineteen eighty four,

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Speaker 2: at around six thirty am, police came to the one story,

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Speaker 2: nondescript home in Fayetteville, Arkansas, that belonged to a quiet,

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Speaker 2: unassuming thirty three year old pharmacist named Lee Dixon and

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Speaker 2: his wife Karen. Apparently police had gotten a tip to

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Speaker 2: name was Kim Smith, which is just one of the

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Speaker 2: many unusual facets of this case that we'll go into

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Speaker 2: detail about. Shortly, Kim Smith had gotten a call that

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Speaker 2: Lee Dixon was already on law enforcement's radar. He had

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Speaker 2: recently been embroiled in a scandal after losing his job

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Speaker 2: at Consumer's Pharmacy. Apparently there had been an audit at

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Speaker 2: that pharmacy and there were drugs missing, including pharmaceutical grade cocaine.

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Speaker 2: So a picture was emerging of the quiet, polite pharmacist

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Speaker 2: So police got to the door and they knocked, but

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Speaker 2: Lee and Karen didn't answer. Finally, a little two and

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Speaker 2: He had been shot point blank. Police later determined that

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Speaker 2: Police found Karen in the living room. She had been

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Speaker 2: wrapped with three different types of cords, an extension cord,

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Speaker 2: hatched to a recording device. Her blue bathrobe and her

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Speaker 2: had also been shot multiple times, execution style, but unlike

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Speaker 2: her husband, Karen did not die right away. Investigators believed

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Speaker 2: that her killer, after fatally shooting Lee, told her to

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Speaker 2: autopsy report, that she lived for several minutes after that,

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Speaker 2: but eventually, of course, her wounds were fatal. There was

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Speaker 2: a gunshot wound to Karen's right hand. According to the

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Speaker 2: In her left hand, Karen was clutching a gray, white

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Speaker 2: and red child's jacket. Karen was eight and a half

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Speaker 2: months pregnant, so her unborn child became the third victim. Fortunately,

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Speaker 2: their little boy, the one who answered the door, was unharmed.

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Speaker 2: Police later said that he had probably slept through the

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Speaker 2: whole thing. What started as a family massacre turned out

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Speaker 2: to have ties to another mysterious death, one of a

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Speaker 2: man who drowned in under three feet of water. Later,

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Speaker 2: there would be allegations that Lee, this quiet local pharmacist

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Speaker 2: at the Consumered Pharmacy had been making backdoor deals with

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Speaker 2: local criminals to provide the power players of faet ball

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Speaker 2: with pharmaceutical grade cocaine. I'm Catherine Townsend. If you have

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Speaker 2: a case you'd like me and my team to look into,

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Speaker 2: you can reach out to us at our Helen Gone

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Speaker 2: Murder Line at six seven eight seven four four six'

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Speaker 2: one four or five. That's six seven eight seven four

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Speaker 2: four six ' one four five. This is Helen Gone

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Speaker 2: Murder Line. The double homicide of Lee Dixon and his

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Speaker 2: wife Karen was shocking in its brutality, but actually it

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Speaker 2: quickly announced that they were looking for a single suspect.

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Speaker 2: Lee's friend, forty two year old Dennis Flowers. Neighbors told

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Speaker 2: police they had not heard shots that night, but witnesses

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Speaker 2: hours before he was killed. Witnesses also said that they

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Speaker 2: Lamar Pettis, an attorney who is the friend and landlord

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Speaker 1: Had killed two people and was holding hostages.

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Speaker 2: We're going to get more into what happened with Dennis

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Speaker 1: The third was that.

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Speaker 2: It was something completely random, a sexual assault by someone else,

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Speaker 2: how things worked in Northwest Arkansas, I want you to

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Speaker 2: keep in mind something that I've said before, which is

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Speaker 2: we talk about six degrees of separation, but I think

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Speaker 2: This case, I believe, really illustrates that.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: I won't say that this is related to Gayle's case,

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Speaker 1: And again, I want to take a much.

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Speaker 2: Closer look at this alleged drug mob that was working

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Speaker 2: A lot of the drug deals were made by biker gangs.

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Speaker 2: The private and investigator Marty, who told me about Gail's case,

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Speaker 2: in the case of Lee and Karen Dixon's murders, Dennis Flowers.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, I've been talking to your husband for a while.

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Speaker 3: I wondered if you could just tell people sort of

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Speaker 3: how you and he got involved on this case. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's a strange situation.

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Speaker 3: He's always had a passion for cold cases and you know,

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Speaker 3: watching unsolved mysteries and all those shows that are on TV.

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Speaker 3: And finally I told him when we were dating, I said,

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Speaker 3: you know, I've lived this, and he I had. At

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Speaker 3: because it's something really Catherine that you know, I've always

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Speaker 3: And part of it was fear, you know, at one

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Speaker 3: And you know, they think I knew more than what

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Speaker 3: I know he is I know he didn't do it.

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Speaker 3: I know he was framed. I know he was a setup.

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Speaker 3: And he said, well, do you mind if I look

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Speaker 2: This case has been called for years, but in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 2: the reporter Ashley Keats Nolan, who by the way, has

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Speaker 2: helped us out in the past a lot on Helen Gone,

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Speaker 2: that he was not fond of the guy. She eventually

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Speaker 2: Lee Dixon was this nerdy, somewhat shy guy. He ultimately

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Speaker 2: He married Karen in nineteen seventy two. After Karen and

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Speaker 2: known Lee since the early eighties. According to early reports,

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Speaker 2: police were focused in on Dennis Flowers for a few reasons,

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Speaker 2: first because he had been seen with Lee shortly before

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Speaker 2: They were both addicted to drugs, especially pharmaceutical grade cocaine.

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Speaker 2: According to the Southern Fried True crime podcast, who did

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Speaker 2: But his life seemed to kind of turn around when

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Speaker 1: He got a job.

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Speaker 2: Dennis got a tattoo to mark their anniversary in nineteen

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Speaker 2: seventy seven. Then Dennis's life took a dark turn. In

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Speaker 3: My parents are actually divorced. When I was seven years old,

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Speaker 2: But their plan hit some snacks. Linda was supposed to

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Speaker 3: So that's kind of how we ended it. So, I mean,

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Speaker 3: we had plans for the next day, So there's no

434
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Speaker 3: signals for me that anything was, you know, anything but

435
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Speaker 3: normal in the time of the death. I mean, he

436
00:25:47,485 --> 00:25:51,885
Speaker 3: tucked me in at midnight. So when I was interviewed

437
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Speaker 3: by the detective, you know, after the murders, you know,

438
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Speaker 3: I could account for his whereabouts because he was with

439
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Speaker 3: me and my brother at the time, you know, as

440
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Speaker 3: of midnight. Now clearly what happened after that, you know,

441
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Speaker 3: I don't know all the detailed, but I could tell

442
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Speaker 3: you that he chucked me in at midnight and that

443
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Speaker 3: murders were supposed to have happened, you know before then

444
00:26:15,565 --> 00:26:16,885
Speaker 3: or you know right around then.

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Speaker 1: What's the last thing you remember?

446
00:26:22,165 --> 00:26:23,245
Speaker 2: Just him tucking you in?

447
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean, like like I said, we made

448
00:26:28,245 --> 00:26:30,925
Speaker 3: plans for the next day. We had a full schedule

449
00:26:30,965 --> 00:26:33,805
Speaker 3: planned and you know he told me that he left

450
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Speaker 3: me and gave me a kiss and shut the door.

451
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Speaker 3: That was it.

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Speaker 2: Police were trying to piece together what had happened. In

453
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Speaker 2: the early morning hours of March twenty second. At around

454
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Speaker 2: four am, police had gotten a call from a chicken

455
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Speaker 2: farmer near Fayetteville. His name was Orrin Tisdale. Oren said

456
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Speaker 2: someone had broken into their family home. The man had

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Speaker 2: a gun, and Oran and his wife said that this

458
00:27:01,205 --> 00:27:04,045
Speaker 2: man had a syringe sticking out of his arm. They

459
00:27:04,045 --> 00:27:06,045
Speaker 2: said that he went out to his car, a white

460
00:27:06,085 --> 00:27:09,965
Speaker 2: Ford Tempo, but when the man tried to get away,

461
00:27:10,005 --> 00:27:12,365
Speaker 2: they said the man's car stalled and that he had

462
00:27:12,405 --> 00:27:16,445
Speaker 2: started walking after that and then vanished. Police quickly determined

463
00:27:16,485 --> 00:27:19,845
Speaker 2: that this man had been Dennis Flowers. Police went to

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Speaker 2: the Tisdale farm. They found the white car that belonged

465
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Speaker 2: to Lee and Karen Dixon.

466
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Speaker 1: There.

467
00:27:26,165 --> 00:27:28,765
Speaker 2: It was stalled and there was a forty four magnum

468
00:27:28,805 --> 00:27:32,365
Speaker 2: pistol inside the vehicle. They never confirmed if this was

469
00:27:32,405 --> 00:27:35,725
Speaker 2: the murder weapon, but after Dennis left the Tisdale home,

470
00:27:36,045 --> 00:27:39,365
Speaker 2: he disappeared and police launched a massive man hunt for him.

471
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Speaker 1: Police got another.

472
00:27:42,045 --> 00:27:45,645
Speaker 2: Tip from one of Dennis's longtime associates, the attorney named

473
00:27:45,725 --> 00:27:50,005
Speaker 2: Lamar Pettis, who we mentioned at the top of the episode. Now,

474
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Speaker 2: what exactly went down in this phone call between Lamar

475
00:27:53,045 --> 00:27:56,805
Speaker 2: and Dennis Flowers is a story that has changed over

476
00:27:56,805 --> 00:27:59,045
Speaker 2: the years, so we're gonna look at this in depth.

477
00:28:01,765 --> 00:28:06,085
Speaker 2: At the time, Lamar told police that Dinni had called

478
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Speaker 2: him at around four thirteen am that morning. He said

479
00:28:09,685 --> 00:28:12,725
Speaker 2: Dennis told him that he had killed two people and

480
00:28:12,885 --> 00:28:16,805
Speaker 2: had another two people hostage. Lamar told police that he

481
00:28:16,965 --> 00:28:20,405
Speaker 2: urged Dennis not to hurt the hostages, to leave them alone,

482
00:28:20,525 --> 00:28:24,005
Speaker 2: and to walk away. Police based a huge part of

483
00:28:24,045 --> 00:28:28,285
Speaker 2: their investigation on this information from Lamar. In fact, this

484
00:28:28,485 --> 00:28:30,845
Speaker 2: was a big part of the reason why Dennis became

485
00:28:30,885 --> 00:28:34,805
Speaker 2: their main and really their only suspect. One thing that's

486
00:28:34,845 --> 00:28:37,605
Speaker 2: a little bit strange, and the Southern Fried True Crime

487
00:28:37,645 --> 00:28:40,205
Speaker 2: podcast calls us out as well, is that there was

488
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Speaker 2: a delay because this phone call happened at four thirteen

489
00:28:43,685 --> 00:28:46,805
Speaker 2: am between Dennis and Lamar, Yet police did not come

490
00:28:46,845 --> 00:28:50,725
Speaker 2: to the Dixon home until around six thirty am. Lamar

491
00:28:50,885 --> 00:28:54,085
Speaker 2: told police that after he hung up with Dennis, he

492
00:28:54,205 --> 00:28:59,885
Speaker 2: started researching what his obligations were under attorney client privilege,

493
00:29:00,485 --> 00:29:03,245
Speaker 2: and only after some delay and some research did he

494
00:29:03,325 --> 00:29:06,045
Speaker 2: decide to make some phone calls. I've I find this

495
00:29:06,885 --> 00:29:10,885
Speaker 2: really unbelievable because I understand that there's such a thing

496
00:29:10,885 --> 00:29:13,445
Speaker 2: as attorney client privilege, and that this was his friend

497
00:29:13,925 --> 00:29:17,805
Speaker 2: and his tenant. But Dennis had allegedly confessed to killing

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00:29:17,845 --> 00:29:20,845
Speaker 2: two people, and also Lamar knew that there were potential

499
00:29:20,885 --> 00:29:24,285
Speaker 2: hostages there in danger, and I cannot imagine him not

500
00:29:24,365 --> 00:29:30,125
Speaker 2: calling the police right away. But Dennis's family did not

501
00:29:30,365 --> 00:29:32,765
Speaker 2: believe that he would have been capable of something like this.

502
00:29:33,285 --> 00:29:35,445
Speaker 2: They just did not believe he would be capable of

503
00:29:35,525 --> 00:29:39,805
Speaker 2: viciously murdering not just his friend Lee, but Lee's heavily

504
00:29:39,885 --> 00:29:44,085
Speaker 2: pregnant wife. Police charged Dennis Flowers with the murders of

505
00:29:44,165 --> 00:29:48,005
Speaker 2: Lee and Karen Dixon. They launched a man hunt, and

506
00:29:48,085 --> 00:29:51,325
Speaker 2: the search for Dennis Flowers went on for another ten days.

507
00:29:52,205 --> 00:29:56,525
Speaker 2: Finally they found him, but they couldn't get any information.

508
00:29:56,125 --> 00:29:57,085
Speaker 1: Out of him.

509
00:29:57,725 --> 00:30:00,925
Speaker 2: Dennis Flowers was found floating face down in a pond

510
00:30:01,405 --> 00:30:03,925
Speaker 2: just one hundred yards away from the Tisdale farm.

511
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Speaker 1: He was found where a.

512
00:30:05,765 --> 00:30:08,205
Speaker 2: Red and blue plaid shirt with a white pullover shirt,

513
00:30:08,685 --> 00:30:12,245
Speaker 2: corduroy pants, and cowboy boots. He had three hundred and

514
00:30:12,285 --> 00:30:14,805
Speaker 2: fifty one dollars and some change in his back pockets,

515
00:30:15,165 --> 00:30:18,485
Speaker 2: as well as two cigarette lighters and a spoon. The

516
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Speaker 2: medical examiner, doctor Fawmi Malik, ruled that Dennis had died

517
00:30:22,445 --> 00:30:26,085
Speaker 2: by drowning in less than three feet of water. The

518
00:30:26,125 --> 00:30:30,565
Speaker 2: cause of death was listed as drowning associated with cocaine toxicity.

519
00:30:31,325 --> 00:30:39,845
Speaker 2: The manner of death was suicide. After Dennis Flower's body

520
00:30:39,925 --> 00:30:43,565
Speaker 2: was found, the medical examiner, doctor Fowmi Malik, determined that

521
00:30:43,605 --> 00:30:45,965
Speaker 2: he had died by suicide as a result of drowning

522
00:30:46,005 --> 00:30:49,765
Speaker 2: in less than three feet of water. We mentioned doctor Malik,

523
00:30:50,165 --> 00:30:53,245
Speaker 2: who is notorious in the state of Arkansas for his

524
00:30:53,485 --> 00:30:57,165
Speaker 2: mini botched autopsies back in the day. So often I

525
00:30:57,245 --> 00:30:59,165
Speaker 2: sometimes feel like we need to do a Hell and

526
00:30:59,205 --> 00:31:02,365
Speaker 2: Gone very Special episode just to cover all of his cases.

527
00:31:03,205 --> 00:31:05,685
Speaker 2: Needless to say, back in the day, he was known

528
00:31:05,765 --> 00:31:09,565
Speaker 2: for tailoring his forensic conclusions on what law enforcement said

529
00:31:09,565 --> 00:31:13,205
Speaker 2: they wanted, and many people believed that this case was

530
00:31:13,285 --> 00:31:16,925
Speaker 2: no exception. Some people wondered why it took so long

531
00:31:17,005 --> 00:31:19,005
Speaker 2: to find the bodies that were so close to the

532
00:31:19,045 --> 00:31:23,085
Speaker 2: potential last place where Dennis Flowers was seen. But honestly,

533
00:31:23,085 --> 00:31:26,125
Speaker 2: as an investigator, that's not really the part that I

534
00:31:26,205 --> 00:31:30,485
Speaker 2: find strange, because sadly, I've seen many other cases where

535
00:31:30,605 --> 00:31:35,685
Speaker 2: unfortunately police failed to find bodies that were nearby. I'm

536
00:31:35,685 --> 00:31:38,965
Speaker 2: thinking of Ebbie Stepek's case. Ebbie's body was found in

537
00:31:39,085 --> 00:31:42,165
Speaker 2: drain pipe just a few feet from her abandoned car

538
00:31:42,285 --> 00:31:45,525
Speaker 2: in a West Little Rock park, almost three years after

539
00:31:45,565 --> 00:31:50,685
Speaker 2: she went missing. And sometimes many times bodies do sync

540
00:31:50,725 --> 00:31:53,445
Speaker 2: to the bottom of bodies of water and then float

541
00:31:53,525 --> 00:31:55,805
Speaker 2: up a few days later as gases are released.

542
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Speaker 1: But even though the.

543
00:31:58,405 --> 00:32:02,885
Speaker 2: Autopsy mentioned skin slippage, I have seen the autopsy report,

544
00:32:02,925 --> 00:32:06,325
Speaker 2: and I've seen photos of the body, this body appears

545
00:32:06,365 --> 00:32:09,765
Speaker 2: to have no distortion or bloating that one would expect

546
00:32:09,885 --> 00:32:13,285
Speaker 2: if Dennis's body had been in the water for ten days.

547
00:32:13,965 --> 00:32:17,085
Speaker 2: Tommy Bryant told k r K that one of the

548
00:32:17,165 --> 00:32:19,765
Speaker 2: law enforcement officers who had been on the scene made

549
00:32:19,805 --> 00:32:23,445
Speaker 2: a comment and said something like he looked like he'd

550
00:32:23,485 --> 00:32:25,925
Speaker 2: been in the water for ten hours, not ten days.

551
00:32:28,445 --> 00:32:31,565
Speaker 2: According to the autopsy, Dennis had needle marks in his

552
00:32:31,685 --> 00:32:34,885
Speaker 2: arms as well as crystals in his lungs, and this

553
00:32:35,165 --> 00:32:39,805
Speaker 2: was indicative of long term drug use. Of injecting drugs,

554
00:32:39,845 --> 00:32:43,165
Speaker 2: Dennis's blood tested negative for alcohol and for other drugs.

555
00:32:43,645 --> 00:32:46,685
Speaker 2: Dennis had over ten times a fatal dose of cocaine

556
00:32:46,725 --> 00:32:50,525
Speaker 2: in his blood, but Dennis had a massive amount of

557
00:32:50,525 --> 00:32:54,525
Speaker 2: cocaine in his stomach according to the autopsy report, over

558
00:32:54,605 --> 00:32:58,565
Speaker 2: twenty ounces, and he also had a lot of water

559
00:32:58,645 --> 00:32:59,565
Speaker 2: in his lungs.

560
00:33:00,245 --> 00:33:01,725
Speaker 1: The autopsy report.

561
00:33:01,405 --> 00:33:06,845
Speaker 2: Noted something called emphysema aquasum, which means that the lungs

562
00:33:06,925 --> 00:33:10,405
Speaker 2: were very heavy and very spongy. According to some literature

563
00:33:10,485 --> 00:33:13,565
Speaker 2: that I was reading on drowning deaks, this often happens

564
00:33:13,645 --> 00:33:17,845
Speaker 2: when someone is conscious and struggling to live. They're fighting

565
00:33:17,885 --> 00:33:20,085
Speaker 2: for their life and so they end up fighting to

566
00:33:20,165 --> 00:33:24,125
Speaker 2: breathe and ingesting a lot of water. This seems like

567
00:33:24,205 --> 00:33:27,565
Speaker 2: a horrific way to die, and this led a lot

568
00:33:27,605 --> 00:33:31,325
Speaker 2: of people to believe that Dennis did not kill himself voluntarily,

569
00:33:31,645 --> 00:33:34,325
Speaker 2: that someone had forced him to take those drugs to

570
00:33:34,405 --> 00:33:37,165
Speaker 2: od and then to make sure that he drowned in

571
00:33:37,165 --> 00:33:41,885
Speaker 2: that pond. They also wondered if he had really been

572
00:33:41,885 --> 00:33:45,045
Speaker 2: out there for ten days, because there were reports that

573
00:33:45,085 --> 00:33:49,125
Speaker 2: this area had already been searched. Rumors started to circulate

574
00:33:49,765 --> 00:33:53,525
Speaker 2: that people in the drug trade, potentially bikers, had held

575
00:33:53,605 --> 00:33:56,605
Speaker 2: him hostage for several days and then finally drowned him

576
00:33:56,645 --> 00:34:01,285
Speaker 2: in the pond. But there were elements of physical evidence that,

577
00:34:01,365 --> 00:34:04,245
Speaker 2: at least on the surface, appeared to match Lamar and

578
00:34:04,285 --> 00:34:07,285
Speaker 2: the Tisdale stories. The Tisdale's saying he showed up at

579
00:34:07,285 --> 00:34:11,045
Speaker 2: the house, the fact that Dennis was with Lee that night,

580
00:34:11,565 --> 00:34:14,365
Speaker 2: and the things that Dennis had said in front of

581
00:34:14,405 --> 00:34:17,605
Speaker 2: the Tisdale's to his attorney on the phone about two

582
00:34:17,685 --> 00:34:21,005
Speaker 2: people being dead, one of them working at consumer pharmacy.

583
00:34:21,605 --> 00:34:24,565
Speaker 2: The stuff that he said did lead police to believe

584
00:34:24,685 --> 00:34:28,285
Speaker 2: that he had been the killer. It's definitely possible, in

585
00:34:28,325 --> 00:34:31,685
Speaker 2: fact almost certain, that Dennis was there when Lee and

586
00:34:31,765 --> 00:34:35,645
Speaker 2: Karen were murdered, but Dennis's family have serious doubts about

587
00:34:35,645 --> 00:34:39,285
Speaker 2: whether Dennis was the sole person responsible. They wonder whether

588
00:34:39,445 --> 00:34:42,725
Speaker 2: he was forced into something. They also don't believe that

589
00:34:42,805 --> 00:34:45,765
Speaker 2: he drowned in under three feet of water. In a

590
00:34:45,765 --> 00:34:48,245
Speaker 2: lot of online forums, a lot of people are wondering

591
00:34:48,285 --> 00:34:51,125
Speaker 2: if the manner of death suicide should be changed to

592
00:34:51,165 --> 00:34:55,845
Speaker 2: our canicide. There was another podcast called Coroner Talk. They

593
00:34:55,845 --> 00:34:58,365
Speaker 2: did an interview with the coroner in this case, and

594
00:34:58,805 --> 00:35:01,045
Speaker 2: they also talked to some experts and seemed to come

595
00:35:01,085 --> 00:35:04,125
Speaker 2: to the same conclusion. They don't believe that the evidence

596
00:35:04,125 --> 00:35:06,245
Speaker 2: supports the fact that the body was out in the

597
00:35:06,285 --> 00:35:10,445
Speaker 2: water that long. The Coroner Talk podcast is very interesting.

598
00:35:10,445 --> 00:35:12,645
Speaker 2: We're going to put the link in this episode, and

599
00:35:12,765 --> 00:35:15,405
Speaker 2: if you're curious about more of the forensics, I highly

600
00:35:15,405 --> 00:35:17,485
Speaker 2: suggest that you check it out.

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Speaker 1: There were other pieces of evidence that didn't seem to

602
00:35:21,245 --> 00:35:21,725
Speaker 1: make sense.

603
00:35:21,805 --> 00:35:24,645
Speaker 2: First, there were the things that were missing, including a

604
00:35:24,645 --> 00:35:28,165
Speaker 2: gold watch that Dennis always wore, and then there were

605
00:35:28,205 --> 00:35:33,045
Speaker 2: the things that were in plane sight. Dennis's wallet was

606
00:35:33,125 --> 00:35:37,205
Speaker 2: found near Lee and Karen's bodies in that house, but

607
00:35:37,325 --> 00:35:40,925
Speaker 2: his family considers this the ultimate sign of a stage

608
00:35:41,005 --> 00:35:44,965
Speaker 2: murder scene. They wonder could Dennis have really been dumb

609
00:35:45,045 --> 00:35:47,445
Speaker 2: or high enough to leave that wallet out in plain sight,

610
00:35:48,245 --> 00:35:49,285
Speaker 2: or could someone have.

611
00:35:49,325 --> 00:35:50,045
Speaker 1: Planted it there.

612
00:35:50,885 --> 00:35:54,365
Speaker 2: There were reportedly thirty two different fingerprints taken from the

613
00:35:54,365 --> 00:35:58,445
Speaker 2: Dixon home. None of them were a match to Dennis flowers.

614
00:35:59,085 --> 00:36:02,285
Speaker 2: There was only one single print that was a match

615
00:36:02,325 --> 00:36:05,405
Speaker 2: to Dennis, and it was found on a full seven

616
00:36:05,645 --> 00:36:09,725
Speaker 2: up can, So there was one single perfect fingerprint.

617
00:36:10,405 --> 00:36:14,565
Speaker 1: The soda can was full.

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00:36:14,725 --> 00:36:17,205
Speaker 2: We come back to what Tommy Bryant said to KRK

619
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Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen, because after he explained that one of

620
00:36:21,645 --> 00:36:24,205
Speaker 2: the officers said that man hasn't been in the pond

621
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Speaker 2: for ten hours, let alone ten days. Apparently, according to Tommy,

622
00:36:28,685 --> 00:36:32,645
Speaker 2: the officer also made another comment. He said, quote someone

623
00:36:32,725 --> 00:36:34,125
Speaker 2: paid a lot of money for that hit.

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00:36:34,445 --> 00:36:35,605
Speaker 1: End quote.

625
00:36:36,045 --> 00:36:40,005
Speaker 2: KRK also talked to the attorney Lamar Pettis in twenty sixteen,

626
00:36:40,405 --> 00:36:44,605
Speaker 2: and it's interesting because Lamar told Kark a different story

627
00:36:44,725 --> 00:36:47,325
Speaker 2: than the one that can be found in the transcripts

628
00:36:47,365 --> 00:36:52,045
Speaker 2: in the case file. He told Kark in twenty sixteen

629
00:36:52,205 --> 00:36:54,525
Speaker 2: that Dennis had made a comment telling him that two

630
00:36:54,645 --> 00:36:57,845
Speaker 2: people were killed and that he would never hurt a child.

631
00:36:58,365 --> 00:37:01,925
Speaker 2: So when Lamar talked to KRK, he said Dennis did

632
00:37:01,965 --> 00:37:05,285
Speaker 2: not confess to the two murders. And as we all know,

633
00:37:05,845 --> 00:37:09,165
Speaker 2: saying two people were killed is completely different than saying

634
00:37:09,205 --> 00:37:13,365
Speaker 2: he killed two people. Lamar told the news station he

635
00:37:13,405 --> 00:37:15,925
Speaker 2: thinks Dennis got mixed up with a bad crowd, but

636
00:37:16,005 --> 00:37:20,925
Speaker 2: he does not believe he's capable of murder. I took

637
00:37:20,965 --> 00:37:22,925
Speaker 2: another look back at the case file, the part that's

638
00:37:22,965 --> 00:37:26,405
Speaker 2: been made public. There's a transcript of Lamar's interview with

639
00:37:26,445 --> 00:37:30,485
Speaker 2: the investigator Doug Fogley. There's no audio of that transcript,

640
00:37:30,885 --> 00:37:33,085
Speaker 2: but we have to work with what we have. In

641
00:37:33,125 --> 00:37:37,445
Speaker 2: the transcript, Lamar is quoted is saying that Dennis did

642
00:37:37,485 --> 00:37:41,085
Speaker 2: say he killed two people, and Dennis said he had

643
00:37:41,085 --> 00:37:42,285
Speaker 2: two hostages there that.

644
00:37:42,285 --> 00:37:43,285
Speaker 1: He didn't plan to hurt.

645
00:37:44,765 --> 00:37:47,845
Speaker 2: Lamar told police that at that time, Dennis was also

646
00:37:47,925 --> 00:37:51,245
Speaker 2: concerned about his wife, Linda, getting money for her and

647
00:37:51,285 --> 00:37:54,845
Speaker 2: the kids, and also for his first wife. He apparently

648
00:37:54,885 --> 00:37:57,045
Speaker 2: said that he loved her and that he had regrets,

649
00:37:57,725 --> 00:38:01,965
Speaker 2: and then he said something else. According to Lamar, Dennis

650
00:38:02,005 --> 00:38:05,085
Speaker 2: Flowers said that he never wanted to kill anyone, but

651
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Speaker 2: that quote, someone was trying to blackmail me.

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Speaker 1: End quote.

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Speaker 2: The investigator Doug Fogley asked Lamar to clarify this. Lamar

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Speaker 2: said again, Dennis told him someone was trying to blackmail me.

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Speaker 2: Lamar said that after he hung up, and this was

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Speaker 2: around four fifteen am, he told his wife Dennis said

657
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Speaker 2: he just killed two people. He said he was going

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Speaker 2: to call around and see what he could reveal due

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Speaker 2: to attorney client privileges. Then Lamar called his law partner

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Speaker 2: and during that conversation, he said Dennis had told him, quote,

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Speaker 2: I've killed two people.

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Speaker 1: They were blackmailing me. End quote. So which is it?

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Speaker 2: Did Dennis say that he killed two people or that

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Speaker 2: two people were killed? Was that something that Lamar thought

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Speaker 2: he heard? And then he sort of attributed to Dennis

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Speaker 2: when he made the next phone call. Figuring out this

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Speaker 2: phone tree is such an important part of figuring out

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Speaker 2: this case. And also what did he mean about that

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Speaker 2: blackmail when he said that? Was he referring to Lee

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Speaker 2: and Karen or he referring to someone else, maybe someone

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Speaker 2: who forced Dennis to leave his wallet there for some reason.

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Speaker 2: Tommy Bryant has made it clear that he believes that

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Speaker 2: Dennis Flowers did not act alone. He said to KRK,

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Speaker 2: quote the idea that a man would brutally murder two people,

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Speaker 2: tie one of them up, and yet was dumb enough

676
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Speaker 2: to leave a thumb print on a seven up can.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how you pick up a can with

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Speaker 2: your thumb with no other fingerprints. Tommy called the murders,

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Speaker 2: cold calculated, and point blank. He said he believes law

680
00:39:38,365 --> 00:39:41,645
Speaker 2: enforcement wanted to close this case fast, so that's why

681
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Speaker 2: after Dennis's body was found, police were very quick to

682
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Speaker 2: rule this suicide and put an end to what they

683
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Speaker 2: believe was a very ugly affair in their town.

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Speaker 1: He believes that for political.

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00:39:53,005 --> 00:39:56,085
Speaker 2: Reasons, the authorities wanted to get this case off the

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Speaker 2: front pages of the newspaper. Tommy said that after he

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Speaker 2: asked for a copy of the case file, he was

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Speaker 2: shocked at the lack of evidence he said police had.

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Speaker 2: He said the thing that struck him most was that

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Speaker 2: the one fingerprint they had was the single one on

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Speaker 2: the seven up can.

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Speaker 1: He said.

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Speaker 2: When he asked police about the evidence and how they

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Speaker 2: knew that they had the right guy, he claims police

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Speaker 2: told him, quote, he left his billfold there so we'd

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Speaker 2: find it so we'd know it was him, end quote.

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Speaker 2: And Tommy has made clear he does not believe that

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Speaker 2: that is a satisfactory conclusion.

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Speaker 1: He said he doesn't buy that theory.

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Speaker 2: Dennis's family also does not believe that Dennis, after leaving

701
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Speaker 2: the Tisdale home, took a massive amount of cocaine on

702
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Speaker 2: his own drowned himself in a pond and floated there

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Speaker 2: for ten days. I'm going to circle back for a

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Speaker 2: second to Gail Vaut's case because some people who've contacted

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Speaker 2: me have pointed out that some of the names that

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Speaker 2: have come up as being involved in the drug trade

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Speaker 2: that Gail's boyfriend was allegedly involved in, came up in

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Speaker 2: this double homicide. Now, after this case, we can clearly

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Speaker 2: see that the people who sold drugs in Fayettebule did

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Speaker 2: seem to be able to make things happen, to make

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Speaker 2: people pay, and to make them disappear. I believe that

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Speaker 2: there is a substantial body of evidence that does point

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Speaker 2: to the fact that Dennis Flowers may not have acted alone.

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Speaker 2: There are a lot of questions and a lot of

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Speaker 2: red flags in these murders, But when it comes to

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Speaker 2: Gail Vought, I still don't think, at least according to

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Speaker 2: what we've seen and found so far, that there is

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Speaker 2: any evidence that the drug trade was involved in the

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Speaker 2: same way in Gail's case. Again, I believe that there

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Speaker 2: are compelling reasons why other people may have been involved

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Speaker 2: in Dennis Flower's death.

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Speaker 1: There were the heavy.

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Speaker 2: Lungs, the signs of struggle, the fact that the body

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Speaker 2: showed very few signs of being out in the elements

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Speaker 2: after ten days. There was also the circumstantial evidence, the

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Speaker 2: fact that we know that Lee was desperate, that he,

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Speaker 2: with the help of dentists, had robbed his own workplace,

728
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Speaker 2: and that to avoid jail time, he may have started

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Speaker 2: asking questions about how to become an informant. And even

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Speaker 2: if he didn't, the people that he was running drugs

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Speaker 2: for may have been afraid that he would start asking

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Speaker 2: those questions. There are compelling reasons why people high up

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Speaker 2: in what they call the Ozark drug mafia could have

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Speaker 2: wanted Lee and Dennis Flowers dead. Another commenter on a

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Speaker 2: story about this case actually at the bottom of the

736
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Speaker 2: Coroner Talk podcast episode says that it's from a former

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Speaker 2: police officer, and this person claims to have worked in

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Speaker 2: the area in Arkansas when Lee and Karen were murdered

739
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Speaker 2: back in the day. He said, back then he believed

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Speaker 2: some of his colleagues thought that police suffered from tunnel vision.

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Speaker 2: When it came to this case, he said he had

742
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Speaker 2: his own theory, which actually I find somewhat plausible, so

743
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Speaker 2: I'm going to repeat it. This person said that he

744
00:42:52,085 --> 00:42:56,165
Speaker 2: always believed that motorcycle gang members from Oklahoma City were

745
00:42:56,165 --> 00:42:59,085
Speaker 2: the ones who really killed Lee and Karen Dixon. He

746
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Speaker 2: said he believed they forced Dennis Flowers to ring the

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Speaker 2: doorbell that night at the Dixon house because Ifnis was there,

748
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Speaker 2: these guys knew Lee and Karen would answer the door.

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Speaker 2: Then this person believes they got Dennis to leave his

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Speaker 2: wallet there as sort of collateral. They tied Karen to

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Speaker 2: a chair and forced Dennis to go with them as

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Speaker 2: a hostage.

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Speaker 1: What happened after that is unclear.

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Speaker 2: Maybe Dennis was supposed to come back for Lee and Karen,

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Speaker 2: maybe he couldn't, or maybe he got scared and ran.

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Speaker 1: There are other possibilities too.

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Speaker 2: It is possible that with all this going on, that

758
00:43:32,685 --> 00:43:35,285
Speaker 2: Dennis did leave his wallet there in a panic, but

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00:43:35,925 --> 00:43:39,285
Speaker 2: the timing still doesn't make sense. I believe it's very possible,

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Speaker 2: based on the condition of the body, that Dennis was

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Speaker 2: kept hostage for several days by someone else.

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Speaker 3: What do you think he meant by he was being blackmailed? Well,

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Speaker 3: you can take it probably several different ways. But you know,

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Speaker 3: I think that him and Lee were involved in some

765
00:43:59,565 --> 00:44:04,525
Speaker 3: shady business as far as the cocaine and the pharmacy

766
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Speaker 3: came up short, and I don't know if it's money

767
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Speaker 3: that he owed my dad owed somebody some money, or

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Speaker 3: that's I mean, that's speculation on my part. I don't

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Speaker 3: know what the black male comes down to. And I

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Speaker 3: don't even doubt you know that they could have been

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Speaker 3: threatening to us, you know, as his children being there.

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't know. I don't know what the

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Speaker 3: black mail per se is. It's aft speculation and what

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00:44:32,485 --> 00:44:34,845
Speaker 3: we you know, we'll never know exactly what happened, and

775
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Speaker 3: I've come to terms with that. I would like to

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Speaker 3: I would like to hope there's still people alive that

777
00:44:40,605 --> 00:44:44,245
Speaker 3: do know exactly what happened, But you know, I've come

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Speaker 3: to terms with I may never know, other than I

779
00:44:47,325 --> 00:44:50,325
Speaker 3: know that, you know my dad, he would have never

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Speaker 3: killed anyone, let alone a pregnant woman. And you know,

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Speaker 3: his fingerprints were not on the tape that balance over,

782
00:45:00,005 --> 00:45:03,325
Speaker 3: you know. I mean, so that in itself is like

783
00:45:04,125 --> 00:45:07,525
Speaker 3: you know, you scratch your head, well, there's fingerprints on it,

784
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Speaker 3: but they're not his. So why can't we run those

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Speaker 3: friends and find out who they belonged to.

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Speaker 2: After KRK did their report, they reported that the State

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Speaker 2: Crime lab did find several other sets of fingerprints at

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Speaker 2: that crime scene. They were tested in the nineteen eighties,

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Speaker 2: but there were no matches. Then KRK reported that in

790
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Speaker 2: twenty fifteen, Fayetteville police ran the Old Prince again, but

791
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Speaker 2: apparently there were no matches found. But all of these families, Lee's, Karen's,

792
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Speaker 2: and Dennis's believed that somewhere out there, someone knows something

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00:45:43,445 --> 00:45:46,725
Speaker 2: about an entire family being murdered in one night, a

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00:45:46,805 --> 00:45:51,525
Speaker 2: little boy left without parents, and another man's children wondering

795
00:45:51,645 --> 00:45:54,485
Speaker 2: what really happened to their dad out in that pond.

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Speaker 3: You know, he was the life of the party as

797
00:45:59,285 --> 00:46:01,925
Speaker 3: far as if you knew him, you loved him. He

798
00:46:02,085 --> 00:46:05,365
Speaker 3: made you feel special, he made you feel listened to.

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Speaker 3: You know, he could make you smile instantly. He was

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00:46:10,445 --> 00:46:13,765
Speaker 3: just a great guy. And I think he was definitely

801
00:46:13,805 --> 00:46:17,525
Speaker 3: a people person, and I think that's a great quality.

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00:46:17,645 --> 00:46:21,005
Speaker 3: And also I think for him it was his demise.

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Speaker 2: At the same time, Tommy told k r KAY that

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Speaker 2: his sister Karen's unborn baby was a girl. He said

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Speaker 2: that every time he visits those three graves, he hopes

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Speaker 2: that someone might come forward someday. I'm Catherine Townsend This

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