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Speaker 1: Welcome bird Gang on today's show. What a big deal?

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Speaker 1: It was the first big domino to fall in the offseason,

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Speaker 1: the non quarterback variety that is, Yes, we're talking about

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Speaker 1: the JJ Watt signing. Didn't expect it yet here we

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Speaker 1: are and here he is. We dive into the move

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Speaker 1: and what it's going to mean on and off the

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Speaker 1: field to have JJ Watt in uniform this season. It's

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two and it starts now. Welcome to Cardinals

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Speaker 1: Cover two with Craig Grigolu and Mike Jarecki. Cardinals Cover

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Speaker 1: two is presented by Hun Day, proud partner of the

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Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts. Visit asy Cardinals

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Speaker 1: dot com, Slash Podcasts. Murray rolls to the right, throws

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Speaker 1: near sight of Fritz bart Pt. He's into the ends

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Speaker 1: off for the touchdown. Here's Craig Griolou and Mike Jarecki

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Speaker 1: twice now back to back season GM Steve come has

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Speaker 1: pulled the proverbial rabbit out of the hats. First, MJ,

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Speaker 1: it was DeAndre Hopkins, which seemingly came out of nowhere,

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Speaker 1: at least for me. Then J J. Watts a matter

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Speaker 1: of coincidence that both are or were Houston Texans. You think, well,

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Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien, you know, he was there and then he

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Speaker 1: was fired j JJ Watt had a conversation with the

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Speaker 1: family and he asked for his release, so a little

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Speaker 1: bit different. But it was just so much speculation. You know,

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Speaker 1: every teams are looking for, you know, defensive tackles who

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Speaker 1: can rush the pass. There and the fact that he

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Speaker 1: played a ton of snaps last year and he was

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Speaker 1: double team thirty six percent of time. But he broke

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Speaker 1: his own news and it was fascinating because Buffalo they

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Speaker 1: used their first two picks in the draft for pass

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Speaker 1: rushers in Tennessee, you know, they all always had interest.

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Speaker 1: I think the Colts would have interest. And then out

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Speaker 1: of left field he announced it. So it's coincidental or

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Speaker 1: maybe they're both from the Texans, but they both wanted out, yes,

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Speaker 1: and I think that is there's always that team, And

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Speaker 1: you have to be aware of this as a front

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Speaker 1: office because you're always looking, you're always listening, you're always

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Speaker 1: reading for these little hints, and we've seen it certainly

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Speaker 1: around professional sports. Those superstars, if you will their voice,

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Speaker 1: you have to listen. They carry a lot of weight,

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Speaker 1: and it's kind of migrating over to the NFL a

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Speaker 1: little bit more. Now. It's not every player. There has

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Speaker 1: to be a certain cachet, if you will, a certain

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Speaker 1: resume that you have to have if you want to

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Speaker 1: kind of force your way or suggest, Hey, you know what,

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Speaker 1: I'm really not happy here. I would prefer to be elsewhere.

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Speaker 1: It's not gonna work for everyone, But there are players

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Speaker 1: and then there are teams that hey, you know what,

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Speaker 1: raise my hand and if you're looking, maybe there is

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Speaker 1: something here. And it just so happens that the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: have made at work each of the past two seasons. Now,

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Speaker 1: when this JJ Watt news, before he announced where he

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Speaker 1: was going, there were rumblings, well that weren't rumblings. I

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Speaker 1: mean he had been released. And I remember distinctly talking

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Speaker 1: about it here on Cardinals cover two, presented by Hunday,

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Speaker 1: probably partner of the Arizona Cardinals, about the possibility of

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Speaker 1: wat in a Cardinals uniform. Neither of us thought it

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Speaker 1: was going to happen. Chose everyone what we know, by

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Speaker 1: the way, it was episode three ninety six, go back

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Speaker 1: in the archives. Yet we talked about it, and we

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Speaker 1: calling and checking because it never hurts to ask, what's

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Speaker 1: the worst? Oh you're told no, all right, fine, but

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Speaker 1: you never know unless you pick up the phone. And

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals did just that, and there was no rumors.

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Speaker 1: They were never mentioned as one of the teams. And

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Speaker 1: that's made it very interesting for me because you know,

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Speaker 1: there was speculation out there and rumors, and he said, listen,

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Speaker 1: show their fan basement. We're in here. There was zero

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Speaker 1: it down March first, ten am. Yeah, the tweets quote

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Speaker 1: source me. Those words were above a picture of JJ

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Speaker 1: release followed about fifteen minutes later. And I distinctly remember,

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Speaker 1: because again it was a year ago. We're all working

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Speaker 1: well this is official. This is happening. That is and

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Speaker 1: it's like, okay, well we just need to do hard

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Speaker 1: And even going back weeks earlier, the thinking of jj

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Speaker 1: coming to the Cardinals Because those type of players late

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Speaker 1: that changes things. But going into it, it was like, well,

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Speaker 1: remember what JJ Watts said during his introductory press conference.

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Speaker 1: He mentioned he texted Kyler Murray quote, I'm here because

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Speaker 1: spoke volumes of not what we think of Kyler Murray

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Speaker 1: he comes with a lot of respect and you can

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Speaker 1: see he's always working out. So I've been thoroughly impressed

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Speaker 1: with his leadership we know about the physicality, and that's why,

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Speaker 1: a whole night, they have better skill positions, but you

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Speaker 1: Now we need to see it. And I love that

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Speaker 1: That now, all of a sudden, maybe not much as asked,

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Speaker 1: I'm really curious to see how Vance is going to

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Speaker 1: use JJ Watt because you know, to me, he's not

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Speaker 1: going to face the same double teams thirty six percent,

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Speaker 1: only going to make them better, and it cases they're

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Speaker 1: to the quarterback in the fourth quarter, and that's going

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Speaker 1: to happen this year based on the score. So this

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Speaker 1: is a really good upgrade at that position. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you can't mean, I don't know. You can draft a

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Speaker 1: guy and hope he develops, but this is a plug

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Speaker 1: in play guy from day one one. Other notes on

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Speaker 1: Watt and his age. Obviously, Steve Come when JJ Watt

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Speaker 1: was on the market, looked at the film and still

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Speaker 1: felt that JJ Watt offered something. That's why the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: signed him and do a two year track worth over

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Speaker 1: thirty million dollars with twenty three million dollars guaranteed. But

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Speaker 1: Gil Brandt, you like him, MJ as far as what

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Speaker 1: he is all about, what he knows, what he writes,

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Speaker 1: what he says. And for those that aren't familiar, Gil

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Speaker 1: Brandt's Yeah, he works for the NFL Network and NFL

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Speaker 1: dot Com senior analyst. But he is responsible for building

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Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys. And I'm not mistaken. He is in

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Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. Correct correct him and tech Stramp.

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Speaker 1: And he also does a radio on Sirius XM NFL Radio.

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Speaker 1: He has seen more football, he has talked more football

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Speaker 1: than I ever will and his knowledge of the game

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Speaker 1: is tremendous. So whatever he says, his opinion, I think

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Speaker 1: ranks very, very high. You know, he has a lot

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Speaker 1: of connections. And you know, if gil Brand's colin, you

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Speaker 1: know he's probably asking who looks good and all this

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Speaker 1: because he's not. He can't be everywhere. Now they do

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Speaker 1: a ton of interviews on sirious and they allow him

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Speaker 1: to write a column. So I gotta think that somebody's

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Speaker 1: giving him a heads up. Not saying he doesn't on

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Speaker 1: his own, but clearly he must be hearing good things

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Speaker 1: because he was on his list. Last month, gil Brant

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Speaker 1: listed nine players who are guaranteed, in his words, guaranteed

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Speaker 1: to play better, and the first three Cam Newton, Matthew Stafford,

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Speaker 1: Carson Wentz, all quarterbacks and in their second season obviously

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Speaker 1: Cam Newton with the Patriots, Matthew Stafford in a new

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Speaker 1: system with the Rams, and Carson Wentz new system now

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Speaker 1: with the Indianapolis Colts. But he believes that those three

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Speaker 1: players based off twenty twenty will have much better twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty one NFL seasons. Number four on gil Brandt's list

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Speaker 1: Jj Watts, and this is what gil Brandt wrote. It

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Speaker 1: might seem like Watt's career is in steep decline, given

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Speaker 1: that he's logged just nine sacks in twenty four games

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Speaker 1: over the past two seasons, but I'm bullish he'll prove

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Speaker 1: otherwise in twenty twenty one. The former Texans should get

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Speaker 1: a boost himself from joining a front seven featuring defenders

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Speaker 1: like Chandler Jones, Isaiah Simmons, Marcus Golden, and Zaven Collins.

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Speaker 1: Watt maybe thirty two, but let's not forget how his

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Speaker 1: last sixteen game season on a competitive team worked out.

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Speaker 1: In twenty eighteen, Watt racked up sixteen sacks, seven forced fumbles,

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Speaker 1: earned Pro Bowl and First team All Pro honors. So

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Speaker 1: that is JJ Watts on Gil Brandt's list of nine

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Speaker 1: players guaranteed to play better because everyone talks about what

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Speaker 1: last season, Yeah, sixteen games, but you know he only

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Speaker 1: had a handful of sacks. Well, he was asked to

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Speaker 1: do a lot with the Houston Texans and he didn't

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Speaker 1: have much help. He's got a heck of a lot

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Speaker 1: more help with the Cardinals. Yeah. I mean, if you

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Speaker 1: were going against a defense, and I mean they all

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Speaker 1: three layers, they weren't. At the end of the year

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Speaker 1: there he seemed like they were playing practice squad players.

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Speaker 1: And according to ESPN Stats and Info and along with

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Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus, thirty six percent in time double teams.

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Speaker 1: So if he doubled JJ, who else is going to

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Speaker 1: make a play. And that was a situation and that's why,

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Speaker 1: you know, obviously just Sean Watson played well. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he put up numbers in a losing effort, but again,

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Speaker 1: I just don't think he's gonna face those double teams

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Speaker 1: like he did last year. By the way, the rest

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Speaker 1: of the list Ezekiel, Elliott Janick and Gakwu Patrick Peterson

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Speaker 1: showing up on this list at number seven. Then he's

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Speaker 1: got Deontay Johnson and Juju Smith Schuster tied at number eights.

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Speaker 1: But the first three quarterbacks and the first non quarterback

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Speaker 1: is JJ Watt at number four. What's interesting is, you know,

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Speaker 1: not the entire list, but a lot of those guys

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Speaker 1: are on new teams. Yes, and you're hoping that maybe

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Speaker 1: new scenery, new opportunity, fresh start. We've talked about that

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Speaker 1: a nauseum. As far as the number of new faces

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals added after extensive period of time, JJ Watt,

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Speaker 1: AJ Green, Shawn Williams, all those players picking up and

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Speaker 1: going elsewhere for the first time in their career. Yeah, Newton,

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Speaker 1: I mean clearly you know Mac Jones is going to

510
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Speaker 1: be the future. But they played the Buccaneers in Week four.

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Speaker 1: I don't think cam. I don't think they're gonna go

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Speaker 1: with the rookie quarterbacks. So he's gonna get every opportunity,

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Speaker 1: and I think that team will be a lot better.

514
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Speaker 1: They went out and spend one hundred and eighty million.

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Speaker 1: I don't even even think Robert Kraft purchased the franchise

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Speaker 1: for one hundred and eighty million back in the day. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's they spent more money in this offseason than they

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Speaker 1: purchased the franchise anyway. So but again, some of those

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Speaker 1: guys are on new teams. We know that. You know,

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Speaker 1: the Rams Coolly definitely upgrade the quarterback position on paper, definitely.

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Speaker 1: We've seen Matthew Stafford to go against the Cardinals. He

522
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Speaker 1: could sling it. And then you look at some guys

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Speaker 1: like he didn't mention Sam Darnold. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: many wins are gonna have. But obviously you got a

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Speaker 1: guy like Joe Brady and he got some weapons, Christian McCaffrey,

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Speaker 1: and then Carson Wentz. I mean Frank Wright, you know,

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Speaker 1: he was a backup quarterback. He was a really good

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Speaker 1: college quarterback. I think he went to Maryland. I think

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Speaker 1: Boomrisyason went there too, and he's a really good quarterbacks coach,

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Speaker 1: and he was with him in Philadelphia, So you think

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Speaker 1: Carson wentz And they're a team that's knocking on the door.

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Speaker 1: You know, Phil Rivers made some mistakes in that playoff game.

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Speaker 1: Otherwise they have a playoff roster. So I'm curious, even

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Speaker 1: though he didn't make the list, how he'll do again

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Speaker 1: A guy that's on a new team. Well, let's not

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Speaker 1: hope he does too well, especially on Christmas Day at

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Speaker 1: State fam No no, no, no no. And we gotta

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Speaker 1: face Sam Donald, right, yep, yep, yep, yea. Cardinals have

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Speaker 1: to face it the exactly. We're not sweating anything. We're

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Speaker 1: not the Cardinals have to face. So, yeah we are.

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Speaker 1: We are nowhere near the football field by the way

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Speaker 1: zero two three seven nine zero one zero two. Um,

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Speaker 1: this is a JJ Watt podcast. No, we're gonna break

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Speaker 1: everyone else down, but we just gave you some some

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Speaker 1: you know, stuff that's happened since March first, when the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals made the announcement. He obviously broke the news. So

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Speaker 1: but I'm just fascinated what he can do in this

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Speaker 1: in this organization because these guys don't come along very often.

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Speaker 1: It is absolutely true, and he is part of a

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Speaker 1: defensive line room that I think deserves some attention and

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Speaker 1: let's give it to him here on Cardinals Cover two,

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Speaker 1: presented by Hunday Proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we've talked thirty minutes about JJ Watt, and I do

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Speaker 1: think he has earned that. But he is not going

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Speaker 1: to be out there by himself. He's gonna have some others.

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Speaker 1: So he is joining the following players who are back

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Speaker 1: this season, Jordan Phillips, Zach Allen, Lucky Foe two or

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Speaker 1: Shard Lawrence, and Michael Dogby were kind of touched on

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Speaker 1: all of those to a certain extent. Dogby the former

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen draft pick. He has some upside. I just

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Speaker 1: I don't know if time is running out for him,

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Speaker 1: but there's a reason why the Cardinals keep bringing him back.

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Speaker 1: He spent much of last season on the practice squad,

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Speaker 1: but fourteen times he was protected. They did not want

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Speaker 1: to see him leave. And then Foe and Lawrence their

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Speaker 1: first seasons dealt with injuries. Fo two miss three games

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Speaker 1: with an ankle injury. Lawrence was limited to nine games

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Speaker 1: because of a calf injury. Though we've heard a lot

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Speaker 1: about Lawrence from Vance Joseph, and it was coach Joseph

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Speaker 1: pointed out how well Lawrence played weeks seventeen at the Rams.

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Speaker 1: And now I know our colleague KYLEO. Regard doesn't believe

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Speaker 1: in momentum, but I think the Cardinals are hoping that

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Speaker 1: there is a carryl over with Richard Lawrence from week seventeen,

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Speaker 1: that maybe that lights which went on for him and

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Speaker 1: now entering year two, he can be a part of

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Speaker 1: that rotation and maybe a large part of that rotation. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: those guys weren't able to, you know, get on the

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Speaker 1: practice field last year. Everything was zoom and you can

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Speaker 1: just see the difference in their bodies. I think Lucky

590
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Speaker 1: is a guy that you know is going to earn

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Speaker 1: more playing time. And then Rochard Lawrence seems like he

592
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Speaker 1: can play a couple of different positions. He can he

593
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Speaker 1: can get Skinny in the hole and dogby. To me,

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Speaker 1: it's a numbers game, you know, normally they'll keep seven

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Speaker 1: on the roster. I think you'll see a couple on

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Speaker 1: the practice squad just because of injury and so you

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Speaker 1: look at it on paper, I mean, Jordan Phillips, Watt

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Speaker 1: Alan Foe to Richard Lawrence. And we'll have to wait

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Speaker 1: and see what happens with Corey Peters. Doesn't sound like

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Speaker 1: he's gonna be ready until training camp. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if I don't think they've ruled him out. I know

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Speaker 1: that they want to kind of see what they have

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Speaker 1: in or Chard Lawrence and Lucky Foe too. But he's

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Speaker 1: a great locker room guy, great in the community, and

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Speaker 1: he could provide some leadership there, even though you do

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Speaker 1: have J. J. Watt, So I don't know. I thought

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Speaker 1: he was playing well last year before he got hurt,

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Speaker 1: and I was adamant about this team bringing him back,

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Speaker 1: and it hasn't happened as yet. We'll have to wait

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Speaker 1: and see as we get closer to training camp, which hey,

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Speaker 1: you know, we're almost there as we speak here. As

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Speaker 1: far as training camp, and maybe, you know, by the

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Speaker 1: time people listen to this podcast, maybe maybe Corey Peters

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Speaker 1: has latched on to a team. I did see some

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Speaker 1: video footage recently in the offseason showing him working out

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Speaker 1: in the lateral movement in the back pedaling, so he

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00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: is certainly interested in playing and not ending his career

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Speaker 1: like it did a year ago. We'll just have to

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Speaker 1: wait and see. But I do think what you said

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Speaker 1: as far as that leadership and just being that savvy veteran.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you're not as quick, as fast, as strong as

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Speaker 1: the guys you're lining up with, but you have something

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Speaker 1: they don't. You have the experience, you have some tricks

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Speaker 1: maybe that those young pups, if you will, haven't quite

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Speaker 1: learned yet, and you can still be very effective, especially

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Speaker 1: when you're in the middle as that nose tackle, if

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Speaker 1: you will, in trying to be a run stuffer. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it speaks volumes that he was the representator

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Speaker 1: for the Walter Peyton Man of the Year award. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know an Twompathy was that a few years ago.

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Speaker 1: But like I said, he's raising his family here. To me,

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Speaker 1: the decision will becoming. You know, he looks at the

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Speaker 1: where the team is. You know, I don't know what

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Speaker 1: the asking prices. I'm sure that you know, he kind

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Speaker 1: of has an idea, but does he want to move?

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Speaker 1: I mean move for five months. I mean it's tough

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Speaker 1: when you get to this point in your career, but

638
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Speaker 1: he still wants to play. So sometimes you've got to

639
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: make that decision. It's a it's a business and then

640
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: a family decision. But I'm sure he would like to

641
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:54,959
Speaker 1: come back here just because familiarity, the organization respects him

642
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: as vice versa. But we'll just have to wait and see.

643
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: Wish Corey Peter's nothing but the best, and as MJ said,

644
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: we'll just wait and see whether that continues. In an

645
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals uniform, really excited about year two for Jordan

646
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 1: Phillips In a Cardinals uniform. Because here's someone that's got

647
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: the big money deal a year ago. And I think

648
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: there are a number of expectations on Jordan Phillips, but

649
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 1: he played just nine games last season, started the season's

650
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: first eight games, then heard his hamstring returned at the

651
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 1: Giants in Week fourteen, reinjured the hamstring, and end of

652
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,919
Speaker 1: the year on ir So his numbers are not great.

653
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: Two sacks, three quarterback hits to force fumbles, one fumble recovery.

654
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: Someone who was very effective with the Buffalo Bills in

655
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 1: a contract year, and yes he got paid. He earned

656
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: that money. Now it's about making sure you earned that

657
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: money in a Cardinals uniform. And we can say everything

658
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: we want here on Cardinals Cover two presented by Hunday

659
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: probably partner of the Arizona Cardinals. But Jordan Phillips knows

660
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: himself that he needs to not perform better, but just

661
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,399
Speaker 1: be available and then see how you perform once you're

662
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: on the field. I mentioned briefly earlier. I like the

663
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: way he was approaching the drills. Of course they're all

664
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: you know, listening to Brinson Buckner. You know he's a

665
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: guy that can, you know, clearly help some young guys out.

666
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: I think it's more you have to ask him versus

667
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: him trying to correct you. You know, put your armor

668
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: on someone. But it's what have you done for me lately?

669
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: And you know this is gonna be a big year

670
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: for him based on his contract moving forward. I mean,

671
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: you know, Zach Allen, eventually he's probably gonna get an

672
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 1: extension or approach free agency. They feel like between Rashad

673
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 1: and Lucky, they're going to be here for the next

674
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: couple of years. So it's a big year for him

675
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 1: just to stay. It's just it's about staying healthy. He

676
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: looks the parties huge in that jersey and now he's

677
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: going to have more help around them and a healthy

678
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 1: Chandler Jones or Marcus Golden on the outside, and you

679
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: know the fact that they can slide him in and

680
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: maybe times he lines next to JJ Watt, who are

681
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: you gonna double team? So it's what have you done

682
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,439
Speaker 1: for me lately? But I think he knows when they

683
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 1: look at the contract, he's gonna have to perform worthy

684
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: of what they decided to give him. Well, and we've

685
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: seen Phillips perform hasn't been in a Cardinals uniform, but

686
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 1: you know that he has that talent to be very

687
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: very good. It's just been the availability and some of

688
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: that's you just it's part of the game. You can't

689
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: do anything about it, and it's the case maybe a

690
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 1: little bad luck and it's just unfortunate. But to your

691
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: point about now having some help around him, you know

692
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: you're not asked to do as much, and maybe there's

693
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: a little bit more freedom for you as well, because

694
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: there's some attention on a Zach Allen, or there's some

695
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: attention on a JJ Watt or Chandler Jones, and all

696
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: of a sudden, Jordan Phillips does light it up at

697
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: some point this season. You know, hamstrings can affect everyone,

698
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: and if you're a skilled position player, you know sometimes

699
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: you'll run eighty percent and then they tell you to

700
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: open it up and then all of a sudden, you

701
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: get a little burning sensation back of your hammy's. I mean,

702
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: he's a big guy. So the fact that he had

703
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: this hamstring injury that left him on the shelf, I mean,

704
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: it was probably a little bit worse than we probably

705
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: knew because you know, during the week, they're not going

706
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: to tell he's out of that he's not playing, but

707
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 1: obviously when he doesn't practice Wednesday through Friday, you get

708
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: an idea. So that could be Sophia for a guy

709
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: like that, because his explosions everything. You know, he's in

710
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: a three point stanser or a four point stance, or

711
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,479
Speaker 1: he's got one hand in the dirt and he's trying

712
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: to get through there. It all starts with your lower extremities,

713
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: and if your hamstrings aren't up to part, it's hard

714
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,720
Speaker 1: to move around. Your lateral movement wouldn't be the same.

715
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: And he looked very good during OTA's man look healthy

716
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: and that again, you're not going full speed, but you're

717
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: going through all the drills at one hundred percent. And

718
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: I saw nothing to the effect that, hey, you know

719
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,760
Speaker 1: he was taking drills off or reps off or anything.

720
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: He was right there in the mix and going as

721
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: hard as he could. Now, again you're it's it's drill,

722
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: so you know no one's stopping you, and you're not

723
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,240
Speaker 1: in full pads. But to your point, he wasn't standing

724
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: around watching. He was right there in the middle. And

725
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: those are things you pay attention to if you are

726
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: a player that ended a year ago on IR like,

727
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: all right, well, where are you in your rehabber. You

728
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: know how hurt were you or you know was how serious?

729
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: And obviously, yes it was serious to land him on

730
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: injured reserve, but not as serious to where he missed

731
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: offseason work. The way I look at it is is

732
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: the fact that you know they signed J. J. Watt.

733
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: Now it's voluntary. He could he could have said I'm

734
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,879
Speaker 1: still rehabbing and we wouldn't see him on the field.

735
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: I just this is a different mindset. Last year in

736
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: camp I washed him a little bit. And you know,

737
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: Brinson Buckner's hard on these young guys and sometimes you

738
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:43,959
Speaker 1: got to break them down to build them up. And

739
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 1: you could tell he wasn't on the same page with

740
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: buck When I was talking to these young guys, it

741
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: was just a drill why you're watching, And so I'm like, okay,

742
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 1: but they have familiarity. He was with Vance in Miami

743
00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: and you listen to Lorenzo Alexander. He said he had listened.

744
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: As long as he can stay on the field, this

745
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 1: guy can help the team. So that's that's the whole,

746
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: whole important part. But I'm glad he showed up again.

747
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: He's under contract, but it is voluntary, and sometimes guys

748
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: got things going on, but if he could stay healthy again,

749
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: I really like this this front front seven, but in

750
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: particular the D line. Well, let's touch on Zach Allen

751
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 1: as well, entering year three, former third round raft pick.

752
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:31,760
Speaker 1: Last season thirteen games played, started seven and I think, again,

753
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: one of those other players that you're sitting there looking at,

754
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: okay when available, when healthy, But he might be coming

755
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: into his own here in year three, finally getting up

756
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: to speed and growing into his body. As far as

757
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 1: what it takes to be successful and stay healthy at

758
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: the NFL level, Zach Allen is a guy that I mentioned,

759
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: you know, the last couple of years, and a lot

760
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: of these guys can get stronger, and I think I

761
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: think Mason Cole was in that same boat, and we

762
00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: wish him luck in Minnesota. But he's got the he's

763
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 1: got the size, the work ethics there. You know, there

764
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: were times he came off the field last year, wouldn't

765
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: the locker and come back, and then you know, at

766
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:08,399
Speaker 1: the end of the year, you say, well, you play

767
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: fourteen games and so you can build off of that.

768
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: But he's only going to get better. We know that

769
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,760
Speaker 1: he had were one hundred tackles and that was intriguing

770
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: to the Cardinals and at Boston College. At Boston College. Yeah,

771
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: and again, I don't know if he's ever going to

772
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 1: fill up the stat sheet, but he can get tackle

773
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: for losses, he can get stuffs, and he can make

774
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: tackles at the line of scrimmage. When it comes to

775
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,720
Speaker 1: the rush defense. He did fill up the stats sheet

776
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 1: against the Eagles in week fifteen eleven tackles, one sack,

777
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: one tackle for loss, one quarterback hit, one pass defense.

778
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: I mean, it was a game for the Ages, a

779
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: career game for him, but it did show the Cardinals

780
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 1: and everyone else what Zach Allen is capable of doing. Yeah,

781
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: normally that would be a month stats for him. And

782
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: again it's a lot of times it's based on who's

783
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,760
Speaker 1: on the field with you, and then how many snaps

784
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,919
Speaker 1: are you getting and is he out there on third

785
00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: and five or is he out there in third and ten,

786
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 1: because that's where you can fill the statue. But as

787
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: long as he's able to maintain his spot and he's

788
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: not getting blown off the ball and sometimes the Titan's

789
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: going to try to ship him, just be in the

790
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: right spot, I think it will help his career. But

791
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: he's got the ceilings high for him. And if I'm

792
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: not mistaken, didn't Vans say that he's got some similarities

793
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: to a young J. J. Watt. It was a comment

794
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: that I think raised some eyebrows. But let's kind of

795
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: dissect what Vans Joseph was saying. Zach Allen now reminds

796
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: Vance Joseph of JJ Watt. At Zach Allen's age, you're

797
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: not projecting, but what he sees at a Zach Allen

798
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: he saw out of JJ Watt. So now it's on

799
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 1: the player to kind of, you know, continue to get better.

800
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: So that was the similarities that Coach Joseph saw was

801
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 1: Zach Allen, who he did say quote made huge strides

802
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: last season, So they are I think there is an

803
00:41:56,440 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: expectation of this Cardinal's Coe staff that Zach Allen can

804
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,399
Speaker 1: take that next step, that next to leap in year three,

805
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 1: like we talk about with Kyler Murray, with bro with

806
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: Byron Murphy, that entire twenty nineteen draft class, they're always associated,

807
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: yet it's always the quarterback that gets talked more about.

808
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 1: But don't forget about Zach Allen. Yes, he too is

809
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: entering year three, and I think year three. That's that's

810
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: when you know you should be able to get it

811
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: and kind of figure out what your role is going

812
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: to be and maybe go from good to greats if

813
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: you want a long career in the National Football League.

814
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 1: Zach Allen twenty three years old, six four two eighty

815
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 1: one JJ Watt six five two eighty eight, thirty two

816
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 1: years old. So when they stand next to each other,

817
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: Watt is just a little bit bigger, just based on

818
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: the height, but only eight only seven pounds difference in weight.

819
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,439
Speaker 1: But as we heard, JJ Watt is kind of leaning

820
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: on Zach Allen right now as far as to get

821
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 1: him around the facility around town. But the flips side is,

822
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: Zach Allen has got to be like a kid in

823
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: the candy store as far as learning and soaking up

824
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,760
Speaker 1: the knowledge of one of the best to ever play

825
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 1: his position. You've got JJ Watts in your defensive line room,

826
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,479
Speaker 1: in your position room, after how many years watching JJ

827
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: Watt on film and on games on Sunday, And now

828
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you turn to your left or

829
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: you turn to your ride, and the man that you

830
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: grew up probably idolizing or pattering your game after he's

831
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: he's now next to you as your teammates. I'm looking

832
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: at the roster right now. Jordan Phillips six six, three

833
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: forty one. Wow, I never thought he was three forty one.

834
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: He's big six six anyways. And then you throw in

835
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: um lucky he's three thirty. I mean, talk about beefy. Well,

836
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: that's the one position group that we get the closest

837
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: at during OTAs in mini camp because as the media

838
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 1: is positioned underneath some shade trees, the defensive line is

839
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: working out right there and we're within, you know, three

840
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: four feet of these guys and yeah, they're all they're

841
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: all towering over us, you know, skinny media people, especially

842
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,760
Speaker 1: you over there. Yeah, I'm all I'm skelts and all bones.

843
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: Xavier Williams three h nine. I guess I like that.

844
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: I mean again jj Watt. That's why he can split

845
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: double teams because he's two eighty eight. When you get

846
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: a guys are at three thirty, they're asked to just

847
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: basically occupy the center in the guard and try to

848
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: be a run stuffer. Yeah, a lot of beef if

849
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: you will, in that defensive line room. And you mentioned

850
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: one of the newcomer Xavier Williams, although not really new

851
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 1: because he spent his first three seasons with the Cardinals.

852
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: Former undrafted rookie free agent, he is back signed late

853
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: this offseason, so he is a newcomer, as is Ryan B,

854
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,720
Speaker 1: Cam Murray and David Perry. B didn't play last season,

855
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: Murray an undrafted rookie free agent out of Oklahoma States,

856
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: and Perry hasn't played since twenty eighteen. Williams, though, is

857
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: the intriguing name and all of this because you're gonna

858
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: make a move late in the off season, right ahead

859
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: of OTAs in mini camp. There's a reason. And perhaps

860
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: Xavier Williams, with what he's shown he could do with

861
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: the Cardinals and then after leaving the Cardinals winning the

862
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: Super Bowl with the Chiefs in twenty nineteen, maybe he

863
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: could be that nose tackle or back up nose tackle,

864
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: but just another body to see what they have lefts

865
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 1: and then more importantly, see what the guys you currently

866
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: have and hope to fill that position, especially the young

867
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: players and Lawrence and Foe two that can they be

868
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: that guy in year two? And if not, well you

869
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 1: need to find somebody. Maybe Xavier Williams could be that

870
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: guy or a David Perry, who does have experience, just

871
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: not recent experience. Yeah, Ryan B six seven two eighty

872
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: more of a defensive end. David Perry to me, I mean,

873
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: he's kind of like a little bowling ball. He's got

874
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:55,240
Speaker 1: a huge calf six two three seventeen. As we pointed

875
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: out when the Cardinals brought him in here, he hasn't

876
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: played since twenty eighteen, but he does have some fl starts.

877
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: So really, when I start we start going through these names,

878
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: Michael Dogby could be on the outside looking in just

879
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 1: based on draft picks free agents. But again, they're going

880
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: to try to load up certain positions on the practice squad.

881
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: But you know, we'll have to wait and see. There's

882
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: always a surprise or two someone that comes out of

883
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:25,240
Speaker 1: nowhere and then you start talking about them. But it's preseason,

884
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: and okay, what happens when it play starts for real,

885
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,439
Speaker 1: as far as these games counts, then what happens. Well,

886
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: and we know you can have a sixteen man practice

887
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 1: squad and it seems like everyone's eligible. Yeah, that is true.

888
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: It's it's certainly the rules for the practice squad have

889
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: been expanded for good reasons well, and for COVID last year.

890
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, trainer, head coach GM, wake up

891
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: in the morning, somebody tested positive. Well, all of a

892
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,879
Speaker 1: sudden and you talk to You've done a good job

893
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: letting us know who was protected throughout the year. And

894
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: you can see when you mentioned was a dogbe fourteen

895
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 1: correct protections, Well, Jordan phillis on the shelf. So all

896
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you know you don't want to go

897
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: thin at that position. So according to the everything I'm

898
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 1: reading in here, and they're gonna go back to the

899
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,760
Speaker 1: sixteen men practice squad, and I think that's awesome because

900
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,720
Speaker 1: you can maybe a guy's not ready, like take going Colin.

901
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 1: Is he gonna make the roster. We'll see if they

902
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 1: keep five corners, they could go five and five, they

903
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: can go nine. But that's all you're gonna get better.

904
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 1: You get to practice every day, you know, you get

905
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 1: you know, you're in the training room, you're watching film.

906
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: And really Belichick has done that for a lot of

907
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: years where you know he would put a guy on

908
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: IR and then they call it stash and a player,

909
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 1: but here it's it's on the transaction log that he

910
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: is a practice squad player. And then maybe next year,

911
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: Malcolm Butler's on a one year deal, Robert all for

912
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: a kind of year he has, so all of a sudden,

913
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: now you've kind of have depth at that position. Now

914
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 1: we got to find out if they can play or not.

915
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: Let's bring this episode talk about the defensive line full circle. Obviously,

916
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: when you add a JJ Watts, certainly that changes the

917
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: narrative and the picture what you have in that defensive line.

918
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: But overall, given the amount of guys who were returning,

919
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: and then maybe the X factor literally Xavier Williams being

920
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: that quote unquote newcomer if you will. But JJ Watt,

921
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: Jordan Phillips, Zach Allen, Lucky Foe two Orchard Lawrence. Those

922
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: are five names right there. And how many defensive lineman

923
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: do you typically keep when you're playing a three to

924
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: four and sometimes a lot of times last year we

925
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 1: saw just two down lineman on that defensive side. I

926
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: think you keep seven. Now you mainly dress six on

927
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: game day. But before we get out of here, let's

928
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: talk about where they ranked last year, because there were

929
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: games when I thought they did a decent job on

930
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 1: some of the running backs. I mean, they didn't face McCaffrey,

931
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: but For the most part, they were ranked twenty second

932
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: and rushing given up one hundred and twenty five point

933
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: five now twenty fifth and rushing yards per play. They

934
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 1: allow the fewest touchdowns fourth fewest four rushing touchdowns thirteen

935
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 1: touchdowns they were given. They were giving up yards, but

936
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,280
Speaker 1: then close to the goal line, inside the five, inside

937
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: the ten, they were not allowing a lot. But it

938
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 1: wasn't like the previous year when they give up eighteen touchdowns.

939
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: A tight ends, yes, yea. So to me, that's where

940
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: the JJ Watton and the healthy Jordan Phillips come in

941
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 1: and then the run stuffers in the middle. I mean,

942
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: you're never going to be a top five, but we

943
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 1: know they've been top five in rushing yards per carry

944
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: and it tailed off. But if you can just you know,

945
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 1: if you go from twenty two to eleven, that's improvement,

946
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: I mean, and if you go from twenty five to

947
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 1: top twelve, I mean, because when you get to December

948
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: in January football you have to stop the run. I mean,

949
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: that's part of it. Yes, the weather changes back east,

950
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 1: and you know teams are jockeying for a physition and proceedings.

951
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: So I do think that unit will be one of

952
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 1: the more improved based on what they have right now

953
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 1: on paper. What you don't want to have happened is

954
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: what happened in Week sixteen against the forty nine ers

955
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: at State Farm Stadium. Forty nine ers rushed for a

956
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 1: season high two hundred and twenty seven yards, averaging seven

957
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:23,879
Speaker 1: point six yards per play. And that was arguably, maybe

958
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: not even arguably the worst game defensively played by the

959
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: Cardinals in a game that mattered. You win that ball game.

960
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: You're in the playoffs and you didn't show up. And

961
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 1: I think the lasting impression of the Cardinals and the

962
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: Cardinals defense Week sixteen, Week seventeen, it lingers and it

963
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 1: continues to linger here in the offseason, and I think

964
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: that's what the front office and GM, Steve Kin specifically,

965
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 1: you're looking at all, Right, what do we need to

966
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 1: do to change this picture that people have You mentioned?

967
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:56,399
Speaker 1: Getting more physical, bringing in more leadership. Those were all

968
00:50:56,600 --> 00:51:00,320
Speaker 1: major factors in all of the offseason editions, include in

969
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 1: the draft as far as to improve this team to

970
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 1: take it from on the outside to end the playoff picture. Yeah,

971
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: I can see Jeff Wilson still running right now and CJ. Bethret.

972
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, he lost his brother. You could

973
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 1: tell they were playing for him. They had gone back

974
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: and forth with him and Nick Mullins. But I agree

975
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: with you that that was a dud and I did

976
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: not see that coming. Yeah, let's let's quickly put a

977
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 1: lid on this edition of Cardinals Cover two presented by Hunday,

978
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: probably partner of the Arizona Cardinals, before I get more

979
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 1: and more upsets. Thinking about that Week sixteen game against

980
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers. It haunts you, bird Gang, it

981
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,800
Speaker 1: really does, because you're so close and well, you know,

982
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,479
Speaker 1: we know what happens. We're turning the page twenty twenty

983
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 1: one years the Folk. According to Kingsbury, I mean they

984
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 1: almost had a lead at the halftime in Week seventeen, Yes,

985
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 1: if not for a pick six and there you go

986
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: and you're you're no. No. Kingsbury was on a podcast

987
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: with Tregger and mcvah and he said, finally I was

988
00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 1: going to go in half with the lead, and unfortunately

989
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 1: was it Trey Hill? Yeah thinks, yeah, he had two

990
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,839
Speaker 1: pick sixes, you know all season both Okay, all right, yes,

991
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 1: you just keep rubbing salting alone there, m J. Listen,

992
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: I remember coming in after the season, We're like, Wow,

993
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: they didn't make the playoffs. Yeah, it is uh, but

994
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,439
Speaker 1: that's the beauty of the NFL. I hope all thirty

995
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: two things think they're better this year. Now, when you

996
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:25,760
Speaker 1: hire a new coach and you got a new quarterback,

997
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: it takes time. But this team has been building. Now

998
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 1: it's a matter of you know, knocking on the door

999
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,240
Speaker 1: and going through the door. Yeah, we don't want history

1000
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: to repeat itself, some new history in twenty twenty one

1001
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: for the Arizona Cardinals special Thanks as always to our

1002
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,399
Speaker 1: executive producer Jim Almahundro. For Mike Jarecki, I'm Greg Reel

1003
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: that we have one more position group to discuss. We'll

1004
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:49,919
Speaker 1: do that later on this week, and then of course

1005
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: training camp right around the corner. We'll talk to you

1006
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: next time here on Cardinals Cover two.