1 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: Before you can pass a policy that criminalizes protest, or 2 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: show up at someone's house and bungle them off in 3 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: an unmarked fan, you have to spend a good few 4 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: years making sure a substantial portion of the population will 5 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: be on your side and not theirs. 6 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:29,479 Speaker 2: And the best way to do. 7 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: That is to vilify and dehumanize the activists in question, 8 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 1: to make them annoying mosquitoes that everyone wants to swat away, 9 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: even if they agree with their cause. Globally, the efforts 10 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: to cast climate activists in that light have been pretty successful. 11 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: It is not uncommon to see everyone from prominent climate 12 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: scientists to moderate politicians criticizing the tactics of protesters a 13 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: whole lot more than they criticize the criminalization of protest. 14 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: That doesn't just happen, it's carefully orchestrated, and in recent years, 15 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: mainstream media has mostly been assisting in that effort. When 16 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: it covers activism at all, which is rare, the media 17 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:18,759 Speaker 1: is largely critical of it. Headlines describe climate activists as radical, 18 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: decry disruptive tactics, or focus on the cost that this 19 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 1: or that protest has inflicted on a business. Articles will 20 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: sooner raise an eyebrow at who's paying the activists and 21 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: engage with the cause that's driving them. 22 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 2: The reality is that. 23 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: The vast majority of climate activists are smart, joyful, deeply 24 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: caring individuals who are doing a pretty brave thing by 25 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: putting their lives, their livelihoods, and their bodies on the 26 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: line for something they believe will protect all of us. 27 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: In an effort to rehumanize them. Will be bringing you 28 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: their stories directly throughout the series. Today we'll meet Disha Robbie, 29 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: the co founder of Friday's for Future India. She's a 30 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: bright and charming twenty four year old who's had her 31 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: life on hold for more than two years after being 32 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: arrested for sedition for participating in a protest connected to 33 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: the Farmer's movement in India that's coming up after this 34 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: quick break. 35 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 3: And Disha arib I'm a climate justice activist from Bangalore, India. 36 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 2: I am twenty four. 37 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:51,839 Speaker 3: I primarily volunteer with the Friday's Future India and MAPA 38 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 3: and I'm really excited to be here. 39 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 2: My pronouns a shiha. 40 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 1: And maybe we can start with just how you started 41 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,519 Speaker 1: to get involved with climate activism in the first place. 42 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: What kind of drew you into it. 43 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 2: So it was actually a bunch of things. 44 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 3: Because when I was really young, my grandparents, who are farmers, 45 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 3: still farmers, they were experiencing the water crisis because like 46 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 3: most farmers in India, they were heavily dependent on underground 47 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 3: water and there was depleting and they did have access 48 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 3: to resources or other water resources. And it made me 49 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 3: question when I was very young why this was okay. 50 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 3: And then when I moved places with my mother, it 51 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 3: was the same situation everywhere where water was seen as 52 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 3: almost like a luxury. And it wasn't until I know, 53 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 3: left my city and my state and traveled outside the 54 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 3: state and I realized that this is not actually true 55 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 3: you can just get water whenever you want to, because 56 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 3: in my grandparents house they get limited electricity even now, 57 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 3: like only for a few hours early in the morning 58 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 3: and in the evening, and only then can you access water, 59 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 3: and even then that it's limited water. 60 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 2: And it was when when my mom moved. 61 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 3: Places, we'd have to we had like a shared community 62 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 3: well where she'd have to go fetch water from. And 63 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 3: this was really wild to me, but it was normalized 64 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 3: to a large extent, so I didn't think much of 65 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 3: it until I went out and I was like, wow, 66 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 3: you can just get water any time, which was really 67 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,799 Speaker 3: surprising to me. So that's when I began to question 68 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 3: why there is different levels of access to such a 69 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 3: basic necessity. And that's when I went down her rabbit 70 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 3: hole and understood this was because of a the climate crisis, 71 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 3: and also because my state especially depends a lot on 72 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 3: underground water, especially farmers, but not just in my state, 73 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 3: but across the country. Now the situation is better because 74 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 3: they have canals and they started using rainwater harvesting, but 75 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 3: there's just my grandparents, because a situation around the country 76 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 3: is getting worse, and even in the same town, in different. 77 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 2: Parts it's bad. 78 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 3: So a lot of this made me question things, and 79 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 3: that's how I got into it. 80 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 1: That's fascinating. And when did you start getting involved with 81 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 1: Fridays for Future. 82 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 3: So it was in twenty nineteen March when the first 83 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 3: global strike happened. So back then I was still in 84 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 3: college and I was essentially volunteering with a bunch of 85 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 3: environmental movements and a bunch of things that my college 86 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 3: was doing. But I realized that there isn't conversations on 87 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 3: climate and how we're being impacted by climate. There is 88 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 3: a lot of conversation about environmental impacts and deforestation and 89 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 3: biodiversity laws, but not about varying in increasing temperatures. And 90 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 3: that's when I came across Friday's the Future and I 91 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 3: was like, hah, that seems cool, and once again I 92 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 3: went down a rabbit hole and I was like, oh, 93 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 3: this makes a lot of sense, and I essentially just 94 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:06,559 Speaker 3: posted on Instagram saying, Hey, this looks like something cool 95 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 3: that I would really like to start. Would anyone be interested? 96 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 3: And my friend connected me to another person who had 97 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 3: posted something very similar, and the other person she just 98 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 3: so happened to be in my city, and we essentially 99 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 3: started like the Fridays for Future India Instagram page, and 100 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 3: a bunch of other people from different. 101 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 2: Cities reached out. That's how we started. 102 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:33,119 Speaker 3: It was digital at first until like the first strike 103 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 3: we had where we went, and then we started working 104 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 3: on ground more and we worked with a lot of 105 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 3: older environmental movements and learned a lot from them, and Yeah, 106 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 3: I was really life changing because that community taught us 107 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 3: so much and they still continue to teach us so much. 108 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. 109 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: Okay, so I want to hear about what led up 110 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: to your arrest and so have you kind of walked 111 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: me through that day and what you thought was going on, 112 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: whether it was surprising or you had some knowledge that 113 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: this was going to happen, all of that kind of stuff. 114 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 3: So my arrest itself, I'm legally not allowed to talk 115 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 3: about a bunch of things, but I can tell you 116 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 3: what I am allowed to talk about. So when the 117 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 3: Farmer's movement essentially kicked off and they started taking to 118 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 3: the streets, the environmental youth, environmental as well as climate 119 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 3: movements in India, they essentially formed a coalition. 120 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 2: It was called Greens with Farmers. 121 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 3: The Greens was kind of like a dig at the 122 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 3: media because the local media and the national media likes 123 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 3: to call us greens, which is really weird because it 124 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 3: feels like they're not taking us as seriously. 125 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 2: But yeah, we were trying to reclaim that. 126 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 3: So we formed a coalition called Greens with Farmers and 127 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 3: we were working. There were like so many groups involved, 128 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 3: and so many of us were on ground in our 129 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 3: own regions. Some people were in Delhi where a lot 130 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,679 Speaker 3: of farmers from across the country had set up camp 131 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 3: to essentially protests because in India, what happens is unless 132 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 3: protests are in Delhi, where it's the capital, where you 133 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 3: know most of the governments are, unless you're seen by them, 134 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 3: you don't actually get heard. 135 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 2: So you could have like a massive. 136 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 3: Protest in the rural region or even an urban region, 137 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 3: but you won't necessite be heard unless it's close to 138 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 3: power in some manner, which is why they had gone 139 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 3: to Delhi. In my own city, they had farmers from 140 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 3: my own city but having multiple protests in various parts 141 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 3: of the city. 142 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 2: I had joined a few of them. 143 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 3: They had invited me to speak at some of them 144 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 3: to showcase you solidarity. So there was a lot going on, 145 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 3: and it was a month's low, like it was so 146 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 3: many months of campaigning, and it began to get international 147 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 3: attention when Rihanna tweeted about it. The funniest thing I 148 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 3: will tell you is once when the police asked me 149 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 3: if I knew Rihanna, and I was like, oh, I 150 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 3: wish I knew Rihanna, And I was in my head, 151 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:14,319 Speaker 3: I was like, Wow, this would be so worth it 152 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 3: if I knew Rihanna. But yeah, and suddenly everyone's talking 153 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 3: about it internationally, which was good because India doesn't like 154 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 3: looking bad in front of international media, and this was 155 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 3: doing exactly that. And then Gretta tweeted about it and 156 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 3: it was going all over the place, and she teeted 157 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 3: the toolkit that I was loosely associated with, and it 158 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 3: was interesting because I didn't think there was anything I 159 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 3: don't I still don't think there was anything wrong with 160 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 3: the toolkit. But the Toolkit essentially was explaining what's happening 161 00:09:56,120 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 3: to different audiences because there was a deliberate effort by 162 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 3: national media in India to paint the farmers in bad 163 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 3: light or not even talk about it. 164 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 2: So it was both these ends. 165 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 3: So we had to very actively push for their narrative 166 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:14,119 Speaker 3: to be heard. 167 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 2: Which was what the tool kit did. 168 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 3: It linked to some resources and some things the farmers 169 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 3: on ground had written directly or people who were in 170 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 3: touch with them had written. It was being updated with 171 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 3: protests that were happening both in the country and outside 172 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 3: the country. A lot of them were solidarity protests, especially 173 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 3: outside the country obviously, and they had called for a 174 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 3: protest on Republic Day, which is Jan twenty six in India. 175 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 3: It was very last minute and apparently a lot of 176 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 3: this part I'm completely unaware about, and a lot of 177 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 3: international groups had also done the same and that ended 178 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 3: up leading to violence burg in India and in other countries. 179 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 3: I think they essentially spray painted something on the Indian embassis. 180 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 3: I'm not sure about this part, because they accused me 181 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 3: of all these things and I was like, wow, I 182 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 3: had literally no idea. And there was violence because the 183 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:18,559 Speaker 3: police got violent and then the farmers got violent. There 184 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:22,439 Speaker 3: was a huge flash between the two. There were injuries 185 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 3: on both sides. And it was a coincidence that it 186 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 3: was that an international Day of solidarity was called by the. 187 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 2: Climate movements on the same day. 188 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 3: To us because it was like an important day because 189 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 3: it's a Republic Day, so we knew India would be 190 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 3: getting attention generally. I'm guessing the farmers not the same. 191 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 3: But the two days were actually a coincidence. But because 192 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 3: the tool kids said except January which was Republic Day 193 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 3: and which was the day the violence happened, which we 194 00:11:54,640 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 3: honestly tied to this in any manner. We didn't know 195 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 3: about it until it like after it happened and we 196 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:04,319 Speaker 3: heard about. 197 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 2: It in news. 198 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:07,959 Speaker 3: I actually had a very peaceful Republic Day because it 199 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 3: was a holiday and I just slept in. 200 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 2: I had no idea until the next day. 201 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 3: And I didn't make much of it because a lot 202 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 3: of protests, especially in Delhi, ended up being violent. So 203 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 3: it is concerning, but it isn't news, so I wasn't surprised. 204 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 3: And then one month later it suddenly becoming discussion again. 205 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 3: And the only reason it got so much attention was 206 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 3: because it was mentioned on Republic Day. So it was 207 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 3: seen as a conspiracy where our tool care somehow manufactured 208 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 3: the violence that happened on Republic Day, and that it 209 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 3: led and inspired people to be violent and attacked the 210 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 3: previous not just in India but also outside India. 211 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,559 Speaker 2: So I was seen as this master plan to. 212 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 3: Paint India as bad in the eyes of everybody, which 213 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 3: is why we got charged with addition, because it was 214 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 3: seen as a big conspiracy. 215 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 1: The thing that that's how they tried to position it. 216 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 1: Did police just like show up at your house to 217 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,319 Speaker 1: arrest you? Were you told to go to the police 218 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 1: station and surrender yourself. 219 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 2: I didn't. 220 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 3: I didn't expected at all. When gratuated it, I think 221 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 3: it would become such a big deal. But suddenly it 222 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 3: blew up and people were pissed, like it didn't blow 223 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 3: up in a good way, and I was like ootion 224 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 3: And suddenly we were being called like really were names. 225 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 3: We were called a toolkit gang. Suddenly toolkit became a 226 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 3: bad one. It was just blowing up, and I'm like, 227 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 3: what is happening? And even then I didn't think it 228 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 3: would actually lead to a case, but the right wing 229 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 3: communities were really pissed with it, and they started making 230 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 3: these really were ties and they were like, this toolkit 231 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 3: was made to defame India internationally. 232 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 2: And I was like what. 233 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 3: So all of this was like news to us, and 234 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 3: some of the information on that was so old, was 235 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 3: contributed by so many people that I didn't even know 236 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 3: half things on that, and they were just finding these 237 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 3: super random things. I remember them being really pissed that 238 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 3: Human Rights Watch had put India's human rights that like 239 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 3: a very low number and they had given a lot 240 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 3: of reasoning, and that pressed them off to I was 241 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 3: hoping it would die down, but the right wing communities 242 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 3: essentially filed case against the creators. 243 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 2: Didn't know who the creators we were. 244 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 3: But the fire basically a first investigation report or just 245 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 3: like what you file when you want to invest in 246 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 3: something and then it becomes. 247 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 2: A case basically. 248 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 3: And then the next day the I think the Deli 249 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 3: Chief of Police or someone I am not sure who exactly, 250 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 3: but someone very higher up than the Teli police is 251 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 3: giving like a press ca conference. 252 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 2: Saying that they will catch the makers off the two 253 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 2: kid and I'm like, and even then. 254 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 3: I wasn't worrying because there is nothing wrong in the toolkit. 255 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 3: So even then I just I just thought it would 256 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 3: die down. But I did end up contacting a bunch 257 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 3: of lawyers who support Friday's for Future India quite a bit, 258 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 3: because this is not the first time we've got in trouble, 259 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 3: especially with the Deli police. 260 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 2: So I contacted the same people and they said the 261 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 2: same thing. 262 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 3: That there is nothing to worry about because it is 263 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 3: a very innocous few pages. So I just stay at 264 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 3: home and I was like, if they want to come 265 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 3: question me, they can, And I was very confident that 266 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 3: I wouldn't get arrested because once again, it is not 267 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 3: a big deal at all. 268 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 2: I was very happy to answer their questions. 269 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 3: I didn't think anything would happen, so when they came, 270 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 3: I wasn't surprised. Had told my mother. At this point, 271 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 3: I was like, if the police come, just. 272 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 2: Contact my lawyers. I was not worried, and I answered 273 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 2: that questions. 274 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 3: I was very cooperative, and they just they just arrested me. 275 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 3: They literally used my paper from my house and my 276 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 3: pen from my house to write out an arrestaurant didn't 277 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 3: come with an arrest warrant. Wow. Yeah, uh they. 278 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: Borrow a pen. 279 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 2: Yeah they did, and my mom made them be I'm 280 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 2: so annoyed with made them So that's amazing. Wow, my 281 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 2: own tend at my paper. 282 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 3: And they just know the arrest wantant and have flown 283 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 3: to Delhi. Also, this is mild to me because it's 284 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 3: like the second time I was ever flying flying ever, 285 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 3: and I was just like, what is happening? And I've 286 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:05,400 Speaker 3: never been to Delhi, so it's the fact that they're 287 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 3: accusing me of orchestrating that something that happened to Delhi 288 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 3: before that having ever been there. The first time I 289 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 3: was there was when I was arrested, and I was like, 290 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 3: this is so wise. So I didn't see it coming. 291 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 3: But luckily my lawyers were from Delhi. My mom finally 292 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,679 Speaker 3: gained consciousness enough to call them. 293 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 2: The police had given his number to. 294 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 3: My mother, and my mom shared that with the lawyers 295 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 3: and they were calling to check what's going to happen 296 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 3: next and all of that, and yeah, that's pretty much it. 297 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 3: So I didn't think i'd actually get arrested at all. 298 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 3: I was having a very peaceful day. It was a Saturday, 299 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 3: so I was just like, yeah, it's okay. 300 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 2: I didn't see it coming. I mean, I knew that 301 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 2: question me. 302 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 3: They literally flew down from Delhi. Delhi is on the 303 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 3: other side of the country. Bangalore is a in the south, 304 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 3: Delly's in the north. 305 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 1: But how long is the flight for you to go 306 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 1: to Deli? 307 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 2: It's two and a half hours. Wow. I was freaking out. 308 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 3: My mom's now flown before, she has Yeah, she flew 309 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 3: for the first time this year, I think, and she 310 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 3: has never flown before except for like the young people 311 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 3: we work with. We know nobody else in Deli. But 312 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 3: luckily my lawyers were based out of Delhi. But it 313 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 3: was like a wild situation. 314 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:27,679 Speaker 2: Wow. 315 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: And then how long were you held? 316 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 3: So it was ten days, which I'm so glad because 317 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 3: now it seems like such a small number. But back 318 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 3: then I didn't know it would be ten days because 319 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 3: it were it's these are very serious charges and no 320 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 3: one gets out in ten days, and it was only 321 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 3: because of like the massive amounts of public pressure and 322 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:54,479 Speaker 3: everyone protesting and making a huge fuss about it. I 323 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 3: think that genuinely played a huge role in keeping me 324 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 3: safe in prison and also just making sure I got 325 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 3: out soon. 326 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 1: So what's the situation now? 327 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 3: Oh my god, I had a hearing today and I 328 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 3: have such sad news. 329 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:12,479 Speaker 2: So technically. 330 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 3: The investigation is still on, so it's going nowhere. And 331 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 3: also because the police suddenly said, oh they've started investigation again, 332 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,439 Speaker 3: I don't know what that means because they never really 333 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 3: call me for anything. I just have to live in 334 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 3: this in between where I have limited freedom. 335 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: Are you able to tell me what the conditions of 336 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 1: your bail are? I know you have to ask permission 337 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 1: to travel. What are the other conditions? 338 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 2: There are a bunch of things. 339 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 3: I don't remember most of them because they don't restrict 340 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 3: my movement as much. They're not allowed to travel is 341 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 3: one thing. I'm supposed to appear before the investigating agency, 342 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 3: which isn't telly anytime they want me to. 343 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 1: You have to pay if they are you need to 344 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: come to Deli every time I. 345 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 3: Travel to Delli, I'm paying for it out of my pocket, 346 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 3: and I'm like, staying there, I have to pay her 347 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 3: paper out of my pocket. 348 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 2: They are not paying for it yees. Yeah, and it 349 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 2: is very expensive. Oh. 350 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:22,400 Speaker 3: Another thing is I am not supposed to interact with 351 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 3: my co aqus, But I'm also not supposed to interact 352 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 3: with people who are suspects in the case. And there 353 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 3: is no list of who the suspects are. They can 354 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 3: keep adding whoever they. 355 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 2: Want as suspects. 356 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 3: And the fun part is that Greta is a suspect 357 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 3: in the case and I'm like, okay, So even though 358 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 3: this time we were at a lot of events together, 359 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 3: I'm not allowed to interact with her because that will 360 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 3: get me in trouble back home, and that will get 361 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 3: my limited privileges revoked and it would look really bad 362 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 3: for my case. 363 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 2: So I'm not allowed to inter act with suspects. 364 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 3: And there's no list of who they considered suspects, so 365 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 3: it's very ambiguous. So if I'm interacting with someone they 366 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 3: may not like and that person might become a suspect. 367 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 2: Wow. 368 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 1: So you're just sort of in this limbo in between 369 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: because they supposedly have started this investigation, but you don't 370 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: know how long it's going to go on or you know, 371 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 1: and then I mean, I don't know. Once they complete 372 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: the investigation, then what happens. Then maybe there's a charge sheet, 373 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:32,919 Speaker 1: but maybe they. 374 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 2: Just drop it. I have no idea. 375 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: Wow, that's so scary. And this has been going on 376 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: for how long? 377 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:43,120 Speaker 2: For two years? 378 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,679 Speaker 3: And I have no idea when it will And I 379 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 3: don't know when their investigation will get over, so. 380 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 2: I don't know how long it will take. 381 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 3: There is no deadline I have the it's the uncertainty 382 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 3: that's annoying because I just don't know what will happen. 383 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:04,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it's really hard. I'm sorry to shut that. Yeah, wow, 384 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,120 Speaker 1: how does your family feel about this? Now? Are they 385 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: mad at you? Are they mad at the authorities? What's 386 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 1: life like living in your house? 387 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 2: Right now? 388 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 3: They're definitely more mad at the authorities than they are 389 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 3: at me. But like even now when I just generally 390 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 3: don't tell them much about my work for their own 391 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 3: sanity and mind, but like when quote thinks I do 392 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 3: tell them, and today's auto, my mom is just very 393 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 3: disappointed and upset because she. 394 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 2: Was just like, how long are they going to do this. 395 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 2: How long is this going to go on for? 396 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 3: So she is very upset what the authorities and the 397 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 3: injustice of it all, and she'll randomly be like, please 398 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 3: don't do any of this again where there is a 399 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 3: slight blame on me. 400 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 2: But I'm just like, what did I do? It's not 401 00:22:58,119 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 2: like I did anything wrong. 402 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 3: And then she's like, yeah, I know, but you know 403 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 3: how the environment is, you know what the political scenario is. 404 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 3: So even though she recognizes that it's not my fault, 405 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 3: she'll that won't stop her from, you know, advising me 406 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 3: to not be an activist because she's just scared. But 407 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 3: at the same time, she is very proud also because 408 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 3: when again I don't tell her things, but it's unfortunately 409 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 3: she googles me a lot, which is not good for 410 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 3: her army. And if there's like some article that comes 411 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 3: out and she'll she'll see that I've done. 412 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,199 Speaker 2: Something cool and she's like, oh my god, I'm so 413 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 2: proud of it. 414 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 3: So she goes back and forth on her stance, so 415 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 3: she'll be in the same sentence, she'll like, oh, I'm 416 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 3: so happy and proud of if you look at how 417 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 3: other countries treat you and look at out this country 418 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 3: treats you. Yeah, maybe you should just once all of 419 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 3: this over, Maybe you should just go somewhere, go study somewhere, 420 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 3: leave or something like that. Yeah, but don't do any 421 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 3: of this anymore this country because this country won't appreciate it. 422 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 3: They've come down very heavily on you and all of that. 423 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense. Are you are you allowed to 424 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 1: continue to do activism under your current situation or is 425 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,120 Speaker 1: that part of the bail conditions too? 426 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 2: Oh? 427 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 3: I know they can't just say I can't do activism. 428 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 3: That would be like a bunch of like direct quilation 429 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 3: of a bunch of constitutional rights. 430 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 2: So no, but. 431 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,199 Speaker 3: I think they loosely say that I am not allowed 432 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 3: to do similar activities. 433 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 2: That would be fame India. 434 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: It just all sounds really hard beyond what happened to you. 435 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: Are you seeing an increase in efforts to silence or 436 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: suppress or just downplay environmental activism or climate activism in India? 437 00:24:59,400 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 2: Oh? 438 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 3: This can talk endlessly about there has been an increase 439 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 3: in how they are dealing with environmental activist defenders. I 440 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,439 Speaker 3: think Global Witness is actually named as one of like 441 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 3: top ten countries to be like top in most dangerous. 442 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 2: Countries to be like an environmental activist. 443 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 3: A defender in and they're not like directly picking up 444 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 3: activists from like protest sites. They don't normally do that 445 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 3: unless it gets violent or as long as it's a 446 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 3: peaceful protest, they'll let it happen. 447 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 2: And then they will file charges. 448 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 3: On people later on, and they'll be pretty severe charges 449 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,959 Speaker 3: or arrest people from homes because then there's less of 450 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 3: like a media attention. So they're very clever that way. 451 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 3: In an environmental law firm, And how was the i 452 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 3: think founder, lead person in the in the law firm, 453 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 3: He is amazing. He's led environmental litigation in India for 454 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 3: a really long time. He's been supporting movements across the country, 455 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:08,439 Speaker 3: especially against anti mining deforestation issues, both of which are 456 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 3: very deeply tied. So there's obviously pissed off the government 457 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 3: and they've threatened his they've cut off their foreign license. 458 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 3: He's been slapped with a bunch of charges which limits 459 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 3: what the work he does, which is very concerning because. 460 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,120 Speaker 2: Environmental litigation in India is. 461 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 3: Like one of our last resorts to actually see some 462 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 3: positive climate action, and even that avenue has been closed 463 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 3: or as being close to us right now because they're 464 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:47,120 Speaker 3: weakening environmental regulations. They are being very clever about how 465 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 3: they actually environmental activism because they're cutting off our limbs. 466 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,120 Speaker 3: They're not attacking us in public, but they're they're being 467 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 3: very strategic about the kind of tools we use, and 468 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 3: they're cutting that off for us. That was environmental litigation 469 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 3: that was using these environmental laws, which aren't the best, 470 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 3: I will admit, but they are better than what they 471 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 3: are right now. 472 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 2: And right now that like. 473 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 3: They give free rein to businesses to essentially build any 474 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 3: kind of infrastructure in eco sensitive zones, and this includes 475 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 3: like mining. They've been really pushing for deep sea mining. 476 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 3: Protests against that are seen as protests against development and 477 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 3: indirectly an attack against the country. So any form of 478 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 3: protest is quickly nationalized and framed into a narrative where 479 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 3: it's seen as a threat against the country, which makes 480 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 3: up all the nationalists. So it's no longer an environmental issue, 481 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,360 Speaker 3: it's an issue against the country itself. 482 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: Do you think it would get to a point where 483 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 1: you would want to leave or you like, no, I'm 484 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: not going to let them force me out of my. 485 00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 4: Country, Okay, So I keep getting ask this question a lot, and. 486 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 3: I absolutely won't be leaving, and I'm very adamant about it, 487 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 3: because like, this is my country. 488 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 4: This is my country as much as it is there, 489 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 4: and I'm going to stay here and make their lives miserable, 490 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 4: and I know they will make mine too, but I'm 491 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,679 Speaker 4: just I'm going to continue doing my work, which and 492 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,640 Speaker 4: my intention isn't even to make their lives miserable. 493 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 3: My intention is just to get climate justice. But apparently 494 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 3: doing that makes their lives miserable. 495 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,160 Speaker 2: So I guess it is what it is. I would 496 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 2: really like to. 497 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 3: Travel and study outside maybe maybe maybe For me, it's 498 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 3: not even about do I want to do it, It's 499 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 3: about having the freedom to. 500 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 2: Do it right. So I would like to potentially have 501 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 2: the freedom to do that one day. 502 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 3: So I might live outside the country for a year 503 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 3: or two, but I would always want to come back. 504 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 2: When I first went to London for the first time. 505 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 3: Ever, it was a massive cultural shock to me that 506 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 3: you can drink tabs. 507 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 5: Of here, you like get a fund for diseases, and 508 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 5: like you could walk because you have payments. 509 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 3: We have pavements too, but. 510 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 5: There are things on our pavements on ours them on 511 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 5: the sub construction going on on our pavements, but most 512 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 5: of the time the payments just don't exist. 513 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 2: So to me it was it was why. 514 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 3: So I would really like to go outside the country 515 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 3: to study how that exists and how like London has 516 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 3: such a good metro system. 517 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 2: I know it's like it. 518 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 3: Charges a lot, but it's like really well connected. 519 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 2: We don't have that in Deli. 520 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 3: We do, but not in my own city and not 521 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,239 Speaker 3: in any other city. I think we don't have the 522 00:29:55,240 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 3: best public transport, and now that blew my mind. So 523 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 3: I would really like to understand that better. So because 524 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 3: I'm I'm very interested and having better infrastructure in a 525 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 3: way that doesn't like destroy the environment, because that's what 526 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 3: their defense is normally that we're doing this for developing 527 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 3: infrastructure and the quality of life. But yeah, no, I'm 528 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 3: going to stay here and make every un miserable. And 529 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 3: my mom would hate it. Outside the country, she would 530 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 3: absolutely hate it. She doesn't speak the language, she probably 531 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 3: wouldn't be able to get along with anyone. 532 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 2: So I don't hate it. 533 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 3: She's told me she'd hate it, and yeah, yeah, I 534 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 3: hate it. 535 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 4: And the food was so bad. 536 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 3: Even the Indian restaurants in the. 537 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 2: Different places I went to, and I was like, this 538 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:52,719 Speaker 2: is not it. 539 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 3: So yeah, no, I would like to say her for 540 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 3: very special reason, said I really don't mind that the savage. 541 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: I love it. That's it for this time. We'll be 542 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: back next week with two more stories from this series, 543 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: so make sure you come back for that. 544 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 5: M