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Speaker 1: the Global Headquarters magazine. Yeah, I've got Jonathan Wilkins with me. Now,

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Speaker 1: eighty to ninety percent of the coons have six rings.

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Speaker 1: When a raccoon is being pursued by the dogs and

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Speaker 1: But usually a good coon hunter knows his dogs locate,

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Speaker 1: mean we kind of just I mean, and I want

425
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 1: to say this too, because you know, we really do

426
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,360
Speaker 1: talk a lot about utilization of wild game meat. It's

427
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 1: like an essential part of hunting that makes it so valuable.

428
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: There's also and this falls within the amateurs of the

429
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: North American Mile of Wildlife Conservation to one of the

430
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: seven pillars of the North American Mile of Wildlife Conservation

431
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: is a non frivolous use of wildlife. So essentially there,

432
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: you know, there are these pillars that like guided North

433
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: American hunters to this place where wild game populations were

434
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: saved and ethics were solid, and so the idea is

435
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: that you don't just go shoot something just for fun

436
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 1: and leave it there. I mean, like that's bad news.

437
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: But non frivolous use with the type of coon hunting

438
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 1: that we're doing is depredation. I mean it's like removing

439
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:41,439
Speaker 1: an unnatural number of animals from the landscape for the

440
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: benefit of other wildlife and for the benevent of themselves.

441
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: Coon coon populations because there's so much unnatural food available

442
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 1: in just the landscape, you know, whether it be agriculture,

443
00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: cattle farming, whatever they're eating on, populations can just skyrocket,

444
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: and then raccoons get distemper and a bunch of different stuff,

445
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: and you can have these massive die offs which coon

446
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: hunters key into that stuff. I don't think we've had

447
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: one around here in a while. But so anyway, so

448
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: by hunting them, it helps them, and we harvest coons

449
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: for their fur. I mean, coons are a fur buried animal.

450
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 1: Legally they are. They are managed as a fur buried animal.

451
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 1: Like so just for anybody that was listening that wouldn't

452
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 1: understand this, a deer is not a fur buried animal

453
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 1: like you. Legal, by legal prescription, we have to harvest

454
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 1: all the meat off an animal. If you don't, you're

455
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: like getting fined, probably not going to jail. But I mean,

456
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 1: like there are stiff penalties for wanting what they call

457
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 1: wanton way. I mean, you can lose your ability to

458
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: continue to hunt. Yeah, and that's awesome. I mean, like

459
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: if you kill a deer, skin it and eat it. Yeah,

460
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: coon is different and that they're managed as furberry animals,

461
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 1: so you can harvest the hide and not harvest the meat,

462
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 1: same as a beaver or a muskrat or a bobcat

463
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 1: or coyote. So anyway, so it was cool, uh really

464
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 1: having coon cooked on purpose like the way we've eaten.

465
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: It was just kind of out in the field, like

466
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: I said, but it was really good and with all

467
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 1: this stuff with with the COVID nineteen coronavirus. Uh. I

468
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 1: watched this video today about the Wuhan wildlife market, which

469
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that the general population does not equate any

470
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: of that crazy stuff with what we're doing. And I

471
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: think it's relevant to talk about that because we're sitting

472
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: there talking about eating a raccoon, which is not most

473
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: people in this country don't eat rack. It's it's on

474
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: the fringe. So I want to be real clear, or

475
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that it's a that people aren't saying, hey,

476
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: wait a minute, these people in China that were eating

477
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: all these crazy critters are there not people that are

478
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: doing that here in North America talking about me and you.

479
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: This is way different than that I watched this morning.

480
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: The video of this wildlife market and Wuhan, China, it'll

481
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: blow your mind and it's hard to look at you

482
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: saw it. I mean they had like yeah, it was

483
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: they had like huge python snakes like cut into like

484
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: two foot sections. Did you see that? No? I haven't,

485
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: but I've seen I've seen wildlife meat market before. Well,

486
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: like it was just someone like walking through this Wuhan

487
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: market with a cell phone and like literally you can

488
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: imagine like this, one of these big pythons that's like

489
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: ten ft long and big rounds your leg. There was

490
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: just this bloody table with like two foot sections of pythons.

491
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: You'd go to the next table and there would be

492
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: a stack of dogs, dead dogs that had had the

493
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: hair burned off of them setting there. Uh, there were

494
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: these giant bats that had been skewered. There were there

495
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: and the wings cut off, like the wings were in

496
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: one pile and their bodies. I mean, it was bizarre.

497
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: And you know that that they say that's where this

498
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: coronavirus COVID nineteen originated. Was I think they're saying now

499
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: it came from a pangling. And so I was talking

500
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: to all this with Misty this morning. As I understand it,

501
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: it wasn't that they ate a pangling, because she was like,

502
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: well did they eat they eat? They ate that thing

503
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: and they got it, And I said, no, you can

504
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: eat anything in the world as long as it's cooked

505
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: well and you won't die. Yeah. Probably close close, Yeah,

506
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: I'm bouncing this off of you, like, I mean you

507
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 1: could probably, I would say most. I mean, like you

508
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: could eat a bat and if you had used sanitary

509
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: means two harvest, the harvest the meat, cook it, cook

510
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: it well done. There's no anything in it. Like you,

511
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,719
Speaker 1: I've got a plot pop out here that's just wearing

512
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: out something. Um, if you if you knew the if

513
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: you knew the potential for what that animal could be

514
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: carrying worst case scenario, and you cooked it according, cooked

515
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: it with a method that would that would negate that.

516
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: So you know, like I would not eat medium rare

517
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: coon meat because I very much believe because they eat

518
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: a very similar diet like a bear in there omnivorous,

519
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: there's the potential they could be carrying trickin noses for sure,

520
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: you know. But I'd eat any bear, any coon if

521
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: it was. It's not issue those things diet like at

522
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: five degrees and we cook almost all our food to

523
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: one sixty like minimum unless it's a rare steak. Anyway,

524
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: I told mist I was like, you need anything as

525
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: long as it's sanitary, the meat is not spoiled, and

526
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: it's cooked to the correct temperature and h And I

527
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: mean I think that market showed that. I said. The

528
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: problem from the research I've done this COVID nineteen stuff

529
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: was it was a live pangling and and humans got

530
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,479
Speaker 1: it from that, from a live one or from the

531
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: process of butchering it, because and and again there may

532
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: be more information that's better than this, but what I had,

533
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: what I read and heard was that, uh, that COVID

534
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:31,959
Speaker 1: nineteen virus panglings basically have exactly what we're now getting.

535
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: And so it was transmitted in one of those markets

536
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: where there was a live pangling. And UM, and whether

537
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: the person that was moving around the cage or the

538
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: person that killed it and skinned it got it on,

539
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: but they didn't get it from eating it. That's my

540
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: whole point. So you can eat anything. That's what I'm saying.

541
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: This is all relevant. UM. So we're gonna talk about

542
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: three things. I want to talk about the coon hunt

543
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: we went on last night. I want to hear your

544
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: perceptions of it because it was your first time to

545
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: hunt like that. UM. Ultimately, I want to get to

546
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: uh talking about a deal that y'all did. Uh. So

547
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: your brand is Black Duck Revival on Instagram, and that's

548
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: kind of that's kind of your brand. You've been on

549
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: the podcast before. You're an old veteran because people know

550
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: who you are. UM, but you you had a revival

551
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: where you had some people coming in from all over

552
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: the country. Some of them were pretty familiar with hunting,

553
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: some of them weren't. And we're not talking about this

554
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,239
Speaker 1: yet because we're talking about the count at first, but

555
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: we're gonna I want to talk about the revival because

556
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: y'all just did that. Um coon hunt. Um tell me

557
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: what what was like? What we do, what what was

558
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: what was like what you thought it would be and

559
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: what wasn't or or you know, just what was your perception? Like,

560
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: tell people what we did? And man, So we went

561
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: out to uh, some private land you had access to.

562
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: He's got most of that agriculture. It looked like cattle.

563
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: It was a cattle farm and uh, you know, we

564
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: pulled up there with a few buddies and your boy

565
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 1: Bear and we sat Jet and Fern out and they

566
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: ran around and sniffed and did some looking and it

567
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 1: was raining, yeah, kind of drizzling down, which is not opportune.

568
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: Like I told you, guys, most of the time, you

569
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: just don't go coon hunting training if it's If it's

570
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: raining and you're wanting to go deer hunting, you know,

571
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: you're probably like, well, maybe the deer will be moving,

572
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: but usually coon hunting, you would just stay home, but

573
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: you'd come up from little Rock or part of the

574
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: world and it was like, man, we gotta go. So

575
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: I wasn't too I wasn't really sure. I haven't hunted

576
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: in the rain, but it's just not that common. I

577
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: wasn't sure. I wasn't sure if the coons would be

578
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: stirring at all, and they've got to be stir for

579
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: the most part for them to be able to find one. Now,

580
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: they could tree a layup like we like, you got

581
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: the question right on the test, but usually they gotta

582
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 1: come out of trees and make some sense. But go ahead, man,

583
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: I So I would just say simply like overall, I

584
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: had a blast. I really enjoyed it. Um. It's interesting

585
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: because you know, I mostly associate hunting as like an

586
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: individual activity, and it's it's very different than that. I

587
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: associate hunting with being as quiet as possible, and it's

588
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: different than that. But I mean, I had a real blast.

589
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: I liked the dogs a lot. You know, I had

590
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: heard you talk about plots before, but you know, when

591
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 1: I'm a guy that I have dogs, I've I've got

592
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: a duck dog. Uh. I like the size of those dogs. Uh,

593
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: they have good personalities. I like the athleticism of them,

594
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: like when Jed was jumping up that tree. And really

595
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,720
Speaker 1: my thought I had, you know, I had two thoughts

596
00:35:55,800 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: about it is. I I thought one one that they

597
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: would just be making noise NonStop and it would drive

598
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: me crazy to be like underneath me just and that

599
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: wasn't the case at all, and it was. It was

600
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: actually so different than what I thought, because when you

601
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: did hear them, it was exciting, you know, and I

602
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 1: was like, let's get over there to him. Um. So

603
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 1: I loved all of that. And I mean I can

604
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: just see like I was already in my mind, I

605
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 1: was like, all right, I get one of these dogs.

606
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: Two more years, I could take the girls out. You

607
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: were talking about that, you know, you could have them

608
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 1: running squirrels in the day and tunes and night. And

609
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: as soon as you said that, I was like, man,

610
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna have to make it happen. You're you're counting.

611
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: It's almost dropped when you when you I saw when

612
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: you heard me say that, you were like, dog gone it.

613
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna have to get one. Yeah, I'm gonna

614
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 1: get one, and I'm gonna have to ask for forgiveness later. Um,

615
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: but no, I that that short experience, I can see

616
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: how folks can be all about that, and I could

617
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: see how I could transfer two to running uh you know,

618
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: like a big carnivore or because I guess a bears

619
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: bears a nominivore. I guess. But um, and I'll tell

620
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,760
Speaker 1: you something else. I was thinking about because I've trapped.

621
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 1: I don't know thirty coons in my life live trapped,

622
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: but mostly footholds, and I have mixed feelings about it ethically,

623
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: uh often, but my thought I'd had this thought last night.

624
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: I was like, this is more ethical to me, This

625
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: is more ethical than how I've been trapping records. Yeah,

626
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: because it was because you know, the outside perspective is

627
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 1: you think of this this coon being, this raccoon being terrified,

628
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: or this animal being terrified, which I'm I'm sure it is.

629
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,240
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's afraid, it's running, it's trying to stay alive.

630
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 1: But you know it got I mean they treat that.

631
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: They treat that first coon pretty quickly. We went over there,

632
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: dispatched it. Um. If it was me, I'd rather go

633
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: out that way than getting my hands stuck in a

634
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: steel trapping, maybe being there for you know, half a

635
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: day before the trap gets checked. Uh. Now, I'm not

636
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: saying that I think that trapping is unethical, but I

637
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,720
Speaker 1: think that I think all of this stuff we do.

638
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: I think that I think that thinking about the ethics

639
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: of it and allowing yourself to have a shift in

640
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: what's appropriate for you or what makes sense for you,

641
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: is that's a mindful way to go about it. So,

642
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying that I'll never trap another raccoon,

643
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 1: saying but I was. I really was. I had that thought.

644
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,720
Speaker 1: I was like, I I think I feel better about

645
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: killing this raccoon this way than the ways I've done

646
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: it before. That's interesting, say, I've never I would have

647
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 1: never were even thought about it from that way. But

648
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: and I guess a perception to that people have sometimes

649
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: is that when you tree a coon, that it's like

650
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: in some kind of trauma. Man, that that thing was

651
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: fifty sixty ft up in a tree. They don't move,

652
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: They're just sitting. I mean, they're just chilled out, like

653
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: they they have effectively used the biological mechanism that they

654
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:34,439
Speaker 1: have to escape escape predation. They have They've done it. Yeah,

655
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: they at rand A dogs climbed a tree. They're sitting

656
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: up there, happy as they can be. They're just like,

657
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: when's they When are these guys gonna leave? So I

658
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 1: can crawl back down go eating berries like it was before,

659
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: you know, And then obviously we interrupt that by taking them.

660
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: But but you see, like there's not there's really not trauma,

661
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, and and now they you know,

662
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, I have, I've thought about I still

663
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: I still continue to think about that because but you know,

664
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: here's I think this is kind of what it comes

665
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: down to play, is that there is there has to

666
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: be some acceptance as a hunter that you are that

667
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: you're affecting the lifespan of this animal, you know what

668
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: I mean? Uh? I actually don't. I don't usually say

669
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: that I harvested an animal because I think it's sometimes

670
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 1: it's it's almost disingenuous, like what I did was I

671
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: killed an animal. But there can be meaning and nuance

672
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: and beauty and nobility, and that if I go about

673
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: it in a way that is meaningful and nuanced and

674
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 1: authentic and full of consideration. Uh, it's the it's what

675
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: I bring to it. Uh, I don't. I don't feel

676
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: like I've done something wrong if I kill a deer,

677
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 1: But there could be way There are ways that I

678
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: could go about killing a deer that would be very

679
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: wrong to me, you know. Uh, the way that I

680
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 1: try and go about it, I don't feel guilty. Now.

681
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that I don't sometimes have kind of

682
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 1: like emotional pangs, uh, when when I'm hunting and I've

683
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: been successful. But to me, that's part of nuance and

684
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:26,240
Speaker 1: consideration and just being a participatory member of you know, society.

685
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: And Andrew and we talked about it, like, uh, And

686
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: I talked to a buddy of mine about this when

687
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: we were snow goose hunting, Like you would never I

688
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: think it would be rare to have to see a

689
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: picture of like five deer just piled on top of

690
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 1: each other on the tailgate of a truck. Like people

691
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: would find something bothersome about that. But that's exactly what

692
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: people do with ducks, you know what I mean. And

693
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: I was talking, I was like, why would why would

694
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,760
Speaker 1: the one be so bothersome or offensive to so many people?

695
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: But they don't feel that way about ducks, And it's

696
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 1: it's really a I think it's a it's a form

697
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: of specism. It's a way that people say that people

698
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:12,240
Speaker 1: that are completely against eating red meat will eat fish.

699
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: It's because it's so different from you that you can

700
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 1: compartmentalize it. You know, an insect, a fish, a bird,

701
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 1: these are very different than us. You start getting into

702
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 1: mammalian creatures, and we even talked about it, like a

703
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: raccoon is much more its face is more a motive

704
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 1: in a way we understand, than a deer is. You know.

705
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 1: So you start, you start wrastling arrest. I've been in

706
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: Arkansas a long time, man. You start wrestling with these

707
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: uh with these questions, and I think I think that

708
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 1: the the consideration and in the back and forth, that's

709
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: part of it, you know, that's that's part of you

710
00:42:54,160 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 1: being you, being completely immersed in it and allowing your

711
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: self to feel everything and think about everything and grow

712
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:09,720
Speaker 1: in wax and Wayne. You know, that's life. Yeah, that's life,

713
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: even in even when you are participating in an ending

714
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: sentient life. What what I'm hearing you say is that

715
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: as hunters, not even as hunters, let me back that up.

716
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: Let me back that way up. As humans, we the

717
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: reality of mankind is that our existence requires that we

718
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: inflict trauma on something. Uh, it requires that, I mean,

719
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 1: to be a human means that something has died to

720
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 1: give you a place to live. Now, whether I could

721
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,760
Speaker 1: go back all the way to you know some urban

722
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: person that says that's not true, Well, where you live

723
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 1: used to be wildlife habitat where you know the the

724
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: okay you're vegan, Well, the plants that you eat and

725
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 1: the fruit and vegetables that took wildlife habitat from you know,

726
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: that ground was cleared from what it once was. Continue

727
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 1: to perpetually end the existence. When you run a big

728
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,919
Speaker 1: combine through a field, you're grinding up birds. And yeah,

729
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: I heard Shane Mahoney the other days on a podcast

730
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 1: say that if all of North America went vegan, like

731
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 1: if if if all of a sudden, the President was

732
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 1: just like, you know what it is law, everyone will

733
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: be vegan. Now we're gonna shut down all hunting, all

734
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: meat production. They would have to clear a agricultural feel

735
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 1: that it's not one field, but you'd have to clear

736
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 1: enough space basically the size of Canada to feed all

737
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: of us. And so his whole point was is that

738
00:44:55,760 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 1: being being vegan is not the answer for saving in

739
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 1: actual animal life, because you would have to kill because

740
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: I mean, how many animals would you displaced if you

741
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: had agg the size of the country of Canada. That's

742
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 1: essentially what he said. And so you know, you would

743
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:16,280
Speaker 1: you would be extra preating bears and moose and caribou

744
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: and all the songbirds and all of this and all

745
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 1: of that and insects, and you'd be affecting you'd be

746
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: affecting the natural way in ways that we couldn't even fathom.

747
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,760
Speaker 1: You know, every time we try to get rid of something,

748
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: there's so there's so many repercussions that we could not anticipate. Uh,

749
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: we've we've just got to be as hut as we

750
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: just gotta be. Okay. Yeah, So we're talking about like

751
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: the evaluating like the trauma like this, like a coon

752
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 1: would have, like being in a trap or being in

753
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,720
Speaker 1: a tree treated by dogs. And essentially what we're saying

754
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: is that we have evaluated that and we're okay with

755
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: with that. I mean, that's what we're saying, you know,

756
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: And we're not an ethical and ethical hunter, A thoughtful hunter,

757
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 1: a thoughtful human is going to do everything, whether than

758
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: his power, to minimize any kind of suffering or trauma.

759
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 1: I mean that that is what the modern North American

760
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: sportsman does. And but we know that we you know,

761
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: we've got a goals. We went hunting last night, and

762
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: our goals to kill a coon. Yeah, and you know,

763
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 1: but I think too, is that it? With all that

764
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: being said, I think it's okay to change your position.

765
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: I think actually, um, to me, a real mark of

766
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: an intelligent person is that they are willing to change

767
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: their positions on stuff. And sometimes your position on on

768
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: on something changes situationally, you know. Uh, Like when I

769
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 1: first started hunting deer, I I hunted deer uh several

770
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 1: times over bait. And while I understand the absolute necessity

771
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: in many places to use bait as a way to

772
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: harvest or kill enough dear to manage the population, I've

773
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: decided for me, as a personal choice that that's not

774
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: what I'm looking for. It's okay that I changed in

775
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: in that pursuit. Yeah, It's it's all right to have

776
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 1: a paradigm shift. Uh. That's what intelligent and thoughtful people

777
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: do because as you pull in more information and as

778
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 1: you immerse yourself and experiences, you find what's right for you.

779
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: So I just want to say that because I think

780
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 1: sometimes people think I did it this way, and that's

781
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: why I'm always gonna do it. I've met lots of

782
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: people that have, you know, killed a bear or killed

783
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,280
Speaker 1: two bears, and then they decide that, for whatever reason,

784
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: they don't want to anymore. And that doesn't mean that

785
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: they're indicting everyone who's hunting bears. They're making a personal

786
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: choice for themselves. Or they say maybe they had killed

787
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 1: a couple of bears in the ozarks On family landover bait,

788
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: and then they decided that what they're looking for out

789
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: of hunting is gonna necessitate them going someplace else and

790
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,280
Speaker 1: trying it a different way, or they want to see

791
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: they want to see and hunting a part of the

792
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: country that doesn't allow baiting for whatever those management reasons are,

793
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,760
Speaker 1: and so to get what they want out of that experience.

794
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: Because like we talked about last night, before we hunt it,

795
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 1: I'm not just hunting for food, you know. I'm I'm

796
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 1: hunting as a as a really at its core, as

797
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: an ex exstential examination of my existence, and my understanding

798
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: of that is going to change as I learn more

799
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: as a mature, as I meet different people as I

800
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:38,399
Speaker 1: have different experiences. So anyway, Yeah, that's good man, that's good.

801
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 1: You know what you said about like gives an example

802
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 1: of like Arkansas hunting over bright That's that's essentially what

803
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: I'm doing and have done for a long time. I

804
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 1: didn't kill the bear over bait in Arkansas. Actually since

805
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: two thousand, uh, two thousand six, it's been a long time. Yeah,

806
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 1: I will kill a bear over bait in Oklahoma. Though different.

807
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 1: It's it's it's goes back to that personal like this

808
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: personal thing inside of you. In Oklahoma, the access that

809
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: I have, the property, the distance it is to drive

810
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: my goals over there, because you know, we've got some

811
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 1: good places where you can take some big bears. I'll

812
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: hunt over bait in Oklahoma. In Arkansas, I have not

813
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: killed a bear over bait in Arkansas. I think it's

814
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:30,720
Speaker 1: two thousand six, uh. And people wouldn't know that unless

815
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: they're really paying attention. I mean now I've I've killed

816
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: bears over bait in Canada and you know, lots of

817
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,800
Speaker 1: different stuff. But yeah, pretty much in Arkansas, I'm interested

818
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,240
Speaker 1: in killing them in the National Forest. I'm not saying

819
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: that I won't do something different at some point. But uh,

820
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 1: you know, next year I may decide I want to

821
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: take one over Bait in Arkansas. But now we gotta

822
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 1: we gotta evaluate. We gotta evaluate ourselves constantly. I think

823
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: that's what I like it. I like it, man, I

824
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 1: like it. Um. What did uh? So you listen to

825
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: our podcast with Roy clark Um with the Bear the

826
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 1: Hound Hunting with Bears. What was your impression of all that? Well? Yeah,

827
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 1: we were talking about on the phone and I told

828
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: you that I thought you were doing some some really

829
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,839
Speaker 1: good work, like some low MAXI And I'm just gonna

830
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: ask you what. I don't even know what that means.

831
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 1: I don't know who that is, uh Lomax? So, Alan Lomax?

832
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 1: Did I want to say it was some I think

833
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: it was. I want to say it was funny about

834
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: like the w p A, like the Works Progress Administration.

835
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: Uh you know one of the it was a. It

836
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 1: was an economic incentive after the Great Depression. There were

837
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: Works Progress Administration projects like building roads and forestry. Uh uh,

838
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 1: roads and roads and cities and painting post offices all

839
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 1: over the country and all sorts of different things. But

840
00:50:55,760 --> 00:51:00,320
Speaker 1: this guy took a recorder largely through the Eric and

841
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: South and recorded like old blues musicians. UM asked them

842
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: about their experiences, you know, talk to people that had

843
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: uh that were old enough that they had grown up

844
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: in slavery or their parents had been slaves and recorded

845
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: their music and recorded interviews with him and stuff. And

846
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 1: I was struck by what you were doing in that

847
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: interview because I mean we were talking about like there's

848
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: the cadence of his voice and the words he used

849
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: and his diction, like that's probably a dying thing. You know,

850
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: there's in fifty years, there's gonna be very few people

851
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: that sound exactly like he does, you know. And he's

852
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 1: he's also bringing generational knowledge from what bear hunting was like,

853
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: you know, fifty years ago to what it's like now.

854
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 1: You're talking about before GPS collars, all the stuff you

855
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 1: see on videos like that wasn't there. He was tramping

856
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 1: through the Appalachian Mountains. He's over in the Appalachian. Yeah,

857
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: he's tramping through their finding you know. He said that,

858
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: you know, you might have to be out there all

859
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 1: night trying to get your dogs. I just thought it

860
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: was I thought it was really neat and and interesting.

861
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 1: I I I enjoyed because like even the guys that

862
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: I guess, the guys that he had been taken out,

863
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 1: that had grown up going out with him, they're probably

864
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 1: around our age. Yeah, that most of those guys were

865
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 1: in their thirties. Yeah, and they they they exist in

866
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: a very different world than he was in at that age.

867
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 1: You know. Uh, the use of technology, the way they speak,

868
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 1: all of that is going to be very different. Excuse me,

869
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 1: and so I just thought it was really important and

870
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: interesting two to put that information in a time cancule. Yeah, yeah,

871
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 1: me too. You know, there's there's not a lot of people. Boy,

872
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 1: it's it's hard. It's hard to even understand what I'm

873
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: trying to say, because there's there's there's lots of people

874
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: that bear hunt with hounds over in the in Tennessee,

875
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 1: all over in that part of the world, but there's

876
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of people that are as ingrained

877
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 1: in it from a lifestyle perspective as him. Um, And

878
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:18,760
Speaker 1: I don't think you could even do that in modern

879
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: times and still be a functional human unless you were

880
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 1: exponentially wealthy. I mean, it's like it's almost like he

881
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: he voted, He's devoted his life to bear hun with hounds,

882
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: I mean he has and U I mean, and guys

883
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 1: still do that. I don't want to say that. Those

884
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 1: guys listening to this right now that I mean are

885
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 1: are as hard accore is as possible for human be

886
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:42,359
Speaker 1: when it comes to that kind of stuff. But he

887
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: is a he's a relic. He's kind of a relic,

888
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 1: and even more about more about him than just the

889
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: way he handles his dogs and his dogs and stuff.

890
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: He's he's he's kind of a relic. He really is.

891
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,879
Speaker 1: I was talking to a guy. Well, I don't want

892
00:53:54,880 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: to give away the next podcast. Um, actually, yeah, I

893
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 1: was talking to Brooks Blevins. I think we're gonna release

894
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: this podcast. His podcast before we did a podcast with

895
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 1: Brooks Blevins, this Ozark Historians and uh. And he gave

896
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 1: examples of how people always do what we're doing with

897
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: Roy Clark, like Sam Man, he's the last of a

898
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 1: dying breed. When he's gone, that's gonna be gone. And

899
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 1: he gave examples of even back in the eighteen hundreds,

900
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 1: how writers did that with people. And you know, so

901
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: he's like there's always there's always something that is really

902
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,720
Speaker 1: unique that is probably going to be lost and probably

903
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: will that you move on, and he described he was

904
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:42,879
Speaker 1: sitting there talking to me and said, you know, one

905
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: day what you're doing will be like that, like people

906
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 1: talk about you like anyone saying Clay Nucomb. He was

907
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: just he was just saying, we're doing stuff now that

908
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 1: people will kind of have the same feelings about interesting.

909
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 1: But it's, man, it is so important. Like we talked

910
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: the other day about this fox Fire Chronicle books, uh,

911
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 1: and you know, someone did something very similar in the

912
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: sixties and seventies and went to Appalachia and talk to people.

913
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 1: And there's stuff in those books that, like we were

914
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: talking about, like how you catch a possum and feed

915
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 1: him on corn bread and milk to clean them out,

916
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: or the uh using a green stick to skin a

917
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 1: coon tail or even stuff like how to make a

918
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: wooden wagon wheel is in those books because those people

919
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: were relicus in the sixties. But it's weird to think

920
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 1: that the sixties were sixty years ago, you know what

921
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 1: I mean, You've got multiple generations since then, And I

922
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 1: just think that stuff like that is so important because

923
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,320
Speaker 1: you know, and you did it different yesterday than I

924
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 1: had seen it. I've always split a green stick halfway

925
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: between and then pinched the tail between that. Yeah. Uh,

926
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 1: but I see what you're saying that that would be

927
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:59,479
Speaker 1: if I hadn't read that in a fox Fire Chronicle book,

928
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,760
Speaker 1: you know, twelve years ago before I had ever even hunted,

929
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 1: like I wouldn't I wouldn't know that. And I guarantee

930
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 1: you I show it to my girls, you know. And

931
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:11,919
Speaker 1: so they're using they're going to be using information that's

932
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 1: really probably hundreds of years old when they do that. Uh.

933
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 1: And there's there's value in that there. There really is

934
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 1: a lot of value in that pretty unique stuff. Unique stuff. Um, hey,

935
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 1: tell me about tell me about the revival. Okay, are

936
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 1: we ready to jump to there? Yeah? Yeah, we can

937
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 1: do anything else to say about the hound stuff. No, man,

938
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 1: I thought it was I thought it was really cool.

939
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:42,839
Speaker 1: I'm I hope to be able to do it again. Uh.

940
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 1: And yeah, man, I, like I said, I've tried hunting

941
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:53,320
Speaker 1: different things in different ways, and they don't all resonate

942
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: with me, you know. And I think that as long

943
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: as people are being ethical and thoughtful and legal about

944
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: what they're doing, there's room for people to do things

945
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 1: different ways. Now. I do think it's important that as

946
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,839
Speaker 1: individuals we find what's right for us, but that could

947
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 1: be extrapolated into any aspect of your life. That could

948
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: be your marriage, or how you raise your children, or

949
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 1: the kind of car you drive. Uh. I think if

950
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 1: you're thoughtful about it and you're willing to change your

951
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 1: opinion on it based on new evidence and new experiences,

952
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: then you're doing it right. Yeah. Man, I enjoyed it.

953
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: That's a good I like what you said there, And

954
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 1: it kind of goes back to that individual thing like

955
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 1: if you can't explain with a clear conscience to somebody

956
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: why you do what you do, you probably shouldn't be

957
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: doing it, you know, Like even like me hunting over bait,

958
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 1: Like people have heard me talk about hunting over bait

959
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 1: and they're kind of like, oh, I get it, and

960
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 1: it's I think it's because the way I talk about

961
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: it is the way I think about it, and it's

962
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: like I've thought about it, and I have reasons and

963
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: and you know, I guess I could be applied in anywhere,

964
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: like if you can hunting deer over a corn pile

965
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 1: and be able to look a non hunter in the

966
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 1: eye and truly tell them why you do that, which

967
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: is from a sincere place, man, I've got. I can

968
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 1: only hunt on weekends. It's perfectly legal. I can be

969
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 1: selective in the animals are harvest it's efficient. I can

970
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: get the animal to come right in. It's not walking.

971
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a million reasons why hunting over polo

972
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 1: corn it's gonna be legitimate. It's exponentially more honest and

973
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:31,439
Speaker 1: interactional than going to the grocery store and getting some

974
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 1: you know, commercially raised protein. Uh. And I will say

975
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 1: this because I think that we get folks get caught

976
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 1: up in us and them whatever that might be. I

977
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 1: have met very few people, Like most of the people

978
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 1: that I, you know, hang out with, i'm friends with.

979
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 1: And that's kind of changing because I'm getting a broader

980
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 1: friend group, but just traditionally, like I'm really about the

981
00:58:57,120 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 1: only one who hunts. But it's very very very rare

982
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 1: that I can't communicate to someone that doesn't why I

983
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: do and them not look at it as a positive.

984
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:12,439
Speaker 1: It really is. I have not had I've like, there's

985
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 1: really only been one person that just thought I was

986
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 1: a scumbag and kind of stopped being my friend because

987
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 1: I started hunting. Yeah, but almost everybody else is understands it,

988
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 1: and I've seen people. I've seen people get past just

989
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 1: tolerating it into enjoying it and appreciating it. You know,

990
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 1: maybe they don't want to do it, Like my dad

991
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 1: has no interest in hunting, but my dad likes that

992
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 1: I bring him venison every year, you know, and he uh.

993
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: You know, the statistics that I've read, most recent statistics

994
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: about the general population of the US, like the high

995
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: seventies percentage wise, like seventy something. The eight percent of

996
00:59:56,600 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 1: people approve of modern hunting if it's for food than

997
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 1: the animals utilized. Like most people are okay with us

998
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 1: hunting absolutely. I mean, I grew up in a house

999
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 1: where we didn't have guns. I wasn't allowed to have

1000
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 1: water guns until I was ten years old. I remember

1001
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 1: the first time I ever saw I saw my grandpa's

1002
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 1: dear rifle in a closet when I was like six,

1003
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 1: and I shook with terror and sobbed. Did you really, oh? Man?

1004
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 1: I was terrified. I wish that was that gun was

1005
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 1: still around and I'd love to have it. But so

1006
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 1: I'm coming from that background, but it's still like my

1007
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 1: mom was not hostile towards hunters. What I always heard

1008
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 1: was as long as they eat what they're killing, it's fine. Yeah,

1009
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 1: you know, and so and that's what's encouraging, you know,

1010
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: when I read the stat just a few weeks ago, well,

1011
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 1: no longer than that. But sometimes I, especially being in

1012
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 1: the bear hunting world, I get this perception that everybody's

1013
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 1: against me, Like I kind of have that persecution mentality,

1014
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 1: and and and I think in bear hunting we have

1015
01:00:56,200 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 1: a unique challenge in that, uh, most people just automatically

1016
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 1: think that someone's killing bear and eating it. And so

1017
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 1: we're showing people, yeah we are. And it's actually we're

1018
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 1: not just doing it too just because we have to.

1019
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 1: We are. I mean, bear meat is incredible. I mean,

1020
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 1: we we were living off the stuff. So we're we're

1021
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 1: we're uh, you know, it's encouraging to me to see

1022
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 1: that that's that people are are approval of it, approving

1023
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: of it. I really do think that most people are.

1024
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 1: And you know, it's just like anything else. Uh, often

1025
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 1: the loudest people are are on the fringes and whatever

1026
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 1: whatever you want to talk about, you know. Uh, and

1027
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 1: so those might be those might be the folks that

1028
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 1: you're hearing a lot from. But yeah, I have. I

1029
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 1: really have had. I've had largely positive experiences introducing people

1030
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 1: to it. Uh And I'd even say that there's people

1031
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 1: in my life that had no experience with it when

1032
01:01:57,520 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 1: I started hunting, you know, ten years ago, and that

1033
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 1: how they get a sense of pride from the fact

1034
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 1: that I do it like it's really it's really moved

1035
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 1: to that positions. That's good. But anyway, so the real so, uh,

1036
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 1: you know, I got this place in Brinkley, Arkansas called

1037
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 1: Black Duck Revival, and I you know, people ask me

1038
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 1: all the time, like, you know, what is your brand?

1039
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 1: What are you trying to do with it? And I'm

1040
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 1: not quite sure that I have the right answer for

1041
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 1: you yet. I'm I'm hoping in the coming months to

1042
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 1: really be able to to solidify that. But what I

1043
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 1: did know is that I wanted I wanted to use

1044
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 1: it as a way to facilitate discussion. So what I

1045
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 1: did was just you know, through social media Instagram, I

1046
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 1: found a few people that I thought, we're really interesting

1047
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 1: and I go back to this word of nuance. It's

1048
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 1: really important to me. They were interesting and nuanced and

1049
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 1: intelligent and thought provoking, and they were coming from different

1050
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 1: backgrounds and different experiences, and so I invited a few

1051
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 1: people to come down to Brinkley. We hunted, uh, speckled

1052
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 1: le geese, we're hunted mallards in the timber and we

1053
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 1: just spent time together. We cooked wild game meals together,

1054
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 1: we ate and we just talked about our different experiences.

1055
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 1: And we had women, we had people of color, We

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01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 1: had folks that have been hunting for a long time,

1057
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 1: had been in the hunting industry for a long time.

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01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 1: We had folks that had only been doing it for

1059
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 1: a couple of years. Uh, And we just we just

1060
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 1: kind of came together and and hung out and cooked

1061
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 1: and hunted and learned from each other. And man, it

1062
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 1: was when it was all said and done, it was

1063
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 1: everything I could have hoped it would have been. You know,

1064
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 1: it was. It was super cool and super fun. We

1065
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 1: had some good hunts, which you know, that's kind of

1066
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 1: like if you're there to hunt, that's a social lubricant

1067
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 1: is having some productive hunts. Uh. I got to kind

1068
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:51,120
Speaker 1: of feel like an ambassador for how I hunt and

1069
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 1: where I hunt and where I live because the people

1070
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 1: that I brought in were from Colorado. Had to uh,

1071
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:01,439
Speaker 1: two ladies from Colorado. I had a guy from fulsome California,

1072
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 1: you know, like them coming to Arkansas was it was

1073
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 1: something different, and you know, some of them came with

1074
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 1: preconceived notions and and stereotypes and and thoughts about what

1075
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 1: it was gonna be and you know, and just and everything.

1076
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 1: There are some truths to that, and there are differences

1077
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 1: between there's big differences between Brinkley, Arkansas and Denver, Colorado.

1078
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 1: But man, it was just so productive and and and

1079
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 1: so positive and it's it really solidified in my mind

1080
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 1: that that's an event that I wanna do every year.

1081
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try and get a little bit bigger and

1082
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 1: have a few more people, uh this next year. And uh,

1083
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 1: we did some film and Brent Reeves from Drift Driftless

1084
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:45,920
Speaker 1: Media or No Reckless Drift Media, he did some filming

1085
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 1: for us and we're gonna have a video coming out

1086
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:50,040
Speaker 1: kind of talking about it and showing some folks what

1087
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 1: we did. But man, it was just a blast finish.

1088
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 1: Oh take your time, brand, it's all right, let's talk

1089
01:04:56,480 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 1: to But man, it was it. It was really a

1090
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:06,920
Speaker 1: uh uh. Courtney Nicholson who came. She she works for

1091
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 1: Hunt to Eat that a lot of people are probably

1092
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 1: familiar with. She used the term that I thought was

1093
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 1: so apropos, which she said it was soul filling. That's

1094
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 1: really like I felt like I came out of it,

1095
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 1: you know, richer and uh Like, I took Courtney and

1096
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 1: Crystal Edgley, they had a little time before they had

1097
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 1: to catch her plane. I took him to my house

1098
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 1: and introduced him to my wife and my daughters, and

1099
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 1: you know, we've kind of continued the friendship. And Yester,

1100
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:35,160
Speaker 1: can you tell who was there and what they do? Courtney,

1101
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:37,920
Speaker 1: Courtney Nicholson works for a Hunt to Eat, which is

1102
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:41,520
Speaker 1: like everyone's seeing their t shirts. Uh, she's been in

1103
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 1: the she's been like kind of in the hunting industry

1104
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:47,880
Speaker 1: probably for the last decade. Super cool lady, really intelligent.

1105
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 1: Uh she's got a real strong background and like film

1106
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 1: and videography and just I just can't say enough good

1107
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 1: stuff about her. And then there was a Crystal Egley

1108
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 1: who works for that. She's a videographer for the Colorado

1109
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 1: dn R And she's actually right now being featured on

1110
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 1: a on a video series are doing called My First

1111
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:11,120
Speaker 1: Big Game Hunt And uh man, Crystal is a super

1112
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 1: strong personality, really committed to the things that are important

1113
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:19,120
Speaker 1: about her. She kind of pushed me a little bit

1114
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 1: and stretched my you know, she kind of challenged me

1115
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 1: in a couple of ways, but in such an awesome

1116
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:28,960
Speaker 1: and positive way. And I think so highly of her.

1117
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 1: And she's doing really cool, interesting stuff as far as

1118
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 1: promoting hunting in the outdoors, you know, to people that

1119
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:39,479
Speaker 1: might not kind of traditionally fit in that. So she's

1120
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:42,120
Speaker 1: a she's by racial, she's a person of color, she's

1121
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:45,240
Speaker 1: a woman. She you know, lives in the middle of

1122
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 1: Denver and she's still wrestling with you know, what she's

1123
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:51,840
Speaker 1: comfortable with and getting over kind of maybe like a

1124
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:55,120
Speaker 1: fear of firearms and just doing so much really awesome

1125
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 1: cool stuff. And then, uh, the other guys named Brandon

1126
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 1: Goodwin on Instagram, he goes by the hunting Student. He's

1127
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:04,920
Speaker 1: a guy that came to hunting I think just a

1128
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 1: few years ago. You know, he's a northern California guy.

1129
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:11,920
Speaker 1: He grew up snowboarding and skiing, and he he just

1130
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 1: found you know, he found purpose in hunting and doing

1131
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 1: a very different style of hunting than I do. Like

1132
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 1: he's a Western hunter, you know, like the first deer

1133
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:25,400
Speaker 1: he ever killed was a big Mule deer Um. I

1134
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 1: think that was his past year. And he really focuses

1135
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 1: on kind of connecting other people in the hunting community. So,

1136
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 1: I mean he does produce content, but he's really good

1137
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:38,920
Speaker 1: about Like on Fridays he does like a wild game

1138
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:42,960
Speaker 1: uh recipe thing where he brings all these awesome wild

1139
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 1: game dishes that people are posting all over the Internet

1140
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:48,640
Speaker 1: and puts them out there for people to see. Uh.

1141
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 1: He's just kind of I think of Brandon is like

1142
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 1: just a conduit and a facilitator. Uh. And then we

1143
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:57,200
Speaker 1: had like my buddy Ben Batton came through. He's a

1144
01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:59,919
Speaker 1: chief of the Arkansas Game and Fish. We had Brent there,

1145
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 1: who's just got a ton of interesting knowledge and experience.

1146
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 1: It was a professional duck guide for like twenty five years.

1147
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:10,640
Speaker 1: And so those are those were kind of like we had.

1148
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 1: We had a couple other I had some friends of

1149
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:14,560
Speaker 1: mine come through, like my buddy Nate, who the guy

1150
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 1: who taught me how to bow hunt. I got to

1151
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 1: have him on a spec of belly hunt. My buddy Kent,

1152
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:20,799
Speaker 1: who's you know it used to be he's a welder.

1153
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:22,800
Speaker 1: He used to be kind of like a semipro skateboarder.

1154
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 1: He came in hunted with us. So it was just

1155
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:28,479
Speaker 1: like kind of a really cool motley crew of people

1156
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:33,240
Speaker 1: from disparate backgrounds that that that we're able to see

1157
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 1: what they had in common, and what we had in

1158
01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 1: common was way more than just hunting. That hunting was

1159
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:42,280
Speaker 1: just the way that kind of brought us together. And

1160
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:45,800
Speaker 1: then we could see all these similarities and and strengths

1161
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:49,360
Speaker 1: of each other. And like I said, Nuance, and I

1162
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm kind of talking in the circular nature now,

1163
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 1: but man, it was awesome. How long How long did

1164
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,559
Speaker 1: y'all we're all together to? Three days? Yeah? Three days?

1165
01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:58,640
Speaker 1: Three days. They came down like on a Thursday afternoon,

1166
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 1: we hunted Friday's Saturday Sunday, and then they went back

1167
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:07,720
Speaker 1: on Sunday evening. That's cool, man, that's cool. Well, I

1168
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:11,280
Speaker 1: look forward to, uh to see in whatever kind of

1169
01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 1: video content you guys produce out of that. Yeah. No,

1170
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 1: I mean I've seen a little bit of preliminary stuff

1171
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 1: and it's cool. I think it's gonna be I think

1172
01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 1: it's gonna be neat. I got to Brent was real

1173
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:22,000
Speaker 1: cool with working with me, and he let me do

1174
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:26,280
Speaker 1: the music for it, So hopefully that kind of I'm

1175
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 1: hoping that, you know, if I'm talking and we're doing

1176
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:30,720
Speaker 1: this event and we're kind of showing my vision for

1177
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:32,920
Speaker 1: stuff and then I made the music for it, that

1178
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:35,200
Speaker 1: it it really kind of lends itself to like a

1179
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:40,080
Speaker 1: holistic product and very representational of just kind of my

1180
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:48,680
Speaker 1: ideas on stuff. Well, um, the the Black Bear Bonanza.

1181
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:51,520
Speaker 1: You were gonna come to the Bear Bonanza, weren't you. Yeah,

1182
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 1: well I've ad and told you yet, but I was

1183
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:58,639
Speaker 1: gonna see if you'd be on the live podcast We're

1184
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:02,160
Speaker 1: gonna do because we're gonna have like, uh, we're gonna

1185
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 1: have like we were gonna have six guys and we

1186
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:10,920
Speaker 1: were going to we were gonna talk about all things

1187
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:15,800
Speaker 1: bear hunting in Arkansas, Oklahoma and uh and you last

1188
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:19,760
Speaker 1: year spent a lot of time trying to kill bear

1189
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:23,680
Speaker 1: and National Forest. Yeah. I tried, and I mean I

1190
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 1: was not successful, but um, and that's kind of what

1191
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:29,760
Speaker 1: brought us together, just talking about your hunting. So we

1192
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:32,920
Speaker 1: know you're a waterfowl guy. We know you're you know,

1193
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:37,479
Speaker 1: so Arkansas is like divided between the Arkansas Highlands, which

1194
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:40,280
Speaker 1: would be kind of in the northwestern section of Arkansas

1195
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 1: if you divided the whole state and then the Delta,

1196
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:46,639
Speaker 1: the Southeast Delta, which would be world renowned waterfowl hunting

1197
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:50,479
Speaker 1: and agricultural land pretty much. And so you're living more

1198
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:53,360
Speaker 1: down the delta. So you you've kind of made your

1199
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:56,240
Speaker 1: living down there in the duck world and deer hunting

1200
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:59,559
Speaker 1: world down there. So last year you you started coming

1201
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 1: up into the National Forest in the Highlands of Arkansas,

1202
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 1: and I was in. You worked hard, man, and uh

1203
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 1: learned a time, didn't you. And I found, you know,

1204
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:19,559
Speaker 1: I finally found a pile of fresh bear sign and uh,

1205
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:21,400
Speaker 1: that was really kind of my trophy for the like,

1206
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:23,439
Speaker 1: this is a weird thing, but I'm actually gonna frame

1207
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:25,479
Speaker 1: I'm gonna frame a picture of this big pile of

1208
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 1: bear scat I found, because that was I kept saying,

1209
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 1: that is why you're on this podcast. You are framing

1210
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:33,680
Speaker 1: a picture of bear scat. Well, you know it was

1211
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:37,720
Speaker 1: and you know we talked on the phone. Uh when

1212
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:39,519
Speaker 1: I found that you were I think you were just

1213
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 1: landed in Montana and you were super generous and talked

1214
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:43,640
Speaker 1: on the phone and me give me some advice for

1215
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:46,960
Speaker 1: like an hour. But that I want to say that

1216
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 1: that couple of days was the highlight of my hunting year.

1217
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:55,880
Speaker 1: It really was, because it was hard and the information

1218
01:11:55,920 --> 01:12:01,760
Speaker 1: I gathered was was well was well learned. And but

1219
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:03,640
Speaker 1: now I've got it. And like I told you the

1220
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:07,880
Speaker 1: other day, like I still think about ducks all the time,

1221
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:12,040
Speaker 1: but I think about getting a black bear every single day.

1222
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 1: I think about where I can find it down there

1223
01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:16,760
Speaker 1: in the bottom of that holler, and you know where

1224
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:20,720
Speaker 1: I'm hunting that, and uh, I think that I can

1225
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:23,960
Speaker 1: be way more successful. I mean, like, honestly, I've still

1226
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 1: never seen a bear in the woods, you know what

1227
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:29,759
Speaker 1: I mean. So I'm kind of I'm kind of looking

1228
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 1: for the first bear I see is be the bear

1229
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:34,720
Speaker 1: that I kill, Which is a weird kind of dichotomy

1230
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:36,640
Speaker 1: to think about as well. That's a weird would be

1231
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:39,240
Speaker 1: kind of a weird kind of hunt, wouldn't it if

1232
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:41,599
Speaker 1: you think about it, Because like when you're deer hunting,

1233
01:12:41,640 --> 01:12:44,360
Speaker 1: I guess it's possible for somebody that's a deer hunter

1234
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:46,080
Speaker 1: to kill the first dear they see. But if you're

1235
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:51,560
Speaker 1: like a really dedicated deer hunter, well that's not the

1236
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:53,560
Speaker 1: way to say it. It would be cool if you

1237
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 1: kill the probably have seen deer out in the field

1238
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 1: or something. You know. Yeah, if you're a duck hunter,

1239
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:03,439
Speaker 1: you've seen ducks before. So yeah, I've never seen a

1240
01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:07,480
Speaker 1: bear in the woods. Uh. But I'm I'm just fascinated

1241
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:10,559
Speaker 1: by them. I I think they're incredibly interesting. I think

1242
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:16,280
Speaker 1: the story in Arkansas about them is fascinating and and

1243
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 1: I think it's amazing too. Because if I am successful,

1244
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:21,840
Speaker 1: and you know I'm this year, I'm gonna try and

1245
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 1: do it with a recurve. But if I'm successful and

1246
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:25,519
Speaker 1: I can kill a bear down in the bottom of

1247
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:29,679
Speaker 1: that holler, then getting that bear out of there will

1248
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:33,000
Speaker 1: be an endurance test on it by its own right,

1249
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:38,960
Speaker 1: you know. So when I I know eventually I'll be successful,

1250
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:41,519
Speaker 1: it will be steeped in so much meaning to me.

1251
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:46,400
Speaker 1: You know that in a in a way you almost

1252
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:48,000
Speaker 1: don't want it to happen yet because you want to

1253
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:51,320
Speaker 1: keep drawing it out. But I feel like I feel

1254
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:54,479
Speaker 1: like I busted hump hard enough that I'll be all

1255
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 1: right with with being successful eventually. Man, I tip my

1256
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:01,240
Speaker 1: hat to a big time for the amount of effort

1257
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:03,280
Speaker 1: that you put into it and your your mind frame

1258
01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:09,120
Speaker 1: is perfect, I mean, because that's that's the way. That's

1259
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:12,320
Speaker 1: the way I think about bear hunting the National Forest

1260
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:16,439
Speaker 1: here in Arkansas every single year. You know, it's almost

1261
01:14:16,479 --> 01:14:18,720
Speaker 1: like on a micro scale. You're you're looking at this

1262
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:23,840
Speaker 1: now from like a you know, a career bear hunting deal.

1263
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 1: You know, if you've never killed one, you're trying to

1264
01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 1: kill one. Doesn't matter when it happens, but eventually it's

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01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:30,120
Speaker 1: gonna happen. Like you know, now, I'm kind of like

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01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:34,599
Speaker 1: seasoned by season thinking like that, you know, and it's, uh,

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01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:37,559
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't go out and be discouraged by

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01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:41,120
Speaker 1: lack of success, if you know what I mean, Well,

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01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:43,599
Speaker 1: if you can't, you can't because if you go out

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01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:46,760
Speaker 1: one day and don't find a single speck of a

1271
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:50,240
Speaker 1: bear sign of any kind, that should actually encourage you

1272
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:53,559
Speaker 1: because you have eliminated a big section off the map

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01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:56,720
Speaker 1: and you are one step closer to the day when

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01:14:56,760 --> 01:14:58,920
Speaker 1: you do find bear sign. I mean, that's the way

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01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:01,000
Speaker 1: I think about it. Well, I would I would say

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01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:02,679
Speaker 1: that in a different way. It's I think it's about

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01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:06,559
Speaker 1: reframing what's your defognition of successes, Like I did not

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01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:10,320
Speaker 1: kill a bear last year, I'm still never eating bear meat,

1279
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:13,760
Speaker 1: but I can tell the difference between a log that

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01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 1: was ripped up by an armadillo or just rotted away,

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01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:19,559
Speaker 1: and what's been ripped up by a bear. I can

1282
01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:22,960
Speaker 1: I know for sure what bear scot looks like, and

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01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:26,480
Speaker 1: if they're eating black gum or if they're eating acorns.

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01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:29,200
Speaker 1: I didn't know what black gum was before last year.

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01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:30,760
Speaker 1: You know. I had never been in the watch A

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01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:33,719
Speaker 1: Tall Mountains really before. And I was telling you about

1287
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:36,840
Speaker 1: like finding coon tracks and the algae and little watch

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01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:39,680
Speaker 1: Tall mountain. Uh, just a little pool of water there

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01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:43,439
Speaker 1: and on the side of a mountain. Um. I didn't know.

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01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:47,759
Speaker 1: I really didn't know if I could crawl down thousands

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01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:49,640
Speaker 1: of feet down in the bottom of that holler and

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01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:52,040
Speaker 1: come back out of it. And not only did I

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01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:54,080
Speaker 1: figure out I could do it. Like I told you,

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01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:57,280
Speaker 1: I was driving multiple hours in the morning to go hunt.

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01:15:57,320 --> 01:16:00,320
Speaker 1: I'd hunt all day, I'd drive home in I'm gonna

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01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:02,320
Speaker 1: get the kids to sleep, I'd sleep a few hours,

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01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:03,720
Speaker 1: and I do it again. I did like five days

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01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 1: in a row one week, you know. So I now

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01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:08,880
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do that next year. I'm gonna take

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01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:11,200
Speaker 1: the first week of both season off and just stay

1301
01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:15,800
Speaker 1: but every single day I was learning something about the

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01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:21,080
Speaker 1: world around me and about myself. So that success. Yeah, yeah,

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01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:27,680
Speaker 1: big time. Man, that's cool, super cool. I'm shocked at

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01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:29,600
Speaker 1: what you just said. That you said something that shocked me,

1305
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:32,320
Speaker 1: and it makes sense. I just never thought about it.

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01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:37,439
Speaker 1: You've never had bear me. We can remedy that. Yeah,

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01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:40,000
Speaker 1: I know, you know, I'm You're the first person I've

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01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:44,320
Speaker 1: ever know. You're the second person, uh I've ever met.

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01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:48,400
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, eating a bear. The guy,

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01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 1: the guy that introduced me to duck hunting, he had

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01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:55,160
Speaker 1: a bear. He had a color phace bear in his house,

1312
01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:57,439
Speaker 1: a bear rug up on the wall. And I asked

1313
01:16:57,520 --> 01:16:58,840
Speaker 1: him what the story was, and he said, Man, I

1314
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:01,599
Speaker 1: was deer hunting in the National Forest and I came

1315
01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:03,280
Speaker 1: across an oak flat and I could tell a bear

1316
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:04,439
Speaker 1: had been in there. So I went in there the

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01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:06,559
Speaker 1: next day and gotten there early, and he came in

1318
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:08,280
Speaker 1: and I killed it, and he said, and it took me.

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01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:09,920
Speaker 1: I killed him at nine o'clock in the morning, and

1320
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:11,800
Speaker 1: it was nine o'clock at night before I got him

1321
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:14,920
Speaker 1: back to the truck. And when he said that, I

1322
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:17,680
Speaker 1: was like, I want to do that. That's everything I

1323
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:22,679
Speaker 1: want that's everything about hunting that appeals to me. And

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01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:28,080
Speaker 1: uh it it took years of me kind of building competency,

1325
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:30,360
Speaker 1: uh until I thought that I could do that, you know,

1326
01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:33,040
Speaker 1: because like when I first started hunting, like my buddy said,

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01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:35,120
Speaker 1: Jonathan couldn't find his way out of a brown paper bag,

1328
01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:38,479
Speaker 1: I'd get lost in a hundred yards in the dark. Uh.

1329
01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:40,280
Speaker 1: And I finally got to a pointment was like, you

1330
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:42,160
Speaker 1: know what, I think I can start trying to do it.

1331
01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:45,280
Speaker 1: So and then it was just kind of serendipitous that

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01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:47,760
Speaker 1: we met each other. And I've been listening to your

1333
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:51,200
Speaker 1: podcasts and stuff a bunch, but yeah, short answer is like, yeah,

1334
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:52,720
Speaker 1: I didn't know a bunch of people and still don't

1335
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:54,680
Speaker 1: know a bunch of people that have killed bears. And

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01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 1: I didn't know until i've been this was I didn't

1337
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:59,479
Speaker 1: know how many you had you had gotten, you know, like,

1338
01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:02,880
Speaker 1: so you've been eating bear meat for twenty years, you know,

1339
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:05,720
Speaker 1: like there's probably not a whole bunch of people that

1340
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:09,080
Speaker 1: can say that there's more than you, more than you'd

1341
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:11,920
Speaker 1: think I think. Oh, I mean, I'm sure, I'm sure

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01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:14,920
Speaker 1: there's I mean, just from looking at the content you produce.

1343
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:17,280
Speaker 1: I can tell there's lots of people, but I guarantee

1344
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:19,719
Speaker 1: you I could go up to in Little Rock, Arkansas,

1345
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:21,920
Speaker 1: the most populated town in the state. I could go

1346
01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:23,599
Speaker 1: to two thousand people and ask them if they've ever

1347
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:26,040
Speaker 1: eating barren meat, and I bet you wouldn't find five

1348
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:28,360
Speaker 1: that head. Yeah, I bet you I wouldn't find two

1349
01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:30,519
Speaker 1: that head. If I just went to the middle of

1350
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:32,960
Speaker 1: downtown the little I can ask him, you'd probably find

1351
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:36,519
Speaker 1: no one. We're gonna do a podcast, me and you

1352
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:44,840
Speaker 1: walking down the street everything barren meat. Well that's good man. Well, now,

1353
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:47,639
Speaker 1: I I thought it was awesome the way you hunted

1354
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:51,680
Speaker 1: last year for for bear specifically, and it's it's it's

1355
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:54,360
Speaker 1: a lot of work, but that's what makes it fun

1356
01:18:54,479 --> 01:18:57,160
Speaker 1: is that it's it's a super challenge and you don't

1357
01:18:57,200 --> 01:19:01,519
Speaker 1: get immediate gratification very often, you know. That being said,

1358
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:04,639
Speaker 1: I've I've heard of guys that for the first time

1359
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:08,160
Speaker 1: hunted like you hunted and killed the bear. Like you know,

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01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:12,360
Speaker 1: there's been this kind of revival of well, it's not

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01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:15,519
Speaker 1: really a revival because we've never really done it quite

1362
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:18,599
Speaker 1: like this. You know, historically bears in Arkansas we're hunting

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01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:21,120
Speaker 1: with dogs. I mean back when we had bears. So

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01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:23,920
Speaker 1: you know, we had bears for ten thousand years, okay,

1365
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:26,960
Speaker 1: you know from the last ice age to now, and

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01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:30,320
Speaker 1: then by the nineteen twenties, thirties, forties there, you know,

1367
01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:33,240
Speaker 1: there was this window and there were no bears here. Effectively,

1368
01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:35,360
Speaker 1: you know, there's some bear, you know the story, and

1369
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:37,519
Speaker 1: then so all of a sudden, now there's all these

1370
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:40,240
Speaker 1: bears back. Well, the guys back in the eighteen hundreds,

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01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:43,040
Speaker 1: they were using hounds to kill most of their bears.

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01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:46,479
Speaker 1: You know, opportunistic deer hunter or somebody that saw a

1373
01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:48,519
Speaker 1: bear might shoot it. But they weren't creeping around the

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01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:51,200
Speaker 1: woods with a boat. Was Boone running dogs? Was Daniel

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01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:53,600
Speaker 1: Boone running dogs? Oh? Yeah, he ran dogs. But he

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01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:56,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean he killed so many bears. I mean,

1377
01:19:56,240 --> 01:19:58,599
Speaker 1: he was killing them however however he could. But he

1378
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:02,639
Speaker 1: absolutely used towns. Yeah, I mean that was the way

1379
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:08,400
Speaker 1: they hunted him, you know, um they uh. But I

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01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:11,120
Speaker 1: say all that to say there's been this research. Well,

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01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:13,639
Speaker 1: I keep wanting to use the word resurgence. It's really

1382
01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:17,240
Speaker 1: not a resurgence. It's like we're kind of pioneering, kind

1383
01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:19,519
Speaker 1: of a it's not a new way to hunt him.

1384
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:23,519
Speaker 1: It's not new, but guys weren't slipping around trying to

1385
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:25,360
Speaker 1: kill him back in the eighteen hundreds with a bow,

1386
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:29,040
Speaker 1: just acorn flats, you know. But that's what we're trying

1387
01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:32,440
Speaker 1: to do now. And it's a So there's been this resurgence.

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01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:34,479
Speaker 1: A lot of guys have reached out to me, tell

1389
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 1: me about their stories and stuff. Guy's in Oklahoma quite

1390
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:41,840
Speaker 1: a bit too. And there's one guy that hunted just

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01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:45,240
Speaker 1: the way you did and killed a bear. Opening morning scouted.

1392
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:49,720
Speaker 1: Scouted found a I mean just he just found exactly

1393
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:52,519
Speaker 1: what you want to find, you know, found white old

1394
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:54,760
Speaker 1: grin flat with bear signing it when in their first

1395
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:57,519
Speaker 1: aid killed a bear. And he knew what he'd done though,

1396
01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:00,519
Speaker 1: like he uh he I've never talked to the guy.

1397
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:02,080
Speaker 1: We just emailed back and forth. He sent me a

1398
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:05,280
Speaker 1: picture of the bear and uh, and he recognized that

1399
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:08,000
Speaker 1: what he did was not normal, you know, I mean,

1400
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:10,840
Speaker 1: it wasn't always gonna be that easy. And I told him,

1401
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:13,920
Speaker 1: I was like, man, you, I said, you you drew

1402
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:17,120
Speaker 1: the needle out of the haystack. That's awesome. Well, you know,

1403
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:19,479
Speaker 1: he might be he might have to chase success like

1404
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:21,240
Speaker 1: that for another few years. I mean, maybe he's just

1405
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:25,479
Speaker 1: he was born to do it too. But man, you know,

1406
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:27,679
Speaker 1: like I got lucky. The first dar I ever got

1407
01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:31,320
Speaker 1: was it was not really that hard, right, I'm fine

1408
01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:34,519
Speaker 1: with having to earn this. Yeah, and it'll but you

1409
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:37,200
Speaker 1: know what he said, it took me twelve days to

1410
01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:39,960
Speaker 1: find a pile of bear scat, you know, twelve days

1411
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:41,679
Speaker 1: of hunting from sun up to Sunday and to find

1412
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:44,719
Speaker 1: a pile of bear scat. I hope that discourages everybody

1413
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:46,679
Speaker 1: that's thinking they want to go do this. Yeah, stay

1414
01:21:46,680 --> 01:21:50,920
Speaker 1: out of the woods. Just at least I get one.

1415
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:59,519
Speaker 1: Now that's awesome, man, awesome. Well, hey, anything closing closing comments,

1416
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:01,840
Speaker 1: as any thought about anything we've talked about, anything you

1417
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:05,520
Speaker 1: want to tell people? Uh no, man, if if anybody's

1418
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:08,040
Speaker 1: not tired of listening to me talk yet, you can

1419
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:11,080
Speaker 1: follow me at a Black Duck Revival dot com or

1420
01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:14,200
Speaker 1: on Instagram at Black Duck Revival And I was talking

1421
01:22:14,240 --> 01:22:16,760
Speaker 1: to play. I'm gonna start a podcast here probably in

1422
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:20,479
Speaker 1: the next few weeks. We're gonna record probably the first

1423
01:22:20,479 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 1: episode this week here while we're on coronavirus lockdown at

1424
01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:27,280
Speaker 1: my house. And uh so, if you start following me

1425
01:22:27,320 --> 01:22:29,880
Speaker 1: on social media or on the internet, you can look

1426
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:32,640
Speaker 1: forward to hopefully seeing that soon I'm gonna do a

1427
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:34,920
Speaker 1: lot more writing and we're gonna start doing a lot

1428
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:38,040
Speaker 1: more video contents. So every yeah, I appreciate you having

1429
01:22:38,040 --> 01:22:41,160
Speaker 1: me out, man, and having me in your home. And

1430
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:42,960
Speaker 1: like you told you before, man, you've got a great

1431
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:45,000
Speaker 1: family and just glad to be friends with you. But

1432
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:49,519
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, man, appreciate it. Well, we gotta keep

1433
01:22:49,560 --> 01:22:51,800
Speaker 1: the wild places wild because that's where the Barris love,

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01:22:52,160 --> 01:22:52,639
Speaker 1: That's right.