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Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, Emily Abadi.

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Speaker 3: Here you are listening to another installment of our limited

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Speaker 2: Going for It.

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Speaker 3: It's a monumental time for women in sport, as more

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Speaker 3: I'm so elated to bring you my conversation with Talia Minsberg.

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Speaker 3: She's a reporter for the New York Times and this

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Speaker 3: sure you're keeping up with all things Hurtle over on

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Speaker 2: With that, Let's get to it. Let's get to hurdling today.

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Speaker 2: How are we doing?

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Speaker 4: We're great, thrilled to be here.

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Speaker 3: How are you feeling going into this year's games?

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Speaker 1: I am so stoked. These are the first Olympics since

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Speaker 3: have done this a few times now, so take me

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Speaker 3: through what happens from like the moment you wake up

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Speaker 3: and when that might be.

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Speaker 4: So you'll appreciate this.

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Speaker 1: As a runner, I frequently do the calculus of Okay,

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Speaker 1: should I get a little more sleep or should I

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Speaker 1: get a run in. Frequently I choose the run because

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Speaker 1: I'm I just choose the run unless I'm really, really,

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Speaker 1: really tired, and then sometimes I chose sleep. But so

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Speaker 1: I try to get up and get a run in.

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Speaker 1: This was I will say, everything will be so different.

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Speaker 1: The last two Olympics we were in bubbles, so there

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Speaker 1: was no leaving the hotel. So this is I'm like,

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Speaker 1: the opportunity to run in Paris. I am not going

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Speaker 1: to sleep in Paris.

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Speaker 4: I know that.

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Speaker 1: So I would try to get up and get a

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Speaker 1: run in, get some food in, and then, depending on

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Speaker 1: the day, usually there's a place at the Olympics called

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Speaker 1: the MPC, the Media Press Center, I believe, and most

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Speaker 1: major news organizations have little offices within the MPC. So

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Speaker 1: I would get to the MPC pretty early, and that's

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Speaker 1: where all the reporters, editors, photographers, photo editors have either

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Speaker 1: already gathered or are gathering and then dispersing again and again.

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Speaker 1: Depending on the day, I may be going straight to

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Speaker 1: an arena or if not, the PC, and then it's

468
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Speaker 1: figuring out who's doing what the priorities of the day are. Again,

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Speaker 1: frequently you kind of know that the night before, but

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Speaker 1: it just depends. But it could be running around to

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Speaker 1: three different venues. It could be doing some work at

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Speaker 1: the MPC and then going to the track. It could

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Speaker 1: be spending a lot of time working with a photographer

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Speaker 1: and figuring out logistics of how you're getting to where

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Speaker 1: you need to go, but then getting in a different

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Speaker 1: car and a different train to get to the other place.

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Speaker 1: And then it's a combination of writing, editing, watching, talking,

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Speaker 1: figuring out the next thing, finding a handful of trail mix.

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Speaker 3: Rinse, repeat, priority, priority, priority, and when you say interviewing,

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Speaker 3: is a lot of that interviewing happening in the mix zone,

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Speaker 3: or do you have an opportunity, even during this crazy

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Speaker 3: time with all these athletes, to ever get time with

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Speaker 3: them outside of that mix zone.

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Speaker 1: Remarkably you can, Yeah, And it really depends frequently. It

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Speaker 1: depends on the athlete, and it depends on what their

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Speaker 1: competition schedule is. So I'm thinking of an example the

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Speaker 1: last Winter Olympics where I talked to a German bob

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Speaker 1: sled athlete at her hotel, and it was pretty early on.

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Speaker 1: It was also in the pandemic bubble in that everyone

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Speaker 1: was excited to interact with another human. There was just

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Speaker 1: so little interaction and it was just a bit of

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Speaker 1: a quieter Olympics because of that. But is anyone going

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Speaker 1: to get some own biles to talk in between rounds

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Speaker 1: of competition? Absolutely not, And that's true for many of

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Speaker 1: the biggest name competitors and the biggest sports. They are

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Speaker 1: just so focused and rightfully, so we'll take the time

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Speaker 1: in the mix zone that they need to take and

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Speaker 1: then go do their thing.

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Speaker 4: So it really does depend.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how could you fault them?

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Speaker 3: Right? Like they're there to do the one thing that

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Speaker 3: they train all year for, and yet everybody else also

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Speaker 3: wants to highlight them during this major moment. It's a

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Speaker 3: little bit of a conflict of interest right completely.

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Speaker 1: And I'm always wildly impressed with the athletes coming through

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Speaker 1: the mixzone, who can really gather their thoughts right after competition,

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Speaker 1: no matter how it went, and express what they're going through.

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Speaker 3: So let's talk a little bit about that mixed zone,

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Speaker 3: because I think that that is something that a lot

510
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Speaker 3: of people listening to this might not know much about.

511
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Speaker 3: What does it look like, how does it operate, and

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Speaker 3: who has to go through there.

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Speaker 4: So it does depend on a few different things.

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Speaker 1: But for track and field in particular, the athlete will

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Speaker 1: get off the track, they'll go through there's it's like

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Speaker 1: a it's like a airport line of different things that

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Speaker 1: each athlete needs to do. And you got to remember

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Speaker 1: this is the Olympics, so it is the world media.

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Speaker 1: There are so there's a ton of TV stations from

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Speaker 1: a million different countries, and if it's a German athlete,

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Speaker 1: there's gonna be they really are going to want to

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Speaker 1: talk to the Germans. TV station is going to want

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Speaker 1: to talk to the German athlete, and then next to them,

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Speaker 1: the Japanese TV station is going to want to talk

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Speaker 1: to the Japanese athlete.

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Speaker 4: So they weave through.

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Speaker 1: Usually it's TV first, and then there's print media, and

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Speaker 1: it's kind of like an airport line that people gather

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Speaker 1: in different spots. Different people are trying to get different athletes.

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Speaker 1: It's a little chaotic. They don't have to stay a

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Speaker 1: certain amount of time. Athletes usually recognize their country's media,

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Speaker 1: like their country's journalists, either by face or language. And

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Speaker 1: then sometimes there will be athletes that come through with interpreters,

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Speaker 1: which can be helpful. And then there are sometimes press conferences,

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Speaker 1: so in addition to going through the mix zone, there

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Speaker 1: will be an organized press conference where let's say the

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Speaker 1: top three athletes in a certain event will come through,

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Speaker 1: and then in something that resembles a boardroom under a stadium,

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Speaker 1: journalists get to ask questions.

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Speaker 3: And so do the athletes need to stop and talk

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Speaker 3: to people in the mix zone.

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Speaker 1: I don't know the answer for the Olympics, because the

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Speaker 1: answers do differ a little bit.

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Speaker 4: So it need to fact check that.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if this wouldn't be a podcast with

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Speaker 3: a New York Times reporter if you didn't tell me

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Speaker 3: at one point or another that you needed to fact

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Speaker 3: check some.

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Speaker 1: I'm just not positive, so I can't say for sure.

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Speaker 1: I will say that, you know, one of the more

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Speaker 1: memorable moments in the mix zone from Tokyo. Again, because

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Speaker 1: it was a pandemic Olympics, it was athletes were very raw.

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Speaker 1: They were by themselves, they couldn't come with family, they

554
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Speaker 1: didn't have friends there. They were relying on each other

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Speaker 1: for emotional support. And there was one moment where Noah

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Speaker 1: Lyles came through the mix zone and he just started

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Speaker 1: to sob and he just talked about how hard it

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Speaker 1: had been for him and how much he missed his

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Speaker 1: people and missed the crowds and this wasn't what he imagined.

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Speaker 1: And it was really moving. And no one asked questions.

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Speaker 1: They just everyone let him talk and that was his

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Speaker 1: choice and it was this really moving moment. But then

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Speaker 1: there are plenty of other athletes who I'm sure felt

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Speaker 1: similarly and were like, I'll answer a question or two,

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Speaker 1: but I just want to be by myself.

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Speaker 4: And I can absolutely respect that too.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 3: What a wild, wild time and truly so interesting to

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Speaker 3: think about how different this is going to be. Are

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Speaker 3: so many athletes, some of whom are experiencing it for

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Speaker 3: the first time, but others who they only have had

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Speaker 3: that one other Olympic experience, So it's just yeah, so different.

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Speaker 1: It's so different. And that's why this four hundred meter

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Speaker 1: hurdle world record performance sticks in my mind because I

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Speaker 1: just I remember looking around and being like, we're the

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Speaker 1: only people that saw that live.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the stadium would have been going nuts. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So it's I I'm really especially happy for athletes who,

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Speaker 1: if this is their second Summer Olympics, are getting to

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Speaker 1: perform which they're doing. They're performing in front of an audience.

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Speaker 3: You mentioned that really special moment with Noah in Tokyo.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure that there have been so many standout moments

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Speaker 3: for you in your reporting over the years. When you

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Speaker 3: think about some of the most poignant moments that you've

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Speaker 3: witnessed in sport, what comes to mind?

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Speaker 1: There are so many, and that's such a gift to

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Speaker 1: even be able.

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Speaker 4: To say as such. I would say.

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Speaker 3: So.

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Speaker 1: I grew up in Minnesota. My grandparents lived in San Diego,

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Speaker 1: and I always told them that one of the greatest

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Speaker 1: gifts they gave me unintentionally was living in San Diego,

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Speaker 1: because I learned to surf as a kid, and I

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Speaker 1: love it. I'm horrible, I am a I am a

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Speaker 1: very not talented surfer, but I love it. I love

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Speaker 1: me in the ocean. I love like understanding a new wave.

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Speaker 4: I love it.

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Speaker 1: And so a lot of the surf reporting I've done

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Speaker 1: has been such a gift. And I wrote a piece,

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Speaker 1: I want to say two years ago about a wave

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Speaker 1: on the north shore of o Wahoo, and I've been

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Speaker 1: very lucky to spend a lot of time in Oahu.

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Speaker 1: And it was about this moment in women's surfing where

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Speaker 1: more and more women were surfing pipeline, and Pipeline, which

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Speaker 1: is a very dangerous wave and a very iconic wave,

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Speaker 1: has all of these women dominating this wave. And it

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Speaker 1: used to be a wave that women were one. There

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Speaker 1: would be one woman in the lineup of two hundred men,

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Speaker 1: and watching young girls paddle out and watching young girls

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Speaker 1: watch some of the older women competing in pipeline. Was

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Speaker 1: this really incredible thing because even when I was little

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Speaker 1: there in San Diego, I served at the surf break

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Speaker 1: called Lahoya Shores, and it was like very beginner friendly

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Speaker 1: and everyone was really nice, but I would be the

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Speaker 1: only girl out there sometimes and I was never treated poorly,

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Speaker 1: but I felt it. And seeing one of the most

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Speaker 1: iconic waves in the world become a space where more

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Speaker 1: and more young girls were like, I'm going to surf

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Speaker 1: that wave. I can surf that wave was such an

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Speaker 1: incredible thing to witness. To witness that shift and to

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Speaker 1: talk to these young women who are just queens of

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Speaker 1: pipe and that that was a really special moment to

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Speaker 1: report on, to watch and to be in the presence of.

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Speaker 3: You've been working at the Times for over a decade now.

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Speaker 3: Arguably it is easy to assume that you learned how

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Speaker 3: to do a majority of your storytelling while working at

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Speaker 3: the Times. But what else would you say has contributed

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Speaker 3: to your overall voice in your reporting? Where would you

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Speaker 3: credit most of your inspiration too.

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Speaker 1: I grew up in a house where my parents were newsies,

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Speaker 1: Like there were two newspapers, the local News and the

654
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Speaker 1: New York Times were on the kitchen table every day,

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Speaker 1: and pr was on all the time. So my parents

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Speaker 1: are definitely people that were very plugged into the news

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Speaker 1: and curious about the world.

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Speaker 4: And I also grew up.

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Speaker 1: In a family and a community where asking questions and

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Speaker 1: challenging authority was always encouraged. So I was never told like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is just the way it is. I was always

662
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Speaker 1: encouraged to ask why, which I'm sure got incredibly annoying

663
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Speaker 1: as a little kid. But I think that really helped

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Speaker 1: me become the journalist I am today, because I rarely

665
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: just not in smile when someone says something that doesn't

666
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: really make sense or where I want another explanation, And

667
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Speaker 1: so I think I can credit my community and my

668
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Speaker 1: family for that.

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Speaker 3: What's been the biggest mistake that you've made while working

670
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 3: at the Times?

671
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: Oh this is I have a great one.

672
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 3: Actually, I have a good one too, from my days

673
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 3: when I worked for somebody else.

674
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Speaker 4: Oh I'm excited.

675
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, you go ahead first.

676
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Speaker 1: So I co wrote a piece with a reporter named

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Speaker 1: Nick corsiniti There is also a reporter at The New

678
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: York Times named Nick Confessori. And I was on the

679
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Speaker 1: phone with the editor and she was like, you worked

680
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: with Nick, right, And I was I was actually in

681
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: Hawaii reporting and I was like, yeah, yeah, and she

682
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: was like, Confesssori and I was like, yeah, driving, just

683
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: did not pay attention to the last name. The article

684
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: comes out and I get a message from Nick Confessori

685
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: and he was like, hey, Bud, that was definitely Corciniti.

686
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Speaker 4: And I was humiliated and.

687
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Speaker 1: Luckily it was caught quickly, but I was like, how

688
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: did I not I co wrote it with Nick Corsinedi,

689
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: and somehow on the phone with the editor just completely

690
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: I just heard Nick coo and I was like, yep,

691
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: that's the guy.

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Speaker 4: And I was, oh, my gosh.

693
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Speaker 1: I was so humiliated, and I remember I was driving

694
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Speaker 1: across the eye and in that moment, I was like,

695
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: I'm not cut out for this. I totally had this

696
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: moment of like being like, you're done. You messed it

697
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: up this time. And to both their credits, they're both

698
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 1: extraordinary reporters and extraordinarily kind, and they thought it was

699
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 1: hysterical as I was having a full breakdown.

700
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Speaker 3: And was this digital only when you realize the mistake

701
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 3: or was it in print as well?

702
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 4: Digital only?

703
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Speaker 1: Thank goodness, it was. I realized it was like within

704
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Speaker 1: five minutes of publication, but I was still just so rightly.

705
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 4: So that was a mistake.

706
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 2: So that was that was my.

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Speaker 3: Biggest totally understandable and also I'm sure that the time

708
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 3: difference didn't make it feel any less anxiety written, because

709
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Speaker 3: whenever you're not where you're supposed to be and something

710
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:48,240
Speaker 3: goes wrong, it feels, I would argue, eighteen thousand times

711
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 3: worse because you're not there in that moment where everybody

712
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Speaker 3: else is to remediate it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like I was driving and I was like, oh

714
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Speaker 1: my god, I'm so oh, yeah, it was awful.

715
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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. But it happened.

716
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Speaker 3: But like I said, that was a digital easy fix.

717
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Speaker 3: Has there been a print mishap?

718
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Speaker 4: I'm sure there has.

719
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Speaker 1: Because I've I've definitely had corrections as unfortunately, I would

720
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Speaker 1: say most people have. I don't have a big enough

721
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Speaker 1: ego to say I don't, but I don't know.

722
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. Do you remember your first correction?

723
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Speaker 1: Yes, because I also had a full breakdown about it

724
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Speaker 1: and now it I don't even remember what it was.

725
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 4: I know, I just remember that what could it have been?

726
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 4: I mean, it can be.

727
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Speaker 1: There are so many like The New York Times is

728
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: extremely as they should be strict about corrections. So if

729
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: you get someone's title incorrect, for example, if they're a

730
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: clinical director instead of a medical director, it could be

731
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: you know, anything like that, that is a correction. And

732
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Speaker 1: so there have been times where I've gotten a title

733
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: incorrect and that feels so silly because I should be

734
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: fact checking that seven times over, which I do. But

735
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 1: when that happens, it's still, Oh, I hate it.

736
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Speaker 3: But for those that don't know, you're not the only

737
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 3: person that touches the article to fact check it.

738
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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and that is plain that.

739
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 2: Yes.

740
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Speaker 1: So at the New York Times, you have at least

741
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Speaker 1: at least two editors looking at your copy, and I

742
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,760
Speaker 1: very much want to pride myself on handing in clean copy.

743
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: That is, the names are correct, the titles are correct,

744
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: the quotes are everything in there. I have fact checked

745
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: at least twice over, and having two more editors is

746
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: just another two rounds of safety and two rounds of

747
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: gut check, and two rounds of like, eh, maybe that

748
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: sentence could be phrased a little differently, or I don't

749
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Speaker 1: totally understand what you were saying there. And that is

750
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Speaker 1: a total privilege of working at the Times. And is

751
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: very I think it's very evident in the copy that

752
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 1: is published.

753
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Speaker 2: Ah wow.

754
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Speaker 3: So I want to bring it back around to the

755
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Speaker 3: Olympics as they are coming. What would you say that

756
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 3: you are most excited for with this upcoming games.

757
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: I'm excited to hear athletes talk about what this games

758
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: is like for them mentally compared to Tokyo. A lot

759
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: of athletes were pretty open, Noel Ales being one of them,

760
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: about how difficult it was.

761
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Speaker 4: I mean twenty twenty.

762
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Speaker 1: The twenty twenty Olympics happened in twenty twenty one, we

763
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Speaker 1: still call them the twenty twenty Olympics. I honestly think

764
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Speaker 1: in part because all the merch was printed all like,

765
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: everything was printed, so true, but no one was doing

766
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Speaker 1: particularly well in twenty twenty one, and I think it

767
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 1: was a bit of a heavy games, even though everyone

768
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Speaker 1: tried to be really celebratory. And I'm really curious to

769
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Speaker 1: talk to talk to athletes about what this Olympics feels

770
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Speaker 1: like for them, for those who are returning.

771
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Speaker 4: And I also think.

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Speaker 1: We're there's a lot of this is a heavy time

773
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: in history, or at least it feels like it for

774
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: a variety of reasons and I feel like everyone wants

775
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: a few good, feel good stories, and I really hope

776
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Speaker 1: we get a lot of those, and I think we will.

777
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 3: So my question then becomes knowing that the goal is

778
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 3: always to find the untold stories, and also knowing that

779
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 3: everyone has an understanding of how different the two experiences

780
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 3: will be from Tokyo to Paris. How do you approach

781
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 3: knowing what your goal is to talk to so many

782
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 3: athletes about that difference with your own unique spin?

783
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 2: How do you think about that?

784
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: That's a question I have to keep figuring out. Yeah,

785
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: that's I think.

786
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Speaker 4: You know.

787
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: I'm getting to the Olympics a few days before they begin,

788
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: so I think I land on Tuesday and the opening

789
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: ceremony is Friday, and I'm really hoping to use those

790
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: first few days to really hit the ground running and

791
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: figure out who I want to talk to logistically, how

792
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 1: I'm going to get from point A to point B.

793
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,720
Speaker 1: Who are some athletes that maybe have voices that haven't

794
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: been heard. You're gonna have to stay tuned.

795
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 4: I guess.

796
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

797
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 3: And so are you there for both the Olympics and

798
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Speaker 3: the perilm or does someone else come in and do

799
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 3: Paralympics for your desk.

800
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Speaker 1: Someone else is coming in and doing to do the Paralympics,

801
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: and that's Alana Bergeron, who's a wonderful, wonderful journalist, and

802
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: she's going to do a fantastic work.

803
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Speaker 4: I'm excited for her.

804
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 3: So aside from the fact that you've already outlined that

805
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 3: your days are quite hectic, how do you find any

806
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 3: way to take care of Talia when you're so ingrained

807
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 3: in your work During that three week period.

808
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 1: I think about the little moments where I can really

809
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: take in where I am and what I'm doing. There

810
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 1: was one moment the first Olympics I was at I

811
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: hadn't looked away from the computer in like fourteen hours,

812
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,280
Speaker 1: and none of us had slept, and the lead photo

813
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: editor and a photographer were like, we're so close to

814
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: Bob's led. Let's just go watch Bob's led. And so

815
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 1: we got on this bus and we went to Bob's

816
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,919
Speaker 1: led and no, it wasn't bob sled was luge, which

817
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: is insane.

818
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 4: The they go so fast. I can I cannot.

819
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Speaker 1: I do not know how to describe it. But taking

820
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: that moment, it was probably an hour. It was an

821
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: hour away from the office in my computer but just

822
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: being with these two people who are extraordinary photo editors

823
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Speaker 1: and photographers, and just witnessing. This was this moment of

824
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: like just being present and grasping what I was able

825
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: to witness and what kind of work I was doing.

826
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Speaker 3: Do you write outside of the writing that you're doing

827
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Speaker 3: for the times while you're on the ground for an

828
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Speaker 3: event like this?

829
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Speaker 1: The answer should be yes, and it is less so

830
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: because I feel like I really, actually, you know what,

831
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Speaker 1: I wonder if I have journals somewhere. This is this year,

832
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: I've been doing one page a day because I've been

833
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: I really just know that I should be journaling more.

834
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Speaker 4: So I'm hoping to. I'm hoping to journal.

835
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Speaker 2: Can we unpack the should? There? Yes? Why the should?

836
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 3: Why do you feel as though you should be journaling more?

837
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: I think it could be helpful for me and my

838
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: mental health, and I think, like many of us, I'm

839
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 1: trying to take a little more space away from my computer,

840
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: screen and phone and watch and all of it.

841
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 2: How does it feel for you in the act of journaling?

842
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 1: Sometimes going back to the toll type a thing, I'm like,

843
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 1: I am doing the thing I said I was going

844
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: to do the thing, and I'm doing the thing.

845
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it also feels good, you know.

846
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: Sometimes it feels good to write, to get something on paper.

847
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: Sometimes it feels like a responsibility. Sometimes it feels like

848
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,760
Speaker 1: Emily's really good at this, and I look up to Emily.

849
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,399
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, I'm gonna be honest with you. I've

850
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 3: been on a slacking journal kick lately. I'm actually I've

851
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 3: been really good at it, oddly enough when I'm not

852
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 3: at home. But it's like I feel as though I

853
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 3: get home and I'm working so hard to get my

854
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 3: feet back under me that what used to be a

855
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 3: really grounding practice for me feels like an extra to

856
00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 3: do at this moment. I know for certain that when

857
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 3: I hit the ground running in Paris that is going

858
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 3: to be a huge priority for me. Is really pausing

859
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 3: to take stake of how I'm feeling where I'm at,

860
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,240
Speaker 3: because when it comes down to it, and I think

861
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 3: about how this has been something that's been a goal

862
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 3: for me for so long as well, it's like be

863
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 3: where your feet are, and I think that sometimes as

864
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 3: I say this, I'm like thinking about the fact that

865
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 3: I've been a little hesitant on my journaling practice at home.

866
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 3: I really do need to just take a step back

867
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 3: and realize, like, how fortunate I am to have the

868
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 3: opportunity to take inventory.

869
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 2: Of what's going on.

870
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, see, you're motivating me to get back into my

871
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 3: journaling practice.

872
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: It's gonna and it will be so fun for you

873
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: to read back. I mean, you read an email from

874
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: a year ago, and that's that's not a journal, but

875
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: it's a memory of like, look at how hard I've

876
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: worked to get here and now I'm here.

877
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of wild.

878
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, speaking of reading an email from a year ago,

879
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 3: your past three Olympic experiences, what do you see happening

880
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 3: from here you've been at the time since twenty eleven?

881
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 2: Is the street continuing?

882
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 3: What do you project for yourself as you move forward

883
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 3: in your career?

884
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 4: That is a million dollar question.

885
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: It feels like I feel so incredibly lucky to do

886
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: the work I do. I feel so incredibly lucky to

887
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: be excited about my work. I feel so incredibly lucky

888
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 1: to admire so many of my colleagues. I just feel

889
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 1: really fortunate to be in a space and a place

890
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 1: where I learn so much from so many people every day.

891
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 1: And I hope I'm in this interesting place right where

892
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: You're right, like, I'm kind of torn where I really

893
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: love doing the work that I've been doing, and I

894
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: do feel like I have this niche, and I also

895
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: love the idea of continuing to explore other things. So

896
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: I'm really not sure, and I'm kind of okay with that.

897
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 3: This is a two part question, the first part being

898
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 3: what would you say, can you identify or articulate what's

899
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 3: been one of the most impactful interviews you've ever done.

900
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say this is, you know, going back

901
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: to this curveball of doing some reporting on the Israel

902
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 1: Gaza war. I interviewed these peace activists, these Israelian Palestinian

903
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: peace activists, pretty early in the war, and in this

904
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: moment where everyone was so polarized. You were on team

905
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: A or Team B. And if you're on Team A,

906
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: you can recognize Team a's pain, and if you're on

907
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: Team B, you can recognize Team bee's paid. But there

908
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: was this you're just one team or the other, and

909
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: it felt very intensely like that in a lot of

910
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: interviews and conversations and coverage, frankly, and talking to these

911
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 1: two activists who cared for each other so deeply and

912
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: were so clearly able to see and recognize and empathize

913
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: with the pain they were experiencing and the trauma they

914
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: were experiencing. And to hear them say in this moment

915
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: where very few people are looking at the person on

916
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: the air, quote other team and saying the only way

917
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: we survive is if we both survive was incredibly powerful.

918
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:06,720
Speaker 1: And I think it was powerful because it was every

919
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: conversation was so heightened, and they had this very quiet

920
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: power and very quiet logic, and speaking with them and

921
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: seeing the love and care they had for each other,

922
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 1: it was so simple and so obvious to them and

923
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: also so revolutionary.

924
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 3: I think it's also really special that you approach a

925
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 3: conversation and have an ability, both as a journalist but

926
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,280
Speaker 3: mostly as the human being that you are, to create

927
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 3: space for these people to feel safe and seen in

928
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 3: your reporting. And so by doing that in this heightened

929
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 3: place that for them meant so much. I'm sure now

930
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 3: when you think forward and think about what you're about

931
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 3: to get into, is there anyone in particular that you

932
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 3: think would be a dream get during these games?

933
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 4: Oooh, I don't know.

934
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 1: I think that the obvious answer, which I think is

935
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Speaker 1: every Olympic reporter's answer for those listening Emily's nodding is simone. Yeah,

936
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: Simone is one of one. She is a generational talent,

937
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,240
Speaker 1: and she is a leader.

938
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 4: She is a leader.

939
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: She's so beyond the sport that talking to her and

940
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: about the lead up to this Olympics and what it

941
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: is to walk into these Olympics with the pressure she

942
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: has on her shoulders would be fascinating.

943
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 4: But beyond that, I.

944
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: Do I am really curious to talk to athletes who

945
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: live in areas where there is conflict and how it

946
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: feels to be wearing a flag that means so much

947
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: to so many people. And that's Israelis as Palestinians, that's Ukrainians,

948
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: that's Russians.

949
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 4: To name a few.

950
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are a lot of people that are coming

951
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 1: to these Olympics who live in places where a lot

952
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: of people have a lot of opinions about the flag

953
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: on their backs. And that's a pretty intense place to

954
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: come in.

955
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so I'm.

956
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: Very curious as to what it is to be an

957
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: athlete wearing a flag where people have a lot of opinions.

958
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: And that look, that's true with Americans.

959
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 3: Too, Yeah, especially right now, especially right now, we know

960
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 3: who your dream get would be. Do you have a

961
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 3: specific event that you're most excited to watch?

962
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 4: The women's fifteen hundred?

963
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's going to be electric.

964
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,959
Speaker 1: It is going to be electric. It's such a cool

965
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: moment in distance running. And the women's fifteen hundred in Eugene,

966
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: Oregon was outstanding. In Nikki Hilt's like, oh, the last

967
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 1: one hundred meters, it is crazy.

968
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 4: It was a great, great race.

969
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 1: And I've had the privilege of profiling Nikki before, so

970
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: it's been so cool to follow them in their journey.

971
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, women's fifteen hundred I think will be extraordinary.

972
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 2: Especially after what just happened at the Paris Diamond League.

973
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Speaker 1: And Faith, yeah, Faith Kipiegon is another one of those runners.

974
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 2: Three forty nine Yeah wow was that three forty nine?

975
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 4: I think it was.

976
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 2: I don't want to don't quote me out yeh yeah.

977
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:08,720
Speaker 1: Well we gotta fact check that too. I gotta fact

978
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: it was a new world record. That is confirmed.

979
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Speaker 3: We confirmed new world record and confirmed sub three point fifty.

980
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 3: But I don't remember if it was forty nine or

981
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,439
Speaker 3: forty seven. I want to say it would be forty nine.

982
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 4: I think it was forty nine.

983
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 3: Anyway, don't quote us on this. Yea journals are saying yeah, yeah, yeah.

984
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 3: The fifteen hundred, I agree with you is going to

985
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 3: be absolutely nuts. I would be remiss as we start

986
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 3: to wind down here. I didn't ask you at all

987
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 3: why you have a vested interest in track and field,

988
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 3: but I feel like it would be helpful, just for

989
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 3: context to really start to put a bow on this,

990
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 3: if you could shed a little bit of light on

991
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 3: why this area of sport really intrigues you.

992
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: Yes, And before I do that, I have to say

993
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 1: the one other thing I'm looking forward to, which is breakdancing.

994
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 2: OHI oh yeah. I don't call it break dancing.

995
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 4: What do they call it?

996
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 3: Now?

997
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 2: Breaking?

998
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 4: Breaking, breaking seat?

999
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 2: I need to fact check that I'm here for you.

1000
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: That's that's I am not covering that sport in great detail,

1001
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 1: but I think it will be so interesting watching a

1002
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: new Olympic sport, Like watching skateboarding Tokyo was fascinating.

1003
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 4: Skateboarding will be fun. Everyone should watch that.

1004
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 1: Track and field I loved I've loved running as long

1005
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: as I could remember. My sister and I this is

1006
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 1: like sounds very Americana, but we would chase cars down

1007
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 1: our block and then scream to the cars and ask

1008
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: them how fast we were going.

1009
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 4: Like how fast with how many miles we are?

1010
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: And that's like when I was a little kid, and

1011
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: I'm so lucky my parents saw how much I loved

1012
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 1: running and put my sister and I in like a

1013
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: it's called icaa inner city Athletic Club just this like

1014
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: beaten down track in Saint Paul, Minnesota, and like volunteer coaches,

1015
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: and we just did these track meets as kids, and

1016
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: we were so lucky to have parents who just supported

1017
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: us as long as we were having fun. There was

1018
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,399
Speaker 1: never any pressure to perform any certain way, and it's

1019
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: just been like the greatest love of my life.

1020
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 3: Hype up song on your playlist, whether you are going

1021
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 3: to the track or heading for another long night of reporting.

1022
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean just the entirety of Cowboy Carter right

1023
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: now is the easiest answer. But also sometimes Lift Me

1024
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: Up by Rihanna if you need like a slower moment

1025
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:13,919
Speaker 1: to like really get you there.

1026
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 2: Wow, I love that.

1027
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah yeah.

1028
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,959
Speaker 3: If you could do any singular Olympic sport, what would

1029
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 3: it be, and if you could specify the event as well?

1030
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 2: If that is relevant we would like to hear it.

1031
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: Okay, I have thought about this a lot, and I

1032
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 1: think I would want to be on a soccer team.

1033
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 2: I love that.

1034
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 4: I don't it is.

1035
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 1: I am in awe of individual competitors, swimmers, gymnasts, runners, skateboarders,

1036
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: serve all of it. Oh my gosh. The pressure is insane.

1037
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: And to be able to win or lose as part

1038
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: of a team. I think that is one thing I

1039
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 1: loved cross country. I loved running cross country, so that

1040
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 1: team element. But yeah, and also who doesn't want to

1041
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 1: be a part of the US women's soccer team.

1042
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:54,720
Speaker 2: Amen.

1043
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:56,959
Speaker 3: I had Lindsay Horan on the show not that long ago,

1044
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 3: and she's a captain for said team, and true.

1045
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 2: Such a vibe.

1046
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 4: They have to have the most fun.

1047
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 2: The most fun, the most most fun.

1048
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 4: Can I throw it back at you, what's your answer.

1049
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 2: If I could do any Olympic sports?

1050
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 3: I'm actually with you on the soccer That was my

1051
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 3: answer to someone not all that long ago.

1052
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,280
Speaker 2: I think I would want to be a right forward.

1053
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 3: That's the position where I played when I was much younger.

1054
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 3: I'm talking like age eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen.

1055
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 2: Preteen years.

1056
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was my soccer era, I played right forward,

1057
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,760
Speaker 3: and then I also sporadically filled in as goalie, which now,

1058
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 3: like if I had to do that, it would be

1059
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 3: absolutely frightening because the balls are just moving so much

1060
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 3: faster than they do at age twelve.

1061
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1062
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 1: And also that is the only position in soccer where

1063
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: it just oh the pressure of.

1064
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 3: That, the pressure, yeah, the pressure also like Kreeker as

1065
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 3: a defender, like, I just don't think I could be

1066
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 3: like the last thing keeping you before the goalie that

1067
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 3: that stresses me outely.

1068
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 2: So definitely right forward for me. Yeah, yeah. Beyond that, if.

1069
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 3: You had to pick a track and field event, my

1070
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 3: track and field event, I think I'm a four hundred

1071
00:51:58,040 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 3: meter runner.

1072
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 2: Nice. Yeah.

1073
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 1: I started as a two hundred meter runner.

1074
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 4: Oh wow, you fast.

1075
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:09,399
Speaker 1: I was very I was just a teeny ten year old,

1076
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 1: you know. And then as soon as I got in

1077
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: high school, my coach was like, you are absolutely a

1078
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 1: distance runner, and I kicked and screamed, and then he

1079
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: put me in the mile and I was like, oh, okay, okay.

1080
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 4: I mean I love the idea of four hundred because

1081
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:22,320
Speaker 4: it's over really fast.

1082
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, but oh fifteen, I'm just like so enthralled with

1083
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 1: the fifteen hundred right now, But I think if I'm

1084
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: being honest with myself, I'm with you four hundred.

1085
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 2: Four hundreds. All right. Well, I'm happy that we were

1086
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 2: able to do this.

1087
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 3: I'm so so thankful that you made the time, and

1088
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 3: I'm so excited to both follow along with your coverage

1089
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,760
Speaker 3: in Paris and then also rendezvous with you at whatever

1090
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 3: hour of the day.

1091
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 2: We can make it half of them when we're out there.

1092
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 2: It's going to be so awesome.

1093
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:51,839
Speaker 4: Five am training runs. We're going to see each.

1094
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:55,240
Speaker 3: Other five am training runs along the cn That's it.

1095
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 2: It's it.

1096
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 3: For those that don't follow along with you, just yet,

1097
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 3: give me your info, my friend, how do they keep

1098
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 3: up with you?

1099
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 2: How do they follow along with you? Give me the deats.

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Speaker 1: You can find my work on the New York Times

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Speaker 1: and I'm on Instagram very sporadically.

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Speaker 4: But that's Teemansburg.

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Speaker 3: Last question, best pep talk you've ever been given? Do

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Speaker 3: you remember who it came from?

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Speaker 1: Okay, this is not a pep talk, but it is

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Speaker 1: a pep talk, and it's from Laura Green. And if

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Speaker 1: you do not follow her on Instagram, follow Laura Green

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Speaker 1: on Instagram.

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Speaker 4: But before I ran.

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Speaker 1: I think it was New York, I don't remember what year.

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Speaker 1: She posted this reel that I have saved and I

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Speaker 1: watch it before races where she just looks dead at

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Speaker 1: the camera and she just reminds all of us that

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Speaker 1: no one cares.

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Speaker 4: You run the race you're proud of. Have fun.

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Speaker 1: But you know what, no one cares. Everyone just wants

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Speaker 1: to meet you at brunch because they love you and

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Speaker 1: want you to have a good time. And that is

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Speaker 1: a pep talk. I think many of us runners who

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Speaker 1: can be a little obsessive about times, or at least

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Speaker 1: I can, it's really helpful to be like, reminder, no

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Speaker 1: one cares.

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Speaker 4: You do you make yourself proud.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 3: Remember follow Laura Green. We'll make sure to send her

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Speaker 3: this podcast. Absolutely I'm over at Emily a Body and

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Speaker 3: at Hurdle podcast Another Hurdle Conquered.

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Speaker 2: Catch you guys next time.