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Speaker 1: necessarily guaranteed. Michael, how high can these valuations go? Scott,

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio. Hello, I'm Scott Schman, I'm Evan, Nobi Williams,

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Speaker 1: and I'm Michael bare And this is the Bloomberg Business

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Speaker 1: of Sports podcast, where we explore the big money issues

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Speaker 1: in the world of sports. Today. We begin with some

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Speaker 1: unfortunate news for fans of the New York Mets. Now,

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Speaker 1: according to the New York Post, billionaire Steve Cohen is

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Speaker 1: ending talks to buy the team. Cohen was in talks

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Speaker 1: to buy eighty percent of the team. The deal valued

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Speaker 1: But something went wrong. You know what I'm doing right now?

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Speaker 1: Bar besides you think maybe having a spasm? What am

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Speaker 1: I doing? We're not on TV? What am I doing

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Speaker 1: right now? It looks like you're pumping the gas? Oh,

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Speaker 1: That's why this show works. I love Yeah, nobody, it's

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Speaker 1: a steady push. But anyway, I wouldn't go so far.

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Speaker 1: And talking to my source to that deal is dead yet?

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Speaker 1: Is there a let's keep it? Is there a speed bump?

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Speaker 1: Is there a hurdle? Has there been a change? Yes? Well,

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Speaker 1: did the Wilpon say you know what, perhaps there was

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Speaker 1: doesn't exactly work for us? Can we control something? This

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Speaker 1: Is it impossible that a deal gets done moving forward. No,

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Speaker 1: so let's let's see what this negotiation bring. I think

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Speaker 1: we discussed probably on this podcast exactly um when that

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Speaker 1: for five years, as which appeared to be the terms

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Speaker 1: That always seemed like it might be a kind of

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Speaker 1: which is Fred's son, Fred's son, right, So what was

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Speaker 1: explained to me was what does that mean? What does

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Speaker 1: it mean for him to be the CEO? What it

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