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Speaker 1: I'm excited We've got the first part of a two
Speaker 1: part podcast with Ryan French. If you guys are unfamiliar
Speaker 1: with Ryan, he is the man behind the popular Monday
Speaker 1: q info Twitter account that covers all of the Monday qualifiers,
Speaker 1: all the mini tours, and just kind of he has
Speaker 1: his pulse on all the obscure stories and golf, all
Speaker 1: the guys that inches away and bounce here or bounce
Speaker 1: there away from being on the PGA Tour. So Ryan
Speaker 1: was more than generous with his time. He came by
Speaker 1: and we recorded about an hour and a half of
Speaker 1: audio here. So we're gonna split this up into two parts.
Speaker 1: Part one is going to be about Ryan and how
Speaker 1: he started Monday q Info. I'm for those that don't
Speaker 1: follow on Twitter yet, I highly recommend there might not
Speaker 1: be a better run Twitter account on the Internet. It's
Speaker 1: at a case of the golf one that's at a
Speaker 1: case of the golf one on Twitter. Monday q info.
Speaker 1: So here's part one about how he started Monday q
Speaker 1: info and his life and a little bit about some
Speaker 1: of the stories surrounding Monday q info to date, and
Speaker 1: then part two we kind of zero in on US
Speaker 1: Open sectional qualifiers and a little bit about some of
Speaker 1: the guys that you may never have heard of that
Speaker 1: got through. I think it's the soul of the US Open.
Speaker 1: So Part two will be up later this week. Here's
Speaker 1: Part one. Enjoy I miss a green. For example, I'm
Speaker 1: already upset when I find my ball in the bunker,
Speaker 1: I'm really upset.
Speaker 2: And when I find my ball in a fried egg
Speaker 2: Frida egg, the dreaded Frida egg Frida egg Frida egg,
Speaker 2: Brian egg Frida egg bride egg Lie, I'm about ready to.
Speaker 1: Run off the you're caddy in the Monday Monday Q
Speaker 1: at Stonewall.
Speaker 2: Or a chart here in Chicago exactly. And uh, We're
Speaker 2: sitting on the tea with like three groups and I
Speaker 2: didn't want to interrupt the players or anything or tell
Speaker 2: them who I was. So I was just like I'm
Speaker 2: Ryan and CD goes, so tell him what you really
Speaker 2: do and I was like, I'm the guy who runs
Speaker 2: the Monday q info Twitter and every player was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, and I was like, I just it
Speaker 2: was very like surreal because I just don't have a
Speaker 2: way of knowing like the people at Reaches, So it
Speaker 2: was like it was crazy. It was pretty crazy.
Speaker 1: It's wild when like people know who you are, yes, exactly, yeah,
Speaker 1: Like you know, you had no intention of this becoming this.
Speaker 2: Right, Like I'm just a dude that happened to stay
Speaker 2: at home and with his son and now I like
Speaker 2: a very surreal moment was Sean mcchel got through a
Speaker 2: Monday qualifier and I'm interviewing him in between giving my
Speaker 2: kids a bath, And I was like, when I started
Speaker 2: this account, did I ever think that I would be
Speaker 2: talking to a major champion in between giving my kids
Speaker 2: a bath? And it was like it was like, there's
Speaker 2: some surreal moments that's that stands out for sure.
Speaker 3: How did it all gets start?
Speaker 2: Like why? Where?
Speaker 3: What was going on in life?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 1: Why Monday qualifiers? Like in in many tours.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I've been in the restaurant business my whole
Speaker 2: my whole life. And our son has some health issues,
Speaker 2: had a brain surgery, has had two brain surgeries, and
Speaker 2: so it was it was we lost our long term nanny,
Speaker 2: and so our new nanny wasn't very good to be
Speaker 2: quite frank, and I decided to stay home. And uh
Speaker 2: so from there it was really something to do. So
Speaker 2: I didn't have to watch cartoons all day. And so
Speaker 2: I've caddied after college. I caddied on many tours with
Speaker 2: my dad. My dad and I used to take a
Speaker 2: yearly trip or two trips a year and go caddy
Speaker 2: on a mini tour. So like Canadian Tour, eGolf, Golden
Speaker 2: Bear Hopped. I mean, there's a bunch. What a tradition
Speaker 2: with you? It was crazy, Yeah, there was. I mean
Speaker 2: there's some stories from that, like our tent blew away
Speaker 2: at a Hooters event. Oh, I mean we had some
Speaker 2: crazy stories.
Speaker 3: How did this tradition start?
Speaker 2: So I found a Canadian tour, I was like, hey, Dad,
Speaker 2: maybe we can caddy on a pro tour. I had no, like,
Speaker 2: no real understanding of how it worked, and so I
Speaker 2: can This is pre McKenzie tour. Uh, this is like
Speaker 2: just a Canadian tour. And so I live I lived
Speaker 2: in the Detroit area, and so I sent a message
Speaker 2: to the caddy master at a at a Canadian tour
Speaker 2: event and they were like instantaneously me bag, He's like, yes,
Speaker 2: we love it, getting to know, like going there and
Speaker 2: finding out just like fifteen year old kids and no
Speaker 2: one who had any golf knowledge. People were just ecstatic
Speaker 2: to have anyone who knew like where to stand once
Speaker 2: the you know, once you pull the flag. So that's
Speaker 2: how it started, and we just made it a tradition.
Speaker 2: And I think I've caddied on twelve mini tours. I think,
Speaker 2: I think I know I've caddied on three that stopped
Speaker 2: playing players. I know that.
Speaker 1: What what was the Uh, who's the most famous guy
Speaker 1: that UK for before they were famous?
Speaker 2: I mean Ryan Yip would be probably. I caddied for
Speaker 2: Adam Bland, who's a pretty obscure name, but you know
Speaker 2: plays in Asia and I mean a lot of guys.
Speaker 2: So I I caddied for Ryan for a for most
Speaker 2: of those years. Once we got connected. Let's see down
Speaker 2: in I don't I mean, not anyone really that's made
Speaker 2: maybe it's Mike Caddy. Oh shit, that now that I
Speaker 2: look back on that, maybe it's Yeah, maybe it's me.
Speaker 2: I mean a bunch of but you see a ton
Speaker 2: of guys, I mean like Joel Damon and all those
Speaker 2: guys were out there. I mean everybody was. I mean
Speaker 2: a lot of really good players came from Canadian Hooters.
Speaker 2: I mean Hooters. I remember kidding in a Monday qualifier
Speaker 2: of a Hooters event and the Monday qualifier was like full.
Speaker 2: I mean it was one hundred players. The Hooters Tour
Speaker 2: used to be like the thing, the thing, I mean,
Speaker 2: Chad Campbell gave up a web membership to come back
Speaker 2: and play for one hundred thousand dollars bonus on the
Speaker 2: Hooters Tour. I mean it was unreal. If you look
Speaker 2: at those money lists, they're crazy.
Speaker 3: So is the trip still going on or is it over?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: So my dad's older, he can't.
Speaker 3: He doesn't go with the thing. He doesn't do the seventy.
Speaker 2: Two, he doesn't do the seventy two anymore.
Speaker 1: But it got to get on the minor league, just
Speaker 1: the one day, yeah, with the cart and just hand
Speaker 1: it out right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So let's see who did he can't. Oh, he
Speaker 2: can'ty for J. C. Deacon who just uh just mondayed
Speaker 2: into the RBC.
Speaker 3: SO University of Florida coach.
Speaker 2: Yes, pretty crazy crazy Monday. I mean he still plays
Speaker 2: a lot. He plays on like the Mini tours down
Speaker 2: in Florida on the off season. But I mean he
Speaker 2: had a good career, a decent career.
Speaker 1: I feel like being a college coach is a great way.
Speaker 1: Like Mike Small obviously infamous. Like I think his you know,
Speaker 1: Mike Small's made cut percentage from like a span in
Speaker 1: the mid two thousands was like second only to Tiger
Speaker 1: on tour.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it has to be. The guy could
Speaker 2: obviously dominate if he'd just stopped coaching, Like he could
Speaker 2: go to the senior too and do pretty much whatever
Speaker 2: he wants.
Speaker 3: Guy rolls out of bed and she's sixty he does.
Speaker 2: It's like, I mean he had to be so mad
Speaker 2: that the PGA was moved. I mean yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: he would have obviously been there and probably made the cut.
Speaker 3: So you start this Monday Q, when did you start
Speaker 3: it a year ago?
Speaker 2: One year ago? Because I started it after I Caddy
Speaker 2: did a Monday qualifier. The guy Caddy four a lot
Speaker 2: when he comes up and I've hosted a few times.
Speaker 2: CD Hockersmith was like, dude, you just got us start
Speaker 2: an account, like you know, there's golf nerds out there.
Speaker 2: But so one year ago I caddied form and this
Speaker 2: year last week was the Monday qualifier for the Evans
Speaker 2: or two weeks ago, I guess.
Speaker 1: It was the rest yeah, like about a year ago today, Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: because that was always the that was the week after
Speaker 1: the sectional qualify.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, because the Monday was always super light, like
Speaker 2: there was no one here.
Speaker 1: That was always I always said that was the best Monday, yes,
Speaker 1: to play in. So this this web event now yes
Speaker 1: week was the best Monday to play.
Speaker 2: Yes, for sure.
Speaker 1: The BMW one they don't have a Monday. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's why they moved it.
Speaker 2: Yep, that's probably why they moved it, because yeah, well
Speaker 2: up here, I mean I remember there was seventy first six.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I was I like looked at the scores.
Speaker 1: I was like, I should have played, and trust me,
Speaker 1: we played with a guy last year that shot eighty six.
Speaker 1: We were on the range and the guy was like
Speaker 1: hitting scribblers off the end of the range and we're like, oh,
Speaker 1: we feel sorry for the whoever's playing with that guy.
Speaker 2: We walked up ten and there he was with us.
Speaker 1: So it's uh so a year ago, right so, and
Speaker 1: like has become an Internet sensation, Like.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's I really have no I keep saying it,
Speaker 2: like I have no understanding of what it's become. I
Speaker 2: know it's growing fast. I know I have a lot
Speaker 2: of players that reach out to me and people have
Speaker 2: been super awesome, but uh yeah, it was never intended
Speaker 2: to get this. That was not I thought if I
Speaker 2: had three hundred followers, it would be crazy if I
Speaker 2: had five hundred. I never even I honestly didn't think
Speaker 2: this far ahead. I've never like I never got to
Speaker 2: this point. If I were, and I thought about what
Speaker 2: the account would become.
Speaker 1: It's amazing because he like he you know, going from zero,
Speaker 1: Like yes, when you get to like five hundred, you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: imagine what would happen when I have a thousand? Right,
Speaker 1: and then you get there and then you're all of
Speaker 1: a suddenly and then like you get your next thousand
Speaker 1: like at a day.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I mean it's like I grow now like
Speaker 2: the hundred, and I was like I remember being excited
Speaker 2: about a ten in a four or five days span.
Speaker 2: You're like, oh, yeah, I'm up to five hundred and
Speaker 2: twenty five followers, and.
Speaker 3: Then you get to ten thousand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it's crazy.
Speaker 1: It's I think like you've tapped into something. And I
Speaker 1: I am obviously a big believer in this because I
Speaker 1: think the fridayk serves golf nerds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, different as.
Speaker 3: Different realm than what you do.
Speaker 1: And I really admire and appreciate like you did something
Speaker 1: different than everybody else is doing and it's something that
Speaker 1: golf nerds and I think that you tapped into something
Speaker 1: like the Internet is built for people to learn, and
Speaker 1: like in that's it embraced their inner nerd in a way.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. I mean my brother used to say, like,
Speaker 2: if you had this much golf knowledge about space travel,
Speaker 2: you would be on the moon. And I'm like, he's like,
Speaker 2: but what good does it do you? And so I
Speaker 2: always send my updates to my brother like Hey, I'm
Speaker 2: at this many followers or whatever, because I mean I'm
Speaker 2: a true golf nerd and now I guess I have
Speaker 2: an outlet for it and people are appreciating it.
Speaker 1: So when you were working in the restaurant industry. Were
Speaker 1: you following all this stuff? Yeah, religious, Yeah, I'm not
Speaker 1: as quite as religiously obviously.
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously it's gotten more religiously now, but I
Speaker 2: mean through caddying, I just met a bunch of guys,
Speaker 2: so I'd always check up on them, like where they
Speaker 2: were playing, what they were doing. Mondays was obviously the
Speaker 2: most often I'd look at those, But yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: they I've pettied for guys that are spread out from
Speaker 2: web to still on the Minor League Tour or Dakota's
Speaker 2: Tour or whatever, Asia Asia Golden State Tour. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean they're everywhere. I saw a guy I caddied for
Speaker 2: a long time ago, that Mitch Tasker who played in
Speaker 2: a pro am on the austral Asian Tour. That is
Speaker 2: just like out of the blue. I didn't even know
Speaker 2: he was playing. Like, I was looking at those things
Speaker 2: every once in a while, a lot, probably by most
Speaker 2: people's standards, but not as much as I am now.
Speaker 2: Obviously I don't have the time to do it now.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think it's just a you know, like
Speaker 2: you and I were talking, I think it's almost a
Speaker 2: curse to be very good at a sport, but not
Speaker 2: Tiger Woods or you know, Phil Mickelson, are those kind
Speaker 2: of things. I mean, the grind to get to the
Speaker 2: PGA Tour is something a lot of people just don't
Speaker 2: know about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's definitely the most undercovered aspect of the game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: unlike I think in a lot of ways, minor league
Speaker 1: baseball is a grind that nobody covers really and you know,
Speaker 1: you don't hear about. And it's similar in a way.
Speaker 1: I think pitchers and golfers are really similar because, like
Speaker 1: the skill sets, they're both non reactionary activities. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, like if you're a minor league baseball player,
Speaker 1: they're traveling you around your lodgings, picked up your food,
Speaker 1: you don't have to do anything like these guys out grinding.
Speaker 3: They eat what they kill.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. I mean I always tell the story we
Speaker 2: house CD and Michael Rush and my wife might get
Speaker 2: mad at me for telling this story, but it's quite funny.
Speaker 2: So my wife makes them dinner and the chicken had
Speaker 2: so much salt in it I was inedible, and both
Speaker 2: these guys are sitting there and eating this, and I
Speaker 2: was like, hey, guys, you don't have to eat it.
Speaker 2: We're just gonna get pizza. And they're like, oh no,
Speaker 2: anything free. I mean, I it. A perfect example is
Speaker 2: CD staying at my house last week. I mean he
Speaker 2: literally stayed in my little pony themed bedroom and that's
Speaker 2: to save one hundred dollars because you know, the trip's
Speaker 2: gonna cost him a thousand. If it can cost him
Speaker 2: eight hundred, then he's gonna do it. I mean, and
Speaker 2: he literally drove my twenty eleven Hundai at Luntra around
Speaker 2: that has the check engine light because it's free and
Speaker 2: he didn't have to run a car. And so I
Speaker 2: think that's the side that people just don't see. I mean,
Speaker 2: Joel Damon is a perfect example. The guy was had
Speaker 2: some bad results for a long time on some pretty
Speaker 2: obscure tours and I mean, and now he's a millionaire,
Speaker 2: but the grind to get there people just don't see. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think that's and I find the guys.
Speaker 1: The like the way golf is covered is that the
Speaker 1: top ten players, top fifteen to twenty players get all
Speaker 1: the coverage and the rest of the stories kind of
Speaker 1: are heaped aside unless they win, like Adam Long, perfect example,
Speaker 1: like nobody knew anything about Adam Long until he won.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for the most part, right, I mean, I think
Speaker 2: you know, I've talked to players before, and what I
Speaker 2: say is that the group of grinders is endless, right Like,
Speaker 2: if ten of them got injured today, there's ten more
Speaker 2: that could replace them that the tour is not going
Speaker 2: to care about and doesn't have time to market. There's
Speaker 2: an endless supply of grinders. There's tours all over the
Speaker 2: world that have awesome players that could easily fill that void.
Speaker 2: So they don't care, they don't market them. And these
Speaker 2: guys are, like Ed Lord said, you know, we're the
Speaker 2: one percent of the one percent, and but they can
Speaker 2: fill that vacuum in a in a heartbeat. You know.
Speaker 2: They're just not part of the tour. They don't make
Speaker 2: the tour any money. They don't make equipment companies any money.
Speaker 2: They're they're filling a void. But they're amazing golfers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's it's a different situation than a role
Speaker 1: player on like a team exactly because a role player
Speaker 1: on their team, like there's only one singular focus of
Speaker 1: a television coverage right on whether it's baseball, basketball, football,
Speaker 1: and any fan of that team is going to know
Speaker 1: the you know, offensive guard for their football team because
Speaker 1: they see him play all the time. But these are
Speaker 1: the guys that never no golf fans ever see play
Speaker 1: unless they're in contention exactly.
Speaker 2: And you know, I was. I just sent a message
Speaker 2: to Justin Huber who's injured, and it's actually the opposite.
Speaker 2: Whereas in a team sport, people want you to come back,
Speaker 2: whether you're the twelfth man, you fill some sort of
Speaker 2: role on a team, whereas Justin Huber or anybody else
Speaker 2: getting injured actually creates an opportunity for someone that wants
Speaker 2: your job. And so it's it's so different than any
Speaker 2: other sport because you are once you're gone, like Justin Huber,
Speaker 2: outside of his friends, I'm sure not people are like
Speaker 2: texting him. He's not part of the CAMARADERI. No teammates
Speaker 2: are waiting for him to come back. His role has
Speaker 2: been filled in a heartbeat in a second.
Speaker 1: And do they have like a I know with like
Speaker 1: the PGA tour they have medical leave, Like does the
Speaker 1: web not have anything?
Speaker 2: I don't know if they do. I asked Justin that
Speaker 2: I've sent him a bunch of questions and he's gonna
Speaker 2: get back to me. So it was one of my
Speaker 2: questions because I know the PGA Tour does, but I
Speaker 2: don't know about the web.
Speaker 1: That's it's It's something I don't know either. So that
Speaker 1: was something that just popped into my mind. So you
Speaker 1: start this thing and it blows up, like what what
Speaker 1: is it?
Speaker 2: Tracking?
Speaker 1: I mean you cover everything like I didn't even know
Speaker 1: I'm like the biggest golf nerd. I didn't even know
Speaker 1: the Outlaw Tour existed. Yeah, and yeah, so so you're
Speaker 1: tracking every like when I say every tour for those
Speaker 1: that don't don't follow Ryan, like he tracks every tour,
Speaker 1: like tours you've never even heard of.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I I've even found. I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: a golf nerd for sure. There's tours that I'm starting
Speaker 2: to hear about that I didn't know existed. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean I try to cover as many tours that
Speaker 2: I know of that I can't. Yeah, the Outlaw Tour
Speaker 2: kind of replace the Gateway Tour. I mean, there's a
Speaker 2: bunch of tours out out in Scottsdale now, but Outlaw
Speaker 2: Tour is one of them, and the scores out there
Speaker 2: are ridiculous. So it makes for good content. I mean,
Speaker 2: like Charlie Belgian, you guys know pretty well. I mean
Speaker 2: shot like sixty two, sixty three, sixty four, that's not exact,
Speaker 2: but it's something like that. The winner shot twenty seven
Speaker 2: under in three rounds.
Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite things is Charlie Belgian, former
Speaker 1: former PGA Tour winner.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's now playing this outlaw tour and and
Speaker 1: he got into he got into what was the opposite.
Speaker 2: Field, Puerto Rico. Yeah, Puerto Rico.
Speaker 1: In his Twitter profile says former PGA Tour player is
Speaker 1: armor pro golfer and he's like into crypto now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, and he made a run last yeah,
Speaker 2: this weekend sectionals and he I think he's I don't
Speaker 2: know if he got an alternate spot. He tied for
Speaker 2: alternate spot, but I don't know where he fell with
Speaker 2: the playoff. But yeah, he's into bitcoins now.
Speaker 1: But so is the US Open and sectional qualifying like
Speaker 1: the super Bowl of your ear?
Speaker 3: I always say the Masters this super Bowl, right right?
Speaker 2: Uh, I don't know know, I think like probably the
Speaker 2: Honda is probably the super Bowl. I mean, he's fallen
Speaker 2: a little bit different on the schedule but the Honda
Speaker 2: field was pretty The Honda field for the Monday it
Speaker 2: is pretty ridiculous. I mean this is like the I mean,
Speaker 2: the US Open is very exciting, but I if I
Speaker 2: had to pick a like a super Bowl of Mondays,
Speaker 2: it would probably be the Honda. The Hondas is pretty outstanding.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's too bad that they don't get that
Speaker 1: qual Monday Q at the Fountains course.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, right, exactly.
Speaker 3: Boy Stevie Lebron, they would even show up.
Speaker 2: No, they would just I mean they would play for
Speaker 2: five for three spots, you know. I mean they would
Speaker 2: just be like, Okay, Steve's in and then there's.
Speaker 1: Maybe Sonny Kim. They might give Sonny Kim a spot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean the Minor League tour guys might just wipe
Speaker 1: it clean. You know, what's your what's your favorite, uh
Speaker 1: favorite of the mini tours to cover?
Speaker 2: I mean, the the mini tours are so fractured now.
Speaker 2: I mean the mini tours used to be really good,
Speaker 2: you know, the Hooters days, the eGolf days. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm following. I'm talking with Matt Ryan, who's
Speaker 2: on the l A Tour.
Speaker 1: I mean, the he had a what was it he
Speaker 1: had that fling of notoriety a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: I forgot what he did. He did, Yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Swear, I remember Matt Ryan was like in the news
Speaker 1: for something.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: My brain works, I remember, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I have to I have to find out. I have
Speaker 2: to ask.
Speaker 1: Like ten years ago, something happened with Matt Ryan. It's
Speaker 1: gonna kill me. We're gonna find it. We'll find out
Speaker 1: before and then we'll publish this and then.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll both get messages exactly. So. I mean, he
Speaker 2: played on the E Golf Tour and he sent me
Speaker 2: the money list. I mean the money list was four
Speaker 2: hundred players. And so those those days are over, you know,
Speaker 2: because of the Canadian, Latin American China. That's changed many tours,
Speaker 2: many tours are I mean, we might see the end
Speaker 2: of well, I think we'll definitely see the end of
Speaker 2: fifty four seventy two whole Mani Tour events. I just
Speaker 2: don't think you'll see a lot of West Florida. You know,
Speaker 2: many minor league tour those kind of things, but it's
Speaker 2: so regionalized now we'll never see a Hooters. As long
Speaker 2: as the Latin American Canadian.
Speaker 1: It's because of the guaranteed spot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they're all playing for five spots and
Speaker 2: to skip stages at Q school.
Speaker 1: So it's crazy to me that like the top ten
Speaker 1: doesn't get spots.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they're changing it next year. They're gonna get
Speaker 2: better status. So the top five gets status now automatically,
Speaker 2: and then top ten get to final stage and top
Speaker 2: twenty get to second stage. I think. So the top
Speaker 2: five has had crappy besides number one, who gets full status,
Speaker 2: two through five have kind of had crappy status. So
Speaker 2: that changes a little bit next year. But back to
Speaker 2: your original question, my favorite mini tour, I mean the
Speaker 2: Minor League Tour is pretty tough to I mean there's
Speaker 2: a lot of name The West Florida Tour is really good.
Speaker 2: It has a lot of like Danny, you know, Daniel
Speaker 2: Chopra is down there. They have a lot of names.
Speaker 2: But many tours are not what they used to be
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Minor League Tour is crazy because like you'll
Speaker 1: see in the offseason guys PGA Tour players playing these
Speaker 1: one day events. Yes, and like you'll see guys like
Speaker 1: like we were talking about before we started recording, John Kuran.
Speaker 2: Yep, Yeah, I mean he won a mini tour event.
Speaker 2: I mean he won a minor league tour event. You'll
Speaker 2: see like Ben Taylor who won on the on the
Speaker 2: Web last year and was bored in the offseason, went
Speaker 2: and played in won an event. You know, like Kevin
Speaker 2: Twy plays in the two Man like Tory Connors. Yeah, Cory,
Speaker 2: I mean that feels like got like ten top one
Speaker 2: hundred FedEx Club points in it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The John Kran think's crazy because two years ago I
Speaker 1: think he was in a memorial playoffs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's like That's what kind of started me.
Speaker 2: As Like I would go to these mini tours and
Speaker 2: I'd be like, oh my god, he's still playing, or
Speaker 2: like wow, I didn't know you're still playing, or why
Speaker 2: I forgot about him or whatever. On top of you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, I Brian Davis is a perfect example. Brian
Speaker 2: Davis plays on the Moonlight Tour. The Moonlight Tour literally
Speaker 2: has is one hundred bucks cash to tee it up,
Speaker 2: and there's twelve guys, sometimes seven guys, and there's like
Speaker 2: Freddie Yakobsen plays, Chris Couch plays, Brian Davis plays. I mean,
Speaker 2: Brian Davis has over twenty million dollars in career earnings
Speaker 2: and he's playing on the Moonlight Tour.
Speaker 1: So I think he just hit on something with you know,
Speaker 1: guys like Brian Davis, Like with the way the tour
Speaker 1: is now. I think like the youth invasions partly because
Speaker 1: of technology, like where it's a different game than it
Speaker 1: used to be for these guys. And I think we're
Speaker 1: gonna see more and more of this where more and
Speaker 1: more guys are going to be sitting around from forty two.
Speaker 3: To fifty waiting for the Champions.
Speaker 1: Tour, and that's where maybe the mini tours have something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean I I definitely you know, to
Speaker 2: that point you bring up is yeah, I definitely see
Speaker 2: more veterans out there. They don't have a place to play.
Speaker 2: They don't really want to play web events because it
Speaker 2: just really financially doesn't make sense. They have a plenty
Speaker 2: of money, they want a place to play. So Brian
Speaker 2: Davis plays in he plays in Monday qualifiers. He's done
Speaker 2: pretty well this year and he's at home and he
Speaker 2: wants a place to play. It's not about money, obviously,
Speaker 2: because if you win, you win three hundred bucks or
Speaker 2: four hundred bucks. So it's not about money. He just
Speaker 2: doesn't want He's not gonna chase a web card. He's
Speaker 2: gonna wait for the He's gonna try his best on
Speaker 2: the limited starts he gets, try to Monday qualify and
Speaker 2: get a top ten and get back in the in
Speaker 2: the Shuffle, and then when he's not he's gonna be
Speaker 2: at home playing the Moonlight Tour. And I mean again,
Speaker 2: I think I did a stead a long time ago,
Speaker 2: but it was like a nine player field and there
Speaker 2: was at the Moonlight Tour, and there's like fifty two
Speaker 2: million dollars in PJ earnings in the field. Like Chris
Speaker 2: Kouch has a win, Brian Davis has a European Tour win,
Speaker 2: Freddy Yakkinson has like two wins. It was like fifty
Speaker 2: two million in a nine man field or something.
Speaker 3: It's nuts.
Speaker 2: It is nuts.
Speaker 3: I'll never forget.
Speaker 1: I've played the Minor League Tour and I got paired
Speaker 1: up with Derek Fan. Oh yeah, so he finished like
Speaker 1: two years before the year before he finished third in
Speaker 1: Q School and and earned his PGA Tour card and
Speaker 1: then he I mean he he got he was young,
Speaker 1: and he he made like three cuts.
Speaker 3: I guess he was like living the life and yeah,
Speaker 3: and he.
Speaker 1: Was back playing on the Minor League Golf Tour, you know,
Speaker 1: one year later like this All American, like I think
Speaker 1: three time All American in Louisville, you know, from PGA
Speaker 1: Tour back to the minor league Tour and one year.
Speaker 1: And that's one of the crazy things I think about,
Speaker 1: is like, you know, a guy can have a bad
Speaker 1: year on the PGA Tour and have no status.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Paul Haley. I use him as an example a lot.
Speaker 2: He's back on the He's back on the Web dot
Speaker 2: Com Tour. He won, like I don't know the exact stats,
Speaker 2: but I think he won twice his first year and
Speaker 2: had like two top you know, or three more top fives.
Speaker 2: He had like an unreal year, went to the PGA
Speaker 2: Tour and did nothing and finish like below two hundredth
Speaker 2: then FedEx and he had to go all the way
Speaker 2: back to first stage and didn't get through first stage
Speaker 2: and literally went from one of the best Web years
Speaker 2: in the last ten years to no status at all,
Speaker 2: virtually had a little Web status. But like so I
Speaker 2: mean that is again the side of and like kind
Speaker 2: of what the account is about is like people don't realize.
Speaker 2: I didn't realize until I like really started digging into
Speaker 2: this stuff how quickly your status can go away. I
Speaker 2: mean you can literally be courtesy cars to minor league
Speaker 2: tour in a year and a half.
Speaker 1: It's not it's the in like you said, this society
Speaker 1: golf that nobody's nobody's covering and nobody's talking about and
Speaker 1: and that's like it's kind of everybody points to like
Speaker 1: tie try On yep, but there there are hundreds of
Speaker 1: Tai Tryons out there, just they just didn't qualify for
Speaker 1: the tour at seventeen.
Speaker 2: Yep, exactly. I mean there's a there's a guy that
Speaker 2: got through a sectionals, Andreas Helberson. He turned pro at
Speaker 2: eighteen and hasn't done anything. I mean he's done pretty
Speaker 2: well in the LA on the Latin American Tour, but
Speaker 2: you know, but again, it's such a it becomes like
Speaker 2: you go out there, you're an amazing He was an
Speaker 2: amazing amateur, came to the United States like was in
Speaker 2: a you know, one of these like camps, and he
Speaker 2: turned pro at eighteen, and he you know, he can't
Speaker 2: get through Q school. He's not even close and it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, it's the Ti Trion. There's a thousand Tai
Speaker 2: Trion's out there, and they're all very good, and there's
Speaker 2: already players the ten years priors ty Trion's are already
Speaker 2: out there, and that's where you have to beat to
Speaker 2: get your card.
Speaker 1: So on my other podcast, a Shatka Start, Brendan and
Speaker 1: I have a you know, we tend to latch onto
Speaker 1: some of these mini tour menaces the right legends that
Speaker 1: just torment many tours, you know, whether it's Steve Lebron
Speaker 1: Fountains on the Minor League Tour, the Wizard Ted Potter
Speaker 1: back in the day on the Hooters Tour was just
Speaker 1: a prolific winner. Yes, who are today some of the
Speaker 1: most iconic mini tour players that you feel like they're
Speaker 1: just they're one good breakaway from becoming, you know, a
Speaker 1: household name.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean from a domination standpoint. Andre Metzker in
Speaker 2: the the Dakota's Tour. Now, he's relatively older, he's like
Speaker 2: thirty four to thirty five, but I mean he wins.
Speaker 2: I think there's like twelve Dakota's Tours event and he'll
Speaker 2: win three every year, and he'll have, Like, I mean,
Speaker 2: he is one of the few guys that can easily
Speaker 2: make a living playing many tours. Like he's been in
Speaker 2: the top too or three of the of the Order
Speaker 2: of Merit for like nine years straight. I mean he
Speaker 2: just goes up there and collects checks. I mean I
Speaker 2: think he has like twelve or thirteen wins in five years.
Speaker 3: Did you ever caddy on the Dakota's Tour?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: Yeah once?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's that's one of the mini tours that
Speaker 1: interest me.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean it and there was I mean
Speaker 2: it was in I have to look it up, but
Speaker 2: I mean it was in North Dakota in like the
Speaker 2: middle of a you know nowhere, and back in those days,
Speaker 2: that was the good days of many tours. I mean
Speaker 2: there was like one hundred and fifteen guys, and I
Speaker 2: mean there's six hotel, six hotels within twenty miles.
Speaker 1: And they're like fans come out to those Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's again they have the thing that happens
Speaker 1: in town, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah. They have no outlet for golf, like no PGA
Speaker 2: web anything is going to ever come close to it.
Speaker 2: And they're like, there's way more fans at a Dakota's
Speaker 2: Tour event than at most WEB events. I mean I
Speaker 2: sent out a picture of the of the WEB event here.
Speaker 2: Uh it was Charlie Seaffert, Campos and somebody else. They're
Speaker 2: all in the top fifteen in the money list, and
Speaker 2: they literally had zero fans. I mean literally, not a grandma,
Speaker 2: not a mom, not a girlfriend, nothing, zero fans.
Speaker 1: That's I think one of the problems with the WEB.
Speaker 1: And I think one of the things you see and
Speaker 1: you see it with LPGA, you see it with seniors
Speaker 1: is like going to major metro markets, like there's so
Speaker 1: much other stuff to do that people get lost. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like those the smaller tours and even like to
Speaker 1: a certain extent PGA tour events like coming to Chicago,
Speaker 1: like you're you're sure you're going to draw, but like
Speaker 1: like the Solheim Cup when it went to Cedar Rapids, Yep,
Speaker 1: that was the biggest exactly or was it Des Moines.
Speaker 1: I think it was Des Moines was the biggest outdoor
Speaker 1: sporting event.
Speaker 2: Like because it's the only thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the biggest thing that's ever got.
Speaker 1: So I think that's like something that some of these
Speaker 1: mini tours hit on, like especially the code of stour
Speaker 1: and and what web events and like we see it
Speaker 1: in Idaho.
Speaker 3: The Idaho event always has passed.
Speaker 2: Right, So back to the original question, is Kevin alw
Speaker 2: is probably probably the best player that hasn't made it.
Speaker 2: I just tweeted about him. He's been super helpful with
Speaker 2: the account. He's gone three months and has not shot
Speaker 2: a score over par in a competitive event. I mean
Speaker 2: he's got he sent I think he has twenty four
Speaker 2: or twenty five, three, two or three day wins. He
Speaker 2: doesn't count one day wins like he is. I mean
Speaker 2: he is and everyone that, like I put the stat
Speaker 2: out about him, and I probably got the most messages
Speaker 2: or replies about like that. He just needs the right opportunity,
Speaker 2: Like if he gets on there, if he gets on
Speaker 2: the web, he's gonna be fine. He just has to
Speaker 2: play well in December and October.
Speaker 1: How much easier is getting the count? Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: definitely running that count. Yeah, definitely becoming easier in some
Speaker 1: ways easier because people send me stuff a lot. But
Speaker 1: also like now I'm getting really obscure. I mean one
Speaker 1: of my most popular tweets was from the Alps tour
Speaker 1: in Europe.
Speaker 2: I mean that is. I mean, I knew of the tour,
Speaker 2: but that's pretty obscure.
Speaker 3: That would be a cool one to go cat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it would be. Yeah, it would And they
Speaker 2: always go super low in that tour. Now that I've
Speaker 2: started to follow it more, I mean they go, that
Speaker 2: was the one that what the guy was I shot
Speaker 2: sixty two, sixty two, sixty three and one by one
Speaker 2: or something like that.
Speaker 1: I imagine the way that your account, like what you
Speaker 1: do has changed dramatically, Mike, just you know, researching score
Speaker 1: now like you're you you're communicating with all these guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, uh yeah, Again, it's very surreal of
Speaker 2: like what this has become. Yet. I mean, guys reach
Speaker 2: out to me of like try to find Mondays they
Speaker 2: can't find the Monday or like a contact person uh
Speaker 2: for the Monday. I used to have to try to
Speaker 2: track down like the PJA section to help me with
Speaker 2: information on the playof Now most of them just reach
Speaker 2: out to me. Is like I have too many people
Speaker 2: sending me information from the Monday playoff. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: there's definitely advantages to having it more, but again, there's
Speaker 2: so much content, you know, It's like now I have
Speaker 2: to pick through it and people who have followed for
Speaker 2: a long time who sent me stuff. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, I'll try to get to it. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean it's again, it's crazy that it's got to
Speaker 2: this point. Crazy. Yeah, it's.
Speaker 3: It's really cool.
Speaker 1: I mean I'm a big fan of the account and
Speaker 1: I think you're you're doing something smart. So sponsors exemptions
Speaker 1: are always like a hot topic. Yes, and I'm curious
Speaker 1: what if you were if you were the if you
Speaker 1: were in charge of picking out sponsors exemptions for an event,
Speaker 1: what what would you how would you fill the four spots?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think exemptions used to used to
Speaker 2: be and should be, you know, save for guys who
Speaker 2: uh I'll use it. I just talked to a guy
Speaker 2: named Tom Wrkmeister who's on the Senior Tour. Was like,
Speaker 2: had a decorated amateur career and now like gave it
Speaker 2: up to Yeah, yeah from Michigan. From Michigan. He's from
Speaker 2: Grand Rapids. Yeah, I mean like won the Michigan Open
Speaker 2: as an on the Senior Tour. Now yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: well you know he's he's chasing Mondays. He finished like
Speaker 2: twelfth at final stage, so he gets like into Monday.
Speaker 2: He doesn't have to do preques.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a real quick question first, somebody
Speaker 1: told me this, in order to play Monday cues on
Speaker 1: the Senior do you have to be a professional.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think you as an amateur, you can go
Speaker 2: through pre q, but you can't. You can advance into it,
Speaker 2: but you can't play Mondays, right, So yeah, Mondays are
Speaker 2: even Like the Senior Tour is the most closed tour,
Speaker 2: like we we always say. I always ask like Kyle, look,
Speaker 2: guys that grounded for a long time. Kyle Thompson ed, Lord, like, hey,
Speaker 2: are you gonna do it at fifty? And they're like,
Speaker 2: it's the hardest tour in the world to get onto.
Speaker 2: There's five spots every year. Yeah, And they don't care.
Speaker 2: They don't want people like.
Speaker 1: They don't want they don't want Ken Tannegaut, they don't want.
Speaker 2: No, No, they don't they don't want Ed Lower, No
Speaker 2: offense to Edd, they just don't want them. They want,
Speaker 2: you know, the Marco Meras and wait till Tiger turns fifty,
Speaker 2: and that's how they sell the tour. Like they don't
Speaker 2: they don't want him. Like a guy that I've caddied
Speaker 2: for before great Craft, you know, made it. They don't
Speaker 2: want great Craft.
Speaker 1: But ironically, I think it's fascinating that a lot of
Speaker 1: the guys that didn't have huge success on the PGA
Speaker 1: Tour have huge success on the senior too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that especially the Champions does not
Speaker 2: a great job of selling Like what a story Scott
Speaker 2: Parrell is or Ken you know, like those are crazy stories.
Speaker 2: I mean, Scott Parrell is the ultimate grinder. They will
Speaker 2: never I don't think there will be anyone that can
Speaker 2: last and have this as long as he hasn't had
Speaker 2: this success that he's had. Now it's insane.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess Lanny was laying into him really
Speaker 1: on the on the telecast last week because he lost
Speaker 1: the league. He was like, Oh, he just doesn't know
Speaker 1: how to win, you know, he's you know, Lanny was
Speaker 1: pulling the like, oh he's he's not like me card.
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean like the guy. I mean it was
Speaker 2: a computer programmer. But so anyway, back to the Monday qualifiers.
Speaker 2: Even the Monday qualifiers that Champions are are closed doors,
Speaker 2: so you have to finish. You have to finish in
Speaker 2: the top twenty at final stage just to be able
Speaker 2: to skip preqs, like I mean in prequ's like Ken
Speaker 2: Duke is in pre pre qualifiers for seniors, no way, Yeah,
Speaker 2: so it.
Speaker 1: Guy shot the best round in me and players, Yes, yes, true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, gotta play at pre Q. So good. I think
Speaker 2: I think it's can do. But I mean, like if
Speaker 2: you go to a pre Q for champions, there's like
Speaker 2: plenty of guys that are like, you know, recognizable names
Speaker 2: because they didn't finish in the top whatever at final stage.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean so Tom Workmeister is a perfect
Speaker 2: example of like you know, it's a closed door out there.
Speaker 2: He's like had a decorated amateur career and he's chasing
Speaker 2: Mondays every Monday and doing his job. He has a
Speaker 2: marketing job that he does from the road. That's it.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's I think one of the things we'll
Speaker 1: see with the way that the world's changing is like
Speaker 1: so many more people are remote with work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think about it now, Like.
Speaker 1: I just moved to the suburbs, like being able, Like
Speaker 1: now I can actually like not being in the city,
Speaker 1: I can actually go.
Speaker 3: Hit golf balls.
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's like I could go hit golf balls every
Speaker 1: morning and be home and working at eight in the war.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: And that's like, you know, an unbelievable change. But that's
Speaker 1: like what remote works can do now for people.
Speaker 2: Yep. I agree.
Speaker 1: It's so I think we're going to see more and
Speaker 1: more Scott Perels, more Tan Tanagawa's more workmeisters.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, obviously, the thing that slows players down
Speaker 2: all the time across any is financial. I mean Tom
Speaker 2: Wrkmeisert's a perfect example, is like he can't afford it.
Speaker 2: He's got guys from his club that you know, supporting him.
Speaker 2: So that's always been the avenue that stops most players.
Speaker 2: It's generally not talent, it's they're running out of money.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, to have a full mini tour season,
Speaker 2: you need a lot of money.
Speaker 1: What do you have a gauge on costs of? Like,
Speaker 1: what's it? And I think this is something that people
Speaker 1: are always fascinated about. It's like, what's the cost of
Speaker 1: a guy with no status? What's the cost you know,
Speaker 1: maybe escalated up?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, uh, it depends on what tour you play,
Speaker 2: but I'll use uh, I'll use Matt Ryan as an example.
Speaker 2: He said, so there's a fifteen on Latin America he's
Speaker 2: on Latin America. It's probably the most expensive tour out there.
Speaker 2: Canada's pretty close. Matt spends two thousand dollars roughly a
Speaker 2: week to play, and I mean two thousand dollars. You
Speaker 2: have to finish top fifteen to break even, So I
Speaker 2: mean he's losing money. The top five guys might make
Speaker 2: a little. The rest doesn't even include like insurance. No, no,
Speaker 2: that that doesn't include rent, like all of your living costs. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's taught, he's talking you know, merely getting there, playing
Speaker 2: a week room, pay a caddy, you know those kind
Speaker 2: of things. I mean it's two thousand dollars and that's
Speaker 2: a small part of his seasons, not even half of
Speaker 2: his season. You have Q School five thousand. You know, generally,
Speaker 2: a lot of guys that I know that play a
Speaker 2: mixture of MANI Tours, Monday Qualifiers. I look around fifty
Speaker 2: thousand dollars in costs per year, and that doesn't include
Speaker 2: you know, rent, all those kind of things.
Speaker 1: So I generally will say, is that you need one
Speaker 1: hundred grand to really give it a shot.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, And and I mean most of these guys
Speaker 2: don't make even if they cash a big check. They
Speaker 2: have sponsors, and most of it goes back to their sponsors.
Speaker 2: So they have some sort of ladder, meaning like if
Speaker 2: they make less than ten thousand dollars, eighty percent goes
Speaker 2: back to their sponsors, twenty percent goes to the player.
Speaker 2: If they make above fifteen you know, seventy thirty, sixty, forty,
Speaker 2: so on and so forth, and then they have some
Speaker 2: sort of multiplier that ends the relationship. So that's there's
Speaker 2: a lot of different agreements among sponsors, but that's the
Speaker 2: most popular.
Speaker 3: One I've been.
Speaker 1: I do these this flashback fridays for shot gonna start.
Speaker 1: I found some obscure things like Kenny Perry. Yeah, his
Speaker 1: deal with the guy that gave it back to them
Speaker 1: the last time he qualified, well, he hadn't qualified, so
Speaker 1: the guy that backed him.
Speaker 2: Was a lipscum.
Speaker 1: Oh really, Brad, Yeah, and he he donated like three
Speaker 1: percent of his career earnings to lipscumb. The deal was
Speaker 1: like three percent of your earnings go to Lipscomb. You
Speaker 1: don't pay me back, right, and so like a Kenny
Speaker 1: Perry scholarship at lipsoh.
Speaker 2: He went to all that story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then and then you've got like guys like
Speaker 1: Ben Silverman. Yeah, I started reading about Ben Silverman. He
Speaker 1: has a crazy story with like just this random guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah backed him, like his parents were like skeptical of it.
Speaker 2: I mean Luke Kwan is a great story in itself,
Speaker 2: but he was so he went to Oklahoma, tried it
Speaker 2: for a year, ran out of money, lost his citizenship,
Speaker 2: was working as a for Kaddy anyway, had to get
Speaker 2: his citizenship in New Zealand, got citizenship, started a YouTube
Speaker 2: channel about golf and found sponsors through a YouTube channel,
Speaker 2: and then just one on PJ Tour China, like a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago. But so back to the financial part.
Speaker 2: It depends. So I used Steve Lebron as a perfect
Speaker 2: example of how many tours you just can't make it.
Speaker 2: I mean Steve Lebron won every other event in the
Speaker 2: Minor League Tour.
Speaker 1: I think he's got seventy six career wins, but then
Speaker 1: he has five co wins.
Speaker 3: Yeah, darkness shortened co wins.
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, I'm so Steve is a perfect example of
Speaker 2: so he's staying at home. The Minor League Tour is
Speaker 2: a tour that you can stay at home. And I
Speaker 2: interviewed him after his sixty one or sixty two at
Speaker 2: the final stage the last day, and he said, I'd
Speaker 2: like to tell you I was making it, but I
Speaker 2: wasn't making it. You know, he had credit cards maxed
Speaker 2: out trying to get to the BGA Tour, and so
Speaker 2: if he's not making it on the minor league tour,
Speaker 2: meaning he's not making money, you can understand what all
Speaker 2: the rest of those guys are going through.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and think of it like this is the guy
Speaker 1: that you'd see in a field in a minor league
Speaker 1: event and you'll be like, well, like probably gonna finish
Speaker 1: second if I play the best round of my life.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: This is the guy like this isn't the best player
Speaker 1: of your club, this is the best player in South Florida.
Speaker 2: Yep. That's not on a major tour exactly. I mean.
Speaker 2: And you know, he was like, hey, I'd play, you know,
Speaker 2: I'd win a couple of times, so we'd pay a
Speaker 2: couple of bills, but then I'd have you know, three
Speaker 2: events where I had to pay the interro fee and
Speaker 2: I didn't play well, and I you know, I mean
Speaker 2: it was kind of it was definitely a wake up
Speaker 2: call of like if Steve Lebron is not making it
Speaker 2: on the minor league tour staying at home and dominating,
Speaker 2: I mean truly dominating. No one is making it on
Speaker 2: the tour. So yeah, I mean the cost is ridiculous.
Speaker 2: I mean Q School's five thousand dollars, so I mean
Speaker 2: you're looking at fifty thousand dollars, like you said, one
Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars to give yourself a chance. It is
Speaker 2: probably fair. China's actually one of the cheaper ones, is
Speaker 2: about thousand dollars a week, and the and the money's good.
Speaker 2: Canada's super expensive and any many I mean Chasing mondays
Speaker 2: Ben Griffin has status. So his Monday Q entry fee
Speaker 2: is only one hundred bucks I believe, and he's like,
Speaker 2: I spend on thy to twelve hundred every week just
Speaker 2: to get to a Monday qualifier.
Speaker 1: It seems like China and in Asia is a road
Speaker 1: less traveled, but one that more guys should explore.
Speaker 2: Definitely, you know, like.
Speaker 1: Barry Henson Yep is a you know, a guy we
Speaker 1: interviewed on a shotgun start and he he does well
Speaker 1: over there, like I mean, he lives in Thailand. I mean,
Speaker 1: but that's the hard thing. You're you're uprooting your whole life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Asia, China. I mean John Caitlin is
Speaker 2: a is a good, good story. I mean he went
Speaker 2: over there. He did nothing here. Uh, went over there
Speaker 2: and played on the developmental Asian Tour, which is underneath
Speaker 2: the Asian Tour, won twice, got his Asian Tour card
Speaker 2: one three times last year and now has you know,
Speaker 2: European status, so uh, I mean, it's definitely a way
Speaker 2: to go, especially China. China has like really good from
Speaker 2: the standpoint of like the tour does a good job
Speaker 2: of keeping costs down. So you know, Joe Gunnerman, who
Speaker 2: I like kind of followed through his season, is it's
Speaker 2: like it's about a thousand bucks a week and the
Speaker 2: money's better than the prize money is better than Latin
Speaker 2: American China's. But more and more guys are going over
Speaker 2: there because the secret's kind of out that it's you know,
Speaker 2: the best, better way to go.
Speaker 3: And uh, what what do you think about?
Speaker 1: Like, so obviously a big change with the PGA Tour
Speaker 1: was going to where a Q school doesn't get you
Speaker 1: on the tour, but you're a European tour still gets
Speaker 1: you up to tour, so you know, Q school used
Speaker 1: to be you get up, you qualify, you get up
Speaker 1: to the tour, and now you go to the WEB.
Speaker 1: So European Tour Q school is still structured so that
Speaker 1: you go straight to the European Tour. You know, is
Speaker 1: that a trend because of brooks Kepta's success and Peter
Speaker 1: u Line and you know Sam Horsfeld.
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, I'm surprised that more guys don't go over
Speaker 2: there because of that, you know, I really am. I mean,
Speaker 2: especially after their success, you know, they cans an other one. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, like those guys have had success, and I'm
Speaker 2: surprised that we don't. You definitely see more, you know,
Speaker 2: a lot of guys went over and didn't get through
Speaker 2: this year. Definitely, first stage second stages filled with more
Speaker 2: Canadians and Americans than I've than I've seen before. Like
Speaker 2: Wittenberg went over there. A bunch of guys went over
Speaker 2: there this year. They just didn't get through. So maybe
Speaker 2: it's just the fact that they're not playing well. I'm
Speaker 2: surprised that they second stages match up. So a lot
Speaker 2: of guys have to make a choice, like Jack McGuire
Speaker 2: had to make a choice this year. A couple other
Speaker 2: guys that I can't remember, like got through first stage
Speaker 2: at both spots, but second stages match up, which I'm
Speaker 2: surprised they don't separate them, so like you can play both.
Speaker 1: All right. That'll do it for Part one with Ryan
Speaker 1: French from Monday q Info. Tune in for Part two
Speaker 1: later this week and we will dive more into the
Speaker 1: US Open and Sectionals and the a little bit more
Speaker 1: about the obscure players that you'll see next week and
Speaker 1: their stories. You've been listening to the Egg podcast, we
Speaker 1: do the digging for you