WEBVTT - Monday Q Info - Part 1

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<v Speaker 1>I'm excited We've got the first part of a two

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<v Speaker 1>part podcast with Ryan French. If you guys are unfamiliar

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<v Speaker 1>with Ryan, he is the man behind the popular Monday

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<v Speaker 1>q info Twitter account that covers all of the Monday qualifiers,

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<v Speaker 1>all the mini tours, and just kind of he has

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<v Speaker 1>his pulse on all the obscure stories and golf, all

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<v Speaker 1>the guys that inches away and bounce here or bounce

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<v Speaker 1>there away from being on the PGA Tour. So Ryan

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<v Speaker 1>was more than generous with his time. He came by

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<v Speaker 1>and we recorded about an hour and a half of

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<v Speaker 1>audio here. So we're gonna split this up into two parts.

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<v Speaker 1>Part one is going to be about Ryan and how

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<v Speaker 1>he started Monday q Info. I'm for those that don't

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<v Speaker 1>follow on Twitter yet, I highly recommend there might not

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<v Speaker 1>be a better run Twitter account on the Internet. It's

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<v Speaker 1>at a case of the golf one that's at a

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<v Speaker 1>case of the golf one on Twitter. Monday q info.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's part one about how he started Monday q

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<v Speaker 1>info and his life and a little bit about some

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<v Speaker 1>of the stories surrounding Monday q info to date, and

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<v Speaker 1>then part two we kind of zero in on US

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<v Speaker 1>Open sectional qualifiers and a little bit about some of

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<v Speaker 1>the guys that you may never have heard of that

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<v Speaker 1>got through. I think it's the soul of the US Open.

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<v Speaker 1>So Part two will be up later this week. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>Part one. Enjoy I miss a green. For example, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>already upset when I find my ball in the bunker,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really upset.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I find my ball in a fried egg

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<v Speaker 2>Frida egg, the dreaded Frida egg Frida egg Frida egg,

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<v Speaker 2>Brian egg Frida egg bride egg Lie, I'm about ready to.

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<v Speaker 1>Run off the you're caddy in the Monday Monday Q

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<v Speaker 1>at Stonewall.

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<v Speaker 2>Or a chart here in Chicago exactly. And uh, We're

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<v Speaker 2>sitting on the tea with like three groups and I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't want to interrupt the players or anything or tell

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<v Speaker 2>them who I was. So I was just like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>Ryan and CD goes, so tell him what you really

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<v Speaker 2>do and I was like, I'm the guy who runs

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<v Speaker 2>the Monday q info Twitter and every player was like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, and I was like, I just it

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<v Speaker 2>was very like surreal because I just don't have a

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<v Speaker 2>way of knowing like the people at Reaches, So it

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<v Speaker 2>was like it was crazy. It was pretty crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>It's wild when like people know who you are, yes, exactly, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Like you know, you had no intention of this becoming this.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Like I'm just a dude that happened to stay

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<v Speaker 2>at home and with his son and now I like

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<v Speaker 2>a very surreal moment was Sean mcchel got through a

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<v Speaker 2>Monday qualifier and I'm interviewing him in between giving my

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<v Speaker 2>kids a bath, And I was like, when I started

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<v Speaker 2>this account, did I ever think that I would be

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<v Speaker 2>talking to a major champion in between giving my kids

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<v Speaker 2>a bath? And it was like it was like, there's

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<v Speaker 2>some surreal moments that's that stands out for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>How did it all gets start?

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<v Speaker 2>Like why? Where?

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<v Speaker 3>What was going on in life?

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<v Speaker 2>Why?

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<v Speaker 1>Why Monday qualifiers? Like in in many tours.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So I've been in the restaurant business my whole

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<v Speaker 2>my whole life. And our son has some health issues,

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<v Speaker 2>had a brain surgery, has had two brain surgeries, and

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<v Speaker 2>so it was it was we lost our long term nanny,

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<v Speaker 2>and so our new nanny wasn't very good to be

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<v Speaker 2>quite frank, and I decided to stay home. And uh

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<v Speaker 2>so from there it was really something to do. So

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't have to watch cartoons all day. And so

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<v Speaker 2>I've caddied after college. I caddied on many tours with

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<v Speaker 2>my dad. My dad and I used to take a

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<v Speaker 2>yearly trip or two trips a year and go caddy

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<v Speaker 2>on a mini tour. So like Canadian Tour, eGolf, Golden

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<v Speaker 2>Bear Hopped. I mean, there's a bunch. What a tradition

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<v Speaker 2>with you? It was crazy, Yeah, there was. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>there's some stories from that, like our tent blew away

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<v Speaker 2>at a Hooters event. Oh, I mean we had some

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<v Speaker 2>crazy stories.

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<v Speaker 3>How did this tradition start?

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<v Speaker 2>So I found a Canadian tour, I was like, hey, Dad,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe we can caddy on a pro tour. I had no, like,

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<v Speaker 2>no real understanding of how it worked, and so I

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<v Speaker 2>can This is pre McKenzie tour. Uh, this is like

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<v Speaker 2>just a Canadian tour. And so I live I lived

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<v Speaker 2>in the Detroit area, and so I sent a message

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<v Speaker 2>to the caddy master at a at a Canadian tour

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<v Speaker 2>event and they were like instantaneously me bag, He's like, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>we love it, getting to know, like going there and

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<v Speaker 2>finding out just like fifteen year old kids and no

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<v Speaker 2>one who had any golf knowledge. People were just ecstatic

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<v Speaker 2>to have anyone who knew like where to stand once

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<v Speaker 2>the you know, once you pull the flag. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>how it started, and we just made it a tradition.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think I've caddied on twelve mini tours. I think,

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<v Speaker 2>I think I know I've caddied on three that stopped

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<v Speaker 2>playing players. I know that.

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<v Speaker 1>What what was the Uh, who's the most famous guy

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<v Speaker 1>that UK for before they were famous?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean Ryan Yip would be probably. I caddied for

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<v Speaker 2>Adam Bland, who's a pretty obscure name, but you know

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<v Speaker 2>plays in Asia and I mean a lot of guys.

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<v Speaker 2>So I I caddied for Ryan for a for most

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<v Speaker 2>of those years. Once we got connected. Let's see down

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<v Speaker 2>in I don't I mean, not anyone really that's made

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<v Speaker 2>maybe it's Mike Caddy. Oh shit, that now that I

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<v Speaker 2>look back on that, maybe it's Yeah, maybe it's me.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean a bunch of but you see a ton

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<v Speaker 2>of guys, I mean like Joel Damon and all those

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<v Speaker 2>guys were out there. I mean everybody was. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of really good players came from Canadian Hooters.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean Hooters. I remember kidding in a Monday qualifier

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<v Speaker 2>of a Hooters event and the Monday qualifier was like full.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it was one hundred players. The Hooters Tour

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<v Speaker 2>used to be like the thing, the thing, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>Chad Campbell gave up a web membership to come back

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<v Speaker 2>and play for one hundred thousand dollars bonus on the

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<v Speaker 2>Hooters Tour. I mean it was unreal. If you look

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<v Speaker 2>at those money lists, they're crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>So is the trip still going on or is it over?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 2>So my dad's older, he can't.

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<v Speaker 3>He doesn't go with the thing. He doesn't do the seventy.

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<v Speaker 2>Two, he doesn't do the seventy two anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>But it got to get on the minor league, just

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<v Speaker 1>the one day, yeah, with the cart and just hand

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<v Speaker 1>it out right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So let's see who did he can't. Oh, he

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<v Speaker 2>can'ty for J. C. Deacon who just uh just mondayed

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<v Speaker 2>into the RBC.

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<v Speaker 3>SO University of Florida coach.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, pretty crazy crazy Monday. I mean he still plays

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<v Speaker 2>a lot. He plays on like the Mini tours down

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<v Speaker 2>in Florida on the off season. But I mean he

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<v Speaker 2>had a good career, a decent career.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like being a college coach is a great way.

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<v Speaker 1>Like Mike Small obviously infamous. Like I think his you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Small's made cut percentage from like a span in

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<v Speaker 1>the mid two thousands was like second only to Tiger

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<v Speaker 1>on tour.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it has to be. The guy could

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<v Speaker 2>obviously dominate if he'd just stopped coaching, Like he could

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<v Speaker 2>go to the senior too and do pretty much whatever

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<v Speaker 2>he wants.

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<v Speaker 3>Guy rolls out of bed and she's sixty he does.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, I mean he had to be so mad

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<v Speaker 2>that the PGA was moved. I mean yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>he would have obviously been there and probably made the cut.

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<v Speaker 3>So you start this Monday Q, when did you start

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<v Speaker 3>it a year ago?

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<v Speaker 2>One year ago? Because I started it after I Caddy

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<v Speaker 2>did a Monday qualifier. The guy Caddy four a lot

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<v Speaker 2>when he comes up and I've hosted a few times.

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<v Speaker 2>CD Hockersmith was like, dude, you just got us start

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<v Speaker 2>an account, like you know, there's golf nerds out there.

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<v Speaker 2>But so one year ago I caddied form and this

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<v Speaker 2>year last week was the Monday qualifier for the Evans

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<v Speaker 2>or two weeks ago, I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the rest yeah, like about a year ago today, Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because that was always the that was the week after

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<v Speaker 1>the sectional qualify.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, exactly, because the Monday was always super light, like

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<v Speaker 2>there was no one here.

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<v Speaker 1>That was always I always said that was the best Monday, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>to play in. So this this web event now yes

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<v Speaker 1>week was the best Monday to play.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>The BMW one they don't have a Monday. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's why they moved it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, that's probably why they moved it, because yeah, well

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<v Speaker 2>up here, I mean I remember there was seventy first six.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, I was I like looked at the scores.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I should have played, and trust me,

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<v Speaker 1>we played with a guy last year that shot eighty six.

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<v Speaker 1>We were on the range and the guy was like

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<v Speaker 1>hitting scribblers off the end of the range and we're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we feel sorry for the whoever's playing with that guy.

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<v Speaker 2>We walked up ten and there he was with us.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's uh so a year ago, right so, and

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<v Speaker 1>like has become an Internet sensation, Like.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's I really have no I keep saying it,

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<v Speaker 2>like I have no understanding of what it's become. I

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<v Speaker 2>know it's growing fast. I know I have a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of players that reach out to me and people have

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<v Speaker 2>been super awesome, but uh yeah, it was never intended

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<v Speaker 2>to get this. That was not I thought if I

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<v Speaker 2>had three hundred followers, it would be crazy if I

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<v Speaker 2>had five hundred. I never even I honestly didn't think

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<v Speaker 2>this far ahead. I've never like I never got to

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<v Speaker 2>this point. If I were, and I thought about what

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<v Speaker 2>the account would become.

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<v Speaker 1>It's amazing because he like he you know, going from zero,

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<v Speaker 1>Like yes, when you get to like five hundred, you're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>imagine what would happen when I have a thousand? Right,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you get there and then you're all of

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<v Speaker 1>a suddenly and then like you get your next thousand

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<v Speaker 1>like at a day.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, I mean it's like I grow now like

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<v Speaker 2>the hundred, and I was like I remember being excited

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<v Speaker 2>about a ten in a four or five days span.

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<v Speaker 2>You're like, oh, yeah, I'm up to five hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five followers, and.

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<v Speaker 3>Then you get to ten thousand.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like it's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>It's I think like you've tapped into something. And I

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<v Speaker 1>I am obviously a big believer in this because I

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<v Speaker 1>think the fridayk serves golf nerds.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, different as.

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<v Speaker 3>Different realm than what you do.

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<v Speaker 1>And I really admire and appreciate like you did something

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<v Speaker 1>different than everybody else is doing and it's something that

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<v Speaker 1>golf nerds and I think that you tapped into something

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<v Speaker 1>like the Internet is built for people to learn, and

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<v Speaker 1>like in that's it embraced their inner nerd in a way.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah. I mean my brother used to say, like,

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<v Speaker 2>if you had this much golf knowledge about space travel,

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<v Speaker 2>you would be on the moon. And I'm like, he's like,

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<v Speaker 2>but what good does it do you? And so I

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<v Speaker 2>always send my updates to my brother like Hey, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>at this many followers or whatever, because I mean I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a true golf nerd and now I guess I have

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<v Speaker 2>an outlet for it and people are appreciating it.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you were working in the restaurant industry. Were

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<v Speaker 1>you following all this stuff? Yeah, religious, Yeah, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>as quite as religiously obviously.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, obviously it's gotten more religiously now, but I

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<v Speaker 2>mean through caddying, I just met a bunch of guys,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'd always check up on them, like where they

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<v Speaker 2>were playing, what they were doing. Mondays was obviously the

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<v Speaker 2>most often I'd look at those, But yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>they I've pettied for guys that are spread out from

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<v Speaker 2>web to still on the Minor League Tour or Dakota's

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<v Speaker 2>Tour or whatever, Asia Asia Golden State Tour. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean they're everywhere. I saw a guy I caddied for

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<v Speaker 2>a long time ago, that Mitch Tasker who played in

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<v Speaker 2>a pro am on the austral Asian Tour. That is

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<v Speaker 2>just like out of the blue. I didn't even know

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<v Speaker 2>he was playing. Like, I was looking at those things

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<v Speaker 2>every once in a while, a lot, probably by most

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<v Speaker 2>people's standards, but not as much as I am now.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously I don't have the time to do it now.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I think it's just a you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>you and I were talking, I think it's almost a

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<v Speaker 2>curse to be very good at a sport, but not

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<v Speaker 2>Tiger Woods or you know, Phil Mickelson, are those kind

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<v Speaker 2>of things. I mean, the grind to get to the

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<v Speaker 2>PGA Tour is something a lot of people just don't

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<v Speaker 2>know about.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's it's definitely the most undercovered aspect of the game. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>unlike I think in a lot of ways, minor league

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<v Speaker 1>baseball is a grind that nobody covers really and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't hear about. And it's similar in a way.

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<v Speaker 1>I think pitchers and golfers are really similar because, like

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<v Speaker 1>the skill sets, they're both non reactionary activities. But at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time, like if you're a minor league baseball player,

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<v Speaker 1>they're traveling you around your lodgings, picked up your food,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have to do anything like these guys out grinding.

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<v Speaker 3>They eat what they kill.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. I mean I always tell the story we

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<v Speaker 2>house CD and Michael Rush and my wife might get

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<v Speaker 2>mad at me for telling this story, but it's quite funny.

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<v Speaker 2>So my wife makes them dinner and the chicken had

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<v Speaker 2>so much salt in it I was inedible, and both

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<v Speaker 2>these guys are sitting there and eating this, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, hey, guys, you don't have to eat it.

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<v Speaker 2>We're just gonna get pizza. And they're like, oh no,

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<v Speaker 2>anything free. I mean, I it. A perfect example is

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<v Speaker 2>CD staying at my house last week. I mean he

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<v Speaker 2>literally stayed in my little pony themed bedroom and that's

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<v Speaker 2>to save one hundred dollars because you know, the trip's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna cost him a thousand. If it can cost him

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<v Speaker 2>eight hundred, then he's gonna do it. I mean, and

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<v Speaker 2>he literally drove my twenty eleven Hundai at Luntra around

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<v Speaker 2>that has the check engine light because it's free and

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't have to run a car. And so I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's the side that people just don't see. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>Joel Damon is a perfect example. The guy was had

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<v Speaker 2>some bad results for a long time on some pretty

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<v Speaker 2>obscure tours and I mean, and now he's a millionaire,

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<v Speaker 2>but the grind to get there people just don't see. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's and I find the guys.

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<v Speaker 1>The like the way golf is covered is that the

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<v Speaker 1>top ten players, top fifteen to twenty players get all

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<v Speaker 1>the coverage and the rest of the stories kind of

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<v Speaker 1>are heaped aside unless they win, like Adam Long, perfect example,

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<v Speaker 1>like nobody knew anything about Adam Long until he won.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for the most part, right, I mean, I think

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I've talked to players before, and what I

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<v Speaker 2>say is that the group of grinders is endless, right Like,

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<v Speaker 2>if ten of them got injured today, there's ten more

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<v Speaker 2>that could replace them that the tour is not going

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<v Speaker 2>to care about and doesn't have time to market. There's

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<v Speaker 2>an endless supply of grinders. There's tours all over the

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<v Speaker 2>world that have awesome players that could easily fill that void.

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<v Speaker 2>So they don't care, they don't market them. And these

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<v Speaker 2>guys are, like Ed Lord said, you know, we're the

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<v Speaker 2>one percent of the one percent, and but they can

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<v Speaker 2>fill that vacuum in a in a heartbeat. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>They're just not part of the tour. They don't make

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<v Speaker 2>the tour any money. They don't make equipment companies any money.

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<v Speaker 2>They're they're filling a void. But they're amazing golfers.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And it's it's a different situation than a role

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<v Speaker 1>player on like a team exactly because a role player

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<v Speaker 1>on their team, like there's only one singular focus of

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<v Speaker 1>a television coverage right on whether it's baseball, basketball, football,

0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:11.080
<v Speaker 1>and any fan of that team is going to know

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<v Speaker 1>the you know, offensive guard for their football team because

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<v Speaker 1>they see him play all the time. But these are

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<v Speaker 1>the guys that never no golf fans ever see play

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<v Speaker 1>unless they're in contention exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I was. I just sent a message

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<v Speaker 2>to Justin Huber who's injured, and it's actually the opposite.

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<v Speaker 2>Whereas in a team sport, people want you to come back,

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<v Speaker 2>whether you're the twelfth man, you fill some sort of

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<v Speaker 2>role on a team, whereas Justin Huber or anybody else

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<v Speaker 2>getting injured actually creates an opportunity for someone that wants

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<v Speaker 2>your job. And so it's it's so different than any

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<v Speaker 2>other sport because you are once you're gone, like Justin Huber,

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<v Speaker 2>outside of his friends, I'm sure not people are like

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<v Speaker 2>texting him. He's not part of the CAMARADERI. No teammates

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<v Speaker 2>are waiting for him to come back. His role has

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<v Speaker 2>been filled in a heartbeat in a second.

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<v Speaker 1>And do they have like a I know with like

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<v Speaker 1>the PGA tour they have medical leave, Like does the

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<v Speaker 1>web not have anything?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if they do. I asked Justin that

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<v Speaker 2>I've sent him a bunch of questions and he's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>get back to me. So it was one of my

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<v Speaker 2>questions because I know the PGA Tour does, but I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know about the web.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it's It's something I don't know either. So that

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<v Speaker 1>was something that just popped into my mind. So you

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<v Speaker 1>start this thing and it blows up, like what what

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<v Speaker 1>is it?

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<v Speaker 2>Tracking?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you cover everything like I didn't even know

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like the biggest golf nerd. I didn't even know

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<v Speaker 1>the Outlaw Tour existed. Yeah, and yeah, so so you're

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<v Speaker 1>tracking every like when I say every tour for those

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<v Speaker 1>that don't don't follow Ryan, like he tracks every tour,

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<v Speaker 1>like tours you've never even heard of.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I I've even found. I mean, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a golf nerd for sure. There's tours that I'm starting

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<v Speaker 2>to hear about that I didn't know existed. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I try to cover as many tours that

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<v Speaker 2>I know of that I can't. Yeah, the Outlaw Tour

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<v Speaker 2>kind of replace the Gateway Tour. I mean, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of tours out out in Scottsdale now, but Outlaw

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<v Speaker 2>Tour is one of them, and the scores out there

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<v Speaker 2>are ridiculous. So it makes for good content. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>like Charlie Belgian, you guys know pretty well. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>shot like sixty two, sixty three, sixty four, that's not exact,

0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:38.520
<v Speaker 2>but it's something like that. The winner shot twenty seven

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<v Speaker 2>under in three rounds.

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<v Speaker 1>It's one of my favorite things is Charlie Belgian, former

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<v Speaker 1>former PGA Tour winner.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and he's now playing this outlaw tour and and

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<v Speaker 1>he got into he got into what was the opposite.

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<v Speaker 2>Field, Puerto Rico. Yeah, Puerto Rico.

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<v Speaker 1>In his Twitter profile says former PGA Tour player is

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<v Speaker 1>armor pro golfer and he's like into crypto now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but yeah, and he made a run last yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>this weekend sectionals and he I think he's I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if he got an alternate spot. He tied for

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<v Speaker 2>alternate spot, but I don't know where he fell with

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<v Speaker 2>the playoff. But yeah, he's into bitcoins now.

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<v Speaker 1>But so is the US Open and sectional qualifying like

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<v Speaker 1>the super Bowl of your ear?

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<v Speaker 3>I always say the Masters this super Bowl, right right?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, I don't know know, I think like probably the

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<v Speaker 2>Honda is probably the super Bowl. I mean, he's fallen

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit different on the schedule but the Honda

0:20:36.200 --> 0:20:40.200
<v Speaker 2>field was pretty The Honda field for the Monday it

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<v Speaker 2>is pretty ridiculous. I mean this is like the I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>the US Open is very exciting, but I if I

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<v Speaker 2>had to pick a like a super Bowl of Mondays,

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<v Speaker 2>it would probably be the Honda. The Hondas is pretty outstanding.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's too bad that they don't get that

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<v Speaker 1>qual Monday Q at the Fountains course.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, right, exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Boy Stevie Lebron, they would even show up.

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<v Speaker 2>No, they would just I mean they would play for

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<v Speaker 2>five for three spots, you know. I mean they would

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<v Speaker 2>just be like, Okay, Steve's in and then there's.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe Sonny Kim. They might give Sonny Kim a spot. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean the Minor League tour guys might just wipe

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<v Speaker 1>it clean. You know, what's your what's your favorite, uh

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<v Speaker 1>favorite of the mini tours to cover?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the the mini tours are so fractured now.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean the mini tours used to be really good,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the Hooters days, the eGolf days. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm following. I'm talking with Matt Ryan, who's

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<v Speaker 2>on the l A Tour.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the he had a what was it he

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<v Speaker 1>had that fling of notoriety a couple of years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>I forgot what he did. He did, Yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Swear, I remember Matt Ryan was like in the news

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<v Speaker 1>for something.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>My brain works, I remember, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to I have to find out. I have

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<v Speaker 2>to ask.

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<v Speaker 1>Like ten years ago, something happened with Matt Ryan. It's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna kill me. We're gonna find it. We'll find out

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<v Speaker 1>before and then we'll publish this and then.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we'll both get messages exactly. So. I mean, he

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<v Speaker 2>played on the E Golf Tour and he sent me

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<v Speaker 2>the money list. I mean the money list was four

0:22:16.840 --> 0:22:21.239
<v Speaker 2>hundred players. And so those those days are over, you know,

0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:28.600
<v Speaker 2>because of the Canadian, Latin American China. That's changed many tours,

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<v Speaker 2>many tours are I mean, we might see the end

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<v Speaker 2>of well, I think we'll definitely see the end of

0:22:35.000 --> 0:22:38.159
<v Speaker 2>fifty four seventy two whole Mani Tour events. I just

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<v Speaker 2>don't think you'll see a lot of West Florida. You know,

0:22:40.680 --> 0:22:43.680
<v Speaker 2>many minor league tour those kind of things, but it's

0:22:43.760 --> 0:22:46.960
<v Speaker 2>so regionalized now we'll never see a Hooters. As long

0:22:47.000 --> 0:22:48.840
<v Speaker 2>as the Latin American Canadian.

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<v Speaker 1>It's because of the guaranteed spot.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean they're all playing for five spots and

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<v Speaker 2>to skip stages at Q school.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's crazy to me that like the top ten

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't get spots.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so they're changing it next year. They're gonna get

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<v Speaker 2>better status. So the top five gets status now automatically,

0:23:07.080 --> 0:23:09.880
<v Speaker 2>and then top ten get to final stage and top

0:23:09.920 --> 0:23:13.359
<v Speaker 2>twenty get to second stage. I think. So the top

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<v Speaker 2>five has had crappy besides number one, who gets full status,

0:23:17.680 --> 0:23:19.919
<v Speaker 2>two through five have kind of had crappy status. So

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<v Speaker 2>that changes a little bit next year. But back to

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<v Speaker 2>your original question, my favorite mini tour, I mean the

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<v Speaker 2>Minor League Tour is pretty tough to I mean there's

0:23:29.920 --> 0:23:33.040
<v Speaker 2>a lot of name The West Florida Tour is really good.

0:23:33.040 --> 0:23:36.240
<v Speaker 2>It has a lot of like Danny, you know, Daniel

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<v Speaker 2>Chopra is down there. They have a lot of names.

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<v Speaker 2>But many tours are not what they used to be

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<v Speaker 2>for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the Minor League Tour is crazy because like you'll

0:23:47.200 --> 0:23:51.200
<v Speaker 1>see in the offseason guys PGA Tour players playing these

0:23:51.200 --> 0:23:55.320
<v Speaker 1>one day events. Yes, and like you'll see guys like

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<v Speaker 1>like we were talking about before we started recording, John Kuran.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, Yeah, I mean he won a mini tour event.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean he won a minor league tour event. You'll

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<v Speaker 2>see like Ben Taylor who won on the on the

0:24:06.280 --> 0:24:08.960
<v Speaker 2>Web last year and was bored in the offseason, went

0:24:09.000 --> 0:24:12.359
<v Speaker 2>and played in won an event. You know, like Kevin

0:24:12.400 --> 0:24:16.080
<v Speaker 2>Twy plays in the two Man like Tory Connors. Yeah, Cory,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that feels like got like ten top one

0:24:21.119 --> 0:24:23.720
<v Speaker 2>hundred FedEx Club points in it. Yeah.

0:24:23.800 --> 0:24:26.720
<v Speaker 1>The John Kran think's crazy because two years ago I

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<v Speaker 1>think he was in a memorial playoffs.

0:24:28.720 --> 0:24:33.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean he's like That's what kind of started me.

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<v Speaker 2>As Like I would go to these mini tours and

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be like, oh my god, he's still playing, or

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<v Speaker 2>like wow, I didn't know you're still playing, or why

0:24:40.680 --> 0:24:44.160
<v Speaker 2>I forgot about him or whatever. On top of you know,

0:24:44.320 --> 0:24:48.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I Brian Davis is a perfect example. Brian

0:24:48.960 --> 0:24:52.000
<v Speaker 2>Davis plays on the Moonlight Tour. The Moonlight Tour literally

0:24:52.000 --> 0:24:55.120
<v Speaker 2>has is one hundred bucks cash to tee it up,

0:24:56.200 --> 0:25:00.520
<v Speaker 2>and there's twelve guys, sometimes seven guys, and there's like

0:25:01.119 --> 0:25:05.439
<v Speaker 2>Freddie Yakobsen plays, Chris Couch plays, Brian Davis plays. I mean,

0:25:05.480 --> 0:25:08.680
<v Speaker 2>Brian Davis has over twenty million dollars in career earnings

0:25:09.000 --> 0:25:10.520
<v Speaker 2>and he's playing on the Moonlight Tour.

0:25:11.400 --> 0:25:13.919
<v Speaker 1>So I think he just hit on something with you know,

0:25:14.040 --> 0:25:17.399
<v Speaker 1>guys like Brian Davis, Like with the way the tour

0:25:17.560 --> 0:25:21.639
<v Speaker 1>is now. I think like the youth invasions partly because

0:25:21.680 --> 0:25:24.600
<v Speaker 1>of technology, like where it's a different game than it

0:25:24.680 --> 0:25:26.520
<v Speaker 1>used to be for these guys. And I think we're

0:25:26.560 --> 0:25:29.879
<v Speaker 1>gonna see more and more of this where more and

0:25:29.920 --> 0:25:32.560
<v Speaker 1>more guys are going to be sitting around from forty two.

0:25:32.520 --> 0:25:34.560
<v Speaker 3>To fifty waiting for the Champions.

0:25:34.080 --> 0:25:39.320
<v Speaker 1>Tour, and that's where maybe the mini tours have something.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean I I definitely you know, to

0:25:42.359 --> 0:25:44.880
<v Speaker 2>that point you bring up is yeah, I definitely see

0:25:44.920 --> 0:25:48.720
<v Speaker 2>more veterans out there. They don't have a place to play.

0:25:49.040 --> 0:25:53.159
<v Speaker 2>They don't really want to play web events because it

0:25:53.280 --> 0:25:55.960
<v Speaker 2>just really financially doesn't make sense. They have a plenty

0:25:55.960 --> 0:25:57.600
<v Speaker 2>of money, they want a place to play. So Brian

0:25:57.680 --> 0:26:02.160
<v Speaker 2>Davis plays in he plays in Monday qualifiers. He's done

0:26:02.160 --> 0:26:05.800
<v Speaker 2>pretty well this year and he's at home and he

0:26:05.800 --> 0:26:08.680
<v Speaker 2>wants a place to play. It's not about money, obviously,

0:26:08.760 --> 0:26:10.960
<v Speaker 2>because if you win, you win three hundred bucks or

0:26:10.960 --> 0:26:14.240
<v Speaker 2>four hundred bucks. So it's not about money. He just

0:26:14.280 --> 0:26:18.200
<v Speaker 2>doesn't want He's not gonna chase a web card. He's

0:26:18.320 --> 0:26:21.560
<v Speaker 2>gonna wait for the He's gonna try his best on

0:26:21.600 --> 0:26:24.439
<v Speaker 2>the limited starts he gets, try to Monday qualify and

0:26:24.560 --> 0:26:26.840
<v Speaker 2>get a top ten and get back in the in

0:26:26.880 --> 0:26:29.359
<v Speaker 2>the Shuffle, and then when he's not he's gonna be

0:26:29.359 --> 0:26:33.280
<v Speaker 2>at home playing the Moonlight Tour. And I mean again,

0:26:33.359 --> 0:26:35.199
<v Speaker 2>I think I did a stead a long time ago,

0:26:35.280 --> 0:26:36.880
<v Speaker 2>but it was like a nine player field and there

0:26:36.960 --> 0:26:39.840
<v Speaker 2>was at the Moonlight Tour, and there's like fifty two

0:26:39.880 --> 0:26:42.440
<v Speaker 2>million dollars in PJ earnings in the field. Like Chris

0:26:42.520 --> 0:26:45.320
<v Speaker 2>Kouch has a win, Brian Davis has a European Tour win,

0:26:45.359 --> 0:26:49.320
<v Speaker 2>Freddy Yakkinson has like two wins. It was like fifty

0:26:49.359 --> 0:26:51.359
<v Speaker 2>two million in a nine man field or something.

0:26:51.560 --> 0:26:52.280
<v Speaker 3>It's nuts.

0:26:52.320 --> 0:26:53.320
<v Speaker 2>It is nuts.

0:26:54.000 --> 0:26:54.680
<v Speaker 3>I'll never forget.

0:26:54.800 --> 0:26:58.320
<v Speaker 1>I've played the Minor League Tour and I got paired

0:26:58.400 --> 0:27:03.239
<v Speaker 1>up with Derek Fan. Oh yeah, so he finished like

0:27:03.280 --> 0:27:07.239
<v Speaker 1>two years before the year before he finished third in

0:27:07.359 --> 0:27:11.359
<v Speaker 1>Q School and and earned his PGA Tour card and

0:27:11.400 --> 0:27:14.680
<v Speaker 1>then he I mean he he got he was young,

0:27:14.760 --> 0:27:16.760
<v Speaker 1>and he he made like three cuts.

0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:20.240
<v Speaker 3>I guess he was like living the life and yeah,

0:27:20.440 --> 0:27:21.439
<v Speaker 3>and he.

0:27:21.359 --> 0:27:23.840
<v Speaker 1>Was back playing on the Minor League Golf Tour, you know,

0:27:23.960 --> 0:27:26.880
<v Speaker 1>one year later like this All American, like I think

0:27:26.880 --> 0:27:30.199
<v Speaker 1>three time All American in Louisville, you know, from PGA

0:27:30.240 --> 0:27:31.920
<v Speaker 1>Tour back to the minor league Tour and one year.

0:27:31.960 --> 0:27:34.520
<v Speaker 1>And that's one of the crazy things I think about,

0:27:34.640 --> 0:27:37.000
<v Speaker 1>is like, you know, a guy can have a bad

0:27:37.119 --> 0:27:39.800
<v Speaker 1>year on the PGA Tour and have no status.

0:27:39.880 --> 0:27:43.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Paul Haley. I use him as an example a lot.

0:27:43.240 --> 0:27:45.359
<v Speaker 2>He's back on the He's back on the Web dot

0:27:45.440 --> 0:27:49.679
<v Speaker 2>Com Tour. He won, like I don't know the exact stats,

0:27:49.680 --> 0:27:51.760
<v Speaker 2>but I think he won twice his first year and

0:27:51.800 --> 0:27:55.359
<v Speaker 2>had like two top you know, or three more top fives.

0:27:55.359 --> 0:27:57.800
<v Speaker 2>He had like an unreal year, went to the PGA

0:27:57.880 --> 0:28:01.280
<v Speaker 2>Tour and did nothing and finish like below two hundredth

0:28:01.320 --> 0:28:03.040
<v Speaker 2>then FedEx and he had to go all the way

0:28:03.040 --> 0:28:06.320
<v Speaker 2>back to first stage and didn't get through first stage

0:28:06.359 --> 0:28:10.400
<v Speaker 2>and literally went from one of the best Web years

0:28:10.400 --> 0:28:14.040
<v Speaker 2>in the last ten years to no status at all,

0:28:14.800 --> 0:28:18.280
<v Speaker 2>virtually had a little Web status. But like so I

0:28:18.320 --> 0:28:20.480
<v Speaker 2>mean that is again the side of and like kind

0:28:20.520 --> 0:28:24.359
<v Speaker 2>of what the account is about is like people don't realize.

0:28:24.400 --> 0:28:26.639
<v Speaker 2>I didn't realize until I like really started digging into

0:28:26.680 --> 0:28:29.960
<v Speaker 2>this stuff how quickly your status can go away. I

0:28:30.040 --> 0:28:32.920
<v Speaker 2>mean you can literally be courtesy cars to minor league

0:28:32.960 --> 0:28:34.480
<v Speaker 2>tour in a year and a half.

0:28:35.200 --> 0:28:38.880
<v Speaker 1>It's not it's the in like you said, this society

0:28:38.920 --> 0:28:43.040
<v Speaker 1>golf that nobody's nobody's covering and nobody's talking about and

0:28:43.040 --> 0:28:45.960
<v Speaker 1>and that's like it's kind of everybody points to like

0:28:46.080 --> 0:28:49.440
<v Speaker 1>tie try On yep, but there there are hundreds of

0:28:49.480 --> 0:28:52.400
<v Speaker 1>Tai Tryons out there, just they just didn't qualify for

0:28:52.440 --> 0:28:54.120
<v Speaker 1>the tour at seventeen.

0:28:53.760 --> 0:28:56.680
<v Speaker 2>Yep, exactly. I mean there's a there's a guy that

0:28:58.160 --> 0:29:02.840
<v Speaker 2>got through a sectionals, Andreas Helberson. He turned pro at

0:29:02.880 --> 0:29:05.400
<v Speaker 2>eighteen and hasn't done anything. I mean he's done pretty

0:29:05.400 --> 0:29:07.320
<v Speaker 2>well in the LA on the Latin American Tour, but

0:29:08.080 --> 0:29:13.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, but again, it's such a it becomes like

0:29:13.600 --> 0:29:16.080
<v Speaker 2>you go out there, you're an amazing He was an

0:29:16.080 --> 0:29:19.760
<v Speaker 2>amazing amateur, came to the United States like was in

0:29:19.800 --> 0:29:23.440
<v Speaker 2>a you know, one of these like camps, and he

0:29:23.480 --> 0:29:25.720
<v Speaker 2>turned pro at eighteen, and he you know, he can't

0:29:25.720 --> 0:29:28.960
<v Speaker 2>get through Q school. He's not even close and it's like,

0:29:29.120 --> 0:29:32.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's the Ti Trion. There's a thousand Tai

0:29:32.440 --> 0:29:36.920
<v Speaker 2>Trion's out there, and they're all very good, and there's

0:29:37.080 --> 0:29:41.400
<v Speaker 2>already players the ten years priors ty Trion's are already

0:29:41.400 --> 0:29:43.160
<v Speaker 2>out there, and that's where you have to beat to

0:29:43.160 --> 0:29:43.800
<v Speaker 2>get your card.

0:29:44.520 --> 0:29:48.520
<v Speaker 1>So on my other podcast, a Shatka Start, Brendan and

0:29:48.520 --> 0:29:52.360
<v Speaker 1>I have a you know, we tend to latch onto

0:29:52.520 --> 0:29:55.959
<v Speaker 1>some of these mini tour menaces the right legends that

0:29:56.360 --> 0:29:59.520
<v Speaker 1>just torment many tours, you know, whether it's Steve Lebron

0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:03.320
<v Speaker 1>Fountains on the Minor League Tour, the Wizard Ted Potter

0:30:03.520 --> 0:30:05.479
<v Speaker 1>back in the day on the Hooters Tour was just

0:30:05.520 --> 0:30:09.640
<v Speaker 1>a prolific winner. Yes, who are today some of the

0:30:10.320 --> 0:30:14.840
<v Speaker 1>most iconic mini tour players that you feel like they're

0:30:14.920 --> 0:30:19.680
<v Speaker 1>just they're one good breakaway from becoming, you know, a

0:30:19.840 --> 0:30:20.640
<v Speaker 1>household name.

0:30:20.840 --> 0:30:26.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean from a domination standpoint. Andre Metzker in

0:30:26.200 --> 0:30:30.400
<v Speaker 2>the the Dakota's Tour. Now, he's relatively older, he's like

0:30:30.480 --> 0:30:34.480
<v Speaker 2>thirty four to thirty five, but I mean he wins.

0:30:34.920 --> 0:30:37.960
<v Speaker 2>I think there's like twelve Dakota's Tours event and he'll

0:30:38.000 --> 0:30:41.480
<v Speaker 2>win three every year, and he'll have, Like, I mean,

0:30:41.520 --> 0:30:43.880
<v Speaker 2>he is one of the few guys that can easily

0:30:43.960 --> 0:30:47.800
<v Speaker 2>make a living playing many tours. Like he's been in

0:30:47.840 --> 0:30:51.280
<v Speaker 2>the top too or three of the of the Order

0:30:51.320 --> 0:30:54.560
<v Speaker 2>of Merit for like nine years straight. I mean he

0:30:54.880 --> 0:30:57.120
<v Speaker 2>just goes up there and collects checks. I mean I

0:30:57.160 --> 0:30:59.960
<v Speaker 2>think he has like twelve or thirteen wins in five years.

0:31:00.120 --> 0:31:02.000
<v Speaker 3>Did you ever caddy on the Dakota's Tour?

0:31:02.280 --> 0:31:02.400
<v Speaker 1>Uh?

0:31:02.520 --> 0:31:03.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah once?

0:31:03.480 --> 0:31:07.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's that's that's one of the mini tours that

0:31:08.640 --> 0:31:09.160
<v Speaker 1>interest me.

0:31:09.600 --> 0:31:12.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I mean it and there was I mean

0:31:12.240 --> 0:31:14.680
<v Speaker 2>it was in I have to look it up, but

0:31:14.840 --> 0:31:17.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean it was in North Dakota in like the

0:31:17.840 --> 0:31:22.000
<v Speaker 2>middle of a you know nowhere, and back in those days,

0:31:22.000 --> 0:31:24.400
<v Speaker 2>that was the good days of many tours. I mean

0:31:24.440 --> 0:31:27.520
<v Speaker 2>there was like one hundred and fifteen guys, and I

0:31:27.560 --> 0:31:32.480
<v Speaker 2>mean there's six hotel, six hotels within twenty miles.

0:31:32.560 --> 0:31:34.920
<v Speaker 1>And they're like fans come out to those Oh yeah,

0:31:35.000 --> 0:31:36.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's again they have the thing that happens

0:31:36.880 --> 0:31:37.520
<v Speaker 1>in town, right.

0:31:37.600 --> 0:31:40.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. They have no outlet for golf, like no PGA

0:31:40.680 --> 0:31:42.840
<v Speaker 2>web anything is going to ever come close to it.

0:31:43.160 --> 0:31:45.680
<v Speaker 2>And they're like, there's way more fans at a Dakota's

0:31:45.720 --> 0:31:48.200
<v Speaker 2>Tour event than at most WEB events. I mean I

0:31:48.200 --> 0:31:51.680
<v Speaker 2>sent out a picture of the of the WEB event here.

0:31:52.360 --> 0:31:57.480
<v Speaker 2>Uh it was Charlie Seaffert, Campos and somebody else. They're

0:31:57.480 --> 0:31:59.320
<v Speaker 2>all in the top fifteen in the money list, and

0:31:59.360 --> 0:32:01.960
<v Speaker 2>they literally had zero fans. I mean literally, not a grandma,

0:32:02.040 --> 0:32:05.000
<v Speaker 2>not a mom, not a girlfriend, nothing, zero fans.

0:32:05.160 --> 0:32:07.280
<v Speaker 1>That's I think one of the problems with the WEB.

0:32:07.520 --> 0:32:09.800
<v Speaker 1>And I think one of the things you see and

0:32:09.840 --> 0:32:12.200
<v Speaker 1>you see it with LPGA, you see it with seniors

0:32:12.280 --> 0:32:16.600
<v Speaker 1>is like going to major metro markets, like there's so

0:32:16.720 --> 0:32:19.640
<v Speaker 1>much other stuff to do that people get lost. Yeah,

0:32:20.160 --> 0:32:24.480
<v Speaker 1>it's like those the smaller tours and even like to

0:32:24.520 --> 0:32:27.560
<v Speaker 1>a certain extent PGA tour events like coming to Chicago,

0:32:27.640 --> 0:32:31.560
<v Speaker 1>like you're you're sure you're going to draw, but like

0:32:31.560 --> 0:32:34.520
<v Speaker 1>like the Solheim Cup when it went to Cedar Rapids, Yep,

0:32:34.880 --> 0:32:37.600
<v Speaker 1>that was the biggest exactly or was it Des Moines.

0:32:37.640 --> 0:32:40.800
<v Speaker 1>I think it was Des Moines was the biggest outdoor

0:32:40.840 --> 0:32:41.800
<v Speaker 1>sporting event.

0:32:41.880 --> 0:32:44.520
<v Speaker 2>Like because it's the only thing.

0:32:44.640 --> 0:32:46.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's the biggest thing that's ever got.

0:32:46.880 --> 0:32:49.560
<v Speaker 1>So I think that's like something that some of these

0:32:49.600 --> 0:32:52.160
<v Speaker 1>mini tours hit on, like especially the code of stour

0:32:52.240 --> 0:32:54.440
<v Speaker 1>and and what web events and like we see it

0:32:54.480 --> 0:32:55.120
<v Speaker 1>in Idaho.

0:32:55.320 --> 0:32:56.920
<v Speaker 3>The Idaho event always has passed.

0:32:57.040 --> 0:33:00.240
<v Speaker 2>Right, So back to the original question, is Kevin alw

0:33:00.520 --> 0:33:05.120
<v Speaker 2>is probably probably the best player that hasn't made it.

0:33:05.440 --> 0:33:09.520
<v Speaker 2>I just tweeted about him. He's been super helpful with

0:33:09.560 --> 0:33:14.560
<v Speaker 2>the account. He's gone three months and has not shot

0:33:14.720 --> 0:33:18.959
<v Speaker 2>a score over par in a competitive event. I mean

0:33:19.080 --> 0:33:22.320
<v Speaker 2>he's got he sent I think he has twenty four

0:33:22.440 --> 0:33:26.280
<v Speaker 2>or twenty five, three, two or three day wins. He

0:33:26.320 --> 0:33:28.720
<v Speaker 2>doesn't count one day wins like he is. I mean

0:33:28.720 --> 0:33:31.800
<v Speaker 2>he is and everyone that, like I put the stat

0:33:31.800 --> 0:33:33.880
<v Speaker 2>out about him, and I probably got the most messages

0:33:34.160 --> 0:33:38.320
<v Speaker 2>or replies about like that. He just needs the right opportunity,

0:33:38.520 --> 0:33:40.720
<v Speaker 2>Like if he gets on there, if he gets on

0:33:40.760 --> 0:33:43.320
<v Speaker 2>the web, he's gonna be fine. He just has to

0:33:43.360 --> 0:33:45.840
<v Speaker 2>play well in December and October.

0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:48.920
<v Speaker 1>How much easier is getting the count? Yeah, I mean

0:33:48.960 --> 0:33:54.600
<v Speaker 1>definitely running that count. Yeah, definitely becoming easier in some

0:33:54.640 --> 0:33:58.160
<v Speaker 1>ways easier because people send me stuff a lot. But

0:33:58.240 --> 0:34:02.320
<v Speaker 1>also like now I'm getting really obscure. I mean one

0:34:02.360 --> 0:34:04.520
<v Speaker 1>of my most popular tweets was from the Alps tour

0:34:04.760 --> 0:34:05.280
<v Speaker 1>in Europe.

0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:07.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean that is. I mean, I knew of the tour,

0:34:08.680 --> 0:34:09.880
<v Speaker 2>but that's pretty obscure.

0:34:10.200 --> 0:34:11.640
<v Speaker 3>That would be a cool one to go cat.

0:34:11.719 --> 0:34:13.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it would be. Yeah, it would And they

0:34:13.880 --> 0:34:16.200
<v Speaker 2>always go super low in that tour. Now that I've

0:34:16.360 --> 0:34:18.920
<v Speaker 2>started to follow it more, I mean they go, that

0:34:19.080 --> 0:34:22.080
<v Speaker 2>was the one that what the guy was I shot

0:34:22.120 --> 0:34:24.799
<v Speaker 2>sixty two, sixty two, sixty three and one by one

0:34:24.880 --> 0:34:25.279
<v Speaker 2>or something like that.

0:34:25.360 --> 0:34:28.040
<v Speaker 1>I imagine the way that your account, like what you

0:34:28.120 --> 0:34:34.680
<v Speaker 1>do has changed dramatically, Mike, just you know, researching score

0:34:34.719 --> 0:34:38.120
<v Speaker 1>now like you're you you're communicating with all these guys.

0:34:38.239 --> 0:34:42.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, uh yeah, Again, it's very surreal of

0:34:42.680 --> 0:34:44.640
<v Speaker 2>like what this has become. Yet. I mean, guys reach

0:34:44.680 --> 0:34:46.719
<v Speaker 2>out to me of like try to find Mondays they

0:34:46.719 --> 0:34:51.200
<v Speaker 2>can't find the Monday or like a contact person uh

0:34:51.239 --> 0:34:54.279
<v Speaker 2>for the Monday. I used to have to try to

0:34:54.360 --> 0:34:58.960
<v Speaker 2>track down like the PJA section to help me with

0:34:59.040 --> 0:35:01.239
<v Speaker 2>information on the playof Now most of them just reach

0:35:01.280 --> 0:35:03.400
<v Speaker 2>out to me. Is like I have too many people

0:35:03.680 --> 0:35:08.319
<v Speaker 2>sending me information from the Monday playoff. Yeah, I mean

0:35:09.000 --> 0:35:12.640
<v Speaker 2>there's definitely advantages to having it more, but again, there's

0:35:12.640 --> 0:35:17.520
<v Speaker 2>so much content, you know, It's like now I have

0:35:17.640 --> 0:35:19.640
<v Speaker 2>to pick through it and people who have followed for

0:35:19.680 --> 0:35:22.080
<v Speaker 2>a long time who sent me stuff. I was like, yeah,

0:35:22.200 --> 0:35:26.439
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'll try to get to it. So yeah,

0:35:26.480 --> 0:35:29.520
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's again, it's crazy that it's got to

0:35:29.520 --> 0:35:31.720
<v Speaker 2>this point. Crazy. Yeah, it's.

0:35:33.160 --> 0:35:34.000
<v Speaker 3>It's really cool.

0:35:34.120 --> 0:35:36.879
<v Speaker 1>I mean I'm a big fan of the account and

0:35:37.400 --> 0:35:41.160
<v Speaker 1>I think you're you're doing something smart. So sponsors exemptions

0:35:41.200 --> 0:35:44.640
<v Speaker 1>are always like a hot topic. Yes, and I'm curious

0:35:44.680 --> 0:35:47.600
<v Speaker 1>what if you were if you were the if you

0:35:47.640 --> 0:35:50.880
<v Speaker 1>were in charge of picking out sponsors exemptions for an event,

0:35:51.200 --> 0:35:54.640
<v Speaker 1>what what would you how would you fill the four spots?

0:35:55.200 --> 0:35:58.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I think exemptions used to used to

0:35:58.200 --> 0:36:02.560
<v Speaker 2>be and should be, you know, save for guys who

0:36:04.480 --> 0:36:06.680
<v Speaker 2>uh I'll use it. I just talked to a guy

0:36:06.760 --> 0:36:09.840
<v Speaker 2>named Tom Wrkmeister who's on the Senior Tour. Was like,

0:36:09.960 --> 0:36:12.200
<v Speaker 2>had a decorated amateur career and now like gave it

0:36:12.280 --> 0:36:14.839
<v Speaker 2>up to Yeah, yeah from Michigan. From Michigan. He's from

0:36:14.840 --> 0:36:17.399
<v Speaker 2>Grand Rapids. Yeah, I mean like won the Michigan Open

0:36:17.440 --> 0:36:19.920
<v Speaker 2>as an on the Senior Tour. Now yeah, I mean,

0:36:20.040 --> 0:36:23.239
<v Speaker 2>well you know he's he's chasing Mondays. He finished like

0:36:23.320 --> 0:36:26.840
<v Speaker 2>twelfth at final stage, so he gets like into Monday.

0:36:26.880 --> 0:36:27.920
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't have to do preques.

0:36:28.360 --> 0:36:31.120
<v Speaker 1>Let me ask you a real quick question first, somebody

0:36:31.160 --> 0:36:34.040
<v Speaker 1>told me this, in order to play Monday cues on

0:36:34.080 --> 0:36:36.239
<v Speaker 1>the Senior do you have to be a professional.

0:36:37.360 --> 0:36:40.279
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I think you as an amateur, you can go

0:36:40.360 --> 0:36:43.840
<v Speaker 2>through pre q, but you can't. You can advance into it,

0:36:44.040 --> 0:36:46.759
<v Speaker 2>but you can't play Mondays, right, So yeah, Mondays are

0:36:46.760 --> 0:36:49.359
<v Speaker 2>even Like the Senior Tour is the most closed tour,

0:36:50.480 --> 0:36:54.719
<v Speaker 2>like we we always say. I always ask like Kyle, look,

0:36:54.760 --> 0:36:57.400
<v Speaker 2>guys that grounded for a long time. Kyle Thompson ed, Lord, like, hey,

0:36:57.400 --> 0:36:59.200
<v Speaker 2>are you gonna do it at fifty? And they're like,

0:36:59.280 --> 0:37:01.239
<v Speaker 2>it's the hardest tour in the world to get onto.

0:37:01.480 --> 0:37:04.480
<v Speaker 2>There's five spots every year. Yeah, And they don't care.

0:37:04.600 --> 0:37:06.239
<v Speaker 2>They don't want people like.

0:37:06.239 --> 0:37:10.320
<v Speaker 1>They don't want they don't want Ken Tannegaut, they don't want.

0:37:10.760 --> 0:37:14.520
<v Speaker 2>No, No, they don't they don't want Ed Lower, No

0:37:14.560 --> 0:37:16.399
<v Speaker 2>offense to Edd, they just don't want them. They want,

0:37:16.560 --> 0:37:19.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, the Marco Meras and wait till Tiger turns fifty,

0:37:19.680 --> 0:37:22.439
<v Speaker 2>and that's how they sell the tour. Like they don't

0:37:22.719 --> 0:37:25.040
<v Speaker 2>they don't want him. Like a guy that I've caddied

0:37:25.080 --> 0:37:28.000
<v Speaker 2>for before great Craft, you know, made it. They don't

0:37:28.040 --> 0:37:28.720
<v Speaker 2>want great Craft.

0:37:29.280 --> 0:37:33.759
<v Speaker 1>But ironically, I think it's fascinating that a lot of

0:37:33.760 --> 0:37:36.880
<v Speaker 1>the guys that didn't have huge success on the PGA

0:37:36.960 --> 0:37:39.040
<v Speaker 1>Tour have huge success on the senior too.

0:37:39.160 --> 0:37:42.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I think that especially the Champions does not

0:37:42.920 --> 0:37:45.840
<v Speaker 2>a great job of selling Like what a story Scott

0:37:45.880 --> 0:37:50.480
<v Speaker 2>Parrell is or Ken you know, like those are crazy stories.

0:37:50.880 --> 0:37:53.160
<v Speaker 2>I mean, Scott Parrell is the ultimate grinder. They will

0:37:53.200 --> 0:37:55.560
<v Speaker 2>never I don't think there will be anyone that can

0:37:55.640 --> 0:37:59.120
<v Speaker 2>last and have this as long as he hasn't had

0:37:59.120 --> 0:38:02.200
<v Speaker 2>this success that he's had. Now it's insane.

0:38:02.360 --> 0:38:05.319
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I guess Lanny was laying into him really

0:38:05.880 --> 0:38:09.120
<v Speaker 1>on the on the telecast last week because he lost

0:38:09.160 --> 0:38:11.239
<v Speaker 1>the league. He was like, Oh, he just doesn't know

0:38:11.280 --> 0:38:14.440
<v Speaker 1>how to win, you know, he's you know, Lanny was

0:38:14.640 --> 0:38:18.239
<v Speaker 1>pulling the like, oh he's he's not like me card.

0:38:20.120 --> 0:38:22.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I mean like the guy. I mean it was

0:38:22.239 --> 0:38:26.480
<v Speaker 2>a computer programmer. But so anyway, back to the Monday qualifiers.

0:38:26.760 --> 0:38:29.520
<v Speaker 2>Even the Monday qualifiers that Champions are are closed doors,

0:38:29.600 --> 0:38:31.319
<v Speaker 2>so you have to finish. You have to finish in

0:38:31.320 --> 0:38:35.960
<v Speaker 2>the top twenty at final stage just to be able

0:38:35.960 --> 0:38:39.520
<v Speaker 2>to skip preqs, like I mean in prequ's like Ken

0:38:39.600 --> 0:38:43.280
<v Speaker 2>Duke is in pre pre qualifiers for seniors, no way, Yeah,

0:38:43.400 --> 0:38:43.960
<v Speaker 2>so it.

0:38:44.280 --> 0:38:48.280
<v Speaker 1>Guy shot the best round in me and players, Yes, yes, true.

0:38:48.200 --> 0:38:50.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, gotta play at pre Q. So good. I think

0:38:50.840 --> 0:38:52.440
<v Speaker 2>I think it's can do. But I mean, like if

0:38:52.440 --> 0:38:54.640
<v Speaker 2>you go to a pre Q for champions, there's like

0:38:55.040 --> 0:38:59.280
<v Speaker 2>plenty of guys that are like, you know, recognizable names

0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:02.960
<v Speaker 2>because they didn't finish in the top whatever at final stage.

0:39:03.280 --> 0:39:08.320
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I mean so Tom Workmeister is a perfect

0:39:08.320 --> 0:39:11.480
<v Speaker 2>example of like you know, it's a closed door out there.

0:39:11.520 --> 0:39:15.320
<v Speaker 2>He's like had a decorated amateur career and he's chasing

0:39:15.360 --> 0:39:17.520
<v Speaker 2>Mondays every Monday and doing his job. He has a

0:39:17.560 --> 0:39:20.440
<v Speaker 2>marketing job that he does from the road. That's it.

0:39:20.600 --> 0:39:22.359
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's I think one of the things we'll

0:39:22.400 --> 0:39:25.200
<v Speaker 1>see with the way that the world's changing is like

0:39:25.239 --> 0:39:27.560
<v Speaker 1>so many more people are remote with work.

0:39:27.680 --> 0:39:29.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think about it now, Like.

0:39:29.440 --> 0:39:32.759
<v Speaker 1>I just moved to the suburbs, like being able, Like

0:39:32.960 --> 0:39:34.840
<v Speaker 1>now I can actually like not being in the city,

0:39:34.840 --> 0:39:35.480
<v Speaker 1>I can actually go.

0:39:35.560 --> 0:39:36.360
<v Speaker 3>Hit golf balls.

0:39:36.440 --> 0:39:38.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, It's like I could go hit golf balls every

0:39:38.719 --> 0:39:41.480
<v Speaker 1>morning and be home and working at eight in the war.

0:39:41.680 --> 0:39:41.839
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

0:39:42.000 --> 0:39:44.879
<v Speaker 1>And that's like, you know, an unbelievable change. But that's

0:39:44.960 --> 0:39:47.880
<v Speaker 1>like what remote works can do now for people.

0:39:48.120 --> 0:39:49.240
<v Speaker 2>Yep. I agree.

0:39:49.440 --> 0:39:51.160
<v Speaker 1>It's so I think we're going to see more and

0:39:51.160 --> 0:39:55.520
<v Speaker 1>more Scott Perels, more Tan Tanagawa's more workmeisters.

0:39:55.640 --> 0:39:59.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean, obviously, the thing that slows players down

0:39:59.400 --> 0:40:02.359
<v Speaker 2>all the time across any is financial. I mean Tom

0:40:02.360 --> 0:40:05.040
<v Speaker 2>Wrkmeisert's a perfect example, is like he can't afford it.

0:40:05.120 --> 0:40:08.799
<v Speaker 2>He's got guys from his club that you know, supporting him.

0:40:09.200 --> 0:40:13.120
<v Speaker 2>So that's always been the avenue that stops most players.

0:40:13.120 --> 0:40:16.520
<v Speaker 2>It's generally not talent, it's they're running out of money.

0:40:16.640 --> 0:40:19.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, to have a full mini tour season,

0:40:20.600 --> 0:40:21.680
<v Speaker 2>you need a lot of money.

0:40:22.000 --> 0:40:25.040
<v Speaker 1>What do you have a gauge on costs of? Like,

0:40:25.160 --> 0:40:27.400
<v Speaker 1>what's it? And I think this is something that people

0:40:27.440 --> 0:40:30.160
<v Speaker 1>are always fascinated about. It's like, what's the cost of

0:40:30.320 --> 0:40:33.319
<v Speaker 1>a guy with no status? What's the cost you know,

0:40:33.480 --> 0:40:35.040
<v Speaker 1>maybe escalated up?

0:40:35.320 --> 0:40:39.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, uh, it depends on what tour you play,

0:40:39.600 --> 0:40:44.640
<v Speaker 2>but I'll use uh, I'll use Matt Ryan as an example.

0:40:45.200 --> 0:40:49.160
<v Speaker 2>He said, so there's a fifteen on Latin America he's

0:40:49.160 --> 0:40:51.680
<v Speaker 2>on Latin America. It's probably the most expensive tour out there.

0:40:51.920 --> 0:40:58.319
<v Speaker 2>Canada's pretty close. Matt spends two thousand dollars roughly a

0:40:58.400 --> 0:41:02.440
<v Speaker 2>week to play, and I mean two thousand dollars. You

0:41:02.560 --> 0:41:06.880
<v Speaker 2>have to finish top fifteen to break even, So I

0:41:06.880 --> 0:41:12.759
<v Speaker 2>mean he's losing money. The top five guys might make

0:41:12.800 --> 0:41:17.000
<v Speaker 2>a little. The rest doesn't even include like insurance. No, no,

0:41:17.040 --> 0:41:20.680
<v Speaker 2>that that doesn't include rent, like all of your living costs. Yeah,

0:41:20.719 --> 0:41:25.120
<v Speaker 2>he's taught, he's talking you know, merely getting there, playing

0:41:25.160 --> 0:41:29.520
<v Speaker 2>a week room, pay a caddy, you know those kind

0:41:29.520 --> 0:41:31.680
<v Speaker 2>of things. I mean it's two thousand dollars and that's

0:41:31.920 --> 0:41:33.960
<v Speaker 2>a small part of his seasons, not even half of

0:41:33.960 --> 0:41:37.080
<v Speaker 2>his season. You have Q School five thousand. You know, generally,

0:41:37.200 --> 0:41:39.440
<v Speaker 2>a lot of guys that I know that play a

0:41:39.520 --> 0:41:42.520
<v Speaker 2>mixture of MANI Tours, Monday Qualifiers. I look around fifty

0:41:42.600 --> 0:41:46.560
<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars in costs per year, and that doesn't include

0:41:46.640 --> 0:41:49.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, rent, all those kind of things.

0:41:49.239 --> 0:41:53.600
<v Speaker 1>So I generally will say, is that you need one

0:41:53.680 --> 0:41:55.880
<v Speaker 1>hundred grand to really give it a shot.

0:41:56.040 --> 0:41:59.320
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, And and I mean most of these guys

0:41:59.760 --> 0:42:02.480
<v Speaker 2>don't make even if they cash a big check. They

0:42:02.480 --> 0:42:05.000
<v Speaker 2>have sponsors, and most of it goes back to their sponsors.

0:42:05.120 --> 0:42:11.279
<v Speaker 2>So they have some sort of ladder, meaning like if

0:42:11.280 --> 0:42:14.040
<v Speaker 2>they make less than ten thousand dollars, eighty percent goes

0:42:14.080 --> 0:42:16.240
<v Speaker 2>back to their sponsors, twenty percent goes to the player.

0:42:16.719 --> 0:42:20.080
<v Speaker 2>If they make above fifteen you know, seventy thirty, sixty, forty,

0:42:20.120 --> 0:42:22.040
<v Speaker 2>so on and so forth, and then they have some

0:42:22.080 --> 0:42:27.640
<v Speaker 2>sort of multiplier that ends the relationship. So that's there's

0:42:27.680 --> 0:42:31.640
<v Speaker 2>a lot of different agreements among sponsors, but that's the

0:42:31.640 --> 0:42:32.760
<v Speaker 2>most popular.

0:42:32.400 --> 0:42:34.120
<v Speaker 3>One I've been.

0:42:34.760 --> 0:42:37.839
<v Speaker 1>I do these this flashback fridays for shot gonna start.

0:42:37.880 --> 0:42:41.279
<v Speaker 1>I found some obscure things like Kenny Perry. Yeah, his

0:42:41.480 --> 0:42:43.359
<v Speaker 1>deal with the guy that gave it back to them

0:42:43.480 --> 0:42:47.279
<v Speaker 1>the last time he qualified, well, he hadn't qualified, so

0:42:47.360 --> 0:42:48.800
<v Speaker 1>the guy that backed him.

0:42:48.680 --> 0:42:49.400
<v Speaker 2>Was a lipscum.

0:42:49.920 --> 0:42:52.520
<v Speaker 1>Oh really, Brad, Yeah, and he he donated like three

0:42:52.560 --> 0:42:55.719
<v Speaker 1>percent of his career earnings to lipscumb. The deal was

0:42:55.760 --> 0:42:57.920
<v Speaker 1>like three percent of your earnings go to Lipscomb. You

0:42:57.960 --> 0:43:00.720
<v Speaker 1>don't pay me back, right, and so like a Kenny

0:43:00.719 --> 0:43:02.640
<v Speaker 1>Perry scholarship at lipsoh.

0:43:02.680 --> 0:43:03.560
<v Speaker 2>He went to all that story.

0:43:03.640 --> 0:43:05.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then and then you've got like guys like

0:43:05.680 --> 0:43:09.400
<v Speaker 1>Ben Silverman. Yeah, I started reading about Ben Silverman. He

0:43:09.440 --> 0:43:11.959
<v Speaker 1>has a crazy story with like just this random guy.

0:43:12.120 --> 0:43:15.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah backed him, like his parents were like skeptical of it.

0:43:15.680 --> 0:43:20.560
<v Speaker 2>I mean Luke Kwan is a great story in itself,

0:43:20.600 --> 0:43:25.799
<v Speaker 2>but he was so he went to Oklahoma, tried it

0:43:25.840 --> 0:43:28.720
<v Speaker 2>for a year, ran out of money, lost his citizenship,

0:43:30.680 --> 0:43:32.719
<v Speaker 2>was working as a for Kaddy anyway, had to get

0:43:32.719 --> 0:43:36.720
<v Speaker 2>his citizenship in New Zealand, got citizenship, started a YouTube

0:43:36.800 --> 0:43:40.360
<v Speaker 2>channel about golf and found sponsors through a YouTube channel,

0:43:40.520 --> 0:43:42.880
<v Speaker 2>and then just one on PJ Tour China, like a

0:43:42.920 --> 0:43:46.359
<v Speaker 2>couple of weeks ago. But so back to the financial part.

0:43:46.680 --> 0:43:49.360
<v Speaker 2>It depends. So I used Steve Lebron as a perfect

0:43:49.360 --> 0:43:53.480
<v Speaker 2>example of how many tours you just can't make it.

0:43:53.520 --> 0:43:56.040
<v Speaker 2>I mean Steve Lebron won every other event in the

0:43:56.080 --> 0:43:56.799
<v Speaker 2>Minor League Tour.

0:43:56.840 --> 0:44:00.239
<v Speaker 1>I think he's got seventy six career wins, but then

0:44:00.280 --> 0:44:01.800
<v Speaker 1>he has five co wins.

0:44:02.080 --> 0:44:04.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, darkness shortened co wins.

0:44:04.680 --> 0:44:08.960
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yes, I'm so Steve is a perfect example of

0:44:09.239 --> 0:44:11.719
<v Speaker 2>so he's staying at home. The Minor League Tour is

0:44:11.800 --> 0:44:14.359
<v Speaker 2>a tour that you can stay at home. And I

0:44:14.400 --> 0:44:17.839
<v Speaker 2>interviewed him after his sixty one or sixty two at

0:44:17.880 --> 0:44:21.120
<v Speaker 2>the final stage the last day, and he said, I'd

0:44:21.160 --> 0:44:23.200
<v Speaker 2>like to tell you I was making it, but I

0:44:23.239 --> 0:44:25.720
<v Speaker 2>wasn't making it. You know, he had credit cards maxed

0:44:25.719 --> 0:44:30.520
<v Speaker 2>out trying to get to the BGA Tour, and so

0:44:30.760 --> 0:44:33.160
<v Speaker 2>if he's not making it on the minor league tour,

0:44:33.600 --> 0:44:36.200
<v Speaker 2>meaning he's not making money, you can understand what all

0:44:36.239 --> 0:44:37.480
<v Speaker 2>the rest of those guys are going through.

0:44:37.600 --> 0:44:39.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and think of it like this is the guy

0:44:39.480 --> 0:44:41.919
<v Speaker 1>that you'd see in a field in a minor league

0:44:41.920 --> 0:44:44.760
<v Speaker 1>event and you'll be like, well, like probably gonna finish

0:44:45.080 --> 0:44:47.080
<v Speaker 1>second if I play the best round of my life.

0:44:47.160 --> 0:44:47.399
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

0:44:47.640 --> 0:44:50.360
<v Speaker 1>This is the guy like this isn't the best player

0:44:50.360 --> 0:44:53.720
<v Speaker 1>of your club, this is the best player in South Florida.

0:44:53.840 --> 0:44:56.759
<v Speaker 2>Yep. That's not on a major tour exactly. I mean.

0:44:57.080 --> 0:45:00.200
<v Speaker 2>And you know, he was like, hey, I'd play, you know,

0:45:00.239 --> 0:45:01.880
<v Speaker 2>I'd win a couple of times, so we'd pay a

0:45:01.880 --> 0:45:04.560
<v Speaker 2>couple of bills, but then I'd have you know, three

0:45:04.600 --> 0:45:06.440
<v Speaker 2>events where I had to pay the interro fee and

0:45:06.480 --> 0:45:09.640
<v Speaker 2>I didn't play well, and I you know, I mean

0:45:10.480 --> 0:45:12.200
<v Speaker 2>it was kind of it was definitely a wake up

0:45:12.200 --> 0:45:14.600
<v Speaker 2>call of like if Steve Lebron is not making it

0:45:14.640 --> 0:45:16.840
<v Speaker 2>on the minor league tour staying at home and dominating,

0:45:16.920 --> 0:45:20.120
<v Speaker 2>I mean truly dominating. No one is making it on

0:45:20.680 --> 0:45:25.920
<v Speaker 2>the tour. So yeah, I mean the cost is ridiculous.

0:45:25.960 --> 0:45:29.399
<v Speaker 2>I mean Q School's five thousand dollars, so I mean

0:45:29.440 --> 0:45:33.360
<v Speaker 2>you're looking at fifty thousand dollars, like you said, one

0:45:33.400 --> 0:45:37.279
<v Speaker 2>hundred thousand dollars to give yourself a chance. It is

0:45:37.480 --> 0:45:41.520
<v Speaker 2>probably fair. China's actually one of the cheaper ones, is

0:45:41.520 --> 0:45:44.359
<v Speaker 2>about thousand dollars a week, and the and the money's good.

0:45:44.480 --> 0:45:48.200
<v Speaker 2>Canada's super expensive and any many I mean Chasing mondays

0:45:49.800 --> 0:45:53.000
<v Speaker 2>Ben Griffin has status. So his Monday Q entry fee

0:45:53.040 --> 0:45:55.880
<v Speaker 2>is only one hundred bucks I believe, and he's like,

0:45:55.960 --> 0:45:58.600
<v Speaker 2>I spend on thy to twelve hundred every week just

0:45:58.600 --> 0:45:59.920
<v Speaker 2>to get to a Monday qualifier.

0:46:00.400 --> 0:46:04.399
<v Speaker 1>It seems like China and in Asia is a road

0:46:04.520 --> 0:46:08.000
<v Speaker 1>less traveled, but one that more guys should explore.

0:46:08.320 --> 0:46:09.560
<v Speaker 2>Definitely, you know, like.

0:46:09.520 --> 0:46:12.080
<v Speaker 1>Barry Henson Yep is a you know, a guy we

0:46:12.160 --> 0:46:15.240
<v Speaker 1>interviewed on a shotgun start and he he does well

0:46:15.239 --> 0:46:18.440
<v Speaker 1>over there, like I mean, he lives in Thailand. I mean,

0:46:18.640 --> 0:46:22.240
<v Speaker 1>but that's the hard thing. You're you're uprooting your whole life.

0:46:22.320 --> 0:46:25.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean Asia, China. I mean John Caitlin is

0:46:25.840 --> 0:46:28.600
<v Speaker 2>a is a good, good story. I mean he went

0:46:28.640 --> 0:46:31.799
<v Speaker 2>over there. He did nothing here. Uh, went over there

0:46:31.800 --> 0:46:34.760
<v Speaker 2>and played on the developmental Asian Tour, which is underneath

0:46:34.760 --> 0:46:38.640
<v Speaker 2>the Asian Tour, won twice, got his Asian Tour card

0:46:38.680 --> 0:46:40.640
<v Speaker 2>one three times last year and now has you know,

0:46:40.760 --> 0:46:43.799
<v Speaker 2>European status, so uh, I mean, it's definitely a way

0:46:43.800 --> 0:46:48.120
<v Speaker 2>to go, especially China. China has like really good from

0:46:48.200 --> 0:46:52.160
<v Speaker 2>the standpoint of like the tour does a good job

0:46:52.200 --> 0:46:55.879
<v Speaker 2>of keeping costs down. So you know, Joe Gunnerman, who

0:46:55.880 --> 0:46:59.600
<v Speaker 2>I like kind of followed through his season, is it's

0:46:59.600 --> 0:47:01.799
<v Speaker 2>like it's about a thousand bucks a week and the

0:47:01.840 --> 0:47:05.799
<v Speaker 2>money's better than the prize money is better than Latin

0:47:05.840 --> 0:47:08.359
<v Speaker 2>American China's. But more and more guys are going over

0:47:08.400 --> 0:47:10.840
<v Speaker 2>there because the secret's kind of out that it's you know,

0:47:10.920 --> 0:47:12.439
<v Speaker 2>the best, better way to go.

0:47:12.640 --> 0:47:14.680
<v Speaker 3>And uh, what what do you think about?

0:47:14.800 --> 0:47:19.120
<v Speaker 1>Like, so obviously a big change with the PGA Tour

0:47:19.280 --> 0:47:21.200
<v Speaker 1>was going to where a Q school doesn't get you

0:47:21.239 --> 0:47:24.160
<v Speaker 1>on the tour, but you're a European tour still gets

0:47:24.200 --> 0:47:26.440
<v Speaker 1>you up to tour, so you know, Q school used

0:47:26.440 --> 0:47:28.920
<v Speaker 1>to be you get up, you qualify, you get up

0:47:28.920 --> 0:47:31.160
<v Speaker 1>to the tour, and now you go to the WEB.

0:47:31.560 --> 0:47:35.239
<v Speaker 1>So European Tour Q school is still structured so that

0:47:35.360 --> 0:47:38.520
<v Speaker 1>you go straight to the European Tour. You know, is

0:47:38.520 --> 0:47:42.160
<v Speaker 1>that a trend because of brooks Kepta's success and Peter

0:47:42.360 --> 0:47:44.759
<v Speaker 1>u Line and you know Sam Horsfeld.

0:47:44.920 --> 0:47:47.919
<v Speaker 2>Now, yeah, I'm surprised that more guys don't go over

0:47:47.960 --> 0:47:50.680
<v Speaker 2>there because of that, you know, I really am. I mean,

0:47:51.120 --> 0:47:55.040
<v Speaker 2>especially after their success, you know, they cans an other one. Yeah, yeah,

0:47:55.080 --> 0:48:00.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, like those guys have had success, and I'm

0:48:00.080 --> 0:48:02.680
<v Speaker 2>surprised that we don't. You definitely see more, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of guys went over and didn't get through

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<v Speaker 2>this year. Definitely, first stage second stages filled with more

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<v Speaker 2>Canadians and Americans than I've than I've seen before. Like

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<v Speaker 2>Wittenberg went over there. A bunch of guys went over

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<v Speaker 2>there this year. They just didn't get through. So maybe

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<v Speaker 2>it's just the fact that they're not playing well. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>surprised that they second stages match up. So a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of guys have to make a choice, like Jack McGuire

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<v Speaker 2>had to make a choice this year. A couple other

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<v Speaker 2>guys that I can't remember, like got through first stage

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<v Speaker 2>at both spots, but second stages match up, which I'm

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<v Speaker 2>surprised they don't separate them, so like you can play both.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. That'll do it for Part one with Ryan

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<v Speaker 1>French from Monday q Info. Tune in for Part two

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<v Speaker 1>later this week and we will dive more into the

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<v Speaker 1>US Open and Sectionals and the a little bit more

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<v Speaker 1>about the obscure players that you'll see next week and

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<v Speaker 1>their stories. You've been listening to the Egg podcast, we

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<v Speaker 1>do the digging for you