Speaker 1: I won't let my body out, be out everything that
Speaker 1: I'm made do. Won't spend my life trying to change.
Speaker 1: I'm learning to love who I am. I get I'm strong,
Speaker 1: I feel free, I know who every part of me.
Speaker 1: It's beautiful and I will always out way if you
Speaker 1: feel it with your hays in the air, She'll love
Speaker 1: to the poet there. Let's say, good day and time
Speaker 1: did you and die out? Welcome back to Outweigh fam.
Speaker 1: We've got a special guest. You probably already know her
Speaker 1: from a past episode. It's registered dietitian Michelle Pillapesh. Hey Michelle, Hi,
Speaker 1: good to see you, so good to see you. We
Speaker 1: had Michelle on last year for an episode called is
Speaker 1: it an eating disorder? Or disordered eating? I'm going to
Speaker 1: link that in the show notes because I think we
Speaker 1: get that question a lot on here, and it's a
Speaker 1: great starting place to start getting in quick. It is
Speaker 1: curious and for lack of a better word, defining where
Speaker 1: you're at only for the purposes of then making sure
Speaker 1: that you get the right support in that moment. So
Speaker 1: Michelle is a registered dietitian and I am frequently referring
Speaker 1: to her because she not only works with people struggling
Speaker 1: with disordered eating, body image, all that stuff that we
Speaker 1: all struggle with here. But she also does work with
Speaker 1: eating disorders. So Michelle, you have specific training with eating
Speaker 1: disorders right before you became a register, before you established
Speaker 1: your own practice. Yeah. Yeah, that was really where I
Speaker 1: started everything. My very last internship rotation in grad school
Speaker 1: was a residential treatment center, and that's where I really
Speaker 1: fell in love with this niche. And then I stayed
Speaker 1: in residential after that, and that was my first rd job,
Speaker 1: and then kind of trickled through the different levels of
Speaker 1: care IO P P HP UM, you know, different levels
Speaker 1: of intensity for eating disorder treatment, and I loved all
Speaker 1: of it. I learned so much and definitely draw from
Speaker 1: that residential experience in my one on one client work
Speaker 1: right now. Awesome. I mean, I think that's good for
Speaker 1: people to hear. They might not know that there are
Speaker 1: different levels of care as you make your way through
Speaker 1: and needing disorder. I think we hear a lot of
Speaker 1: fairy tale stories, maybe not intentionally, but a lot of
Speaker 1: details are left out of people's stories where they go
Speaker 1: through a more intensive maybe a residential treatment where they're
Speaker 1: you know, living there, maybe not maybe they're just doing
Speaker 1: intensive outpatient. That's what IOP stands for, right, right, So
Speaker 1: that's you know, still intensive, but an outpatient not living there.
Speaker 1: And what was the PHP What does that stand for?
Speaker 1: P HP is partial hospitalization, which is kind of an
Speaker 1: unfortunate name because it sounds intense and scary, but that's
Speaker 1: the in between. And that's a day program where you're
Speaker 1: typically doing like a day treatment, but you're living at home,
Speaker 1: and it's sometimes five days a week, sometimes three or four.
Speaker 1: But it's a step up from the intensive outpatient, which
Speaker 1: is usually just a few hours a week, a couple
Speaker 1: of days a week. So yeah, there are a lot
Speaker 1: of levels and that is a reason it I think
Speaker 1: it's so so important to talk to a provider, talked
Speaker 1: to an eating disorder specialists if you're struggling, even if
Speaker 1: you don't think you have a full blown eating disorder,
Speaker 1: because all of these different levels are not really talked about.
Speaker 1: All the options can be I mean, they are overwhelming
Speaker 1: and confusing, and so somebody just getting on the phone
Speaker 1: with you are doing an initial session will be able
Speaker 1: to really tell you what's going to be most appropriate.
Speaker 1: I think that's a really critical point and I think
Speaker 1: all of our listeners, whether you're struggling with something related
Speaker 1: to food or mental health, having a team, it could
Speaker 1: be an individual, doesn't have to be a full blown team.
Speaker 1: Having somebody help you identify what level of support you need,
Speaker 1: not how level of sick you are, but what level
Speaker 1: of support you specifically need is critical to the process
Speaker 1: of you getting well. And I think that characterized by
Speaker 1: eating disorders and disordered eating is this feeling of loneliness, shame.
Speaker 1: I'm the only one going through it, nobody can save
Speaker 1: me but myself, and it just it couldn't be more
Speaker 1: opposite than than the truth. So, I mean, I know
Speaker 1: a lot of eating disorder therapists. I find it harder
Speaker 1: to come across eating disorder registered dietitians in a practice
Speaker 1: like you. So that's why you're I also just love
Speaker 1: your approach. And I think you interned for me years
Speaker 1: and years and years ago. That's where we connected. We
Speaker 1: are both in very different places in our in our journeys. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: something I just wanted to add was I really love
Speaker 1: that I have the experience of residential because you're so right.
Speaker 1: Clients come to me an outpatient thinking, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: like this is horrible. I'm so ashamed of everything. I
Speaker 1: don't know where to start. And there's often a lot
Speaker 1: that people don't want to share. And I'm always telling
Speaker 1: people it doesn't phaze me. I've seen it all. I've
Speaker 1: seen it all, and you're not the only one. And
Speaker 1: then you know them sharing things and having that like
Speaker 1: in some ways lack of reaction, like, oh, this provider
Speaker 1: is not shocked by this. Other people do this can
Speaker 1: be really really comforting to help people just feel seen
Speaker 1: in their struggle. Yeah, and what about like the group
Speaker 1: aspect of treatment. Do you find that people do really
Speaker 1: well in group settings? Yeah, so I think that the
Speaker 1: group is so important. Obviously, groups are a part of
Speaker 1: more intensive treatment, and seeing that, as well as just
Speaker 1: working one on one with clients, has led me to
Speaker 1: create a group program for clients because so many people
Speaker 1: that I work with are going through this struggle and
Speaker 1: they're surrounded in their personal life by people who are dieting,
Speaker 1: friends and family who have never heard of into it,
Speaker 1: of eating who maybe in some ways contributed to their
Speaker 1: eating disorder struggle or have struggled with their own disordered eating.
Speaker 1: And if that person isn't on the same path, of
Speaker 1: really healing and recovering and getting to the place of
Speaker 1: a positive relationship with food. Then it can be so
Speaker 1: hard for clients to have their forty five minutes or
Speaker 1: one hour with me every week and then be in
Speaker 1: their life fighting so hard and feeling so loan. So
Speaker 1: having people to connect with who are on the same
Speaker 1: path can be really really helpful in like solidifying everything
Speaker 1: that they're learning. So I really want our audience to
Speaker 1: use you as a resource. Go to your Instagram, know
Speaker 1: that you're available for one on ones. You have some
Speaker 1: insurance capabilities, but you also provide super bills, which means
Speaker 1: you can get reimbursed. That's kind of you know what
Speaker 1: you've been doing for a long time. But I also
Speaker 1: want them to hear about this awesome new online group
Speaker 1: coaching program called Simply Intuitive. Right, Yeah, so this is
Speaker 1: brand new. It is a really comprehensive program that includes
Speaker 1: a five module course which is really all the education
Speaker 1: that I give to my one on one client. So
Speaker 1: it goes through connecting with like your definition of health
Speaker 1: and starting off with your defining your goals and what
Speaker 1: you really want to achieve, teaching about intuitive eating, the
Speaker 1: basics of like meal guidelines how to actually feed yourself
Speaker 1: nourish yourself, and then more on the questions that I
Speaker 1: get a lot about the tow wis been weight and
Speaker 1: all of the science things as well as touching on
Speaker 1: body image and exercise. And then there are live group
Speaker 1: coaching calls every month and a private online community so
Speaker 1: that you can be really plugged in and connected NonStop. Yes,
Speaker 1: you can do the course on your own time, and
Speaker 1: it's it's less of a challenge to fit into your
Speaker 1: busy schedule in that sense, but you still have that
Speaker 1: connection even outside of the course component and even when
Speaker 1: you're not in like a live call with me. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So well, it's really unique about the program. That stood
Speaker 1: out to me at least is that one it's twelve months,
Speaker 1: so you're really getting somebody who is committed to I
Speaker 1: like to call undoing the work, like really, you know,
Speaker 1: it does take time. It's not an overnight process. Uh,
Speaker 1: And you're getting somebody who's going to say, I'm going
Speaker 1: to do this for a year and see where it
Speaker 1: takes me. I also love the price of it. Um
Speaker 1: you know, it's very expensive to do one on ones
Speaker 1: and the prices is really good for on your website,
Speaker 1: it says for less than four dollars a day. I think, yes,
Speaker 1: it's true, that's like less than a coffee here in
Speaker 1: New York City. Yeah, sadly the price of coffee, right,
Speaker 1: So I really I really love that. But I don't know.
Speaker 1: There's something about the way that you speak to the
Speaker 1: experience that's really gentle and comforting, and you're incorporating all
Speaker 1: the things that I think people are afraid to ask
Speaker 1: when they are working with somebody who teaches intuitive eating.
Speaker 1: Like you said, you're explaining how the body works, how
Speaker 1: weight works, how food works. Um, I'm super passionate about
Speaker 1: clearing that up with my clients as well, because I
Speaker 1: believe information is key and we don't need to skirt around.
Speaker 1: I think those topics, just because we are in pursue
Speaker 1: of goals that have less to do with our weight
Speaker 1: and less focus of them, I think we could actually
Speaker 1: hunker down on them. Absolutely. I mean this is something
Speaker 1: that I especially recently, have become so so passionate about.
Speaker 1: I know it's similar to your approach, but I created
Speaker 1: the whole horse and program to be extremely practical because
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of misconception when people see
Speaker 1: into it of eating online. They think, oh, it's just
Speaker 1: this like willy nilly, do whatever you want. Everything's happy
Speaker 1: and fine, and we're gonna eat cookies all day. And
Speaker 1: that's so unapproachable. That's unappealing in ways because it's not
Speaker 1: something people can relate to, you know, if they have
Speaker 1: questions about, like you're saying, well, how does my body work?
Speaker 1: How does my weight work? Even if it's not the
Speaker 1: most supportive thing to be focusing on the number, it
Speaker 1: is supportive to understand it because if you don't have understanding,
Speaker 1: then you can't fight against what you're hearing from diets.
Speaker 1: And it's it's a lot to take in. And um,
Speaker 1: I'm glad you pointed out the twelve months of the program.
Speaker 1: That's really intentional. Hopefully a lot of people in your community.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people in our communities know
Speaker 1: that any thirty day program is a red flag, like
Speaker 1: that's not going to really make a change. Um. And
Speaker 1: I have seen from my work with clients that it
Speaker 1: takes a long time to really learn this, implement it,
Speaker 1: have challenges, mess up, get set back, and learn how
Speaker 1: to deal with that and then continue forward and really
Speaker 1: integrate it. And so I always tell my clients I'm
Speaker 1: never gonna lie to you. I'm not going to like
Speaker 1: tell you what it doesn't matter or you can't think
Speaker 1: about it, or you should never step on the scale
Speaker 1: or have these absolutes like no, I want to give
Speaker 1: people the true information and then take the time to
Speaker 1: really see how that's going to work in their life.
Speaker 1: So true, and that's like really the key to neutralizing
Speaker 1: words like weight, neutralizing words like calories. When I talk
Speaker 1: about when we talk about calories, I'm not saying calories
Speaker 1: don't exist, but more calories doesn't necessarily mean bad, and
Speaker 1: less calories doesn't mean good. And I think when you
Speaker 1: provide information facts without weight bias like you do, clearly
Speaker 1: it's providing people with that information to actually work in
Speaker 1: tangent with their bodies and get to know them. So,
Speaker 1: like you said, I think a lot of people think
Speaker 1: intuitive eating is this willy nilly thing. And I think
Speaker 1: that obviously influencers and quotes carry some burden to that
Speaker 1: blame by knowing it's a trendy thing and speaking to
Speaker 1: it kind of loosely. But I also think a lot
Speaker 1: of health practitioners selling it, even really good health practitioners,
Speaker 1: in efforts to really say this is not a diet
Speaker 1: have alienated the audience Amy. I talked about this with
Speaker 1: Amy recently, have alienated the audience that needs to hear
Speaker 1: it most, Like you know, posts that that are kind
Speaker 1: of that make it seem very easy or just the
Speaker 1: opposite of dieting. That's all you need to do, I think,
Speaker 1: really um speak to an audience that already understands that.
Speaker 1: But what we want to do on this podcast and
Speaker 1: the people that I want to personally impact, and I
Speaker 1: know that you're making an impact for are the people
Speaker 1: that don't know how to get there and are too
Speaker 1: afraid to approach it because it feels so far in
Speaker 1: the distance. It still surprises me because I do sometimes
Speaker 1: exist in the bubble of intuitive eating and and then
Speaker 1: I'll meet someone or interact with someone who truly doesn't
Speaker 1: know what it means, and it gets me so excited
Speaker 1: to actually share about it in this this neutral, approachable way.
Speaker 1: And that's a reason why I am extremely intentional with
Speaker 1: my language. And another thing that I have been thinking
Speaker 1: about a ton recently is just the word exercise, because
Speaker 1: I see that as a part I mean, it is
Speaker 1: a part of intuitive eating if you look at the
Speaker 1: ten principles from you know, the creator's movement is a
Speaker 1: part of it. And I see so many people on
Speaker 1: social media who are in the intuitive eating space. Like
Speaker 1: you said, those influencers only using the word movement, only
Speaker 1: talking about gentle movement. And I often use the word
Speaker 1: exercise because I think there's such a connotation with exercise
Speaker 1: to grinding in the gym, being on the scaremaster for
Speaker 1: an hour, this stuff that people hate. And I even
Speaker 1: asked my followers recently, like what do you associate this with?
Speaker 1: And people said, you know, sweating, working hard, like it
Speaker 1: has this intense negative connotation, Whereas that's not what it
Speaker 1: needs to be. That's not how I think of it
Speaker 1: in my life. I think of it as physical activity.
Speaker 1: And I talked to a lot of my clients about
Speaker 1: physical activity um in relation to everything you do in
Speaker 1: your day, whether it's gardening or cleaning your house, or
Speaker 1: like locking your dog, playing touch with your dog. You
Speaker 1: can tell I have a dog who loves to play touch.
Speaker 1: But it's really intentional that I'm putting more of that
Speaker 1: out there. I did become a certified personal trainer last summer,
Speaker 1: and I actually ran the New York City Marathon in
Speaker 1: the Yeah, and for so long, I mean all while
Speaker 1: I was training. I didn't say a word about it
Speaker 1: on my Instagram page. I wasn't going to share it
Speaker 1: at all. And then I decided, no, I do want
Speaker 1: to do this because people probably see marathoning as disorder
Speaker 1: changing your body really intense, and I wanted to share, like, no,
Speaker 1: you can do this in a way where you don't
Speaker 1: change what you eat, your body doesn't change. It's enjoyable,
Speaker 1: you allow yourself kind of like those are all things
Speaker 1: that I did, and I really had fun and it
Speaker 1: was a sluper slow race. It was not the time
Speaker 1: I wanted, and like that's fine. I still love running
Speaker 1: and I still want to do it again. And so
Speaker 1: obviously not everyone needs to run, but exercise can be
Speaker 1: like a fun hobby that also benefits you in mental
Speaker 1: and physical ways. Yes, I think you're definitely hitting on
Speaker 1: something that not a lot of people are speaking about,
Speaker 1: and perhaps they're afraid to speak about it, like you were,
Speaker 1: for being afraid to trigger somebody or afraid of how
Speaker 1: it would be perceived, knowing how intense marathon training can be.
Speaker 1: But you did it in your own way and kept
Speaker 1: the joy were you know, didn't bring the negative self talk.
Speaker 1: And what I think is so cool about our space, Michelle,
Speaker 1: is that we can do the same exact things and
Speaker 1: yet the meaning attached to them are different depending on
Speaker 1: our mindset or our reasoning. You know, like I could
Speaker 1: run a marathon and it'd be really unhealthy for me,
Speaker 1: or I could run a marathon and have it be
Speaker 1: healthy for me. I'm running the marathon either way, but
Speaker 1: the way in which I'm doing it is completely different,
Speaker 1: and my experience is different, and my takeaways are different,
Speaker 1: and my negative self talk is different. Whereas this is
Speaker 1: something you should be proud of. You worked really hard,
Speaker 1: and I think we're afraid to say we work really
Speaker 1: hard with our bodies in this space because so many
Speaker 1: people self included comes from a place of exercise addiction.
Speaker 1: I think you're right. I've definitely moved into the word
Speaker 1: of saying movement more. But exercise is a huge part
Speaker 1: of my mental health toolbox. It's not the only thing
Speaker 1: in my in my mental health toolbox, I could dig
Speaker 1: rest days, I don't eat to burn or things like that.
Speaker 1: But I think you're a percent right to put the
Speaker 1: word exercise back on the table, and I don't know,
Speaker 1: I assume, you know, as a personal trainer, that's a
Speaker 1: really interesting credential to have on top of being an
Speaker 1: eating disorder therapist. It is, it's you know, it's interesting,
Speaker 1: and I also I'm really excited with just what I'm
Speaker 1: brainstorming to also bring to my community with that certification.
Speaker 1: The lesson I have on exercise in my course does
Speaker 1: include a lot of handouts and worksheets and mental exercises
Speaker 1: to do to really tap into like what is enjoyable,
Speaker 1: what are your intentions? All of those things you were
Speaker 1: talking about, because mindset makes a big difference. I am
Speaker 1: hoping to have kind of an add on program to
Speaker 1: this that will be actual guided workouts with me videos
Speaker 1: because I love to do those. And I mean, luckily,
Speaker 1: you know, for myself in the place I'm in now,
Speaker 1: I can hear the appearance focused language and tune it
Speaker 1: out and just do what I need to do. But
Speaker 1: when I have clients who are just stepping back into
Speaker 1: exercise after you know, possibly overusing it or just having
Speaker 1: a break for a while, that's not a resource I
Speaker 1: want to give. And I found myself really lacking resources
Speaker 1: to give, so so they're coming from yours truly, that's awesome. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I also do want to say that I'm not perfect.
Speaker 1: I haven't always been this way. I haven't struggled with
Speaker 1: an eating disorder, and so for that reason, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't often talk about myself and my struggles in
Speaker 1: my history, but recently, just with talking more about exercise
Speaker 1: on social media and with clients, I have been reflecting
Speaker 1: back and like, yeah, there was a time when I
Speaker 1: was on the high school track team and I would
Speaker 1: come home from practice and like check my stomach in
Speaker 1: the mirror before I showered to see if it was
Speaker 1: flat from my run, and like that was not a
Speaker 1: positive mindset. And luckily, you know, I didn't spiral into
Speaker 1: the addiction or over exercise. But even staying within the
Speaker 1: activity of running, I was able to just come out
Speaker 1: of that when I experienced it in a way that
Speaker 1: was more fun, like running with friends. I joined a
Speaker 1: running club. It's so much more social, and you know,
Speaker 1: the marathon training was just amazing to see like, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, my body can do this. Its like I
Speaker 1: didn't know I could do that, and that mental joy
Speaker 1: is really like what I do it for now. And
Speaker 1: I love to tell you such an individual process of
Speaker 1: figuring out what works for you, Like I love I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say exercise I do. I love exercise. I think
Speaker 1: it puts my mind body connection on blast, and especially
Speaker 1: during noisier times of my life, it is a thing
Speaker 1: that I can put the phone down, play music, UM
Speaker 1: really connect. I get great ideas, I feel good, my
Speaker 1: joints feel lubricated, all that good stuff. But Michelle, I
Speaker 1: will never run a marathon. I will never Traine, I
Speaker 1: will not I will probably never run a mile in
Speaker 1: my life. I hate running. I I have a peloton
Speaker 1: and I only do the walks and the hikes and
Speaker 1: the power walks, and that feels really good. And the
Speaker 1: instructors are always showing up starting it with I know
Speaker 1: that you, like all you runners are here for your
Speaker 1: rest day, and it always cracks me up because, like,
Speaker 1: it's pretty intense and it feels really good on my body.
Speaker 1: And I think people have this idea that running is
Speaker 1: more intense, therefore better than walking, or this is better
Speaker 1: than that, and it's absolutely not true. It's what feels
Speaker 1: good on your body, yes, exactly. And you know another thing,
Speaker 1: I always emphasized in choosing when to move your body
Speaker 1: and what to do is the fact that exercise is
Speaker 1: a stress on your body. And so if you're already
Speaker 1: in a state of stress, and again this is something
Speaker 1: I added into a lesson in my courses like these
Speaker 1: checkens to figure out is this a day to work
Speaker 1: out or not. But if you're already in a state
Speaker 1: of stress, whether that be from lack of sleep or
Speaker 1: nourishment or mental stress because you hate what you're doing,
Speaker 1: then it's it's no longer a positive stress on your body.
Speaker 1: Then it's a negative stress and you're not even going
Speaker 1: to get the benefits that you want. So yeah, choosing
Speaker 1: something that you enjoy is so important, and there's there's
Speaker 1: no better, there's no worse. There was a period during
Speaker 1: my training where I had an injury and so I
Speaker 1: got really into pilates and realized that I love pilates
Speaker 1: and I was doing that and it is so hard hard,
Speaker 1: So like you know, there it doesn't matter, and even
Speaker 1: if it doesn't feel hard, you know there are other
Speaker 1: things like a restorative yoga cla as for me is
Speaker 1: hard mentally to like shut off and disconnect, and that
Speaker 1: is such a positive challenge to like stretch my mind
Speaker 1: in that way. So everything is good in different ways. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think exercise, whatever it is, pilates, running, walking, it
Speaker 1: could be a way to run from yourself or to
Speaker 1: dive more deeply into your body. When you're talking about
Speaker 1: running and then pilates and then restored to yoga, you're
Speaker 1: tapping into all these different parts of your body that
Speaker 1: are waking up, that are feeling love and lubrication and
Speaker 1: hormones are changing in neurotransmitter, like every little bit of
Speaker 1: you deserves to have love. You know, we live in
Speaker 1: a very sedentary I always say that word wrong sedentery, sedentary, sedentary.
Speaker 1: We live in a very sedentary world, you know. And
Speaker 1: it's I think when approaching intuitive eating or ditching diet culture,
Speaker 1: there is a time period where you might need to
Speaker 1: abstain from exercise, especially if addiction is you know, in
Speaker 1: your past. But when you reintroduce it it can be
Speaker 1: so welcoming and different to your body. And like you said,
Speaker 1: playing fetch with your dog, you know, we need to
Speaker 1: to move. Having a baby and oh my gosh, my
Speaker 1: body hurts so much from carrying lifting over my shout.
Speaker 1: You know, she can't walk like every time she needs something,
Speaker 1: I need to to pick her up bending down. I'm
Speaker 1: only thirty three years old, and yet I'm like aching
Speaker 1: and cracking and my dedication to my physical body and
Speaker 1: in a season of I need to take really good
Speaker 1: care of this through strength training, through gentle movement, through
Speaker 1: intense movement on days that feels good. Pumping my heart
Speaker 1: rate up is important for my cardiovascular health. And it's
Speaker 1: interesting to see my why. Like you said, shift and
Speaker 1: I believe we are meant to move, and we don't
Speaker 1: live like we're meant to move. So integrating that in
Speaker 1: a way that that is good with your guidance, I
Speaker 1: think it's such a cool component to this program in
Speaker 1: a way that I really have an seeing any programs
Speaker 1: out there really do. Yeah, And I'm like so fired
Speaker 1: about all of this. This is what I love to
Speaker 1: talk about. And I really want to also touch on
Speaker 1: the point that not everybody struggles with over exercise. And
Speaker 1: I think that's something that's really harp done myself included.
Speaker 1: You know, coming from the eating disorder space, it's very
Speaker 1: common that people have that as a compensatory behavior. And yes,
Speaker 1: I do speak to that in my course and just
Speaker 1: in my messaging in general, and I also have resources
Speaker 1: for someone who struggles to motivate to move their body,
Speaker 1: because I think that is probably a more common challenge
Speaker 1: when we look at just our society as a whole.
Speaker 1: And what you pointed out is so important connecting to
Speaker 1: your why and making it something that is actually really
Speaker 1: important and noticeable in your day to day life. Whether
Speaker 1: it's you know, strength training to keep up with your
Speaker 1: child or lift your child, or is it being able
Speaker 1: to get up to your walk up apartment um multiple
Speaker 1: times a day because you're taking your dog out, Or
Speaker 1: is it strength of training so you don't get injured
Speaker 1: running because that's a really positive mental thing, or you know,
Speaker 1: maybe it's just you want to move your body so
Speaker 1: you can sleep better at night, or like these things
Speaker 1: that are a part of day to day life. How
Speaker 1: we move and when we move and while we move
Speaker 1: is so connected to just our overall well being in
Speaker 1: a really basic way. And so there's a lot that
Speaker 1: you can think about and brainstorm that I I lead
Speaker 1: people through here to really connect to a sustainable reason
Speaker 1: to move, because that's what's going to keep you doing
Speaker 1: it long term, which is you know what's going to
Speaker 1: help with your longevity, your health, your wellness or everything
Speaker 1: rather than just trying to get a six pack or
Speaker 1: something awesome. I love that. So, uh, the your program, um,
Speaker 1: we're gonna link it below. We're gonna put your Instagram
Speaker 1: as well. And I think in terms of who it's
Speaker 1: for who it's not for, you can go to Michelle's
Speaker 1: site and kind of read through it. If there's any
Speaker 1: lack of clarity there. There's a little discovery call I
Speaker 1: think you offer to so people can learn before investing
Speaker 1: their time and money if this program is right for
Speaker 1: them where they're at right now. I think it sounds
Speaker 1: really incredible, And like I said, you know, Michelle is
Speaker 1: my go to for referring for one on one so
Speaker 1: she's certainly a trusted resource of mind and as you
Speaker 1: can tell from being a guest now twice and maybe
Speaker 1: again in the future, as she speaks with just compassion
Speaker 1: and a real understanding. I think you brought up a
Speaker 1: really great point where we do talk a lot about
Speaker 1: exercise addiction, but oftentimes in my programs as well, people
Speaker 1: will show up and be like, that's not my problem
Speaker 1: at all, or even when it comes to eating, they'll
Speaker 1: be like I don't binge. I I forget to eat.
Speaker 1: So for anybody who feels isolated by some of the
Speaker 1: conversations that we have here, just know that sometimes we
Speaker 1: miss that the opposite behavior is also normal, even normal
Speaker 1: within this space, and there's plenty of people going through it,
Speaker 1: even if you feel like when we speak about it,
Speaker 1: we don't we and hear you. So, Michelle, You're hitting
Speaker 1: on so many amazing points that I think are lost
Speaker 1: in this space, and it's simply because you're living your
Speaker 1: truth honestly, a little blend of truth. It is life here,
Speaker 1: but you continue to show up authentically. And I also
Speaker 1: just want to mention I think not having a background
Speaker 1: with real disordered eating or eating disorder gives you a
Speaker 1: really nice, like just feet planted in the ground, different
Speaker 1: than a lot of us who have been through it
Speaker 1: and get it. There's benefits to that, but there's also
Speaker 1: somebody something really grounding about somebody who hasn't had that
Speaker 1: experience and is really just a pure professional, expertise trained
Speaker 1: and can kind of look see it through a slightly
Speaker 1: different lens, right right. I once had a client tell
Speaker 1: me that they thought that I did have an eating
Speaker 1: disorder history because I spoke about it and could understand
Speaker 1: it so well, and I was so flattered by that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I do like to bring in just all different perspectives,
Speaker 1: touch on all different points and and like you mentioned, yes,
Speaker 1: anyone who asonates with any of this, I would love
Speaker 1: for them to book a call. I have those links
Speaker 1: on my site and on the program page, and then
Speaker 1: we can discuss from there, like what their specific challenges are,
Speaker 1: whether it's most appropriate for one on one or group
Speaker 1: or or something totally different, and I can refer them
Speaker 1: to other resources. But I do love to connect and
Speaker 1: actually chat in real time with people to tease it
Speaker 1: all out. That's always the best way. Awesome. Well, thank
Speaker 1: you for being you doing the work that you do, um,
Speaker 1: and I expect you'll hear from a lot of our
Speaker 1: outweigh family who may be hopefully interested in taking the
Speaker 1: real commitment for the next twelve months. Yes, it would
Speaker 1: be awesome, awesome, thanks so much for having me. Thank you, Michelle,