Speaker 1: Come on, come on, come on.
Speaker 2: In this episode of The heat Check, we talk about
Speaker 2: the wild roller coaster that is the Ben Simmons and
Speaker 2: six or saga, we get into the top seventy five
Speaker 2: players of all time list and the people snubbed.
Speaker 1: We talked about Kyle Lowry.
Speaker 2: And the impact that he's already having in the Miami Heat,
Speaker 2: and some other news from around the league.
Speaker 1: Let's get into it. I mean, we got to talk
Speaker 1: about Ben Simmons, right, well, well, well.
Speaker 2: We started out the first season of The heat Check,
Speaker 2: which is called This Leak.
Speaker 1: We are now the.
Speaker 2: Podcast formerly known as This Leak, kind of like Prince,
Speaker 2: and that was.
Speaker 1: With a discussion of Ben Simmons.
Speaker 2: We started it with Ben, we ended it with Ben,
Speaker 2: and then we started this new endeavor with Ben. The
Speaker 2: more things change, I guess, the more things stay. The
Speaker 2: goddamn thame Like time's well a flat circle, they say, YadA, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, don't ask Kyrie what time is because he'll
Speaker 2: tell you.
Speaker 1: I don't even know.
Speaker 2: You know, planets when they're flat, I don't think they
Speaker 2: Time is the same way.
Speaker 1: But here's a real bold take.
Speaker 2: I've been doing some thinking forget Dennis Rodman forget Meadow
Speaker 2: World Peace AKAA, run our test, Forget Joe Barry Carroll,
Speaker 2: Joe Barey, Caros, Ben Simmons.
Speaker 1: Is you know that well? You know that well?
Speaker 2: Ben Simmons is the most polarizing NBA player in NBA history.
Speaker 1: That is a bold assertion.
Speaker 2: And to me, this is only going to get more
Speaker 2: solidified as time goes on.
Speaker 1: It's only going to get worse.
Speaker 2: Seriously, Like, I don't think that there's a player that
Speaker 2: has caused more intense debate, a player that has caused
Speaker 2: more defense for and more rank or towards more chaos
Speaker 2: over a long period than Ben. He's had loyal defenders
Speaker 2: willing to go just like to the ends of the
Speaker 2: earth for Ben Simmons, no matter how bad he played,
Speaker 2: no matter how dogshit he was, it was like Ben
Speaker 2: Simmons is a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1: If he had a jump shot, It's like, well that's
Speaker 1: a pretty big if, isn't it? Isn't it?
Speaker 2: He also had extremely loud, annoying characters being.
Speaker 3: Like, oh my god, what a bum, Ben Simmons. No jumper,
Speaker 3: Ben off the backboard, two moves, No bag, Ben.
Speaker 1: You're a bum Simmons.
Speaker 2: Like really, annoying characters just literally click baiting their way
Speaker 2: to ascension off of the demise of Ben, which to
Speaker 2: me is really what's wrong with media. If you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like, it's what we aim to stay
Speaker 2: away from here at the heat check, you.
Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: All the while though, he just keeps on grinding on defense.
Speaker 2: Dpoy top of the list every year he's an All Star.
Speaker 2: He refuses to shoot.
Speaker 1: No matter when.
Speaker 2: Even with the game on the line and the season
Speaker 2: on the line, Ben Simmons will pass. He's that generous
Speaker 2: of a player, but polarizing all the same.
Speaker 1: So where did this all come from? Like for those
Speaker 1: who haven't been.
Speaker 2: Following this league and now the heat Check and me,
Speaker 2: you may not know the full story. So I'm going
Speaker 2: to just break it down very quickly for you. Saga
Speaker 2: started or saga started from where he was drafted. Before that,
Speaker 2: there were scouting reports from twenty sixteen about this Ben's
Speaker 2: lack of competitiessnes in crucial moments.
Speaker 1: You don't say me more.
Speaker 2: The full breakdown says this Simmons quote, lack of competitiveness
Speaker 2: in crucial games has raised questions about his character.
Speaker 1: Those who know him best, tell me more. Say he
Speaker 1: needs things.
Speaker 2: To revolve around him on and off the court, on
Speaker 2: and off the court.
Speaker 1: Sounds like not a great lover, truthfully.
Speaker 2: And that he's been closed minded to coaching or instruction. Again,
Speaker 2: if you don't know what you're doing, and then I'm like, hey, babe,
Speaker 2: why don't you try this?
Speaker 1: And then you're like, fuck you. Listen.
Speaker 2: This is a problem that is a red flick, But
Speaker 2: seems to me no one could see these red flags.
Speaker 2: Kendall Jenner included fast forward to October nineteenth when she's
Speaker 2: with Devin Booker. Now fast forward to October nineteen, twenty nineteen,
Speaker 2: when Tim Bonteps published Ben Simmons Isn't here for your
Speaker 2: three point shooting Revolution.
Speaker 1: That was the headline, pretty much.
Speaker 2: Exactly what it sounds like, a massively detailed description about
Speaker 2: Ben and his defiance around shooting I jump shots of
Speaker 2: any kind, but like more specifically three pointers, and why
Speaker 2: Ben did not give a shit about why anyone, including
Speaker 2: the Sixers organization, thought otherwise. Then April twenty twenty, Jackie
Speaker 2: McMullen brilliantly broke down Ben Simmons.
Speaker 1: We'll call it a mental hang ups.
Speaker 2: That he struggled through dating back to his childhood, where
Speaker 2: she described that coach Brown once told Ben that he
Speaker 2: had to shoot one three a game where he could
Speaker 2: be faced being benched. And then guess what, Ben shot
Speaker 2: less threes that year than the previous year. So he
Speaker 2: wasn't open to that level of coaching. Obviously, Bet Brett
Speaker 2: Brown was fired after that. The team did, though, try
Speaker 2: to We'll call it, despite what people would say, despite
Speaker 2: what Ben would say, truthfully, concoct a roster around a
Speaker 2: point guard that doesn't shoot, which is very challenging to do.
Speaker 2: To mitigate all of those spacing issues with Ben and
Speaker 2: Embiide on the court, right, they signed out Horford when
Speaker 2: Ben bitched and moaned and whined about Jimmy Butler maybe
Speaker 2: one of the greatest leaders and competitive spirits in the league.
Speaker 2: They got rid of Jimmy and they kept Tobias a
Speaker 2: bitch ass.
Speaker 1: He got the.
Speaker 2: Extension and Buckets went to Miami Jojo Joel. Embiid wanted Jimmy.
Speaker 2: Ben wanted Tobias. Tobias stay. Jimmy went tells you all
Speaker 2: you need to know. Ben wanted an offense to the
Speaker 2: team to throw thro flow through him and not Joel Embiid.
Speaker 1: Friction abound.
Speaker 2: Then, of course, when Daryl Moury got to town, Darryl
Speaker 2: Moury wasn't having any of that bullshit. He tried to
Speaker 2: trade Ben right away, Like try to trade him, too sweet,
Speaker 2: I do not want this bitch running my team. No,
Speaker 2: I want my guy, James Harden tried to trade him
Speaker 2: for James. Then all of a sudden, now Ben knows
Speaker 2: he's not wanted. He's not special. He's not the unique
Speaker 2: unicorn that everybody wants him to be. He's not the
Speaker 2: unique unicorn really that he wants to be known as.
Speaker 2: Right that hit home and hit some We'll call it
Speaker 2: Ben Simmons mental triggers. Things weren't the same ever since then.
Speaker 2: And then, of course in last year's playoffs, when Ben
Speaker 2: tried to pretend, we'll call it he was very concerned
Speaker 2: about having COVID before Game seven, very concerned when he
Speaker 2: didn't need to be concerned, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Like he was trying to skip Game seven because he
Speaker 2: had gone three consecutive games without attempting a jump shot in.
Speaker 1: The fourth quarter or any shot of any kind.
Speaker 2: Actually, at every turn, Ben was trying to disengage from basketball.
Speaker 2: Then he took just one shot in that quarter of
Speaker 2: the last four games, like I said, And of course
Speaker 2: that one pass to matist Thibel that got him buried
Speaker 2: by Doc Rivers got him buried by Unbid where they
Speaker 2: were they were standing for Ben, and then all of
Speaker 2: a sudden that dissipated and they were like, I don't
Speaker 2: know if he's the championship caliber poyguard.
Speaker 1: I don't know for him.
Speaker 2: So then the drama goes into overdrive. He skipped the Olympics.
Speaker 2: He made it clear that point I'm not playing another
Speaker 2: fucking game for the Sixers ever. Again, Philly fans went insane, Fuck.
Speaker 1: Ben, hate him? What a bum?
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Predictions came true and the crucialist.
Speaker 2: Of moments, as they would say many dominated trade rumors,
Speaker 2: was he gonna go to Minnesota, King's Golden State. There
Speaker 2: were probably ten teams that were in the running for Ben.
Speaker 2: Daryl Moury was like, no, I don't care what these
Speaker 2: offers are. I'm fleecing someone for Ben Simmons. His value
Speaker 2: has never been higher. So Moury was like Cory suggested
Speaker 2: to the Raptors that they should trade Kyle Lowry, Fred
Speaker 2: Van fleet og Ananobi and the fourth overall pick, and
Speaker 2: that was fair. That was a fair trade, and miss
Speaker 2: Iusiery GM of the Raptors is like, you know, we
Speaker 2: kind of have a lot of guys like Ben Simmons,
Speaker 2: a lot of guys who can't shoot or six'. Ten
Speaker 2: don't know if we need another. ONE a lot of
Speaker 2: those guys can play defense. Too Then maury offered Up
Speaker 2: simmons in a package to The nuggets Involving Jamal murray
Speaker 2: and a bunch of first, rounders leading A denver executive to, say,
Speaker 2: Hey i'm not really sure if that's insulting more To
Speaker 2: jamal or to, us to be, honest, like do you
Speaker 2: think we're fucking? Stupid we all saw what, Happened we
Speaker 2: were all. There so NOW nba executives are Mocking Daryl moury,
Speaker 2: openly all, Right so then it gets.
Speaker 1: Worse team tries to package things.
Speaker 2: Up Joel embiid goes and it's, like, hey we're gonna
Speaker 2: fly out to see.
Speaker 1: You let's figure it.
Speaker 2: Out And ben's, like do not even do not even
Speaker 2: try to come, Here LIKE i do not want to
Speaker 2: see your. Face i'm not, playing LIKE i, Said i'm
Speaker 2: not playing another game in A sixers uniform LIKE i
Speaker 2: don't know what to tell, you Like i'm. Done so
Speaker 2: then he was holding out until they started finding him crazy.
Speaker 1: Money one point four million.
Speaker 2: Dollars to date he's been, fined including three hundred and
Speaker 2: sixty thousand dollars a game so unannounced out of, nowhere
Speaker 2: no no word in the ether Where ben. Was ben
Speaker 2: just shows up to the, arena just shows, up just
Speaker 2: PICKS covid, test slides in and then played on his
Speaker 2: phone the entire. Time Doc rivers ran a practice and they're, like, Hey,
Speaker 2: ben can you go off your phone maybe run a
Speaker 2: drill like this is.
Speaker 1: We're talking about, practice, Practice we talked about.
Speaker 2: Practice so then he gets kicked out of practice and
Speaker 2: just like, That Ben simmons has again fully completely hijacked
Speaker 2: all of THE nba universe and The sixer. Season nobody
Speaker 2: gets asked any questions without being asked About. Ben he's
Speaker 2: suspended for the first game of the, season and now
Speaker 2: he's told The, Sixers, Hey i'd love to play basketball for,
Speaker 2: you But i've got this like back. Injury, yeah my
Speaker 2: back really hurts.
Speaker 1: My, neck my, back my neck and my.
Speaker 2: Back multiple sources have told The Philly voice That Ben
Speaker 2: simmons has never had back tightness.
Speaker 1: Before this is a new.
Speaker 2: Currence it's never been mentioned as a problem nor treated
Speaker 2: by team staffers, ever including in the last week and a,
Speaker 2: half and, now which is where we. Are there are
Speaker 2: whispers with probably more truth than the back, injury because
Speaker 2: nobody wants to, say, Hey i'm fucked up in the,
Speaker 2: head LIKE i am struggling with things right now, EMOTIONALLY
Speaker 2: i don't THINK i can play this basketball, thing especially
Speaker 2: in the fan base that is hostile towards. Me too
Speaker 2: many sticks, now not enough carrots For Ben.
Speaker 1: Simmons it's a. Shame Uh.
Speaker 2: So sham's reported That Joel mbi directly Asked, ben, hey
Speaker 2: why do you want to, trade And simmons, responded he's
Speaker 2: not feeling mentally himself and needs time to get.
Speaker 1: Right that's probably closer to the. Truth they fucked him.
Speaker 2: Up But Daryl morey gives zero fucks about What ben
Speaker 2: wants or What ben needs or how his brain. Is
Speaker 2: he is not Trading ben until he gets what he,
Speaker 2: wants which is a hard and size. Trade And Bet Daryl,
Speaker 2: moorey in my, opinion he's, like, listen little FUCK i
Speaker 2: will destroy your career and holds you hostage UNTIL i
Speaker 2: don't get a superstar for first. Rounders you weak, minded no,
Speaker 2: skill having, overpaid entitled little, shit play some fucking games
Speaker 2: SO i can get your ass out Of. Philadelphia and
Speaker 2: that's the. Subtext What Daryl morey actually said was people
Speaker 2: should buckle. In it's gonna be a long. Time we
Speaker 2: can Trade Ben simmons for a difference. Maker we will do.
Speaker 2: It you Think i'm, Kidding i'm. Not this could take four.
Speaker 1: Years excuse?
Speaker 2: Me what huh did they say say four? Years this
Speaker 2: is not a day to day. Issue we are in
Speaker 2: the prime Of joelle's. Career, well that would make Trading
Speaker 2: ben pretty. Urgent every Day we're going to Expect ben
Speaker 2: to be back here or we trade them for a difference.
Speaker 2: Maker difference maker is, relative that is in the eye
Speaker 2: of the beholder on who is going to make a.
Speaker 2: Difference then they, Asked, daryl would you rather eliminate what
Speaker 2: people perceive to be a distraction or would you rather
Speaker 2: have better playoff.
Speaker 1: Odds darryl then, SAID i.
Speaker 2: Think that was Actually darryl just kind of like hypothesizing
Speaker 2: to the, universe and he SAID i would take the playoff.
Speaker 2: Odds whatever we need to do that helps The sixers
Speaker 2: win the, title we will do. It he is ready
Speaker 2: to make shit so, awkward and it is our so.
Speaker 2: Awkward all of this to, say If ben is actually
Speaker 2: mentally done With, philly which LIKE i get, that like
Speaker 2: you're not doing your, job but, like, honestly they're not
Speaker 2: doing their, job so you guys are both at fault,
Speaker 2: truthfully and the fan base is never gonna like him
Speaker 2: no matter what he, does let, alone like if he
Speaker 2: shoots up and, plays he's gonna get booed all night.
Speaker 2: Long they probably Hate ben more than they hate any
Speaker 2: other player that's ever been In. Philly if this is
Speaker 2: truly a mental health, issue WHICH i think it, is
Speaker 2: Because i've heard he's terrified.
Speaker 1: Of even being near the, team terrified.
Speaker 2: Like in catatonic, state what point does the league step
Speaker 2: in and Force Daryl morey to take one of these
Speaker 2: ten trades, right like you have ten, offers they're all pretty,
Speaker 2: good like they're getting his somebody. Back sacramento has a
Speaker 2: lot of. Guards we could steal a switch throo, here
Speaker 2: maybe a first or. Two because if they don't And
Speaker 2: darryl does Allow Ben simmons to just rot or collect
Speaker 2: dust in some random storage, unit which is what he's
Speaker 2: treating him like as like a dining room table you
Speaker 2: don't have room for in your fucking, apartment Like ben
Speaker 2: might actually have cause for a, lawsuit like you can't
Speaker 2: destroy my mental, health keep me, hostage not pay me
Speaker 2: my fucking, money and let me.
Speaker 1: OUT i don't want to be. Here this is a
Speaker 1: matter of mental health.
Speaker 2: Status and THE nba then at that point would probably
Speaker 2: Allow ben to still get paid or they would force a.
Speaker 2: Buyout he might have cause to sue the league as
Speaker 2: a member of the.
Speaker 1: Union and.
Speaker 2: Just like what happened To Dell dumps when he Held
Speaker 2: Anthony davis, hostage my prediction is That ben gets What
Speaker 2: ben wants And Darryl moury loses.
Speaker 1: His fucking job for thinking that he's smarter than.
Speaker 2: Everybody else and maybe never is AN nba executive.
Speaker 1: Ever, again.
Speaker 2: That is what we call this. League our next, segment
Speaker 2: THE nba seventy five year anniversary is, here and like,
Speaker 2: clockwork people are. Mad there are lists that come out
Speaker 2: when there's a, milestone and at the list, point lists
Speaker 2: are usually, wrong like because you look at the list
Speaker 2: of those who are voting on the, players they don't
Speaker 2: even know Who Tiny archibald is really, like they just
Speaker 2: put him on the list because they know he's. Important
Speaker 2: you know What i'm, Saying like everybody's grandpa's fucking pissed
Speaker 2: at this, list and then all the youngsters are pissed as.
Speaker 1: Well Bill simmons squeeted this.
Speaker 2: Out why didn't THE nba just grandfather in the fifty
Speaker 2: at fifty? List and then we have the panel vote
Speaker 2: on twenty five new players for the seventy Five why
Speaker 2: stagger the rollout of the list for three straight days
Speaker 2: when fifty guys were never?
Speaker 1: Trading this is all so.
Speaker 2: Bizarre and then you've GOT nba players just sitting around
Speaker 2: at the sewing circle shit talking about who got left
Speaker 2: off and who was on that shouldn't have been, on
Speaker 2: mostly because there were only eleven active players who made the.
Speaker 2: List Joannice, Carmelo Steph, Curry, Ad Kevin. Durant don't you
Speaker 2: Think ad benefited from That Lebron James Mickey mouse.
Speaker 1: Ring if he doesn't have a, ring does he make that? List?
Speaker 2: No Kevin, Durant James, Harden lebron of, Course Kawhi, dame, which, hey,
Speaker 2: Like dame is a great, Player But, DAME i don't.
Speaker 2: Know Chris paul And Russell, Westbrook Russell, Westbrook Russell. Westbrook
Speaker 2: let me tell, You twitter melted down as they always.
Speaker 1: Do Remember Genie buss named her.
Speaker 2: Top Five lakers of all time and then she left
Speaker 2: Off shack that was. Crazy or then last year, later
Speaker 2: doctor j made a first and second Team ALL nba
Speaker 2: of all time and Left Lebron james off.
Speaker 1: Controversy so what's FUNNY i think about this list is.
Speaker 2: Really the number of current and former players who came
Speaker 2: out of the blocks, fast and they just Like twitter, fingers,
Speaker 2: like this list is.
Speaker 1: Bullshit let's look at a few of.
Speaker 2: Them so former coach and Executive George, carl who is
Speaker 2: tremendous follow On, twitter came out firing for the Great Alex.
Speaker 1: English, huh he, said.
Speaker 2: Man of class and, dignity best player In Denver nugget's,
Speaker 2: history leading score of the, eighties not a seventy five
Speaker 2: top seventy five. Player alex is in my, book of
Speaker 2: course he. Is George carl, like all, right you like
Speaker 2: you don't Think Nikola jokics is gonna be the best
Speaker 2: player In nugget's, history like get out of. Here Richard,
Speaker 2: jefferson as a lot of people, did came out For Dwight.
Speaker 1: Howard he, Said i'll.
Speaker 2: Not discuss who should be left off the, list BUT
Speaker 2: i do want to discuss That Dwight howard has been
Speaker 2: disrespected and he should be.
Speaker 1: ON i Love Richard.
Speaker 2: Jefferson Spencer dinwid he, agreed Noting Dwight howard was. Snubbed
Speaker 2: Pat beverley went in For Tony, parker, tweeting, No Tony
Speaker 2: parker a, winner y'all Trippin' and of Course draymond was
Speaker 2: upset at the list because he wasn't on the. List,
Speaker 2: Really he, said, Yeah i'll keep building on my resume
Speaker 2: and expressed optimism he'll be top one hundred and twenty five.
Speaker 1: YEARS i, mean who cares at that?
Speaker 2: POINT i, MEAN i think that the list really matters
Speaker 2: when you're, playing like when you're young enough to enjoy these,
Speaker 2: accolades like if.
Speaker 1: You're fifty, five this list doesn't really mean much. Honestly
Speaker 1: but you know who was by far the. Angriest Clay.
Speaker 2: Thompson, yeah he gets very upset about these, things so
Speaker 2: upset that he even knows that it's an irrational level of,
Speaker 2: anger like he. Knows he tweeted out the night and
Speaker 2: the final twenty five were. Released Maybe i'm just naive
Speaker 2: in my ability to play, basketball but in my Head
Speaker 2: i'm top seventy of all. Time steph said that adds
Speaker 2: fuel To clay's. Fire and Then, clay still not being
Speaker 2: able to get this whole thing out of his, mind
Speaker 2: probably was dreaming about it all.
Speaker 1: Night he literally got.
Speaker 2: Up out of, bed rolled out of, bed got On,
Speaker 2: instagram created a, post little text on, screen just to
Speaker 2: get his feelings out through the, world and he, said
Speaker 2: woke up this morning still thinking about this stupid ass.
Speaker 1: List maybe not everybody loves winning as much as.
Speaker 2: Me and you're, like, yeah that's, True like not everybody
Speaker 2: is maniacally like dedicated to making every single fucking list
Speaker 2: from every relevant team of. Journalists, yes you're on the, List, Clay, like,
Speaker 2: truthfully you're on the real. List he's got too, Much,
Speaker 2: clay he's got too much time on his.
Speaker 1: Hands he's coming, back he's, Rehabbing he's gonna continue talking
Speaker 1: about this to. Me here are some of the players
Speaker 1: left off the.
Speaker 2: List there are three guys who have made over Six
Speaker 2: ALL nba teams and did not make the. List Paul,
Speaker 2: George tracy, McGrady Dwight. Howard those are egregious. MISSES i,
Speaker 2: mean like somebody pointed this out On twitter and they,
Speaker 2: said do you think anyone would really miss any of
Speaker 2: those milkmen from the nineteen fifties if you replace, them like,
Speaker 2: Say Dolph shase With Dwight.
Speaker 1: Howard do you think anyone would say a fucking? Peep, No,
Speaker 1: NO i.
Speaker 2: Don't even know If i'm pronouncing This Dolph shay's name, correctly,
Speaker 2: truthfully couldn't be couldn't be.
Speaker 1: Positive like sounds like. Dolphin does it sound Like? DOLPH
Speaker 1: i don't.
Speaker 2: Know and of course there were other misses, Too, Jokic Vince,
Speaker 2: carter of, Course Dennis, rodman of, Course Gary payton gets so,
Speaker 2: Disrespected Paul pierce And Tony. Parker who do you think
Speaker 2: was snubbed off The ALL nba top seventy?
Speaker 1: Five and?
Speaker 2: Why all, Right, brock let's get into some news around the.
Speaker 1: League let's start In.
Speaker 2: MIAMI i have a, question has anyone scoring five points
Speaker 2: been more impactful to their new team in one game
Speaker 2: faster Than Kyle?
Speaker 1: LOWRY i mean he's already like they.
Speaker 2: Just bleue Out, milwaukee blue them out by forty two.
Speaker 1: POINTS i Have milwaukee on the money.
Speaker 2: LINE i tell you, what that was a bet dead
Speaker 2: faster than you could see say dead like it was so.
Speaker 1: Bad the stat lion was. Bizarre lowry was one for,
Speaker 1: Eight he.
Speaker 2: Had five points six rebounds in twenty four, minutes and
Speaker 2: yet The heat won by forty. Two LIKE i said
Speaker 2: against defending champs that everybody thinks is going to be
Speaker 2: able to be the favorite to go back to the,
Speaker 2: finals and they just Dogwalked. Brooklyn so, like are The
Speaker 2: heat the king of The? East if you're, overreacting the
Speaker 2: answer is. Yes DO i need to remind you that
Speaker 2: The bucks swept The heat in the first round last.
Speaker 2: Year this was the Largest heat victory in the last
Speaker 2: twenty five. Seasons, wow biggest loss ever for The bucks
Speaker 2: by Under Mike, budenholzer second biggest in his coaching. Career
Speaker 2: and you may, Say, trista what about that huge loss
Speaker 2: to The Brooklyn nets at home where they led by
Speaker 2: fifty at one.
Speaker 1: Point, no they ended up.
Speaker 2: Losing only only by thirty nine in that, game so
Speaker 2: this was even more. Gross lowry was plus twenty two
Speaker 2: in the first quarter when The heat went up by
Speaker 2: twenty three.
Speaker 1: And never look.
Speaker 2: Back so the question is why is a guy who
Speaker 2: only had five points being so celebrated after the blowout went?
Speaker 2: Well because even Though miami has an amazing, Culture Kyle
Speaker 2: lowry is already changing the culture of The heat in
Speaker 2: a good. Way and it all started by him basically
Speaker 2: strong arming The raptors into going where the Fuck kyle
Speaker 2: wanted to go how he wanted to. Go in an
Speaker 2: interview With The New York, Times lowry noted his departure
Speaker 2: From toronto was quote unquote. Mutual we all mutually. Agreed
Speaker 2: he said that it was. Time hard to put into,
Speaker 2: words it was just time for. ME i knew With
Speaker 2: miami it was the right, situation right, timing right, place.
Speaker 1: Right people write. Everything and if you think.
Speaker 2: When he says it was mutual and it was all kombay,
Speaker 2: Ah kyle said, this it. Wasn't sometimes franchises have to
Speaker 2: do what's best for them, them which means Trade kyle
Speaker 2: for more assets. Somewhere kyle didn't want to, go, right
Speaker 2: BUT I kyle was in a position WHERE i had
Speaker 2: say AND i had a little bit OF i wouldn't say,
Speaker 2: power BUT i had a little bit Of, listen it's
Speaker 2: not gonna be a good look if we don't collaborate
Speaker 2: on this. Together what a, thug what a? Gangster that
Speaker 2: is what we call a. Threat that is what we
Speaker 2: Call Kyle lowry being, like.
Speaker 1: We can do this the easy, way or we can
Speaker 1: do this the hard.
Speaker 2: Way Maybe i'll just tell this new team that you
Speaker 2: trade me, To i'm never signing with you and they
Speaker 2: won't do the. Deal or maybe you can wait in
Speaker 2: the off season trade me To, miami which is WHERE
Speaker 2: i want to. Go this is What dame did In
Speaker 2: portland and he, said, Hey i'm gonna get.
Speaker 1: WHAT i, want Or i'm gonna go out And i'm
Speaker 1: gonna make a, stick put pound my little feet on the.
Speaker 2: FLOOR a good look at the guy who got you
Speaker 2: At chip In toronto With, kawhi which is the reason
Speaker 2: that it ended up getting you one gets squeezed out a.
Speaker 1: Legend, Literally drake and him are best. Friends it wouldn't be.
Speaker 2: A good look If trudeau is, like, hey This Kyle
Speaker 2: lowry thing is fucked up right bad. Bad back To
Speaker 2: game one of The heat, Season Kyle lowry basically Filated
Speaker 2: lowry at the, postgame SAYING i love playing With. Kyle
Speaker 2: back To game one of The heat, Season Tyler, hero,
Speaker 2: who by the way we talked, about has been not
Speaker 2: the same Since Jack.
Speaker 1: Carlow he's Been tyler, zero we'll call. Him he had
Speaker 1: an amazing Game game one and.
Speaker 2: Philated lowry as at the post, game basically saying he
Speaker 2: was responsible for his. Success he, SAYS i love playing With.
Speaker 2: Kyle my first two years in the, LEAGUE i didn't
Speaker 2: have a point.
Speaker 1: Guard that is so.
Speaker 2: Disrespectful that's no knock on my former, Teammates yes it,
Speaker 2: is but being next to him is amazing for. Me
Speaker 2: even one of the most cantankerous hard rocks in the,
Speaker 2: League Jimmy, butler is, LIKE.
Speaker 1: I get to focus on putting the ball in the
Speaker 1: basket With. KYLE i like. THAT i don't know Why
Speaker 1: i'm saying like.
Speaker 2: This With, KYLE i think playing the way that he
Speaker 2: plays it gives everybody the ability to just. Hoop But
Speaker 2: butler was not done for Lating, kyle his.
Speaker 1: Boy this is what he. Said that's my.
Speaker 4: Guy it's definitely a blessing to share the floor with.
Speaker 4: Him everybody knows how much LOVE i have for, him
Speaker 4: but more than anything of them up to my daughter
Speaker 4: birthday is tomorrow AND i want a really expensive gift
Speaker 4: one hundred thousand Plus kyle one hundred. Thousand she needs. That, yeah,
Speaker 4: DAMN i ass one hundred. Thousand, Thanks, Yes, kyle one hundred.
Speaker 4: Thousand i'm not going.
Speaker 1: Around that is an expensive ass.
Speaker 2: GIFT i, mean let's face, It jimmy does not like
Speaker 2: sharing the floor with almost. Anyone he Told Karl Anthony,
Speaker 2: towns you are soft as baby, shit and that was
Speaker 2: after he left the team with.
Speaker 1: Them he literally was was that a?
Speaker 2: Dog he literally was coming After kat for like. Months
Speaker 2: so for him to Give Kyle lowry that level of, praise.
Speaker 1: It's.
Speaker 2: Impactful he fucking Loves Kyle. Lowry it's Now Kyle lowry's.
Speaker 2: Team and this is a guy who scored five. Points
Speaker 2: this is why how he changes the culture. Overnight and
Speaker 2: this is why a team like The pelicans and The,
Speaker 2: sixers this is why teams like The pelicans another, Flub
Speaker 2: this is why teams like The pelicans and The sixers
Speaker 2: were willing to mortgage their future For.
Speaker 1: Kyle pretty.
Speaker 2: Simple SO i talked last show About Jason kidd and
Speaker 2: how he was perfectly primed to mentor Not, luca But
Speaker 2: Christas porzingis And TikTok came all over.
Speaker 1: Me they were, Like, trista remember you were Burning.
Speaker 2: Jason kidd about his Insane Christmas eve practice when he
Speaker 2: literally broke players, down causing to leave the league all.
Speaker 2: Together and he was basically an insane. Person you came
Speaker 2: after him for. That where is your change of tune coming?
Speaker 1: From to?
Speaker 2: THAT i, say people, change AND i say this mostly
Speaker 2: BECAUSE i know That Jason kidd did.
Speaker 1: Change that is exactly what he. Did and here is.
Speaker 2: Why according to a new, Article Joe varden said, This
Speaker 2: Jason kidd has changed his coaching style and there is
Speaker 2: a very specific reason.
Speaker 1: Why let's rewind When.
Speaker 2: Jason When Jason kidd was hired to coach The Dallas
Speaker 2: mavericks after we'll call it an insane amount of. Dysfunction
Speaker 2: it coincided with that New jannis. Biography the launch of
Speaker 2: the book was hijacked by some unflattering stories About Jason
Speaker 2: kitt like that insane.
Speaker 1: Practice LIKE i think there were some references to water.
Speaker 2: Parks some of that was, true some of that was not,
Speaker 2: true fat, shaming it was, Insane it was. Insane and
Speaker 2: that was at this point When jannis was, just you,
Speaker 2: know a humble kid From, greece trying to make it
Speaker 2: in the, leak trying to figure out how to get
Speaker 2: to The Bradley center running when he had no, money
Speaker 2: just catching a.
Speaker 1: Ride from some Random bucks.
Speaker 2: Fan So i'm not going to get into how he
Speaker 2: ran these brutal, practices how he made the team practice
Speaker 2: On Christmas, eve made him change. Flights BUT i did
Speaker 2: talk about what all that meant for The MAVs and
Speaker 2: How kid would have to change his coaching style if
Speaker 2: he wanted to. Succeed So kid said, THIS i am
Speaker 2: a different coach.
Speaker 1: From WHEN i was In brooklyn And.
Speaker 2: Milwaukee IF i, WASN'T i would have never gotten this.
Speaker 1: Opportunity that's a pretty blunted. Mission i'd say it is
Speaker 1: an explt.
Speaker 2: Nation why he changes that, matters he, Said i'm just
Speaker 2: understanding this is not life or.
Speaker 1: Death everything. Counts i'm understanding.
Speaker 2: That, better But i'm a lot more. Relaxed the butterflies
Speaker 2: are not as. Big it's about having fun and communicating
Speaker 2: with the guys about what they really want to.
Speaker 1: Achieve it's almost like there's more than basketball out.
Speaker 2: There it's almost like winning a ring is not nearly
Speaker 2: as important AS i don't know a player's mental.
Speaker 1: Health don't run guys into the.
Speaker 2: Ground Jason, kidd where did he come by this new
Speaker 2: found sense Of Zenbrock.
Speaker 1: Frank. VOGEL i, mean that is a. Shocker that is
Speaker 1: WHAT i did not.
Speaker 2: Expect, truthfully turns out the main reason That Jason kidd
Speaker 2: took The lakers. Job, remember there was a lot of
Speaker 2: people who thought That Jason kidd was trying to Push
Speaker 2: Frank vogel.
Speaker 1: Out he was just there And Frank vogel.
Speaker 2: Was like a, figurehead and Then Jason kidd was gonna
Speaker 2: snake his way into the front office or into the
Speaker 2: head coaching. Spot but, no it was to do something
Speaker 2: he had never done learn on the job as an.
Speaker 2: Assistant it's almost like that's an important. Thing Steve, nash
Speaker 2: despite that's a ricochet, Shot i'm. Sorry despite people claiming
Speaker 2: he'd Torpedo vogel in his two, years he never once did,
Speaker 2: that and he was rewarded BY i don't, know a
Speaker 2: championship in the, bubble and Then vogel And kid became.
Speaker 2: Tight and now that he's In, dallas apparently him And
Speaker 2: luca are like.
Speaker 1: Besties he said, This me And luca are dating right.
Speaker 2: Now as a joke, obviously but as all, relationships you
Speaker 2: got to get a lot of ws for it to work.
Speaker 1: Right things are all fun and.
Speaker 2: Games when there is no games that you've played, yet
Speaker 2: it's all, hope it's all. Aspirations you start losing like
Speaker 2: you did against The hawks on opening night by twenty,
Speaker 2: six and that means you might have to do some.
Speaker 2: Tweaking that means we're gonna have to see keep our
Speaker 2: eye on things when things aren't going, right because.
Speaker 1: The maps have high.
Speaker 2: Hopes AND i tell you, What luca wants to win
Speaker 2: as much as. ANYBODY i think it is life and
Speaker 2: death To. Luca did you See Steph? Curry he put
Speaker 2: on a show last, night followed up one of his
Speaker 2: worst shooting performances five for twenty one in an opening
Speaker 2: night victory over The lakers with one of his. Best
Speaker 2: scored twenty five points in the first quarter along the
Speaker 2: way to a forty five point. Night he made his
Speaker 2: first nine, shots ended up eight for thirteen from three.
Speaker 1: SSH i mean we should have expected that kind of.
Speaker 2: Night like That's, Steph like any Bad steph performance always
Speaker 2: comes with a Good steph. Performance Even, dre who sees
Speaker 2: a ton Of, steph said in the, Postgame steph didn't
Speaker 2: miss a shot today in shoot, around so we knew
Speaker 2: it was. Coming but he could have missed every shot
Speaker 2: in the shoot around AND i still would have known
Speaker 2: it was, coming he. Said so With golden stayed out
Speaker 2: to a two and oh, start the world is Like.
Speaker 2: Trista you are an idiot Calling Golden state frauds and
Speaker 2: saying they would not make the, playoffs saying that they
Speaker 2: had struggle and issues with their depth and their young
Speaker 2: guys couldn't do.
Speaker 1: Anything do you see what they're getting from their young?
Speaker 2: Guys and to, THAT i, say you are not watching the.
Speaker 2: GAME i will not recant my. STATEMENT i am even
Speaker 2: more firmly committed to this. Stance here's. Why the game
Speaker 2: against The clippers showed exactly why this year is so
Speaker 2: tenuous for The. Warriors despite a historic game For steph
Speaker 2: where the entire team went twenty six for thirty from the,
Speaker 2: field ten for seventeen from, three with just under five
Speaker 2: minutes left in the, half they were. Down.
Speaker 1: Warriors you, down, down, down down, Down how is that?
Speaker 2: Possible not only can this team not Defend they cannot
Speaker 2: find a consistent number.
Speaker 1: TWO i hate to say, it it's. True Jordan, poole who.
Speaker 2: Was supposed to be their, savior was four for, fourteen
Speaker 2: one for six from three including back to back. Airballs
Speaker 2: beelichia had, Eight, Otto porter Non factor had, Four Jan
Speaker 2: Toscano anderson only had. Three wiggins had AN ok night at,
Speaker 2: seventeen like they have no one else But steph be
Speaker 2: very very, clear they ended up down. One CANNOT i
Speaker 2: cannot express how fucked up this. Is you are going
Speaker 2: to have to See steph BE mvp staff every night
Speaker 2: for them to be.
Speaker 1: Competitive they had almost no answers from The clippers small ball.
Speaker 2: Lineup most people, don't and it showed that glaring weakness
Speaker 2: in this. Team they can't defend their benches old and
Speaker 2: young like too many old, guys too many two young,
Speaker 2: guys full of league minimum, guys and none of them
Speaker 2: can really be counted. On Andrew wiggins. Included and that's
Speaker 2: not even talking About Andrew wiggins in the, playoffs and
Speaker 2: he is gone, awful which means this is now the,
Speaker 2: dude do do do Do Steph curry Circus, right it's
Speaker 2: him and only. Him he's gonna have to Be superman
Speaker 2: And batman And Iron Man Spider man pretty much every single.
Speaker 2: Night and if this team wants to get to fifty,
Speaker 2: wins he's gonna have to have one of his best
Speaker 2: nights of his career every single.
Speaker 1: Night and we Know Steve kerr doesn't like to Play
Speaker 1: steph a lot of.
Speaker 2: Minutes he likes to limit him to thirty five to thirty,
Speaker 2: seven and that Means steph's gonna have.
Speaker 1: To do it faster all the.
Speaker 2: Time all of this to, SAY i think these two
Speaker 2: games actually prove To Bob myers in the front office
Speaker 2: they need to make a. Move Steph curry is going
Speaker 2: to do everything he has and his power to, win
Speaker 2: and they need to make that move now Before steph
Speaker 2: gets run into the, ground or Before steph gets, disgruntled
Speaker 2: or before other players Like draymond who just injured his,
Speaker 2: wrist Or Andre gudala who just injured himself as.
Speaker 1: Well and then who.
Speaker 2: Knows, right they're one role player injury away from.
Speaker 1: Disaster so who should they trade? For Maybe Ben. Simmons,
Speaker 1: yes incredible.
Speaker 2: That we start this show and end this show with
Speaker 2: mister balloon, Hand but here we.
Speaker 1: Are Trade.
Speaker 2: DRAYMOND i know that's his tough. Stretch maybe put them
Speaker 2: on the. Bench they can't play. Together it's Like Russell
Speaker 2: westbrook And. LEBRON i don't know what they're gonna do With.
Speaker 2: DRAYMOND i don't think they can share the floor. Together
Speaker 2: BUT i tell you, What ben would help this. TEAM
Speaker 2: i could see trading For Ben simmons kind of like
Speaker 2: how trading For Paul george was for The. Clippers Like
Speaker 2: clippers overpaid because the situation called for. It AND i
Speaker 2: think The warriors are in a similar. Situation they need
Speaker 2: to get, someone and they need to get.
Speaker 1: Them, now that's all the time that we have for
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