1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:12,239 Speaker 1: M from grandmothers who whispered in their baby girl in 2 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:16,920 Speaker 1: two fathers on dimly lit street corners, instructing young soldiers 3 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:20,959 Speaker 1: to always keep their eyes open. You be queen, you 4 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 1: were fired. You will pass through centuries on the hands 5 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: of your daughters. They called you wisdom. Proverbs on the 6 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: backs of diamond eyed school children who growing into hymnals 7 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 1: recited by amethyst holding urban philosophers who recited neighborhood commandments 8 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: out of the windows of restored alchimedo chariots. To keep 9 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: the warmth of their blood. Be wise, be smart, being black, 10 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: Opal Brown courts bloodstone and prayer. Be every form of 11 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: jim se King told, scribe, scribe, told son, son, told wife, 12 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: wife told her daughter, and daughter told the as this is. 13 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: And the ancestors told me that you would come to 14 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: give wisdom. Thousands. They said you would come dropping Dropping 15 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: the Gym. Hey, welcome back the Dropping Gem's podcast. I'm 16 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: Debbie Brown. This is my show. This is a safe 17 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: space and a sacred container where I love to explore 18 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: higher consciousness but for real life, and I like to 19 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: make it as applicable as possible to your day to 20 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: day life and use um but also for many of 21 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 1: the things that interests me. So this is a show 22 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:39,759 Speaker 1: for those that enjoy the logical, irrational, the esoteric, the ethereal, 23 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: and also for those that are ready to do some 24 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: of the deeper work. So thank you for your bravery, 25 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: thank you for your courage, thank you for your ears, 26 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: thank you for your listening, and thank you for your 27 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: time and being with me on this show. I want 28 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: to say a big thank you to everybody that has 29 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: reached out. Which should be a happy birthday. I celebrated 30 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: my birthday recently and it was so beautiful I think 31 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: I actually need to do a whole show about it. 32 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 1: I decided to turn my birthday into a healing retreat 33 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: in my backyard, and um, you know, my birthday kind 34 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 1: of coincided along with Los Angeles opening back up, and 35 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: I know a lot of the world opening back up, 36 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: and I think so many of us are really trying 37 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 1: to figure out how do I want to occupy space? 38 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: What do I want to do in this new normal 39 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: now that we've all kind of been given the freedom 40 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: and some of the opportunity to perhaps restructure our lives 41 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 1: and restructure our friend groups and restructure how much we 42 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,239 Speaker 1: want to give of ourselves. So I had a really 43 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: beautiful evening. Um Actually, now, on the second thought, I 44 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: think it will definitely turn this into an entire episode, 45 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: so stay tuned for that. But one of the one 46 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: of the beautiful people that was at my party is 47 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:02,239 Speaker 1: actually my guest today, so I'm gonna get into that 48 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: in justice second. First, because I always forget to do 49 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 1: this and I don't know why I don't talk about 50 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 1: this more, but I wanted to make sure that for 51 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: those that are interested in meditating with me, I lead 52 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:19,959 Speaker 1: meditations Monday through Friday on the Choper app, so you 53 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:22,519 Speaker 1: can join me there. It's in the iOS store. I 54 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: think we'll be live on android phones very soon, like 55 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: very very soon. But all you do is search Chopra 56 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 1: c h O p R A and it's such a 57 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: gorgeous app. It of course is based on the life's 58 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: practice of Deepak Chopra and it's by Choper Global and 59 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: um On. There you can find meditations from Deepak and 60 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: you can find the beautiful new twenty one day meditation 61 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: series we launched at the company with Deepak and Alicia Keys, 62 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: which is so incredible, and then you can get daily 63 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: meditation with me and the daily meditations that I lead 64 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: really run the game. It from all kinds of healing 65 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: work that we can do, building spiritual confidence, unlocking your heist, 66 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: purpose and vision for your life. Um also just relaxing, 67 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: and there's also meditations for anxiety and for sleep. There's 68 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 1: meditations for children that I've done on there. So if 69 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 1: any of that sounds yummy and feels like it resonates, 70 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: then download app show Rapp and you can find me 71 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 1: on their real easy. Okay, today's show, let's do it. 72 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: I am so excited to share this utterly epic human 73 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 1: being with you. Saw is one of the most phenomenal 74 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: friendships that I have made in the pandemic, and I'm 75 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: never letting him go. So Sadi Simone is the guest today. 76 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: I know there are so many listening that absolutely adore 77 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 1: his incredible, powerful work. And the really fun and beautiful 78 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 1: way is that he shares all of his depth on 79 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 1: his Instagram, on his tiktop, on a TikTok, within his 80 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: community spiritually Sassy, or through his books. Sadi Simone is 81 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: a spiritual guide, a meditation teacher, and international transformational speaker, 82 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 1: A best selling author and creator of This Saw method 83 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: who has dedicated his life to helping others to live 84 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 1: in alignment and achieve their highest potential. He is pioneering 85 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: a spiritually, sassy, heart based healing movement rooted in science backed, 86 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 1: tried and true techniques, and which joy and authenticity illuminate 87 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: the path to enlightenment. His infectious enthusiasm for healing is 88 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: grounded in a masterful and revolutionary synthesis of ancient Tantrik Buddhism, 89 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: modern contemplative psychotherapy, meditation, breath work, and integrative nutrition, all 90 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: delivered in his own radiant, approachable and playful style. His 91 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,799 Speaker 1: teachings have helped enriched the lives of millions of people 92 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: and inspire a new generation of change bankers. Deepak Chopra 93 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: has called Saw a radical spiritual guide in ninety and 94 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 1: connections among his generation. Saw has worked with Google, MoMA, 95 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: habbas Una Seth, and American Express, among others, and it's 96 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 1: a tech speaker. He's been featured on BuzzFeed, Vice, USA, Today, 97 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: We're Friending twenty nine, just to name a few. In 98 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: his first book, Five Minute Daily Meditations, was called a 99 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 1: year and personal retreat of daily meditations by Sharon Salzburg 100 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: and His second book, Spiritually Sassy, Eight Radical Steps to 101 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: Activate You're in eight Superpowers, is out now. Check out 102 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: his membership platform Spiritually Sassy School will dive into this 103 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: in a bit, and his top rated podcast, The Spiritually 104 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 1: Sassy Show, and finds on Instagram and TikTok at Saudi Simone, 105 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: here's my dear friend, one of my favorite humans that 106 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 1: has ever lived. Welcome to the show, saw Welcome to 107 00:06:56,279 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 1: the show. One of my favorite favorite human beings that 108 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: have ever existed in this lifetime, favorite souls that has 109 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:11,679 Speaker 1: ever existed in all the realms, My dear friend, Sadi Simone. 110 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: Oh ship, Hi, my queen, my diary. I'm so honored 111 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: to be here. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank 112 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: God for you. And the feeling is mutual. Thank you. 113 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: I love you, I love you, and I want to 114 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 1: start the show there. I love you. I think you 115 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: are such a powerful spiritual teacher and just such a 116 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: kind soul um. And I think a piece of you 117 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: like you are so powerful in so many ways. And 118 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: I think the way that you share yourself with your audiences, 119 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: you like in your full power, which gives this humongous, 120 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: gorgeous permission to anyone that connects with your work to 121 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: dive deeper and to really see themselves. And something I 122 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: love is that you are that power. But you also 123 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: have like such a tenderness and thoughtfulness about you, like 124 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: you are so deeply connected. Um, I think to the 125 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: people in your lives in a way that feels really special. 126 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: So I just want to start with that is so sweet. 127 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: Thank you, babe, thank you, thank you, thank you. Uh. 128 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 1: Years in the making, you know, years in the making. 129 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: It wasn't always um. Someone said to me, sigh, you 130 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: are are so effortless. But my response to that, it's taken. 131 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: It's taken a lot of effort to be effortless, you know, 132 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: and just remembering that that it does take a like 133 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 1: being present is effortless when we are present, right, but 134 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: when we are so um, discombabulated, untrained, scattered, crunchy, wobbly, 135 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,719 Speaker 1: it takes a lot of effort to become present. And like, 136 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 1: all that's good that I have to offer, all that's 137 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: wise that I have to offer, all that's benevolent, uh, 138 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: and beneficially that I have to offer only comes from 139 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 1: like deep presence, you know. So it does take a 140 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:25,439 Speaker 1: lot of effort, you know, getting up in the morning, 141 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: cuddling with the boyfriend for a minute, and then sitting 142 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: down to meditate, doing the breath during the prayers, and 143 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:35,839 Speaker 1: then getting the fitness on, drinking water, doing all the 144 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:37,959 Speaker 1: things to be able to show up, you know, with 145 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: deep presence, like with the mind that's relaxed, with the 146 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: body that's energized, with the heart that's open um. So 147 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: thank you for that reflection that the work is working. 148 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:56,079 Speaker 1: You know I do the work is working. So I 149 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,319 Speaker 1: like to start all my shows with kind of talking 150 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 1: about how I found myself connected to such glorious spirits. 151 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,199 Speaker 1: And I love our story because we kind of came 152 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:07,959 Speaker 1: together um a little bit in the Chopper universe, like 153 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: both kind of you have spoken so gorgeously on Chopper 154 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: stages at retreats. We were both at the top of 155 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 1: the pandemic kind of sharing um our hearts with the 156 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:23,719 Speaker 1: audiences on like lives on Chopra. And one day, like 157 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: I had been seeing you and I had just been 158 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:29,319 Speaker 1: like loving loving you from Afar, and then we were 159 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: on a zoom call together where it was keep going 160 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: and we were like all on these zoom screens and 161 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: I was staring at you and you were staring at me, 162 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: and then you sent me like a little chat in 163 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: the screen and I just like started dying. What did 164 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: you say when you chatted me? I say, oh my god, 165 00:10:57,720 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: you're like I'm melting looking at you. Were giving like 166 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: icon vibes something like that, and I was like, you 167 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: dropped that gorgeous and and in that very moment, We're like, honey, 168 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: I was just thinking the same like I was thinking 169 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: literally the same thing watching you right now. And then 170 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: after that it was a wrap like it turned immediately 171 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:23,199 Speaker 1: into an iconic um afternoons spent in Venice and many many, many, 172 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: many many more moments like that. Um. So it's been 173 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: such a joy. But that's something I love about us 174 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,839 Speaker 1: because I think that we are able to be the 175 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:32,839 Speaker 1: fullness of who we are in front of people and 176 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: greet each other with that much enthusiasm. Um. And that's 177 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: something that that I think is a really beautiful gift 178 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: about deep, authentic friendships. Yeah, Babe, I gotta say, Honey, 179 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 1: I've been quietly watching you and just obsessing over like 180 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: if I liked women, I like the seed, Honey. I 181 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 1: want you to be like the mother of my children. Honey. 182 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: It's brave for me to come back. I guess your 183 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: next lifetime. It's like that you are, I mean, and 184 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: the love is shared when I when I talk talk 185 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,439 Speaker 1: about you too, like my mother and my family, everyone's like, yeah, 186 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:16,359 Speaker 1: Debby Brown is the fucking ship. She's the monic legendary. 187 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: And that one time when I was at your house 188 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: and I faced time my mom. Yes, yeah, then you 189 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: guys and your mom got to request my son. Yeah. 190 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:29,719 Speaker 1: I mean you you baby, You're it. You know you're it, 191 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: and I mean it every every with every every, every 192 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: part of it. It's like you to be able to 193 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: be a mother, a teacher, a guide and and still 194 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,079 Speaker 1: show up with so much you know, brightness and and 195 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: and ease and we laugh so much, you know, and 196 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: I'm a good honey, like yes, yeah, thank you, thank 197 00:12:59,920 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: you know. Earlier this year, um, you released your second book, 198 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: Spiritually Sassy, Eight Radical Steps to Activate your Innate Superpowers. 199 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,599 Speaker 1: And I love like you're you're very much at the 200 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: forefront of this new spiritual world that's really being unearthed 201 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: and and coming in a way that is truly democratized 202 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: and available to all. And I really want to speak 203 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: to you know something that I really connect within your work. 204 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 1: And I had a chance to be on your incredible podcast, 205 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:34,079 Speaker 1: The Spiritually Sassy Show, and I still get d m 206 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: s about that every day. Um. But you know something 207 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: we talked to on that is you're such an incredible blend. 208 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,839 Speaker 1: I think of deep ancient knowledge, like you have a 209 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: very specific path that you've walked in honor to your lineage, 210 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:54,199 Speaker 1: the Buddhist lineage, and I think, but you're also so 211 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: radically present moment connected to now in the deep understanding 212 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: of really the complex layers of humanity. I think we're 213 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: just stepping into that moment within this spiritual world. You know, 214 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: spirituality is on trend. It has come to the forefront um. 215 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: For many of us, it's what literally saved our lives. 216 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: And then I think for others it is this kind 217 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: of um fun dabbling. Maybe you know, spirituality is really 218 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: having its moment in the sun. And I think it 219 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: gets a little dangerous in that way, because I do 220 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: think a lot of people are reading one book and 221 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: then saying I'm a teacher or I'm a spiritual teacher. 222 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: And and I'm not taking away from the fact that 223 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: they may be on the path, but like the deep 224 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: spiritual work isn't about the marketable offerings, right, It isn't 225 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: about um self grandizing, and I think that's something that 226 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: we all on this path kind of struggle with. It's like, yeah, 227 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: I know I need to position myself in a way 228 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: that people can get this transformative work. But I also 229 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: don't love the performance aspect of it or the instagrammable 230 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: way it's done. UM. But I think that the space 231 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: that you occupy, I really think you're the intersection of 232 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: these two worlds meeting. And so it's been really incredible 233 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: to watch. I think we occupy a very interesting space, 234 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: especially as we are both really rooted in lineage UM 235 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: and not just in positivity or in like let's feel better. 236 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: It's like, okay, well let's get let's get to the 237 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: deep fibers of God. You know, I think that's kind 238 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: of how we create a recipe to experience that UM. 239 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: And so so I think I'm getting around to say, UM, 240 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: you know, I just want to know how are you 241 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: in this moment experiencing your personal relationship with your spiritual journey. UM. 242 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: I do think that that's something that always even volves 243 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: for us on this path as we let go and 244 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: take on and also I'm really curious, how are you 245 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: experiencing this current movement of spirituality as someone who is 246 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: definitely connecting powerfully to gen Z and millennial millennial audiences, 247 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: but someone that is also like ancient. I love this. 248 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: And you know, there's a story about about the Buddha 249 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: that there's a story that I want to share that 250 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: there was a woman, um a young woman, washing clothes 251 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: on a rooftop and he was giving one of his 252 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: first uh sermons. You know, he's giving one of his 253 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: first teachings and the woman had never practiced, had no 254 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: spiritual context in this lifetime that she was aware of. 255 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: She heard the words, she heard a few words, and 256 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: the very moment she unlocked everything that was locked inside 257 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: of her. She became free and completely liberated with just 258 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: a few words. So I do believe. And the reason 259 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: why I'm talented stories because going back to the thing 260 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: where where it is very harmful and very very profoundly dangerous, 261 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: because spirituality is cool now and it is trendy, and 262 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: it is the the sexy hot new topic like breaking 263 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: generational curses is that hot things? Yo? God, you know 264 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like, there's really do you know 265 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: what that takes. So we're looking at something. The reason 266 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: why I tell that stories because you know, my prayer 267 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 1: and my wishes that perhaps the people can read one book, 268 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:38,919 Speaker 1: and they can go to one meditation retreat, and they 269 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 1: could sit one time. And my prayer is that there's 270 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: their their conditions, the cosmic condition are so are so 271 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:48,880 Speaker 1: ready that it ripes into complete liberation. They could read 272 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,360 Speaker 1: one book, they could sit for one meditation, they could 273 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 1: listen to one teaching and all of a sudden, is 274 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 1: all of it just unlocked completely. So I'm having for 275 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 1: but it just I'm saying this, so I hope that 276 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: that's the case, right, that their karma is their karma 277 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: is so right that it would just takes one time 278 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:10,919 Speaker 1: for full full unlocking. It hasn't been the case for me, right, 279 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: I had to go through so much ship to be 280 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: you know, so far from enlightened and have a degree 281 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 1: of wisdom that I can educate and inspire other people. Right, um, 282 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 1: And and it's also important to say that I never 283 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 1: planned of being a spiritual teacher. It was it was 284 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: kind of the thing where I went into spirituality. And 285 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 1: you and I shared about this a lot before and 286 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: you've talked spoke about this earlier on. It's we enter 287 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 1: into spirituality either out of privilege, because we have all 288 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: of our basic needs are taking care of, so we 289 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 1: have the money, we have the house, we have, all 290 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 1: the things are working. And then it's like what else 291 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: is there? And then you start to be curious about 292 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: the matters of the heart. You start to be curious 293 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: about the unseen world. You start to be curious about 294 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: about the gods and goddess, angelic beings. Thetis Darren protectors 295 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 1: that because that keens all the Buddhies. Start to be 296 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 1: curious about the things that you know. You can't see 297 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: what the eyes in your face, but you experience them. 298 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: So privilege opens with dark for that. And now there's 299 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: a whole other side of it which is out of despair, 300 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 1: out of desperation, which which was my case, um, in 301 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: your case too, we were we were in this position 302 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: in our lives that we're desperate, uh, feeling completely inadequate, deficient, broken. 303 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 1: The The overarching thing for me was just feeling like 304 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 1: I was an innately bad person and having that shame 305 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: monster kind of like guiding orient in my mind, my 306 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 1: words and my actions. Um, it was very heavy. So 307 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: the the sense that I was innately a bad person, 308 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: then you ended up creating the self fulfilling prophecy for 309 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: yourself that you are then you know, creating every single 310 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: potential circumstances to validate that feeling that you are innately bad. 311 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 1: So then you're it becomes it becomes a psycho of misery. Right, 312 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: So going going back, I mean, you've said so many 313 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 1: different things that I just want to sort of like 314 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: unpack a little bit. So I think, um, I think, um, 315 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 1: when when? And then to go back to like another 316 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 1: point that you said, like where am I at with 317 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 1: like my spiritual currently my relationship to my spiritual practice, 318 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:24,640 Speaker 1: And um, I go through phases when I become staggering 319 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: into my practice right where like I the routine of 320 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: the spiritual work, I enter to what we call like 321 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: sacred boredom, and then I'm like, okay, sacred boardoms here, 322 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: all right, And then I aggate back for a little while. 323 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: You know, I navigate sacred boarding for a little because 324 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: what happens is when you read your life, when you 325 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 1: eradicate your life, when you delete all the knots that 326 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 1: are perpetuating toxicity perpetuating gossiping, perpetuating lives, perpetuating um harm. 327 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 1: You know, when you when you do a great job 328 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,919 Speaker 1: at weeding the garden of your of your mind, therefore 329 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: the garden of your entire our life, of all the 330 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: things that perpetuate harm um, you reach a point. And 331 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: there's many layers of this, right, so I'm speaking like 332 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: into a degree that I've experienced. You reach a point 333 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: of sacred boredom. And then you and then you ask 334 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: the teacher or the guru in my case, for more 335 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: instructions so you can go deeper, so you can actually 336 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,479 Speaker 1: taste the nectar of the sacred boardom, so you can 337 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,640 Speaker 1: actually learn something from that space. And then you open 338 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 1: to a whole other level of of all the other 339 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: ways that you're creating harm for yourself, and you're creating 340 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 1: harm into the world unintentionally, right we we we we 341 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: like to think, uh with Buddhist psychology that we're not 342 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: uh intentionally causing harm. That it's based on this like amnesia, 343 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 1: this like forgetfulness that we um that we're that we 344 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: forgot who we are, We forgot you know, forgetting who 345 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: who the truth of who we are, and forgetting how 346 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: to relate to the world causes so much suffering, right, 347 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: So I just wanted to sort of go around and 348 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: kind of paint a picture about you know, are Matt. 349 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: So I did get staggered, and I did reach a 350 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 1: point of the sacred BOARDOM and then I got a 351 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 1: new set of instructures and I'm on it now. It 352 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 1: will take me six years to complete these new set 353 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: of instructions. Um, just continue to deepen, continue to deepen, 354 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: and continue to to you know, and these practices, what 355 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 1: they're doing is they're they're just showing you your mind. 356 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 1: They're showing you the blind spots. They're helping you to 357 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:26,880 Speaker 1: like get to know the parts of you that you're 358 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: still closed off, the parts of you that you're not 359 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: willing to look at. Um. So that's that's kind of it. 360 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 1: Does that make sense? I mean does it? Yeah? It 361 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 1: makes beautiful sense. I want it somewhere. I want to 362 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: sit with you, saw and I think I know it's 363 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: so resonant for me, and I know it's so resonant 364 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 1: for people listening. Um. You know, when we talked about 365 00:22:53,680 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 1: that initial entry point to spirituality, that feeling of what 366 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 1: I've experienced as a profound against nous of self that 367 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 1: you don't even know how to begin to dissolve and unravel. 368 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: You know, I think that feeling. I would just like 369 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: to talk about how it felt potentially for you, for 370 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 1: us to even get to the point where we were 371 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: willing to dive into that shadow self. But then also 372 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 1: I think the part that's not spoken to enough. Is 373 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 1: it really hard? Hell? Yes? But what makes it simpler 374 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: is that pretty soon you start to find this common thread, 375 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 1: this common theme that can either be one the karmic 376 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 1: patterning that you're meant to see and understand so you 377 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 1: know what your mission on Earth is so that you 378 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: can begin to transcend it, or two to just notice 379 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: how often you lie to yourself about yourself and don't 380 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 1: know where those lies started. And I think you know 381 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 1: what what keeps so many from this path is the 382 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 1: level of the judgment for self and the fear of 383 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: people finding out blank supersedes the desire to feel better, 384 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: because if you've never felt it, you don't really even 385 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: fully believe that it's possible or what that feeling could be, Like, 386 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is so good. Can I jump 387 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: in please? I created a piece of content um that 388 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: I just said, no one's coming to punish you. No 389 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: one is coming to punish you. And I just repeated 390 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 1: that over and over and over and over again. And 391 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,400 Speaker 1: the RiPP boy fact that he had was was wild. 392 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 1: And I think because this the sense, this feeling that 393 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,439 Speaker 1: we are inadequate, that we're broken, that we are innately 394 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 1: bad and undeserving, unloving. We have the sense of someone's 395 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: coming to find out this this secret about us, this 396 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: this deficiency about us, and they're here to out us 397 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,400 Speaker 1: and show the world look at this person. They're so deficient, 398 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 1: they're so bad, they're so inadequate, they're so unloving. But 399 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 1: the truth is we are the ones that are in 400 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 1: this constant, perpetual, you know, state of self punishment. You know, 401 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: one of the first times that the Lai Lemma came 402 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: to the United States to speak, he says, you guys 403 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,120 Speaker 1: have uh and not every every time I speak about 404 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: my teachers, and every time I share a story on 405 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 1: the podcast anywhere, you're always gonna hear through assassi filter. Right, 406 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 1: So are always gonna be paraphrasing in a way that 407 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: I that I I can understand the way that my 408 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: audience and my students can understand, Right, so that I 409 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,400 Speaker 1: love us Like, yo, you guys hate yourself so much 410 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: here in the West. What's up with the self hatred? 411 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,880 Speaker 1: Because in the in the East and in that part 412 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 1: of the world, Um, they're they're mental poisons show up 413 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: in different ways, right, we do share the same you know, 414 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: mental poisons all all sent to all human beings, um, 415 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 1: But for us in the West, shows up with this 416 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: like sense of like complete, this desperate need to punish ourselves. 417 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: And one thing that liberated me was understanding the true 418 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: meaning of the word forgiveness, just to release the desire 419 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 1: to punish. So if you're saying I forgive myself, you're 420 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 1: saying I release the desire to punish myself. And at 421 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 1: that point you didn't thinking that someone's gonna come to 422 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: punish you, you know. And then it goes to the 423 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 1: next degree. That's that that that another piece of content 424 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 1: that I created. It was like, there's nothing wrong with you. 425 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: There is nothing wrong with you. There is nothing wrong 426 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,239 Speaker 1: with you. And I'm not speaking to your circumstances. I'm 427 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 1: not speaking to your condition. Yes, there's a lot wrong, 428 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: there's a lot that's potentially wrong there. But the problem 429 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: is that we feel that there's something innately wrong with 430 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 1: us at a core level, and that is just the lie. 431 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: That is just a faulty lie that's been permeated in 432 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: to the collective, and we have believed. And when we 433 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: believe that there's something innately wrong with us at the 434 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,959 Speaker 1: core of our being, then that breeds shame and hate 435 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: and harm and this function and this harmony UM, and 436 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 1: then we create more of that for ourselves. Right. So 437 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 1: the the initial the the initial jump into the path 438 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 1: is looking at that. It's looking at how do we 439 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: relate to ourselves? Is looking at like, who do I 440 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 1: think I am at the core of my being? Have 441 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: I recognized my basic goodness? Have I touched basic goodness? 442 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 1: Have I experienced the basic goodness at the base of 443 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: my being? And unless you have glimpse at that, then 444 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: you're never capital in. And I have to say, you 445 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: will never see the benevolence of the goodness out of 446 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: the world, and you're never going to see the benevolencent 447 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 1: goodness in anyone else. That's just how it is. Period. 448 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 1: We can do a great job about pretending um, but 449 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 1: at the point that pretending culture of good vibes only 450 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 1: a positive only of like this is a pretending, a 451 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: culture of pretending. It's not a it's not a culture 452 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 1: of enlightenment, you know, which is what we're what we're 453 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 1: We're here trying to get people to restand. Yes, your 454 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,399 Speaker 1: circumstances are sucked up. Yes, your your conditioning is is 455 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: struggling and so traumatic, and yes you've lived a life 456 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 1: of so much pain and harm. But none of that 457 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,479 Speaker 1: has has has changed the essence of who you are. 458 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 1: None of that has touched the core of we are, 459 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 1: none of it. And we also have to remember that 460 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: like a dark cloud can't hurt the sky. And once 461 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: we once we recognize that, that's then we have this 462 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: spacious awareness. Then we have the the openness two glimpse 463 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: of how vast our inner world is and how powerful 464 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 1: what we call in the in the literatures our buddh 465 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: and nature is, you know, our true our true nature 466 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: is how how how miraculous and untouched it is, it's unfazed. 467 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: And our work is to you know, two, the layer, 468 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: you know, to peel away the layers of conditioning, and 469 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,479 Speaker 1: then to uncover more of that. And the seed is there, right, 470 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: the seed is never is never torn. But it is 471 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 1: our job to develop it. You know, it is our 472 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: job to take care of our inner worlds, like we 473 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: have to become master botanists, you know, we have to 474 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: become master gardeners of our inner world, Like we have 475 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: to every single day go into the garden of our 476 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 1: mind and weed out seeds of suffering, seeds of despair, 477 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 1: seeds of depression, seeds of anxiety, seeds of addiction. And 478 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: what are the seeds of love, compassion, wisdom and joy? 479 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: Um I spoke about this today. Actually, you can't meditate 480 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: once a week and expect things to change. You can't 481 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: eat one health in me and expect things to change. 482 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 1: You can't exercise once once in a whine and expect 483 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 1: things to change. Like but you do a great job 484 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 1: at brushing your teeth every day, in your hair every day, 485 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 1: putting on a whole look every day, giving a full 486 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: face to the outside world. But you're you're allowing only 487 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: what you see, you know, eyes with eyes in your 488 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: face to dictate the quality of your life. But you're 489 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 1: your your your misinterpreting, and you're forgetting that what you 490 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: can't see, what the eyes in your face, you're inner 491 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 1: world really is what dictates the quality of your life period. 492 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: So there's a lot, there's a lot there that we 493 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 1: could that we could talk about. But I think understanding 494 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: how to relate to our basic goodness is very vital. 495 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 1: And I see so much in the world of Instagram well, 496 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: and it's instag in spirutuality, people saying this person's toxic. 497 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: Have these boundaries protect yourself, and these people are this 498 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 1: thing and those people are that thing. It's like, this 499 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 1: is this limited approach, you know, it's it's keeping us separate, 500 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: it's keeping us in dualism, it's keeping us in this 501 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: binary approach. It's keeping us um in every patch of 502 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: state of pain. You know, like that does that make sense? Yes? 503 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 1: Are you really asking that that make sense? You know? 504 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: I'm so I've just been I've just been so trained 505 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 1: with my teachers to always ask every every time you 506 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 1: feel like you finished something, to always say, are recommunicating? 507 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Are real landing? Are re arriving somewhere? 508 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 1: Because there's so much and I see so often, So 509 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: it's it's part partially me asking that. It's just my 510 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 1: conditioning um, because when we're speaking in large audiences and 511 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: we ask people what is meditation? Oh, it's it's I 512 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: meditate what I'm painting. Okay, so you've never meditated before? Then? 513 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: Oh what is compassion? Oh, it's it's it's that you know, 514 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: it's that love that I have for my children. Oh 515 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 1: so you have never experienced compassion. So it's the reason 516 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 1: why I'm always saying, does that make sense? Very communicator arriving, 517 00:31:54,320 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 1: because it's we have such mismisguided meanings for a very profound, 518 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 1: simple topics that I'm always like, girl, we arrive somewhere, Honey, 519 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 1: are we Lendy? Are we there yet? You know that? No? 520 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 1: And I'm so grateful for that because I think what's 521 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: so important too with this work it is checking in 522 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 1: and not assuming that people understand what we're talking about, 523 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: and not just as teachers, but even in the conversations 524 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 1: we have with our families, right, because everyone's lens of 525 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 1: hearing or receiving a message is always peppered with life experience. 526 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: It's always you know, I could use I could use 527 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 1: the word love, and for someone else that could have 528 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: been a word that was weaponized and brings up a 529 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 1: completely different feeling or understanding. Right. So no, I'm grateful 530 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 1: for that. But I think really when when you ask 531 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: me that question, I was also like, I just ate 532 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: a feast. I need a second. That was such a 533 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:55,959 Speaker 1: glorious feast. Saw, it was such a glorious feast, truly, 534 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: and I think, you know it really it really hits, 535 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 1: it really hits the nail on the head. I think 536 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 1: of how I'd at least really hope and desire for 537 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 1: people to begin to explore themselves. You know, Um, I 538 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 1: think for us, and this is something that we speak to. 539 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 1: And this is not at all a judgment of anybody 540 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 1: that's led to do anything, because everything is in divine 541 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 1: time and in divine order, and so you know, I 542 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 1: think there's still lots of purpose. Everything is getting young, right, 543 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 1: so there is like the pieces we resonate with and 544 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: the pieces that we don't. No industry alive is devoid 545 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 1: of that. No, no personal family structure, um, but something 546 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: we do speak to it It is that I you know, 547 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: I worry because I think that I think people I 548 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: think there is some weaponizing of spirituality that in fact 549 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: is spiritual narcissism and spiritual bypassing. And I think a 550 00:33:55,160 --> 00:34:00,080 Speaker 1: lot of people are performatively regurgitating information they've heard the 551 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 1: embodiment stage is so important. Everyone has to experience it. 552 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 1: Now that may not be in alignment with how quickly 553 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: you'd like to make money in this space, or how 554 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 1: quickly you'd like to prepare you know, potentially some coursework 555 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:20,439 Speaker 1: or some you know, different offerings. Yeah, because you're also 556 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: messing with your karma. You're also really messing with your 557 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,759 Speaker 1: karma if you were entering other people's minds and heart 558 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 1: spaces and are not fully equipped to do so, and 559 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 1: there's no shame in it, and it's okay it comes. 560 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,439 Speaker 1: But you have to embody your own healing to even 561 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 1: understand how the healing works so that you can extend 562 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 1: it to others. You know, And even healing has been 563 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 1: so like appropriated, like that word. It's like, you know, 564 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,320 Speaker 1: healing isn't just saying like, yes, I've healed that, or 565 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I'm in forgiveness like healing that. Truly, 566 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,640 Speaker 1: if we're gonna go there, let's go deep for a second. 567 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: When I heal some of my greatest trauma, I have 568 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:10,240 Speaker 1: restructured my cells. I have redesigned myself energetically, physically, biologically, 569 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,839 Speaker 1: as well as in the ethers, as well as as 570 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 1: it relates to my karma and my course curriculum as 571 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 1: a soul that is not attached to a body. But 572 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: then I've also healed the body, and so that doesn't 573 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 1: happen after reading one book. Potentially it could listen there 574 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,719 Speaker 1: are you know, there are a few, but you know, 575 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 1: one and seven billion potentially, But you know, and so 576 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 1: I think that is part of the grace that we 577 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: extend to ourselves to knowing that every layer that we're 578 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 1: able to access in ourselves through our practice, there's also 579 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 1: opportunity to deepen it. I've revisited healing recently around certain 580 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 1: ages that I thought I was fully integrated with because 581 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,840 Speaker 1: I started working on it ten years ago and I 582 00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,799 Speaker 1: was for the versions of myself that I've been thus 583 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 1: are this new DEVI It requires something else. So there 584 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 1: was little small refinements that came on that same lesson. 585 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,799 Speaker 1: There were new interpretations based on who I am now 586 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,320 Speaker 1: that further inform who I'm able to be in the 587 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 1: world and how I'm able to teach. And so you know, 588 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 1: it's just at least the way that I'm experiencing. Um. 589 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,799 Speaker 1: I think we kind of started this beautiful piece really 590 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 1: an understanding that the grandest barrier to our own healing 591 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 1: is our own against us, of ourselves. But then it's 592 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 1: it's still even as you're healing, knowing that there is 593 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 1: always opportunity to deepen it. There is all like the 594 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 1: amount of layers that we can come through on the 595 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 1: same subject are endless, they're bountiful um, and so surrendering 596 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 1: to that as part of the journey is where the 597 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 1: gift is. But if we're so consumed with our ego identification, 598 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 1: with how together we are, how healed we are, even 599 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,840 Speaker 1: how much spiritual knowledge we have, if you could be 600 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 1: practicing this work for fifty years and there's still more 601 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,719 Speaker 1: places for you to go with it, there's still more 602 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:11,879 Speaker 1: to be learned, there's still new opportunities to transform even 603 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,920 Speaker 1: the smallest pieces, because if there weren't, you would not 604 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,200 Speaker 1: be occupying space on Earth right now. If there's tension 605 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,760 Speaker 1: in the mind, and if there's tension in the body, 606 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,520 Speaker 1: there's work to do, you know, just like use that 607 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,759 Speaker 1: as your guiding force, as your orientention. You know, if 608 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 1: there is any sort of tension and the minder and 609 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 1: a body, there's work to be done, There's liberation to 610 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:40,080 Speaker 1: be had, there's revelations to be experienced, you know, So 611 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,640 Speaker 1: think about it like that, and and and when there's tension, 612 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 1: there's attachment. When there's attachment, there's a version. When there's 613 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:51,400 Speaker 1: a version, there's ignorance. So you're looking at the poisons, right, Attachment, 614 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 1: a version, and ignorance the root cause of all of 615 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,880 Speaker 1: our suffering. Um So, what we're looking at the at 616 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:02,000 Speaker 1: the sort of like trifecta of poison. The way for 617 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 1: you to realize if you still have ignorance inside of you, 618 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 1: you have attachment inside of youth used to have a 619 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 1: version inside of you. And I know attachment is in 620 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:16,399 Speaker 1: in the in the psychological the modern psychological space. It's 621 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,920 Speaker 1: used as sometimes as a healthy thing. I have a 622 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 1: healthy attachment. But according to the Buddha, who I believe 623 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:28,400 Speaker 1: is one of the first psychologists psychoanalysts, um attachment is 624 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 1: this insatiable thirst. You know, it's just like insatiable craving, 625 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:38,239 Speaker 1: this desperate need to change our experiences, this um this 626 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:43,279 Speaker 1: sense of this satisfaction. It's always pervasive. You know, if 627 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,920 Speaker 1: there is that there's work to be done, you know, 628 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,279 Speaker 1: um so e gauging the assension and my attention about it, 629 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 1: then there's still ignorance, there's still attachment, there's still a version. Um. 630 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,880 Speaker 1: So just when you're thinking about attachment, you want to 631 00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 1: use the word that the Buddha use. We're looking at 632 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 1: this like pervasive sense gratification. We are we're misinterpreting a 633 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 1: sugar rush for genuine happiness. So we have to just 634 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 1: keep thinking about it like that. Um. I have so 635 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 1: much attachment, that's so much a versions, so much ignorous 636 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,439 Speaker 1: to go. And what I do have now is it's 637 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,000 Speaker 1: a quick way back into the center. That's what I have. 638 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 1: It's I I don't dwell in either extremes attachment meaning 639 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:29,880 Speaker 1: I need this cake and I need to eat the 640 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,840 Speaker 1: entire cake, or a version get this person away from me. 641 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,440 Speaker 1: They're just so cause of my measure pushed that person far, 642 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 1: far far away from me. I don't go into those 643 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,960 Speaker 1: extremes for too long. That's what I have now. You know, 644 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,799 Speaker 1: it's sometimes it's a couple of hours, sometimes it's thirty minutes. 645 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:51,200 Speaker 1: Sometimes it's literally one breath and I'm back in my center. Um. 646 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:55,320 Speaker 1: And you know, there's there was maybe a couple of 647 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,479 Speaker 1: years that I spent with suicide of depression, still deep 648 00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:02,279 Speaker 1: in my practice, you going into ashrooms and monasteries and 649 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:06,360 Speaker 1: seeing the groups and practicing, practicing, practicing become I became 650 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,120 Speaker 1: like a ceaseless prayer, you know. And that's how he 651 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,400 Speaker 1: sort of like erupted the next stage of my evolution. 652 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,560 Speaker 1: That's how I've really found my center. But I did 653 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:19,279 Speaker 1: spend a couple of years, uh, profoundly dark years where 654 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,719 Speaker 1: suicidal thoughts were like every third thought was like, there's 655 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,800 Speaker 1: no point, just just do it, just go and planning 656 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:30,040 Speaker 1: and that kind of I'm thinking. But now it's not 657 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,879 Speaker 1: there anymore. Even when those thoughts do visit way, even 658 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 1: when there is, um something really traumatic happening in our 659 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,839 Speaker 1: in my in my inner world, in my external world, 660 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:45,400 Speaker 1: I have the ability to find my center. Yeah that okay, 661 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:55,160 Speaker 1: hold on, we sit in here, because that is hold 662 00:40:55,200 --> 00:41:08,040 Speaker 1: that thought, we are coming right back. H That is 663 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,719 Speaker 1: so beyond powerful and I think so resonant for so 664 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:20,120 Speaker 1: many What does that I'd be grateful for any deeper 665 00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,719 Speaker 1: insights saw into how you held space for yourself in 666 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:29,200 Speaker 1: that way while navigating truly um, you know, some of 667 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,480 Speaker 1: the darkest emotions that are available to us in human form, 668 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:37,000 Speaker 1: but also still being active in your present, like those 669 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:41,920 Speaker 1: are in your practice. Excuse me, those are such opposite 670 00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,000 Speaker 1: ends of the spectrum or maybe not, you know, so, 671 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:49,360 Speaker 1: just any any thoughts on the way that you experienced 672 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:55,560 Speaker 1: a container that complex. There's a lot of there's there's 673 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,320 Speaker 1: a lot of layers, right, So I'm gonna try to 674 00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:01,279 Speaker 1: just kind of like go piece by peace and maybe 675 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:05,399 Speaker 1: I'll cover, you know, ground enough that people are gonna 676 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,360 Speaker 1: be like, oh, ship, that's juicy, I can use that. 677 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,320 Speaker 1: Um First, when you're experiencing suicidal ideation, you have to 678 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,640 Speaker 1: recognize it's not your whole self that wants to die. 679 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,520 Speaker 1: It's a part of you that's ready to die. The 680 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:20,680 Speaker 1: problem is we're holding on to an identity. We're holding 681 00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,440 Speaker 1: onto a past version of ourselves, and we can't hold 682 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,680 Speaker 1: onto the past. You know, leaves fall off the tree, 683 00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,799 Speaker 1: and the tree is not reaching down trying to hold 684 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,800 Speaker 1: onto the leaves they're falling. That's what we're doing. You know. 685 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,880 Speaker 1: That causes so much pain. We're not moving with the 686 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,600 Speaker 1: transient nature of life. We're not moving with the changing 687 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,239 Speaker 1: nature of all of life. That causes a lot of 688 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,800 Speaker 1: imbalance in the mind and the body. Right, So, suicidal ideation, 689 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:51,000 Speaker 1: at its core, it's it's you. It's it's it's actually 690 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:56,040 Speaker 1: a revelatory, liberatory process because you're recognize, you're in full 691 00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,480 Speaker 1: recognition that some part of you is ready to die. 692 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:03,360 Speaker 1: So it's it's being anointed by death, which is opens 693 00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,759 Speaker 1: you up to to realize how holy and how miraculous 694 00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,600 Speaker 1: and how grand and powerful you really are. So we 695 00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:13,680 Speaker 1: have that as a context foundation, right, then we have 696 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,560 Speaker 1: to use the power of self something of of of 697 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,120 Speaker 1: of comforting ourselves, of becoming our own best friend. So 698 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,000 Speaker 1: one thing a mantra that I use is I make 699 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:28,440 Speaker 1: peace with this feeling. I make peace with this feeling. 700 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:33,279 Speaker 1: And um, it's worked wonders for me. It's literally been 701 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,880 Speaker 1: like a magic pill. And I there's there's Usually you 702 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:38,759 Speaker 1: will never hear me say there's a magic pill, because 703 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,480 Speaker 1: there's like a multiplicity of of of of things that 704 00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:46,520 Speaker 1: have to come to into synergy, into congruency in order 705 00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:50,320 Speaker 1: for unlocking to happen. But the simple set of words 706 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,520 Speaker 1: and make peace with this feeling opens the door for 707 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,080 Speaker 1: for that feeling to die, for that feeling to move, 708 00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,799 Speaker 1: for something else to come up. Right, you, when you're 709 00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,799 Speaker 1: saying and make peace with this to your your you're 710 00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:06,080 Speaker 1: putting your finger on the pole. So everyone who I 711 00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,920 Speaker 1: love and everyone who I don't love will be born, 712 00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,640 Speaker 1: will die, and we'll be reborn again. Right, this this 713 00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,200 Speaker 1: sort of cycle of life, death and rebirth. When you 714 00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,359 Speaker 1: were saying, I make peace with the ceiling, you're you're 715 00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:22,280 Speaker 1: you're coming in close contact, you're intimately experience the transient 716 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,440 Speaker 1: nature of all of life. Right because you're saying, Okay, 717 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,719 Speaker 1: thank you, you came. You taught me a lesson. I've 718 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,640 Speaker 1: learned the less of integrated the lesson. I'll thank you 719 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,759 Speaker 1: very much. Be well now, so I make this with 720 00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:33,560 Speaker 1: that with this feeling opens the door for that. And 721 00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,319 Speaker 1: I usually put like right hand over my chest, left 722 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,680 Speaker 1: hand over my belly, or both hands over my heart whatever, 723 00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,239 Speaker 1: you know, sometimes it's in my throat and the back 724 00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:47,879 Speaker 1: wherever you are experiencing this intense sensation, this feeling, go there, 725 00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,560 Speaker 1: and then the next stage is to is to do 726 00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,880 Speaker 1: your best effort to start to this mental the feelings 727 00:44:55,280 --> 00:45:00,239 Speaker 1: the emotions from the stories, like drop the story right, 728 00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:04,160 Speaker 1: be with the feeling. Drop the story, be with the feeling. 729 00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,120 Speaker 1: And I believe I learned this from premature drunk uh 730 00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,680 Speaker 1: pamma is an impectable Buddhist teacher. Um, I believe I 731 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,160 Speaker 1: learned that from her. I'm not sure exactly. This is 732 00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:17,160 Speaker 1: very big in Buddhist psychology to dismantle, right, because in 733 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,560 Speaker 1: Buddhist psychology, what some of the literature says that feelings 734 00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:24,760 Speaker 1: arise first, and then thoughts claim the meaning of that feeling, 735 00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,279 Speaker 1: and then we speak or we and we act. Right. So, 736 00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,240 Speaker 1: one thing that I heard a story about the Buddha 737 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,279 Speaker 1: that one of the things that he noticed when he 738 00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,480 Speaker 1: became fully in line, he said he could see thoughts 739 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,560 Speaker 1: before they manifest. How wonderful would that be, you know, 740 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:39,680 Speaker 1: to be able to see a motherfucker turn in the 741 00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,680 Speaker 1: corner before it hits you, You know what I mean? 742 00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,560 Speaker 1: I like that? So thinking about it like that, you know? 743 00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:51,520 Speaker 1: So this mentally feelings from thoughts, right, because the feeling, 744 00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:57,239 Speaker 1: that sensation in the body. Um, oftentimes we have a 745 00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:01,320 Speaker 1: hard wired story associated to that. Even years after I 746 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,640 Speaker 1: had to transformed my mind and liberated myself from suicide 747 00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:08,200 Speaker 1: of ideation, when I had that buzzing, yucky anxiety in 748 00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,560 Speaker 1: my belly, there was still a few times that the 749 00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,960 Speaker 1: initial store will be oak side of thoughts. Oh that 750 00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,800 Speaker 1: this feeling is this, this narrative. This feeling is situated 751 00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,040 Speaker 1: with this story. So what I want you to do 752 00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:24,160 Speaker 1: is I want you to um relearn how to breathe 753 00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,320 Speaker 1: in such a way like and I say relearn is 754 00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,880 Speaker 1: go instead of breathing twelve to sixteen times per minute, 755 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:35,680 Speaker 1: which is the ordinarily anxious, depressed breath, which is very covicular, 756 00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,919 Speaker 1: very short and shallow breath, and entered to the healing breath, 757 00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:40,800 Speaker 1: which is four to six times per minutes, which is 758 00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:45,880 Speaker 1: the very deep abdominal belly breath. Right. Relearn how to 759 00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,320 Speaker 1: breathe so much so that when an intense feeling arises, 760 00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:53,520 Speaker 1: you have enough what we say is equanimity, right psychological 761 00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,600 Speaker 1: stability to be with the feeling and not get taken 762 00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,400 Speaker 1: by the stories associated with it. And the only way 763 00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,720 Speaker 1: for you to create the container, your inner working stage 764 00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:05,360 Speaker 1: and your inner container for you to be able to 765 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,880 Speaker 1: do that is accessing a healing breath. That's how I 766 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,960 Speaker 1: seem to work um So, and then I mean, so 767 00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,719 Speaker 1: we're looking at being anointed by death. We're looking at 768 00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,800 Speaker 1: um making making peace with it, with the feeling I 769 00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:20,960 Speaker 1: make peace with the feeling that we're looking at dismantling 770 00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,759 Speaker 1: feelings with the narrative. Um. These are some of the 771 00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:28,759 Speaker 1: ways that have really helped me to to this mantle, UM, 772 00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,239 Speaker 1: how I relate to challenging feelings. And this is the 773 00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,600 Speaker 1: way that I started to to change how I relate 774 00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,200 Speaker 1: to um to the idea that certain feelings are o 775 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,600 Speaker 1: kay to have in certain feelings are not you know, 776 00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,640 Speaker 1: these are good feelings, are bad feelings. And then I 777 00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,200 Speaker 1: entered to this next stage of my evolution where like 778 00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,320 Speaker 1: all feelings are welcome. It's really it's really what I 779 00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,000 Speaker 1: make out of it, you know. And then we recognize 780 00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,440 Speaker 1: that we it's because of our condition, because of our 781 00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:59,839 Speaker 1: past pain and and and all of our karma where 782 00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,960 Speaker 1: hatching certain meaning to certain experiences, right. Um. And it's 783 00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,360 Speaker 1: very interesting when you study trauma and you work with 784 00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:10,360 Speaker 1: with Polly trauma survivors. Right, some people have had the 785 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:16,879 Speaker 1: most horrific experiences, and these motherfuckers are thriving. Someone might 786 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,680 Speaker 1: say that that one thing that that happened to them 787 00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,480 Speaker 1: is a hundred it's a fifty weight or a hundredweight. 788 00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,880 Speaker 1: And for that person who's had to Polly trauma, multiple 789 00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,920 Speaker 1: traumas happened to them, you know, So it's all relative. 790 00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,120 Speaker 1: What I'm speaking to. It's like, it's really like the 791 00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,160 Speaker 1: meaning that you give is based on the depth of 792 00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:39,319 Speaker 1: your liberation, you know, So thinking about it like that, um, 793 00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,080 Speaker 1: and I know it's kind of black and white, and 794 00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:42,680 Speaker 1: I don't like to give black and white teachers, but 795 00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,040 Speaker 1: sometimes you really have to sort of like enter to 796 00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:49,440 Speaker 1: that space and be like, Okay, I'm associating negative, destructive, 797 00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,040 Speaker 1: harmful meaning to every single circumstance in my life, to 798 00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,160 Speaker 1: every single feeling, to every single thought, to every single thing. 799 00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,080 Speaker 1: And I'm and you're telling everybody else in yourself that 800 00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,720 Speaker 1: you're doing the work. I'm gonna challenge you and say, Babe, 801 00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,759 Speaker 1: if you're associating these harmful meanings to every single thing 802 00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:10,520 Speaker 1: in your internal, internal life and external life as bad, harmful, destructive, 803 00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,560 Speaker 1: then you gotta pivot your inner life. Your inner work 804 00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,800 Speaker 1: needs a change. And what I always tell people is like, 805 00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:23,920 Speaker 1: focus on the simplicity, focus on repetitive of simple practice. 806 00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:30,400 Speaker 1: You know, repetition of simplicity leads celeberation. Coming back to that, right, 807 00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:34,279 Speaker 1: coming back to that, Repetition of simplicity leads celeberation. So 808 00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,439 Speaker 1: if I'm if any of these things that I offer 809 00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,760 Speaker 1: you today, they land, do them consistently for a few years. 810 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,080 Speaker 1: Don't try to go to another podcast, to another book, 811 00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,879 Speaker 1: to another this sort of it's stop approaching healing through 812 00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,560 Speaker 1: a consumeristic, capitalistic approach. Like you know, when I used 813 00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,400 Speaker 1: to work in fashion, I used to like literally go 814 00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,040 Speaker 1: every season, good at the whole closet, and I have 815 00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,239 Speaker 1: to go and get a whole new thing, and get 816 00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,200 Speaker 1: a whole new season, get a whole new war drop 817 00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,600 Speaker 1: and get a whole new You know, there's no I 818 00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:06,080 Speaker 1: couldn't work with the same tools in every single season. 819 00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,160 Speaker 1: But in the spiritual work, we have to recognize that 820 00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,160 Speaker 1: there is a set of simple practices that work for 821 00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:17,920 Speaker 1: us in every season and certain seasons. The way these 822 00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,680 Speaker 1: simple practices will work for you will give you more. 823 00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,480 Speaker 1: They will open you up to deeper and deeper seats 824 00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:27,279 Speaker 1: of awakening because those seasons are lighter um and there's 825 00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,840 Speaker 1: more blossoming, there's a bigger harvest. Some seasons are darker 826 00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,719 Speaker 1: and more intense and more challenging, and there's not as 827 00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,759 Speaker 1: much blossoming. That doesn't mean that these simple practice are 828 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,680 Speaker 1: is not working. It just means you gotta ride the way. 829 00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,840 Speaker 1: You know, nothing blooms all year but the simplicity of 830 00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,040 Speaker 1: the practice what I need people to recognize it. If 831 00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,399 Speaker 1: there's anything that I teach, they that lands for people. 832 00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,520 Speaker 1: Focus on simplicity. And it may be like, SA, what 833 00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:53,480 Speaker 1: are who are you saying that? When you are when 834 00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:57,160 Speaker 1: you study Vidrayana, which is such a complex, mystical you know, 835 00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,439 Speaker 1: a tradition that's so much richer, there's so so many 836 00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:04,040 Speaker 1: you know, bells and whistles and so many layers to it. Yeah. 837 00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:06,640 Speaker 1: I didn't start there. I didn't start there, you know 838 00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,240 Speaker 1: what I mean. I started with zen, I I moved. 839 00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:13,000 Speaker 1: I started with just the breath, just the concentration technique, 840 00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,640 Speaker 1: just you know, it's the simplicity to then build, then 841 00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:21,200 Speaker 1: you build. That's that's that's really I think thinking about 842 00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:28,680 Speaker 1: the container to liberation in very dark seasons, very challenging seasons. Um, simplicity, 843 00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:33,600 Speaker 1: but consistency. Stop being consistent to your pain narrative. Be 844 00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:37,719 Speaker 1: consistent to uncovering your truth. You know. Um, I think 845 00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:39,600 Speaker 1: we see so much in the world today and I 846 00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:44,560 Speaker 1: applaud it. I think it's brave that people are using there, 847 00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:51,560 Speaker 1: are approaching their pain narratives and their mental health issues. UM. 848 00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,680 Speaker 1: From a brave perspective, what is what? What do I 849 00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:57,839 Speaker 1: mean by that that they're speaking about? It's a very brave. 850 00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,319 Speaker 1: And then there is there the spiritual point that has 851 00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,719 Speaker 1: to come into the picture. There is the stop over 852 00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:07,759 Speaker 1: the identifying with your depression, stop over the identifying with 853 00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,160 Speaker 1: your addiction, stop over the identifying with your anxiety. Yes, 854 00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,080 Speaker 1: a part of me is experiencing depression, A part of 855 00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,000 Speaker 1: me is anxious, part of me is addictive. But that 856 00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,400 Speaker 1: part of you isn't the whole of you are. And 857 00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,080 Speaker 1: I always remember that. I always remember that, right, you know, 858 00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:23,759 Speaker 1: like it's it's a part of me. It's not the 859 00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:32,640 Speaker 1: whole of who I am like that like that. Mm hmm, wow, 860 00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:39,440 Speaker 1: I love you. I love you, thank you, thank you, 861 00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:46,560 Speaker 1: thank you. That was mm hmm. Girl, you let me speak, honey, 862 00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,680 Speaker 1: she goes off, she goes off on me over here. 863 00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:58,680 Speaker 1: It was just so masterful, so masterful, so beautiful what 864 00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,960 Speaker 1: you shared, so tan dorble. I feel that everything that 865 00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:08,040 Speaker 1: you just said could be smell, tasted, scene, felt um, 866 00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,920 Speaker 1: And I think I'm just kind of I can't help myself. 867 00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,759 Speaker 1: My body just responds by closing my eyes. You guys 868 00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,200 Speaker 1: can't hear me listening, but I had my eyes closed 869 00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:23,120 Speaker 1: for like ten minutes, um. But that's how I connect 870 00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,520 Speaker 1: and I hear God and it just you know, so 871 00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:31,320 Speaker 1: I think that I think everything you just stared shared 872 00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:36,120 Speaker 1: perfectly expressed. Why you are who you are, why you 873 00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:43,080 Speaker 1: are where you are, and how necessary, how beautifully necessary 874 00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,920 Speaker 1: your mind, your heart, your work, art to this world. 875 00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:49,960 Speaker 1: Thank you if I love it, thank you, thank you, 876 00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:54,120 Speaker 1: thank you. Can I share a little something please that 877 00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,120 Speaker 1: we didn't get to talk about when you mentioned the book. 878 00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:04,960 Speaker 1: Spiritually Sassy was born out of a desperate need to 879 00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:10,279 Speaker 1: show that the spiritual path, that the path of liberation, 880 00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:18,320 Speaker 1: doesn't need to be rooted on zombies in this forced seriousness. 881 00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:20,960 Speaker 1: You know, someone makes a beautiful joke and you're like 882 00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:24,920 Speaker 1: mm hmm. Someone plays beautiful music, and you just kind 883 00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,120 Speaker 1: of move, you know, like very lightly. You don't really 884 00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,560 Speaker 1: enjoy the beach. You don't allow your body to be 885 00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:35,080 Speaker 1: moved by it. Someone speaks beautiful poetry into the world, 886 00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:38,480 Speaker 1: and you don't really allow yourself to be moved. And 887 00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:42,040 Speaker 1: you think that dressing in that way and speaking in 888 00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,840 Speaker 1: the in in in a certain way, and and looking 889 00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:49,840 Speaker 1: spiritual and speaking spiritual and eating spiritual, and and you know, 890 00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:57,040 Speaker 1: you're you're utilizing this this um, this facade um which 891 00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,359 Speaker 1: I call zombie sin, which I was for a wife. 892 00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,200 Speaker 1: You saw me in India a few years ago, girl, 893 00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,800 Speaker 1: I was that, you know, wearing all white, with the 894 00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:06,560 Speaker 1: all the mala beads, with all the crystals, you know, 895 00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:08,960 Speaker 1: bare feet, like the whole thing. I was giving the 896 00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,399 Speaker 1: whole Lookie Bevy Brown would walk by and I could, 897 00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,680 Speaker 1: I wouldn't give her a compliment. I would just be like, 898 00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,000 Speaker 1: mm hmm. But now I see that being like, bitch, 899 00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:20,560 Speaker 1: you're fucking legend, iconic, delicious, You're seducing the gods, you're 900 00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:24,359 Speaker 1: changing the paradigm, you're literally giving life to the world. 901 00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:28,359 Speaker 1: I will never stop myself from from offering poetry, from 902 00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:32,400 Speaker 1: offering compliment in that way, you know. But I was. 903 00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:35,759 Speaker 1: I was so caught up in what I had believed 904 00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:40,880 Speaker 1: a spiritual seeker should look like, should sound like. And 905 00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,520 Speaker 1: because that's what I that's what I was like normalized 906 00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,200 Speaker 1: in the space. Right look a look this way, speak 907 00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,239 Speaker 1: that way, eat this way. Just fit the mold of 908 00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,799 Speaker 1: the zombies in and there's nothing wrong with that. Um. 909 00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:57,240 Speaker 1: And if you're looking for something else, if you're looking 910 00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:00,759 Speaker 1: for a home, that you haven't found out there before. 911 00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:04,520 Speaker 1: Maybe spiritual Sassy's for you, you know, um and and 912 00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:09,480 Speaker 1: so that's kind of like the dismantling that this zombies 913 00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,359 Speaker 1: then is. You know, the more zombies than you are, 914 00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,640 Speaker 1: the more spiritually liberated you are. I'm on the other 915 00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:19,000 Speaker 1: side saying, the bigger your smile is, you know, the 916 00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:24,760 Speaker 1: more your presence radiates joy, the more you emanate creativity 917 00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:30,480 Speaker 1: and curiosity and beauty, the more liberated you are. Um. So, 918 00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,359 Speaker 1: But and then there's this, you know, there's a little 919 00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,600 Speaker 1: bit of a great area, like a muddy area with this. 920 00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:40,280 Speaker 1: People think that it's about then looking great. Yes, look great, 921 00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:43,120 Speaker 1: give a fantasy, you know, put on a fantasy to 922 00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,920 Speaker 1: the world that's beautiful. But but make sure that you're 923 00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:49,560 Speaker 1: inner world matches that make sure that you're inner world 924 00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,960 Speaker 1: is incongruency with what you're putting out into the world. 925 00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:58,400 Speaker 1: So spiritually Sassy is about, you know, feeling great, looking great, 926 00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:02,520 Speaker 1: and most importantly doing great. Like understanding that the whole 927 00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:06,279 Speaker 1: purpose of the path is to become more altruistic, you know, 928 00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:09,080 Speaker 1: is to really understand that happiness is not in what 929 00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:13,760 Speaker 1: I shared earlier, in the in the sense gratifications happiness 930 00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:16,880 Speaker 1: is not about pleasing our sense about seeing nice things 931 00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:20,080 Speaker 1: here nice things, tasting nice things, um, smelling nice things, 932 00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,440 Speaker 1: feeling nice things, thinking that. It's not about that. It's 933 00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:27,720 Speaker 1: not about quenching the thirst of our senses. Right, happiness 934 00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:31,480 Speaker 1: about serving others. Genuine happiness only arise at the base 935 00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:36,640 Speaker 1: of your being in service to others. Period. People don't 936 00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:38,440 Speaker 1: want to hear that. They want to hear that the 937 00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,760 Speaker 1: they want to hear other things. But when you're studying 938 00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:48,600 Speaker 1: the ancient scriptures um, especially in my lineage, right in Buddhism, 939 00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:51,600 Speaker 1: you you come to you come to a halt, to 940 00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,880 Speaker 1: come to a corner where you do enough inner work. 941 00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,440 Speaker 1: You you transform your mind enough, you energize your body enough, 942 00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:00,800 Speaker 1: you open your heart enough, and then you you reach 943 00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:02,720 Speaker 1: this point that the only way for you to take 944 00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,760 Speaker 1: your your transformation to the next degreeing for you to 945 00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:10,600 Speaker 1: really experience this blissful nature that we are. It's only 946 00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:15,920 Speaker 1: in serving others. It's only in sharing with others what 947 00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:18,440 Speaker 1: you've learned. Being in service to other you find the 948 00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,680 Speaker 1: missing pieces to your healing. It's the missing piece to 949 00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:23,960 Speaker 1: your puzzle, to your healing puzzle that you haven't be 950 00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,480 Speaker 1: having be able to find anywhere you will find God 951 00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:31,919 Speaker 1: in service. You find that peace and service. So don't 952 00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:33,880 Speaker 1: don't hold back. You know, I say to people all 953 00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:38,040 Speaker 1: the time, if you're running over on on your street 954 00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:43,080 Speaker 1: walking to reach get to Debby's meditation class, um, you know, 955 00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:47,160 Speaker 1: or to get to Debbie's talk, I guarantee that that 956 00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:50,560 Speaker 1: won't be happy that you didn't stop to give a 957 00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:53,000 Speaker 1: blessing to the homeless person on the street. You know, 958 00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:55,720 Speaker 1: she would rather you stop and be twenty minutes later 959 00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,560 Speaker 1: her class because you said I'm late, Because I was. 960 00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:01,480 Speaker 1: I was. I was the alloping my altruistic tendencies. I 961 00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:05,000 Speaker 1: was developing my saintliness. And then show up to the class, 962 00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:06,840 Speaker 1: and then you may miss, you may miss half of 963 00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,720 Speaker 1: the class. But I guarantee that whatever you heard, it 964 00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:12,400 Speaker 1: will it will be. You would actually be listening through 965 00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:15,400 Speaker 1: the sound of love. You would actually be seen through 966 00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:17,880 Speaker 1: the eyes of love. So it's just a different kind 967 00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:21,480 Speaker 1: of it's just a different kind of depth of liberation, right. 968 00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:25,320 Speaker 1: Um uh, there is a level of selfishness that we 969 00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,760 Speaker 1: have to demand our happiness, we have to demand our liberation. 970 00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,520 Speaker 1: We have to demand our liberation. So that means you 971 00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:34,160 Speaker 1: do have to take time to be in alignment right, 972 00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,760 Speaker 1: and then the next stage is all about service. And 973 00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:40,600 Speaker 1: people ask me about what is what is what does 974 00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,959 Speaker 1: it mean to being balanced? And I say, balance means 975 00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:47,280 Speaker 1: that you have mastered how to take care of others. 976 00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:51,440 Speaker 1: Why I'm taking care of yourself. So this beautiful events 977 00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:55,520 Speaker 1: of serving others and serving yourself right, and that is 978 00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:59,120 Speaker 1: where genuine happiness, uh will fully blossom. And then you're 979 00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:01,080 Speaker 1: gonna look at the garden you of your mind and like, 980 01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:05,040 Speaker 1: holy funk, look at all these beautiful, amazing fruit trees 981 01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:07,440 Speaker 1: that I get to sit around and eat all day. Now. 982 01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:11,040 Speaker 1: So that's the work, right, that's the work. Um. So 983 01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:16,680 Speaker 1: like that? Oh like that? Oh yeah, no big deal, 984 01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,960 Speaker 1: no big deal, just a roadmap to your higher consciousness 985 01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:24,480 Speaker 1: and your complete and total return to wholeness. No, biggie, 986 01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:29,880 Speaker 1: I love you, thank you. Oh my god, that was exquisite. 987 01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:36,280 Speaker 1: And I think you know you're just someone who you 988 01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:41,760 Speaker 1: have such a God given commanding presence and such a 989 01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:46,400 Speaker 1: way of being. Um yeah, I just see God all 990 01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:48,120 Speaker 1: in and through you when I look at you, when 991 01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:50,080 Speaker 1: I'm able to feast upon you and I'm able to 992 01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:53,680 Speaker 1: be blessed by your words and your existence. Thank you 993 01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:58,320 Speaker 1: so much for that depth of knowledge and just the 994 01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:05,960 Speaker 1: way that you so beauty beutifully make it glimpsible, tasteable. 995 01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:10,040 Speaker 1: I think for everyone on their road, on their journey, 996 01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:16,919 Speaker 1: wherever they find themselves, like you are such a such 997 01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:20,600 Speaker 1: a powerful presence on earth. Oh my god, girls, stop it, 998 01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:27,640 Speaker 1: Oh my god. Part of the journey is receiving, right, Well, 999 01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:31,680 Speaker 1: don't turn yourself off from receiving. It's an energetic exchange. 1000 01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:35,760 Speaker 1: You give so much, and you are deserving of all 1001 01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:40,320 Speaker 1: the beautiful words that exist in all the books. Thank you, 1002 01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:41,800 Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, 1003 01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:43,440 Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, 1004 01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:47,720 Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, thank you. You're such an epic being. Sa. 1005 01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,760 Speaker 1: I love you endlessly. Two. I know that you have 1006 01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:52,720 Speaker 1: a packed schedule, but I know there will be a 1007 01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:55,040 Speaker 1: part two, and I want to tease everybody giving you 1008 01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:58,720 Speaker 1: a little taste tease um that I will be doing 1009 01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:04,600 Speaker 1: a masterclass with Saw and his incredible spiritually sassy community. Um. 1010 01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:07,680 Speaker 1: Depending on when you hear this episode, I'm not sure 1011 01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:11,000 Speaker 1: how close to her if it's past, but uh, stay tuned. 1012 01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:14,360 Speaker 1: I would say to saws Instagram, to saws website, you 1013 01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,400 Speaker 1: have an incredible community that people can join that is 1014 01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:20,160 Speaker 1: doing big work. I felt really blessed to be a 1015 01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:23,000 Speaker 1: guest on your podcast that was connected with your community. 1016 01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:27,360 Speaker 1: I've been receiving so much love from your tribe from 1017 01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:30,440 Speaker 1: that episode that has felt really special. So I want 1018 01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:34,400 Speaker 1: everyone to know. Spiritually, Sassy School, that is how you 1019 01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:38,320 Speaker 1: can connect deeply with Saw in his work. And there 1020 01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:42,080 Speaker 1: is such a gorgeous structure and being able to get 1021 01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:46,120 Speaker 1: his work, be supported within it, and really just this 1022 01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:51,520 Speaker 1: expansive opportunity to return home and to be inside of 1023 01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:54,720 Speaker 1: the deepest part of you that you possibly can. So 1024 01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:58,680 Speaker 1: Spiritually Sassy School is how you can tangibly connect to 1025 01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:01,840 Speaker 1: Saw and his work. It is a gorgeous membership platform. 1026 01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:04,560 Speaker 1: And you can also enjoy him and savor him on 1027 01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:09,920 Speaker 1: his Instagram Satti Simone and on his epic multimillion follower 1028 01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:16,160 Speaker 1: TikTok page Sadi Simone, where he is literally moving his 1029 01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:20,880 Speaker 1: body for the gods, oh ship. It's so delicious, And 1030 01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:24,200 Speaker 1: I just want to reflect something to you. Your presence 1031 01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:29,040 Speaker 1: changes the psychological temperature of every room that you're in, 1032 01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:33,760 Speaker 1: and that is a profound gift that you offer everybody 1033 01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:38,440 Speaker 1: anytime in your presence. It really like it relaxes every 1034 01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:42,280 Speaker 1: tension that I may be having, Every kno is untied, 1035 01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:47,960 Speaker 1: is undone like you offer that and and presence with 1036 01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:50,640 Speaker 1: your presence and also with the tone of your voice. 1037 01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:57,640 Speaker 1: It's just like, holy fucking ship. You betch your look, honey, 1038 01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:01,600 Speaker 1: your full fantasy. You're little the the full fantasy. So 1039 01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:07,400 Speaker 1: I love you so much. I receive, I receive wide 1040 01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:10,840 Speaker 1: open for all of that. Thank you for seeing Misa. 1041 01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:15,080 Speaker 1: Thank you, my friend. Thank you for being with me 1042 01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:17,760 Speaker 1: in this life. We both embodied here at the same time. 1043 01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:21,560 Speaker 1: What a gift to know each other truly. Oh my god, 1044 01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:23,760 Speaker 1: I love you. Thank you so much everyone for listening, 1045 01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:29,520 Speaker 1: and remember to connect your basic goodness. Remember that whatever thoughts, fins, emotion, sensation, 1046 01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:32,800 Speaker 1: circumstansor experiencing, they do not dictate who you are at 1047 01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:37,760 Speaker 1: the base of your being period. I love you. I 1048 01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:41,560 Speaker 1: love you everyone. 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