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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George

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<v Speaker 1>Washington Broadcast Center.

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<v Speaker 2>Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty, I'm strong and get kid

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<v Speaker 2>and he armstrong and Yetty.

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<v Speaker 3>With regards to the situation in Gaza, the President, echoing

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<v Speaker 3>what US officials have been saying, both in private and

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<v Speaker 3>in public over the last twenty four hours, suggesting that

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<v Speaker 3>a deal could be reached sometime soon, that it could

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<v Speaker 3>be on the cusp of being announced. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 3>been a really long time since we have heard this

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<v Speaker 3>kind of optimism, at least coming from inside the Biden administration.

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<v Speaker 3>But sources have been telling us over the last day

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<v Speaker 3>or so that they do believe a deal could be

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<v Speaker 3>announced for a ceasefire in Gaza and the release of

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<v Speaker 3>hostages from Gaza in the next coming days, in.

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<v Speaker 1>The next couple of days. Yeah, and those two things

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<v Speaker 1>go together. They're going to give back the hostages and

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<v Speaker 1>Israel is going to agree to pull their troops out

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<v Speaker 1>of Gaza. And even the New York Times says this

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<v Speaker 1>is all being instigated, pushed by the looming deadline of

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<v Speaker 1>Biden not being president and Trump being president, And even

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<v Speaker 1>the New York Times includes Trump warning quote, all hell

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<v Speaker 1>to pay unless the hostages are freed by the day

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<v Speaker 1>he becomes president. And apparently Hamas believes that's true.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, Well, I would suggest a huge dose of trust,

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<v Speaker 4>yet verify even in thinking about this alleged agreement. First

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<v Speaker 4>of all, it has to actually be agreed to. Frameworks

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<v Speaker 4>have a history of falling apart in this region. But secondly,

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<v Speaker 4>because I do believe Trump's threats are a legitimate and

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<v Speaker 4>be motivating the hell out of the scumbags and a

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<v Speaker 4>mass to make a deal. But then there's the question

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<v Speaker 4>of implementing it and having everybody live up to their

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<v Speaker 4>side of the agreement.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure extremely skeptical.

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<v Speaker 1>Being mediated by Katar, Egypt and the United States, and

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<v Speaker 1>obviously Israel and Hamas are involved with their own particular

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<v Speaker 1>needs and everything like that. I gotta believe Katar and

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<v Speaker 1>Egypt are saying to Hamas, look, the jig is up, right,

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<v Speaker 1>do you want to be pumpled into dust? Or?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, what are you going to gain out of that? Right? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I would certainly hope.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm more optimistic than you for no reason other

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<v Speaker 1>than it just has echoes of nineteen seventy nine nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty when Reagan came in and the hostages came back

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<v Speaker 1>from Iran and a brand new administration that looks like

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<v Speaker 1>a hard ass. Everybody thinks, Okay, there's a new sheriff

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<v Speaker 1>in down.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm I am really interested to hear what the

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<v Speaker 4>provisions are for a ceasefire from Israel's point of view,

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<v Speaker 4>because they still and they no longer suffer under any

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<v Speaker 4>delusions about this, they are still facing an enemy that

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<v Speaker 4>has sworn to wipe them off the face of the

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<v Speaker 4>earth in their founding charter.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's difficult to strike up a.

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<v Speaker 1>Deal for long term harmony with somebody who answers that description.

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<v Speaker 1>They are not near as tough as they were before,

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<v Speaker 1>and they don't have the backing of their really only supporter,

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<v Speaker 1>Iran anymore because Iran is barely functioning themselves as a military.

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<v Speaker 1>And to me, the big story is do Israel and

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<v Speaker 1>the United States together either take out that nuclear program

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<v Speaker 1>in Iran or go full regime change. I think both

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<v Speaker 1>of them are on the table, and who knows what Trump.

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<v Speaker 4>I would agree, I would agree, And this is the

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<v Speaker 4>contrast between Trump, for better or worse and Biden is

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<v Speaker 4>I think Trump and his people get that doing nothing

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<v Speaker 4>is to do something absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>Barack Obama did not understand that at all. Don't do

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<v Speaker 1>stupid s was his motto. Well, not reacting to Bushar

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<v Speaker 1>al Asad's chemical weapons is stupid s. It led to

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<v Speaker 1>more bad things things.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, constant passivity is some of the stupidest ask you

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<v Speaker 4>can do. So a completely different topic, well, it's tangisially related.

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<v Speaker 4>I guess there are a handful of things that have

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<v Speaker 4>come together in my head. Pete Haggs, that's hearing is

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<v Speaker 4>going on right now in front of the Senate between

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<v Speaker 4>the idiot protesters and the tough questioning of him and

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<v Speaker 4>his force full advocacy of a more fighting, man oriented

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<v Speaker 4>military as opposed to a giant, bloated bureaucracy. That's a

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<v Speaker 4>jobs program. I'm loving that discussion. You have the LA

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<v Speaker 4>fire situation where Karen Bass and Gavin Newsom are trying

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<v Speaker 4>to blame it on climate change when their preparedness was

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<v Speaker 4>terrible over the years and over the previous months, and

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<v Speaker 4>Karen Bass going to Ghana for no good reason just

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<v Speaker 4>because she likes expensive junkets with the forecast being horrible

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<v Speaker 4>in LA. I didn't make any the firefighting program, a

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<v Speaker 4>jobs program for women because not enough women want to

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<v Speaker 4>be fire It's just ridiculous. I didn't realize till yesterday.

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<v Speaker 4>So hear, trip to Ghana. Okay, you're gonna go somewhere,

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<v Speaker 4>find whatever. That doesn't bother me. Politicians bank all kinds

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<v Speaker 4>of trips I hate and everything like that.

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<v Speaker 1>She got there, the fire started, and she stayed. She

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<v Speaker 1>didn't even leave early. Now that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Criminal.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, well, that's not criminal, it's malpractice. Oh and

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<v Speaker 1>again it was just a celebrity junket. There was no

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<v Speaker 1>reason for her to be there whatsoever other than a vacation.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm thinking about, you know, the LA firefighters, how

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<v Speaker 1>they have done this big DEI thing to get more

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<v Speaker 1>women firefighters can not that many women want to be firefighters?

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<v Speaker 2>And who cares? If who cares?

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<v Speaker 4>How many women? How many firefighters in LA County or

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<v Speaker 4>LA are women?

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<v Speaker 2>Who cares? Anybody? Only these activists do gooders.

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<v Speaker 4>It's possible not many women want to be And has

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<v Speaker 4>there been a fire victim in the history of fires,

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<v Speaker 4>or a medical emergency for that matter, maybe excepting giving

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<v Speaker 4>birth by the freeway? Has there ever been a person

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<v Speaker 4>as the firefighters are fighting to put out the fire

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<v Speaker 4>that's going to reduce your home Dash who said, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it's cool that they're doing this, but man, I'd like

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<v Speaker 4>to see some more diversity.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think we've gone so far the wrong direction.

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<v Speaker 1>We should flip it around. Is there do you know

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<v Speaker 1>anybody that seems to be in favor of rejecting a

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<v Speaker 1>woman who's otherwise qualified physically to do the job?

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<v Speaker 2>I course not.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know a single human being that, just from

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<v Speaker 1>a misogynistic sexist standpoint, wouldn't want a qualified woman to

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<v Speaker 1>be a firefighter, right, nobody. I've never heard anybody even

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<v Speaker 1>come close to that opinion. Yet we've gone so far

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<v Speaker 1>the other direction, as if that's the norm to bring

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<v Speaker 1>in people that aren't qualified in the military and firefighting

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<v Speaker 1>cops and all kinds of different examples, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is such a good topic.

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<v Speaker 4>I was actually heading towards going to a more thirty

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<v Speaker 4>thousand foot view of it, but I liked it. I

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<v Speaker 4>have heard people say the sexual dynamics in like combat, sure,

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<v Speaker 4>a combat unit could could be difficult, or managing a

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<v Speaker 4>submarine for instance. So and that's a legitimate discussion because

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<v Speaker 4>as Pete Hegseath is forcibly trying to point out in

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<v Speaker 4>front of the Senate, it's about preparedness for war and

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<v Speaker 4>winning war. It's not a damn jobs program. What is

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<v Speaker 4>your first purpose to winning conflict?

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway?

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<v Speaker 4>Having said that, I've been reading there's a great piece

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<v Speaker 4>by the editors of the National Review about the British

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<v Speaker 4>rape gang's scandal and how horrific it is and one

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<v Speaker 4>of the most horrific aspects, well, every aspect of it's horrific,

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<v Speaker 4>come to think of it. But they go fairly into depth,

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<v Speaker 4>and I wish we had time with how the local

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<v Speaker 4>and national governments covered up for all of this, the

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<v Speaker 4>rape of children, refrained from pursuing justice to avenge the

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<v Speaker 4>rape of children, to avoid endangering quote. And this is

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<v Speaker 4>one particular city, Rotherham's qualities of diversity and harmony, of

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<v Speaker 4>commit unity relationships because the rapists were primarily Muslims of

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<v Speaker 4>Pakistani heritage. Anyway, we'll go bigger on that at some point.

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<v Speaker 4>But the thing I really wanted to get to is

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<v Speaker 4>another great piece I read by a fellow by the

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<v Speaker 4>name of tal Fortgang, who's a hey, he's a thinker

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<v Speaker 4>and a writer, but he's talking about tan of Hissig

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<v Speaker 4>or Tana Hashi. How are your supposed to pronounce his

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<v Speaker 4>his adopted name, coats recent book The Message, and what

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<v Speaker 4>a load of crap it is because any time it

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<v Speaker 4>runs into a wait, what you just said is factually untrue,

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<v Speaker 4>he just.

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<v Speaker 2>Says, Look, don't get caught up in.

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<v Speaker 5>Facts, don't let complexity get in the way of just this,

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<v Speaker 5>And it lands him on network TV and gets some

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<v Speaker 5>glowing profiles in elite media despite openly aiming to tackle

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<v Speaker 5>questions way beyond his depth and and how he doesn't

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<v Speaker 5>operate on a level of rationality.

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<v Speaker 1>Zooming through the description of the preliminary part.

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<v Speaker 2>Of this, he says, I've heard that side of the.

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<v Speaker 4>Story, but he's not obligating to exp explain why the

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<v Speaker 4>other side of the story is wrong, because right and wrong,

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<v Speaker 4>true and untrue do not move him. This is what

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<v Speaker 4>I wanted to get to, because this is the umbrella

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<v Speaker 4>over every topic we've talked about this segment, from the

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<v Speaker 4>LA firefighters to soldiers, to illegal immigrants we were talking

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<v Speaker 4>about earlier, the sanctuary cities. You've got literal child rapists

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<v Speaker 4>and they won't tell the feds. Hey, we've got to

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<v Speaker 4>let this child rapist out. He's an illegal immigrant. Let's

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<v Speaker 4>get him out of the country to protect all Americans

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<v Speaker 4>or other immigrants. But they don't want to talk about

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<v Speaker 4>those facts. And here's where fort Gang gets to his

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<v Speaker 4>main point about Coats. And you're going to recognize this

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<v Speaker 4>among so many progressives. And this is the reason we

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<v Speaker 4>call California cal un cornea where realism.

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<v Speaker 2>Goes to die.

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<v Speaker 4>Fort Gang REGs his writings are romantic works. They fit

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<v Speaker 4>perfectly the Encyclopedia Britannica explanation of the late eighteenth century

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<v Speaker 4>rejection of Enlightenment rationalism. Romanticism quote emphasized the individual, the subjective,

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<v Speaker 4>the irrational, the imaginative, the personal, the spontaneous, the emotional,

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<v Speaker 4>the visionary, and the transcendental. Coat's idea is to stir

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<v Speaker 4>feelings such that you could say, I don't care what

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<v Speaker 4>arguments you give, I feel the conclusions in my bones,

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<v Speaker 4>and nothing will move.

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<v Speaker 2>Me from it. Clearly true. How many times have you

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<v Speaker 2>run into people like that?

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<v Speaker 1>The very idea that the conflict he's talking about Israel

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<v Speaker 1>Hamas could be complicated, says Coates, is horse ass. He

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<v Speaker 1>repeatedly writes that nothing could justify the status quo in Israel.

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<v Speaker 1>Really nothing, not even wars of annihilation, genocidal terror groups.

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<v Speaker 1>You could that babies and murder entire families in their beds.

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<v Speaker 2>That doesn't justify the status quo.

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<v Speaker 4>A rationalist sees both sides and tries to propose a

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<v Speaker 4>proper balance between Israel's security concerns and Palestinian's dignity interests.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, that's reasonable.

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<v Speaker 4>A romantic feels the whole situation is wrong and refuses

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<v Speaker 4>to entertain evidence that his feelings might not tell the

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<v Speaker 4>whole story, and proposes overhauling all of it. Categorical refusal

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<v Speaker 4>to even acknowledge facts or arguments that contradict ones intuitions

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<v Speaker 4>animates so much of our public discourse on race, gender, crime,

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<v Speaker 4>about just about anything that can arouse human passions, and it.

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<v Speaker 2>Marks our cultural trends.

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<v Speaker 4>The subjective has pride of place over empirical, the feelings

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<v Speaker 4>and the unverifiable over the logical.

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<v Speaker 2>He is the leader of It. Doesn't matter what your

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<v Speaker 2>facts are.

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<v Speaker 4>This is what I feel, which is no way to

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<v Speaker 4>run a society, man.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, My lived experience is more important than the fact. Right, Yeah, God,

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<v Speaker 1>you cannot govern with that. You really can't. No, it

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<v Speaker 1>was taken hold of a lot of places. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>has because.

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<v Speaker 2>It feels good.

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<v Speaker 1>For one thing, it makes people feel really self righteous,

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<v Speaker 1>and if their peer group are also romantics, they get

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<v Speaker 1>loads and loads of ego gratification by spouting the nonsense

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<v Speaker 1>you're right, way to go, man, way to go. We

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<v Speaker 1>got to take a break. But I'm looking at the

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<v Speaker 1>TV and Richard Blumenthal, Senator, Democratic Senator, is questioning Pete Hegseth.

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<v Speaker 1>The fact that he everybody just ignores the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>he pretended he was some sort of Vietnam hero and

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<v Speaker 1>it was a complete lie.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Now Dolan valor and now he gets to question incomings

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<v Speaker 1>deaths with some authority is just amazing, including one guy

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<v Speaker 1>who actually served and served honorably. Wow, that's some story anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>Any highlights from that, we'll have for you. Another stuff

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<v Speaker 1>come on up. This whole TikTok train and keeps getting

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<v Speaker 1>more complicated, and yet another app from the same company

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't doing a similar thing. Would it get around the

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<v Speaker 1>law anyway? Maybe we'll have to talk about that later.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Yeah, there's a lot to be said, but we

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<v Speaker 4>will hang in there and get to it when we

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<v Speaker 4>can Pete Hegseeth is testifying in from the Senate right

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<v Speaker 4>now about his nomination to be Secretary of Defense, and

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<v Speaker 4>he said some really great things so far, and man,

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<v Speaker 4>he unleashed on the news media, let's hear it.

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<v Speaker 6>And time and time again, stories would come out and

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<v Speaker 6>people would reach out to me and say, you know, I've.

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<v Speaker 2>Spoken to this reporter about who you really.

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<v Speaker 6>Are, and I was willing to go on the record,

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<v Speaker 6>but they didn't print my quote, print any of my quotes.

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<v Speaker 6>Or I've worked with you for ten years, or I

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<v Speaker 6>was your accountant, or I was your chief operating officer,

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<v Speaker 6>or I was your board member, or I was with

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<v Speaker 6>you on one hundred different tour stops for Concerned Veterans

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<v Speaker 6>for America. No one called me, no one asked about

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<v Speaker 6>your conduct on the record or off the record. Instead,

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<v Speaker 6>a small handful of anonymous sources were allowed to drive

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<v Speaker 6>a smear campaign an agenda about me because our left

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<v Speaker 6>wing media in America today sadly doesn't care about the truth.

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<v Speaker 6>All they were out to do, mister Chairman, was to

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<v Speaker 6>destroy me. And why do they want to destroy me?

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<v Speaker 6>Because I'm a change agent and a threat to them?

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<v Speaker 6>Because Donald Trump was willing to choose me, to empower

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<v Speaker 6>me to bring the Defense Department back to what it

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<v Speaker 6>really should be.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is war fighting.

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<v Speaker 1>That's some of it. Trump could have named anybody and

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<v Speaker 1>they would have made up all kinds of crap to

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<v Speaker 1>try to bring him down just because it's Trump. That

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<v Speaker 1>includes today, By the way, New York Times, they're big,

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<v Speaker 1>splashy front page story today was how the FBI didn't

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<v Speaker 1>do a real background check. And MSNBC is walled wall

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<v Speaker 1>on this story and then interviewing every Democrat. Can you

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<v Speaker 1>believe the FBI didn't do a full background check? I

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<v Speaker 1>know it's outrageous. Since when does the FBI not do

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<v Speaker 1>full But it's all based on some unnamed sources who

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<v Speaker 1>claim the FBI didn't do a full background check. So

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<v Speaker 1>once again it's that same story. Yeah, I'm not sure what.

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<v Speaker 2>To think about.

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<v Speaker 4>Pete Heigsath is sect def I love your ideas, but

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<v Speaker 4>this is I think this is a bigger issue we've had.

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<v Speaker 4>This soco media change from an anonymous source, especially if

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<v Speaker 4>it's just like one or two, is very very thin

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<v Speaker 4>gruel to base a story on, particularly a story of

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<v Speaker 4>any importance, and it probably shouldn't be done, and somebody's

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<v Speaker 4>got to have a great reason to remain anonymous, and

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<v Speaker 4>I still publish the story.

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<v Speaker 2>We've gone from that too.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely any half wit, crack pot or mental illness case.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking about Judge Kavanaugh's hearings.

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<v Speaker 4>Who is willing to trot anything out even if there's

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<v Speaker 4>contradictory evidence. That's more than good enough because it's exciting.

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<v Speaker 4>So it is a media failing, as Hegzeth was saying,

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<v Speaker 4>But we as a society have to understand that it's

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<v Speaker 4>not the way it used to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Now they'll trot out.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolute crap and we just have to say, no, you

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<v Speaker 4>name your sources, let's hear him talk on the record,

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<v Speaker 4>or I don't care what you just wrote.

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<v Speaker 1>New York Times article centers around one of the stories

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<v Speaker 1>floating around about Pete that he is accused of committing

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of sexual crime in which at the time

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<v Speaker 1>no charges were filed when the police were looking at it,

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<v Speaker 1>and Pete Heggsath wasn't sec def nominee. And this woman

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<v Speaker 1>claims that the FBI did not interview her. It's possible

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<v Speaker 1>they got all the information they needed without interviewing, or

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<v Speaker 1>and thought she's a nut.

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<v Speaker 2>I have no idea. Right could be the eye of

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<v Speaker 2>the beholder. No, I have no idea.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think he can be cynical enough about a

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<v Speaker 4>couple anonymous sources.

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<v Speaker 1>Please, This thing about bringing back duels, the idea of

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<v Speaker 1>dueling is really interesting. Among other things we got on

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<v Speaker 1>the way, so stay tuned, Armstrong.

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<v Speaker 7>And Getty, And finally, Duncan has partnered with a personal

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<v Speaker 7>and body wash in a Boston cream scent. And in

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<v Speaker 7>a related story, ben Affleck has.

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<v Speaker 2>Been eaten by ants. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>So Pete Hegxath is on the hill being grilled should

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<v Speaker 1>he be second deaf or not? The senators are trying

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<v Speaker 1>to advise and confirm or not. And we'll have a

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<v Speaker 1>clip of that coming up in a little bit where

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<v Speaker 1>they get into women in combat, which is clearly one

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<v Speaker 1>of the knocks the Democrats are going with this segment,

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<v Speaker 1>Joe is going to talk about young people not drinking

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<v Speaker 1>as much and whether that's good, and I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about bringing back duels.

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<v Speaker 2>How did I get it here?

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<v Speaker 1>So I've been mentioning that I'm reading this book called

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<v Speaker 1>Paris and Ruins, about the year eighteen seventy to eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy one in Paris. I got started on that by

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<v Speaker 1>when I was in Washington, d C. I went to

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<v Speaker 1>the National Art Museum, one of the great museum's art

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<v Speaker 1>museums in the world. It's among the Big Seven or

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<v Speaker 1>whatever they call them, and they had a display just

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<v Speaker 1>coincidentally of Paris eighteen seventy there going on, and because

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<v Speaker 1>it was December, instead of standing in a long line,

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<v Speaker 1>I just walked up and looked at everything, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was all about the Impressionists in eighteen seventy and the

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<v Speaker 1>role they played in politics in that what they call

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<v Speaker 1>that horrible year in France where they went to war

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<v Speaker 1>with Russia and then had violence in the streets and

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<v Speaker 1>Napoleon the Third was driven from the country and they

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<v Speaker 1>had a revolution and it was really really rough time,

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<v Speaker 1>lots of.

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<v Speaker 2>Deaths, et cetera, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 1>But at one point in the book it mentions, I believe,

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<v Speaker 1>not Monette but Manet, the father Impressionism, having a duel

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<v Speaker 1>with some other dude, and the way they described the

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<v Speaker 1>duel and how they all ended up laughing about it

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<v Speaker 1>and drinking afterwards and everything like that. And I thought,

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<v Speaker 1>how weird that dueling ever was a thing ever? And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I mean it killed Alexander Hamilton. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just so crazy that dueling ever became a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Then I come across this in the New York Times

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<v Speaker 1>the other day. I've never read a book by Randall Collins.

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<v Speaker 1>He is a sociologist who, according to this New York

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<v Speaker 1>Times review, is brilliant and has written many, many fantastic

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<v Speaker 1>books that I have got to get into. And his

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<v Speaker 1>latest book is called Violence, among his master works of sociology,

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<v Speaker 1>Listen to this. It is a work of lucid and

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<v Speaker 1>compelling theory that attempts to clarify when and why moments

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<v Speaker 1>of tension erupt into actual violence, as in, what are

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<v Speaker 1>the conditions that caused the first punch to be thrown

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<v Speaker 1>at a bar fight instead of the conflict dissolving into

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<v Speaker 1>slurred threats? Or what causes two children to come to

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<v Speaker 1>blows in the playground instead of shuffling to opposite sides

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<v Speaker 1>of the sandbox. He covers domestic abuse, boxing matches, pillow fights,

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<v Speaker 1>prison violence, excessive police force, soccer, hooligan's crowd violence, mosh pits,

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<v Speaker 1>the Nine to eleven cockpit fight and more, which sounds

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<v Speaker 1>just fascinating.

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<v Speaker 2>That's wide ranging.

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<v Speaker 1>And then this which I want to at least read

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<v Speaker 1>this portion of the book, Collins, the author sincerely unconvincingly

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<v Speaker 1>suggests that drug gangs organize pistol duels instead of resorting

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<v Speaker 1>to chaotic drive by shootings and street fights. And I

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<v Speaker 1>read a little more about that, and yes, it was

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<v Speaker 1>a way that developed over time to deal with the whole.

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<v Speaker 1>You've insulted my manhood. I can't put up with this,

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<v Speaker 1>and found a way to like really narrow it down

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<v Speaker 1>to very little violence or no violence at all, as

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<v Speaker 1>opposed to you got to drive by some houts and

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<v Speaker 1>spray off a bunch of shots or set it on

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<v Speaker 1>fire back in the day or whatever you would do,

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<v Speaker 1>and every things get completely out of hand. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a way to manage the whole.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>He gave me a hard lick look in this kind

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<v Speaker 1>stand situation.

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<v Speaker 4>So you had one hat Field and one McCoy square

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<v Speaker 4>of bite, and everybody considers it.

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<v Speaker 1>Done right, considers it over. It has been dealt with,

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<v Speaker 1>so that doesn't have to go on for weeks or

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<v Speaker 1>months or years. Now another it's another Chesterton's fence. To me,

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't understand how this arose in society. It clearly

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<v Speaker 1>serves a purpose. I don't think there's any bringing it back.

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<v Speaker 1>But how much better would that be if the bloods

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<v Speaker 1>and the crips are the the whatever Ms thirteen or

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<v Speaker 1>whoever the heck had some sort of system of dueling

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<v Speaker 1>where you settled these sorts of beefs one on one.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you shoot over their head, maybe a guy dies,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's, like you said, over and done with.

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<v Speaker 2>Fascinating, go back to selling drugs to school children.

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<v Speaker 1>Fascinating culturally though that Yes, somehow a rose a pressure

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<v Speaker 1>valve release that was less damaging to society.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, right, if we let this go, it's going to

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<v Speaker 4>get completely out of control to an unjustified scale.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's settle this.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, how interesting. Our time is the opposite of that,

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<v Speaker 4>just to any and it's it's interesting how hypocritical all

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<v Speaker 4>of this is because a lot of the very you know,

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<v Speaker 4>political forces that decry violence are more than willing to

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<v Speaker 4>participate in it given half an excuse.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the example with the two painters.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I can wreck a city, I can burn

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<v Speaker 1>down stores, I can assault cops. I can beat down

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<v Speaker 1>anybody who gets in my way, but if a cop

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<v Speaker 1>raises a billy club, that's a horror that cannot be tolerated, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the example of the duel with the painter

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<v Speaker 1>and somebody else was he had slept with his other

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<v Speaker 1>guy had slept with his girlfriend or something like that,

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<v Speaker 1>which could have, you know, and like in a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of gangs, could erupt into maybe years long battles with

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds dead and more injured. Or you deal with it

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<v Speaker 1>just two people that you to each other. It's over.

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<v Speaker 1>My honor has been saved. We're done with it, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And I let you save your honor, so I'm off

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<v Speaker 1>the hook too. My main point with this is not

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<v Speaker 1>just duels, it's just culture and the way human beings

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<v Speaker 1>and societies come to remedies and then we forget them

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<v Speaker 1>somehow and have to start over once again. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is you know, a wiser man than me ought to

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<v Speaker 1>take on this topic. But it's better to have the

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<v Speaker 1>passive acceptance of fifty times more violence than to actively

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<v Speaker 1>participate in a very small amount of violence to protect

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<v Speaker 1>to prevent, rather that fifty times as much violence. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So you sins of omission are like okay to the

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<v Speaker 1>nth degree, but a single sin of co mission is

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<v Speaker 1>completely verboten. That's interesting, I thought. So that's some thought

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<v Speaker 1>provoking sis nizzle right there, folks. Okay, those of you

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<v Speaker 1>come for the jokes about people's you know, private parts

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<v Speaker 1>are probably a little confused.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Thought for voking drinking less, you say yes they No,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't, but yes they are, as it turns out,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think after a break we can talk about that.

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<v Speaker 2>It is.

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<v Speaker 4>Weirdly connected to the previous discussion, but they're drinking way

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<v Speaker 4>less and it's probably a bad thing, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, I know where you're going with this.

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<v Speaker 1>But as a guy who's got a couple of teenagers

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<v Speaker 1>who I don't particularly want drinking a lot's an interesting topic.

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<v Speaker 1>And we got some highlights from the pig pete hegzef

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<v Speaker 1>hearing as they're getting into women in combat and all

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of different subjects today.

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<v Speaker 2>Stick around, I hope you can.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's TikTok video the other day with a mom

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<v Speaker 1>and a van with their kids driving into school, jam

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<v Speaker 1>in this tune and they're all singing along, and I thought,

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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of funny A bunch of little kids singing

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<v Speaker 1>about getting drunk in the afternoon.

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<v Speaker 2>That's funny, Jack, Because gen Z is ditching the Booze Mordicum. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So, Pete Hegzith, Trump's nominee to be Secretary of Defense

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<v Speaker 1>is being grilled right now by Tim Kain. Maybe remember him,

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<v Speaker 1>Hillary Clinton's running mate, wanted to be vice president. And

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<v Speaker 1>all I do, I'm just reading the words up on

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<v Speaker 1>the screen. I haven't heard it. Yeah, we're gonna go

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<v Speaker 1>big on this. An Hour four had some stuff on there.

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<v Speaker 1>He's saying to Pete, you cheated on your wife, you

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<v Speaker 1>had an affair, you claim Jesus as your Lord and savior.

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<v Speaker 2>That's just all the stuff I read. So that's getting

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<v Speaker 2>some pretty personal stuff right there.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, Wow, Wow, fireworks and substantive and important discussion of

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<v Speaker 4>what the nature of our fighting forces ought to be

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<v Speaker 4>in the way the Pentagon ought to be run.

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<v Speaker 1>So something for everyone will go big next hour.

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<v Speaker 4>GRAVI it later via podcast, subscribe to Armstrong and getting

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<v Speaker 4>on demand. So gen Z is ditching Booze. Now, this

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<v Speaker 4>piece is kind of new York centric. They're talking about

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<v Speaker 4>how zoomers want a wild night on the town, they

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<v Speaker 4>won't wake up regretting. Instead, young adults are getting the

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<v Speaker 4>social fixes. It's sober friendly gathering hubs and alcohol free

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<v Speaker 4>bars that have been sprouting up in which some say

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<v Speaker 4>is a sign of changing times.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, clearly, the times are always changing. That's what happens

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<v Speaker 1>with times, says. Oh, they quote a bunch of we're

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to call them zoomers.

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<v Speaker 2>Do I have to what does that mean? Generation? Z Okay?

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<v Speaker 4>Anyway, they quote a bunch of twenty somethings, including aid

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<v Speaker 4>In spelled really weirdly, age twenty two. I think our

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<v Speaker 4>generation is very aware, like a lot of us are activists,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think that awareness influences our junkie habits.

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<v Speaker 2>You're right, they drink more.

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<v Speaker 4>With all the stuff we're hearing about the world constantly,

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<v Speaker 4>you'd think we'd want a distraction, But I think our

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<v Speaker 4>phones are distraction enough, so we don't need as much alcohol.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Aiden, here's some absence. I have a good time.

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<v Speaker 4>And they go into describing these various game clubs and

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<v Speaker 4>alcohol free bars and stuff. Here's another youngster, you're real

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<v Speaker 4>age twenty six, they may with a normal name. No,

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<v Speaker 4>When people of the previous generation think of drinking, they

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<v Speaker 4>think of binge drinking. They think of going to a bar,

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<v Speaker 4>slamming back twelve drinks and being hammered the next night.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, why are you speaking for me, sweetheart?

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<v Speaker 4>They think of the idea of cracking up in a

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<v Speaker 4>six pack before they go to bed.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what, this is the mirror image of something

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<v Speaker 1>else that's unpalatable. So as you get older, everybody has

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<v Speaker 1>a tendency to think the current young crop of kids

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<v Speaker 1>are just going to ruin the America.

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<v Speaker 2>They're just degenerates.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the flip side of that is every new

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<v Speaker 1>young group of people think the superior to.

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<v Speaker 2>All the people older than them. Both of those things

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<v Speaker 2>are hard to take.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a thousands year old tradition as a matter of fact, right,

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<v Speaker 1>says twenty three year old Lee spelled weird too.

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<v Speaker 2>I do drink.

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<v Speaker 1>When I do, I'll probably have like one drunk. Says Kathleen, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>a normal name quote. I think people in my generation

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<v Speaker 1>are more conscious of their health and don't say drinking

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<v Speaker 1>as a social obligation.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>In defense of these youngsters, some reporter ask them, why

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<v Speaker 1>do you even ask them? They don't know anything. They're young,

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<v Speaker 1>they're dumb. But there are statistics to back up. The

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<v Speaker 1>bellies are flat and they're good looking, so there are

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<v Speaker 1>statistics to back this up, though, right the young people

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<v Speaker 1>would one hundred percent. Oh yeah, it's it's been a

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<v Speaker 1>cataclysmic for the hard liquor industry. Beer has plummeted, even

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<v Speaker 1>the you're like white claw type hard ciders and seltzers

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff that were.

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<v Speaker 2>So hot what ten years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>If you listen to if you listen to country music,

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<v Speaker 1>every young person in America is drinking whiskey and white

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<v Speaker 1>claw all day long.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, well not so much apparently.

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<v Speaker 4>Anyway, I thought that was interesting, and you know, everybody

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<v Speaker 4>colding in the article pitches it as laimar hathe and al,

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<v Speaker 4>and I was reminded of an absolutely brilliant piece I

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<v Speaker 4>read by kat Rosenfield, who was writing for The Free Press,

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<v Speaker 4>and she opens it. I can't resist because it's one

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<v Speaker 4>of my favorite scenes too, and it's not just because

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<v Speaker 4>I'm a drinking man. She talks about towards the end

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<v Speaker 4>of the Lord of the Rings trilogy, after all, the

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<v Speaker 4>adventuring is done, and they're back at the Shire, and

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<v Speaker 4>Frodo and Sam and Pippen and Marry are drinking at

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<v Speaker 4>the local pub. Anybody who's seen the movies remembers the scene,

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<v Speaker 4>and Sam, who has courted death and adventured over the world,

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<v Speaker 4>sees the girl he's always had a crush on, and

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<v Speaker 4>you can see in his eyes I've had these adventures.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna go ask her out. But first he takes

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<v Speaker 4>a big swig of his ale or whatever they're.

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<v Speaker 2>Drinking, whatever Hobbit's drink.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, he throws back his pint and she in Cat writes,

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<v Speaker 4>this moment is good because so many of us recognize it.

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<v Speaker 4>Many of our best and bravest moments started with a

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<v Speaker 4>shot or two of liquid courage. And yet contemporary narratives

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<v Speaker 4>about young people in drinking are all markedly and overwhelmingly

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<v Speaker 4>negative optimizers.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the term I never use.

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<v Speaker 4>Warned that alcohol is an addictive poison, activists cite the

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<v Speaker 4>link between drinking and sexual assault, and young celebrities who

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<v Speaker 4>might have once made headlines for partying can instead be

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<v Speaker 4>touting the benefits of sobriety.

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<v Speaker 2>And she has links to the various.

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<v Speaker 1>Art Why did you quote some things that are true

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<v Speaker 1>for a tiny percentage of people, as if that's everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, what's the point of.

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<v Speaker 1>That tiny percentages of what tiny percentage of drinkers become alcoholics?

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<v Speaker 1>Tiny percentage of drinkers commit you know, crimes or die

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<v Speaker 1>of some you know, alcohol related cancer, or get raped

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever. But then cat gets on to the point

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<v Speaker 1>that I think is really really good in spite of

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<v Speaker 1>the narrative that be old the Zoomers in their glorious

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<v Speaker 1>sobriety so much smarter, healthier, and more sensible than the

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<v Speaker 1>sloppy barfing generations.

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<v Speaker 2>That preceded them.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that's good writing, because that's the only kind of

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<v Speaker 1>drinking you can do, sloppy barfing drinking. But scratch the

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<v Speaker 1>surface of gen Z's sobriety, and what you find isn't

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<v Speaker 1>wisdom so much as fear. Fear of vulnerability, fear of failure,

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<v Speaker 1>fear of being out of control.

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<v Speaker 2>And we're not talking about completely out of control.

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<v Speaker 4>But out of complete, total, every second control. This is

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<v Speaker 4>a generation that is both highly conflict diverse and virtually

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<v Speaker 4>allergic to risk, particularly when it comes to markers of

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<v Speaker 4>autonomous adulthood, driving, working, sex, going out for a few drinks.

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<v Speaker 2>They are terrified of all of that stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Working is a problem because you kind of have to

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<v Speaker 1>work to support yourself. But I was gonna ask, I said,

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to say, is this tie in anything

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<v Speaker 1>to lack of willingness to want to get a driver's license,

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<v Speaker 1>your lack of willingness to want to drink?

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<v Speaker 2>One hundred percent?

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<v Speaker 4>The bosses of gen Z employees report that they can't

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<v Speaker 4>make eye contact, they can't take criticism, and even ask

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<v Speaker 4>questions when they don't know how to or they're even

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<v Speaker 4>afraid to ask questions if they don't know how to

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<v Speaker 4>do something.

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<v Speaker 1>Using the word vey a lot. Always got to throw

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<v Speaker 1>this in on the Armstrong and Getty show. They didn't

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<v Speaker 1>raise themselves exactly exactly. And I'm you know, I'm always

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<v Speaker 1>heading there with my free range parenting screed.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh, but this generation after you know what? To that point,

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<v Speaker 4>Cat Rosenfield writes this inability to tolerate the friction of

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<v Speaker 4>ordinary interaction at worker elsewhere as an obstacle when it

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<v Speaker 4>comes to connecting with others. But more, perhaps more importantly,

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<v Speaker 4>it stands in the way of fun, a thing with

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<v Speaker 4>which Zoomers are not well acquainted. After a highly regimented

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<v Speaker 4>childhood and an overscheduled adolescence, not their faults.

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<v Speaker 2>Packed with resume building activities.

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<v Speaker 1>This generation isn't just more anxile and depressed them their predecessors.

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<v Speaker 1>They're so tightly wound and mistrustful of others that they

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<v Speaker 1>would rather die than let their guard down, which rules

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<v Speaker 1>alcohol right out. I'm reminded of the famous move.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't look as the Germans for much instruction on

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<v Speaker 4>anything other than maybe building auto bonds and engineering.

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<v Speaker 2>But the German insurance industry.

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<v Speaker 1>Came out several years ago in a giant story in

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<v Speaker 1>Europe that was ignored in the US because it was

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<v Speaker 1>so uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 2>The German insurance.

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<v Speaker 4>Industry said, hey, make playgrounds fun again, and quote unquote dangerous.

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<v Speaker 4>We have raised generations of kids who have no sense

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<v Speaker 4>of their own their own abilities. They have no developed

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<v Speaker 4>risk assessment skills. All of childhood to a large extent,

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<v Speaker 4>And if you look at it as a strictly anthropological topic,

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<v Speaker 4>childhood is about gaining skills and learning risk management. And

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<v Speaker 4>if you don't let kids risk anything and fall down

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<v Speaker 4>and skin their knees and get bloodied and make mistakes

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<v Speaker 4>and get in trouble and get lost and find their

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<v Speaker 4>way back, not just once, but over and over again.

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<v Speaker 2>You're going to have adults who are terrified. That's really interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like my kids to stay away from indebriants as

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<v Speaker 1>long as possible, but I don't want them to be

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<v Speaker 1>unable to have a job, or ask a girl out

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<v Speaker 1>for a date, or call the place in order a

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<v Speaker 1>pizza or any of those things.

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<v Speaker 4>So right, would you send your kids off to college

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<v Speaker 4>having not tried alcohol?

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<v Speaker 1>I went off to college having not tried alcohol, and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't get me any harm. But yeah, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think that bothers me. It depends on I guess it

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<v Speaker 1>would be the reason. Are you afraid of it? Well?

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<v Speaker 2>Right, right, I don't think I was afraid of it.

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<v Speaker 1>I just didn't run with a crowd that did that,

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<v Speaker 1>and everything went great.

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<v Speaker 2>Or not depends on the individual.

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<v Speaker 4>Of course, my daughters knew what alcohol does to them

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<v Speaker 4>before they went to college.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that was important. Hum interesting.

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