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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center.

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Speaker 2: Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty, I'm strong and get kid

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Speaker 2: and he armstrong and Yetty.

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Speaker 3: With regards to the situation in Gaza, the President, echoing

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Speaker 3: what US officials have been saying, both in private and

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Speaker 3: in public over the last twenty four hours, suggesting that

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Speaker 3: a deal could be reached sometime soon, that it could

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Speaker 3: be on the cusp of being announced. You know, it's

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Speaker 3: been a really long time since we have heard this

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Speaker 3: kind of optimism, at least coming from inside the Biden administration.

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Speaker 3: But sources have been telling us over the last day

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Speaker 3: or so that they do believe a deal could be

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Speaker 3: announced for a ceasefire in Gaza and the release of

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Speaker 3: hostages from Gaza in the next coming days, in.

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Speaker 1: The next couple of days. Yeah, and those two things

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Speaker 1: go together. They're going to give back the hostages and

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Speaker 1: Israel is going to agree to pull their troops out

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Speaker 1: of Gaza. And even the New York Times says this

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Speaker 1: is all being instigated, pushed by the looming deadline of

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Speaker 1: Biden not being president and Trump being president, And even

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Speaker 1: the New York Times includes Trump warning quote, all hell

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Speaker 1: to pay unless the hostages are freed by the day

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Speaker 1: he becomes president. And apparently Hamas believes that's true.

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Speaker 4: Right, Well, I would suggest a huge dose of trust,

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Speaker 4: yet verify even in thinking about this alleged agreement. First

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Speaker 4: of all, it has to actually be agreed to. Frameworks

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Speaker 4: have a history of falling apart in this region. But secondly,

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Speaker 4: because I do believe Trump's threats are a legitimate and

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Speaker 4: be motivating the hell out of the scumbags and a

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Speaker 4: mass to make a deal. But then there's the question

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Speaker 4: of implementing it and having everybody live up to their

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Speaker 4: side of the agreement.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure extremely skeptical.

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Speaker 1: Being mediated by Katar, Egypt and the United States, and

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Speaker 1: obviously Israel and Hamas are involved with their own particular

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Speaker 1: needs and everything like that. I gotta believe Katar and

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Speaker 1: Egypt are saying to Hamas, look, the jig is up, right,

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Speaker 1: do you want to be pumpled into dust? Or?

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Speaker 2: I mean, what are you going to gain out of that? Right? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I would certainly hope.

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Speaker 1: So I'm more optimistic than you for no reason other

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Speaker 1: than it just has echoes of nineteen seventy nine nineteen

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Speaker 1: from Iran and a brand new administration that looks like

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Speaker 1: a hard ass. Everybody thinks, Okay, there's a new sheriff

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm I am really interested to hear what the

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Speaker 4: provisions are for a ceasefire from Israel's point of view,

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Speaker 4: because they still and they no longer suffer under any

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Speaker 4: delusions about this, they are still facing an enemy that

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Speaker 4: has sworn to wipe them off the face of the

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Speaker 4: earth in their founding charter.

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Speaker 2: So it's difficult to strike up a.

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Speaker 1: Deal for long term harmony with somebody who answers that description.

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Speaker 1: They are not near as tough as they were before,

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Speaker 1: and they don't have the backing of their really only supporter,

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Speaker 1: Iran anymore because Iran is barely functioning themselves as a military.

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Speaker 1: And to me, the big story is do Israel and

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Speaker 1: the United States together either take out that nuclear program

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Speaker 1: in Iran or go full regime change. I think both

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Speaker 1: of them are on the table, and who knows what Trump.

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Speaker 4: I would agree, I would agree, And this is the

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Speaker 4: contrast between Trump, for better or worse and Biden is

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Speaker 4: I think Trump and his people get that doing nothing

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Speaker 4: is to do something absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Barack Obama did not understand that at all. Don't do

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Speaker 1: stupid s was his motto. Well, not reacting to Bushar

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Speaker 1: al Asad's chemical weapons is stupid s. It led to

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Speaker 1: more bad things things.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, constant passivity is some of the stupidest ask you

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Speaker 4: can do. So a completely different topic, well, it's tangisially related.

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Speaker 4: I guess there are a handful of things that have

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Speaker 4: come together in my head. Pete Haggs, that's hearing is

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Speaker 4: going on right now in front of the Senate between

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Speaker 4: the idiot protesters and the tough questioning of him and

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Speaker 4: his force full advocacy of a more fighting, man oriented

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Speaker 4: military as opposed to a giant, bloated bureaucracy. That's a

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Speaker 4: jobs program. I'm loving that discussion. You have the LA

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Speaker 4: fire situation where Karen Bass and Gavin Newsom are trying

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Speaker 4: to blame it on climate change when their preparedness was

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Speaker 4: terrible over the years and over the previous months, and

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Speaker 4: Karen Bass going to Ghana for no good reason just

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Speaker 4: jobs program for women because not enough women want to

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Speaker 4: be fire It's just ridiculous. I didn't realize till yesterday.

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Speaker 4: So hear, trip to Ghana. Okay, you're gonna go somewhere,

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Speaker 4: find whatever. That doesn't bother me. Politicians bank all kinds

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Speaker 4: of trips I hate and everything like that.

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Speaker 1: She got there, the fire started, and she stayed. She

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Speaker 1: didn't even leave early. Now that's.

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Speaker 2: Criminal.

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Speaker 1: I mean, well, that's not criminal, it's malpractice. Oh and

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Speaker 1: again it was just a celebrity junket. There was no

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Speaker 1: reason for her to be there whatsoever other than a vacation.

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Speaker 1: But I'm thinking about, you know, the LA firefighters, how

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Speaker 1: they have done this big DEI thing to get more

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Speaker 1: women firefighters can not that many women want to be firefighters?

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Speaker 2: And who cares? If who cares?

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Speaker 4: How many women? How many firefighters in LA County or

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Speaker 2: Who cares? Anybody? Only these activists do gooders.

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Speaker 4: It's possible not many women want to be And has

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Speaker 4: there been a fire victim in the history of fires,

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Speaker 4: or a medical emergency for that matter, maybe excepting giving

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Speaker 4: birth by the freeway? Has there ever been a person

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Speaker 4: as the firefighters are fighting to put out the fire

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Speaker 4: that's going to reduce your home Dash who said, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's cool that they're doing this, but man, I'd like

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Speaker 4: to see some more diversity.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think we've gone so far the wrong direction.

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Speaker 1: We should flip it around. Is there do you know

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Speaker 1: anybody that seems to be in favor of rejecting a

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Speaker 1: woman who's otherwise qualified physically to do the job?

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Speaker 2: I course not.

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Speaker 1: I don't know a single human being that, just from

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Speaker 1: a misogynistic sexist standpoint, wouldn't want a qualified woman to

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Speaker 1: be a firefighter, right, nobody. I've never heard anybody even

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Speaker 1: come close to that opinion. Yet we've gone so far

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Speaker 1: the other direction, as if that's the norm to bring

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Speaker 1: in people that aren't qualified in the military and firefighting

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Speaker 1: cops and all kinds of different examples, you know.

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Speaker 2: And this is such a good topic.

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Speaker 4: I was actually heading towards going to a more thirty

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Speaker 4: thousand foot view of it, but I liked it. I

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Speaker 4: have heard people say the sexual dynamics in like combat, sure,

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Speaker 4: a combat unit could could be difficult, or managing a

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Speaker 4: submarine for instance. So and that's a legitimate discussion because

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Speaker 4: as Pete Hegseath is forcibly trying to point out in

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Speaker 4: front of the Senate, it's about preparedness for war and

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Speaker 4: winning war. It's not a damn jobs program. What is

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Speaker 4: your first purpose to winning conflict?

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Speaker 2: Anyway?

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Speaker 4: Having said that, I've been reading there's a great piece

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Speaker 4: by the editors of the National Review about the British

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Speaker 4: rape gang's scandal and how horrific it is and one

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Speaker 4: of the most horrific aspects, well, every aspect of it's horrific,

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Speaker 4: come to think of it. But they go fairly into depth,

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Speaker 4: and I wish we had time with how the local

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Speaker 4: and national governments covered up for all of this, the

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Speaker 4: rape of children, refrained from pursuing justice to avenge the

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Speaker 4: rape of children, to avoid endangering quote. And this is

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Speaker 4: one particular city, Rotherham's qualities of diversity and harmony, of

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Speaker 4: commit unity relationships because the rapists were primarily Muslims of

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Speaker 4: Pakistani heritage. Anyway, we'll go bigger on that at some point.

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Speaker 4: But the thing I really wanted to get to is

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Speaker 4: another great piece I read by a fellow by the

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Speaker 4: name of tal Fortgang, who's a hey, he's a thinker

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Speaker 4: and a writer, but he's talking about tan of Hissig

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Speaker 4: or Tana Hashi. How are your supposed to pronounce his

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Speaker 4: his adopted name, coats recent book The Message, and what

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Speaker 4: a load of crap it is because any time it

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Speaker 4: he just.

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Speaker 2: Says, Look, don't get caught up in.

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Speaker 5: Facts, don't let complexity get in the way of just this,

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Speaker 5: And it lands him on network TV and gets some

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Speaker 5: glowing profiles in elite media despite openly aiming to tackle

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Speaker 5: questions way beyond his depth and and how he doesn't

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Speaker 5: operate on a level of rationality.

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Speaker 1: Zooming through the description of the preliminary part.

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Speaker 2: Of this, he says, I've heard that side of the.

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Speaker 4: Story, but he's not obligating to exp explain why the

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Speaker 4: other side of the story is wrong, because right and wrong,

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Speaker 4: true and untrue do not move him. This is what

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Speaker 4: I wanted to get to, because this is the umbrella

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Speaker 4: over every topic we've talked about this segment, from the

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Speaker 4: LA firefighters to soldiers, to illegal immigrants we were talking

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Speaker 4: about earlier, the sanctuary cities. You've got literal child rapists

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Speaker 4: and they won't tell the feds. Hey, we've got to

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Speaker 4: let this child rapist out. He's an illegal immigrant. Let's

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Speaker 4: get him out of the country to protect all Americans

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Speaker 4: or other immigrants. But they don't want to talk about

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Speaker 4: those facts. And here's where fort Gang gets to his

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Speaker 4: call California cal un cornea where realism.

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Speaker 2: Goes to die.

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Speaker 4: Fort Gang REGs his writings are romantic works. They fit

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Speaker 4: perfectly the Encyclopedia Britannica explanation of the late eighteenth century

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Speaker 4: rejection of Enlightenment rationalism. Romanticism quote emphasized the individual, the subjective,

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Speaker 4: the visionary, and the transcendental. Coat's idea is to stir

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Speaker 4: feelings such that you could say, I don't care what

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Speaker 4: arguments you give, I feel the conclusions in my bones,

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Speaker 4: and nothing will move.

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Speaker 2: Me from it. Clearly true. How many times have you

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Speaker 2: run into people like that?

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Speaker 1: The very idea that the conflict he's talking about Israel

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Speaker 1: Hamas could be complicated, says Coates, is horse ass. He

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Speaker 1: repeatedly writes that nothing could justify the status quo in Israel.

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Speaker 1: Really nothing, not even wars of annihilation, genocidal terror groups.

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Speaker 1: You could that babies and murder entire families in their beds.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't justify the status quo.

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Speaker 4: A rationalist sees both sides and tries to propose a

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Speaker 2: Right, that's reasonable.

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Speaker 4: A romantic feels the whole situation is wrong and refuses

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Speaker 4: to entertain evidence that his feelings might not tell the

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Speaker 4: whole story, and proposes overhauling all of it. Categorical refusal

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Speaker 4: to even acknowledge facts or arguments that contradict ones intuitions

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Speaker 4: animates so much of our public discourse on race, gender, crime,

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Speaker 4: about just about anything that can arouse human passions, and it.

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Speaker 2: Marks our cultural trends.

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Speaker 4: The subjective has pride of place over empirical, the feelings

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Speaker 4: and the unverifiable over the logical.

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Speaker 2: He is the leader of It. Doesn't matter what your

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Speaker 4: This is what I feel, which is no way to

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Speaker 4: run a society, man.

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Speaker 1: Right, My lived experience is more important than the fact. Right, Yeah, God,

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Speaker 1: you cannot govern with that. You really can't. No, it

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Speaker 1: was taken hold of a lot of places. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: has because.

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Speaker 2: It feels good.

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Speaker 1: For one thing, it makes people feel really self righteous,

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Speaker 1: and if their peer group are also romantics, they get

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Speaker 1: loads and loads of ego gratification by spouting the nonsense

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Speaker 1: Please, This thing about bringing back duels, the idea of

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Speaker 1: are probably a little confused.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, I.

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Speaker 1: Thought for voking drinking less, you say yes they No,

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Speaker 1: I didn't, but yes they are, as it turns out,

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Speaker 1: and I think after a break we can talk about that.

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 4: Weirdly connected to the previous discussion, but they're drinking way

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Speaker 4: less and it's probably a bad thing, right.

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Speaker 2: I think, I know where you're going with this.

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Speaker 1: But as a guy who's got a couple of teenagers

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Speaker 1: who I don't particularly want drinking a lot's an interesting topic.

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Speaker 1: And we got some highlights from the pig pete hegzef

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Speaker 1: hearing as they're getting into women in combat and all

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Speaker 1: kinds of different subjects today.

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Speaker 2: Stick around, I hope you can.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's TikTok video the other day with a mom

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Speaker 1: and a van with their kids driving into school, jam

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Speaker 1: in this tune and they're all singing along, and I thought,

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Speaker 1: that's kind of funny A bunch of little kids singing

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Speaker 1: about getting drunk in the afternoon.

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Speaker 2: That's funny, Jack, Because gen Z is ditching the Booze Mordicum. Right.

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Speaker 1: So, Pete Hegzith, Trump's nominee to be Secretary of Defense

460
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Speaker 1: is being grilled right now by Tim Kain. Maybe remember him,

461
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Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton's running mate, wanted to be vice president. And

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Speaker 1: all I do, I'm just reading the words up on

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Speaker 1: the screen. I haven't heard it. Yeah, we're gonna go

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Speaker 1: big on this. An Hour four had some stuff on there.

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Speaker 1: He's saying to Pete, you cheated on your wife, you

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Speaker 1: had an affair, you claim Jesus as your Lord and savior.

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Speaker 2: That's just all the stuff I read. So that's getting

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Speaker 2: some pretty personal stuff right there.

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Speaker 4: Wow, Wow, Wow, fireworks and substantive and important discussion of

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Speaker 4: what the nature of our fighting forces ought to be

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Speaker 4: in the way the Pentagon ought to be run.

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Speaker 1: So something for everyone will go big next hour.

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Speaker 2: Stay tuned. If you don't get Next Hour, you got

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Speaker 2: to go somewhere.

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Speaker 4: GRAVI it later via podcast, subscribe to Armstrong and getting

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Speaker 4: on demand. So gen Z is ditching Booze. Now, this

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Speaker 4: piece is kind of new York centric. They're talking about

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Speaker 4: how zoomers want a wild night on the town, they

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Speaker 4: won't wake up regretting. Instead, young adults are getting the

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Speaker 4: social fixes. It's sober friendly gathering hubs and alcohol free

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Speaker 4: bars that have been sprouting up in which some say

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Speaker 4: is a sign of changing times.

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Speaker 1: Well, clearly, the times are always changing. That's what happens

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Speaker 1: with times, says. Oh, they quote a bunch of we're

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Speaker 1: supposed to call them zoomers.

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Speaker 2: Do I have to what does that mean? Generation? Z Okay?

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Speaker 4: Anyway, they quote a bunch of twenty somethings, including aid

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Speaker 4: In spelled really weirdly, age twenty two. I think our

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Speaker 4: generation is very aware, like a lot of us are activists,

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Speaker 4: and I think that awareness influences our junkie habits.

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Speaker 2: You're right, they drink more.

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Speaker 4: With all the stuff we're hearing about the world constantly,

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Speaker 4: you'd think we'd want a distraction, But I think our

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Speaker 4: phones are distraction enough, so we don't need as much alcohol.

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Speaker 2: All right, Aiden, here's some absence. I have a good time.

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Speaker 4: And they go into describing these various game clubs and

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Speaker 4: alcohol free bars and stuff. Here's another youngster, you're real

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Speaker 4: age twenty six, they may with a normal name. No,

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Speaker 4: When people of the previous generation think of drinking, they

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Speaker 4: think of binge drinking. They think of going to a bar,

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Speaker 4: slamming back twelve drinks and being hammered the next night.

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Speaker 2: You know, why are you speaking for me, sweetheart?

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Speaker 4: They think of the idea of cracking up in a

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Speaker 4: six pack before they go to bed.

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Speaker 1: You know what, this is the mirror image of something

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Speaker 1: else that's unpalatable. So as you get older, everybody has

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Speaker 1: a tendency to think the current young crop of kids

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Speaker 1: are just going to ruin the America.

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Speaker 2: They're just degenerates.

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Speaker 1: And then the flip side of that is every new

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Speaker 1: young group of people think the superior to.

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Speaker 2: All the people older than them. Both of those things

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Speaker 2: are hard to take.

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Speaker 1: It's a thousands year old tradition as a matter of fact, right,

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Speaker 1: says twenty three year old Lee spelled weird too.

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Speaker 2: I do drink.

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Speaker 1: When I do, I'll probably have like one drunk. Says Kathleen, Oh,

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Speaker 1: a normal name quote. I think people in my generation

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Speaker 1: are more conscious of their health and don't say drinking

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Speaker 1: as a social obligation.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: In defense of these youngsters, some reporter ask them, why

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Speaker 1: do you even ask them? They don't know anything. They're young,

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Speaker 1: they're dumb. But there are statistics to back up. The

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Speaker 1: bellies are flat and they're good looking, so there are

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Speaker 1: statistics to back this up, though, right the young people

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Speaker 1: would one hundred percent. Oh yeah, it's it's been a

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Speaker 1: cataclysmic for the hard liquor industry. Beer has plummeted, even

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Speaker 1: the you're like white claw type hard ciders and seltzers

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Speaker 1: and stuff that were.

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Speaker 2: So hot what ten years ago.

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Speaker 1: If you listen to if you listen to country music,

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Speaker 1: every young person in America is drinking whiskey and white

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Speaker 1: claw all day long.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well not so much apparently.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, I thought that was interesting, and you know, everybody

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Speaker 4: colding in the article pitches it as laimar hathe and al,

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Speaker 4: and I was reminded of an absolutely brilliant piece I

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Speaker 4: read by kat Rosenfield, who was writing for The Free Press,

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Speaker 4: and she opens it. I can't resist because it's one

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Speaker 4: of my favorite scenes too, and it's not just because

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Speaker 4: I'm a drinking man. She talks about towards the end

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Speaker 4: of the Lord of the Rings trilogy, after all, the

544
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Speaker 4: adventuring is done, and they're back at the Shire, and

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Speaker 4: Frodo and Sam and Pippen and Marry are drinking at

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Speaker 4: the local pub. Anybody who's seen the movies remembers the scene,

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Speaker 4: and Sam, who has courted death and adventured over the world,

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Speaker 4: sees the girl he's always had a crush on, and

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Speaker 4: you can see in his eyes I've had these adventures.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna go ask her out. But first he takes

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Speaker 4: a big swig of his ale or whatever they're.

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Speaker 2: Drinking, whatever Hobbit's drink.

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Speaker 4: Right, he throws back his pint and she in Cat writes,

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Speaker 4: this moment is good because so many of us recognize it.

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Speaker 4: Many of our best and bravest moments started with a

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Speaker 4: shot or two of liquid courage. And yet contemporary narratives

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Speaker 4: about young people in drinking are all markedly and overwhelmingly

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Speaker 4: negative optimizers.

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Speaker 2: That's the term I never use.

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Speaker 4: Warned that alcohol is an addictive poison, activists cite the

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Speaker 4: link between drinking and sexual assault, and young celebrities who

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Speaker 4: might have once made headlines for partying can instead be

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Speaker 4: touting the benefits of sobriety.

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Speaker 2: And she has links to the various.

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Speaker 1: Art Why did you quote some things that are true

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Speaker 1: for a tiny percentage of people, as if that's everyone.

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Speaker 2: I mean, what's the point of.

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Speaker 1: That tiny percentages of what tiny percentage of drinkers become alcoholics?

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Speaker 1: Tiny percentage of drinkers commit you know, crimes or die

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Speaker 1: of some you know, alcohol related cancer, or get raped

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Speaker 1: or whatever. But then cat gets on to the point

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Speaker 1: that I think is really really good in spite of

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Speaker 1: the narrative that be old the Zoomers in their glorious

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Speaker 1: sobriety so much smarter, healthier, and more sensible than the

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Speaker 1: sloppy barfing generations.

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Speaker 2: That preceded them.

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Speaker 1: Now that's good writing, because that's the only kind of

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Speaker 1: drinking you can do, sloppy barfing drinking. But scratch the

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Speaker 1: surface of gen Z's sobriety, and what you find isn't

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Speaker 1: wisdom so much as fear. Fear of vulnerability, fear of failure,

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Speaker 1: fear of being out of control.

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Speaker 2: And we're not talking about completely out of control.

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Speaker 4: But out of complete, total, every second control. This is

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Speaker 4: a generation that is both highly conflict diverse and virtually

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Speaker 4: allergic to risk, particularly when it comes to markers of

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Speaker 4: autonomous adulthood, driving, working, sex, going out for a few drinks.

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Speaker 2: They are terrified of all of that stuff.

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Speaker 1: Working is a problem because you kind of have to

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Speaker 1: work to support yourself. But I was gonna ask, I said,

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Speaker 1: I was going to say, is this tie in anything

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Speaker 1: to lack of willingness to want to get a driver's license,

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Speaker 1: your lack of willingness to want to drink?

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent?

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Speaker 4: The bosses of gen Z employees report that they can't

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Speaker 4: make eye contact, they can't take criticism, and even ask

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Speaker 4: questions when they don't know how to or they're even

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Speaker 4: afraid to ask questions if they don't know how to

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Speaker 4: do something.

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Speaker 1: Using the word vey a lot. Always got to throw

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Speaker 1: this in on the Armstrong and Getty show. They didn't

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Speaker 1: raise themselves exactly exactly. And I'm you know, I'm always

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Speaker 1: heading there with my free range parenting screed.

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Speaker 4: Uh, but this generation after you know what? To that point,

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Speaker 4: Cat Rosenfield writes this inability to tolerate the friction of

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Speaker 4: ordinary interaction at worker elsewhere as an obstacle when it

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Speaker 4: comes to connecting with others. But more, perhaps more importantly,

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Speaker 4: it stands in the way of fun, a thing with

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Speaker 4: which Zoomers are not well acquainted. After a highly regimented

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Speaker 4: childhood and an overscheduled adolescence, not their faults.

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Speaker 2: Packed with resume building activities.

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Speaker 1: This generation isn't just more anxile and depressed them their predecessors.

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Speaker 1: They're so tightly wound and mistrustful of others that they

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Speaker 1: would rather die than let their guard down, which rules

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Speaker 1: alcohol right out. I'm reminded of the famous move.

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Speaker 4: I don't look as the Germans for much instruction on

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Speaker 4: anything other than maybe building auto bonds and engineering.

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Speaker 2: But the German insurance industry.

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Speaker 1: Came out several years ago in a giant story in

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Speaker 1: Europe that was ignored in the US because it was

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Speaker 1: so uncomfortable.

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Speaker 2: The German insurance.

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Speaker 4: Industry said, hey, make playgrounds fun again, and quote unquote dangerous.

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Speaker 4: We have raised generations of kids who have no sense

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Speaker 4: of their own their own abilities. They have no developed

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Speaker 4: risk assessment skills. All of childhood to a large extent,

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Speaker 4: And if you look at it as a strictly anthropological topic,

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Speaker 4: childhood is about gaining skills and learning risk management. And

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Speaker 4: if you don't let kids risk anything and fall down

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Speaker 4: and skin their knees and get bloodied and make mistakes

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Speaker 4: and get in trouble and get lost and find their

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Speaker 4: way back, not just once, but over and over again.

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Speaker 2: You're going to have adults who are terrified. That's really interesting.

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Speaker 1: I'd like my kids to stay away from indebriants as

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Speaker 1: long as possible, but I don't want them to be

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Speaker 1: unable to have a job, or ask a girl out

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Speaker 1: for a date, or call the place in order a

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Speaker 1: pizza or any of those things.

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Speaker 4: So right, would you send your kids off to college

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Speaker 4: having not tried alcohol?

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Speaker 1: I went off to college having not tried alcohol, and

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Speaker 1: I don't get me any harm. But yeah, I don't

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Speaker 1: think that bothers me. It depends on I guess it

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Speaker 1: would be the reason. Are you afraid of it? Well?

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Speaker 2: Right, right, I don't think I was afraid of it.

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Speaker 1: I just didn't run with a crowd that did that,

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Speaker 1: and everything went great.

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Speaker 2: Or not depends on the individual.

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Speaker 4: Of course, my daughters knew what alcohol does to them

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Speaker 4: before they went to college.

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Speaker 2: I thought that was important. Hum interesting.

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