WEBVTT - Oysters & Aquaculture: On the Half Shell – Lab 073

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<v Speaker 1>People think it's back to school season, but it's really

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<v Speaker 1>a different season for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because we're not thinking about going to school anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Thankful you can keep the trapper keeper.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't need it. I don't envy y'all that are

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<v Speaker 2>thinking about Oh yeah, I gotta, you know, start thinking

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<v Speaker 2>about classes. No, that time in my lives are ova.

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<v Speaker 1>But there is a more interesting and pressing time of

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<v Speaker 1>our life, and it is a celebration for us. Tomorrow

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<v Speaker 1>is National Oyster Day.

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<v Speaker 2>Zakeia and I have talked about food many a time

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<v Speaker 2>on this podcast. Yes, and my friend also introduced me

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<v Speaker 2>to oysters when I met her in grad school and

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<v Speaker 2>changed my whole entire life. Did you know that that

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<v Speaker 2>I had never had an oyster? I had never had

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<v Speaker 2>an oyster. I didn't know that you didn't. We did

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of culinary first together, Yes, but venturing into

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<v Speaker 2>oysters was something that was new and surprisingly delicious for

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<v Speaker 2>me because I'm really big in the texture. I know

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people don't eat oysters because of the texture,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm here to encourage all folks give it a try.

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<v Speaker 1>It's good and based on the volume of oysters we're eating,

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<v Speaker 1>we had to really ask like, what's going on with

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<v Speaker 1>the oysters? Should we cut back? Should we you know,

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<v Speaker 1>scale up the consumption? What's the deal?

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<v Speaker 2>I know? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>So, you know, we had to bring it to the lab.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm t T and I'm Zachiah and from Spotify.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Dope Labs.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Dope Labs, a weekly podcast that mixes hardcore science,

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<v Speaker 1>pop culture, and a healthy dosa friendship.

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<v Speaker 2>This week, we're talking all about aquaculture specifically, we really

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to know more about oysters, our favorite delicacy, and

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<v Speaker 2>how cultivating these shellfish fits into our economy, the environment

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<v Speaker 2>and changing climate.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so we have a question for you. Where are

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<v Speaker 1>you on the shellfish spectrum? Are you a regular consumer

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<v Speaker 1>of bivalves and crustaceans? So do you eat a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of shrimp and crab and oysters? Are you a newbie?

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<v Speaker 1>Have you just recently had your first oyster? Or are

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<v Speaker 1>you keeping the industry afloat like me and TT? Be

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<v Speaker 1>sure to answer the poll in the app right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Let us know, let's get into the recitation, all right, TT,

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<v Speaker 1>what do we know?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? I think I know that it is oyster season

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<v Speaker 2>and that National Oyster Day is August fifth.

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<v Speaker 1>And we love the oysters, okay, but the habitat are

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<v Speaker 1>our friends, the oysters. It's disappearing and a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>that is related to land development, wetland lost, and pollution.

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<v Speaker 1>We know that from our previous episode with doctor Ayana

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<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth Johnson and we talked about this a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>with doctor Nicholas Reyo.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah we did. That feels like forever ago, but yes,

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<v Speaker 2>we have touched on this before. We also know that

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<v Speaker 2>aquaculture is not just about oysters, even though we talk

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<v Speaker 2>about oysters a lot. It's about the cultivation of fish, shellfish,

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<v Speaker 2>and aquatic plants.

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<v Speaker 1>But we know oysters are a huge part of the

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<v Speaker 1>aquaculture movement. It feels like it's really growing, but I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's about it. That's all we know.

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<v Speaker 2>We are laser focused on those oysters.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's jump into what we want to know tt So, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Want to know how aquaculture has changed over the years

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<v Speaker 2>and when did people start eating oysters.

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<v Speaker 1>A long time ago? It was sustainable then, but is

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<v Speaker 1>it sustainable now? If we consider what we know about

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<v Speaker 1>dwindling populations, and we know what we're trying to do

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<v Speaker 1>with oyster farming and aquaculture. A lot of times when

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<v Speaker 1>we try to have interventions, we always end up messing

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<v Speaker 1>up the environment, right, Like is this sustainable?

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<v Speaker 2>Is this helpful? Like I'm such a good person, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>helping Meanwhile, dump the farm?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>And then my question is as all things are affected

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<v Speaker 2>by climate change, we see everything is affected by it.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to know how aquaculture is affected by climate

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<v Speaker 2>change and what scientists are doing to combat that.

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<v Speaker 1>And as the world's population grows, can aquaculture help us

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<v Speaker 1>feed our planet. Let's jump into the dissections.

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<v Speaker 2>Our guest for today's lab is doctor Bill Walton.

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<v Speaker 3>My name is Bill Walton, the ACUFF Professor of Marine

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<v Speaker 3>Science and the shell Fish Aquaculture Program Coordinator at the

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<v Speaker 3>Virginia Institute of Marine Science here in Virginia out of

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<v Speaker 3>College of William and Mary.

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor Walton works with shellfish farmers, resource managers, and organizations

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<v Speaker 2>to address the challenges of shellfish aquaculture and also identifies

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<v Speaker 2>opportunities to develop this industry. Before we dive into our questions,

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<v Speaker 2>we need to understand what aquaculture actually is.

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<v Speaker 3>Aquaculture is the raising of organisms of any type, and

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<v Speaker 3>that's plants, animals in an aquatic or marine environment. That

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<v Speaker 3>means that you're doing something during the life cycle of

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<v Speaker 3>that organism to help it succeed, so you've intervened in

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<v Speaker 3>some way in that.

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<v Speaker 1>So, as doctor Walton said, aquaculture is when people farm

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<v Speaker 1>aquatic species. So it could be fish, shellfish, or even plants,

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<v Speaker 1>and that can happen in both freshwater or marine environments.

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<v Speaker 2>And people use aquaculture to pursue different goals like habitat restoration,

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<v Speaker 2>trying to help threatened or endangered species, and of course

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<v Speaker 2>for food.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I think my first introduction to aquaculture was

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<v Speaker 1>when there was like farmed tilapia and farmed salmon, And

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<v Speaker 1>so when I think about aquaculture, what comes to mind

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<v Speaker 1>for me is like multiple tanks of PVC piping swimming

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<v Speaker 1>pools of fish. Like that's what I think of. So

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<v Speaker 1>what does aquaculture look like for shellfish?

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<v Speaker 2>Let's take a minute to talk about the history of aquaculture.

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<v Speaker 2>Humans have altered marine and freshwater environments in pursuit of

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<v Speaker 2>food for thousands of years. We see this from indigenous

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<v Speaker 2>communities around the world who use different cultivation methods to

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<v Speaker 2>increase their harvests.

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<v Speaker 1>But one of the things we also know is that

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<v Speaker 1>in the last century we've had a lot of human

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<v Speaker 1>intervention that has affected aquatic species, and so in response

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<v Speaker 1>to that, we've seen a rapid acceleration in aquatic farming.

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<v Speaker 2>There's been a drastic decline in oyster populations all over

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<v Speaker 2>the world. Example, oyster populations are just a fraction of

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<v Speaker 2>what they were like in the nineteen hundreds, and three

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<v Speaker 2>fourths of the oyster eaves were lost due to over

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<v Speaker 2>harvesting from eighteen sixty to nineteen twenty. That's just sixty years.

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<v Speaker 2>That's someone's lifetime. We talked about how humans have disrupted

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<v Speaker 2>the food system in our episode on biodiversity with doctor

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<v Speaker 2>Ray Winn grant Well. Doctor Walton wants to help restore

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<v Speaker 2>these populations while also helping coastal communities develop a new industry.

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor Walton focuses specifically on shellfish and oyster farming. That's

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<v Speaker 2>when people want to grow and sell oysters and shellfish.

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<v Speaker 1>Oysters are mollusks or bivalves, and that's just a fancy

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<v Speaker 1>way of saying they have two shells.

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<v Speaker 2>And humans have developed a lot of different ways to

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<v Speaker 2>grow and maintain these creatures.

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<v Speaker 1>To understand how aquaculture works. We need to get an

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<v Speaker 1>idea of the oyster life cycle in general. When oysters spawn,

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<v Speaker 1>they kick out the eggs and sperm into the water,

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<v Speaker 1>and those eggs and sperm meat fertilizing the egg and

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<v Speaker 1>then you get a lot of growth in tiny little

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<v Speaker 1>larvae floating in the water. And so the larvae float

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<v Speaker 1>through the water until they can attach to a hard surface,

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<v Speaker 1>and often they're attaching to other oyster shells.

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<v Speaker 2>And once they're attached, those little oysters are called spat,

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<v Speaker 2>and these spat don't have shells, so once they're settled,

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<v Speaker 2>they start to put all their energy into their shell growth,

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<v Speaker 2>and they do that by isolating calcium carbonate from the

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<v Speaker 2>water column.

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<v Speaker 1>And so when those generations of oysters grow, one set

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<v Speaker 1>of oysters on top of another set on top of

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<v Speaker 1>another set, you get shell clusters and those are called

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<v Speaker 1>oyster reefs or oyster beds, and the oysters grow there

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<v Speaker 1>for the rest of their lives. And this is not

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<v Speaker 1>a short growth process. The oysters that we see at

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<v Speaker 1>the table are usually about two to three years old

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<v Speaker 1>because they're growing at about an inch a year.

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<v Speaker 2>And this life cycle that we just describe, it's full

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<v Speaker 2>of a lot of dangers.

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<v Speaker 3>Most of those, in fact would be lost. They'd either

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<v Speaker 3>be eaten or washed away. They wouldn't survive. But in

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<v Speaker 3>a hatchery, we can make sure that most of them survived.

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<v Speaker 2>So taking all of this into account, we ask doctor

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<v Speaker 2>Walton to describe what a modern oyster aquaculture setup actually

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<v Speaker 2>looks like. And the hatchery is the first step of

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<v Speaker 2>modern oyster aquaculture, and a hatcherie is an environment that

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<v Speaker 2>encourages the oysters to reproduce.

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<v Speaker 1>Hatcheries do that by mimicking and amplifying what happens naturally,

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<v Speaker 1>so they're increasing the yield of each batch.

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<v Speaker 3>We induce them to spawn. That's one way to do it,

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<v Speaker 3>where you just change the temperature for the oysters and

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<v Speaker 3>you convince them that it's spring and so they spawn

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<v Speaker 3>for you. And that should be more romantic than it is.

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<v Speaker 3>But essentially oyster spawning is throwing their gam meats out

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<v Speaker 3>into the ocean or the river, and those gam meats

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<v Speaker 3>have to find each other up in the water.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are called broadcast spawners. In the water, most of

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<v Speaker 1>the spawn would be lost. They're going to be eaten

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<v Speaker 1>by other fish or different things that are in the water,

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<v Speaker 1>or just simply washed away with the tide. But in

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<v Speaker 1>a hatchery, you don't have that same problem.

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<v Speaker 3>And at that point we care the babies called farv

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<v Speaker 3>We care for them for about two weeks and we

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<v Speaker 3>make sure they have all the food and oxygen and

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<v Speaker 3>clean water that they need, and then they go through

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<v Speaker 3>what's called metamorphosis. And so some audience members will remember

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<v Speaker 3>high school biology where a caterpillar becomes the butterflies. So

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<v Speaker 3>that swimming microscopic baby oyster in this case decides to

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<v Speaker 3>stop swimming and it goes through metamorphosis and it goes

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<v Speaker 3>down to the bottom and it wants to attach to something.

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<v Speaker 2>So at the hatchery they're just increasing the survival rate

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<v Speaker 2>of these oysters. And once that process takes place, that's

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<v Speaker 2>what we call a seed, and those are the baby oysters.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you're an oyster farmer, you're gonna then buy

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<v Speaker 2>those seeds for you to grow oysters. And so you

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<v Speaker 2>can buy them, buy the thousands or millions, and then

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<v Speaker 2>you can start to raise them.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't usually like to think about buying things on

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<v Speaker 1>the thousands or millions, but you can buy a thousand

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<v Speaker 1>of those oysters for about ten to twenty dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, right, that's cheap.

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<v Speaker 1>That is that's incredible value.

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<v Speaker 2>Do I want a little oysters?

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<v Speaker 1>We have to find a place to put them, because

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<v Speaker 1>when you're farming oysters, it seems like they need to

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<v Speaker 1>be in naturally occurring water. Bathtub water won't do.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, my Brita filter won't work. So those indoor farms

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<v Speaker 2>that we had talked about and imagined all the oysters

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<v Speaker 2>being grown in, they pop into our minds when we

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<v Speaker 2>think about aquaculture, but they aren't really economically viable. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's because when you provide that oyster seed with food

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<v Speaker 2>and oxygen, it grows into a really hungry oyster and

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<v Speaker 2>you need more space that an indoor environment might not

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<v Speaker 2>be able to provide.

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<v Speaker 1>And doctor Walton says, you also need a lot more food.

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<v Speaker 1>Very quickly juvenile oyster becomes feed me see more little shops.

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<v Speaker 3>So you have this like incredible demand for food. These

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<v Speaker 3>shellfish are really good at eating the microscopic plants. And

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<v Speaker 3>so when you start to scale that up and say, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll start a factory for shellfish in the middle of

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<v Speaker 3>the country, and I'm going to try to like raise

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<v Speaker 3>all the food for them under controlled conditions. Technically, I

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<v Speaker 3>guess you could probably do it, but I have a

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<v Speaker 3>very hard time imagining that somebody could turn that into

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<v Speaker 3>something that's sort of an economic reality. And so all

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<v Speaker 3>the shellfish farms that I have seen rely on working

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<v Speaker 3>with the natural environment and being out in coastal waters.

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<v Speaker 2>So the economic forces behind aquaculture push people to use

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<v Speaker 2>offshore locations in natural waters because it's actually more financially feasible,

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<v Speaker 2>and like you were saying, better for the oyster, because

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<v Speaker 2>there's more food available naturally.

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<v Speaker 3>When I'm first growing your seed, they're about one millimeter

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<v Speaker 3>and so that's you can see them, but they're very small.

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<v Speaker 3>They look like grains of sand. You might on that screen.

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<v Speaker 3>You might be putting a quarter of a million to

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<v Speaker 3>half a million of those grains of sand on one

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<v Speaker 3>and the seawater that's flowing by them is going to

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<v Speaker 3>bring them enough food and oxygen that they'll grow.

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<v Speaker 1>And doctor Walton is being modest. Oysters require a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of food and oxygen. You'd need a lot of money

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<v Speaker 1>to keep those bivalves fed. Like if you are going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a farmer, there's places that you can go

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<v Speaker 1>where they've taken little seeds and developed them into seedlings. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and the oyster farmer is buying the seedlings and then

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<v Speaker 1>cultivating those into big It's like.

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<v Speaker 2>What people do for their gardens. When you want to start,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, growing tomatoes or if you want to grow basil,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe you'll go to a nursery that have already started

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<v Speaker 2>growing them in those little plastic containers and then you

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<v Speaker 2>take it home and you plant it in your garden

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<v Speaker 2>and then you can go and start growing your own

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<v Speaker 2>vegetable garden or growing your own are growing whatever you

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<v Speaker 2>can get the bulbs or the seeds that have already

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<v Speaker 2>started to grow, and you put them that someone has

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<v Speaker 2>made a habitat where they can have a healthy beginning

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<v Speaker 2>to their lives. And then you take them as that

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<v Speaker 2>little seedling that has started to grow, you put them

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<v Speaker 2>in a new environment and you continue to nurture them

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<v Speaker 2>into their adulthood.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, just like a home garden. For oyster farmers,

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<v Speaker 1>there are multiple setups that they can develop to grow

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<v Speaker 1>those oysters. So one of the first examples that doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Walton walked us through is an oyster farm.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're gonna be talking broadly about two different systems

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<v Speaker 2>on bottom farms and off bottom farms, not to be

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<v Speaker 2>confused with bikini bottom farms. So if we're the oyster

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<v Speaker 2>farmers and we have these seeds, we have to think

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<v Speaker 2>about where they go. And on bottom farming, the farmers

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<v Speaker 2>are creating a hospitable area at the bottom of the

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<v Speaker 2>water body for their oysters to grow.

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<v Speaker 3>We get in a boat and we go out of

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<v Speaker 3>the river here and you might just see corner posts

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<v Speaker 3>like poles sticking up out of the water, and I

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<v Speaker 3>would just have to assure you that there are private leases,

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<v Speaker 3>what we call private leases, that are being farmed on

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<v Speaker 3>the bottom there.

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<v Speaker 1>So those seeds that you've purchased, those little baby oysters,

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<v Speaker 1>the kid oysters, you're trying to make your land more

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<v Speaker 1>attractive so that they stay there.

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<v Speaker 3>And those look very much like what a natural oyster

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<v Speaker 3>bed looks like. The typical thing actually that you put

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<v Speaker 3>down would be oyster shell. So you essentially take the

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<v Speaker 3>bottom that was soft mud, and because it's your lease,

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<v Speaker 3>you decide that you're going to improve that bottom by

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<v Speaker 3>putting oyster shell on it. We call that culting. And

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<v Speaker 3>when you culch, you're improving that habitat so that you're

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<v Speaker 3>going to hopefully attract juvenile oysters. We call them spat

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<v Speaker 3>that the spat will settle on your lease, and so

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<v Speaker 3>you essentially getting a productive area.

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<v Speaker 1>So what they're doing is culture. They're trying to improve

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<v Speaker 1>the habitat. This is the equivalent of you adding fertilizer

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<v Speaker 1>or something to your soil in the area where you are.

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<v Speaker 1>Oysters want something to attach to, so you add things

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<v Speaker 1>in onto the bottom of the water where you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be growing them to make it attractive for the oysters.

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<v Speaker 1>Another form of on bottom farming is when cages or

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<v Speaker 1>mesh containers sit on the seafloor.

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<v Speaker 3>You might see a number of buoys on the surface,

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<v Speaker 3>and that would look a little bit like if we

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<v Speaker 3>were going out and we saw crab traps or lobster

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<v Speaker 3>traps somewhere, and in that case, we'd bring the boat

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<v Speaker 3>up and we would go to those buoys. In there,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a cage or a basket that's sitting on the

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<v Speaker 3>bottom and the oysters are sitting inside those bags, and

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<v Speaker 3>we would bring that. We'd bring that cage up to

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<v Speaker 3>the surface and you'd see that it's full of oysters.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a mesh container that the oysters are living

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<v Speaker 2>in but since it's sitting on the bottom of the ocean,

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<v Speaker 2>other little friends that are also living in the ocean

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<v Speaker 2>can get in there as well. You know, some uninvited guests,

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<v Speaker 2>but I guess they're welcome.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, And although it may seem like a nuisance, this

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<v Speaker 1>is actually great because this is evidence that for aquaculture farming,

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<v Speaker 1>and specifically oyster farming, these mesh containers create habitat for

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<v Speaker 1>other critters, so other members of this ecosystem to also

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<v Speaker 1>live and thrive. So, yes, you're doing it for the oysters,

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<v Speaker 1>but the homies are coming along too, and they bringing groceries.

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<v Speaker 3>I was just at of some farms recently and we

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<v Speaker 3>spent time picking up all the eels that had come

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<v Speaker 3>up with it that immediately started to bail out of

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<v Speaker 3>the gauge because they didn't want to be out of

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<v Speaker 3>the water, and so we just scooped them up and

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<v Speaker 3>got them back overboard. So you see lots of marine

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<v Speaker 3>life in amongst these things.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. So that's farming on the bottom of the

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<v Speaker 1>seafloor or a river bit off. Bottom farming is when

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<v Speaker 1>the shellfish grow in a mesh container suspend it near

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<v Speaker 1>the surface of the water.

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<v Speaker 3>The other version that somebody might see would be going

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<v Speaker 3>out on the water and seeing baskets or bags floating

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<v Speaker 3>up at the surface. And so the animals in this

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<v Speaker 3>case are living right below the water surface and they

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<v Speaker 3>have some type of floatation something that's keeping them up

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<v Speaker 3>near the surface, and it's a mesh bag dently, that's

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<v Speaker 3>just holding the animal, the oysters or the clams or

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<v Speaker 3>the scallops, holding it in that bag in the water,

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<v Speaker 3>and then you're letting it feed on the natural microscopic

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<v Speaker 3>plants what we call the phytoplank then let it feed

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<v Speaker 3>on what's in the water. And so because of that,

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<v Speaker 3>they reflect the flavor of where they're grown. But it

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<v Speaker 3>does also mean that you really aren't in a position

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<v Speaker 3>to medicate these things, that you're not in a position

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<v Speaker 3>to feed them something. They are relying on what's in

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<v Speaker 3>the water.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, we didn't cover all the different ways that people

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<v Speaker 1>farm oysters, because there are some in between methods that

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<v Speaker 1>involve being in the water and then out of the water.

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<v Speaker 1>Just know that people are getting to the oysters a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of different ways.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really cool to hear about how these farmers are

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<v Speaker 2>able to farm oysters in so many different ways that

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<v Speaker 2>actually mimic their natural environment.

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<v Speaker 1>This makes a lot more sense than my original idea

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<v Speaker 1>of swimming pools of oysters. The elephant in the room

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<v Speaker 1>here is that most of our oyster reefs and most

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<v Speaker 1>of our environment that existed for oysters to grow on

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<v Speaker 1>and to thrive and flourish is gone. Right, So you

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<v Speaker 1>have farmers creating these artificial reefs with mesh bags and

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<v Speaker 1>cages that are benefiting oysters and other organisms and other

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<v Speaker 1>sea creatures that normally wouldn't have a home. Yeah, Doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Iana Elizabeth Johnson talked about the Billion Oyster Project, which

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<v Speaker 1>has efforts to do that exactly, Yes, right in the

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<v Speaker 1>Hudson Bay. And so we see people doing this in

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<v Speaker 1>the Chesapeake Bay and along the waterways in the Gulf

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<v Speaker 1>in Louisiana and Alabama. These environments in these small aqua

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<v Speaker 1>farming communities have been affected by these changing natural environments,

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<v Speaker 1>and so one of the widespread impacts of the aquaculture

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<v Speaker 1>industry is to restore those communities' ability to make economic

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<v Speaker 1>progress through oyster farming and different shellfish farming.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to take a quick break, and when we

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<v Speaker 2>get back, we'll talk about the economics around aquaculture and

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<v Speaker 2>its place in a warming planet. On next week's Lab,

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking all about forever chemicals, what they are, where

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<v Speaker 2>there are, and how we can move around them.

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<v Speaker 1>In the meantime, let's get back to the lab. We've

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<v Speaker 1>been talking to doctor Bill Walton about oyster farming and aquaculture.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we're going to consider what aquaculture means for a

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<v Speaker 1>growing population.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a really good question. Does aquaculture fit the bill?

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<v Speaker 2>Can it help us feed the world as our population

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<v Speaker 2>continues to grow?

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<v Speaker 3>The world population is growing, we know that we have

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<v Speaker 3>to provide food and that there's to me just sort

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<v Speaker 3>of the ethical requirement of thinking of ways how do

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<v Speaker 3>we produce that food in a way that also minimizes

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<v Speaker 3>the environmental impact while we do that. When we look

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<v Speaker 3>to the oceans, we know that the total world harvest

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<v Speaker 3>from fisheries has leveled off essentially, I think at least

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<v Speaker 3>for the past two decades, if not more so. The

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<v Speaker 3>world population human population is growing, and we think we

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<v Speaker 3>might be getting as much seafood from the fisheries of

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<v Speaker 3>the world as we.

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<v Speaker 1>Can, getting as much as we can so are we

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<v Speaker 1>saying it's leveled out or is decreasing now did it

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<v Speaker 1>used to be increasing like or do we have more

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<v Speaker 1>people eating fish and they used to so the demand

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<v Speaker 1>I have some questions.

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<v Speaker 2>The number of wild caught fish and shellfish has plateaued,

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<v Speaker 2>so it hasn't stayed, but the amount of fish and

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<v Speaker 2>other organisms harvested through aquaculture has grown, and doctor Walton

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<v Speaker 2>says aquaculture could be a major source of sustainable food.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I think about a lot, what's that

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<v Speaker 2>the growing population of this world. I think that we

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<v Speaker 2>have to start thinking about how we're going to produce

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<v Speaker 2>enough food as our population is growing, like, we have

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to feed everyone. Of course, oysters aren't

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<v Speaker 2>the perfect solution. One reason is that they're pretty expensive.

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor Walton says we may never get to a place

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<v Speaker 2>where they're affordable for everyone.

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<v Speaker 3>If anybody who likes eating shellfish, let's say raw oysters,

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<v Speaker 3>if you've gone into a raw bar in a city,

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<v Speaker 3>these are expensive items. The typical person might think when

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<v Speaker 3>they think marine aquaculture, they might think salmon, and in

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<v Speaker 3>fact that's relatively low in terms of value total value

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<v Speaker 3>compared to some of the other species that we raise.

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<v Speaker 3>So shellfish are sort of one of the big things

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<v Speaker 3>that we do. I think we working on that. We're

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<v Speaker 3>thinking about ways to have more cost effective ways to

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<v Speaker 3>produce shellfish that provide a food that could be purchased

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<v Speaker 3>at a lower price point, so that it could be

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<v Speaker 3>something that's more commonly available. Like I don't know if

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<v Speaker 3>we'll ever get to the point that we have oyster

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<v Speaker 3>nuggets at McDonald's the way that we have like chicken nuggets,

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<v Speaker 3>but like we should at least think about that as

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<v Speaker 3>a possibility.

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<v Speaker 1>So, not only is the need to produce more food

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<v Speaker 1>a concern, but economic forces are also pushing this innovation

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<v Speaker 1>around aquaculture. It's important to understand how aquaculture and the

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<v Speaker 1>changes to our coastline is impacting people economically. Doctor Walton

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<v Speaker 1>says that US aquaculture is actually not a world leader.

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<v Speaker 1>We're currently sixteenth in the world in terms of production,

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<v Speaker 1>and he says that's surprising given how much coastline we have.

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<v Speaker 1>But another interesting aspect of this is that shellfish aquaculture

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<v Speaker 1>is happening out in the environment, not on private property.

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<v Speaker 3>You're doing this out in shared waters. As a community,

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<v Speaker 3>you need to decide that you want to do it.

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<v Speaker 3>It has to be permitted that said, of the aquaculture

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<v Speaker 3>that we do do in the US, in the marine environment,

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<v Speaker 3>it is dominated by harvest of oysters and clams and muscles.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so we're not going to solve world hunger with oysters,

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<v Speaker 2>but aquaculture technology could help develop more food and sustainably.

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<v Speaker 3>Oysters are a really healthy food, right, and when you

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<v Speaker 3>think about what it takes to produce that protein, it's

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<v Speaker 3>probably a good choice as a society to be thinking

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<v Speaker 3>about that. I'd like to get there, but we're not there.

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<v Speaker 1>So we have this situation where as doctor Walton said,

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<v Speaker 1>we have a pretty pricey food, oysters. In this case,

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<v Speaker 1>let's be in sold to restaurants where people are buying

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<v Speaker 1>them for two or three dollars per oyster, and sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>that's the happy hour deal. So how do you feel

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<v Speaker 1>good about cultivating something that's so expensive.

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<v Speaker 3>The way I feel good about that is not only

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<v Speaker 3>the environmental impact that I think is as I said,

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<v Speaker 3>I think is a net positive for the coastal environment.

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<v Speaker 3>So I want to encourage shellfish farms in our local

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<v Speaker 3>coastal waters, but I also think it is a way

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<v Speaker 3>of exporting income from metropolitan centers out to these rural

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<v Speaker 3>coastal communities, and again, how do you get jobs, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>if you're a nineteen year old in a rural coastal community,

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<v Speaker 3>there needs to be something that you can look to

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<v Speaker 3>as a way that you think that you know, you

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<v Speaker 3>might be able to pay the bills and make a career.

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<v Speaker 3>And so this is one reason I feel okay still

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<v Speaker 3>about a lot of USh shellfish aquaculture being focused at

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<v Speaker 3>a white tablecloth type restaurant is because I still look

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<v Speaker 3>at those communities that actually have shellfish aquaculture are almost

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<v Speaker 3>always rural and small because they're the areas that also

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<v Speaker 3>have some of the best water quality. And so to me,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a lot of value in that.

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<v Speaker 2>When doctor Walton first got into shellfish aquaculture, one thing

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<v Speaker 2>that stood out to him was that oyster growers were

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<v Speaker 2>really invested in water quality and he thinks that's a

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<v Speaker 2>great aspect of the industry.

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<v Speaker 1>And based on what he says so far, that makes sense. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Good water is important for these communities livelihoods.

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<v Speaker 3>To have somebody come in and be literally invested in

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<v Speaker 3>the water quality arguing for it. I just love that.

0:26:06.040 --> 0:26:10.400
<v Speaker 3>I love that we have essentially stewards of our coastal waters. Yes,

0:26:10.440 --> 0:26:12.960
<v Speaker 3>they're growing something and they're harvesting something there, but they're

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<v Speaker 3>also really some of our best advocates for water quality

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<v Speaker 3>out there as well.

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<v Speaker 2>It's such an amazing point to make and I think

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<v Speaker 2>really important, and I'm glad that doctor Walton highlighted it.

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<v Speaker 2>These farms and cultivation areas affect people and communities locally.

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<v Speaker 3>I think of places that I've worked, for example, with shrimping,

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<v Speaker 3>and the grandparent who runs the shrimping boat is not

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<v Speaker 3>encouraging their grandchildren to become shrimpers. When those communities start

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<v Speaker 3>to have that movement away from fisheries, what happens to them.

0:26:46.920 --> 0:26:49.840
<v Speaker 2>Doctor Walton says that aquaculture is a way for people

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<v Speaker 2>to stay involved and work in coastal places, many of

0:26:53.400 --> 0:26:56.359
<v Speaker 2>which are rural, and we're seeing more and more rural

0:26:56.359 --> 0:26:59.359
<v Speaker 2>communities turning to aquaculture as an industry.

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<v Speaker 3>I think there is again this sort of social element

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<v Speaker 3>of if we can find ways that people can make

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<v Speaker 3>a living working on the water to provide food in

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<v Speaker 3>a way that's environmentally sustainable, that keeps those communities thriving

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<v Speaker 3>and alive. Honestly, I think the biggest part of it

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<v Speaker 3>for me is that it's something that's giving communities the

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<v Speaker 3>option of do they want to adopt another way of

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<v Speaker 3>bringing in food from the sea that presents ways for

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<v Speaker 3>young people in that community to go have careers and

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<v Speaker 3>build a life there. Then lastly, I just amazed that

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<v Speaker 3>shellfish aquaculture gives you the ability to raise food and

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<v Speaker 3>help income while also helping the environment. Like I genuinely

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<v Speaker 3>believe that the way that we practice shellfish aquaculture in

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<v Speaker 3>the United States is not just relatively environmentally benign. I

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<v Speaker 3>think that a lot of our coastal waters are better

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<v Speaker 3>off with shellfish aquaculture in it.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Walton is saying this is a sustainable industry that

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<v Speaker 1>can bolster rural economies and improve the environment. Sounds almost

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<v Speaker 1>too good to be true, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember, all of these organisms are working in a beautiful

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<v Speaker 2>symphony together and they balance each other out within their ecosystems.

0:28:18.480 --> 0:28:22.640
<v Speaker 2>If an oyster farmer is not appropriately managing their oyster

0:28:22.960 --> 0:28:26.920
<v Speaker 2>farm and they are creating all of these oysters, these

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<v Speaker 2>oysters are eating up all of the nutrients that are

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<v Speaker 2>in their surrounding area, and what that does is create

0:28:34.359 --> 0:28:38.640
<v Speaker 2>an unstable environment for other organisms. Because these oysters are

0:28:38.760 --> 0:28:40.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, like hungry, hungry hippos, they're eating up all

0:28:40.960 --> 0:28:43.239
<v Speaker 2>the food, all the nutrients, and so that means that

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<v Speaker 2>there are other organisms that will suffer.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's just one example of the importance of this balance.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, this lab, we're focusing on shellfish aquaculture, but

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<v Speaker 1>there have been concerns about finfish aquaculture, so growing fish

0:28:58.920 --> 0:29:02.440
<v Speaker 1>that have fans, so thinksmon and catfish and what that

0:29:02.480 --> 0:29:05.760
<v Speaker 1>can mean for other wildfish in the area. We have

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<v Speaker 1>more info about that in the show notes, so be

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<v Speaker 1>sure to check it out at Dope labspodcast dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there are some other factors to consider when thinking

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<v Speaker 2>about oysters, specifically climate change. We act doctor Walton how

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<v Speaker 2>climate change has impacted aquaculture and how the industry has

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<v Speaker 2>to adjust, and it's really interesting. In some areas, warmer

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<v Speaker 2>conditions might actually benefit the farms at least in the

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<v Speaker 2>short term.

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<v Speaker 3>There may be longer growing seasons, et cetera, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 3>But when we think about climate change, that change is

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<v Speaker 3>hard and certainly rising temperatures can be stressful for oysters

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<v Speaker 3>in certain environments, and we know that that affects how

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<v Speaker 3>much dissolved oxygen is in the water, so there's concern

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<v Speaker 3>about that and that by the way that could function

0:29:55.280 --> 0:29:57.840
<v Speaker 3>differently at the surface of the water versus the bottom

0:29:57.840 --> 0:29:59.840
<v Speaker 3>of the water. There might be ways to adapt to

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<v Speaker 3>the but there could also be ways that people are

0:30:02.320 --> 0:30:05.360
<v Speaker 3>currently growing shellfish that may not be as successful as

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<v Speaker 3>they've been.

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<v Speaker 1>So climate change isn't just directly affecting whether shellfish survive

0:30:11.120 --> 0:30:14.040
<v Speaker 1>and how they survive, but it's also changing the farming

0:30:14.120 --> 0:30:16.800
<v Speaker 1>techniques that farmers are using, and they have to change

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<v Speaker 1>if they want to continue operating in this industry.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a little complicated. Rising temperatures alone may not

0:30:22.560 --> 0:30:25.920
<v Speaker 2>pose a problem for oysters, but other changes caused by

0:30:25.960 --> 0:30:30.000
<v Speaker 2>climate shifts could, like heavier rainfall. Because these oyster farms

0:30:30.000 --> 0:30:34.800
<v Speaker 2>are so integrated into the natural environment, they're sensitive to

0:30:35.160 --> 0:30:38.800
<v Speaker 2>shifts in the weather. Doctor Walton says rain changes things,

0:30:38.840 --> 0:30:41.360
<v Speaker 2>and also if it gets warm, it changes things.

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<v Speaker 3>So oysters are pretty good at tolerating changes in salinity.

0:30:45.840 --> 0:30:48.600
<v Speaker 3>But if you are also raising the temperature on those

0:30:48.680 --> 0:30:51.600
<v Speaker 3>oysters at the same time that they're getting stressed by

0:30:51.640 --> 0:30:57.160
<v Speaker 3>the freshwater inputs, we have seen mortalities from those combinations,

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<v Speaker 3>and certainly that's been associated with the idea that that

0:30:59.480 --> 0:31:01.760
<v Speaker 3>could belimate change. The other big thing that you hear

0:31:01.800 --> 0:31:05.200
<v Speaker 3>with climate change, of course, is ocean acidification. Of course,

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<v Speaker 3>for something that builds a shell, there is a ton

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<v Speaker 3>of concern about what happens as the ocean's pH drops.

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<v Speaker 1>pH is an indicator of how acidic or alkaline water is,

0:31:17.000 --> 0:31:19.520
<v Speaker 1>and on average the ocean is about twenty five percent

0:31:19.640 --> 0:31:23.000
<v Speaker 1>more acidic than it was a couple centuries ago. Now

0:31:23.160 --> 0:31:26.560
<v Speaker 1>that's bad news for marine life because the acid that's

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<v Speaker 1>forming in that water decreases the amount of carbonate that's

0:31:29.760 --> 0:31:34.520
<v Speaker 1>available for them to build shells and skeletons. Doctor Walton says,

0:31:34.600 --> 0:31:37.880
<v Speaker 1>the larvae are really vulnerable to these changes.

0:31:38.200 --> 0:31:40.040
<v Speaker 3>If I to get to a reef and the oysters

0:31:40.040 --> 0:31:42.960
<v Speaker 3>were dissolving away, that's pretty obvious, right. I'm not saying

0:31:42.960 --> 0:31:46.200
<v Speaker 3>that that's happening, but you could see that microscopic larvae

0:31:46.240 --> 0:31:49.680
<v Speaker 3>having problems in the water that you can't see is

0:31:49.880 --> 0:31:52.960
<v Speaker 3>a harder problem to identify in the first place. So

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's one of the things that some hatcheries.

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<v Speaker 3>There are some shellfish hatcheries now that are treating their

0:31:59.040 --> 0:32:03.200
<v Speaker 3>water to ensure that the larvae have optimal conditions and

0:32:03.280 --> 0:32:05.880
<v Speaker 3>are not challenged by some of the changes that have happened.

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<v Speaker 2>That's such a great point that doctor Walton is making

0:32:08.280 --> 0:32:12.000
<v Speaker 2>that we can't really see this lack of carbonate in

0:32:12.040 --> 0:32:15.160
<v Speaker 2>the water because we only see the shellfish that make it.

0:32:15.240 --> 0:32:17.960
<v Speaker 2>We don't know which ones aren't making it. And it's

0:32:18.000 --> 0:32:21.240
<v Speaker 2>interesting that hatcheries are trying to treat their water so

0:32:21.280 --> 0:32:24.480
<v Speaker 2>that larvae have a better chance of survival. Doctor Walton

0:32:24.520 --> 0:32:28.920
<v Speaker 2>said that this kind of aquaculture can actually benefit habitats.

0:32:28.400 --> 0:32:30.240
<v Speaker 1>And if we think about it, oysters are solving a

0:32:30.240 --> 0:32:32.040
<v Speaker 1>lot of problems. Some of them we can't see, and

0:32:32.080 --> 0:32:34.440
<v Speaker 1>some of them we can't. But doctor Walton gave us

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of really good examples.

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<v Speaker 2>Shellfish are actually really good at cleaning up water.

0:32:39.920 --> 0:32:42.480
<v Speaker 3>The other thing that I think has to happen with

0:32:42.520 --> 0:32:46.520
<v Speaker 3>that is that they do eat that microscopic plants and

0:32:46.560 --> 0:32:49.640
<v Speaker 3>they turn it into oyster. That to me is very

0:32:49.720 --> 0:32:52.880
<v Speaker 3>similar to when you put sheep out into an overgrown

0:32:52.920 --> 0:32:57.440
<v Speaker 3>pasture and they graze the pasture down. Shellfish are essentially that.

0:32:57.720 --> 0:33:00.960
<v Speaker 1>Another example is a lack of habitat for other organisms

0:33:00.960 --> 0:33:03.120
<v Speaker 1>that are living in the water. This reminds me of

0:33:03.480 --> 0:33:06.760
<v Speaker 1>our episode on biodiversity. I mean, we've already talked about

0:33:06.800 --> 0:33:08.480
<v Speaker 1>it before, but I'll bring it up again where we

0:33:08.560 --> 0:33:11.440
<v Speaker 1>talked about how all of these organisms, all of these

0:33:11.440 --> 0:33:14.360
<v Speaker 1>animals are not living in a vacuum. We all live

0:33:14.480 --> 0:33:17.680
<v Speaker 1>together and we are all serving a purpose, you know.

0:33:17.840 --> 0:33:22.080
<v Speaker 1>So the fact that oysters are their habitats are being

0:33:22.120 --> 0:33:24.960
<v Speaker 1>ruined and they're not able to survive like they normally would,

0:33:24.960 --> 0:33:29.680
<v Speaker 1>that is affecting other sea creatures water creatures in a

0:33:29.680 --> 0:33:32.240
<v Speaker 1>really negative way. So what are some of the solutions

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<v Speaker 1>that can help us get to a better place so

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<v Speaker 1>that we can maintain our sea life restore it. Yeah,

0:33:39.320 --> 0:33:41.880
<v Speaker 1>out in the bay, Bay, Baby in the bay.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it turns out that the shellfish farm doesn't look

0:33:46.880 --> 0:33:49.960
<v Speaker 3>like an oyster reef to us, but a lot of

0:33:49.960 --> 0:33:53.160
<v Speaker 3>the organisms in the water perceive it is very similar.

0:33:53.280 --> 0:33:56.000
<v Speaker 3>If you're a little juvenile blue crab or a little

0:33:56.080 --> 0:33:58.959
<v Speaker 3>juvenile fish or shrimp, those are tough places to make

0:33:59.000 --> 0:34:01.680
<v Speaker 3>a living because it's you have nothing to protect you.

0:34:01.720 --> 0:34:03.800
<v Speaker 3>There's no safe corner.

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<v Speaker 1>So the oyster farms become the habitat that protects those

0:34:08.040 --> 0:34:09.800
<v Speaker 1>other sea creatures.

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<v Speaker 3>And if you think about it, the shellfish farm that

0:34:13.080 --> 0:34:15.320
<v Speaker 3>is out for example, on the eastern shore of Virginia,

0:34:15.840 --> 0:34:19.239
<v Speaker 3>those clams or those oysters are filtering that water the

0:34:19.320 --> 0:34:21.840
<v Speaker 3>same way that a reef would be. They eat the

0:34:21.920 --> 0:34:24.919
<v Speaker 3>excess food out of the water, which potentially can help

0:34:24.920 --> 0:34:29.279
<v Speaker 3>make the water clearer. And you know, beyond clearer water

0:34:29.480 --> 0:34:32.880
<v Speaker 3>just looking cleaner to us, the other environmental benefit of

0:34:32.960 --> 0:34:36.000
<v Speaker 3>clearer water is that sunlight gets through and then we

0:34:36.040 --> 0:34:39.240
<v Speaker 3>can see more things like aquatic vegetation growing on the bottom,

0:34:39.280 --> 0:34:42.000
<v Speaker 3>which we also know is a great nurse. We havebita listen.

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<v Speaker 1>I know we've said it before TT, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>we got to say it again. Oysters really feel like

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<v Speaker 1>the true MVPs.

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly, they're doing so much for the culture, the aquaculture, and.

0:34:54.840 --> 0:34:58.920
<v Speaker 1>You know, human efforts to improve the environment. Often we

0:34:58.960 --> 0:35:00.879
<v Speaker 1>don't get it right. We don't always get it right.

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<v Speaker 1>It's usually tied to some type of economic benefit, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>but it feels like here, I mean, I could be

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<v Speaker 1>missing something, but it feels like it's a win win. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it's time for the one thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Zee, what's our one thing this week?

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<v Speaker 1>Our one thing this week is really capturing the vibe

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<v Speaker 1>of this lab and it is an Instagram page Black

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<v Speaker 1>Girls the letter in Oysters. So black Girls in Oysters,

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<v Speaker 1>and this page is giving you all the vibes, all

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<v Speaker 1>the tips, recipes, suggestions. If you are into oysters like

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<v Speaker 1>we are, they recently had a real and it says

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<v Speaker 1>all the dudes and don'ts around eating oysters and I

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