WEBVTT - Justice is Served

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, there are folks. In this episode, Amy Robot goes

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<v Speaker 1>back to Catholic church. But why is it that I

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<v Speaker 1>was the one who felt like he was burning in hell? Also,

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<v Speaker 1>how a self proclaimed Jewish mom helped us in our

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<v Speaker 1>hour of need. Plus, I have drinks and I party

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<v Speaker 1>with Amy Robock's ex husband, and we are considering coming

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<v Speaker 1>to your city. We'd like to hear if you'd like

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<v Speaker 1>us to come by. And finally, our guest today poses

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<v Speaker 1>a question to us, and it may be the most

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<v Speaker 1>intriguing question we've been asked in a year and a half.

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<v Speaker 1>And with that, everybody, welcome to this episode of Amy

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<v Speaker 1>and TJ Robes. But first, can you call women out there? Girls?

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<v Speaker 1>Help me out? Why is it that you all wear

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<v Speaker 1>things that are clearly uncomfortable for the sake of being cute?

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<v Speaker 1>Robock helped me with that because we dealt with this.

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<v Speaker 1>We've been dealing with us for the past couple of hours.

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<v Speaker 1>You ain't come right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I have been trained since I can remember, Oh

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<v Speaker 2>trained you my mom and my grandmother that if it's

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<v Speaker 2>pain for beauty, it's pain worth having. You know, if

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<v Speaker 2>you're telling me I have to endure something because I

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<v Speaker 2>have to have some like medical treatment to survive, then

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to complain. But if it's just to look better,

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<v Speaker 2>I got this.

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<v Speaker 1>Why is that? Why that mindset? I don't think guys.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think guys do that, But why, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>think classically heels, you all will do whatever to wear

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<v Speaker 1>some sexy heels just in pain.

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<v Speaker 2>But your legs have never looked better in heels, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's worth it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's bizarre that you're no matter what I say, you're

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<v Speaker 1>justifying like I am the idiot for questioning that you

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<v Speaker 1>all might do this, not that you all might say.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what, maybe we should not be sacrificing our

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<v Speaker 1>physical comfort for the sake of looking good for whoever.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just it's just the level of pain and what

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<v Speaker 2>it's worth. So there's a scale. You know, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>gonna go be in I'm not gonna be suffering, but

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<v Speaker 2>if it's slightly uncomfortable but I look great, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>do it.

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<v Speaker 1>You're telling me you've never suffered for the sake of

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<v Speaker 1>what you how you.

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<v Speaker 2>Looked heals one percent. I've suffered without a doubt. So

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<v Speaker 2>you see when I walked a little slower ten maybe

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<v Speaker 2>it was like a seven on the scale of pain.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're talking about it now. I don't think it's pain,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's comfort you you today ever since I came by, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I came back by at ten am, and we were

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<v Speaker 1>just INU just me and you and Ava, and you're

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<v Speaker 1>adjusting your outfit. You kept, like, uncomfortably, you continued to

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<v Speaker 1>adjust your outfit. I didn't know what was going on,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I pieced it together, but you explained, and

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<v Speaker 1>then we got on the train and you were still adjusting.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you look adorable. Don't get me wrong, you are.

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<v Speaker 1>You are summer cute. I mean, it is fantastic, y'all

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<v Speaker 1>can't see it right now? She has this orange top

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<v Speaker 1>on what do you call this thing? It's what it's

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<v Speaker 1>a halter top, a halt the top. It's orange, it's bright,

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<v Speaker 1>it's banging. She has this short little skirt.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, probably you can't wear a bra with it, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So should I go here like normally? I mean, you

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<v Speaker 2>can go into the drug store, you can go anywhere

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<v Speaker 2>and get these little sticky things. So in lieu of

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<v Speaker 2>a bra, you're just you know, not exposing more than

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<v Speaker 2>you'd like. And so I left my sticky things at

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<v Speaker 2>your place.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, what are those things?

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<v Speaker 2>What they're called? They do? We know what they're called? Pedals?

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<v Speaker 1>Pedals.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, you can either like buy the ones that are

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<v Speaker 2>one and done so they just stick on to you

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<v Speaker 2>like a band aid, or you can get the kind

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<v Speaker 2>that have a little bit more silicone in them and

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<v Speaker 2>they just kind of stick to your chest and they

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<v Speaker 2>stay put. Well, I don't have them, so I use

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<v Speaker 2>you gut. Girls are going to laugh, so everyone knows.

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<v Speaker 2>This is also something that drives me crazy. Sports bras

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<v Speaker 2>you need a little padding sometimes, but they have these

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<v Speaker 2>inserts that come out constantly and you have to constantly

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<v Speaker 2>move them around, and when you're washing them, they fall

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<v Speaker 2>out in the dryer. I want to create a sports

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<v Speaker 2>bra that has them in place. Okay, sorry, okay, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>getting a preach from our producer here. Yes, uh, one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 3>So I took those out of a sports braud I

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<v Speaker 3>put them Wait what, I put them in my shirt

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<v Speaker 3>so that I have a little bit of but they're

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<v Speaker 3>not sticking like my sticky ones do, so they're moving

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<v Speaker 3>around a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, but you didn't have either of those options this morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, no, I have that on right now?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, you have that one. This is what you're wearing.

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<v Speaker 1>This is why you're adjusting. Folks don't know. I am

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<v Speaker 1>holding in my hand a weird padded thing that looks

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<v Speaker 1>like something you would use at a restaurant to even

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<v Speaker 1>the table out underneath if the tables. Okay, that goes

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<v Speaker 1>to the sports ra The reason I know that the

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<v Speaker 1>sticky things were not an option because the sticky things

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<v Speaker 1>are on my nightstand this morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, that's exactly what happened. So it's not that I'm uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just adjusting because they're moving around a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's what I mean. You're uncomfortable, You're not. You're

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<v Speaker 1>you're constantly adjusting something today.

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<v Speaker 2>But thanks for sharing on my phone.

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<v Speaker 1>But no, it's not a beauty No, no, no, I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not a beauty secret. Every woman knows what you're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about. Just I didn't understand why it was still

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<v Speaker 1>worth it to you to constantly adjust or have it

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<v Speaker 1>on your mind for the sake of being banged.

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<v Speaker 2>I just didn't want them to be anything extra showing

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<v Speaker 2>that shouldn't that's all.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you look great, hey, and yes, everybody, I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>We didn't plan on starting with that, but hey, that

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<v Speaker 1>was the train ride. But we have had a heck

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<v Speaker 1>of a week here last few days, the last few podcasts,

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<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of no, we appreciate it. We've

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<v Speaker 1>gotten a lot of feedback from you all, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>resonated to some degree, or at least a degree. We

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<v Speaker 1>were very proud of the event we had at SOHO

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<v Speaker 1>House in which it was our first time speaking in

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<v Speaker 1>front of a live audience. But the other episode of

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast that really got we got a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>feedback on and we were so proud of and happy

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<v Speaker 1>about was the episode that had that featured your parents,

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<v Speaker 1>who were happy, we're just coming to town because your

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<v Speaker 1>daughter was graduating high school, and we kind of just say,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, let's just happen. It wasn't a plan.

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<v Speaker 1>It really happened the day before the plan came together.

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<v Speaker 1>And what an episode is absolutely my favorite.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean you know what. It was sweet because

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<v Speaker 2>it was your idea. To be specific, you said, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>would your parents do the podcast with us? And I said,

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<v Speaker 2>I think so, but let me ask, And then we

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<v Speaker 2>joked and my mom wanted to know what we were

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<v Speaker 2>going to ask her, and you assured her it was

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<v Speaker 2>going to be nothing that she didn't already know the

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<v Speaker 2>answer to. But I've never seen them more comfortable. I've

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<v Speaker 2>kind of forced them over the years wherever I've worked

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<v Speaker 2>to do certain things on camera, and of course it's

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<v Speaker 2>not the thing you do for a living. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>little jarring, and you kind of are overthinking what you

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<v Speaker 2>should do or what you should say. But I saw

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<v Speaker 2>them at their absolute most comfortable. Honest, I was impressed

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<v Speaker 2>by them. But what I was most impressed by was

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<v Speaker 2>not only everyone's reaction to them, but your reaction to

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<v Speaker 2>them specifically. I appreciate everyone, by the way, who wrote

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<v Speaker 2>in on Instagram or on social media just to say

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<v Speaker 2>kind things about them, because everything that you wrote is true.

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<v Speaker 2>They are a salt of the earth, wonderful, beautiful, pious,

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<v Speaker 2>hard working, earn like beyond, and just to see other

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<v Speaker 2>people recognize that made me so happy. But I also

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<v Speaker 2>told you you sat yesterday and started to speak. You

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<v Speaker 2>re listened to the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>That was my first times it almost a week so

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<v Speaker 1>we recorded it. I didn't listen to it till almost

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<v Speaker 1>a week after we did it. It had already been out

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<v Speaker 1>there so yeah, I just as I was getting round

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<v Speaker 1>this decided to put it on and I was blown away.

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<v Speaker 2>And you came over really enthusiastically talking about how much

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<v Speaker 2>you appreciated my mom's honesty and her feistiness and her

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<v Speaker 2>humor and then my dad's quiet wisdom.

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<v Speaker 1>He nailed it every time.

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<v Speaker 2>And you said that, and honestly, like, I got tears

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<v Speaker 2>in my eyes seeing how much my man, my guy,

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<v Speaker 2>not only loves my parents but respects them and maybe

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<v Speaker 2>even more importantly likes them. And that has been huge.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, that is a big deal. With potential

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<v Speaker 2>in laws or just family members of the people you love,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't always go that way.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, I've liked hanging out with your parents

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<v Speaker 1>for years.

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<v Speaker 2>You have. You've always said that, And I've hung.

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<v Speaker 1>With your parents with you not around for years. You

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<v Speaker 1>have and almost preferred to hang out with your parents

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<v Speaker 1>when you're not around.

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<v Speaker 2>You've taken it a step too far. Okay, sorry, but

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<v Speaker 2>I genuinely felt so, Like, you know, it's like when

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<v Speaker 2>someone tells you they love your child, when you'd say that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, Like it's like an extension

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<v Speaker 2>of you and that you have no control over to

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<v Speaker 2>a large degree, and when you came over and just

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<v Speaker 2>were genuinely because I let's just say this about you.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you can be honest here. You don't necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>like a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 1>Does that sound so bad?

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<v Speaker 2>It's just you are discerning, you have You're very honest,

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<v Speaker 2>and it takes a lot, I think, for people to

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<v Speaker 2>impress you. It does.

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<v Speaker 1>What I'm saying, I don't. I don't waste time trying

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<v Speaker 1>to fool somebody into thinking that I like them or

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<v Speaker 1>I want to spend time with them. This was a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people said was to my detriment in media

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<v Speaker 1>and in big corporate in a big corporate world, I

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<v Speaker 1>never I've hung out. I've had bosses and presidents of

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<v Speaker 1>companies that I loved and hung out with as friends,

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<v Speaker 1>but never asked them to do anything for me. But

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<v Speaker 1>I've never been one to go kiss the ring or

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<v Speaker 1>try to make good with the boss just because. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and to that way, discerning, I just if I like

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<v Speaker 1>you, you know it. If I don't like you, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to spend time with you. It's you might not

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<v Speaker 1>know it, but.

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<v Speaker 2>You probably do know it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not because he's mean to me. It's because he's

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't show up, or he didn't call back, or

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't message back, or he did it's probably more so.

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<v Speaker 2>That I don't want that to be a negative because

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<v Speaker 2>one of the things I love about you is that

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<v Speaker 2>you are who you are. You don't put on airs,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't pretend you're the opposite of being a bullshit

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<v Speaker 2>or you are as real as they come. So in

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<v Speaker 2>a weird way, like because we were always friends, I

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<v Speaker 2>remember always feeling extra special because I knew you liked me,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, yay, he likes me, because you

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<v Speaker 2>know what when you do. But anyway, you came over

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<v Speaker 2>without them ever knowing or hearing or ever imagining that

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<v Speaker 2>I would say anything, but just I was so blown

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<v Speaker 2>away at your reaction to them and what they had

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<v Speaker 2>to say. So it was really it was really great.

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<v Speaker 1>So we left that podcast recorded with your parents. They

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<v Speaker 1>were here for the graduation now you all. We recorded

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<v Speaker 1>that at nine thirty in the morning that Thursday, and

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it was a rat race. After that. We

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<v Speaker 1>left the studio and we had to get set up

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<v Speaker 1>at your home to host about thirty people, and you

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<v Speaker 1>all had to leave for the graduation, which was at five,

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<v Speaker 1>but you all left plenty early. So I am left

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<v Speaker 1>at the house. There's no ice, there's no beer. There

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<v Speaker 1>was wine, but the food was coming. I had to

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<v Speaker 1>receive because I didn't actually go to the graduation at St. Patris.

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<v Speaker 2>We had a very limited number of tickets at Saint

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<v Speaker 2>Patt's because of the seating capacity.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe, yes, so I am okay being the good boyfriend,

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<v Speaker 1>which is great. That's that's fine. Okay. Now when you left.

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<v Speaker 1>Before you left, that was a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 1>panic because you got that many people. You need ice, yep,

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<v Speaker 1>drinks to keep things cold. The last thing I've said

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<v Speaker 1>to you when you were trying to order things, I said, Baby,

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<v Speaker 1>order too much ice.

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<v Speaker 2>You said, whatever, you do, order more ice than you

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<v Speaker 2>think we need.

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever you think. It's like being at the movie theater

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<v Speaker 1>and they give you butter and you say, hey, when

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<v Speaker 1>you think you put too much, put some more butter on.

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<v Speaker 1>It was one of those things, Baby, order too much ice.

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<v Speaker 1>I can let ice melt, but if I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>enough ice, it's gonna be a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>So you go to church for the graduation, yep, which

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<v Speaker 1>was at five. This was all we should look at it.

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<v Speaker 1>I assure it was the hottest, most humid day on

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<v Speaker 1>record in New York City this year.

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<v Speaker 2>It was crazy. I've not felt that kind of humidity

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<v Speaker 2>at all in maybe a year, like other than being

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<v Speaker 2>in New Orleans. It was that human.

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<v Speaker 1>There was that human. So they all go to the graduation.

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<v Speaker 1>They're sitting inside was the was the cathedral air condition.

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<v Speaker 2>It was lovely.

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<v Speaker 1>That's awesome. So I am. I'm at the house. The

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<v Speaker 1>food comes. Wonder if we have enough. I'm sweating, y'all.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm literally in her home with sweatpants on and no shirt.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hots. Also my inside outside.

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<v Speaker 2>And my AC doesn't work so well in the back.

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<v Speaker 1>Though, yeah, but yeah, and even one in the front

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<v Speaker 1>unevenly does run.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a really New York City.

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<v Speaker 1>What I'm saying, y'all is it was hot. The ice comes.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a cooler in this little outdoor area. The

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<v Speaker 1>ice comes for thirty people. There are one hundred cans

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<v Speaker 1>of beer and stuff that came. The ice isn't enough

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<v Speaker 1>to even fill up a third of the cooler. Whoops,

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<v Speaker 1>a third.

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<v Speaker 2>They were five pound bags, not twenty third.

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<v Speaker 1>Was called the cooler. So right, they're at the graduation.

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<v Speaker 1>I know they're going to be back at six thirty,

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<v Speaker 1>and people are going to start coming at seven thirty,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's five fifteen, five point thirty six o'clock. I

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<v Speaker 1>try to order ice Instacart and it says it can

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<v Speaker 1>be there between six fifteen and seven forty nine. Like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's cutting it too close. I gotta go get ice, yep,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of it. So this is what happens, y'all.

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<v Speaker 1>I do put on a.

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<v Speaker 2>Shirt at least before I leave, but you with sweatpants

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<v Speaker 2>and dress shoes.

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<v Speaker 1>Else I'm walking down in through Tribeca, y'all with sweatpants

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<v Speaker 1>and tasseled dress shoes, it's true, and a T shirt.

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<v Speaker 1>And I go to a seven eleven and I say, ma'am,

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<v Speaker 1>I need ten bags of ice, but I can only

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<v Speaker 1>carry about five on my own right now. Can I

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<v Speaker 1>pay you for them all? And then I'll come back

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<v Speaker 1>and make another trip. The lady says, you poor thing,

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<v Speaker 1>gives me a trash bag out from behind the counter,

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<v Speaker 1>says try this. I walk back with six bags two blocks.

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<v Speaker 2>In the heat like Sandy Claus.

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<v Speaker 1>Literally off me. I dumped that ice. I grab some

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<v Speaker 1>bags you have at the house. I go back to

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<v Speaker 1>seven eleven fill up with another. I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>twelve bags.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, while you're in church yep, and air conditioning.

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<v Speaker 1>You should be on fire.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know what's so sweet? He does all of this.

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<v Speaker 2>I come in, I don't know what he's been through,

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<v Speaker 2>and he doesn't tell me until the next day. He

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I didn't want to make you feel bad

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<v Speaker 2>or to worry about it, so I just did it.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't say anything about it. He didn't say one

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<v Speaker 2>word until the next day.

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<v Speaker 1>The whole party took place that night. Nothing. But the

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<v Speaker 1>next morning she got up and I woke her up

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<v Speaker 1>like this, like rattling ice in earth. Hear that ice? Baby.

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<v Speaker 1>I got started to see.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a reason why we have an ice is what

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<v Speaker 2>it is. I was like, oh my god, I'm so sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>You're like, that's why I didn't tell you. That's why

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't tell you.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's all right. The party was great. I mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, I was partying. Yes, I was having

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<v Speaker 1>drinks in the kitchen and having conversation with your ex husband.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, your first, yes, my first yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Ye're yes. At least the name is Dad was a

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<v Speaker 1>part of the festivity.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, their dad Tim and his wife Jess, who

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<v Speaker 2>they're both lovely people. They flew in from South Carolina

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<v Speaker 2>and so they were there and we were all in

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<v Speaker 2>this apartment together with my parents and by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>Sabine as well came in for the festivities and it

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<v Speaker 2>was beautiful. It went off without a hitch. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think I've ever had a party where I've had so

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<v Speaker 2>many people I'd never met before, because it was parents

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<v Speaker 2>of other young women who were all there together, and

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<v Speaker 2>it really just was this beautiful and you you made

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<v Speaker 2>it perfect, so thank you. Thank you. Had ice in

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<v Speaker 2>their drinks and that was very important.

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<v Speaker 1>Every every michaelob Ultra was cold.

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<v Speaker 2>It was. It was indeed.

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<v Speaker 1>The other part. Look, we had a series of podcasts

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<v Speaker 1>here that kind of got I guess got on more

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<v Speaker 1>of a personal note, but it was back in March

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<v Speaker 1>we told you all with the last couple of episodes,

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<v Speaker 1>we had an event at Soho House here in New

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<v Speaker 1>York and it it went well and we've gotten great

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<v Speaker 1>feedback from you all as well about the episodes. But

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<v Speaker 1>that only came about because of a friend of ours.

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<v Speaker 1>Mortin Akachuku is his name. He's the head of a

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<v Speaker 1>company called what Works, but a friend somebody went to

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<v Speaker 1>college with, but a robot we connected with here, reconnected

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<v Speaker 1>with I guess this year and he was the one

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<v Speaker 1>that sat us down and saying, you know, what you

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<v Speaker 1>guys should do? And it was his idea and we

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<v Speaker 1>said no, he said, not that sounds crazy. First of all,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody's going to show up. Who the hell wants to

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<v Speaker 1>show up and listen to us say anything was our

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<v Speaker 1>first thing. He just shook his head like, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>even know, you don't even know, so it it was

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<v Speaker 1>not our idea. We want to give him credit for it,

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<v Speaker 1>but us complaint said nobody's going to show up. There's

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<v Speaker 1>no way in hell. And sure enough, when tickets were

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<v Speaker 1>made available, he sent me a note said tickets went up,

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<v Speaker 1>they were going in an hour. So all the tickets were

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<v Speaker 1>going an hour. We had a packed house, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of standing room in the house. But it was a

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<v Speaker 1>big deal because we hadn't faced an audience in the

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<v Speaker 1>year and a half.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, and we talked about it when we

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<v Speaker 2>first started. If you all listened to the first live

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<v Speaker 2>episode from the SOHO House, I mean, we were saying

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<v Speaker 2>we were nervous. But my god, here just to explain

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<v Speaker 2>just how nervous we were. I mean TJ was pacing

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<v Speaker 2>and our hands were shaking, like if you put our

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<v Speaker 2>hands out, they were shaking. We had not been in

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<v Speaker 2>front of people other than a few select folks, so

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<v Speaker 2>we knew we were safe with We had never opened

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<v Speaker 2>ourselves up to an audience. We didn't know who said

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<v Speaker 2>yes to the tickets, we didn't know who was there,

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<v Speaker 2>we didn't know who would ask us what questions, and

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<v Speaker 2>we knew we were opening ourselves up to being asked anything,

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<v Speaker 2>and we genuinely prepared ourselves for every the worst, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The worst. We actually had a discussion about security. I said, sweetheart,

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<v Speaker 1>if so and so one happens, if this happens and

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<v Speaker 1>we need to go here, I'm gonna grab you and

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<v Speaker 1>were We actually had that discussion.

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<v Speaker 2>And not to be dramatic, I mean, this is the truth.

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<v Speaker 2>I had multiple emails that involved death threats. When the

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<v Speaker 2>first pictures went up, people were so angry, not just

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<v Speaker 2>about what they said was behind our relationship, but just

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that we were an interracial couple. I had

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<v Speaker 2>some racial fueled, you know, hateful emails that actually went

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<v Speaker 2>into descriptions about how they were going to kill us both.

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<v Speaker 2>So yes, there was genuine like, I know those are

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<v Speaker 2>outliers and random folks, but you just can't not take

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<v Speaker 2>that seriously in those moments when you first put yourself

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<v Speaker 2>back out there in the public.

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<v Speaker 1>And we were in a position we walk into the room,

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't essentially see the room until they Martin introduced us.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's Am and TJ. And we walk in and we're

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<v Speaker 1>seeing the room for the first time. Lights were on us.

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<v Speaker 1>It was we actually still couldn't really see the audience.

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<v Speaker 1>We didn't know who was in there. We knew we

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<v Speaker 1>had family members in there, the girls were in there,

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<v Speaker 1>we had friends in there, but we didn't know. But

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<v Speaker 1>it I can't tell you all and thank you all

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<v Speaker 1>enough for those who attended, but for those who received

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<v Speaker 1>the last couple of episodes of The Way You Have,

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<v Speaker 1>we appreciate it was a very big deal for us.

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<v Speaker 1>It was cathartic for us, and it was a It

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<v Speaker 1>was a way to turn a page in a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of ways, and we appreciate it. So thank you all

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<v Speaker 1>for taking the time to listen. For those of you

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<v Speaker 1>all who showed up, and one person who showed up

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<v Speaker 1>that night, and I mean it it was we had

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<v Speaker 1>We've been asked a lot of questions. We've considered a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of questions over the past year and a half.

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<v Speaker 1>This was one we hadn't even thought about and it

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<v Speaker 1>it jumped out at us and it threw us off

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<v Speaker 1>at the time. But it was such a good feeling

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<v Speaker 1>to know that the person that was asking us this

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<v Speaker 1>question is somebody we had no idea it was going

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<v Speaker 1>to be in the room, and who was kind of

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<v Speaker 1>somebody from our past to a certain degree that we

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<v Speaker 1>had worked with more specifically. But to know that this

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<v Speaker 1>person that showed up meant a lot, I think, and I

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<v Speaker 1>have no thing I've talked about this with you. To

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<v Speaker 1>know that Justice, Justice is a name showed up. It

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of a wow moment for me and it

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<v Speaker 1>actually put me at great ease when Justice stood up

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<v Speaker 1>and asked the question. But I have it right that

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<v Speaker 1>we felt the same. The question that Justice asked was.

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<v Speaker 1>It threw us like wow. I never thought about it

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<v Speaker 1>that way.

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<v Speaker 2>It was an amazing question and we didn't know. I

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<v Speaker 2>hadn't And it took you, I think, a second to

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<v Speaker 2>put two and two together. Who was asking the question

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<v Speaker 2>because again bright lights on us, we see someone stand

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<v Speaker 2>up and ask this question, and all of a sudden

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<v Speaker 2>you say, justice is that you justice? But it was

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<v Speaker 2>remarkable because yes, he made a parallel that I hadn't

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<v Speaker 2>even considered. Because if you all have listened to the

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<v Speaker 2>last two episodes, you'll know that our theme was shame

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<v Speaker 2>and shedding shame but acknowledging it all the same because

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<v Speaker 2>we're all in different ways go through it, but specifically

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<v Speaker 2>about relationships and then figuring out how to hold your

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<v Speaker 2>head up high, figuring out how to own your truth,

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<v Speaker 2>own your story, and not take on shame, especially when

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<v Speaker 2>it's coming from other people. And he made the parallel

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<v Speaker 2>between the LGBTQ plus community understanding exactly what that's like.

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<v Speaker 2>And I had never even thought about it from that perspective.

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<v Speaker 1>I even thought it was unfair to make a parallel sometimes,

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<v Speaker 1>like that's not fair. You're going into your unique thing

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<v Speaker 1>and there's no reason to find but it is there.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's some solace, even in some comfort, in

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<v Speaker 1>making those parallels. But Justice is at NYU grad a filmmaker,

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<v Speaker 1>actor writer here in New York, and I got to

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<v Speaker 1>know justice for the first time when we had Justice

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<v Speaker 1>on as a guest conversation between black men and something

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<v Speaker 1>we did at Good Morning America. Justice was a part

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<v Speaker 1>of that panel discussion. And someone who lights up a

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<v Speaker 1>room when they walk in and you call justice at

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<v Speaker 1>the end that night, you coined it, and you're one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred percent right. What did you call justice? At the

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<v Speaker 1>end of that night?

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<v Speaker 2>He looked to me and sounded to me like a

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<v Speaker 2>black angel, and that black.

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<v Speaker 1>Angel is with us. Now, Justice, say something. Make sure

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<v Speaker 1>now she sets you up. So whatever comes out of

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<v Speaker 1>your mouth now needs to sound very black and angelic.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh you want something that's on mute? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing, you know what, I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>We all like that's just perfect. Actually, you know, we're

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<v Speaker 2>all imperfectly perfect. So there you go. Whoops, mute on

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<v Speaker 2>mute Justice.

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<v Speaker 1>How are you doing.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm good? How are you guys? Thank you for having me?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh please, this is an absolute pleasure. I think maybe

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<v Speaker 1>even that night at the SOHO house we talked about

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<v Speaker 1>like we got to get you on. I you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>it was Robot more so than anything, say we've got

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<v Speaker 1>to get Justice on. And I can I start first

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<v Speaker 1>with pronouns. Your pronouns yeah, you go want to go

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<v Speaker 1>by our what.

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<v Speaker 4>I think as like identity.

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<v Speaker 5>Culture has become more and more like a parent and

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<v Speaker 5>kind of more incorporated in our culture. I start to

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<v Speaker 5>feel a little bit more pressure to like pick one

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<v Speaker 5>and pick a pronoun and like.

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<v Speaker 4>Kind of hold everyone to it.

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<v Speaker 5>But for me, I kind of think of pronouns for

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<v Speaker 5>myself as a like reflection of like my relationship with people.

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<v Speaker 5>And I am always kind of in this fluid space

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<v Speaker 5>of you know, like I'm going to the gym and

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<v Speaker 5>I'm putting my snapback on and and like my sweaty pants,

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<v Speaker 5>and like, I know that I look like a guy

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<v Speaker 5>during this moment, and I'm not gonna probably like I'm

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<v Speaker 5>not gonna get mad at someone says, hey, dude, what's up,

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<v Speaker 5>because I know they're at least talking to me and

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<v Speaker 5>at least want to connect with me. One thing that

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<v Speaker 5>I also try to use for myself is like I

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<v Speaker 5>think the best thing you can always do is call

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<v Speaker 5>someone by their name to like to them, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>and like people, that's people's favorite word. Also, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>like people love hearing their name, so like you could

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<v Speaker 5>never go wrong by being like hi Jacob or Hi Emily,

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<v Speaker 5>like they're always going to be fine with that, you know.

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<v Speaker 5>But also I also really I was doing a lot

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<v Speaker 5>reflecting when I was hearing your Getting Ready Today's story, Amy,

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<v Speaker 5>because I was like, oh my god, Like for me,

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<v Speaker 5>I've been learning that feminine is so much about like work.

0:24:43.040 --> 0:24:46.399
<v Speaker 5>There's so much work to be feminine, like being person

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<v Speaker 5>that a person that was born male. It's like, oh

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<v Speaker 5>my god, Like that is almost like what the feminine

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<v Speaker 5>essence is. It's like continue it. Like in the Western society,

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<v Speaker 5>it's like and like putting something on and keeping that together.

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<v Speaker 5>And you know, like even today it's like the minimal

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<v Speaker 5>amount of makeup I have on and YadA YadA is

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<v Speaker 5>like it still has to be placed right.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 5>And I thought about it, you know, and even when

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<v Speaker 5>I like go out and people might think, oh, that

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<v Speaker 5>could be a girl, like that took a lot of work.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think all women are doing that, you know

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<v Speaker 4>what I mean. I feel like all women are doing it.

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<v Speaker 4>Like yes, we act like it's just.

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<v Speaker 5>Like trans people or queer people getting themselves up. I'm like, no,

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<v Speaker 5>everyone is doing this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, we None of us walk up like this, none of.

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<v Speaker 5>Us, none of us looked like this. You know, and

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<v Speaker 5>so we're all putting it on.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, that's funny.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so happy you can relate to that. That's just

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<v Speaker 2>many stories. I know.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like the amount of like I don't know, just

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<v Speaker 4>like shirts.

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<v Speaker 5>Sometimes I'm just like, I don't know why I decided

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<v Speaker 5>to wear this because I can barely move, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>like I like I can't move in this dress or whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm like, oh, like you.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically walk out each day saying how much discomfort can

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<v Speaker 2>I tolerate to look like this? And then that's the

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<v Speaker 2>decision exactly exactly, And guys are like, then what?

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<v Speaker 4>And then sometimes I.

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<v Speaker 5>Think that about it, like you look so good and

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<v Speaker 5>I'm like, oh my god, yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>It was worth it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I was totally worth it.

0:26:25.000 --> 0:26:26.800
<v Speaker 5>I Like it's a word that I'm like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 5>I've been pain pain, had to toe pains.

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<v Speaker 2>What was it like being you growing up in Nebraska?

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<v Speaker 2>Did you see other people like you? Did you feel

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<v Speaker 2>out of place? Did you feel like you were able

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<v Speaker 2>to become the full version of you there?

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<v Speaker 5>I think I became a full version of myself Part one.

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<v Speaker 5>I think about that a lot, and I've learned to

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<v Speaker 5>not necessarily resent Nebraska because it does give me peace

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<v Speaker 5>and solace in times where like, you know, I've been

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<v Speaker 5>in New York for.

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<v Speaker 4>Almost eight years now, I think it's seven.

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<v Speaker 5>But like when you're in the middle of everything, it's

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<v Speaker 5>time sometimes nice to be in.

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<v Speaker 4>The middle of nowhere.

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<v Speaker 5>And with growing up in Boystown and growing up in Omaha,

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<v Speaker 5>I think I learned something that is really important, Like

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<v Speaker 5>I learned the importance of like brotherly love and as

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<v Speaker 5>a person that loves men and has queer relationships. I

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<v Speaker 5>feel very lucky that I felt that I had like

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<v Speaker 5>a community as a child, and now that community has

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<v Speaker 5>shifted and change. But I was never I always felt protected,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, because I had like eight older brothers, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>who were like, well, if you talk about justice, we're

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<v Speaker 5>ready to fight you.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. So but when was that for you? What

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<v Speaker 1>age was it for you that you knew something that

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<v Speaker 1>you were starting to realize and recognize how you felt

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<v Speaker 1>it might have been different from some of the other boys.

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<v Speaker 1>And then what is your we always ask, right, what

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<v Speaker 1>was your coming out story with your family and friends?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>So I think for me, like I've always been who

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<v Speaker 5>I am, and I think actually more and more now

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<v Speaker 5>I'm getting back to that person. My mom tells the

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<v Speaker 5>story of me watching like Glenn closes one hundred and

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<v Speaker 5>whatever Dalmatians and me like getting like a blanket and

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<v Speaker 5>like doing the whole performance as Crello Deville.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I was like full performance, foul drag.

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<v Speaker 5>Crello Deville, like three and it was just like and

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<v Speaker 5>I was just like, that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>So you started your villain earrow way back.

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<v Speaker 5>Then, oh, way back then. Like I knew, I knew

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<v Speaker 5>who I was meant to be. I knew I was

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<v Speaker 5>meant to be a villainous woman and that and that

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<v Speaker 5>is you know, I'm working towards that every.

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<v Speaker 4>Day, you know.

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<v Speaker 5>So, but yeah, I think my coming out story was

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<v Speaker 5>I'm it's always evolving. Like I came out as gay

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<v Speaker 5>my freshman year of college. There was this boy that

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<v Speaker 5>I had like this really cute summer romance with that

0:29:35.040 --> 0:29:39.120
<v Speaker 5>was also from Omaha, and I just like was like, well,

0:29:39.240 --> 0:29:41.400
<v Speaker 5>I'm actually doing gay things, so I should.

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<v Speaker 4>Come out as gay.

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<v Speaker 5>Like you know, like at first, I was like, I'm

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know if I'm gay because I didn't do

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<v Speaker 5>gay things.

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<v Speaker 4>When I was like, I'm doing.

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<v Speaker 5>Gay things now, so that I'm gay, you know, and

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<v Speaker 5>then over my time in Nebra, I mean in New York,

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<v Speaker 5>I started understand gender and kind of understanding that sexuality

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<v Speaker 5>is different than gender, and you know, kind of opening

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<v Speaker 5>that range up and now kind of like continuously coming

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<v Speaker 5>now in different ways. I guess, you know, it's like

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<v Speaker 5>I'm always I feel like I'm always shifting, I'm always changing,

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<v Speaker 5>and uh, but why is that?

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<v Speaker 1>What's the shift and change? You seem so the whole

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<v Speaker 1>time I've known you. It's only been a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>years now, but you always seem to be comfortable in

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<v Speaker 1>your own skin with who you are, never hiding anything. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it was the relationship we had, maybe it was

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<v Speaker 1>the environment that we had, but you sound like you're

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<v Speaker 1>still there's still some evolution of justice that's taking place.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think, you know, I think it is the comfortability.

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<v Speaker 5>I think like when we always connect, I feel like safe,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, And I appreciate that from you. But I

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<v Speaker 5>think I also grow. I'm also want to And I

0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:03.720
<v Speaker 5>moved to New York at seventeen. I went to a

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<v Speaker 5>space that I went to, a bubble that like allowed

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<v Speaker 5>me to be comfortable. I like went to NYU and

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<v Speaker 5>like it was like, oh yeah, like everyone's gay. Like

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<v Speaker 5>it was just like like it was just like, so

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<v Speaker 5>what are you gonna do? Like do you want to

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<v Speaker 5>go to Brooklyn? Do you want to see this drag show?

0:31:20.200 --> 0:31:22.440
<v Speaker 5>Do you want to go to I mean, you want

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<v Speaker 5>to go to this party?

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<v Speaker 4>Like it was just like.

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<v Speaker 2>Just as it's so funny. So you know, my daughter

0:31:27.680 --> 0:31:29.440
<v Speaker 2>is about to be a senior at NYU, and she

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<v Speaker 2>was actually just telling us about the drag and Playhouse.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you've been there, but she was

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<v Speaker 2>at playhouse last night and with telling me all about

0:31:37.560 --> 0:31:39.760
<v Speaker 2>the drag show and how she got pulled up on stage.

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<v Speaker 2>And so when you said everybody's like this at NYU,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm laughing because you're not wrong.

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<v Speaker 5>No, I'm like like and then there's the bubble, but

0:31:46.640 --> 0:31:49.680
<v Speaker 5>then you know, like you have to leave the bubble

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<v Speaker 5>and like something to come back here. I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 5>like I am different and you have to just I

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<v Speaker 5>don't know, maybe I'm also delusional or like I sometimes

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<v Speaker 5>have that feel like I actually live in a little

0:32:03.840 --> 0:32:06.760
<v Speaker 5>bit of delusion where like if I don't have like

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<v Speaker 5>this radical optimism around, like self confidence and believing in

0:32:12.960 --> 0:32:17.520
<v Speaker 5>myself and believing in other marginalized people like I would

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<v Speaker 5>just have like crippling anxiety and just fall apart.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's like I have to choose it.

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<v Speaker 2>To the point, Justice, I have a question, are there places?

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<v Speaker 2>Have there been places where you don't feel safe being you?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah? Of course, like I've felt unsafe in I think

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<v Speaker 5>my high school. I remember my high school right before

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<v Speaker 5>I left for college was twenty sixteen, and like the

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<v Speaker 5>whole like beginning of the Trump thing, and I was

0:32:45.480 --> 0:32:49.040
<v Speaker 5>just like friends were turning on me and family, friends

0:32:49.040 --> 0:32:55.640
<v Speaker 5>were turning on my family, and it was more honestly

0:32:55.760 --> 0:33:00.360
<v Speaker 5>racial than anything. This is just my my my life.

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<v Speaker 5>I felt more optracized race wise than queer wise, because

0:33:06.240 --> 0:33:09.600
<v Speaker 5>even within the queer community, like we can't deny like

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<v Speaker 5>there's like rampant racism, you know, like the queer community has,

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<v Speaker 5>especially with like white gay men, they have this very

0:33:19.360 --> 0:33:24.959
<v Speaker 5>fascist perspectives. They have their own kind of like like

0:33:25.280 --> 0:33:28.360
<v Speaker 5>you have to look like this and you will like it.

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<v Speaker 5>There's a lot of dynamics and that can review apart.

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<v Speaker 1>So wait, did that right, Justice, that you you you

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<v Speaker 1>feel more racism within the LGBTQ plus community than you

0:33:39.680 --> 0:33:42.760
<v Speaker 1>do as essentially in the community as a whole, do

0:33:42.800 --> 0:33:46.000
<v Speaker 1>you feel more racism? No, okay, not as a.

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<v Speaker 4>Whole, but I feel like it's equal.

0:33:48.080 --> 0:33:52.920
<v Speaker 5>I wouldn't pay that it's more, but I do feel

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<v Speaker 5>like it's definitely equal. And the thing is, is that

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<v Speaker 5>also the scary. One of my mentors last night this

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<v Speaker 5>to me, who was actually one of my professors, is

0:34:02.760 --> 0:34:07.600
<v Speaker 5>that it's really scary when people who have power or

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<v Speaker 5>privileged think they're innocent. And I thought about that and

0:34:13.560 --> 0:34:16.080
<v Speaker 5>I was like, oh, yeah, you're right, and like I

0:34:16.120 --> 0:34:21.600
<v Speaker 5>think specifically with like white gayness, it creates this like, oh,

0:34:21.640 --> 0:34:24.399
<v Speaker 5>but I'm not a white straight man.

0:34:25.360 --> 0:34:27.360
<v Speaker 4>You know, I'm innocent.

0:34:28.239 --> 0:34:31.399
<v Speaker 5>And then it's like, so I can fetishize black men,

0:34:31.960 --> 0:34:40.160
<v Speaker 5>I can adopt these these like ideals around like beauty

0:34:40.719 --> 0:34:46.040
<v Speaker 5>and that is, but I am innocent because I'm also marginalized.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to ask, I want to go back to

0:34:56.560 --> 0:34:58.359
<v Speaker 1>the SOHO House event again. We didn't know you were

0:34:58.360 --> 0:34:59.640
<v Speaker 1>going to be there, and I hadn't talked to you

0:34:59.680 --> 0:35:03.160
<v Speaker 1>since I don't think I had since you come on

0:35:03.560 --> 0:35:07.479
<v Speaker 1>for again conversations with black men special that we did.

0:35:08.760 --> 0:35:11.840
<v Speaker 1>You though, got up at the SOHO House event and

0:35:12.520 --> 0:35:14.719
<v Speaker 1>there were two moments that night. Yours was one of

0:35:14.760 --> 0:35:18.560
<v Speaker 1>them that put us at ease in such a way

0:35:18.840 --> 0:35:23.120
<v Speaker 1>that we couldn't ever have planned. But the first moment

0:35:23.280 --> 0:35:28.560
<v Speaker 1>was when I had actually told a friend of mine

0:35:28.560 --> 0:35:31.480
<v Speaker 1>who was a big time producer we love and respect

0:35:31.800 --> 0:35:33.880
<v Speaker 1>about the event, and she said, at the end of

0:35:33.880 --> 0:35:36.279
<v Speaker 1>that event, whatever you guys do, you need to make

0:35:36.320 --> 0:35:39.839
<v Speaker 1>sure those people just want to get up and embrace you,

0:35:39.920 --> 0:35:42.200
<v Speaker 1>like put just hug you. You got to make sure

0:35:42.200 --> 0:35:45.080
<v Speaker 1>how have you come across. Make sure you don't say, oh,

0:35:45.160 --> 0:35:46.840
<v Speaker 1>we were done wrong, and make sure you don't go

0:35:46.880 --> 0:35:49.400
<v Speaker 1>out there and do all that hooton and holland you

0:35:49.440 --> 0:35:51.640
<v Speaker 1>go out there and you explain yourselves and you talk

0:35:51.680 --> 0:35:55.279
<v Speaker 1>and you be sincere and they should want to put

0:35:55.320 --> 0:35:57.200
<v Speaker 1>their arms around you. And sure enough, when we got

0:35:57.239 --> 0:35:59.680
<v Speaker 1>done with our talk and we opened it up to questions,

0:35:59.719 --> 0:36:02.200
<v Speaker 1>one of the first things that happened is you said.

0:36:02.200 --> 0:36:03.680
<v Speaker 1>She announced herself as a.

0:36:04.000 --> 0:36:06.359
<v Speaker 2>I'm a Jewish mom, Yeah, Jewish mom, and she said,

0:36:06.360 --> 0:36:07.880
<v Speaker 2>the first thing I want to do right now to

0:36:07.920 --> 0:36:09.520
<v Speaker 2>both of you is give you a hug. And I

0:36:09.560 --> 0:36:11.360
<v Speaker 2>looked at TJ because he had told me. I was like,

0:36:11.400 --> 0:36:14.759
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, that was amazing, Like that's exactly what

0:36:15.200 --> 0:36:16.959
<v Speaker 2>you know. We were hoping there would be some level

0:36:16.960 --> 0:36:20.520
<v Speaker 2>of connectivity. And we're not playing the victim card. We're

0:36:20.560 --> 0:36:24.480
<v Speaker 2>not saying poor us. We're just all sharing an experience

0:36:24.520 --> 0:36:26.840
<v Speaker 2>that everyone can understand, which is that feeling of shame.

0:36:26.920 --> 0:36:28.319
<v Speaker 2>And that was what we were hoping to do, just

0:36:28.320 --> 0:36:30.360
<v Speaker 2>to connect. So anyway, yes, she stood up, Tej, you

0:36:30.400 --> 0:36:32.919
<v Speaker 2>got off the stage and you gave her a big

0:36:32.960 --> 0:36:35.600
<v Speaker 2>old hug, and I just thought, oh my goodness, this

0:36:35.719 --> 0:36:38.440
<v Speaker 2>is this is perfect the moment, but.

0:36:38.400 --> 0:36:40.600
<v Speaker 1>Then moment too, just this was when you stood up

0:36:40.640 --> 0:36:43.400
<v Speaker 1>and we didn't couldn't lay eyes on you because again

0:36:43.680 --> 0:36:45.560
<v Speaker 1>the audience was dark. We had the lights on us.

0:36:45.680 --> 0:36:47.600
<v Speaker 1>I still couldn't see you. But when you said, you

0:36:47.680 --> 0:36:50.759
<v Speaker 1>gotta be fucking kidding me, he's in here, and you

0:36:50.960 --> 0:36:54.200
<v Speaker 1>asked the question that we had not considered. He said,

0:36:54.239 --> 0:36:58.239
<v Speaker 1>do you all feel some kind of connection parallels with

0:36:58.760 --> 0:37:02.840
<v Speaker 1>the lgbt Q plus community with the idea of your love,

0:37:03.440 --> 0:37:06.719
<v Speaker 1>your relationship not being accepted. Do you feel some kind

0:37:06.760 --> 0:37:10.719
<v Speaker 1>of shame because it's for some reason your relationship is

0:37:10.760 --> 0:37:14.680
<v Speaker 1>looked at as one that is not accepted, And we

0:37:14.800 --> 0:37:19.640
<v Speaker 1>had never considered that before. So if you can help

0:37:19.719 --> 0:37:21.400
<v Speaker 1>us here for a moment. We haven't talked about it

0:37:21.440 --> 0:37:25.359
<v Speaker 1>that much, but that question, where did that question come from?

0:37:25.360 --> 0:37:28.000
<v Speaker 1>And what did you see? Again, we hadn't talked, but

0:37:28.080 --> 0:37:29.719
<v Speaker 1>I guess you'd seen the past year and a half

0:37:29.760 --> 0:37:32.360
<v Speaker 1>what she and I had been going through. But where

0:37:32.400 --> 0:37:33.759
<v Speaker 1>did that question come from?

0:37:34.840 --> 0:37:41.879
<v Speaker 5>I think it came from really just like I think

0:37:42.040 --> 0:37:45.759
<v Speaker 5>seeing what had happened over the past year and a

0:37:45.800 --> 0:37:55.439
<v Speaker 5>half and feeling solidarity there and feeling that frustration and

0:37:56.239 --> 0:38:00.440
<v Speaker 5>feeling frustration that kind of I have with my own

0:38:00.480 --> 0:38:04.359
<v Speaker 5>relationships and not feeling that they're validated. I just really

0:38:04.400 --> 0:38:08.440
<v Speaker 5>felt you guys, And I was like, oh, this is

0:38:08.640 --> 0:38:13.160
<v Speaker 5>kind of that. I was like, oh, there's there's like

0:38:13.320 --> 0:38:15.320
<v Speaker 5>in that moment. I was like, Oh, that's the connection.

0:38:15.560 --> 0:38:18.759
<v Speaker 5>Like I didn't know why I was so un I

0:38:18.800 --> 0:38:22.480
<v Speaker 5>was like, so I felt so weird about it, but

0:38:22.560 --> 0:38:26.440
<v Speaker 5>I was like, Oh, that's the connection because queer people

0:38:26.440 --> 0:38:30.759
<v Speaker 5>are constantly like attacked for the way that they love

0:38:31.680 --> 0:38:37.279
<v Speaker 5>and there's so many like stigmas around that, and uh.

0:38:38.760 --> 0:38:38.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:38:39.000 --> 0:38:41.799
<v Speaker 5>And I was also there on a date too, and

0:38:41.960 --> 0:38:45.200
<v Speaker 5>my date was like kept like whispering to me and

0:38:45.239 --> 0:38:48.600
<v Speaker 5>saying like, oh, I think this this feels like very

0:38:48.719 --> 0:38:50.799
<v Speaker 5>queer in a weird way, and I was like, yeah,

0:38:50.840 --> 0:38:54.279
<v Speaker 5>I think so. Like They're like, yeah, like we this

0:38:54.400 --> 0:38:57.520
<v Speaker 5>is like what we do all the time. And I

0:38:57.560 --> 0:39:01.480
<v Speaker 5>was like, yeah, you're right, like that is the feeling

0:39:01.560 --> 0:39:05.640
<v Speaker 5>that there's like a continuous fight, you know, for love,

0:39:06.440 --> 0:39:11.520
<v Speaker 5>and and they were there, Lido shout out to you

0:39:12.840 --> 0:39:14.319
<v Speaker 5>was like was like.

0:39:14.440 --> 0:39:19.880
<v Speaker 1>Or as he was known that night, the white Man.

0:39:18.280 --> 0:39:25.640
<v Speaker 2>My white Day, but nobody. It was so incredible because

0:39:25.640 --> 0:39:27.319
<v Speaker 2>I started thinking about it. You know, I know in

0:39:27.360 --> 0:39:30.040
<v Speaker 2>New York it probably mostly feels like a safe space

0:39:30.120 --> 0:39:33.920
<v Speaker 2>to hold hands with the person you're with, or just

0:39:33.960 --> 0:39:36.839
<v Speaker 2>to walk down the street in a loving way with

0:39:36.880 --> 0:39:39.760
<v Speaker 2>someone who you're with proudly with your head held up high.

0:39:40.400 --> 0:39:43.400
<v Speaker 2>That isn't something that just comes naturally or easily, I

0:39:43.400 --> 0:39:46.720
<v Speaker 2>would imagine, because you're thinking, everyone walking down the street

0:39:46.760 --> 0:39:49.480
<v Speaker 2>is judging me, Everyone walking down the street is thinking

0:39:49.960 --> 0:39:53.439
<v Speaker 2>I'm not okay with that. And so it a light

0:39:53.480 --> 0:39:55.319
<v Speaker 2>bulb went off for both of us when you put

0:39:55.320 --> 0:39:57.960
<v Speaker 2>it like that, because I never imagined I had never

0:39:58.000 --> 0:40:00.759
<v Speaker 2>known what that felt like, and yet suddenly we felt like,

0:40:02.000 --> 0:40:05.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, should we hold hands, should we walk down

0:40:05.560 --> 0:40:08.879
<v Speaker 2>the street together? Is it okay? If we give each

0:40:08.880 --> 0:40:12.400
<v Speaker 2>other a peck or you know, a loving kiss or whatever,

0:40:12.480 --> 0:40:17.640
<v Speaker 2>because it's I say, as he kisses my shoulder. But

0:40:18.440 --> 0:40:20.279
<v Speaker 2>there was a dilemma that I had never felt that

0:40:20.320 --> 0:40:25.200
<v Speaker 2>you all live with. I'm assuming most days, yes.

0:40:25.000 --> 0:40:28.680
<v Speaker 5>And I think it's also surveillance, right, It's like two

0:40:28.760 --> 0:40:33.640
<v Speaker 5>different types of surveillance. Like queer people are continuously surveiled,

0:40:34.120 --> 0:40:39.480
<v Speaker 5>and there is this like all these different viewpoints trying

0:40:39.560 --> 0:40:43.520
<v Speaker 5>to find the thing that is out of place, right,

0:40:43.719 --> 0:40:46.160
<v Speaker 5>And you guys also came from a different kind of

0:40:46.200 --> 0:40:48.680
<v Speaker 5>form of surveillance that had to do with you guys

0:40:48.719 --> 0:40:53.640
<v Speaker 5>being actually on like media and on camera, and so

0:40:54.440 --> 0:40:59.000
<v Speaker 5>you were already being surveiled and then you guys decided

0:40:59.560 --> 0:41:05.520
<v Speaker 5>to like live authentically within that surveillance and surveillance don't

0:41:05.600 --> 0:41:10.319
<v Speaker 5>like that like that like like surveillance does not like

0:41:10.480 --> 0:41:14.160
<v Speaker 5>you stepping out of place. It's kind of like that

0:41:14.200 --> 0:41:18.400
<v Speaker 5>big brother thing, you know, it's like, oh, what are

0:41:18.440 --> 0:41:23.080
<v Speaker 5>they doing? You know, like we did to go for them,

0:41:24.239 --> 0:41:26.239
<v Speaker 5>And yeah, it's very interesting.

0:41:26.920 --> 0:41:29.200
<v Speaker 1>I just have a couple of more things here for you,

0:41:29.600 --> 0:41:33.640
<v Speaker 1>one of them having to do with something you said

0:41:33.680 --> 0:41:38.000
<v Speaker 1>and you talk about surveillance, and you talked about we've

0:41:38.000 --> 0:41:40.600
<v Speaker 1>been talking about shame here, and I was embarrassed. You

0:41:40.840 --> 0:41:44.359
<v Speaker 1>explained it at the event, the so Who Else event,

0:41:44.719 --> 0:41:47.320
<v Speaker 1>But I had no idea that when you were brought

0:41:47.320 --> 0:41:50.000
<v Speaker 1>on and when the producers brought on as a guests,

0:41:50.080 --> 0:41:53.360
<v Speaker 1>I had no idea that you were asked to kind

0:41:53.400 --> 0:41:56.960
<v Speaker 1>of uh and you know, I will, I'll let you

0:41:57.000 --> 0:42:00.000
<v Speaker 1>say it the right way, but kind of tamp down,

0:42:00.120 --> 0:42:02.799
<v Speaker 1>to dumb down, to not be sow this or sow

0:42:02.920 --> 0:42:06.000
<v Speaker 1>that for the camera and for the sake of the

0:42:07.680 --> 0:42:11.360
<v Speaker 1>of the conversation. I had no idea about that until

0:42:11.400 --> 0:42:13.920
<v Speaker 1>you told me at the SOHO House event, and I

0:42:14.200 --> 0:42:17.520
<v Speaker 1>was embarrassed and hurt that that even came your way.

0:42:17.520 --> 0:42:20.400
<v Speaker 1>I guess that's maybe not It wasn't a surprise to you,

0:42:20.440 --> 0:42:24.120
<v Speaker 1>But can you explain you're you're asked to come on

0:42:24.200 --> 0:42:29.759
<v Speaker 1>and again to everybody? It was called Conversations with Black Men.

0:42:30.200 --> 0:42:33.680
<v Speaker 1>I was hosting this roundtable. I had one guy who

0:42:33.719 --> 0:42:36.440
<v Speaker 1>was kind of an entertainment guy had an activist, and

0:42:36.480 --> 0:42:39.520
<v Speaker 1>I had we had Justice and Justice was supposed to

0:42:39.520 --> 0:42:44.799
<v Speaker 1>represent a certain segment of black manhood and you came

0:42:44.840 --> 0:42:47.400
<v Speaker 1>on Justice. What was it you were trying to explain

0:42:47.440 --> 0:42:50.360
<v Speaker 1>to us that the producers were explaining to you how

0:42:50.400 --> 0:42:52.000
<v Speaker 1>to be when you got on the air.

0:42:53.680 --> 0:42:58.760
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, thank you so much. I think with going

0:42:58.800 --> 0:43:02.560
<v Speaker 5>on conversation with the Black with Black Men, I knew

0:43:02.560 --> 0:43:04.000
<v Speaker 5>that I had to be fought.

0:43:03.760 --> 0:43:04.640
<v Speaker 4>For to be there.

0:43:05.400 --> 0:43:12.440
<v Speaker 5>I knew that my perspective was like being like, I

0:43:12.480 --> 0:43:14.600
<v Speaker 5>knew that people were fighting for me to be there

0:43:14.680 --> 0:43:17.440
<v Speaker 5>because I don't think it was like a normal thought.

0:43:17.320 --> 0:43:20.800
<v Speaker 4>To have someone like me on that panel. And also

0:43:22.360 --> 0:43:25.319
<v Speaker 4>I did feel pressure to.

0:43:27.520 --> 0:43:30.080
<v Speaker 5>Like conform, and I think it was just like this

0:43:30.200 --> 0:43:33.279
<v Speaker 5>double surveillance again that happened, where like the surveillance of

0:43:33.320 --> 0:43:36.120
<v Speaker 5>knowing I'm a queer person here, but then there's also

0:43:36.200 --> 0:43:41.760
<v Speaker 5>the surveillance of like Disney and ABC and knowing like, oh,

0:43:42.239 --> 0:43:48.600
<v Speaker 5>like I am, I'm not Disney. I have to create

0:43:48.719 --> 0:43:58.120
<v Speaker 5>this version of me that is palpable and like stays

0:43:58.920 --> 0:44:01.600
<v Speaker 5>close to the status WHOA. It was just like hey,

0:44:01.719 --> 0:44:10.200
<v Speaker 5>like stay, don't go too far, you know, And that is.

0:44:11.320 --> 0:44:13.360
<v Speaker 2>You were told not to be too much of yourself.

0:44:14.600 --> 0:44:18.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, don't go too far. Yeah, but I think.

0:44:18.320 --> 0:44:20.840
<v Speaker 2>How did you feel? How did you feel when the

0:44:20.880 --> 0:44:21.960
<v Speaker 2>producer said that to you?

0:44:22.520 --> 0:44:24.799
<v Speaker 5>The truth is I'm also like kind of used to

0:44:24.840 --> 0:44:27.880
<v Speaker 5>it though, Like I know that sounds wild, but like

0:44:27.960 --> 0:44:30.319
<v Speaker 5>I'm kind of used to it, and I kind of

0:44:30.440 --> 0:44:35.520
<v Speaker 5>already like read between the lines and figure out like,

0:44:35.600 --> 0:44:38.640
<v Speaker 5>oh yeah, like I am probably one of the first

0:44:38.960 --> 0:44:44.719
<v Speaker 5>people like me to be here sometimes like I understand that,

0:44:44.880 --> 0:44:49.600
<v Speaker 5>like I'm already kind of creeping into something that is.

0:44:51.080 --> 0:44:56.560
<v Speaker 4>Uh like uncharted territory for someone like me.

0:44:58.840 --> 0:45:02.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm actually surprised, is it someone said don't be yourself?

0:45:02.239 --> 0:45:04.879
<v Speaker 2>Because you know, we're always talking to people, were saying, hey,

0:45:04.920 --> 0:45:07.799
<v Speaker 2>be yourself, like for you know, answer questions honestly. But

0:45:08.280 --> 0:45:10.719
<v Speaker 2>to know that you're telling someone don't be too much

0:45:10.760 --> 0:45:12.960
<v Speaker 2>of yourself or don't be it's almost like saying, don't

0:45:13.000 --> 0:45:16.719
<v Speaker 2>be too queer, don't be too black, don't haven't you

0:45:16.760 --> 0:45:18.359
<v Speaker 2>been told? Know what I'm saying.

0:45:18.640 --> 0:45:21.200
<v Speaker 1>No, No, you just you nailed it. I'm good by

0:45:21.320 --> 0:45:23.400
<v Speaker 1>one hundred percent. Get it soon as you said that.

0:45:23.400 --> 0:45:25.719
<v Speaker 1>That does everything else. I get it now. But I

0:45:26.520 --> 0:45:29.240
<v Speaker 1>felt bad and I apologize because I obviously missed something.

0:45:29.280 --> 0:45:32.280
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to make sure you were comfortable. I remember

0:45:32.320 --> 0:45:34.400
<v Speaker 1>you came in. You were a little shy. I mean,

0:45:34.440 --> 0:45:35.920
<v Speaker 1>you were the one that didn't have as much I

0:45:35.920 --> 0:45:39.560
<v Speaker 1>guess on camera experience or TV experience, certainly new experience

0:45:39.640 --> 0:45:42.120
<v Speaker 1>like that. I was actually making an argument that I

0:45:42.239 --> 0:45:46.280
<v Speaker 1>wanted you to sit closer to me on set because

0:45:46.480 --> 0:45:48.000
<v Speaker 1>you were kind of more of the quiet. I say,

0:45:48.200 --> 0:45:51.000
<v Speaker 1>I need good physical proximity to maybe be able to

0:45:51.000 --> 0:45:53.680
<v Speaker 1>talk to justice, make sure justice is open and comfortable.

0:45:53.880 --> 0:45:56.640
<v Speaker 1>You were on the end, which ended up working, and

0:45:56.680 --> 0:45:59.800
<v Speaker 1>you were great for that panel discussion. But I was

0:45:59.800 --> 0:46:02.399
<v Speaker 1>good going out of my way to try to make

0:46:02.440 --> 0:46:05.840
<v Speaker 1>sure you were comfortable, not realizing that I was battling

0:46:05.880 --> 0:46:08.319
<v Speaker 1>my own show team that was trying to get you

0:46:08.360 --> 0:46:10.560
<v Speaker 1>to be something else. So for that I missed and

0:46:10.600 --> 0:46:13.920
<v Speaker 1>I apologized, but it was just it was so I mean,

0:46:15.120 --> 0:46:17.319
<v Speaker 1>it was so wonderful to hear you at the Sawhouse event.

0:46:17.360 --> 0:46:20.680
<v Speaker 1>You stood up and said you remembered, and you recalled

0:46:21.520 --> 0:46:24.319
<v Speaker 1>how I tried to make you feel comfortable. I had

0:46:24.320 --> 0:46:25.960
<v Speaker 1>no idea if I'd ever see you again the rest

0:46:25.960 --> 0:46:29.200
<v Speaker 1>of my life, and I'm just sometimes we get it right,

0:46:29.239 --> 0:46:31.640
<v Speaker 1>and maybe Mama Rays is right. And I was trying

0:46:31.680 --> 0:46:34.680
<v Speaker 1>to make you as comfortable as possible. So that meant

0:46:34.719 --> 0:46:36.120
<v Speaker 1>a lot that you stood up and said.

0:46:35.880 --> 0:46:39.560
<v Speaker 5>That, yeah, it was great, like it might be things

0:46:39.560 --> 0:46:41.279
<v Speaker 5>that are kind of going out of styles like the

0:46:41.400 --> 0:46:42.880
<v Speaker 5>media training.

0:46:42.520 --> 0:46:46.239
<v Speaker 2>Thing or like yeah, that's help, you know.

0:46:46.840 --> 0:46:47.319
<v Speaker 4>It's like.

0:46:49.360 --> 0:46:54.279
<v Speaker 5>And I feel lucky that I'm kind of in that

0:46:54.320 --> 0:46:57.120
<v Speaker 5>space where those things are falling apart because people want

0:46:57.120 --> 0:47:00.200
<v Speaker 5>to see the real versions of people within media, like

0:47:00.280 --> 0:47:03.320
<v Speaker 5>as an artist, like I don't have to always bite

0:47:03.360 --> 0:47:07.040
<v Speaker 5>my tongue. But the truth is is that, like I

0:47:07.239 --> 0:47:11.480
<v Speaker 5>do know that there will be moments in the future

0:47:12.520 --> 0:47:19.719
<v Speaker 5>that I will have to weigh those two things like, hey,

0:47:19.840 --> 0:47:22.000
<v Speaker 5>do you want to be Do you want to really

0:47:22.040 --> 0:47:23.240
<v Speaker 5>say that right now?

0:47:24.440 --> 0:47:31.760
<v Speaker 4>Or do you want to plan to seed and.

0:47:34.239 --> 0:47:38.439
<v Speaker 5>Grow and move forward within your own career and things

0:47:38.440 --> 0:47:41.200
<v Speaker 5>that you want and then you can come back and

0:47:41.239 --> 0:47:42.200
<v Speaker 5>be like all right here.

0:47:42.239 --> 0:47:45.160
<v Speaker 2>It is just it's so interesting hearing you say that,

0:47:45.200 --> 0:47:47.719
<v Speaker 2>because yes, TJ just said, that's very mature of you

0:47:47.840 --> 0:47:50.920
<v Speaker 2>to not be immediately offended and say this is me,

0:47:51.080 --> 0:47:53.239
<v Speaker 2>take it or leave it, because you actually have a

0:47:53.280 --> 0:47:56.839
<v Speaker 2>goal to win the hearts and minds of folks who

0:47:56.880 --> 0:48:00.319
<v Speaker 2>want to put people in certain categories and say, ah, see,

0:48:00.320 --> 0:48:02.040
<v Speaker 2>that's why I don't like them because they say this,

0:48:02.160 --> 0:48:05.439
<v Speaker 2>that or the other. But I wonder, after having had

0:48:05.440 --> 0:48:08.400
<v Speaker 2>the experience you had and getting a little bit older.

0:48:08.840 --> 0:48:11.640
<v Speaker 2>If approached and told to do the same thing, would

0:48:11.680 --> 0:48:15.520
<v Speaker 2>you comply or would you say I appreciate what you're saying,

0:48:15.560 --> 0:48:17.680
<v Speaker 2>but I'm gonna be me, Like do you feel like

0:48:17.800 --> 0:48:23.080
<v Speaker 2>now you might be more willing to say what you

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<v Speaker 2>really feel versus let someone tell you to water yourself down.

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<v Speaker 5>I think what I would have done is I would

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<v Speaker 5>have been like, okay, cool, like I get it, but

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<v Speaker 5>then I would have just done it anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Like I like that, do you.

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<v Speaker 5>Know what I mean? I think that's kind of what

0:48:38.160 --> 0:48:42.200
<v Speaker 5>I would have done. I would have been like okay, cool, yeah, but.

0:48:42.080 --> 0:48:43.200
<v Speaker 4>Like just done it anyway.

0:48:44.640 --> 0:48:49.879
<v Speaker 5>Like personally, for me, I am still learning to be more.

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<v Speaker 4>Steady within myself.

0:48:54.320 --> 0:48:57.880
<v Speaker 5>I am still learning to like take up space and

0:48:57.960 --> 0:49:02.279
<v Speaker 5>not always be you know, like sunshine and rainbows. You know,

0:49:02.400 --> 0:49:04.680
<v Speaker 5>like even the thing you're like, oh, justice like lights

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<v Speaker 5>up a room, and I think that is also a

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<v Speaker 5>defense mechanism.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, toxic positivity is that what it's called. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's what my daughter told me.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's like it's like, oh, like I half light

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<v Speaker 5>up the room or I'm gonna be the villain or

0:49:18.040 --> 0:49:19.600
<v Speaker 5>they're gonna find out I'm the villain lady.

0:49:19.719 --> 0:49:21.239
<v Speaker 4>You know what I mean. You know what I mean.

0:49:21.280 --> 0:49:24.000
<v Speaker 5>They're gonna find out that I'm plenty somewhere or like

0:49:24.160 --> 0:49:27.560
<v Speaker 5>I am you know, I have like I am stressed,

0:49:27.560 --> 0:49:30.279
<v Speaker 5>and I'm not always happy, and I have anxiety, and

0:49:30.320 --> 0:49:32.479
<v Speaker 5>I am depressed and all these different things. We're gonna

0:49:32.480 --> 0:49:36.560
<v Speaker 5>find that out if I don't beam. So I need

0:49:36.600 --> 0:49:38.440
<v Speaker 5>to beam being beam.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, And sorry, man, we need you to. I

0:49:42.560 --> 0:49:45.920
<v Speaker 1>was like, I can't wait to talk to Justice. Justice

0:49:45.920 --> 0:49:50.480
<v Speaker 1>got so much good great. We don't want to hear

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<v Speaker 1>justice for us.

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<v Speaker 5>I know, I know, but it's true, you know what

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<v Speaker 5>I think. But I think that is often a thing

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<v Speaker 5>with marginalized people.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like we have to you know, excellent time and

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<v Speaker 1>have a bad dame. Yeah, yeah, well, Tila, you you

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<v Speaker 1>meant and I mentioned at the top here, but you

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<v Speaker 1>are You're a You're a filmmaker. You're on film. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's two maybe three. Notes on a Siren

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<v Speaker 1>is your latest that came out this year. But this

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<v Speaker 1>is the second of the third helped.

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<v Speaker 5>Me of my films. Yeah, this is kind of this

0:50:27.520 --> 0:50:30.040
<v Speaker 5>is like kind of my second. But I've done some

0:50:30.320 --> 0:50:35.040
<v Speaker 5>like commissioned films, for like between like for like Calvin

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<v Speaker 5>Klein and MTV.

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<v Speaker 1>But Notes on a Siren is the latest one and

0:50:39.200 --> 0:50:43.280
<v Speaker 1>it keeps everywhere I read it calls it a video essay.

0:50:43.440 --> 0:50:45.480
<v Speaker 1>Is that an accurate accurate description of it?

0:50:46.520 --> 0:50:49.040
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's a video essay. It's uh.

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<v Speaker 5>Me really like turning the camera back on myself again.

0:50:57.719 --> 0:51:00.359
<v Speaker 5>Like I also went to school tiss for acting for

0:51:00.360 --> 0:51:04.360
<v Speaker 5>two years and I was like, I need to I

0:51:04.760 --> 0:51:08.360
<v Speaker 5>want to see more stories that incorporate me in the

0:51:08.360 --> 0:51:10.160
<v Speaker 5>ways that I want to be incorporated. And I was like,

0:51:10.160 --> 0:51:12.239
<v Speaker 5>I guess I have to do that for myself, and

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<v Speaker 5>so I kind of got swooped away in the filmmaking

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<v Speaker 5>of it all, and Notes on a Siren is my

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<v Speaker 5>reintroduction into being on camera and looking at actually how

0:51:27.560 --> 0:51:31.520
<v Speaker 5>the camera does transform us and like what does that

0:51:31.560 --> 0:51:36.240
<v Speaker 5>surveillance make us into? And like for me, I found

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<v Speaker 5>I with the mockumentary and kind of this whole thing

0:51:39.840 --> 0:51:43.040
<v Speaker 5>we've created with that film is it made me into

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<v Speaker 5>this possessed siren creature.

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<v Speaker 4>By the end of the.

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<v Speaker 1>Movie, Well you gotta watch it. I mean, whatever you're doing,

0:51:50.960 --> 0:51:55.600
<v Speaker 1>you take it. It's fourteen minutes or something, a short film, right, Yeah, Okay, yeah, yeah,

0:51:55.600 --> 0:51:58.640
<v Speaker 1>I watched it, and I saw more of Justice than I.

0:52:00.080 --> 0:52:01.839
<v Speaker 2>Than I.

0:52:01.960 --> 0:52:12.040
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I watched You said you watched it, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, and it was bold, you know. It was

0:52:12.760 --> 0:52:16.880
<v Speaker 4>my first movie was like literally like Black Disney.

0:52:17.320 --> 0:52:17.560
<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>It was like Patter.

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<v Speaker 5>Raise a black Boy, Little Boys in the Woods, everything

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<v Speaker 5>so beautiful. But this is just like, I don't know,

0:52:27.600 --> 0:52:31.000
<v Speaker 5>it's like, you know what, I want to be a

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<v Speaker 5>bit more honest and push myself and have and not

0:52:40.239 --> 0:52:43.359
<v Speaker 5>be confined, you know, and like that's really it.

0:52:43.400 --> 0:52:45.799
<v Speaker 1>Like I was like, all right, you were not confined

0:52:45.920 --> 0:52:48.000
<v Speaker 1>in this, uh, this film at all. It's called Notes

0:52:48.040 --> 0:52:49.880
<v Speaker 1>on a Siren. It might as well be called notes

0:52:49.880 --> 0:52:54.520
<v Speaker 1>on My Naked Black ass' it's it's.

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<v Speaker 4>My naked black ass.

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<v Speaker 1>Play with that title, would you want?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>I think I'm also like, I'm like, what else am

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<v Speaker 5>I going to be able to be naked on screen

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<v Speaker 5>like that?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, definitely do it in your twenty So I

0:53:09.680 --> 0:53:11.600
<v Speaker 2>think that's a really that was a good call on

0:53:11.640 --> 0:53:13.439
<v Speaker 2>your part. Go ahead and do it when you're at

0:53:13.480 --> 0:53:14.239
<v Speaker 2>your finest.

0:53:14.520 --> 0:53:18.960
<v Speaker 5>Yes, I was like, we're gonna preserve this on tell you, Lloyd,

0:53:19.320 --> 0:53:24.479
<v Speaker 5>it's gonna be there, and you know that's that.

0:53:24.440 --> 0:53:27.080
<v Speaker 1>On that and again I'm laughing that we joke about it.

0:53:27.160 --> 0:53:30.759
<v Speaker 1>That is not what the film is. Yes, there's a

0:53:30.800 --> 0:53:32.400
<v Speaker 1>moment of expression in the front, the mirror and the

0:53:32.400 --> 0:53:34.239
<v Speaker 1>whole thing you're going through, but it is kind of

0:53:34.280 --> 0:53:36.719
<v Speaker 1>a trip, a journey you take people on, and it

0:53:36.800 --> 0:53:39.280
<v Speaker 1>is artistic and it is really cool. It's not something

0:53:39.280 --> 0:53:42.680
<v Speaker 1>that I would have naturally probably gravitated towards if somebody

0:53:42.719 --> 0:53:44.719
<v Speaker 1>just randomly told me about it, but obviously I checked

0:53:44.719 --> 0:53:47.280
<v Speaker 1>it out because of you. But it clearly shows talent

0:53:47.800 --> 0:53:49.640
<v Speaker 1>and it's cool and it's it's fun to watch, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think everybody should check it out. It's called Notes.

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<v Speaker 2>On a Siren Well Justice, Thank you so much. I

0:53:55.840 --> 0:53:59.640
<v Speaker 2>can't wait to see what's to come, because you are

0:53:59.800 --> 0:54:04.040
<v Speaker 2>just beginning and you are finding your voice and through

0:54:04.160 --> 0:54:06.920
<v Speaker 2>art and it's just beautiful. And just the fact that

0:54:06.960 --> 0:54:09.440
<v Speaker 2>you were able to stand up you touched us, You

0:54:09.520 --> 0:54:12.200
<v Speaker 2>touched everyone in that room, and you're going to continue

0:54:12.200 --> 0:54:14.040
<v Speaker 2>to do that in so many ways, I know, through

0:54:14.080 --> 0:54:17.040
<v Speaker 2>your art and through just being you and feeling that freedom,

0:54:17.239 --> 0:54:21.399
<v Speaker 2>that shameless freedom to be yourself. So thank you. You inspire us,

0:54:21.600 --> 0:54:24.359
<v Speaker 2>and we hope everyone listening was inspired by you as well.

0:54:25.400 --> 0:54:28.000
<v Speaker 5>Thank you, you guys inspire me as well. I'm so

0:54:28.200 --> 0:54:31.560
<v Speaker 5>thankful and yeah, thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Justine, love you, brother Bankes. You tell you, folks,

0:54:34.320 --> 0:54:36.600
<v Speaker 1>we said hello, the family said hello, and we will

0:54:36.600 --> 0:54:37.560
<v Speaker 1>see you back here in New York.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, Okay, love you guys too.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, folks, that is absolutely one of our favorite

0:54:45.080 --> 0:54:47.400
<v Speaker 1>people that we've got the chance to spend time with

0:54:47.440 --> 0:54:49.320
<v Speaker 1>over the past a year and a half for a

0:54:49.360 --> 0:54:51.960
<v Speaker 1>lot of reasons. But we will be seeing justice here

0:54:51.960 --> 0:54:55.359
<v Speaker 1>in studio, and folks, we again appreciate you so much,

0:54:55.400 --> 0:54:57.800
<v Speaker 1>those of you showed up at the Soho House event

0:54:58.880 --> 0:55:01.680
<v Speaker 1>and those of you who were hearing from and it

0:55:01.719 --> 0:55:05.759
<v Speaker 1>has sparked an idea in US, and we give our

0:55:05.800 --> 0:55:08.000
<v Speaker 1>friend Martin credit for coming up with the idea of

0:55:08.000 --> 0:55:11.719
<v Speaker 1>the Soho House event. But we are getting request and

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<v Speaker 1>we are putting together a potential plan to maybe come

0:55:14.280 --> 0:55:16.879
<v Speaker 1>to a city near you, not a city near you,

0:55:16.880 --> 0:55:19.800
<v Speaker 1>your cities. A lot of people says city.

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<v Speaker 2>Or year you. I guess it's maybe saying that we're

0:55:22.280 --> 0:55:24.160
<v Speaker 2>going to go to some of the bigger cities. And

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<v Speaker 2>so yes, we are kind of putting a list together

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<v Speaker 2>of the cities that we would like to maybe initially

0:55:30.480 --> 0:55:33.040
<v Speaker 2>start with see what the receptionist see. If you all

0:55:34.760 --> 0:55:38.359
<v Speaker 2>are enjoying coming to see us live on stage, it's fun,

0:55:38.440 --> 0:55:40.760
<v Speaker 2>it's exciting. Anything can happen. You can ask us anything.

0:55:40.800 --> 0:55:43.040
<v Speaker 2>That's the other cool part. We love the idea of

0:55:43.080 --> 0:55:45.319
<v Speaker 2>opening it up to questions. It worked out well in

0:55:45.360 --> 0:55:47.839
<v Speaker 2>New York, so we hope the same would be said.

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<v Speaker 2>But I know we already have a few cities in mind.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so that's something else that we are considering it again.

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<v Speaker 1>And we appreciate you all for embracing us, and we

0:55:59.600 --> 0:56:02.040
<v Speaker 1>might be in a city right around the corner from

0:56:02.040 --> 0:56:05.040
<v Speaker 1>you very very soon, So folks, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, you can always find us on our Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>at Amy and TJ Podcast. Now we'll see you soon.