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Speaker 1: Welcome to Forties and free Agents. I am Greg Rosenthal.

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Speaker 1: I am joined by the best draft analyst in the business.

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Speaker 1: But that's not all he does. I saw him on

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Speaker 1: Monday night walking out of the drunkest NFL game of

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Speaker 1: the season, Chargers Eagles. He's already been taping podcasts Move

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Speaker 1: the Sticks today, and now he's here for the only

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Speaker 1: job that really means anything to him, Forties and Free Agents,

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Speaker 1: where we talk a little free agency and we talk

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Speaker 1: some rookie class in this show.

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Speaker 2: Every time that music hits Forties and free Agents, the

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Speaker 2: hair on my arm stands up a little bit. Greg.

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Speaker 2: It's just it's hard to describe. I'll put it that way.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to wait as long this time around,

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Speaker 1: or I guess we got one month to go. So

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Speaker 1: if you've been listening, we're checking in during the season.

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Speaker 1: On today's show, we're going to do some rookie class

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Speaker 1: check in who's been getting better throughout the course of

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Speaker 1: the season. I might hit some guys who maybe have

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Speaker 1: been disappointing in terms of the rookie class. And then

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Speaker 1: when we reconvene and you hear that song again, DJ

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Speaker 1: after the end of the regular season, and we'll be

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Speaker 1: going weekly through the draft talking about the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: six draft. I'm going to start building my big board.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to get inspired by you. Get my free

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Speaker 1: agency board, get all the positions ready. But that's for

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Speaker 1: next time. For this time, we're going to do one

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Speaker 1: last look back at this rookie class because one thing

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Speaker 1: I love about it, it's a lot of times by

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Speaker 1: this point in the season, you know, this week fifteen,

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Speaker 1: like they look like different players than they were in

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Speaker 1: Week six. So we'll go through each position. Why don't

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Speaker 1: we start at quarterback and we're just going to kind

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Speaker 1: of pick out a guy that we think is getting

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Speaker 1: better as the season goes on. I might throw out

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Speaker 1: some guys a little disappointing. Why don't you get us going?

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Speaker 2: Sure? I mean, I'm actually gonna start with Tyler Shuck

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Speaker 2: because nobody talks about him. It's the Saints. They're not

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Speaker 2: really haven't been really a watchable product, but they've got

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Speaker 2: a couple wins as of late. And Tyler Schuck used

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Speaker 2: the phrase like, who are the guys that are getting better?

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Speaker 2: Who's a sending? And it's a I can't underscore it's

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Speaker 2: it's just a massive development if he is able to

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Speaker 2: prove over these last few games and continue doing what

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Speaker 2: he's doing, making some plays with his legs, showing the

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Speaker 2: athleticism still inconsistent, you know, with some of the decision making,

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Speaker 2: some of the accuracy can kind of ebb and flow

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Speaker 2: a little bit. But you've got the size, you've got

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Speaker 2: the athleticism. He's got a big arm. Sounds like by

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Speaker 2: all accounts, you know good, you know good in the room,

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Speaker 2: smart leadership, all the intangible stuff is there, and you're

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Speaker 2: seeing the performance tick up. If that takes them out

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Speaker 2: of the quarterback market, it really frees this team up.

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Speaker 2: It solves a lot of issues for them, and they're

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Speaker 2: going to have they'll have then eventually, once they get

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Speaker 2: the cap all lined up, they're going to have some

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Speaker 2: and they're going to have draft capital to be able

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Speaker 2: a massive development for this program.

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Speaker 1: Month is a long time in the NFL, But if

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Speaker 1: he continues to play just how he's playing, I'd be

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Speaker 1: stunned if they drafted a quarterback in Yeah, I'm with him.

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Speaker 1: It's a huge development. I didn't expect it. I had.

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Speaker 1: I had my doubts coming into this season. His athleticism

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Speaker 1: They had some design runs for him last week where

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Speaker 1: he is making that Bucks defense look slow. I think

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Speaker 1: the decision making has been good. That was the thing

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Speaker 1: He holds onto the ball and takes some sacks, but

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's played better than what the box scores indicate too.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's not going to wow you with where

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Speaker 2: And I'll give you one more name here quickly, because

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Speaker 2: I know everybody's going to be curious about it. Sugar

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Speaker 2: there was a pretty large gap between the Browns rookie

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Speaker 2: it up if I went by a position. Shador was

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Speaker 2: my second quarterback. He was my twentieth overall player, and

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Speaker 2: coming through the draft process, and we all need to

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Speaker 2: rehash how we ended up where we ended up. But

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Speaker 2: I think he's clearly shown that he is he's more

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Speaker 2: likely try and push the ball down the field. I know,

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Speaker 2: the chunk of salt, not the grain of salt that

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Speaker 2: people want to say. The Raiders and the Titans, you know,

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Speaker 2: which I like seeing. There's still other stuff that continue

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Speaker 2: they'll play some better quality of competition if he can

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Speaker 2: keep it up. But this is along the same lines

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Speaker 2: all the draft capital that they accumulated from Jacksonville, like

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Speaker 2: the and you look at just if they can duplicate

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Speaker 1: That would be bold for Shador to take them out

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Speaker 1: of the quarterback market. Now, the next four games will

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Speaker 1: But he's made pro throws and I think there's been

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Speaker 1: think Gabriel just kind of proved just where he is. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like yourself, maybe it was just the evaluators that saw

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Speaker 1: him closer to the Tyler Shuck range. Okay, maybe that's

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Speaker 1: All right, let's go to the running back throughout mind. First,

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Speaker 1: how about last week? And again, you got to be

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Speaker 1: careful coming off these Raiders games. It's like it's like

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Speaker 2: But R J.

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Speaker 1: Harvey good receiver, shorthanded, and I think he showed in

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Speaker 1: test the last week or two where he's just running

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Speaker 1: he really looks like a guy that you can help

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I pulled back up my notes pre draft, a

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Speaker 2: mix of Tarik Cohen and Freeman, thinking about remember how

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Speaker 2: good will old player Freeman was. Runs low to the ground, burst,

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Speaker 2: there as well. DeVante Freeman, by the way, he's such

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Speaker 2: an underrated player for those few years. He was really good.

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Speaker 1: He was great. I love a guy who just runs

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Speaker 1: as a Patriots fan. I do remember his maybe most

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Speaker 2: Kind of a big game. Can I give you mine

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Speaker 2: two guys, because there are four names that I wrote

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Speaker 2: run the ball well there with Houston, but the two

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Speaker 2: I would say Judkins number two and Kyle Manungai number

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Speaker 2: go to the year, and it shouldn't be a surprise

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Speaker 2: you start to see some of these power guys really

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Speaker 2: throw him in the wildcat once again. Inside the ten

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Speaker 1: He's proven that he's just got to remember the play

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Speaker 2: Pitch the ball. That's all not the best play call,

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Speaker 2: but we probably need to pitch it.

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Speaker 1: He's awesome. I would take him over Gent. I don't

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Speaker 1: think that's overreacting. If you had to reach back.

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Speaker 2: Is incomplete. I mean I've seen them twice. I've seen

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Speaker 2: genty twice and Greg, I mean they're awful.

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Speaker 1: Awful, they really are, so I hear you, and that's

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Speaker 1: why I completely complete. Yeah, but I feel like if

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Speaker 1: he was Jean Robinson or Sakuon, I would just see.

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Speaker 2: Those guys though a little more. We said. He'd never

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Speaker 2: said he was those guys.

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Speaker 1: That's fair. I just love what I see out of

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Speaker 1: Junkins and uh, that's just my take. So he was

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Speaker 1: be a good pro ashing Genty have a good career.

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Speaker 1: But just in terms of a guy, maybe is it

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Speaker 1: that next level ability time?

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Speaker 2: It was the wrong time to pick the running back.

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Speaker 2: Fair and that's that's the way we shake this. If

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Speaker 1: Was great point. I love Woody Marks too. Tougher than

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally am with you on that they found

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Speaker 1: That's before that's before your time. I know how old

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Speaker 1: You you talked up this tight end class going into it,

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Speaker 2: a send. I mean, Harold Fan and JR. Spent Since

433
00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,359
Speaker 2: you've seen Shooter get in there, it's a favorite target

434
00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,520
Speaker 2: and I love how they're used him. He's like an

435
00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:52,160
Speaker 2: old school Frank Whychek, like true h back where you'll

436
00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,640
Speaker 2: see him in some fullback. He's in the wing, he's

437
00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,760
Speaker 2: winning down the field on corner routes, like he's using

438
00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:00,840
Speaker 2: a variety of ways, but he's like it not like

439
00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,360
Speaker 2: a hand in the ground, traditional white tight end. He's

440
00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,600
Speaker 2: like an old school h back. And I don't know,

441
00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,760
Speaker 2: I just I always liked, I always appreciated guys like

442
00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,159
Speaker 2: Frank Whitechek. I was like, that's just he he like

443
00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,440
Speaker 2: plays his own positions, Like there's not many of those

444
00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,880
Speaker 2: guys that played that spot and have that role, which

445
00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:15,280
Speaker 2: he does.

446
00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of like Hawes, who you mentioned, Jackson Hawes,

447
00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,240
Speaker 1: who's like a sixth offensive lineman. But every once in

448
00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:22,840
Speaker 1: a while they'll they'll throw it to him and he's

449
00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,320
Speaker 1: out there. Been awesome fan and I had written down

450
00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,720
Speaker 1: he is not that far behind now the production in

451
00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:32,440
Speaker 1: terms of yardage of Tyler Warren and Tyler Warren's having

452
00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,680
Speaker 1: one of the best tight end rookie seasons we've seen.

453
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,840
Speaker 1: Fannon is fourth in Fantasy points if you're into that thing.

454
00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:42,080
Speaker 1: Since since week ten he was my guy too. And

455
00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,800
Speaker 1: you can see him he can change direction. They had

456
00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:46,840
Speaker 1: him like on a on a fade last week in

457
00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:48,600
Speaker 1: the red zone. They have him on like a wheel

458
00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,840
Speaker 1: route out of the backfield, like you mentioned. Just really versatile.

459
00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:53,480
Speaker 1: But you could you could choose any of those guys,

460
00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:57,000
Speaker 1: including Loveland, who there love a lot on his plate.

461
00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,480
Speaker 2: Right. One of them a game, I mean, just that's

462
00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,280
Speaker 2: one was at Cincinnati right where you call it the

463
00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,240
Speaker 2: one down the scene, bounces off the tackle late in

464
00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:07,040
Speaker 2: the game and takes it in. So he's been a

465
00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:10,119
Speaker 2: field stretcher, get big time, big playmaker, and you can

466
00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,080
Speaker 2: see that. That's Caleb's trust and confidence in him is

467
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,639
Speaker 2: just continues to grow. That's gonna be. That's it's my

468
00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,320
Speaker 2: favorite offense right now. I try and watch the Bears

469
00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,479
Speaker 2: every week, and I know people are people lose their

470
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,639
Speaker 2: minds on both sides of Caleb. I'm excited, you know

471
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,760
Speaker 2: what I see and kind of where it's headed and

472
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,040
Speaker 2: where it's going. But just to like, in terms of

473
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,840
Speaker 2: watching like a pleasure watch for me, even if there's

474
00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,119
Speaker 2: some misfires here and there, it's fun to watch that.

475
00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:34,520
Speaker 2: All those young guys. Man.

476
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, the run game, the path game, it's all been good,

477
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,440
Speaker 1: and so that's why it's hard to have a disappointment

478
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,160
Speaker 1: at tight end. Maybe the disappointment is teams are letting

479
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:43,919
Speaker 1: these guys fall in the draft too far. I mean,

480
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,760
Speaker 1: if you look how valuable some of these second round

481
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,199
Speaker 1: guys in this class are, maybe they're falling too far.

482
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:54,240
Speaker 1: I guess Terrence Ferguson and Arroyo they're they're having the

483
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,560
Speaker 1: more usual trajectory where they're trying to get into the mix,

484
00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:57,960
Speaker 1: but they have.

485
00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 2: Veterans a lot of mouths in front of those offense.

486
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,560
Speaker 1: Yes, Terrence Ferguson is a big, impressive athlete and has

487
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,919
Speaker 1: had a few really nice catches, but right now they

488
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 1: have veterans in front of him. Why don't we take

489
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 1: a quick break and then we'll come back on the

490
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 1: other side. We'll do all the linemen and the defensive

491
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:27,359
Speaker 1: players on forties and free agents back on forties and

492
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 1: free agents, looking at the development of this rookie class.

493
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,159
Speaker 1: I know Daniel Jeremiah just loves to geek out talking

494
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 1: about offensive lineman who has caught your eye in a

495
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 1: draft where a lot of guys got taken high. I

496
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 1: guess that's every class lately, but especially this class.

497
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 2: Well, to me, I'm going to go right to the

498
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,679
Speaker 2: top of the interior offensive line list. For me in

499
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,679
Speaker 2: the draft, it was Tyler Booker was my number one

500
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 2: guy at seventeen. Gray Zabel was my number two guy

501
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,360
Speaker 2: at twenty six, and I think both guys if you're

502
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,960
Speaker 2: going to say, who are the cleanest, safest players in

503
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,119
Speaker 2: the draft, even though greys Abel wasn't coming from a

504
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 2: you know, traditional powerhouse power forlo program at North Dakota State,

505
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 2: those guys, to me, I thought were the safest, highest

506
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,120
Speaker 2: floor players. And not only have they you know, their

507
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 2: bad moments been few and far between, but they're actually

508
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,400
Speaker 2: playing at a really really high consistent level for both

509
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,640
Speaker 2: their teams and two of the better offenses really when

510
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 2: you get what they're able to do.

511
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and versatile at guard too. You said you're watching

512
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,159
Speaker 1: the Bears every week. I'm going to put you on

513
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 1: the spot. Yeah, I see Trapilo who if you just

514
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:35,959
Speaker 1: look at the numbers, I can't say I'm you know,

515
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,120
Speaker 1: breaking down his film. He's only had three starts, which

516
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 1: really didn't happen until injuries, but he's only given up

517
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 1: seven pressures in those three starts against good pass rush teams.

518
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,919
Speaker 1: No quarterback hits in, no sacks in those games. So

519
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:51,479
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've seen anything out of him,

520
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: but they got to be happy since he came into

521
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:53,679
Speaker 1: the lineup.

522
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:55,239
Speaker 2: I'm going to pull up my notes on I want

523
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 2: to see what pick was he here? He was late

524
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 2: second was a fifty six, fifty sixth overall, so he

525
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,439
Speaker 2: was fifty six overall, so he was my He was

526
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 2: my seventy second player. He was my sixth offensive tackle.

527
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 2: I compared him to having Stein though right tackle, lockout, control,

528
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:21,159
Speaker 2: stays attached balance, He's effective in combos, he can recover.

529
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 2: I wrote, function over fashion, not always the prettiest, but

530
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 2: gets the job done by the way having Stein having Stein,

531
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 2: I say it wrong every time. What do we got Rob?

532
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,679
Speaker 1: I think it's stein Steen.

533
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think I should have remembered.

534
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 1: Fifteen years with this team and been playing forever. I shouldn't.

535
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 2: But that was my comparison to him, and that's someone

536
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 2: who just gets the job done. And Chapillo has done that.

537
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:44,640
Speaker 2: He's in a nice job.

538
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 1: I also give a shout out to Kevin Banks. I

539
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 1: know the Saints fans are very happy with them. He

540
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: is out there on an island, just quietly getting the

541
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 1: job done and left tackle for them each and every week.

542
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 1: If I was looking for a guy who's been struggling,

543
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 1: it's not new but Jonah savanea for Miami has had

544
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 1: his struggles this year. I don't think it's really turned

545
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 1: around during the season. So that that was a high

546
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 1: pick that they hoped to get me.

547
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, pull up my notes on him. He was my

548
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 2: fifty is a forty seventh player.

549
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: He went a little higher than that. The rumors were

550
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 1: that the Patriots were eyeing him for the pick that

551
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 1: went that ended up being Trevon Henderson. That the Miami

552
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: traded up in front of New England because they thought

553
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 1: New England was going to take him. We'll see if that.

554
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 1: I mean, there's no way to know if that's true.

555
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 2: Right tackle wide bass clamps his hands, he's stiff, pull

556
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,120
Speaker 2: can't adjust, he can wash DT's down line of scrimmage.

557
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 2: Not a lot of Polish strong hands. Doesn't roll his hips.

558
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,439
Speaker 2: So I thought he was a little bit stiff and

559
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 2: just a little little raw there. So it sounds like

560
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 2: that's I haven't studied him, so I'll take your word

561
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 2: on it.

562
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 1: And he's playing inside and you just see a lot

563
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: of a lot of blown blocks. So that running game

564
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 1: is is fun to watch. Let's flip it while we're

565
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: on the Dolphins. I'm going to go off the board.

566
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 1: I'm throwing my my defensive lineman picks right at you,

567
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 1: and it's this guy, Jordan Phillips for the Dolphins. He's

568
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 1: showing up fifth round pick. One of those drafts where

569
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: the guy you took later is out playing your first

570
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: round pick in Kenneth Grant and he's just a guy

571
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 1: that pops. It's not a good defensive line class. That

572
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: was my takeaway going through this exercise trying to pick someone. Overall,

573
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: it hasn't been great, but he looks like a guy

574
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,959
Speaker 1: who's going to contribute to the Dolphins down line.

575
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 2: Jordan Phillips, you know who My comparison was for him,

576
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 2: hardgrave body type wise, kind of remind me a hardgrave,

577
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 2: wide four point stance, a little laid off the ball.

578
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 2: He's violent, club swim, He's got some real shock in

579
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 2: his hands, pure bowl, not a lot of polish. But

580
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,880
Speaker 2: you'll see him like Forkliff guys like just a real

581
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 2: strong power player, a good player.

582
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: So maybe that's why he's popped enough for me to

583
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: just write him down a few times. It's just like

584
00:26:55,840 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: he looks stronger than the pro competition, which is impressive

585
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: to do, you know, as a rookie.

586
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 2: All that's good stuff to me. The name that I

587
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 2: wanted to highlight was Josias Stewart, which is another draft,

588
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 2: a coup for the Rams and less sneed. He's got

589
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 2: a thirteen point four percent pressure percentage, which is extremely high.

590
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 2: And I was thinking about what's the through line with

591
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 2: all these successful defensive linemen that the Rams have, and

592
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,120
Speaker 2: you know, you talk about all different shapes and sizes.

593
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 2: You can even look at some of this the speed

594
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 2: and can be a little bit. I mean, they want

595
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 2: guys who are explosive, but speed can be a little

596
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 2: bit up and down, a little different there. All of

597
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 2: their players will play with tremendous leverage and whether or

598
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 2: not they're shorter, or whether or not they can really

599
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 2: roll their hips and bend like they they are going

600
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 2: to challenge your breaks. I call them like it's like

601
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 2: an Amco pass rush. They are going to test the

602
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 2: breaks of every single offensive lineman. They're going to leverage

603
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 2: them and they're going to go through them, and Josiah

604
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 2: Stewart was penalized a little bit because he was undersized.

605
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 2: If I remember correctly, he did not or he ran

606
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 2: poorly at his at his pro day, he was in

607
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 2: my top fifty at one point in time. Let me

608
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 2: see where he ended up on mine because I had

609
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 2: dropped him through the process. I think there might have

610
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 2: been some medical stuff as well, but he ended up

611
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 2: one eleven on my list at one point time. Again,

612
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 2: he was like forty nine to fifty range, undersize both

613
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 2: of lightning. He plays balls to the wall, has a

614
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,439
Speaker 2: shake bowl dip rip, he plays much bigger than he

615
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 2: is at the point of attack. He at tax blocks,

616
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 2: he plays with big energy. So again that's always a lesson.

617
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,239
Speaker 2: This happens every year, and you tell yourself, don't do it.

618
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 2: Trust trust what you saw on you know, first look,

619
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 2: first glance, don't let the fog of confusion. And Phil

620
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 2: Savage just to always say that about the spring, it's

621
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 2: like the fog of confusion. Just put your grades and

622
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 2: cement after the season's over. But man, the guy I

623
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 2: dropped him fifty slots and clearly he should not have

624
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 2: been dropped that far.

625
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: Well, you know, Phil Savage didn't have to come up

626
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: with weekly rankings with your your editor, Ali Bonte down

627
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: your throat. He's like, we got to move him around

628
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: a little bit and cement, what are we doing here, Dan.

629
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 2: Park content machine. We're just trying to keep that thing running. Man.

630
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: A couple disappointing defensive playing and by the way, the

631
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: Falcons edges have both played pretty well.

632
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 2: Piers fourteen point pressure rate, which is very good.

633
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: And I think Jalen Walker looks like he's going to good.

634
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: The problem is that the coach might not be there

635
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: next year. It's going to be a different scheme, and

636
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: that's that's always the risk with these teams that are

637
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: changing coaches. Abdull Carter, I wouldn't say he's been bad,

638
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: but he hasn't been consistent. And when you get suspended

639
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: or at least benched twice in the span of three weeks,

640
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: that's not great. And Mike Green for the Ravens man,

641
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 1: they could have really used him. It's a lot to

642
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: ask in a rookie edge rusher, second round pick to

643
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: just pop right off the bat, but they could have

644
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: really used him and hasn't been great, hasn't been making

645
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: a huge impact. I think he was the guy that

646
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: was at fault for that Jalen Warren touchdown that long

647
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: play last week. And so those are a couple guys

648
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: higher that haven't really done too much.

649
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, Abdul Carter's pressure percentage better than his production. He's

650
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 2: got a twelve point eight percent pressure percentage, which is solid.

651
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 2: Only one and a half sacks. But where you're picked,

652
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 2: and as somebody who is as talented as anybody in

653
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 2: the entire draft class, you expected a lot more production,

654
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 2: even in a crowded room, even in a team that's

655
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 2: not playing with the lead very often. He should be

656
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 2: more impactful than he's been. And the one thing I

657
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 2: would say about this kind of collection of guys I

658
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 2: think on the whole, I would say maybe a little

659
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 2: underwhelming in terms of the number of guys that were

660
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 2: picked high, and the production is not necessarily matched that

661
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 2: at this point in time. But of all the positions,

662
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 2: defensive linemen can take a minute and some of the

663
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 2: best defensive linemen in the league go look at their

664
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 2: first second year statue won't be blown away, and you

665
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 2: see guys get better and better. It's a major adjustment

666
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 2: at that position in the NFL.

667
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially on the interior that can be true, but

668
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: really everywhere. I mean, that's that's true of the linebackers.

669
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: At least that's what you know, we think. But we

670
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: might have a Rookie of the Year.

671
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 2: I kind of expect that I wrote one name Dallas

672
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 2: once a one man, it's Carson Seweesssinger, and that's and

673
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 2: then there's a golf and then there's everybody else. And

674
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 2: I could come up and I could talk about Teddy

675
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 2: Buchanan and talk about some of these other guys. But

676
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 2: I'm like, it's almost as a disservice to Sweationnger to

677
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 2: not just constantly give him his flowers every time we

678
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 2: do one of these episodes, because he's not just the

679
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 2: best rookie linebacker, he's playing like one of the best

680
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 2: linebackers in the NFL.

681
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: What a great pick and what a great story he is,

682
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: and what a great evaluation not just by the Browns,

683
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: but but yourself and a lot of people who had

684
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: had him so high with such a small sample size

685
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: and not like a traditional five star background or anything.

686
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: But he's the man. It's reminded me of I feel

687
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: like back in the day. Every year it was a

688
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: linebacker like him popping up, but would win Defensive Rookie

689
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: of the Year is like Patrick Willis or gerro Mayo Jackson, right,

690
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: well Jackson. The Patriots actually had another one, who am

691
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: I forgetting? That wasn't Mayo, but either way it was.

692
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: It was someone every year and like, Okay, I'm going

693
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: to watch that guy for seven eight years, and I

694
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: feel like we haven't. Darius Leonard was another one, changed

695
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: his name to shak and I think Schwessinger is one

696
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: of those dudes. We're just going to be watching him

697
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: for a decade.

698
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a fun player, he's a great player. Let's

699
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 2: get to the secondary. Greg, I'm gonna I'm gonna give

700
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 2: you two and I grouped him together. Now I want

701
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 2: to say this. Will Johnson's coming off the worst game

702
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 2: ahead of the whole year. The Rams target him. I

703
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 2: think even from a statistical standpoint, I don't think he'd

704
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 2: given up a first down catch and like the previous

705
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 2: handful of games, four or five games, and gave up

706
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 2: five in this game, including two touchdowns. It was his

707
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 2: worst game of the year. Prior to that, he's played

708
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 2: pretty good. He's he's been a really solid player. So

709
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 2: I wanted to group him Will Johnson with Nick Amm

710
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 2: and Warri, who were two guys that were fallers in

711
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 2: the draft who were viewed as first round picks through

712
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 2: the vast majority of the entire process. If I was

713
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 2: going to pull up war I had them rated. Let

714
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 2: me see where I had them in that last one here,

715
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 2: So safety wise, Emon Worri, let's start there. Emon Worre

716
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 2: was my fifteenth overall play and he fell to the

717
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 2: second round, and then we go to the corners. Will

718
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 2: Johnson was my sixteenth player, so I had him at

719
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 2: fifteen and sixteen for various reasons. One with you know,

720
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 2: injuries was a part of it. With Will Johnson, people

721
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 2: worried about I believe it was this knee if I

722
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 2: can remember correctly, didn't run, so there's some questions about

723
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 2: his speed. But he's played well for Arizona Cardinals. Seem

724
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 2: that's had a rough year, so I think that's been great.

725
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 2: And then even warr it's been fun Like there's some

726
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 2: you'll see a little blood on his hands every week

727
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 2: where he might you know, get beaten coverage here there,

728
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 2: but he's been dynamic near the line of scrimmage. He

729
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 2: makes splash plays and he can tell he's going to

730
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 2: be really really good. So both those guys first round

731
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 2: players didn't go in the first round.

732
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: So I like the big pat on the back that

733
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: that was for yourself of highly he ranked them. Yeah, No,

734
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: I just like I was right, gms don't know what

735
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: they're doing.

736
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 2: No, you want to know what's you want to know

737
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 2: what's this is the this that's not the pat. This

738
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 2: is the the pat on the back is. I didn't

739
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 2: have either one of them in my final mock draft.

740
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 2: That's the two different jobs. Greg. It's the what I

741
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 2: see of him. But then also so they're not going

742
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 2: to go in the first round because usually we only

743
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 2: get one safety. There's usually not a room for a

744
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:06,959
Speaker 2: lot of safeties in there. So even Wai's going to

745
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 2: get punished. And then with Will Johnson with some medical

746
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 2: could fall.

747
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: Out for a couple of nights every year. You you

748
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: are the pre eminent insider. Forget Ian Rappaport. He tries

749
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: to get in on doing stuff during the draft. You

750
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 1: know what, you know what's going on.

751
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's why I get anywhere from four to

752
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 2: six of those thirty two picks right in a mock draft.

753
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: You're not above yourself very back, I hear a.

754
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 2: Great is that? What's a great percentage? That would be? Well? Now,

755
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:34,760
Speaker 2: but I know it used to be an academic school.

756
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 2: So can you do the math on that or no?

757
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: I mean we've we've long been a football school. I

758
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: was the two Lane King, an announcer for Sean King.

759
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: Let's go everyone honking about Oh two lane doesn't deserve

760
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 1: to be in there compared to these big teams. Hey,

761
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: how about not like lou how about about taking accountability?

762
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: All these adults who oh take accountability leadership in the

763
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: second something doesn't go against that goes against them and

764
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: it totally arbitrary, like opinion process where you lost your

765
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: biggest games of this season. Do they take any responsibility

766
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: for that at all? Like a quarterback would like they

767
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 1: would want a leader to No, they just whine and

768
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 1: cry and that's loser behavior too. Lane would never.

769
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 2: Does Mewelde Moore lead you guys out of the tunnel

770
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 2: in this playoff game? Who's gonna? I hope? So?

771
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:22,439
Speaker 1: I hope.

772
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 2: So any secondary players you want to out there? Do

773
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 2: you want to contribute to this podcast at all? Are

774
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 2: you good? I?

775
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: Well, I didn't get to you know, bag on the

776
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: Bengals linebackers. By the way they were down. That has

777
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: an experiment gone horribly wrong. And yes, I do have

778
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: a couple guys in the secondary. I'm going deeper, not

779
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: not the obvious guys like you. How about Noel Williams

780
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: of the Chiefs.

781
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 2: Otherwise no, no.

782
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 1: No, n o h L. I think they found another one.

783
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: They just find these guys no one's heard of, and

784
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: then they're out there and you're like, oh, that guy's

785
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 1: a pretty good player.

786
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 2: What pick was? He tell me?

787
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: I don't know, do some homework on this thing at all.

788
00:35:58,520 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: I think it was like a fourth rounder was.

789
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 2: Can we pull that up?

790
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: Let me see eighty fifth overall? Okay, it was a

791
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:06,760
Speaker 1: little higher than I expect.

792
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 2: He did eighty fifth over and you're saying he's playing well, yeah,

793
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 2: would you say he's playing like maybe the my fifty

794
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 2: fourth overall player. He's playing that well? I mean good,

795
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,240
Speaker 2: and it's gracious. I mean I put out a list

796
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 2: greg six three, one, nine, four five flat seven picks,

797
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,720
Speaker 2: got three picks against Auburn, had a pick six against

798
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 2: cam Ward Press. Feisty, a little quicker than fast and undercut,

799
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 2: has got great ball skills. He's my fifty fourth player.

800
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 2: You get you act like you just found him on

801
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:34,240
Speaker 2: the moon.

802
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: Just saying he's playing well. If you can get a

803
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: guy who's contributing right off the bat, looking good in

804
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: the third round the Chiefs, they've had their problems this year,

805
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: but that's been good. And then I'm going to go

806
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 1: really deep here. Safety for the Titans, Kevin Winston. I

807
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 1: just noticed they're using him as a blitzer. He's making

808
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: some plays in front of the.

809
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 2: Thirtiest safeties you'll ever. I saw him in person again

810
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 2: this year. You know, I saw him this year. I

811
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 2: haven't had done him in the draft, but I'm like,

812
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 2: he is That's what you want your safety to look like.

813
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 2: When he gets off the bus.

814
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: They might have found someone. He he looks like a player.

815
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 1: He's what pick I'll check, well, at least probably what

816
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: third round wherever you have him? U S great podcast.

817
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I want to know what it is.

818
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: What he was. He was drafted in the third round,

819
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 1: eighty second, eighty he put.

820
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 2: It in there, eighty second pick. Okay, Kevin Winston, he

821
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 2: was my third safety, was my fifty ninth overall player.

822
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 1: Another w common w D games.

823
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 2: He only played two games, but he's six oh one

824
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 2: four six one and a half two hundred and fifteen pounds.

825
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 2: He ran four or five to one in his pro

826
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 2: day and he is only two games. Aggressive versus the run,

827
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 2: quick reads, he was beat by fannin and coverage. Hey,

828
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 2: we've already established fan a good player, has man skills,

829
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 2: excellent to the alley in twenty three and twenty three,

830
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 2: played really really well. But he is He's a talented player.

831
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: Big, physical, good looking.

832
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 2: I think a little like any of who's working harder

833
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 2: on this podcast than you are.

834
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: By the way, any a little Kenny Baccaro, right, like,

835
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: how about that he's not bringing that com to the

836
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: table like that. I like Kenny bacarl That was forties

837
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: and free agents. In terms of the offseason, the next

838
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: time we talked to you, DJ, you have a lot

839
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: of work in the meantime. You might have a playoff

840
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: run to be announcing for the Chargers. In fact, you

841
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: better or else it'd be a disappointing end to the season.

842
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 2: Definitely, one maybe two more wins. I think one more

843
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 2: probably does it, but two would would pretty much lock

844
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 2: him in it.

845
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 1: I think. I think they'll get there too, and during

846
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: that playoff run, we will already be talking. So we

847
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 1: got forties and free agents coming out weekly, starting to

848
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: look ahead to the twenty twenty six NFL Draft, and

849
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: even more important, the twenty twenty six free agent crop.

850
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: I'm doing my homework on it. That happens faster. We

851
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: don't have to draw it out for four months, and

852
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: we do it in like three days in March.

853
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 2: I don't want to. I don't want to ran in

854
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 2: your parade here, but and talking to teams, there's not

855
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 2: an underwhelming free agent class, man.

856
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,240
Speaker 1: I hear that every year.

857
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 2: And it's what's your list? How many undred, one hundred

858
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 2: and one?

859
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: Because we work one one slot harder than the rest.

860
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 2: M'd be Greg's top thirty free agents this year.

861
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Speaker 1: You always there's always players out there. There's always a

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Speaker 1: Dante Jackson. People weren't talking about that one DJ And.

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Speaker 2: This is going to be a scrollless article. You do

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Speaker 2: not need to scroll. You can get all those names

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Speaker 2: in one view on it.

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Speaker 1: Oh, don't hurt the brand. We're going to be talking

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Speaker 1: about this on the show too. There's always players out there.

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Speaker 1: But you're right, I think teams because of the salary

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Speaker 1: cap going up and up and up in the way

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Speaker 1: they do the accounting, good players rarely get loose. But

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Speaker 1: there's some of the.

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Speaker 2: Fastest five minutes in podcasts sports. As we preview the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty six NFL free agency with Greg rosmenthal.

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Speaker 1: Alec Pierce signs a five year, two hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: million dollar contract.

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Speaker 2: As he by the way, I'll tell you right now,

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Speaker 2: you can't have you cannot have Jalen Phillips high enough

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Speaker 2: on your list. There you go.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's a.

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Speaker 2: Person really, really good.

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Speaker 1: We'll see if I take that into advisement in January

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Speaker 1: when we will be back after week eighteen. Until then,

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Speaker 1: uh yeah, just check out Move the sticks And I

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Speaker 1: thought daily you see you later. I gotta gotta gotta

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Speaker 1: get the pop before we go