WEBVTT - The Investigation Report | BONUS  

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, it's Stephanie back with another bonus episode. In May

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty five, Laura Owens was indicted on seven felony

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<v Speaker 1>charges in the state of Arizona. Those charges were all

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<v Speaker 1>related to her conduct with Clayton Eckerd. The Maricopa County

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<v Speaker 1>Attorney's Office shopped everyone when they released a one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and eighteen page investigation report detailing the evidence they found

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<v Speaker 1>to support those charges, which you heard about in episode ten.

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<v Speaker 1>Last week, I caught up with Clayton's attorney, Greg Woodennick

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<v Speaker 1>to dive into the jaw dropping investigation report a little deeper.

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<v Speaker 1>So in episode ten, we obviously talk about the investigation

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<v Speaker 1>report that the Maricopa County Attorney's Office released. It was

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<v Speaker 1>released in January of twenty twenty six. I guess my

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<v Speaker 1>first question for you is did you reach it and

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<v Speaker 1>as you were reading it what stood out to you?

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<v Speaker 2>So much of it stuck out to me, but more

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<v Speaker 2>than the data that I was reading from the investigators

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<v Speaker 2>was how I felt. It was just unbelievably affirming to

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<v Speaker 2>see that what we had suspected for so many years

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<v Speaker 2>was so much worse than we suspected.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it normal to see an investigation report like this.

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<v Speaker 2>I see investigative reports all the time because I defend people,

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<v Speaker 2>and when you defend people, you're entitled to see the

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<v Speaker 2>work product of the investigator. So I see these sorts

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<v Speaker 2>of reports all the time. This was particularly detailed, and

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<v Speaker 2>obviously was extra interesting to me because I'd been dealing

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<v Speaker 2>with Clayton previously, Greg, and had gotten to know Michael Marriccini,

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<v Speaker 2>and even had knowledge of another victim, so seeing this

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<v Speaker 2>in writing was quite something.

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<v Speaker 1>This is obviously a very cumbersome investigative report. There are

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and eighteen pages. There are a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>inner views in here, including Clayton, Greg Gillespie, Laura's mom,

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<v Speaker 1>jan Black. I don't see an interview on these pages

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<v Speaker 1>from you. Did you do an interview with the Maricopa

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<v Speaker 1>County investigators?

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't formally interview with them, but obviously I knew

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<v Speaker 2>that there was an open investigation.

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<v Speaker 1>You were also listed as a witness for the upcoming

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<v Speaker 1>criminal trial. How do they tell you that you're a witness?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>How did you find out that you were on the

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<v Speaker 1>witness list?

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<v Speaker 2>I think I saw it the way everyone else did.

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<v Speaker 2>The document became public, I saw my name there, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was absolutely not surprised. It was obvious to me

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<v Speaker 2>that they would list me as a witness. Whether or

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<v Speaker 2>not I testify is a different question and certainly not

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<v Speaker 2>a decision that I get to make. It's a decision

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<v Speaker 2>that the prosecutor makes and or obviously, Laura's welcome to

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<v Speaker 2>call me as a witness. I will testify truthfully and

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<v Speaker 2>answer questions to the best of my ability.

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<v Speaker 1>There were sixty four people on the witness list. I

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<v Speaker 1>was surprised to see that many names on the list.

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<v Speaker 1>Were you surprised to see that many names?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's a testament to how many people have

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<v Speaker 2>been involved and harmed by the behavior.

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<v Speaker 1>Just because there's sixty four people on this witness list,

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<v Speaker 1>that doesn't mean that they'll all be called to testify

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<v Speaker 1>right now.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, I think sometimes prosecutors list everyone they're supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to share, all potential witnesses, and I'm assuming that's what

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<v Speaker 2>they did. It's very possible that I don't get called,

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<v Speaker 2>But if the trial does go forward, I think a

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<v Speaker 2>decent amount of those people may be called as witnesses.

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<v Speaker 2>It all depends on how the trial plays out.

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<v Speaker 1>As you're reading through these one hundred and eighteen pages.

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<v Speaker 1>You obviously said that a lot of the things that

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<v Speaker 1>your office had looked into were affirmed once you read that.

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<v Speaker 1>Was there anything specifically that really stood out to you?

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<v Speaker 2>Three letters hCG.

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<v Speaker 1>And what was interesting in there about the hCG.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Laura is going to have some explaining to

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<v Speaker 2>do should she choose to testify.

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<v Speaker 1>As we go through the investigation report, there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of instances where the deposition you did with Laura on March,

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<v Speaker 1>which first was cited. How does it feel that your

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<v Speaker 1>deposition and your questioning showed up so many times?

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<v Speaker 2>We didn't know what we know. That's the odd thing

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<v Speaker 2>about this. I brought Laura in for a deposition to

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<v Speaker 2>ask her questions. We obviously knew about Michael Marriccini. I

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<v Speaker 2>obviously knew quite well about Greg Gillespie. I was shocked

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<v Speaker 2>to learn about Matt. I mean just shocked to learn

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<v Speaker 2>about Matt, which is weird because we suspected there was

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<v Speaker 2>someone else. But her blase presentation about there being a

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<v Speaker 2>fourth man who had accused her of fabricating a pregnancy

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever her testimony was was a bit shocking. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I remember turning to Isabelle and locking eyes with her,

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<v Speaker 2>wondering if that actually had just happened. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>that's captured on the audio of the deposition transcript, but

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<v Speaker 2>I remember literally being like, what the fuck just happened.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we actually took a break and walked into

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<v Speaker 2>my office disgusted because we were both so like, holy cow,

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<v Speaker 2>there's four men who have claimed this, the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>the deposition is important to the investigation. I mean, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>glad I could provide it. I just did what I

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<v Speaker 2>normally would do in a deposition, which is we prepared

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<v Speaker 2>for it. I knew what we were going to ask.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew that the territory that I was going to cover.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't know that Laura should have answered all the questions

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<v Speaker 2>that I asked her. Maybe that's a better question. I've

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<v Speaker 2>kind of been surprised along the way that she hasn't

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<v Speaker 2>taken some advice and invoked I think I advised her

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<v Speaker 2>during her deposition two or three times that she didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have to answer questions and that the answers to her

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<v Speaker 2>questions could be used against her in a criminal process.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of times, when people are faced with the

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<v Speaker 2>prospect of felony prosecution. They choose not to answer questions

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<v Speaker 2>and they invoke their Fifth Amendment right. But Laura did

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<v Speaker 2>not do that in the deposition, which I think was

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<v Speaker 2>probably tremendously helpful to the investigators.

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<v Speaker 1>Something else we see in the investigation report is that

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<v Speaker 1>the pregnant belly video was her sister Sarah's. We also

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<v Speaker 1>see that the ultrasound that use was her sister Sarah's.

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<v Speaker 1>That being said, I know you spent years investigating this

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<v Speaker 1>in your office for Clayton's case. Did you ever speak

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<v Speaker 1>with Sarah?

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<v Speaker 2>I never spoke with Sarah.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you ever try to reach out to her sister Sarah?

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, of course I did. I think I sent

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<v Speaker 2>her a couple of femails and no response. No, no response.

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<v Speaker 1>Greg Woodnick emailed Sarah Owens Navarro on February twenty sixth,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty four. I'd like to share an excerpt from

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<v Speaker 1>that email. Here's what Woodnick wrote, as I trust you

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<v Speaker 1>are aware my office represents Clayton ECKERD in the legal

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<v Speaker 1>matter involving your sister, Laura Owens, currently pending in Arizona.

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<v Speaker 1>I am assuming you do not want to be involved

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<v Speaker 1>in this mess, but I think you may already be

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<v Speaker 1>and are not aware. While I am sure you know

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<v Speaker 1>some of what has occurred, multiple men have alleged that

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<v Speaker 1>your sister fabricated pregnancies and medical documents to support her

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<v Speaker 1>pregnancy fiction. In the current matter, your sister reached out

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<v Speaker 1>directly to the media claiming that mister Eckerd was ignoring

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<v Speaker 1>her quote unquote twins. Paternity tests failed to confirm a

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<v Speaker 1>pregnancy existed, while the media attention she initiated caused other

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<v Speaker 1>men to find one another and compare notes. Those notes

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<v Speaker 1>show a pattern of faked pregnancies as a ruse to

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<v Speaker 1>force relationships, including Laura creating relationship quote unquote contracts assuring

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<v Speaker 1>promises of an abortion if these men agreed to date her,

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<v Speaker 1>and alleged falsified medical records. While of course you bear

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<v Speaker 1>no responsibility for the behavior of your sister, it has

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<v Speaker 1>been brought to our attention that Laura has presented videos that,

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<v Speaker 1>upon close inspection, appeared to be of use celebrating your

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<v Speaker 1>pregnancy at roughly twenty five to thirty weeks with your

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<v Speaker 1>father Ron, and has been claiming the videos are of herself.

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<v Speaker 1>Laura's actions are about to land her with very unpleasant

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<v Speaker 1>legal consequences, including possible criminal perjury charges. Just to put

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<v Speaker 1>this into perspective, this email was written four months before

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<v Speaker 1>Clayton and Laura's family trial and over a year before

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<v Speaker 1>Laura was indicted on felony charges, including perjury in the

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<v Speaker 1>state of Arizona. Sarah never responded to Woodnick, but we

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<v Speaker 1>know she received the email. That's because a Freedom of

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<v Speaker 1>Information Act request uncovered a bar complaint Laura filed against

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<v Speaker 1>Greg Woodnick. In that bar complaint, Laura acknowledged that her

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<v Speaker 1>sister received an email from Woodnick. There was another part

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<v Speaker 1>of the investigation report that I wanted to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>with Woodnick. It involves the allegation Laura made to the

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<v Speaker 1>judge in Greg Gillespie's case, where she speculated that Woodnick

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<v Speaker 1>and Greg Gillespie orchestrated a violent sexual assault against her.

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<v Speaker 1>Laura's mom, Jan Black, was interviewed in the investigation report,

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<v Speaker 1>and we see all of the details. Something that stood

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<v Speaker 1>out to me was Jan's story she told investigators about

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<v Speaker 1>what happened to Laura in March twenty twenty two when

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<v Speaker 1>she alleged that you and Greg Gillespie were involved in

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<v Speaker 1>an alleged rape so I want to read this part

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<v Speaker 1>to you. In the investigation report from jan Black's interview,

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<v Speaker 1>Miss black Owens told us that Laura ended her relationship

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<v Speaker 1>with Gillespie in August twenty twenty one, and then in

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<v Speaker 1>February twenty twenty two, Laura connected with a guy on Bumble,

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<v Speaker 1>a dating app. He Andrew, lived in Hoboken, New Jersey,

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<v Speaker 1>but said he was going to relocate to Scottsdale. During

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<v Speaker 1>their video chats, Andrew suggested that she traveled to Hoboken

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<v Speaker 1>to visit with him, knowing that her sister Sarah lived

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<v Speaker 1>in New York City. I asked if Sarah knew Andrew beforehand.

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<v Speaker 1>Miss black Owens indicated not. Laura decided to go to

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<v Speaker 1>Hoboken to see her sister. Miss black Owen stated that

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<v Speaker 1>Andrew was very particular about the time of Laura's arrival

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<v Speaker 1>and that she takes public transportation instead of an uber.

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<v Speaker 1>Laura arrived at the door, and Andrew answered while on

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<v Speaker 1>the phone and handed her a drink as pre arranged.

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<v Speaker 1>Laura consumed the drink, felt that she he was drugged

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<v Speaker 1>and then violently assaulted, according to Miss black Owens. Miss

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<v Speaker 1>black Owens feels that this was a targeted attack, which

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<v Speaker 1>coincided with mister Woodnock's ultimatum to drop the suit against Gillespie.

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<v Speaker 1>Miss black Owens recounted Laura's description of the evening and

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<v Speaker 1>her opinion that the attack was live streamed. I told

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<v Speaker 1>Miss black Owens that I understand that this is part

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<v Speaker 1>of the big picture. However, it's outside of the purview

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<v Speaker 1>of what we're investigating. Laura contacted the Hoboken Police Department

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<v Speaker 1>and spoke with a detective. Laura reported that she was

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<v Speaker 1>afraid and did not wish to name Andrew in the

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<v Speaker 1>police report. Miss black Owens indicated that the FBI is

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<v Speaker 1>involved in the case and provided further detail of this.

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<v Speaker 1>Miss black Owens told us that the assault occurred in

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<v Speaker 1>March twenty twenty two, and that Andrew text Laura again

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<v Speaker 1>in November twenty twenty two, said that he was in

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<v Speaker 1>Scottsdale and asked if she wanted to meet. Laura feared

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<v Speaker 1>that Andrew wanted to quote finish the job. Miss black

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<v Speaker 1>Owens stated that all this comes together. At the time

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<v Speaker 1>of the trial with Gillespie, Laura was frightened and sent

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<v Speaker 1>course respondence to the court requesting to appear virtually indicating

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<v Speaker 1>that she believed that mister Woodnick and Gillespie were involved

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<v Speaker 1>in her attack. Miss black Owens reported that the court

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<v Speaker 1>sent this request to mister Woodnick. Also, Miss black Owens

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<v Speaker 1>feels that mister Woodnick and Gillespie wanted to damage Laura's

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<v Speaker 1>reputation to make her seem as if she were an

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<v Speaker 1>unhinged crazy girl if she were to testify. So this

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<v Speaker 1>goes back to this allegation from Laura that you and

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<v Speaker 1>Greg Gillespie were involved in an alleged rape in Hoboken

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<v Speaker 1>in March of twenty twenty two. We heard about that

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<v Speaker 1>in episode five. After hearing that, my question for you is,

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<v Speaker 1>is this the first time you've heard all of these

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<v Speaker 1>details that were attached to that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's bullshit. I don't know other words than this is

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<v Speaker 2>just not true. I contacted the police. I contacted the FBI.

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<v Speaker 2>My office, obviously concerned with the allegations, tried to find

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<v Speaker 2>out what the hell Laura was talking about when she

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<v Speaker 2>wrote that letter to the judge, and none of it

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<v Speaker 2>bore out. None of it. I was never contacted by

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<v Speaker 2>the police, I was never contacted by the Federal Bureau

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<v Speaker 2>of Investigation, and I had contacted them inviting them to

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<v Speaker 2>come talk to me about these ridiculous and horrific allegations.

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<v Speaker 2>None of it was true. That did not happen. And certainly,

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<v Speaker 2>if something bad happened to Laura, which I was not there,

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<v Speaker 2>I personally don't believe any of that is true, but

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<v Speaker 2>certainly I wasn't involved in it. If it was true,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry. I'm sorry she had something horrible happened to her.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it happened, Stephanie. I think it's an

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<v Speaker 2>entire lie.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there anything else from the investigation report that you

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<v Speaker 1>want to talk about?

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<v Speaker 2>My general comments on the investigative report is the criminal

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<v Speaker 2>process needs to play out. It's important to me, Stephanie,

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<v Speaker 2>that if Laura wants to take this to trial, that

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<v Speaker 2>she has the most fair trial possible. I want her

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<v Speaker 2>to have a great trial. I want her to have

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<v Speaker 2>a great defense to her trial. I believe that, as

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<v Speaker 2>a true believer in the system, our criminal justice system

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<v Speaker 2>is excellent. She'll have an opportunity if she wants to

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<v Speaker 2>testify in front of a jury of her peers and

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<v Speaker 2>answer questions, or she can just invoke and not answer questions.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what her choice is going to be

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<v Speaker 2>up until this point, she has testified, and she said

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<v Speaker 2>some pretty egregiously inconsistent statements, I think, which is the

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<v Speaker 2>predicate of her being charged with perjury. But I hope

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<v Speaker 2>she has a fair trial and that there's a just

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<v Speaker 2>resolution and a just consequence. If she went to trial

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<v Speaker 2>and she got acquitted because a jury of her peers

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<v Speaker 2>felt that the state did not beat the burden, so

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<v Speaker 2>be it. I'm a believer in the system. That's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that's going to happen. I think the

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<v Speaker 2>jury is going to look at her statements and the

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<v Speaker 2>records and the video that they found, and the physical

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<v Speaker 2>evidence that they found, and her prior testimony, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think she's going to be convicted of multiple felonies. That's

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<v Speaker 2>my belief.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously, Clayton is listed as a victim in the criminal proceedings.

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<v Speaker 1>You have also been someone that has been affected by

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<v Speaker 1>Laura's fabricated stories. You're not listed as a victim, But

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<v Speaker 1>what does justice look like for you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not a victim here, but undoubtedly I've been impacted

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<v Speaker 2>by Laura's allegations. I'm supposed to have thick skin because

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a lawyer or whatever, but it impacts other people.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, obviously it impacted my family. I talked about that,

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<v Speaker 2>and I went and I listened to your episode and

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<v Speaker 2>I heard myself get emotional, And the truth is, it

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<v Speaker 2>was really fucking emotional. It sucked, It really sucked when

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<v Speaker 2>it happened. But it's not just me and my family

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<v Speaker 2>that got impacted. There are other people. Hearing how that

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<v Speaker 2>impacted Danielle was so much different to me than hearing

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<v Speaker 2>it from Michael. I know Danielle, I've spoken to her before,

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<v Speaker 2>but hearing her have that intimate conversation with you expressing

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<v Speaker 2>how it impacted their family Michael's career trajectory just causes

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<v Speaker 2>me to think of all the other collateral people that

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<v Speaker 2>have been damaged by her, just verbal diarrhea of lies

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<v Speaker 2>and ali gations and lack of accountability.

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<v Speaker 1>I really thought this conversation was important to have with

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<v Speaker 1>you today. You have been kind of a main character

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<v Speaker 1>throughout this podcast, and I just wanted to tell you

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for your time today and for kind of

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<v Speaker 1>walking us through a lot of the complicated legal matters

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<v Speaker 1>in this podcast. But thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate that. I don't think I ever wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>be a main character in this story. I didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>what we were getting involved in. And I think back

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<v Speaker 2>Stephanie too early days with Greg Gillespie in my office,

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<v Speaker 2>and the correspondence that Laura was sending in the allegation

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<v Speaker 2>she was making long before she suggested that Greg and

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<v Speaker 2>I were involved in some sort of orchestrated rape. Apparently

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<v Speaker 2>now I'm learning and hoboken. I didn't even know that,

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<v Speaker 2>And I remember thinking then that this story was insane.

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<v Speaker 2>If I only knew, if I only knew that given time,

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<v Speaker 2>we would find these other victims would come forward and

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<v Speaker 2>want to part dissipate in this process. If I only

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<v Speaker 2>knew that the social media world was going to find

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<v Speaker 2>this story as fascinating as they did, if I only

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<v Speaker 2>knew that this organization loosely associated JFC was going to

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<v Speaker 2>be these amazing detectives helping with data collection. I knew

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<v Speaker 2>none of it back then, but at the time I

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<v Speaker 2>thought the story was spectacular. I thought it was a

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<v Speaker 2>crazy story I'd heard in a while. And now, looking

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<v Speaker 2>back three years later and the story is not even over,

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<v Speaker 2>it's kind of humbling. I appreciate how you've told this story,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's not a story. I mean, the reality is

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<v Speaker 2>is that Laura really fucked with a lot of people's lives.

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<v Speaker 2>And the truth is that Laura has an absolute history

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<v Speaker 2>of fabricating allegations when she is in a corner. She

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<v Speaker 2>did it on the stand in Judge Modes' courtroom. It'll

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<v Speaker 2>be interesting to see if she does it again in

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<v Speaker 2>a criminal trial.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks so much for listening, and stay tuned for new

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<v Speaker 1>episodes in bonus content on the Love Trapped Feed.