1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: Team forty seven with Clay and Buck starts now. 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 2: Both Buck and I love American history. We are huge 3 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 2: history nerds. We regularly talk about it a ton. And 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 2: we are joined by someone else who is a major 5 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 2: history officionado. She is Linda McMahon, Secretary of Education of 6 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 2: the United States, and we are now celebrating America two 7 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 2: fifty and we've been talking about America two fifty quite 8 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 2: a bit on the program, even though we're early into 9 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 2: the year. And Secretary mcmham, we appreciate you coming on 10 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 2: right now. You are announcing a presidential seventeen seventy six award. 11 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 2: Historical literacy is a major issue among young people in 12 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:50,520 Speaker 2: the United States today. Tell us what this competition will 13 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 2: will do and what you're hoping it will create. 14 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 3: Well, thanks so much for having me on, and I 15 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 3: appreciate the fact that you are both such historical abuffs 16 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 3: and put such emphasis on it, because I can tell 17 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 3: you it's not been emphasized much in our country as 18 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 3: we see unfortunately through our scores, you know across the 19 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 3: country when kids are tested on their civics or historical knowledge. 20 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 3: And so this is part of the President's initiative. This 21 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 3: seventeen seventy six award in conjunction with the celebration, you know, 22 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 3: our two hundred and fiftieth birthday for the country, and 23 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 3: so to generate interest, he wanted to create the Civics Awards. 24 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 3: So the registration is open right now for students who 25 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 3: want to enroll, and what they do is they're going 26 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 3: to sign up to take the World's Impossible Test. I 27 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 3: have ninety minutes online to answer four thousand questions. That's 28 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 3: called the Impossible Tests, and I would think it would 29 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 3: be but it's you know, ever, how many they get, 30 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 3: not how many the answer, but how many the answer 31 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 3: correctly of course, you know, will determine the winner in 32 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 3: each round. So it's a three round competition and the 33 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 3: top winners are gonna receive the top very top winner 34 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 3: will receive the scholarship of one hundred and fifty thousand 35 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 3: dollars and second place is seventy five thousand, in third 36 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 3: places twenty five thousand, and so, you know, it's conducted 37 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 3: a little bit like a national spelling bee. They'll be 38 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 3: you know, the first round of competition, and then we'll 39 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 3: have you know, regionals and the districts, and then three 40 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 3: winners will come to Washington, d C. In June of 41 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 3: this year and we'll have the final competition and then 42 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 3: the awards will be made. So it's it's created a 43 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 3: lot of excitement, so we're very happy. We're sending notices out, 44 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 3: you know, to teachers, to organizations, to schools, to principles, 45 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 3: to everyone and getting it online so that as many 46 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 3: people can be notified that it's a fun thing to 47 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 3: do with it a great potential reward so they can 48 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 3: go to Presidential seventeen seventy six Award dot org. 49 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 2: I'm have you thought about giving media this test, because 50 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 2: when you're describing this, I actually think this would be real. 51 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,239 Speaker 2: I would like to take it. I know I'm not eligible, 52 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 2: but four thousand questions ninety minutes. I think it would 53 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 2: be really fun. If you got some media out there 54 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 2: that cover the White House and beyond, I would take this. 55 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 2: I think it would be interesting to see what kind 56 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 2: of scores people might post. 57 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 3: Well, Chavis, I think you should just launch your own 58 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 3: initiative to do that. 59 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 2: This is not a bad idea. Buck Would you take 60 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 2: this test? Would you sit all ninety minute American History 61 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 2: seventeen seventy six tests? I think I would take it. 62 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 4: It would be you and me, You and me versus 63 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 4: Don Lemon and. 64 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 2: I would I would put you and I on the 65 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 2: seventeen seventy six test as a team up against any 66 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 2: duo in media in the country. I think we would win. 67 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 2: Do you think anybody could suggess that actually has. 68 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 4: A day show or my normal humility? 69 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 5: Secretary McMahon disappears on this one. Clay and I would 70 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 5: smoke any of the libs. 71 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 2: Out there, think so? 72 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, it would be It would be the Clay and 73 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 3: Buck Civics challenge. 74 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 2: I like this, This would be fa I don't think 75 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 2: any would actually take us on, but I will take it. 76 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 2: Secretary McMahon, We will reach out for you and see 77 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 2: if we can set up a time to take this 78 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 2: and see if we can smoke everybody out there. 79 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 5: I also want to ask you, as you're as you're 80 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 5: running a very large, very large agency of the of 81 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 5: the government, what are you doing with education these days? 82 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 5: A big thing, it's massive, it's huge, Secretary, how are 83 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 5: you going to fix education in America under the Trump administration? 84 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 3: Well, you know, the President's executive order is to return 85 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 3: education to the States and take bureaucracy that exists in 86 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 3: Washington out of our education process. So, in other words, 87 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 3: instead of you know, all of the money that is 88 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 3: appropriated by Congress flowing through the Department of Education and 89 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 3: then of the States, which thus create more regulation, more 90 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 3: red tape, et cetera, it is my goal to move 91 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 3: the different agencies or departments, if you will, within the 92 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 3: Department of Education to other agencies of the United States government, 93 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 3: which is where existed before there was a department. You know, 94 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,239 Speaker 3: if you guys, and I know you guys know this fact. 95 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 3: But the Department of Education was not established until nineteen 96 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 3: eighty and since that time, we spent three trillion dollars 97 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 3: on education, just throwing more money at the problem and 98 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 3: watched our national scores continue to decline. So we're clearly 99 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 3: doing something wrong. And the President believes, and I agree 100 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 3: with him, that the best education is that that's closest 101 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 3: to the child, that it is controlled by the state 102 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 3: superintendents and district superintendents and teachers and most importantly parents 103 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 3: to have been insight into what is being taught to 104 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 3: their children. So the dismantling, if you will, of the 105 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 3: Department and moving it to other agencies will make it 106 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:21,559 Speaker 3: more efficient, and I do believe that there'll be greater 107 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 3: satisfaction with what's going to be happening with education once 108 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 3: this job is completed. 109 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 2: One of the things that I think is most interesting 110 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 2: and maybe extraordinary when it comes to educational accomplishment is 111 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 2: what the state of Mississippi has done. And I know 112 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 2: you probably have studied it quite a lot. I don't 113 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 2: think most of the audience out there has gotten become 114 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 2: aware of it. But basically they went back to committing 115 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 2: and you can maybe explain better than me, but to 116 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 2: old school style teaching and abandon many of the quote 117 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 2: unquote new fangled methods of instruction for children. And as 118 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 2: a result, all the kids in Mississippi, many of whom 119 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:08,359 Speaker 2: are drastically underprivileged, you know, relative to socioeconomic status in 120 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 2: the rest of the country, have seen their results skyrocket. 121 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 2: And now other Southern states in particular are copying them. 122 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 2: What are they doing. Are you encouraged by what you've 123 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 2: seen there? And is this a good example of the 124 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 2: laboratory of state education giving us things that could work, 125 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 2: for instance in California, where the results are not good. 126 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,559 Speaker 3: You're exactly right in that This does prove the point 127 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 3: about states being the laboratories, because this is innovation that 128 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 3: occurred at the state level, not at the federal level level. 129 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 3: This was not mandated by the federal government. And what 130 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 3: the state of the Mississippi did, and it's actually called 131 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 3: the Mississippi Miracle, they adopted the science of reading and 132 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 3: it is exactly what you said. It was going back 133 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 3: to the way reading was, you know, originally taught. Now, 134 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 3: of course there are some updates to the process, et cetera, 135 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 3: but it's based on phonics. It's based on sounding out 136 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 3: words and sounding out combinations of letters so that kids 137 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 3: can learn to read. They're not just doing site reading 138 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 3: of whole words or concepts, which is what's really been 139 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 3: I think the downfall of our literacy numbers throughout the country, 140 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 3: and if children cannot read by the time they finished 141 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 3: the third grade, then they they are never going to 142 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 3: be able to be successful because they'll just get farther 143 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:32,079 Speaker 3: and farther behind. So the science of reading is it 144 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 3: has been adopted, has proven to be so successful. And 145 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 3: sometimes this is done in connection with what are called 146 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 3: classical schools that are doing exactly what you just clay. 147 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 3: I think it was you. 148 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 2: What you were. 149 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 3: Describing is going back to sort of the way schools 150 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 3: were taught, you know before. Now that's working in many communities. 151 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 3: Some communities, you know, have have different kinds of schools. 152 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:01,439 Speaker 3: You know, they're charter schools, magnet schools, really schools is homeschooling, 153 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 3: and so in micro schools. And what I'm doing is 154 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 3: touring all fifty states. I've been to about thirty now 155 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 3: and I have visited all of these many kinds of schools. 156 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 3: I've even been to the Alpha School in Austin, Texas, 157 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 3: which has its first two hours of instruction in the 158 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:24,199 Speaker 3: morning through AI, which is really like in an individual 159 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 3: tutoring session, and then the rest of the day are 160 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 3: spent on applying the applications of what they learned. So 161 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 3: my goal at the end of this term or is 162 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 3: as we are turning education back over to the states, 163 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 3: is to develop a toolkit of what is worked in 164 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 3: most of these states and to just hand it over 165 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 3: to the different states and say, look, these are the 166 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 3: things that I've seen that work, this is how they work, 167 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 3: this is who's doing it. Please be in contact with 168 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,839 Speaker 3: them if you so choose, And you know what governors 169 00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 3: and the state superintendents. They're pretty competitive. No governor likes 170 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 3: to see another stake get ahead of him, you know, 171 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 3: in terms of the success, especially you know with kids 172 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 3: in education. So I think we're going to have a 173 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 3: good impact. The beneficiaries of what we're doing will be 174 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 3: our children in schools, you know, in general. And I'm 175 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 3: very excited about what we're doing. 176 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 5: Secretary of Education Lenny McMahon with US now and Secretary. 177 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 5: When we saw the Minneapolis ice protests, there was all 178 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 5: this school closures, administrative and teaching staff going out to protest. 179 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 5: Why is it that this just happens and there seems 180 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 5: to be some acceptance that the school system is like 181 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 5: the protest shock troops of the far left in this country. 182 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 3: Well, I can tell you, you know, if you just look 183 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:55,079 Speaker 3: at those protests from a common sense standpoint, and I 184 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 3: as a parent, if I were there now, I can't 185 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:00,679 Speaker 3: stand in the shoes of the parents who were there, 186 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 3: but I would think, why is my child not in 187 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 3: school that day? And if we look at what the 188 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 3: schoores are, you know in Minnesota, they're not sterling at all. 189 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 3: If you will, I would want my children to be 190 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 3: in school learning, how to read, how to do maths, 191 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,959 Speaker 3: how to solve their science problems, and not out on 192 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 3: the street in the bitter cold, protesting and objecting to 193 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 3: something that they might not even fully understand. I think 194 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,319 Speaker 3: it's outrageous, and if that were to continue, I can 195 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 3: tell you that there would be investigation by us, and 196 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 3: those schools could be, you know, in jeopardy of having 197 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 3: lost that will funding. 198 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 2: Secretary of Education Linda McMahon one more time, I'm going 199 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 2: to try. Maybe you can have somebody on your team 200 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 2: reach out. I would like to take this test and 201 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 2: see how I would do. But we encourage so many 202 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 2: people out there with kids and grandkids that are committed 203 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 2: to history and want to learn more on the two 204 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 2: hundred and fiftieth anniversary of this country to compete. That 205 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 2: competition has an incredible award, as you just told us. 206 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 2: How can they do that one more time? 207 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 3: Well, the enrollment period is now through February twenty. First, 208 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 3: it's about a couple of more weeks. You can go 209 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 3: online at Presidential seventeen seventy six Award dot org to 210 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 3: register and then shortly thereafter they'll be taking the test 211 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 3: and it will be a ninety minute test to see 212 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 3: how many four thousand questions they can answer correctly. And 213 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 3: these are just historical fact questions. You know, if anybody 214 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 3: has any concerns that they're partisan politics, that they are 215 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 3: not at all. This is just based on facts in history. 216 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,319 Speaker 5: Awesome, Secretary of Education McMann, appreciate you making the time 217 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 5: for us today. 218 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 4: Thank you so much. 219 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 3: Lots of fun. Thanks for your desire to participate. We're 220 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 3: going to make this happen. 221 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 2: Clay, I'm in I'm looking forward to Kay. 222 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 5: All right, my man, he's gonna swim from Alcatraz Island. 223 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 5: He's gonna take the impossible history tests. 224 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 2: You know. 225 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 5: We gotta get Clay jumping out of planes for our 226 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 5: YouTube channel soon. 227 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 2: I haven't taken a history test, I don't think, Buck, 228 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 2: since the APUs History test back in nineteen ninety seven. 229 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 2: So we'll see whether the old brain can retain any 230 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 2: of the of the knowledge from the test back in 231 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 2: the day. 232 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:26,959 Speaker 1: This is Team forty seven with Clay and Buck. 233 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 5: Welcome back in here too, Clay and Buck and we 234 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 5: had quite a nice chat there with Sectary of Education 235 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 5: Linda McMahon, and I do think that I think education 236 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 5: is I just had a long talk actually clay with 237 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 5: a couple of friends of mine, fellow fellow dads, their 238 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 5: kids a little older than mine but younger than yours, 239 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 5: showing that like sort of five to ten range. So, 240 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 5: and we're talking about schools and how between virtual learning AI, 241 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 5: the collapse of prestige university as a ticket to to 242 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 5: sort of riches and glory, or you know, all these 243 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 5: different factors. I think the good news is that there's 244 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 5: more of a willingness for people to innovate on education 245 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 5: and do what's best for kids. 246 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 4: I have a lot of. 247 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 5: Criticism of the education system just as an observer. I 248 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 5: think that it's largely a I think that it's largely 249 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 5: like a glorified babysitting service for a lot of kids. 250 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 5: It's effectively daycare for kids who are too old to 251 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 5: be in daycare. And the elimination of standards and all 252 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 5: these things that go on. The notion that children in 253 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 5: the first, second third grade should be in school like 254 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 5: I was from eight am until four pm. That's just 255 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 5: so that parents have daycare. That's not good for You're 256 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 5: not learning for eight hours a day as a kid 257 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 5: at that age. So anyway, I have a lot of 258 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 5: I have some kind of radical ideas on this. And 259 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 5: I talk to people friends of mine who are conservatives 260 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 5: who specialize in education reform, and I think think that 261 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 5: there's a now is a time for people to really 262 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 5: focus on what do you need to know? 263 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 4: What are the best ways to learn what you need 264 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 4: to know? 265 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 5: And the just one size fits all mass public education 266 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 5: approach that a lot of Democrats like, uh is a 267 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 5: bad Well, they don't actually like it. They want their 268 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 5: kids to go to the fancy public school and then 269 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 5: want everyone else to go to the failing public schools. 270 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 5: But it's not a good it's not a good plan. 271 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 5: So it's a big topic, but I think there's a 272 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 5: lot of opportunity. You can watch lecture series from Yale 273 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 5: University Classics professors online for free. Yes, how different is 274 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 5: that from being in the class You know, like at 275 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 5: some point, well what do you not what do you 276 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 5: not have access to? 277 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 4: This is? 278 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 2: I mean, there's a huge topic of discussion here. It's 279 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 2: one thing I am the Mississippi miracle that we referenced. 280 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 2: In an ideal world, the educational system would be dynamic. 281 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 2: We would see lots of different states trying a wide 282 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 2: variety of things to try to figure out how to 283 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 2: educate kids to the best of their ability. Unfortunately, largely 284 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 2: the teachers' union just argues that they need to be 285 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 2: paid more and work less, and that does not endure 286 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 2: to the benefit of your average kid. And the difference 287 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 2: between everybody knows this a really good school, public or private. 288 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 2: I was a public school kid K to twelve. My 289 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 2: kids went public school K to six, and now they're 290 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 2: in a private school. But the difference between an okay 291 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 2: school and a great school is seismic. 292 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 5: I mean, you and Nate Bergatzi have got to be 293 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 5: like the pride of the Nashville public school system. 294 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 4: Buddy. You know two hometown kids who made it good. 295 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 2: I think Nate went to a private school, but he 296 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 2: didn't go to it like a stupid I don't want 297 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 2: to throw Nate bars out of the bush, but he 298 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 2: didn't go like Look, it's Nashville. A lot of the 299 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 2: private schools were not super elite either, so I don't 300 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 2: want to throw him under the bus. But yeah, I 301 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 2: went public school KA twelve. 302 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: You're listening to Team forty seven with Clay. 303 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 2: And fuck Okay, let's dive into something that is a 304 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:05,679 Speaker 2: little bit fun, but also yet another thing we were 305 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 2: right about. So the data has come out Buck on 306 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 2: the super Bowl and I said, bad Bunny, bad choice 307 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,679 Speaker 2: for the super Bowl, and people are still attacking me 308 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 2: over this. I said, hey, you know what, the super 309 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,719 Speaker 2: Bowl halftime show should be in Spanish. Should not be 310 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 2: in Spanish, should be in English. And I said, I 311 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 2: just did Piers Morgan show right before this show started, 312 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 2: so it's gonna be up in a little bit. But 313 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 2: I told Piers Morgan because Piers was like, well, what 314 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 2: would you say if Pavaratti were the halftime performer, I said, 315 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 2: that would be a poor choice, Piers. I don't even 316 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 2: come on. Even even if it is the greatest opera 317 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 2: singer of all time, I don't think it would be 318 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:50,959 Speaker 2: a smart decision for the NFL to have an opera 319 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 2: singer or. 320 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,400 Speaker 4: Doing the national anthem. That would be cool, Like. 321 00:17:56,760 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 2: He's doing it in English if it's a national anthem, 322 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 2: I don't think it'll be smart to do the national 323 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 2: anthem in Italian. So, although it would be maybe interesting 324 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 2: to hear, the data has come out Buck Bad Bunny 325 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 2: lost ten million viewers, the most people that have ever 326 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 2: turned off or left the Super Bowl for a halftime 327 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 2: show in the history of the Super Bowl, okay, and 328 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 2: so I think this is a clear sign turning point. 329 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,919 Speaker 2: USA obviously got whatever it was six million live streamers 330 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 2: on their YouTube channel, and other people just decided to bail. 331 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 2: I've said this before. It always has fascinated me. Almost always, 332 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:49,400 Speaker 2: the Super Bowl viewership peaks at halftime. So for those 333 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 2: of you out there that say, well, I don't know 334 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 2: why you care, I don't. Usually the biggest possible audience 335 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:59,640 Speaker 2: that is watching the Super Bowl watches at halftime. There 336 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 2: are lots of people, as many of you know, because 337 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 2: this is what frustrates me about the Super Bowl as 338 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 2: a big sports fan. Tons of people come rolling into 339 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 2: Super Bowl parties that have never watched an NFL game 340 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 2: all year, and they talk loudly and they distract me 341 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 2: from being able to actually watch the game because I 342 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 2: watch games all year. People like Buck, they come in 343 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 2: and they're just chur. 344 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 4: To look at the background. I knew. 345 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 5: I knew this was going to turn into a little 346 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:28,360 Speaker 5: clay jiu jitsu move to put me in the kimura, 347 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 5: because I don't actually watch. 348 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,959 Speaker 2: In the background about all the other things going on 349 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 2: in their life, and I'm like I'm trying to hear 350 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 2: what they're saying. I'm trying to watch the game. So 351 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 2: but it is the case that there were the most 352 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:44,919 Speaker 2: people to ever turn off the Super Bowl in the 353 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 2: history of the Super Bowl. 354 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 5: Can ask you a real question, like, because I actually 355 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 5: what I've gone with you to college football games, I 356 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 5: try not to ask a million questions, and you're actually 357 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 5: very very kind to explain the basics life, some idea, 358 00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 5: what the heck is going on? Do you ever have 359 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 5: to just be like, hey, guys, I need radio silence, 360 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 5: Like I can't answer. I can't answer all of your 361 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 5: questions while I'm watching if you're in sort of a 362 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 5: group set, like how do you handle that? 363 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 4: Because I would assume. 364 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 5: Everyone's like, Clay, what do you think about that wide 365 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 5: receiver choice? 366 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 4: Clay, what do you think about the assistant coach who's 367 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 4: doing the blow? 368 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 2: But he blog, you are going to appreciate this, and 369 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 2: I might be the only person on the planet who 370 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 2: does this. I want to hear what the coaches say 371 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 2: in the halftime interview, and I also want to hear 372 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 2: in a postgame interview what the coaches and players say. 373 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 2: So the game ends and there's bedlam all around, and 374 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 2: regularly my poor kids. Regularly, I'm like, hey, piped down 375 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 2: over there. I'm trying to hear what he's saying in 376 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 2: the postgame interview or the halftime interview, cause occasionally you 377 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 2: get information, you know, players injured and the coach is 378 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 2: jogging off, and you can try to deduce from the interview. 379 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 2: I don't know what percentage of people out there are 380 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 2: like me and want to actually hear the interview. Now, 381 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,199 Speaker 2: the other thing buck that I will say is, and 382 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 2: I don't know how many people are like me in 383 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,640 Speaker 2: this way. When my team is playing poorly and it's 384 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:12,120 Speaker 2: a team that I actually care about, I mute the broadcast. 385 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 2: My wife has been making fun of me for this 386 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 2: for years. I don't want to hear announcers basically cheering 387 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 2: on the other team and talking about how amazing they look. 388 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 2: I can watch a game without announcers and tell every 389 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 2: single thing I need to know, by and large about 390 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 2: the game, with the exception of sometimes, like I said, 391 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 2: an interview with somebody on the field. So I will 392 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 2: often sit in complete silence watching games. During During while 393 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 2: I'm sitting in front of my television, my wife will 394 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,640 Speaker 2: walk in She'll be like, you're just sitting in a room, 395 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 2: it's completely silent watching a game, Like, yeah, the game's 396 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 2: not going well. I don't need to hear the announcers, 397 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 2: you know, pile on about how crappy my team's playing. 398 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 2: So I would say, in general, I want the information 399 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 2: if it's useful to Tom the from the interviews. But yeah, 400 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 2: like this, this this idea, I do think it's a flow. 401 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 2: People are gonna say, well, why does this matter? What 402 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 2: is the lesson that should be drawn from it? I 403 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 2: think it's that the NFL should be trying to reach 404 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 2: the broadest possible audience. And some people are gonna roll 405 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 2: their eyes about this, but I do think American cultural 406 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 2: experiences that are shared matter. Having something that everybody is 407 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 2: experiencing together as one is something that is should be aspirational. 408 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 2: We have relatively few of those, and making selections on 409 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 2: a halftime show that alienates the vast majority of the 410 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 2: viewership because they have no idea what's being said or 411 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:40,120 Speaker 2: what's being done is a poor decision by the NFL, 412 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 2: and I think they should reconsider going forward and try 413 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 2: to get people very basically who speak English to perform 414 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:48,120 Speaker 2: at the halftime show. 415 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 5: And I just have to say there's also been this. 416 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:56,880 Speaker 5: I like that he bad bunny. His name is, last 417 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 5: name is Ocasio, right, I have no idea what his 418 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 5: actual name is. I mean, pretty a are they brother 419 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 5: and sister? 420 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 4: Pretty? 421 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,439 Speaker 5: I was wondering if there's some some relation there, but 422 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,360 Speaker 5: I thought it was interesting that there was this. Well, 423 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 5: Spanish is now the language of anti colonialism. That is 424 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 5: truly hilarious. 425 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 2: Oh that is funny. 426 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 4: That is a hilarious take that you are seeing online 427 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 4: now from some people. 428 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 5: Like well, of course, like this is Spanish is the 429 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 5: language like against against oppression of and the oppression of 430 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 5: native people. 431 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 4: So it's like so I had to do it. 432 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:26,439 Speaker 5: I had to take it to Twitter on this one 433 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 5: or to ask to be like guys, nobody showed up 434 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 5: with more brutal and by the way, Spain. I love 435 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,360 Speaker 5: my time in Spain. I think Spain is a beautiful country, 436 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 5: an amazing place. I think it probably saved Western civilization, 437 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 5: Battle of Lepanto a whole bit. You know, the tours 438 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 5: with Charles Martel, there's a whole lot. I'm I'm very 439 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 5: pro Spain. Just to be clear, I think what Spain 440 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 5: did for the world was a great Catholic country for 441 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 5: hundreds of years, and it did amazing things that all said. 442 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 5: The Spanish showed up in the New World and they 443 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 5: were like, we're gonna take all your stuff. We're gonna 444 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 5: kill a lot of you, and anybody who doesn't do 445 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 5: what we say were definitely killing you and burning down 446 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 5: your whole village. It wasn't like the Puritans arriving in 447 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 5: Massachusetts trading corn with the natives at Thanksgiving or whatever. 448 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 4: It was. 449 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 2: Me take, I hadn't seen this that people are saying 450 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,640 Speaker 2: that Spanish is the anti Oh yeah language. 451 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,360 Speaker 5: Oh it's very Oh yeah, Spanish is now the language 452 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 5: of the oppressed or something. I'm like, well, you gotta 453 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 5: learn a little bit about how we got here, everybody. 454 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 4: So, yes, it turns out if you learn your history. 455 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,239 Speaker 5: I mean, the Spanish cot there's a reason they're called 456 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:31,120 Speaker 5: the conquistadors. They weren't showing up to like just settle. 457 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 5: They realized that this and this is how they funded 458 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 5: the Spanish Empire by just taking all of the gold, 459 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 5: and there was tremendous goal, particularly with the Incas, but 460 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 5: also with the Aztecs. 461 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 4: They just took all their stuff they. 462 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 5: Had treasure galleons going back to Spain to pay for 463 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 5: the Spanish Empire and its wars in Europe, and they 464 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 5: were absolutely brutal. Like this is It's just so funny 465 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 5: to me that people are thinking this, and then people 466 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 5: are like, yeah, but what about the British and their 467 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 5: role in the trans Atlantic slave trade. 468 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:57,479 Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, no, that's true. 469 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 5: The British for a couple hundred years were the second 470 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 5: worst when it came to the trans Atlantic slave trade. 471 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,360 Speaker 4: Anyone, anyone at home, want to know who they act? 472 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:10,880 Speaker 5: By far, by far, the biggest perpetrator of the Transatlantic 473 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 5: slave trade the Portuguese. 474 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 4: And where did they take all of the slaves? 475 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 5: Mostly Brazil, the Caribbean and parts of South America, but 476 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 5: mostly Brazil by far number one. 477 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 4: So I just think it's interesting. 478 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 5: Spain Portugal now we think of them as like, you know, 479 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 5: like the motherland for Latin America and everything else, But man, 480 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 5: they were the they were the colonial powers, par excelons, 481 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 5: and they were rough. 482 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 4: They were playing for keeps back in the day. 483 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 2: It's also funny because anyone that actually talks about reparations, 484 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 2: the idea is that the United States should be the 485 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 2: sole payer of reparations when to your point, Buck, Europe 486 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 2: is actually responsible overwhelmingly for all of slavery in Africa, 487 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,640 Speaker 2: and of course people only focus on slaves from Africa, right, 488 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 2: despite the fact that for thousands of the Barbary pirate. 489 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 5: Slave trade in white Christians, which went on millions of 490 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 5: people and went on for hundreds of years, went as 491 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 5: far the North. African slavers went as far as Iceland 492 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,640 Speaker 5: and Ireland, picking off white people to sell into slavery. 493 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 5: And this isn't this isn't taught in schools and people 494 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:22,400 Speaker 5: to tell them this, they'll be like. 495 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 4: That's not true. Google it actually better Crocket, you'll see Altra. 496 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 2: It's actually, I think symptomatic of one of the great 497 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 2: major issues that we have in this country, which is 498 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:42,360 Speaker 2: historical the literacy and the inability to understand our country, 499 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 2: but basically the whole landscape of the world historically everything 500 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 2: I mean, this is really, I mean, this is intentional. 501 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 2: The entire purpose of much of left wing cultural argument 502 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 2: is to They made it explicit with the sixteen nineteen 503 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 2: project root all of American history and indeed all of 504 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 2: Western civilization to slavery, which began in sixteen nineteen, which 505 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 2: is why they tried to with Nicole Hanna Jones New 506 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 2: York Times try to argue, Hey, the real focus of 507 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:16,119 Speaker 2: America is not seventeen seventy six when we got independence, 508 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,439 Speaker 2: it's actually sixteen nineteen. Because America is founded in the 509 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,199 Speaker 2: original sin of slavery, and therefore nothing that occurred in 510 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 2: America is legitimate. We can burn down the Declaration of Independence, 511 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 2: the Constitution, all of the great heroes of American life, 512 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 2: they are illegitimate because the true founding of America happened 513 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 2: in sixteen nineteen, very very intentional. 514 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 5: Also, I also got a hot take feel on this one. 515 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 5: I love if we get into the history stuff here, right, 516 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 5: little hot take for everybody. First of all, as you know, 517 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 5: I talked about Dahomy and West Africa and what actually 518 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 5: happened there with the slave trade where there were slave states, 519 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 5: and Dahomey was actually one of the most prominent in 520 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 5: all of West Africa. Effectively black Africans enslaving Black Africans 521 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 5: and then selling them to the white slavers. That was 522 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 5: a huge thing that doesn't get talked about. Her is 523 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,360 Speaker 5: not really a part of the history, but something else 524 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 5: I think is so interesting Clay. Okay, so you look 525 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 5: by the way Portra does any did anyone know ask 526 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 5: yourself this, Did you know that Portugal was responsible for 527 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,719 Speaker 5: taking five million enslaved Africans across the Atlantic to Brazil 528 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 5: and that that was by far very. 529 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 4: Few people know this? You know? 530 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 5: Do you think Portugal is walking around like, hey, we 531 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 5: should be like apologizing and doing a lot of reparations. 532 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 4: No, they're all just and that's why. 533 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,160 Speaker 2: The preparation should all be paid overwhelmingly by the European 534 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 2: colonizing countries. 535 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,679 Speaker 5: But the other part of this is something else left out, 536 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 5: is the massive penance, if you will, that the British played, 537 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 5: or engaged in by effectively saying, not only are we 538 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 5: not doing slaver anymore, We're going to use our resources 539 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 5: from all the British people and shut down all slavery 540 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 5: off of the coast of Africa, like if we if 541 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 5: you're a slave ship, we're coming for you. So the 542 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 5: British played a massive role in ending the slave trade 543 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 5: starting in the early eighteen hundred. So even before here 544 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 5: in America and then in America we fought a huge, 545 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 5: massive civil war with how many casualties play. 546 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 4: In total, six. 547 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 2: Hundred thousand people died in a time when the population 548 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 2: of the United States was I think only like fifteen 549 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 2: million or some a million, like a huge percentage of 550 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 2: people died. 551 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 4: The British became a global anti slavery force. 552 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 5: America said we can't allow this anymore here, and then 553 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 5: we had a very you know, very. 554 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 4: Bloody civil war to end that, to end that practice. 555 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 4: What are the Portuguese in the Spanish do you know 556 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 4: what I mean? 557 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 5: I'm just saying, like, where's their huge cost and blood 558 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 5: and treasure to make up for this stuff? 559 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 4: Anyway? 560 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 2: I mean, anybody who studies this it is again we 561 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 2: are historically illiterate as a country. When you actually study 562 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 2: the history of the United States and frankly the history 563 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 2: of the world, you have a little bit more depth 564 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 2: to be able to discuss many different issues here. 565 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 5: Here's something else for some of my Latin American friends 566 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 5: down here, including a lot of Brazilians. You know, when 567 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 5: you know in Brazil abolished slavery clay formally it. 568 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 2: Was like nineteen forty or something, right. 569 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 4: Well, eighteen eighty eight, but late, that's late in the process. 570 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 2: I mean, okay, pull it, pull it up. I mean, 571 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 2: I'll ask Grock some countries did not that you know of, 572 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 2: did not abolish slavery until like. 573 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 4: World War II era. Well, but this is the there's 574 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 4: a note. 575 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 5: There's a note here that while they formally abolished it legally, Clay, 576 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 5: thousands of people continued to work in effectively slave conditions 577 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 5: for decades after the formal abolition in Brazil. 578 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 4: But point here. 579 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:44,719 Speaker 5: Being everybody you all know, oh, sixteen nineteen project hmmm Portugal? 580 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 2: How many people knew that? Just saying I just grocked it? 581 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 2: So we'll find out. Uh, some of these countries you're 582 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 2: gonna hear and you're gonna be like, what, like this 583 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 2: is unbelievable. Uh, Nigeria, for instance, Buck did not end 584 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 2: slavery until nine. 585 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 4: Teen thirty six. Yeah, yeah, I. 586 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 2: Mean there are people alive who were slaves in Nigeria. 587 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 2: There you go. But I'll hit you with a couple 588 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 2: of other of those that you probably don't hear about 589 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 2: very much. 590 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 1: You're listening to Team forty seven with Clay and Buck. 591 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 5: Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. And we 592 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 5: got a lot to talk about. So we just got 593 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 5: deep into that history conversation, which I hope, I hope 594 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 5: you will. 595 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 2: Let me hit you up some more countries, buck, because 596 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 2: we were saying you pointed out, oh go for ended 597 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 2: slavery in eighteen eighty eight. Here are some I mentioned 598 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 2: that Nigeria and the nineteen thirties, Aman, much of the 599 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 2: Middle East nineteen seventy, United Arab Emirates nineteen sixty four, 600 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia nineteen sixty two, Mauritania nineteen eighty one. So again, 601 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,479 Speaker 2: and we should point out too, because some of you 602 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 2: are popping off in there and making a point, there 603 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 2: are still people who are enslaved in the world today, 604 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 2: right like there are people that are in Sudan. 605 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 5: There are countries where there's still active slavery practice and 606 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 5: by the way, African countries in particular, where that is 607 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 5: still going on, and it's usually Arab Muslims or ethnic 608 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 5: Arab Muslims who are enslaving Black Africans, which also you 609 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 5: know New York Times doesn't like talk about that very much. Also, Clay, 610 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 5: you mentioned Nigeria Nigeria's in the opening chapter of this 611 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 5: book Manufacturing Delusion, because I was there chasing the group. 612 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 4: This is true story. 613 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 5: Obviously, it's in the book chasing the group that would 614 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 5: become Boko Haram in the earliest days and checking out 615 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 5: the radicalization that was involved the mosques in parts of 616 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 5: Nigeria where nobody goes because it's super dangerous. And yeah, 617 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 5: I think you should get a copy of the book. 618 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 5: My friends, go to clayanbuck dot com if you want, 619 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 5: you can get the special video download. Clay, we're entering 620 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 5: the shamelessness zone, my friend. I need everyone listening to 621 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 5: this show to buy this book. It's actually really good 622 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 5: and I wrote it. Clay and I write our books, which, 623 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 5: especially in the days of AI, I think this is 624 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 5: going to be it's going to be a very unusual 625 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 5: thing people to write their books. But I wrote it, 626 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 5: wrote every word how the left use is brainwashing and 627 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 5: indoctrination and propaganda, hue manufacturing delusion. 628 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 2: For the people who want to get the audiobook. 629 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 5: I did the audio, which Clay also told me was 630 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 5: going to take a long time and drive me nuts, 631 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 5: But it was really fun. 632 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 4: Actually when it was done doing it wasn't that fun. 633 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 4: Took forever. 634 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 5: But the audiobook is me your voice, yours truly voicing it. 635 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 5: So there we go, Clay, everything you said about this 636 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 5: process was true. By the way, it takes forever, and 637 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 5: I need everyone to buy the book or else I 638 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 5: will be sad. Because it's a really good book. 639 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 2: It's a lot of work. Go buy Bucks book. It'll 640 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 2: be out on Tuesday. We'll be right back with all 641 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 2: of you. 642 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to Team forty seven with Clay and Buck.