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Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This ship is The

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Speaker 1: Players Lovel broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at

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Speaker 1: the Star. Now your hosts, Barry Church, Danny McCrae, and

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Speaker 1: Newey Scrugs. Welcome to twenty twenty The Players Loud. We're back,

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Speaker 1: first podcast at a new century. Were back that involves

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Speaker 1: a new era of Cowboys football. Barry Church, Yes, Danny

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Speaker 1: McCray inhouse. I'm Barry Scruggs. We are excited. We've got

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Speaker 1: a whole lot to get into today. We will talk

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Speaker 1: about your LSU Tigers playing for the National championship later on,

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Speaker 1: but right now, we must talk about the new head

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Speaker 1: coach of the Dallas Cowboys. I was at the press

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Speaker 1: conference Wednesday when it happened. I will be talking to

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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy in an interview that I'll do for TV

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Speaker 1: later on today. So I'm gonna ask you guys also,

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Speaker 1: But what's what's something I should ask him? But let

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Speaker 1: me start off with your impressions and ask you both

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Speaker 1: a two part question. One what did you like about

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Speaker 1: the hiring? And two? What's one question you have about

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Speaker 1: the hiring bre you start, I'll start us off. The

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Speaker 1: one thing I liked about it. I mean, I like

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Speaker 1: multiple things about it, but the one thing I liked

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Speaker 1: about it is I feel like he can come in

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Speaker 1: I mean he's had you know, Brett Farve, he's had

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. He's had quarterbacks under his tutelage that has

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Speaker 1: played at extremely high levels. I mean, Brett Farr was

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Speaker 1: already that guy when he got there, but Aaron Rodgers,

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Speaker 1: he drafted him in there and he got him to

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Speaker 1: where he is now before he had left. So I

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Speaker 1: feel like he can do that same thing to Dak Prescott,

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Speaker 1: get him his game to a next level. Every year

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Speaker 1: we've seen Dak since his rookie year, he's improved, he's improved,

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Speaker 1: and now under his tutelage, I think he'll be able

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Speaker 1: over that. I mean, in this decade has been pretty

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Speaker 1: much a decade of just mediocrity. We went in there,

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Speaker 1: you know, we won a division, we lost, we came

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Speaker 1: have a guy that's coming in. He's proven, he's won

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Speaker 1: super Bowls, he's been there. He was a Green Bay

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Speaker 1: for thirteen years. I feel like nine years straight. He

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Speaker 1: went to the playoffs. So this is a guy that's proven,

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Speaker 1: he can go into the NFL. He knows what's going on,

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Speaker 1: what to take this team to the next level, and

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Speaker 1: I think he'll be able to do that. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: I think he'll really be a great help to Dock.

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Speaker 1: And also like the fact that he had been sitting

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Speaker 1: a head coach, won a Super Bowl. He's sitting on

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Speaker 1: the side, he's watching the change of the game, he's

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Speaker 1: watching it on fold. He hires a guy to come

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Speaker 1: all right, So so we will be the first people

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Speaker 1: to see, yeah, if that works or if it doesn't.

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Speaker 1: All right, back to the second part of the what's

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Speaker 1: one question you have about the hiring Danny start? My

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Speaker 1: question is control. I mean, so we talked about Aaron

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Speaker 1: much control is he going to have here with the Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: Everybody understands that Jerry has a big voice and Stephen

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Speaker 1: And I was listening to the podcast at James Slater

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Speaker 1: of NFL Network and her producer Bobby belt Have They

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Speaker 1: spoke with Andrew Brant, who was on the business side

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Speaker 1: in Green Bay and they hired Mike McCarthy, and he

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Speaker 1: said he had gotten two phone calls from NFL clubs

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Speaker 1: asking about Mike. He said the Cowboys were not one

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Speaker 1: the person's high. People, it's a new and all that stuff,

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Speaker 1: She got fired because it was they were under the

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Speaker 1: especially over the top now because we have a proven

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Speaker 1: doing games and got to know Will. There Will talks

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Speaker 1: to the coaches. What is it you like? So, Barry,

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Speaker 1: you tell me, as my defensive backs coach, what are

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Speaker 1: the guys that you're looking for? Danny, you're my offensive

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Speaker 1: Will takes that information in and as he's looking at

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Speaker 1: So so when he's doing it, it's not just want

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Speaker 1: I think Mike McCarthy will appreciate that. That's that that's

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Speaker 1: this special team's approach. If they're gonna bring in guys

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Speaker 1: one of the questions I asked Mike McCarthy when I

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Speaker 1: Rick Goslin writes the Special Teams rankings every year. Rick

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Speaker 1: And Mike McCarthy's Packers finished last three times and Special

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Speaker 1: So through the years, I've been good friends with Lance Allen,

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Speaker 1: so I'd asked him about that. It's like, does he

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Speaker 1: loyal to Sean Slocum too long as Special Teams coach.

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Speaker 1: And then he said, remember Ted Thompson is the guy

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Speaker 1: giving him a young roster and a lot of those

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Speaker 1: much the same people picking the players. Is are they

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Speaker 1: something you go to Will McClay about talking about, Hey,

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Speaker 1: guys that don't play offense or they are teams players.

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Speaker 1: They're playing all four phases and their production is super

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Speaker 1: So that's I think three of us are right here

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Speaker 1: That can't strip it. It simply cannot happen. And if

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Speaker 1: McCarthy has done this big mastermind, he's had to know

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Speaker 1: that that was an issue. But how does he fix it.

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Speaker 1: How does Will McClay how did they as? Because this

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Speaker 1: get better at this. And I'm the belief that, Okay,

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Speaker 1: maybe you get a receiver that is a special team's

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Speaker 1: core guy and Mike being the offensive guy. Okay, you

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Speaker 1: you and whoever the receiver coach you bring in, you guys,

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Speaker 1: loved it. For a decade. We heard so many robotic

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Speaker 1: press conferences from Jason Garrett, who people will tell you

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Speaker 1: if you knew Jason, Jason had a really great personal

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Speaker 1: but he never wanted to give you that, and I

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Speaker 1: think that affected him with the fans. Fans started connected

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Speaker 1: with Mike McCay. Here's the guy who's crying because he

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Speaker 1: was so you know, he wanted the opportunity. Here's a

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Speaker 1: guy that this teleision shows you how much he loves

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Speaker 1: his family. Here's a guy that, in my opinion, was

435
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Speaker 1: letting you sit up here say I got something to prove.

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Speaker 1: He didn't like how it ended, and in my opinion,

437
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Speaker 1: a lot of people talked more about what he didn't

438
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Speaker 1: do and didn't talk about what he really did do.

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Speaker 1: I mean I heard I've heard people saying, you guys

440
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Speaker 1: saw it written too, he wasted Aaron Rodgers, or they

441
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Speaker 1: should have won more. All I know is if my

442
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Speaker 1: favorite team uses a first round pick on a on

443
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Speaker 1: a quarterback, this guy comes in, develops him, helps making

444
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Speaker 1: the starter, wins the Super Bowl, he wins an MVP,

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Speaker 1: and he's going to can can you sign me up

446
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Speaker 1: for that? We're sitting there talking about people like you said,

447
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Speaker 1: People were sitting there talking about, oh, he wasted this,

448
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Speaker 1: he wastes he should have won more. How many people

449
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Speaker 1: have won a Super Bowl? I listened to the stat

450
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Speaker 1: of of of great quarterbacks and great coaches that have

451
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Speaker 1: only won one. Right, so many like Pete Carroll, they

452
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 1: won one super Bowl the Patriots. Makes everybody think that

453
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Speaker 1: the super Bowl is this easy thing to get. It's

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Speaker 1: not easier. Would have loved to have at least one

455
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Speaker 1: on Yeah says great, you want one one one? Right? Uh?

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Speaker 1: Pete Carroll's great, he's won one. Payment they like, they

457
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Speaker 1: won one super Bowl the Patriots. That's an anomaly. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's something you won't see it again. You would not

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Speaker 1: see that again. When I used to host why NBC

460
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Speaker 1: Sports Radio, I had a line that I would always

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Speaker 1: use because it worked in so many situations. It's amazing

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Speaker 1: on who we choose to condemn and who we allow forgiveness.

463
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Speaker 1: Oh yes, you look at what you just talked about.

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Speaker 1: If you look at Mike m But by the way,

465
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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy and Sean Payton both were up for the

466
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Speaker 1: packer's job, and Payton really wanted the packer's job. And

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Speaker 1: Andrew Brand ended up saying that what really kind of

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Speaker 1: pushed him over the top as that McCarthys spent one

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Speaker 1: year in Green Bay, so he knew what, you know,

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Speaker 1: what they were all about. So then Sean takes the

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Speaker 1: Sames job because he didn't want to come back here

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Speaker 1: to the Cowboys and being an assistant again. He really

473
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Speaker 1: wanted to be a head coach. But you look at

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Speaker 1: their records and you just put him side aside and

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Speaker 1: takeaway of the name. Mikes is better than what Sean

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Speaker 1: has done. Sean and Drew are basically in that same

477
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Speaker 1: boat if you think about it, what Aaron Rodgers and

478
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Speaker 1: McCarthy were where you just say, man, you guys have

479
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Speaker 1: had a lot of cracks at this thing. But for

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Speaker 1: some reason, nobody says he wasted Brees's career. He never

481
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Speaker 1: said Drew Brees is going to the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: I mean, last year they have the NFC Championship game

483
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Speaker 1: in the Dome. They made a lot of mistakes in

484
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Speaker 1: that fourth quarter. Yes he was blaming on the pas.

485
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Speaker 1: They got they got jobs, but yeah they didn't. Right,

486
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 1: they had opportunities. Even this last weekend against Minnesota, you

487
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,360
Speaker 1: saw some things going down there with the same thing.

488
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 1: This isn't good. This isn't good. But for some reason,

489
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Speaker 1: and maybe it's because of what the devastation of Hurricane

490
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Speaker 1: Katrine into the Saints and member one that Sean gets

491
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Speaker 1: the halo. Meanwhile, Mike's in Green Bay where they've had

492
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Speaker 1: other coaches who've won. You know, you really do anything special,

493
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Speaker 1: It's like, okay, you did the next dude to do it.

494
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Speaker 1: But I just felt like people are not considering that

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Speaker 1: this man has taken a team to a super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: He's developed a quarterback they didn't have up into him,

497
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Speaker 1: made the playoffs this year, didn't make it the only

498
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Speaker 1: miss playffs three times. Do you think the success of

499
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Speaker 1: the Packers this year is what is getting McCarthy kind

500
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Speaker 1: of tarnished? But love that, Love that because that's where

501
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: I talked to my guy in Milwaukee Landtown and he said, hey, look,

502
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Speaker 1: what's one thing Ted Thompson wasn't doing. He wasn't abo

503
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Speaker 1: bringing him exactly. He didn't bring anything we saw. We

504
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Speaker 1: saw them defensive ends and camera Jerry world and goodness

505
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Speaker 1: grations and I'm sure I'm and I'm sure he's fight

506
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Speaker 1: thinking I could have used that. I mean, you got

507
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Speaker 1: the Smith brothers. They brought an amos. I mean, they

508
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Speaker 1: brought in all this defensive talent that they weren't willing

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Speaker 1: to do that. And mccarthey's ten year there. That's what

510
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Speaker 1: happened when you just want to coach. That's true. Well

511
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 1: how about well when he when he was hired by that,

512
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Speaker 1: they told him this is what I'm running. What you do,

513
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: and you had no choice. So here's a story that that, um,

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Speaker 1: I think Mike Silver had told because you know, Mike

515
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Speaker 1: Silver of NFL network is tight, tight with Aaron Rodgers, Gonda,

516
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Speaker 1: both col guys. But when Marshawn Lynch was in Buffalo

517
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Speaker 1: and they were basically done with Lynch, Rogers went to

518
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Speaker 1: the Packers, go get him, Go get him. Na, NA,

519
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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do it. So Marshawn ends up in Seattle.

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Speaker 1: So when you've got a general manager who stuck to

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Speaker 1: his ways and didn't evolve, you cannot in the NFL

522
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Speaker 1: to say we're just gonna draft only we're gonna we're

523
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Speaker 1: gonna build. You have to go out and plug, plug

524
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Speaker 1: into They had a shot man, buddy just ate itself

525
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Speaker 1: out of the out of the uniform. My man money

526
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Speaker 1: for a little bit. He was, he was all right,

527
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Speaker 1: my man, my man just started. He was goodness. Let

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Speaker 1: me add So I wrote a piece of the Dallas

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Speaker 1: Morning News and I said, you know Mike McCarthy. Hiring

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Speaker 1: right McCarthy as a retreat is a good thing. So

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Speaker 1: certain people saw the headline, they went crazy, Oh, this

532
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Speaker 1: is garbage. You're calling him a retrad um. Well when

533
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Speaker 1: you this is what people call coaches who get jobs again,

534
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: they called them retreds. But how about this. Fifteen to

535
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Speaker 1: the last twenty three Super Bowls have been won by

536
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Speaker 1: retray coaches, coaches that are on their second jobs. The

537
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: only one who wasn't on the second job was on

538
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Speaker 1: his third NFL job was Pete Carroll. But we're talking

539
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Speaker 1: about Bill Belichick, Pete Carroll, Tony Dungee, Uh, Mike Shanahan,

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Speaker 1: John Gruden. These guys and their second opportunities had learned.

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Speaker 1: There was a book that Harvey McKay business business writer,

542
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Speaker 1: and it's a business book called We Got Fired The

543
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: Best thing that ever happened to us. Talks about Joe Torrey,

544
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Speaker 1: Lou Holtz, Bill Belichick, people who had in other executives,

545
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: but people at Lei Coker, people who were hey, they

546
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: were good at the profession, but for some reason it

547
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 1: didn't work out. They got fired and the next time around,

548
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: you know, they were ready to go, and I still

549
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Speaker 1: contend that Mike McCarthy spending a mastermind one year trying

550
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 1: to what did I do? Well, let me do a

551
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: deep dive into myself. I just believe that'll work because

552
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll did the same thing. Look at the success.

553
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: He looked at his book, read his book Win Forever.

554
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: He talked about the deep dive he did into himself

555
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: and what type of program he would have the next

556
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Speaker 1: time he got another opportunity. And that's what he took

557
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: to usc That was the pet that was the deep call.

558
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: That right, that was boom. I know who I am,

559
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Speaker 1: what I am, and what I want to be next

560
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Speaker 1: time I get my shot, I'm ready to go. I

561
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: believe in that about seventy I think I'm a firm

562
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: believer in timing is everything. Like most of those guys

563
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: like Pete Carroll gets there and Russell Wilson turns out

564
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: to be the guy. That guy, right, Yeah, so the

565
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: program is great, but he also he had a guy McCarthy.

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Speaker 1: You know, he did shape Aaron Rodgers, but he's Aaron Rodgers,

567
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: you know. To not not taking anything away from him,

568
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Speaker 1: I'm just saying timing is huge. Now, you know, Pete

569
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Speaker 1: won the division. I think it was a seven nine,

570
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: but that was without Russell. That was what it was.

571
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: They were still seven to nine. Yeah, but but still

572
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Speaker 1: and they want a division at seven. If you're talking

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Speaker 1: about new allers away from home, I mean, we're just going.

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Speaker 1: So he does that. Then he ends up signing Matt Flynn.

575
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: They give Matt Flynn all that money and they drafted Russell,

576
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Speaker 1: Wilson and Ye. And remember Matt Flynn got that big

577
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: contract because he came here and beat us. He ended

578
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: up coming off the bench for Mike McCarthy's Packers had

579
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Speaker 1: a nice little run. And you know, so McCarthy developed

580
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: Timmy also had developed Aaron Brooks, who won the same

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Speaker 1: sever first first ever playoff game, is true. So when

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00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: I hear retread, I think that that can be a

583
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: really good thing. Rick Carlyle took over for Avery Johnson

584
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Speaker 1: and I was there for that for that run Avery's running.

585
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Speaker 1: When they brought in Rick, and people were not they

586
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: weren't excited. They was, okay, here's this guy. You know,

587
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: he was with the Pistons. Pistons fired him and the

588
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: next year Larry Brown takes the Pistons and they go

589
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: beat the Lakers and win the championship. So how good

590
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: is the guy? And oh yeah, he's the Pacers. He

591
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: was a patient coach. That was the malice in the

592
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: palace duty, you know that was that was kind of

593
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: the thing on Rick. And look at what he's done here,

594
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: won the first ever championship for the Mavericks. He brought

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Speaker 1: in a good staff of people, and you know, Terry

596
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: Stotts was on that staff. We see what Terry's done

597
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: in Portland. He's been outstanding. Dwayne Casey, Dwayne case he

598
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: ended up leaving the Mavericks and going to Toronto become

599
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: a Coach of the Year. So he had a plan

600
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: and he knew what he wanted to do and that

601
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: third time around, bam, it clicked. And then he got

602
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: with an owner who people said metal, people say, talk

603
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: too much and they ended up getting it done. So

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00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: a basketball turn. So do you guys think that McCarthy

605
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: has the opportunity will he have? Will he do this?

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Speaker 1: You know how Kerk kind of took over Mark was

607
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: over Mark Jackson. You know they could Mark Jason Hood

608
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: and get those guys over the hump. Everybody says, you know, Kerr,

609
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: you know got him over to the hump, but it

610
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: was what Mark Jackson's players on it. Do you think

611
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: McCarthy has an opportunity to do that him over the hump?

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00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: He better if you think. I think I think he

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00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: will turn it. I think he will turn opportunity there.

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Speaker 1: That's all. That's all you can ask. I think the

615
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: way he's shaping up his coach and staff, I think

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Speaker 1: it's totally different than what Jason had. So I think

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Speaker 1: I think that's you know, that's the next thing one

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Speaker 1: I want to go right there. Let's dive into that.

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Speaker 1: Mike Nolan, it's been reported gonna be the defensive coordinator,

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Speaker 1: So Mike no One's gonna be defensive coordinator the linebackers

621
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Speaker 1: coach right for the same Mike Nolan, when he was

622
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: the head coach of the forty nine Ers, had made

623
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Speaker 1: McCarthy his offensive coordinator, so they know each other. John

624
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: Fossil will be the special team's coach. Joe Philbin is

625
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: going to replace Mark Colombo as the offensive line coach.

626
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: Philbin was in Green Bay with McCarthy and McCarthy's up

627
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: getting let go. Philibin had taken over as the interim

628
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: head coach. Used to be the head coach with the

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Speaker 1: Dolphins as well, so so they have a working relationship.

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Speaker 1: So just what you know so far about the staff,

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Speaker 1: your thoughts. I like it. I like the fact that

632
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: we did not keep everybody that was with Jason right

633
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: you want to you had these relationships. Nothing against those guys,

634
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Speaker 1: But let this guy come in and run this how

635
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: he wants to run it, because that's some of the

636
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: stuff that got us in trouble in the past. I

637
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: think just all the internal guys that continue to stay

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Speaker 1: here for ten, ten to twelve years, half a long

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Speaker 1: label here, we just started seeing the same thing, right.

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Speaker 1: Let these guys bring in their fresh ideas everybody. If

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Speaker 1: McCarthy's gonna run the offense, he got a guy that

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Speaker 1: he's trust on defense, so that guy will be able

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Speaker 1: to handle defense. Same with special teams. So all these

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Speaker 1: guys will come together, of course be one team, but

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Speaker 1: all these guys have success in the past and they're

646
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Speaker 1: able to bring in their own plans and own schemes.

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Speaker 1: And like I said, special teams, I think they hurt

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Speaker 1: us last year because we tried to run Rich Besaccia scheme.

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Speaker 1: But he's not here, and we saw the effects of that,

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Speaker 1: so I'm happy. Yeah, You're hundred percent right. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think when you're starting fresh, you gotta have a

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Speaker 1: new slate. I mean, and that includes your coaching staff

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Speaker 1: as well. If there's one person that I would like

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Speaker 1: to see him keep other than coming Moore, would be

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Speaker 1: Big Cat, just for the simple fact that I think

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Speaker 1: he's gotten the most out of this D line. I mean,

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Speaker 1: yet he had dropping production this year, but the two

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Speaker 1: years before that, I mean, you had de Marcus Lawrence

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Speaker 1: doing double digit sacks, you had Quinn coming in here

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Speaker 1: this year doing work, and so I just feel like

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Speaker 1: there's one coach that they would keep. It would be

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Speaker 1: Leon Let So hopefully that happens. But I'm agree with

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Speaker 1: you on a percent. You gotta have a I like GB.

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Speaker 1: Two though I like GB and running back. I know

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Speaker 1: they probably won't keep them, but Tony Poler got in

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Speaker 1: and showed out. You got a fullback in there that's

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Speaker 1: doing doing a little so many plans, you know, So

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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean I like him. I like GB,

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Speaker 1: a personal On the GB, we all like if you

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Speaker 1: if you don't like Gary Brown, you just don't like

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Speaker 1: people uh Stan Drayton, who is the associate head coach

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Speaker 1: has been reported by Todd Archer and a few others

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Speaker 1: that they are talking to him right now and his

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Speaker 1: connection is he coaches Zekiel Elliott at Ohio State, So

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Speaker 1: that could be. I do think if you spent fifteen

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Speaker 1: million dollars a year on this dude, you want to

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Speaker 1: you want to make sure that there's a connection. I

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Speaker 1: believe so if it's not Gary Brown and it's stand Drayton,

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Speaker 1: I think that they can feel good in terms of, hey,

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Speaker 1: look here's a guy that worked with them, helped develop him.

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Speaker 1: He has a relationship there. But I'm with you. You

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Speaker 1: need to bring in people who you trust and also

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Speaker 1: people who understand what it is you want. So your

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Speaker 1: parcels talked about when he first got here and some

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Speaker 1: of the guys he didn't know, but he know he

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Speaker 1: they you know, he knew them, but they didn't work together.

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Speaker 1: Said I had to coach the coaches. So in some

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Speaker 1: cases with Mike lowelan and and Joe Phil, you don't

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Speaker 1: have to coach them. They know what you want and

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Speaker 1: you don't have to worry about what's being said in

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Speaker 1: the meeting rooms, and I wanta take it right there.

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Speaker 1: You guys have been in the meetings rooms with your

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Speaker 1: Once you think about that, will take a break. But

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Speaker 1: when you come back as players, how do you now

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Speaker 1: deal with new coaches? New especially because position coaches are

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Speaker 1: So for the players who are going to be coming back,

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Speaker 1: got have a lot of new coaches. As former players,

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Speaker 1: you guys have been through it and it's different. Assistant

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Speaker 1: coaches come in. Yes, the head coach is the guy

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Speaker 1: who's in charge, but you spend the majority of your

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Speaker 1: time with your position coach and your group in meetings.

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Speaker 1: So how does it go in terms of dealing with

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Speaker 1: a new position coach? What do you as a player

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Speaker 1: need to tell your your new position because then maybe

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Speaker 1: they do or do not know about what it did

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Speaker 1: you do well or or you know, just just that

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00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,760
Speaker 1: whole experience. Why did I did go through it twice?

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00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: When I was a younger player. We had you know,

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Speaker 1: Campo and Maxi and all those guys when they came

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Speaker 1: in there, and as young dude, I'm just like, I

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Speaker 1: don't know what's going on. So once they got once

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Speaker 1: that whole coaching staff was fired, I think that's when

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Speaker 1: Henderson and Baker and all the boys came in. So

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Speaker 1: at that time, I'm not, you know, the leader, I'm

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Speaker 1: not a captain anything like that. I'm still a young

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Speaker 1: guy trying to figure things out, trying to get into

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Speaker 1: my starting realm. So I kind of kept quieter around.

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Speaker 1: I left the older gay, let's send some ball, and

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Speaker 1: those guys kind of get that connection with those coaches

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Speaker 1: and everything like that, and I kind of, you know,

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Speaker 1: faded to the back because I didn't know what was

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Speaker 1: gonna happening when my next you know if I was

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Speaker 1: gonna be here or not. But later on when we

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Speaker 1: got another coaching staff had coming. I think it was

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Speaker 1: Baker and uh not Baker, but I wouldn't hear when

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Speaker 1: y'all had yet we had them coming, and I was

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Speaker 1: a captain at that time, so I had had to

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Speaker 1: get in the offseason. I had to go talk to

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Speaker 1: them just to break bread with them, just kind of

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Speaker 1: even getting to feel hard how they want up to

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Speaker 1: play and what type of defenses they're going to bring in.

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Speaker 1: And so once you get that early field for them,

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Speaker 1: and you get that into the otag, you get that

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Speaker 1: into the season, it just becomes that camaraderie. Pardon the

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Speaker 1: rest is history. After that, were you speaking to the

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Speaker 1: difference of when you were younger and not really sure

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Speaker 1: and I'm not sure? And then you got the captain

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Speaker 1: stap So, like some I would assume a lot of

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Speaker 1: the guys who may be on smaller country said the

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Speaker 1: end of the contracts, what the mindset that they have is,

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Speaker 1: really honestly, does this guy like me? Do I fit

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Speaker 1: into what he wants to do? Will I'll still be here?

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Speaker 1: I need to go figure out what it is that

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Speaker 1: he actually thinks about me as a player. I think

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Speaker 1: I remember one time we had it and each player

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Speaker 1: had to go speak to the coach after they had

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Speaker 1: watched some film on them. So you can tell them, hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm here now, this is what I think you do. Will,

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Speaker 1: this is what I don't think you do well. And

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Speaker 1: you can help yourself by doing X, Y and Z

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Speaker 1: throughout the offseason and to help you in training camp

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Speaker 1: when we're doing our evaluations. So those guys in that

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Speaker 1: position should go talk to the coach as soon as

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Speaker 1: they get a chance or whenever he gets subtled to

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Speaker 1: figure out where they stand. The captains, on the other hand,

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Speaker 1: need to be the guys to go figure out how

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Speaker 1: they want to run the room, like a guy like

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Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence, who was going to be here when you

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Speaker 1: having that conversation with the new coach. Your conversation is

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Speaker 1: how do you want the room around? What type of

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Speaker 1: leader do do you? Are you used to? And do

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Speaker 1: you want me to be? And how can I help

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Speaker 1: and the other guys are or what can I do

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Speaker 1: to stay here? All right, let's talk about just some

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Speaker 1: potential free agent here and to me obviously that you

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Speaker 1: have three big ones. Dak press Scott Amari Cooper. Byron Jones,

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Speaker 1: gentleman thoughts, well, that ain't going nowhere. I mean he's

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Speaker 1: at the worst, will get franchise tagged or he'll get

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Speaker 1: a long term deal. I don't think he's going anywhere.

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Speaker 1: You can't let that go. But on defensive side of

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Speaker 1: I think you got you know, Quinn or b Jones,

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Speaker 1: And in my opinion, I think you gotta go with

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Speaker 1: b Jones on this. Yes, not saying not saying, he saying.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't get you all these inter he doesn't get

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Speaker 1: you all these interceptions that that people want. He's not

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Speaker 1: a ball hawker, but this guy locks down receivers. When

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Speaker 1: have you ever seen a receiver just kind of go

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Speaker 1: off on Byron Jones. We'll think about your defensive scheme, right.

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Speaker 1: The great defensive schemes allow you to cut off one

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Speaker 1: I say, hey, Byron, you're on the right side, you

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Speaker 1: take here the right side. I can focus my whole

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Speaker 1: defense on everyone. It's sod you like you got to

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Speaker 1: like listen, you can you just pay the pass rusher

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Speaker 1: honey million, all right, and with that game, you get

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Speaker 1: you get your defensive tackle. You know, get you get

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Speaker 1: you another defensive vent in the draft. Sure up covers.

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Speaker 1: This is a passing league and it's the teams with

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Speaker 1: great cornerbacks. You see what Peters did when he got traded,

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Speaker 1: he took him. What happened with Ramsey when when he

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Speaker 1: got to La Brother bro No, no, no, if on

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Speaker 1: the defense. I will quote you what Hall of Fame

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Speaker 1: A Warren Sap has said for years back, don't work

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Speaker 1: without the front. If I'm putting pressure on the quarterback,

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Speaker 1: he's not gonna have all day long. Now here's my

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Speaker 1: other thing with Bayern, who is a tremendous character guy. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm not paying a corner who doesn't get picks. If

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Speaker 1: you can't get the football, why am I paying you?

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Speaker 1: What's one of the biggest issues and problems they have

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Speaker 1: on this team? And don't pick anything off everything this is.

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00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: Don't you got a new defensive coordinator who's gonna run

851
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: a new scheme maybe started from You got a hundred

852
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: million dollars up front already, and you assume you're gonna

853
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 1: get a defensive tackle next the team of sacks to

854
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 1: keep that guy, you would keep it because plant the

855
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: team and sacks. How old is Quinn? Now, you could

856
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: probably get him on a cheaper deal than he can

857
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: on on Jones. Oh yeah, you could definitely get him cheaper.

858
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: But I think you would have to pay Jones. I

859
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: don't think you would have to break the bank you got.

860
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,919
Speaker 1: You gotta pay him. He's a quarterback. He's a lockdown corner.

861
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 1: And we talk about picks. Listen, I really do not

862
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: catch the ball on meat and catch it pickers A plus.

863
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 1: It's true. You gotta do getting yarded every game. That's

864
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: why Peters got traded. Now he getting picks, but for

865
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: one team he was in a row. I remember Mike Thomas,

866
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: King guard Michael who they said does not have long

867
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: speed dust and Marcus Peters gambling. But he got picked out.

868
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: And that's the corner that you want. But he wasn't

869
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: the same guy. So you guys are taking Byron Jones,

870
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: letting Quinn go, Amari Coop, No, I didn't know. We

871
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: didn't say let Quinn go. But you get getting everybody. Okay,

872
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: you cut down to those two, everybody's not going. We

873
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: got like eighty million dollars and everybody, everybody, everybody, you're

874
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: gonna go with the dB, over the over the over

875
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: the fifth because we already got one. We have no dB.

876
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:25,760
Speaker 1: So where do we Where do we stand? With Amark

877
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: Cooper here if you can get him for about fifteen yeah,

878
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: but anything over that, I'm not I'm noting, He's I'm

879
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: not sold. Man. I saw the last month. I'm not

880
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: I'm Smith and who got added him and Jenna Smith?

881
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: And we swiped it to the pro Bo. Let me

882
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 1: we know about the Pro Bowl. We know about the

883
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl. Play the probo a lot of times? Is

884
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: the name thing I remember a lot? It is. It's

885
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 1: all not to not to trash one. We can do

886
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:04,240
Speaker 1: that to the haters. Man, listen, let me tell you something,

887
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: so we will walk in. We were walking there to

888
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 1: voting for the for the Pro Bowl, right yeah. And

889
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,479
Speaker 1: we were walking there as young guys, so we didn't

890
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: really know the play. The coach would have six guys

891
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: on the board and they said, hey, check the box

892
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: right here. One of these guys got One of these

893
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: guys got to be there, ain't you ain't even had

894
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 1: your own opinion on me. It's on the board. Yeah, so,

895
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: and everybody was like, so, who were picking for? I

896
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: ain't really see him play, so who we fixed? It's

897
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 1: who you see. We've been inside the voting. Okay. So,

898
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: And I'm just gonna simply say this. When this team

899
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: was three and five and they had the receiver by committee,

900
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: things wasn't working. Mary Cooper came in here to turn

901
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,479
Speaker 1: things around. Dak Prescott has a guy that he can trust.

902
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 1: I look at the Mary Cooper and I think about

903
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: how the receivers act and the way the room is

904
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: versus when they didn't have him and they had other

905
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: people to receive last the last of the season. Tell

906
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: me when they didn't have them. Come on, man, I'm

907
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: just I'm just gonna say I I would, I would

908
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: want to make sure if I'm going to give thirty

909
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 1: five forty million dollars to the quarterback that he's got

910
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: his top weapon. But that, but we also know that

911
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: guy after every every place he makes, he walks off

912
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: the field, he's been hurt. He was hurt training camp,

913
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:22,879
Speaker 1: he was hurt all your long. He said it wasn't hurt.

914
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: Come on, he said it wasn't hurt. Come on. So

915
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: you right, you don't get roll tied all check out.

916
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: So how very much you said you're gonna pay? You

917
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: got a minus of me if each time he got

918
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: locked down the ship? All right, so let go steph

919
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: gil more. He didn't listen the dude for the last

920
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: six weeks of the season, this fourth and what the

921
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: man not even don't even trust you playing so bad?

922
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 1: Don't over don't overlook this right as a coach, right

923
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: yo yo getting brick yo. Best player to coach does

924
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 1: not have confidence in them to put them on the

925
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: field on the biggest play of the same coaches. No,

926
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: that is that is that is speaking to the player

927
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: and how bad of a game you had. I had

928
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: a coach and say, hey, man, you can have a

929
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:16,479
Speaker 1: bad play. Do not have a bad game. This dude

930
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: plays so bad that they was like, nah, bro, you

931
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: we got this, we got this. That's that is bad.

932
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 1: That's bad play right this down to the level thirty six,

933
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 1: the show became the hater hater club hater. Come on, man,

934
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: I was telling you I'll be Silkie Johnson. I bet

935
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 1: if you're gonna pay that man twenty meal. It's a

936
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 1: lot of people. There's a lot of people who put

937
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: input in when you playing on Is he a top

938
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: five wide receiver in the NFL right now? Because because

939
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: I do, because I put Michael Thomas there, Evans on

940
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: taras hamstring. He's finished in the season. Crazy Godwin, Keenan Allen,

941
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: don't come on, man, uh. DeVante Adams, DeAndre Hopkins number

942
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 1: were now Hopkins. We shot Julio Julio Okay, yeah, because

943
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: they all played the last Here's what Here's what I

944
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: would also tell you. I love because in my opinion,

945
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: I don't think that there's been elite coaching this past

946
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: decade here with the Cowboys. You give Mike McCarthy and

947
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: Maari Cooper. Can he make another DeVante Adams? Um, look

948
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: at what he hit with Cobb and Donald Driver him.

949
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: They had to. He knows how to get some about

950
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 1: these receivers. Give me an elite head coach like Mike

951
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: McCarthy who has won a Super Bowl and they and

952
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: they spent sixty forty percent throwing the ball. The same

953
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: head coach they had a Mark Cooper last year on

954
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: the three and five. It is the same head coach

955
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 1: that had this guy at the end of the season

956
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 1: when he disappeared. Elite coaching or not, he was the same,

957
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: He was around the same people, and the result was

958
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: total opposite. I will say this, though I don't I

959
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 1: don't think all can do it by myself. Though no, no,

960
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:26,720
Speaker 1: I'm not saying we're talking about paying him best receiver

961
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 1: in the league. I said, no, all right, hey him,

962
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,839
Speaker 1: just let him go to phil He'll be in Philadelphia

963
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: out there tagging it. How could the Raiders been since

964
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: he left town. I'm just just okay, okay, yes, they

965
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: also they also lost Antonio Brown as well. They had

966
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: a good replace before watching I'll be watching the Pro

967
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: Bowl with man. Make sure you got them clear off.

968
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: That's like, you know, he wasn't hurt. You talking about

969
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: he hurt. He's gonna go play in the Pro Bowl hurt.

970
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: That is true. Let us in our remaining time time here.

971
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,919
Speaker 1: We got about nine minutes here on the players land

972
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: slash haters club. Can't can't give it a big and

973
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: not only ate you alright, head coaching, you trying to talk.

974
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,359
Speaker 1: He tried to call me to you. Don't mention nothing

975
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: about Paperlar. Every time every time you call me everything,

976
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 1: he gonna say, Man, he meet me up. It ain't

977
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: I'm wait, can I win my my clips and tigers? Uh?

978
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: Where we're gonna clubs and Tiger National Championship shirt and

979
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: bring it on in there. Talking about the haters Club.

980
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 1: This is yeah, you're right, the haters Club. You had

981
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 1: it down there right all right? What we were talking about.

982
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: Because Rooney rule, Uh, it produced one head coach, one

983
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: head coaching higher there's still one left Cleveland Browns. But

984
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: Ron Rivera end up getting the job in Washington. There

985
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: were no black head coaches who got jobs. Eric the Enemy,

986
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: who's is highly recommended by Andy Reid, who's the offensive

987
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:08,280
Speaker 1: coordinator for the Chiefs, the same job where Matt Naggie

988
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 1: went from being the offensive coordinator to the head coach

989
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: Chicago Bears Peter someonwhere for being Andy Reads often supported

990
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: the Phillip the Eagles. There have been some people think

991
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: that the Rooney rule is broken. Some people think that

992
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 1: Rooney rule is not not even worth it. Some say

993
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,959
Speaker 1: it's just a sham. What's your opinion, gentleman, I would

994
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 1: say it's worth it. I mean because at the end

995
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,240
Speaker 1: of the day, these these gentlemen, they're getting they're getting interviews,

996
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 1: and they're getting their name out there. So I was.

997
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it's you rather have an interview interview than

998
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,879
Speaker 1: nothing at all. Now, what we'd like to see more

999
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 1: black men in the head coaching positions, Yeah, we would

1000
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: love to do that, But right now I'm thinking the interviews.

1001
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: I mean, an interview process is good and everything like that,

1002
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: and you would rather have interviews than nothing at all. Yeah.

1003
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: First of all, you cannot make these dudes hire a

1004
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: black guy. I mean, the rule is the rule. I'm

1005
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: glad that they getting interviews, but at the end of

1006
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: the day, you not. You cannot sit up here and

1007
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 1: try to mandate how many minority coaches that the league

1008
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: has to our hires a whole. All these guys, these

1009
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 1: are individual guys. These are individual owners of these teams,

1010
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: and they have preferences, and the preferences obvious. So keep

1011
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: the rule, because I mean, every once in a while

1012
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 1: you will get a guy who goes in there and

1013
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: and he aws the GM and he gets hired. So

1014
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: keep it. Without that, then they might not even get

1015
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: the interview. The job you do not in an interview

1016
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 1: for you cannot get exactly I've gone through this in

1017
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: my professional television okay, where they because of the way

1018
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:35,359
Speaker 1: the these TV stations work in the EOC cond all

1019
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. Of the laws, you have to

1020
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,879
Speaker 1: interview minority canny. So I've been on those interviews before,

1021
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: where hey, look that we're gonna get the job. But

1022
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: I remember one job that I really wanted to get

1023
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: in Tucson, Arizona, young and my credit didn't get it.

1024
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: But the news director in Arizona ended up calling a

1025
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 1: guy in Savannah, Georgia. It said, look, he didn't get

1026
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: the job here, but you should look at him. That's

1027
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: a job I could have had. I didn't take it,

1028
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: ended up going as to Texas. But that was one

1029
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: of those six degrees of separation. You don't know who's

1030
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 1: going to be in the room and who can say,

1031
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 1: you know, boy Danny McCrae, we almost hired him, but

1032
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: down there somebody else he can help them. So I

1033
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: just believe in that. Now when you people are all

1034
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 1: the owners, and yes, you can be on the owners.

1035
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: But let me also say this, I don't think people

1036
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 1: are also talking about some of the head coaches or not.

1037
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: Ron Rivera gets the Washington job. He brings in Jack

1038
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 1: del Rio, who's white. He brings in North Turner's kid,

1039
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: to be his offensive coordinator who's white. So when you

1040
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: talk about getting a pipeline, you know, if you're not

1041
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: allowed as a minority coach to actually become a coordinator,

1042
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: to put yourself in the positions to be the next

1043
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: guy up, it's tough. Mike McCarthy's coming here and he's

1044
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: brought in Mike Nolan to be his defensive coordinator. I mean,

1045
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: so a part of these things where people are banging

1046
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 1: on the owners, you gotta get guys, gotta get in

1047
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: positions as coaches. So when you start to look at

1048
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 1: how you start shaping these tasks, how many of these

1049
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:56,800
Speaker 1: guys are actually putting in minorities where they can become

1050
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: a head arians follow him to go follow him, man,

1051
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 1: go see what they got going on. He's and he's going,

1052
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: he's going to continue. Yeah, but he's going Hopefully somebody

1053
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: follows the trend right he is making. He's intentionally making

1054
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:14,839
Speaker 1: an effort to surround himself with coaches that he really wants.

1055
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: Anybody down there that's his ocn Yeah, good one, good ones.

1056
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: He's got all of his coordinators, all of his coordinator

1057
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 1: in Tampa Bay. He's continued that, like he from Arizona

1058
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 1: all the way to um to Tampa. Like he's going

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00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: to continue doing that, and he's he makes it a purpose,

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00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 1: his purpose to get that back. Yeah, but that's that's

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00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: another thing there. It's just you know, for for as

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00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 1: a coach, you gotta get yourself in a position where

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00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 1: can you become a coordinator kid, And that's something I

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00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: think Sherry's been here. I think he's only had one

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00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: minority coordinator was Brian Stewart, who was here under under

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00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 1: Wade Phillips, and then he wasn't here very long. But

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00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 1: that's just so so I just go into that. As

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00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 1: a owner, you know, you're looking at your staff and

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00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,399
Speaker 1: looking at your key people. So so we can look

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00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 1: at the owners, but do not forget to look at

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00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 1: the head coaches, because he's head coaches are the guys

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00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: that are bringing in the people that people say, who's

1073
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 1: the next guy? I mean, how does Brian Flores get

1074
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:12,320
Speaker 1: his opportunity? It's because he was elevated within Bill Belichick system.

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00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 1: Christ account No, because Rod mary Nellen was defensive. You

1076
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 1: know that's true. You know, once you start speaking and

1077
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 1: then you know and how the defense playing. The people

1078
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: start saying he's the coordinator. But remember Rod was trying

1079
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 1: to say, hey, I'm trying to get this guy. Rod

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00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 1: was actually trying to help him, you know, down the

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00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:30,919
Speaker 1: road to become a head coach. Rod was actually trying

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00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,359
Speaker 1: to do it. He counts is one of those guys

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00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: like the Brian. But Flores, I mean you think he

1084
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: I mean somebody trying to elevate him, right right, Yes, yeah,

1085
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 1: you had someone who's trying to help him. So that's

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00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: the pipeline. That's the whole thing. When people doing, hey,

1087
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:46,320
Speaker 1: well who's in the pipeline? Who's Well, you gotta have

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00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: head coaches who get you in the pipeline. But if

1089
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 1: coaches are just gonna hire their friends and all their

1090
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: friends are basically white guys, and they just simply say, hey, look,

1091
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 1: you can be a dB coach, black guy, you can

1092
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 1: be a running back coach. I when you get pigeonholed

1093
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: and it's hard. I mean, Eric be Ennemy has done

1094
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: everything that you need to do to become a head

1095
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 1: coach except for the gold post. Keep moving for the guy.

1096
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 1: That's true. So the rooting rule is not the problem.

1097
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 1: The problem is how you get opportunities to show people

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00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 1: what it is you can do. That's true. I never

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00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 1: looked at it by that point. I mean I always

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00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: kind of side up to the owners, like, man, they

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00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 1: gotta get these guys. But you're all right, man, yeah,

1102
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 1: it's both. Yes, I think it's both. It's definitely your book.

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00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:29,359
Speaker 1: But that's what to me when I think about what's

1104
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 1: when you say what needs to change, what can change

1105
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:35,959
Speaker 1: and be most effective, it's getting guys opportunities as chord

1106
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 1: tators because basically who you're hiring, except for what the

1107
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 1: Giants did with what they're dude, Joe Judge, they're being

1108
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 1: they're guys who are coordinators. The problem I had with

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00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:46,720
Speaker 1: the b Ennity thing is people, well he didn't call plays.

1110
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: Other dudes weren't calling a play. Andy Rie got a

1111
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 1: John Philadelphia didn't call one play, was never even the coordinator.

1112
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: So it's like, okay, so why do the rules keep

1113
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: changing him? So but but there are I mean, you

1114
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: can't have a league of eighty percent, you know, players,

1115
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 1: the minorities, and telling me that can't. Ain't nobody worth

1116
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 1: anything to be ever become a coach. Um. You are correct,

1117
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's that's just it's impossible. But I

1118
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:13,320
Speaker 1: just truly believe he gotta have some opportunities to be

1119
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 1: able to show folks what it is you can do.

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00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: And even when you do, you know, like Tony Dungie

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00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: for years, you know, oh he's an interview and all

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00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: these two so I've spoken. I mean, it's all these

1123
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 1: excuses that were used against him, and then what happ

1124
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 1: when Tony had he took off and you know, so

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00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 1: that's that's that's been my my my kind of frustration

1126
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: is just, hey, look, it's hard to ever advance if

1127
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 1: all coaches do is hire their homies and buddies and friends.

1128
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:41,439
Speaker 1: And it's not just here. Look at the collegiate level,

1129
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: look at the clue. I told one of my buddies

1130
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 1: and said, man, I said, I don't know. I said,

1131
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 1: as a black, I don't know how you do that business.

1132
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 1: Because either you are a dB coach running back coach,

1133
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: you don't get the call plays rarely you do, and

1134
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: it's hard to get a jot. I said, it's I said,

1135
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: I don't see a whole lot of advancement. It is

1136
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 1: what you do. And people can talk about merits all

1137
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: day long. But if I cheap changing, if I keep changing,

1138
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 1: the narrative and keep moving the goal post so you

1139
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: can't get I mean I heard somebody saying, well, Eric,

1140
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 1: the enemy's offensive Colorado wasn't good many years ago. Was

1141
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 1: that Okay, it's his offense good. Now did he help

1142
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 1: coach the MVP? Well, it's all Andy, But you to

1143
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 1: say that with Dody Peterson got a job right, So

1144
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 1: that that's that thing of just how do you how

1145
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 1: do you win? If people want to go under that,

1146
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: there's a lot of them. Can he not grow gots?

1147
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 1: I mean Andy Reid left Philadelphia. People were just tired

1148
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: of Andy Reid, almost in the same way with Mike McCarthy.

1149
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: But what did Andy Reid? Andy read different? Guy? Hear

1150
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 1: nobody wanted to give him any credit that. You know what,

1151
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 1: maybe after ten plus years in Philly, my message was

1152
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 1: just needed to change and I needed to get some

1153
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: new thing in my blood. They go to place I

1154
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: think after seven years as a coach, you're making more

1155
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: enemies than you're making friends. Is this true? It's just

1156
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: the nature of the business. Unless you're winning championships like

1157
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 1: like Belichick. After about seven eight years, they're starting to

1158
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 1: nitpick at whidden. This happened that the tell you had

1159
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 1: these chances. It gets tough, It gets tough. So this

1160
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 1: was fun. Good luck to your Tigers. Is gonna win

1161
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: the national champion No, no, byou Bengals are getting the

1162
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 1: dub and we're gonna win by plus fourteen. It is

1163
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 1: Remember this, Barry, I'm listening. High Span Trophy winners have

1164
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 1: had a hard time winning national championships. This dudeen Joe

1165
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 1: Burrows's the beginning of the seat. He always find some

1166
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 1: type of stat that no, no, no, no, no, no,

1167
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 1: no no. The man is winning everything. This is what

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00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 1: we're gonna do. He's gonna win the Husban, winn the

1169
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 1: Natty first pick in the draft. That's it. These are

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00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 1: the three things that's gonna happen, and nothing you say

1171
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 1: can change that. It's a little twenty two plan. Yeah,

1172
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 1: everybody's playing. So when I see you on Friday eleven o'clock,

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00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 1: I just like you said, We're gonna turn it into

1174
00:59:55,760 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 1: a national championship celebration dinner. Twice twice we have doubted

1175
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 1: devil swing. Nick Saban, I'm just saying, man, Sa Tiger's

1176
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 1: gonna win one of them. Tee he yes, Tigers, I

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01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 1: see y'all out there. Man, don't you work. I just

1178
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 1: want you to bring that same enthusiasm and we might hit.

1179
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:25,439
Speaker 1: I'm just saying we might not hit for me if Clint,

1180
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 1: this guy just saying that a lot. Is that a lot?

1181
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 1: If they if they win, everyone saf safe travels. Being

1182
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 1: a part of the Players Lounge Slash Haters Club, and

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01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 1: we'll talk to you next week. Hate hate, Hate Hate.

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