WEBVTT - A Desperate man is a Dangerous Man.  Lanhee Chen Talks to A&G

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<v Speaker 1>Armstrong and Jetty show. This time will be the first

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<v Speaker 1>one on one debate between Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's gonna be a little different than the previous

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<v Speaker 1>debates due to concerns about coronavirus. There will be no

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<v Speaker 1>live audience in attendance, which bets the philosophical question if

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Biden makes a horrible gaff and no one's there

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<v Speaker 1>to hear it, does it still make you cringe? I

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<v Speaker 1>still can't wrap my head around the fact that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to be watching Kansas and Duke and whoever

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<v Speaker 1>played basketball? But I will see two old men. Are

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<v Speaker 1>you in a n empty room? Yeah? The Masters is

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<v Speaker 1>beyond my super Bowl, and I love baseball more than

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<v Speaker 1>some family members, so you can imagine my frame of mind. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Lanna e j Chen joins us Lon. He's the Dave

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<v Speaker 1>and Diane Steffyr Research Fellow with the Hoover Institution, Director

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<v Speaker 1>of Domestic Policy Studies at Stanford University, among other Echo leids.

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<v Speaker 1>Lon here, how are you, sir, boy? No hockey, no baseball? Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>No basketball. I don't know what I'm gonna do with

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<v Speaker 1>myself for the next couple of weeks. What am I

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<v Speaker 1>gonna do? Read we're talking earlier. If this continues for

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<v Speaker 1>a while, If this continues for a while, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>likely so, if my kids are out of school and

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<v Speaker 1>everything's closed and there's nothing going on, that we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be kind of an interesting little period we

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<v Speaker 1>go through here. Yeah. Yeah, well, just someone someone said

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<v Speaker 1>on Twitter, I thought it was very good. This will

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<v Speaker 1>be the ultimate test for marriages and for relationships with family,

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<v Speaker 1>that's for sure. Yeah. Indeed, So listen, let's talk a

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<v Speaker 1>little politics. It is my opinion on He's that Bernie

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<v Speaker 1>Sanders has essentially strapped himself in a suicide vest and

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<v Speaker 1>is going to go into the debate with old man

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<v Speaker 1>Biden the other night and maybe blow him up. Um

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<v Speaker 1>am I nuts or what? No? I think he's made

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<v Speaker 1>pretty clear. I mean, he gave that speech with it

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<v Speaker 1>yesterday the day before where he said, you know, I've

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<v Speaker 1>got some questions for for Joe Biden, and and you

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<v Speaker 1>know these are not questions that can be answered well

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<v Speaker 1>by Joe Biden. And certainly I think it is Bernie

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<v Speaker 1>Sanders strategy to use this debate to to take him

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<v Speaker 1>down because he realizes, you know, he's desperate now. He

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<v Speaker 1>realized if he cannot take Joe Biden down in this debate,

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<v Speaker 1>the contest is overlooked. I think the contest is basically

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<v Speaker 1>over now. But Bernie Sanders believes this is his last

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<v Speaker 1>best chance to impact the race. And a a desperate

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<v Speaker 1>man is a dangerous man, right. We've all seen the

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<v Speaker 1>scene in the movie where the hero is triumphed in

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<v Speaker 1>the fight and then the bad guy I reaches up

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<v Speaker 1>and stabs him with a knife nobody knew was there.

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<v Speaker 1>And listen, bad guy might still lose the fight, but

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<v Speaker 1>he is really really damaged. You know. In this metaphor,

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Biden Democratic Party allowing this to happen, well, I

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I think they have to because if they don't,

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<v Speaker 1>the Standard supporters are really gonna go nuts. They're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>go nuts anyway, that's my my theories. You're not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>win over the hardcore Bernie crowd anyway, you could. There's

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<v Speaker 1>only downside to put Biden in a room with him Sunday.

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<v Speaker 1>But what's your opinion? Well, you know, I think I

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<v Speaker 1>think they for optics sake, they feel like they have to.

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<v Speaker 1>And and the debate was scheduled, and it's the opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>for them to go one on one. Imagine the outcry,

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<v Speaker 1>Imagine the amount of backlash the Democratic Party gets if

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<v Speaker 1>they if they really look like they're trying to take

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<v Speaker 1>this away from Bernie. And you know, some would argue

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<v Speaker 1>that the rules that have been put in place, um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, make it harder for Bernie. Now, I think

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<v Speaker 1>for Bernie, those are rules he agreed to. And by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, Willie insisted on him. Yeah, and and and

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<v Speaker 1>and he was ahead of the delicate race. He was

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<v Speaker 1>the one saying no, no, no, the person with a

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<v Speaker 1>plurality you know that that that person will be then

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<v Speaker 1>the nominee. So I look, I think they're doing it

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<v Speaker 1>because they feel like they have to. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's a very very risky proposition for Joe Biden, no

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<v Speaker 1>question about it. I could I can talk about this

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<v Speaker 1>the whole time we have you on, and maybe we will.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is breaking news. The president of Brazil has

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<v Speaker 1>tested positive for coronavirus. He's the highest ranking world leader

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<v Speaker 1>with coronavirus. Canada's trudeaut doesn't count, but he dined. He

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<v Speaker 1>dined with Trump on the seventh, so that's fairly recently.

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<v Speaker 1>If Trump tested positive, if he ends up with corona,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you think that would play out politically? Oh

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<v Speaker 1>my goodness, I mean that would be you know that

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<v Speaker 1>there would be first of all, we'd see a market

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<v Speaker 1>shock like you've you've not seen already. Well it's hard,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I know, but but really yourself, don't say

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<v Speaker 1>that a loud break, but don't say allowed. That's one thing. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I think it will. I think it will

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<v Speaker 1>create some serious, um, you know, political challenges because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he's not a young guy. I mean, he's actually pretty

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<v Speaker 1>healthy and so it appears for a guy at his age,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's not a young guy. So you know, people

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<v Speaker 1>are gonna have to keep an eye on him, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know it's going to create it will change the

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<v Speaker 1>political dynamic fundamentally, you know, all the bickering, all the partisanship.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually think and I would hope that if he

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<v Speaker 1>were to be ill in that way, it would go away,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, at least for that period of time. But boy,

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<v Speaker 1>that would be something. It's it's it's hard to imagine.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard to fathom. I I don't want to imagine

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<v Speaker 1>that that's the case. I mean, regardless of how one

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<v Speaker 1>feels about a political leader, you never want them to

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<v Speaker 1>be sick in that way. Right, Well, put up a

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<v Speaker 1>lot chans on the line, Uh, a lot he putting

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<v Speaker 1>aside the fact that it's a bilateral choice when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to an election, and be um, Donald j will

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<v Speaker 1>be running against either an ancient borderline communist or Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Biden who's really showing signs of weakening. Putting those things aside. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>to what extent do you think Trump's reelection will rise

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<v Speaker 1>and fall on the response to the coronavirus. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean I think it's it's almost entirely. I shouldn't say that,

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, we know that politics, the cycle's turnover,

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<v Speaker 1>so quickly and and God God willing, if this is

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<v Speaker 1>all kind of behind us by the time we get

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<v Speaker 1>to the summer, there's still a whole another lifetime before

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<v Speaker 1>the election. That having been said, I think this is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be a formative part of people's opinions about

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<v Speaker 1>how Donald Trump has handled the job of president. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a crisis, that is you know, here in

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<v Speaker 1>California obviously we see it every day, but now I

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<v Speaker 1>think people across the country are really starting to see

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<v Speaker 1>this is a major, major, not just public health crisis,

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<v Speaker 1>for human crisis, and how the president handles it I

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<v Speaker 1>think will be influential in how people view him when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes time for re election in November. I think

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<v Speaker 1>he has renewed his sense of caution about what he

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<v Speaker 1>says and doesn't say, because there are a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>missteps early well, there were missteps, I mean certainly in

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<v Speaker 1>what he said. Look that there's no excuse for that

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<v Speaker 1>speech the other night, having the errors that had in it.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason you have prepared text is so that you

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<v Speaker 1>can vet it and avoid those errors. Having been involved

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<v Speaker 1>in a lot of speech writing over the years, you

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<v Speaker 1>know that that shouldn't happen, doesn't mean that it doesn't,

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<v Speaker 1>but it shouldn't do. The thing I would say is,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, every crisis has a moment that crystallizes public

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<v Speaker 1>opinion about how the leader is doing. So Katrina for Bush,

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<v Speaker 1>were the signs of people stuck in the flood saying

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<v Speaker 1>please help us? Right, every crisis has a moment. The

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<v Speaker 1>coronavirus crisis to me, at least that moment could be

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<v Speaker 1>this lack of testing. That really could be the thing

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<v Speaker 1>that crystallizes in people's minds. Trump's handling of it, and

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<v Speaker 1>and look, some of this is beyond his control, no

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<v Speaker 1>question about it. But it is unconscionable that we still

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<v Speaker 1>do not have access to testing for people who wanted

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<v Speaker 1>in this country. It is unconscionable. Um, I just wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to ask this. So it seems like part of the

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<v Speaker 1>strategy from Republicans is going to be really hammer Biden

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<v Speaker 1>on every gaff for you know, mental senior moment or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>You think that's a good angle in thirty seconds or

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<v Speaker 1>less port Well, you look, I think I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>probably the the angle that they think is best at

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<v Speaker 1>this point, given that Joe has shown that he's not

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<v Speaker 1>the same in Canada, US several years ago. So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think they'll perceive two angles. One will be corruption,

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<v Speaker 1>Washington insider, swamp monster, and the second will be sort

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<v Speaker 1>of mental confidence. And I think they're going to go

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<v Speaker 1>up both of those very hard. Wow, it's always interesting

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<v Speaker 1>in in this one. Oh my gosh, I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 1>I'm strong enough, but we'll live through it together. Lonie

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<v Speaker 1>Chen of the Hoover Institution and Stanford University. Always informative,

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<v Speaker 1>You're the best. Thank you take care of guys, great

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<v Speaker 1>to talk. Is this like a full ninety minute debate

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<v Speaker 1>Sunday night? Yes, two people, no crowd. That's going to

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<v Speaker 1>seem like a long debate. There's plenty of time for

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<v Speaker 1>Biden's mind to want udern, for him to say something wacky,

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<v Speaker 1>and Bernie's big applause lines and millionaires and billionaires in

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<v Speaker 1>an empty room is gonna seem weird. You quit yelling

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<v Speaker 1>at me, old man, I can hear you a fine.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, if the dots are allowed, all right, Yellen,

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<v Speaker 1>quit yell at the dynamics of that are gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>so strange. Yeah, And I don't think either one is

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