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This time will be the first 11 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: one on one debate between Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders, 12 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: and it's gonna be a little different than the previous 13 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: debates due to concerns about coronavirus. There will be no 14 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: live audience in attendance, which bets the philosophical question if 15 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: Joe Biden makes a horrible gaff and no one's there 16 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 1: to hear it, does it still make you cringe? I 17 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 1: still can't wrap my head around the fact that I'm 18 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:10,279 Speaker 1: not going to be watching Kansas and Duke and whoever 19 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 1: played basketball? But I will see two old men. Are 20 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: you in a n empty room? Yeah? The Masters is 21 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: beyond my super Bowl, and I love baseball more than 22 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: some family members, so you can imagine my frame of mind. Uh. 23 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: Lanna e j Chen joins us Lon. He's the Dave 24 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,199 Speaker 1: and Diane Steffyr Research Fellow with the Hoover Institution, Director 25 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:32,479 Speaker 1: of Domestic Policy Studies at Stanford University, among other Echo leids. 26 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:36,960 Speaker 1: Lon here, how are you, sir, boy? No hockey, no baseball? Uh? 27 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 1: No basketball. I don't know what I'm gonna do with 28 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: myself for the next couple of weeks. What am I 29 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: gonna do? Read we're talking earlier. If this continues for 30 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: a while, If this continues for a while, and it's 31 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: likely so, if my kids are out of school and 32 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: everything's closed and there's nothing going on, that we're gonna 33 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: it's gonna be kind of an interesting little period we 34 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: go through here. Yeah. Yeah, well, just someone someone said 35 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: on Twitter, I thought it was very good. This will 36 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: be the ultimate test for marriages and for relationships with family, 37 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: that's for sure. Yeah. Indeed, So listen, let's talk a 38 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: little politics. It is my opinion on He's that Bernie 39 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: Sanders has essentially strapped himself in a suicide vest and 40 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: is going to go into the debate with old man 41 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: Biden the other night and maybe blow him up. Um 42 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: am I nuts or what? No? I think he's made 43 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: pretty clear. I mean, he gave that speech with it 44 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: yesterday the day before where he said, you know, I've 45 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: got some questions for for Joe Biden, and and you 46 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 1: know these are not questions that can be answered well 47 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 1: by Joe Biden. And certainly I think it is Bernie 48 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: Sanders strategy to use this debate to to take him 49 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 1: down because he realizes, you know, he's desperate now. He 50 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: realized if he cannot take Joe Biden down in this debate, 51 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: the contest is overlooked. I think the contest is basically 52 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: over now. But Bernie Sanders believes this is his last 53 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: best chance to impact the race. And a a desperate 54 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: man is a dangerous man, right. We've all seen the 55 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: scene in the movie where the hero is triumphed in 56 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: the fight and then the bad guy I reaches up 57 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: and stabs him with a knife nobody knew was there. 58 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: And listen, bad guy might still lose the fight, but 59 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: he is really really damaged. You know. In this metaphor, 60 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 1: Joe Biden Democratic Party allowing this to happen, well, I 61 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: you know, I think they have to because if they don't, 62 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: the Standard supporters are really gonna go nuts. They're gonna 63 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: go nuts anyway, that's my my theories. You're not gonna 64 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: win over the hardcore Bernie crowd anyway, you could. There's 65 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: only downside to put Biden in a room with him Sunday. 66 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: But what's your opinion? Well, you know, I think I 67 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: think they for optics sake, they feel like they have to. 68 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: And and the debate was scheduled, and it's the opportunity 69 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: for them to go one on one. Imagine the outcry, 70 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: Imagine the amount of backlash the Democratic Party gets if 71 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: they if they really look like they're trying to take 72 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: this away from Bernie. And you know, some would argue 73 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: that the rules that have been put in place, um, 74 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: you know, make it harder for Bernie. Now, I think 75 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: for Bernie, those are rules he agreed to. And by 76 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: the way, Willie insisted on him. Yeah, and and and 77 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: and he was ahead of the delicate race. He was 78 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: the one saying no, no, no, the person with a 79 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: plurality you know that that that person will be then 80 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: the nominee. So I look, I think they're doing it 81 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: because they feel like they have to. But I think 82 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: it's a very very risky proposition for Joe Biden, no 83 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: question about it. I could I can talk about this 84 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: the whole time we have you on, and maybe we will. 85 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: But this is breaking news. The president of Brazil has 86 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: tested positive for coronavirus. He's the highest ranking world leader 87 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: with coronavirus. Canada's trudeaut doesn't count, but he dined. He 88 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 1: dined with Trump on the seventh, so that's fairly recently. 89 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: If Trump tested positive, if he ends up with corona, 90 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 1: how do you think that would play out politically? Oh 91 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 1: my goodness, I mean that would be you know that 92 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: there would be first of all, we'd see a market 93 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: shock like you've you've not seen already. Well it's hard, 94 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 1: you know, I know, but but really yourself, don't say 95 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: that a loud break, but don't say allowed. That's one thing. Um, 96 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: you know, I think it will. I think it will 97 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: create some serious, um, you know, political challenges because you know, 98 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,359 Speaker 1: he's not a young guy. I mean, he's actually pretty 99 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 1: healthy and so it appears for a guy at his age, 100 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 1: but he's not a young guy. So you know, people 101 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: are gonna have to keep an eye on him, and 102 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 1: you know it's going to create it will change the 103 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 1: political dynamic fundamentally, you know, all the bickering, all the partisanship. 104 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: I actually think and I would hope that if he 105 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 1: were to be ill in that way, it would go away, 106 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: you know, at least for that period of time. But boy, 107 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 1: that would be something. It's it's it's hard to imagine. 108 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: It's hard to fathom. I I don't want to imagine 109 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: that that's the case. I mean, regardless of how one 110 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: feels about a political leader, you never want them to 111 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: be sick in that way. Right, Well, put up a 112 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: lot chans on the line, Uh, a lot he putting 113 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: aside the fact that it's a bilateral choice when it 114 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: comes to an election, and be um, Donald j will 115 00:05:55,080 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: be running against either an ancient borderline communist or Joe 116 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 1: Biden who's really showing signs of weakening. Putting those things aside. Um, 117 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 1: to what extent do you think Trump's reelection will rise 118 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: and fall on the response to the coronavirus. Yeah, I 119 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 1: mean I think it's it's almost entirely. I shouldn't say that, 120 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: because you know, we know that politics, the cycle's turnover, 121 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: so quickly and and God God willing, if this is 122 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: all kind of behind us by the time we get 123 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: to the summer, there's still a whole another lifetime before 124 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: the election. That having been said, I think this is 125 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 1: going to be a formative part of people's opinions about 126 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 1: how Donald Trump has handled the job of president. Uh. 127 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: It is a crisis, that is you know, here in 128 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: California obviously we see it every day, but now I 129 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 1: think people across the country are really starting to see 130 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: this is a major, major, not just public health crisis, 131 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: for human crisis, and how the president handles it I 132 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: think will be influential in how people view him when 133 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: it comes time for re election in November. I think 134 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 1: he has renewed his sense of caution about what he 135 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 1: says and doesn't say, because there are a couple of 136 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: missteps early well, there were missteps, I mean certainly in 137 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 1: what he said. Look that there's no excuse for that 138 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: speech the other night, having the errors that had in it. 139 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: The reason you have prepared text is so that you 140 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: can vet it and avoid those errors. Having been involved 141 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: in a lot of speech writing over the years, you 142 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: know that that shouldn't happen, doesn't mean that it doesn't, 143 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: but it shouldn't do. The thing I would say is, 144 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: you know, every crisis has a moment that crystallizes public 145 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: opinion about how the leader is doing. So Katrina for Bush, 146 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: were the signs of people stuck in the flood saying 147 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: please help us? Right, every crisis has a moment. The 148 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: coronavirus crisis to me, at least that moment could be 149 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: this lack of testing. That really could be the thing 150 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: that crystallizes in people's minds. Trump's handling of it, and 151 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: and look, some of this is beyond his control, no 152 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: question about it. But it is unconscionable that we still 153 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: do not have access to testing for people who wanted 154 00:07:55,880 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: in this country. It is unconscionable. Um, I just wanted 155 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: to ask this. So it seems like part of the 156 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: strategy from Republicans is going to be really hammer Biden 157 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:11,559 Speaker 1: on every gaff for you know, mental senior moment or whatever. 158 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: You think that's a good angle in thirty seconds or 159 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: less port Well, you look, I think I think it's 160 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: probably the the angle that they think is best at 161 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: this point, given that Joe has shown that he's not 162 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: the same in Canada, US several years ago. So you know, 163 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: I think they'll perceive two angles. One will be corruption, 164 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: Washington insider, swamp monster, and the second will be sort 165 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: of mental confidence. And I think they're going to go 166 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: up both of those very hard. Wow, it's always interesting 167 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,199 Speaker 1: in in this one. Oh my gosh, I'm not sure 168 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: I'm strong enough, but we'll live through it together. Lonie 169 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: Chen of the Hoover Institution and Stanford University. Always informative, 170 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: You're the best. Thank you take care of guys, great 171 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 1: to talk. Is this like a full ninety minute debate 172 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:56,079 Speaker 1: Sunday night? Yes, two people, no crowd. 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