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Speaker 1: What's up, Mets fans, got a special episode coming at

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Speaker 1: you today. We talked to Matt Eddie of Baseball America,

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Speaker 1: friend of the podcast in a couple of fantasy baseball leagues,

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Speaker 2: It's been a while since we brought him on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Mark under selves and Maddie's ether in chief of

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Speaker 3: Baseball America. I'm pretty sure from conversations with him back

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Speaker 3: he's has a professional human being, So he just lives, eats,

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Speaker 3: breeds everything prospect. So Matt Eddie, legend, friend of the

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Speaker 3: show listener, just great guests and like you guys will

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Speaker 3: changing landscape of player development.

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Speaker 4: He's great.

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Speaker 3: Yep, and again, without further ado, Matt ade.

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Speaker 2: What is up? Mets fans?

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of the Mets Up Podcast.

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Speaker 1: We now have a new champion of the most recurring

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Speaker 1: guests on the Mess Up Podcast, taking over that title

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Speaker 1: from Code I sangu They were tied at too. We've

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Speaker 1: got Matt Eddie of Baseball America, friend of the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Matt, thanks for coming on. How are we doing?

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Speaker 4: Hey guys, thanks for having me visit number three?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, visit number three again, passing Code I sank. Maybe

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Speaker 3: we'll make a little like mock like funny graphic about

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Speaker 3: that afterwards. This coming week, but that first thing we

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Speaker 3: want to do just talk about where this mess system

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Speaker 3: Maybe you don't have to do the whole top ten.

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Speaker 3: Lead people something else subscribed for maybe the top five.

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Speaker 3: Talk about your favorites, maybe someone who rose, someone who fell,

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Speaker 3: just a nice broad overlay of the system.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, our list came out in November. Baseball America was

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Speaker 4: able to publish all of its top tens in at

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Speaker 4: the end of twenty twenty three for the first time

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Speaker 4: in one year. That was a landmark for us. With

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Speaker 4: the organization was pretty clear that Jet Williams was their guy.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: He offers you some up the middle, upside, some hitting ability, speed,

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Speaker 4: so he was their pick, you know. And then the

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Speaker 4: rest of the top ten, especially crowded near the top,

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Speaker 3: You kind of see the system kind of into conversation

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Speaker 4: I think it's a little both. I think the trades

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Speaker 1: With Jet Williams specifically, he's been someone that's been I

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Speaker 4: It's possible, probably a lower probability because he's I think

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Speaker 3: Will you see as Jet Williams more most likely home

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Speaker 3: Both of those players definitely find themselves on the shorter side,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that is really interesting. I hadn't thought of the stride,

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Speaker 2: Do you still have that same hope of Brett Bady, Yes.

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Speaker 3: We would like to preach patients in this podcast, especially

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Speaker 3: Baty right now is about four hundred, four hundred thirty

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Speaker 4: Given Beaty's prospect pedigree, I would give him the entire

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Speaker 1: Talking about how Batty was dominating at Triple A. We've

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of difficulty.

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Speaker 1: Is there just a bigger gap than we're we've been

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Speaker 3: Did you think by that token it made this might

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Speaker 3: it's more difficult, especially at that level.

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Speaker 3: Of all those guys too, we were talking a lot

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Speaker 4: An element is frankly the way Florida uses pitchers, emphasizing

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Speaker 1: You spoke about the draft and how you know Brandon

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know the first round of Colin Helck, obviously

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Speaker 4: Hey averages ninety five easy motion up to ninety eight.

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Speaker 3: That more of a hard slider that's like kind of

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Speaker 3: The big story with the Mets draft now this most

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's tough. I think these new CBT penalties have

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Speaker 3: Do you think you've seen that now that's been going

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Speaker 4: I think I think that the need to find challenges

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I know with Colin Holk last year, the

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I think with him, I think it's the potential

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Speaker 3: Is there a level of awkwardness with a guy like

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Speaker 4: You know, I don't know specifically. I know what's interesting

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Speaker 3: With that, I want to now bring it back from

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I was very inpressed with him, like just

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Speaker 4: I know, at least reputation wise, he was struggled a

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Speaker 4: little bit with the right on right spin, So we'll

441
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Speaker 4: see if he can correct that. But obviously the raw

442
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Speaker 4: power measures up with probably anybody except for Elbarez among

443
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Speaker 4: the young up and coming players.

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Speaker 3: Back to the trade deadline last season, the Mets acquired

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Speaker 3: Drew Gilbert, luis An Haloicunya, and Ryan Clifford as as

446
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Speaker 3: the big names, as well as Jeremy Rodriguez and Tommy

447
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Speaker 3: fan Trade and Marco Vargas and Marco Vargas and Ral Hernandez. Yes,

448
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Speaker 3: of those prospects, not necessarily which one is the best

449
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Speaker 3: right now, which anything has the highest ceiling, but which

450
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Speaker 3: was your favorite, maybe even just from an acquisitional cost

451
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Speaker 3: standpoint than what they are now. The changes they've even

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Speaker 3: made already in the Mets system.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I like. I like Gilbert for probability, but I

454
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Speaker 4: think for creativity. I like the Jeremy Rodriguez trade, Yes,

455
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Speaker 4: you know, being a to get who was the Diamondbacks

456
00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,920
Speaker 4: top signee who was heard an outstanding debut in the DSL.

457
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Speaker 4: Able to get him and get creative, but they were

458
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Speaker 4: you know, paying down like half of fan's contract to

459
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Speaker 4: acquire a better talent. I think that's a good sign

460
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Speaker 4: for the future as well, especially as we look at

461
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Speaker 4: some of these short term deals they've signed this offseason.

462
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Speaker 4: We could get, you know, repeats of this at this

463
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Speaker 4: upcoming trade deadline if the season goes south.

464
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Speaker 3: What about Rodriguez?

465
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Speaker 4: Do you like? Hitterish, good athlete, probably a second baseman,

466
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Speaker 4: but a chance to be a first division guy at

467
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Speaker 4: this point. I mean, he started the season at sixteen.

468
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Speaker 4: He's super young at this point. He's got to hit

469
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Speaker 4: the ball harder, but he's got a lot of the

470
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Speaker 4: the swing decisions and the hitter trades that he like.

471
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Speaker 1: It's just like crazy to think, Like when you said sixteen,

472
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Speaker 1: it's like, wow, the guy's born in like two thousand

473
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Speaker 1: and what seven six, Like it's like, oh my god,

474
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Speaker 1: Like the met the Mets were blowing the division that year, Like.

475
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Speaker 4: He doesn't know, he doesn't have that baggage.

476
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Speaker 3: Would you say something like hitherish like a scouting term?

477
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Speaker 3: Can you tell listeners what what that means? Even though

478
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Speaker 3: if it's there's a feeling around that way, But like

479
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Speaker 3: when you say hitherish, like well, like the three traits below, it.

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Speaker 4: Let's see good rhythm, swings the strikes, does it chase?

481
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Speaker 4: You can kind of hit the ball where it's pitched

482
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Speaker 4: when needed. And he's not a guy who's obviously signing

483
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Speaker 4: out for power based on his exi velos. So yeah,

484
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Speaker 4: attributes like that.

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Speaker 1: Is it just one of those things like where it's

486
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Speaker 1: like instinctually he just acts like a hitter.

487
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Speaker 4: That's the thing. It's like Major league teams through time

488
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Speaker 4: have demonstrated that they can identify future Major leaguers at

489
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Speaker 4: a very young age hitters sixteen seventeen eighteen. They have

490
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Speaker 4: a very strong track record with those types of players. Pitchers,

491
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Speaker 4: no chance, but hitters. So when you get a young

492
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Speaker 4: guy who impresses scouts at that age, I take that

493
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Speaker 4: as a good.

494
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Speaker 3: Sign when you say that he saw us to get

495
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Speaker 3: his eggs of losses. But he's also a sixteen seventeen

496
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Speaker 3: year old. Where where are those benchmarks for literal teenager

497
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Speaker 3: eggs of laws here? Are you guys pulling that from

498
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Speaker 3: what you take from high school data or is there

499
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Speaker 3: something that's more You expect more from these players who

500
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Speaker 3: are already professional Where where are those benchmarks? And how

501
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Speaker 3: much room do you give them for legit physical maturation.

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Speaker 4: I don't know exactly where the line is. I have

503
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Speaker 4: to look that up. I think at that age, which

504
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Speaker 4: is what I'm really zeroing in on, is how evaluators.

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Speaker 4: How convinced are they that this player can hit or

506
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Speaker 4: will hit, because obviously at a sixteen, like the present

507
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Speaker 4: hit tool in the major leagues would be like a

508
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Speaker 4: negative one. But I mean, but you know, you're kind

509
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Speaker 4: of placing your faith in those emails.

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Speaker 1: With Ryan Clifford, I know, a favorite of James. Last year,

511
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Speaker 1: he kind of struggled a little bit when he went

512
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Speaker 1: to Brooklyn, and we know about you know how lefties

513
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Speaker 1: in particular in that ballpark tend to struggle because you

514
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Speaker 1: are hitting into the ocean. It's a very very difficult

515
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Speaker 1: ballpark to hit in, regardless if you're a lefty, and

516
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Speaker 1: then you add in the wind from the waves coming,

517
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Speaker 1: it's not very easy. Clifford's outlook going forward, he was

518
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Speaker 1: someone who's kind of had a little bit of hype

519
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Speaker 1: because of that hit tool.

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Speaker 2: Anything changed with him, I don't think so.

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Speaker 4: I think he's a tough player to evaluate on the

522
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Speaker 4: surface numbers, just because he went from Ashville to Brooklyn.

523
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Speaker 4: Probably one of the more severe Hiya switch ups that

524
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Speaker 4: you'll see, you know, the bad of all Dada was good.

525
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Speaker 4: He's you know, the power production was good. Twenty four

526
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Speaker 4: homers as a teenager, that's a good total. I think

527
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Speaker 4: what he does at double A when he reaches it

528
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Speaker 4: this year will be a lot more telling.

529
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Speaker 3: You mentioned very Erillion's interview about Louis and Helakunya is

530
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Speaker 3: ceiling as a hitter, and I feel like that's something

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Speaker 3: that's very contentious right now in both Mets and prospect circles,

532
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Speaker 3: mostly probably because of his last name, and then secondly

533
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Speaker 3: because of the player who we just happened to be

534
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Speaker 3: traded for. It's a lot to stand up to as

535
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Speaker 3: a as a young baseball player, and we see him

536
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Speaker 3: take batting practice and he sometimes can just hit the

537
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Speaker 3: shit out of the ball like he'll take a hack.

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Speaker 3: Even sometimes in a game when he gets a hanger,

539
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Speaker 3: he hits tower home runs you can't even believe, especially

540
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Speaker 3: from his size. So where is that game power lacking

541
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Speaker 3: and how hard or easier or what kind of changes

542
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Speaker 3: need to happen for a player, not even Acunya specifically

543
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Speaker 3: to tap into more of what's wrong.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's one of the borderline players right where he

545
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Speaker 4: does have the good raw power, but for him to

546
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Speaker 4: be an effective major leaguer, he's probably not. Probably his

547
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Speaker 4: best version is not selling out for that all the time,

548
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Speaker 4: and in practice he does tend to go the other

549
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Speaker 4: way and hit the ball on the ground to you know,

550
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Speaker 4: as the old maxim is to take advantage of his speed.

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Speaker 4: So I think the best version of him is probably

552
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Speaker 4: someone who takes his shots obviously takes his a swing

553
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Speaker 4: early incounts, but is more inclined to try to work

554
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Speaker 4: his lamb base.

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Speaker 3: And you also said in the player evaluation from the

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Speaker 3: Trade that he's like you like Drew Gilbert the most

557
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Speaker 3: based on probability, which I'm sure a lot of fans

558
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Speaker 3: will here be like what whatal? But what makes you

559
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Speaker 3: think that he's so? He has just less of a

560
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Speaker 3: range of outcomes as more of a certain major leaguer

561
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Speaker 3: than these other players acquired.

562
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Speaker 4: He has the attributes that you know, he's got the

563
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Speaker 4: the IQ, the makeup, the energy and the tools of

564
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Speaker 4: a of a winning player. I think you know and

565
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Speaker 4: I don't know that he necessarily has a plus tool.

566
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Speaker 4: I think you would look at him and say he's

567
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Speaker 4: fifties across the board. But he's but he's but he's versatile.

568
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Speaker 4: He can play any outfield position, throw as well as

569
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Speaker 4: a former pitcher. You know, his on base ability might

570
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Speaker 4: be his best attribute and there might be some overlap

571
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Speaker 4: to like a Brandon Nimmo coming up in terms of

572
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Speaker 4: what he does well.

573
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Speaker 1: This is something like we like to say, and I'm

574
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Speaker 1: sure it's not a term that a lot of scouting

575
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Speaker 1: or evaluators use, but like Drew Gilbert's got a little

576
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Speaker 1: dog in him, Like he's just kind of that guy.

577
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Speaker 1: Like he seems like he's a leader, He's got a

578
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Speaker 1: lot of fire. Is does that play into how people

579
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Speaker 1: perceive a prospect?

580
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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, you definitely want the players who who

581
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Speaker 4: just want it. You know, I think it's an important

582
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Speaker 4: separator when we're talking about the best of the best.

583
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Speaker 3: It feels like he has that feels like again, we

584
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Speaker 3: went to that semi final game last year with the

585
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Speaker 3: Binghamton Met the Rumble Ponies and the Patriots, and you

586
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 3: felt that him, Jet and Akunya and Hamill like kind

587
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 3: of together had this little had this little like walk

588
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Speaker 3: in their step. Is there something about these players having

589
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 3: this exposure playing together and playing at a high level

590
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Speaker 3: before they reached the major league. Is that's something that

591
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Speaker 3: we can that should be and maybe is tracked in

592
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Speaker 3: a way that can create the better likelihood of being

593
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Speaker 3: better major leaguers.

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Speaker 4: I think there's something to it. There is a lot

595
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Speaker 4: of correlation between organizations that win in the minor leagues,

596
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 4: like at all levels, and in the major leagues. Right

597
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 4: It's not one to one, obviously, but there is some

598
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 4: correlation there. So it is encouraging to see groups of

599
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 4: players rise and master each level. And you know, we'll

600
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Speaker 4: see if it bears fruit in the major leagues, but

601
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Speaker 4: I think it's a good start at double A.

602
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Speaker 1: Team one prospect we haven't spoke about yet. Former first

603
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Speaker 1: round pick by the Mets, Kevin Parada. I think he

604
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Speaker 1: came in at number ten on Baseball America's list, and

605
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Speaker 1: he's someone who I think draft time had a lot

606
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Speaker 1: of hype and then he obviously dropped down to the

607
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Speaker 1: Mets and it seems like he's been a little underwhelming

608
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Speaker 1: thus far. What are we looking at with Kevin Parada

609
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Speaker 1: moving forward right now?

610
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Speaker 4: A tough year. I ended up giving giving him a

611
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Speaker 4: mulligan because he did play well for stretches at Brooklyn

612
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 4: kind of had an injury late and then struggled to

613
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Speaker 4: double a. But you know, he's either got to improve

614
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 4: his hitting or he's got to improve his ability to

615
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 4: stay behind the plate. There's probability to stay behind the plate.

616
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Speaker 4: It's hard to see him in the current version being

617
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Speaker 4: a major league ger. Up.

618
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Speaker 3: Note when you say in the current version, what and

619
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 3: specifically like his hitting at his field, it's very broad.

620
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 2: Up What does we are his.

621
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Speaker 3: Weaknesses right now as a prospect, and what are things

622
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,120
Speaker 3: that can kind of elevate his status.

623
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Speaker 4: The arm is the biggest issue. He allows a ton

624
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Speaker 4: of stolen based attempts at a high success rate of

625
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 4: successful stolen bases, doesn't get into position very well. Framing

626
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 4: higher pitches needs work. The hitting was okay at times.

627
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 4: He's got a good disciplined approach. I think there was

628
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 4: more miss even on pitches in the zone than expected.

629
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Speaker 4: I think there's more rawness than expected just for this hitting. Overall,

630
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Speaker 4: I think there's some teams that would still go like

631
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 4: by future hit and power on him. So he's not

632
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 4: like a lost cause. If he can tweak and get

633
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 4: to where he was two years ago.

634
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Speaker 2: I've got more of a question just for you in general.

635
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Speaker 1: We've been naming prospects for thirty minutes, and you're able

636
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Speaker 1: to just like rattle off like instantly, like.

637
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 2: Just stuff about all these guys.

638
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Speaker 1: How do you even keep track or how do you

639
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: even have enough time to watch or evaluate all these

640
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Speaker 1: kinds of players?

641
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 4: Well, I did I read my chapter again before I

642
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 4: did this interview. That helps, and it's kind of fresh

643
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 4: in mind because I wrote it in December, so I

644
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 4: was able to call back to a lot of that. Yeah,

645
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 4: it's just a lot of conversations with people all season long,

646
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 4: just kind of thinking about where players fit in an

647
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:21,719
Speaker 4: overall context.

648
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Speaker 3: It's even fun having these conversations with you because it

649
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 3: feels like so second nature and like to feel the

650
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 3: lingo coming out in the way you talk about these

651
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 3: players and things you can rattle off about them. It's

652
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 3: great and I love every time you come on. We

653
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 3: all have some nice, funny little group chat. We talked

654
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 3: somewhat often about this stuff as much as we can,

655
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 3: but now just like zoom out a little bit and

656
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 3: talk about the Mets sis, the Mets like organization as

657
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Speaker 3: a whole. In terms of minor league's player development. They

658
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 3: made two pretty significant highers earlier this offseason in Chris

659
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 3: Gross to be a VP of Amateur Scouting and Andy

660
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 3: Green to be I remember his actual title, but I

661
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 3: think it was also a VP of player development. Whether

662
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 3: you know or whether you heard about those two guys

663
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 3: and whether you think they fit in to this Mets

664
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 3: puzzle players development.

665
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 4: Yes, Gross has a tremendous reputation around the game, so

666
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 4: that was an exciting for the organization to have him

667
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 4: running the drafts. I think that will be I think

668
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 4: that will be good for the organization. I know less

669
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 4: about Green, just because he's been like a minor league

670
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 4: manager briefly a major league manager. I believe it. So

671
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 4: I'm not mistaken good reputation obviously because he was had

672
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 4: a prominent role over the Cubs before he was hired.

673
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 4: But yeah, we'll look forward to seeing what he can

674
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 4: do with the farm system this year.

675
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: Has the addition of Eric Jaegers to the Mets farm

676
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: system in the pitching lab. Has that been something that

677
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: evaluators have taken note of as like.

678
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 2: He might have a little something going on here?

679
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 4: I think so. I think we've seen pictures, you know,

680
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 4: broaden the repertoires just the number one thing that we've

681
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 4: seen from most of the emerging Mets pitching prospects, because

682
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 4: in most cases it's not guys who were like, you know,

683
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:59,479
Speaker 4: first round picks or even necessarily even prominent college pitchers,

684
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 4: but and Scott and then they're going to try to

685
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 4: get Nolan McLean to kind of take that route as

686
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 4: college believer to pro starter, and if that's successful, that

687
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 4: will definitely be a major feather in it.

688
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 3: I remember, I think from last year's draft, another believer

689
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 3: they're trying to make a start of their Brandon Banks,

690
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 3: who also had the same kind of crazy underlying pitch data.

691
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 3: So is there just a general and it could be no,

692
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 3: We're not looking for a glazed answer here. Like I

693
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 3: remember few yearsgo, we're talking about the fact that Mets

694
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 3: were putting so much into making this player development like

695
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 3: their machine that was going to push the organization forward.

696
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 3: And you've seen that. We've heard that top down now

697
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 3: for the last year, especially with the trade deadline, how

698
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 3: serious they were about building up the minor leagues and

699
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 3: not selling out these prospects this offseason. Does it feel

700
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 3: like they could be doing enough now to start putting

701
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 3: themselves in the conversations with some of these teams that

702
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 3: have these player development machines possible.

703
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 4: I know for certain they have integrated player development more

704
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 4: into the draft decision process, bringing PD into the room,

705
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,479
Speaker 4: so to speak, and identifying players, Yes, we can develop

706
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 4: this type of player, so let's draft this guy instead

707
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 4: of this guy because we think we can develop these attributes.

708
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 4: I know that's a big positive step they've taken lately,

709
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 4: and I would obviously expect things like that to continue

710
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 4: under David Stearns.

711
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 3: Is that something and not all organizations do. Sounds like

712
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 3: a nature.

713
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 4: It sounded like it was somewhat novel to the Mets,

714
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 4: like something introduced under Eppler and that scouting.

715
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: Department so well, concerning that player development wasn't involved in

716
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: the draft process before.

717
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 3: So here take some guys, enjoy what we didn't know

718
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 3: the draft was today. Otherwise, now bring it back to

719
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 3: the Mets system in general. Outside of the top ten,

720
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 3: are there any sleepers iness system players that you can

721
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 3: see getting into this top ten next year? Maybe even

722
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,479
Speaker 3: just touching, caressing kissing up against your top hundred as

723
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 3: it comes out, Who could be the riser in the system?

724
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 3: Who should fans be aware of heading into twenty twenty four.

725
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm excited to see what sprot and McLean can do.

726
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 4: I'm excited to see what Jeremy Rodriguez can do. The

727
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 4: Florida Complex League shortstop Haesu's Baiaz might be one who's

728
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 4: stepped on a little bit because he does have raw ability,

729
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 4: just had poor surface stats this year in twenty twenty three,

730
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 4: but he's someone who has the attributes to be an

731
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 4: impact power hitter in particular and played and stay on

732
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 4: the infield, probably at third base. He'd be one I'd

733
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 4: be watching as well. In addition to those other three.

734
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: I feel like Mets fans are clamoring for a big

735
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: trade and that would probably involve giving up some prospects.

736
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: And one of the names that I feel like we

737
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: talked about probably a lot the last time we spoke

738
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: was Alex Ramirez and someone that not really getting that

739
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: same kind of love that he was a couple of

740
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: seasons ago. What was the reason for that? Is it

741
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: just not really seeing that growth from him.

742
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 4: I think, you know, the defense, the arm, the speed

743
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 4: have all developed well, and when he's putting a maximum effort,

744
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 4: he's very strong in those categories. The hitting has always

745
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 4: been the potential stumbling block. He's got unusual swing mechanics,

746
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 4: so they're trying to find a balance between what he

747
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 4: wants to do and then we will work so there's

748
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 4: a level of comfort and production. The Mets didn't get

749
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 4: any production in twenty twenty three. You a bad year inha,

750
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 4: but you know he's got talent and if he takes

751
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 4: to the instruction, there's a chance he could have a

752
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 4: rebound season.

753
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 3: Does it act as some kind of organizational impediment to

754
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 3: have a high a team like the Mets have where

755
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 3: you just know that offense is going to be completely

756
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 3: suppressed and pitching is going to be something that's relatively

757
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 3: easy to come by.

758
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 4: A lot of the Northeast teams have that, where you

759
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 4: have these very power suppressing parks in the minor leagues,

760
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 4: especially the lower levels, and then it's the opposite for

761
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 4: a lot of the West teams, where it's a lot

762
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 4: of bombs away and the low levels. It's a strange setup.

763
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 4: I think it helps because they know it allows pitchers

764
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 4: to build confidence and hitters probably don't get into as

765
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 4: any bad habits as they would in like a former

766
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 4: friendly park. I think overall it's good.

767
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 3: Is there a world where these kind of power suppressing

768
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 3: environments on the East kind of become viewed similarly as

769
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 3: the power potent parks in the at West and the

770
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 3: PCL where we see a lot of teams, especially the Mariners,

771
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 3: just routinely have their pitchers completely skip triple A because

772
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 3: there's no nothing good to be done there is there

773
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 3: is that level too important high A to jump from

774
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 3: low way to Hya double A? Or is there a

775
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 3: world at some point where we start seeing teams move

776
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 3: their players from low way straight to double A to

777
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 3: avoid this kind of mental gymastics to players have to

778
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 3: go through. And they have nine homers in ninety games

779
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 3: when they used to have twenty.

780
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 4: Five, I don't think they would do that with high

781
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,800
Speaker 4: A just because it's an important step. I think because

782
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 4: the quality of play at low A has gotten worse. Rightly,

783
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 4: it's now more equivalent to what the Penn League used

784
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,240
Speaker 4: to be in terms of experience and ability and such.

785
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 4: But yeah, I think Triple A is going to continue

786
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 4: to be skipped with more regularity, similar to what the

787
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 4: Mariners did.

788
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 3: And then I think, just last question before I want

789
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:38,879
Speaker 3: to ask you like one or two things just about

790
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 3: other baseball stuff, dynasty baseball stuff, so people can tune

791
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 3: out for that at the end. But in terms of

792
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 3: the Mets system right now, very vaguely, very broadly, what

793
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,919
Speaker 3: would you say are the strongest positional groups in terms

794
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 3: of either ability to help the major leagues or just

795
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 3: in the system in general? And where would you say

796
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 3: the system right now has its biggest gaps.

797
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 4: Infield is definitely the strongest group for the Mets. It

798
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 4: seems to be a focus for them internationally as just

799
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 4: for a lot of teams and in the draft so so,

800
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 4: and that low way group is going to be very

801
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 4: interesting this year with Colin how Marco Vargas, has Baiez.

802
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 4: It's going to be a good group there weaknesses. Left

803
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 4: handed pitching has been a constant weakness for the system.

804
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 4: They don't really have a left hander of note right

805
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 4: now who's prospect eligible. I don't know if that was

806
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 4: a big thing with the Brewers, with win Stearns is

807
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 4: with the Brewers, if they were, I don't think they

808
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 4: overvalued left handers.

809
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,959
Speaker 1: I will say I feel like they were the team

810
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: more so than anybody would like take flyers on like

811
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: a Hoby Milner or like try out like pitchers like that,

812
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: and they tend to be left handed, and like they

813
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 1: loved Brent Sooner forever, and he's a guy who obviously,

814
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: like prospect wise, I'm sure wasn't very exciting because he

815
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 1: throws like eighty three. So probably I'm going to assume

816
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: that they didn't really value and they just kind of

817
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: stumbled into Josh Hater a little bit too.

818
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, Hater was part of a trade with the Astros.

819
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 4: I forget exactly, but yeah.

820
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 2: I think it was Carlos Gomez actually might depend.

821
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is that a piece of development that sometimes

822
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 3: it might take lefties a little longer, and rivies and

823
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 3: pitching even takes most guys longer than significally longer than

824
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 3: Hiss anyway, traditionally.

825
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 4: Yes, I think there's some truth to that, to that axiom,

826
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 4: maybe maybe less so than it used to be, just

827
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:12,439
Speaker 4: because it's it's more about fastball and breaking pitch rather

828
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 4: than having that dominant change up that used to be

829
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 4: the defining characteristic the left handed starter. It's more of

830
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 4: a field more more of a field pitch that might

831
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 4: take time to develop, but yeah.

832
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 3: You're talking about change up and that being the pitch

833
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 3: is actually reminded me of something else. Jose Bu though,

834
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 3: someone that I think we all privately have expressed some

835
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 3: optimism for as he he guys, he goes through the

836
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 3: minor league system, kind of gets up the major leagues,

837
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 3: gets his hard, goes back down, gets up, goes back down.

838
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 3: Now it gets up again and sees seems different do

839
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 3: we Is it just recency biased to believe that he

840
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 3: actually now has a little bit more ceiling and helium

841
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 3: that we ever thought, or is there tangible changes that

842
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 3: have happened with him?

843
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 4: That's yeah, He's another player who had that triple a

844
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 4: major league divide, A tough player to evaluate, but like

845
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 4: you're saying, the way he finished the year was very

846
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 4: encouraging that there's some role for him, you know. It's

847
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 4: it's it's hard to see it three times through the

848
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 4: lineup role based on his repertoire, but there is a

849
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 4: role for him who you know, and he showed what

850
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 4: he was capable of at his best in twenty twenty

851
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 4: three and the three.

852
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:10,879
Speaker 3: Times to the lineup thing. Mark and I've talked about

853
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 3: that a lot on the show last week, and I'm

854
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 3: probably going to talk about more going forward with the Brewers.

855
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 3: Took them a very long time to give young pitchers

856
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 3: the third time through the order we saw Freddie Peralta,

857
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 3: Brandon Wood raw Van Corbin Burns, three three guys who

858
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 3: can all be considered top fifteen pitchers now went healthy,

859
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 3: if not better. All take about a full year, if

860
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 3: not more in the case of especially Burns and Peralta,

861
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 3: to actually get that third time. Is that something that

862
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 3: you think is a positive for pictures in player development,

863
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 3: where like you can kind of bite off your trunks

864
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,439
Speaker 3: more slowly rather than just be simply thrown to the fire.

865
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 3: Is that just player by player, team by team?

866
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I love I love that approach. I think

867
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 4: there's a lot of merit to working pictures into a

868
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 4: role by having them take you long reliever. It used

869
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 4: to be called like it was kind of that. I mean,

870
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 4: it's a throwback approach that managers used to do it

871
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 4: all the time. You'd work in the young pitcher as

872
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 4: a reliever when he was a rookie and build up

873
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 4: his confidence, build up the stamina.

874
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 2: It worked for Chris Sale, didn't work for job A Chamberlain.

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Speaker 1: I remember that one specifically where they were like, Wow,

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Speaker 1: this guy's lights out reliever.

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Speaker 2: We have a dilemma here, let's make him a starter again.

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Speaker 2: And he was never the same.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, it seems like there's like now this in

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Speaker 1: between again of like understanding, like we're just going to

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Speaker 1: be trying to stretch these guys out and not really

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Speaker 1: mess with them as much.

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Speaker 3: It didn't work. Didn't work for Henry Miha either, but

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Speaker 3: we'll away. We'll always give the one a shot.

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Speaker 4: When you have one of my most regrettable number one rankings.

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Speaker 4: I think he was number one for us twice. It

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Speaker 4: speaks to the state of the system, though I'll use

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Speaker 4: that as my defense.

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Speaker 3: And Nelson I think it. Hendry, I got another question here,

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Speaker 3: But the Mets last year one of three teams in

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Speaker 3: the whole league not to throw a pitch over one

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Speaker 3: hundred miles an hour. Is there a flamethrower in the

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Speaker 3: system that is at least could be a major leaguer

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Speaker 3: at some point? Do they have a guy down there

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Speaker 3: who's like, oh, yeah, he's he's he's cooking with gas.

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Speaker 4: Raymon Gomez did touch one hundreds a right, and then

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Speaker 4: he had TJ so great, all right, well, but he

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Speaker 4: but he is a dude. He is a dude. He

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Speaker 4: has a prospect, so okay, we'll take it too. Hopefully,

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Speaker 4: hopefully we see him and flashes at the end of

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Speaker 4: the season, and hopefully it's stuff comes back.

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Speaker 1: Matt, you are a Mets fan, this is Mets Podcast,

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Speaker 1: and everybody's talking about this offseason is just it's either

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Speaker 1: the greatest offseason ever or it's a failure. There's no

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Speaker 1: in between. How are you feeling as a Mets fan

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Speaker 1: about it?

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Speaker 4: Okay, I like the discipline, like I like, frankly, the

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Speaker 4: new approach. You know, none of the contracts they signed

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Speaker 4: impacts them in the draft or you know, commits them

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Speaker 4: long term, so I think there's it gives them a

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Speaker 4: lot of flexibility. You guys have mentioned, and it's true

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Speaker 4: that the forty man with shallow so adding some forty

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Speaker 4: five and fifty great players as value and.

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Speaker 3: Just for people at home. Again, that's on the scausing

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Speaker 3: scale of twenty to eighty, So once you get to fifty,

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Speaker 3: that's like you're a trusted regular, but you're not spectacular.

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Speaker 3: Forty five is more of a tweener platooner, and the

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Speaker 3: that's just again something lacked a lot of these guys

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Speaker 3: on the upper levels of the miners and the fringe

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Speaker 3: of their roster.

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Speaker 4: But like that lineup trade deadline last year was yeah,

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Speaker 4: it was an indictment on the organization's depth. So this

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Speaker 4: is this helps address that line.

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Speaker 3: Up in the end, the bullpen between Raphael Ortega and

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Speaker 3: pulling in a guy like Phil bick Fer. It's just

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Speaker 3: it was a lot. Yeah, Trevor gott Trevor got nothing,

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Speaker 3: but actually Trevor got actually had wildly good results the

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Speaker 3: second half of the year. But just it looked, it

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Speaker 3: didn't look pretty. It was just a lot of color

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Speaker 3: sinkers and fastballs, which again it's just it's bizarre that

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Speaker 3: this team, with all they've they had invested the last

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Speaker 3: few years, like could totally lacked in triple A. And

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Speaker 3: if you felt that and then you're like, oh that

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Speaker 3: was really obvious.

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Speaker 4: Yes, but the one one silver lining is that DJ

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Speaker 4: Stewart might be a keeper.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we love Dj the tch strew This is a keeper.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm in a Best Ball draft right now,

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Speaker 3: my first one. I'm like, I'm he's so circled in

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Speaker 3: like the thirty fifth round, Like I can't wait. I

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Speaker 3: can't wait to take him and be able to throw

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Speaker 3: him into one of my three utility spots. But I

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Speaker 3: want to ask you quick last couple two minutes here. No,

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Speaker 3: Matt's an avid player, dynasty player, wearing a couple of

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Speaker 3: dynasty leagues together where he finishes much higher than me

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Speaker 3: usually in the standings. But this year, time of year

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Speaker 3: is the FYPD drafts. That's the first year player. So

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Speaker 3: your dynasty leagues where you go back through last year's

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Speaker 3: draft international class. It's very top heavy this year, between Langford, Cruz,

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Speaker 3: Yoshobiamo though, and even maybe someone like Max Clark, who

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Speaker 3: I think is kind of wedging himself into that top discussion.

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Speaker 3: But outside of those very obvious blue Chippers, is there

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Speaker 3: a player that seems like they could be a guy

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Speaker 3: becomes like a top twenty twenty five prospect in the

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Speaker 3: near future.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Jenkins is the obvious one, the super talented, tooled

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Speaker 4: out North Carolina prep outfielder, great swing, good, good physicality.

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Speaker 4: I like him, and I like Mariners shortstop Cole Emerson.

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Speaker 2: Cole Emerson. Yeah, I know the Marriagers had a fantastic draft.

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Speaker 4: Yeah they did. If you're looking upside those would be

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Speaker 4: my two favorites.

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Speaker 3: I love Cole Young last year too. He has insane

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Speaker 3: results in his first professional year. He's like Walks Sam

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Speaker 3: Walks the strikeouts.

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Speaker 4: He's good too. But the way that Scott You're talking

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Speaker 4: about Emerson is that a tier higher than Young, so

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Speaker 4: I'm really interested in him.

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Speaker 1: Good to know from the card side as well for

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Speaker 1: me and on it all over, Colt Everson there, Matt,

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Speaker 1: as always, thank you so much for coming on the podcast,

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Speaker 1: the first three time guest of the met Stub podcast.

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Speaker 1: Glad to have you back, Glad to be able to

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Speaker 1: talk some prospects with you. Let everybody at home know

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Speaker 1: where they can find your stuff as well as plugin

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Speaker 1: Baseball America.

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Speaker 4: At baseball America dot com. I'm on x Twitter at

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Speaker 4: matt EDDIEBA great.

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Speaker 3: Thanks so much, Matt, appreciate it as always, and thank

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Speaker 3: you for see us soon.

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Speaker 4: Thanks guys,