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Speaker 1: Our guest is full of rich music history. He's a

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Speaker 1: singer songwriter who topped the charts on both sides of

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Speaker 1: the Atlantic. His music has been covered by a range

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Speaker 1: of musicians from Morrissey to the Pet Shop Boys. He's

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Speaker 1: embarking on a US tour which is going to take

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Speaker 1: him to city wineries across the country, including Boston on

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Speaker 1: March the eleventh. Welcome Gilbert O'Sullivan had Taken a Walk well, Gilbert,

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Speaker 1: congrats on the upcoming tour, which includes Boston on March

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Speaker 1: eleventh at City Winery and also works its way across

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Speaker 1: the US to other city wineries. New York on March twelfth,

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia March fifteenth, Saint Louis, Chicago, Atlanta, Nashville. It sounds

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Speaker 1: like we're riding on a train, Gilbert, with all these stops,

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Speaker 1: but congrats on the tour. Thank you. Normally, what we

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Speaker 1: would be doing we were doing the North all the

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Speaker 1: venues places you've mentioned, and then we would be going

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Speaker 1: to the West Coast. But this time we're coming back

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Speaker 1: Coast in October. I think, so we're kind of spreading

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Speaker 1: them up. But I'm really looking forward to this, And

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Speaker 1: I mean it was two years ago that we first.

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Speaker 1: the gap with COVID last year. The beginning of last

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Speaker 1: to it. So paint the picture. You're in the Channel

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Speaker 1: Islands in Jersey. Correct. Correct. It's a small island, only

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Speaker 1: nine miles about six miles, but it's only half an

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Speaker 1: hour by playing to London. It's fifty minutes by boat

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Speaker 1: to France. So it's a beautiful island. It's very healthy,

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Speaker 1: good environment, healthy air. My speech is around by nice speeches.

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Speaker 1: The weather is slightly warmer than the UK, A good place.

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Speaker 1: It's been very productive for me in terms of songwriting,

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Speaker 1: and of course it's been very good for my family

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Speaker 1: with their two daughters school their education. When you moved there,

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Speaker 1: I think as you were maybe trying to convince some

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Speaker 1: not the person who throws televisions out the window, and

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Speaker 1: you lead a calm existence. Is that correct? Well, here's

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Speaker 1: the thing. To get into Jersey, the weird thing about

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Speaker 1: authiest person in the world, but if he doesn't like you,

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Speaker 1: or if he finds something wrong about you, you don't

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Speaker 1: for me, when I met this economic advisor, they never

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Speaker 1: to write. The big influences were Lennon McCartney for songwriting,

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Speaker 1: probably understand where that influence was going. Now, did you

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Speaker 1: my admiration for a lot of people with him of course,

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Speaker 1: see Bob Dylan. No. I think the lightlihood of that

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Speaker 1: early Bob Dylan, loved him. But when you were young too,

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Speaker 1: you had had some loss in your in your life

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Speaker 1: been some some other challenges you face. So music really

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Speaker 1: She has good memories of my father. I have very few,

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Speaker 1: if any memories of my father, which I did regret.

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Speaker 1: I kind of regret that because I know my dad

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Speaker 1: course I would have gladly done. But the other issues,

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Speaker 1: in terms of throughout my career, the legal issues and stuff,

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Speaker 1: I'm one of those people that I don't need you

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Speaker 1: It's nice when you do that now, but I'm not

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Speaker 1: dependent on you doing that. In other words, you have

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Speaker 1: And that's the danger thing if you depend on others

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Speaker 1: That's my philosophy. Well, as far as the legal challenge

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Speaker 1: fantastic and stuff. So those are those are some of

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Speaker 1: the records I would take with you. But where's the

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Speaker 1: record player? Right, We didn't answer that part of the question.

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Speaker 1: But that's a pretty good collection, Gilbert, that you with you. Well,

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Speaker 1: we're allowed to bring one item to the auland what

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Speaker 1: would that one item be? Micids would be a portal

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Speaker 1: We still love that in the radio, so you know,

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Speaker 1: whole day here because the radio is the most important

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Speaker 1: thing to hear new music. That's how you get into

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Speaker 1: the first time. So I would have I would a

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Speaker 1: little wind up radio would be my luxury. Gilbert defines

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Speaker 1: success for me, Well, it's I think, as I mentioned earlier.

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Speaker 1: It's set out really quite categorically that I write songs

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Speaker 1: and get it recorded and get a record. I'd be

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Speaker 1: interested I achieve that, and then I want to get released.

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Speaker 1: I achieve that, and then it sells. But I'm not

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Speaker 1: looking to sell. I'm not saying it must sell this.

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Speaker 1: It's not about that to begin with. It's just about

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Speaker 1: the joy of having a record that you've written, that

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Speaker 1: you've made, you can hold in your hand. There's something

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Speaker 1: very special about that. So that, for me determines pretty

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Speaker 1: much what success is. Good. Bro, what a joy it's

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Speaker 1: been talking to you. I wish you well on the

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Speaker 1: upcoming tour. You're playing at an amazing series of venues

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Speaker 1: in the city Wineries. I know you'll have a blast,

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Speaker 1: and I know your fans will have a blast. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for being on. It's a pleasure, Buzz

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Speaker 1: nice good talking to you as well. Taking a Walk

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Speaker 1: with Buzznight is available on Spotify, Apple podcast, or wherever

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