WEBVTT - Dr. Nico Darras

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<v Speaker 1>It's the Son of a Butch podcast. We come to

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<v Speaker 1>you every Wednesday. My guest today Nico Daris Blueprint golf

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<v Speaker 1>blueprint dot Com. Talk to me about what that is.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll get into your background, because I think the background

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<v Speaker 1>you've got coming into golf as a sport is very different.

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<v Speaker 1>But golf blueprint dot Com, what is it and why

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<v Speaker 1>is it?

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<v Speaker 2>So? Great question? First of all, thanks for having me on.

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<v Speaker 2>Appreciate you, longtime listener, first time, first time being here.

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<v Speaker 2>And as I was driving up here, I was thinking

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<v Speaker 2>about what is golf Blueprint? So Golf Blueprint is really

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<v Speaker 2>the ethos of my golf journey, of the relentless pursuit

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<v Speaker 2>of better and me needing to get better in a

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<v Speaker 2>short amount of time. Like you said, I didn't come

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<v Speaker 2>to golf in a traditional way, and Golf Blueprint was

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<v Speaker 2>the journey of how I went from having never played

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<v Speaker 2>golf at twenty three to now at thirty working in

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<v Speaker 2>golf and journey along the way of my education and

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<v Speaker 2>my background and creating dialed in practice plans because some

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<v Speaker 2>days I only had thirty minutes, some days I had

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<v Speaker 2>thirty five minutes, some days I had forty minutes and

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<v Speaker 2>I needed to get better to close the gap on

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<v Speaker 2>the people that I was playing against in a really

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<v Speaker 2>short amount of time. And I couldn't do that traditionally

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<v Speaker 2>through lessons. I didn't you know, I didn't have the time,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't have the resources to do that at that time.

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<v Speaker 2>So I needed to find an academic way that I

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<v Speaker 2>could marry what I was doing in school with what

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<v Speaker 2>I was doing on the golf course.

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<v Speaker 1>Your background, like you said, you're not a golfer. Talk

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<v Speaker 1>to me about your background. You were a baseball player,

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to be a professional baseball player, got to which

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<v Speaker 1>level of professional baseball?

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<v Speaker 2>So growing up as a kid, when I was I

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<v Speaker 2>was in preschool and my mom told me this story

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<v Speaker 2>the other day that every picture of me as a

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<v Speaker 2>child was in a baseball uniform. And one of the

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<v Speaker 2>not so nice moms came up to my mom and said,

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<v Speaker 2>why do you insist on dressing your son in a

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<v Speaker 2>baseball uniform every single day for school? And to her,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, horrified self, she goes, do you think I

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<v Speaker 2>want my preschooler to wear nothing but a baseball uniform?

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<v Speaker 2>So when I was a kid, it was all I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to do. To quote card Ale Jones of Ohio

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<v Speaker 2>State football. You know, we didn't come here to play school.

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<v Speaker 2>That was very much my mentality as a kid. I

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<v Speaker 2>just wanted to play baseball every day, all day. That's

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<v Speaker 2>all I wanted to do from the time I was

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<v Speaker 2>two years old, and ultimately it was a pretty good

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<v Speaker 2>player in high school, got recruited all over, got my

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<v Speaker 2>pick of the school. I was very fortunate and ended

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<v Speaker 2>up going to University Connecticut my last three years. Got

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<v Speaker 2>hurt right before the Big League Draft. Blew out my

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<v Speaker 2>rotator cuff, my laborum, and my lat and that ended it.

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<v Speaker 2>And so one day, you know, at twenty two, everything

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<v Speaker 2>I had worked for for the first twenty two years,

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<v Speaker 2>my life was gone, taken away and I needed to

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<v Speaker 2>start over.

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<v Speaker 1>That's I mean, I think so many people have. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>when you look at athletes in general, and you look

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<v Speaker 1>at the people that make it and that are on TV,

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<v Speaker 1>that doing all these great things that are everybody's heroes,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there are just so many people that have

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<v Speaker 1>tried to have a career in professional sports at any level,

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<v Speaker 1>and there are so many people that injury causes so

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<v Speaker 1>many careers to just get derailed. Yeah, and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think that people realize, you know, not only in golf,

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<v Speaker 1>but in every sport. To be great, to have a

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<v Speaker 1>very long career, there is an element of just dumb

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<v Speaker 1>luck that you just don't get hurt. Sure you just

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<v Speaker 1>weren't you know. Tom Brady's a great example. Tom Brady

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<v Speaker 1>never really had any major issue injuries. Roger Federer never

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<v Speaker 1>really had any major major injury issues. You know, Tiger

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<v Speaker 1>Woods really throughout the majority of the early part of

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<v Speaker 1>his career, the Big Tiger Roun my Dad era, the

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<v Speaker 1>Hank Haney era, there were never any injuries. He just

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<v Speaker 1>basically was able to just play injury free. Why golf

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<v Speaker 1>and why did you pick up golf Because a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of ex athletes are just obsessed with golf. I've had

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<v Speaker 1>them on the pod before. They you know, they're they're junkies. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>why do you think that is?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my golf story is very unique, and I'll give

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<v Speaker 2>you a funny story to start. So, my family had

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<v Speaker 2>just moved to Hawaii. I was twenty two, depressed, heartbroken,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, my life is over. And we move in

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<v Speaker 2>and our golf course had a community. Now my sister

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<v Speaker 2>had played college golf, so my sister was fifteen. She

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<v Speaker 2>had never played college, she had never played golf before,

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<v Speaker 2>and she went one day to the driving range met

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<v Speaker 2>a coach and this coach said to my dad, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>this girl's pretty good, and my dad was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>you know how good is good. Well, they end up

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<v Speaker 2>pulling her out of high school and she had a

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<v Speaker 2>college scholarship two years later. So at that time, I

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<v Speaker 2>had I'd been to the golf course. I've watched her

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<v Speaker 2>play golf. I wasn't playing golf. Baseball players at that time.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it'll mes of your swing, that kind of deal.

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<v Speaker 2>So I had probably played at that to that point,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe nine holes in my life. So we're in Hawaii.

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<v Speaker 2>I sign up for this nine hole scramble and I

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<v Speaker 2>get paired with i'd Loane, denounced later the biggest jerk

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<v Speaker 2>in the club because no one else wanted to play

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<v Speaker 2>with him. They stuck me with him because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>here's this new guy who doesn't know any better. So

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<v Speaker 2>we played nine holes. This guy's smoking cigarettes in my face,

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<v Speaker 2>just ripping me. You know, I hit balls out of bounds,

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<v Speaker 2>I topped him. I did this, and the whole time

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<v Speaker 2>he's telling me about this. You know club championship that

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to play in and he's the member guest champion.

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<v Speaker 2>So I call my best friend at the time, who

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<v Speaker 2>played college golf, and I said, hey, there's three months

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<v Speaker 2>until this guy's important member guest. You're gonna teach me

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<v Speaker 2>how to play golf and we're gonna win. And he

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<v Speaker 2>for seas ago. Okay, buddy. So I'm working valet at

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<v Speaker 2>the time, and if I wasn't valeting, I was hitting balls.

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<v Speaker 2>I probably hit you know, five hundred ball, who knows

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<v Speaker 2>how many balls a day. And three months later I

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<v Speaker 2>shot seventy nine in that member guest and we ended

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<v Speaker 2>up beating the guy and it just got hooked and

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<v Speaker 2>that pro laughed. He goes, maybe I should pair him

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<v Speaker 2>with every new golfer, you know, maybe that's what fifth

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<v Speaker 2>people need to do to get motivated to learn. But

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<v Speaker 2>I just I fell in love with the process of

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<v Speaker 2>getting better and it gave me an opportunity to improve

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<v Speaker 2>at something every day. That was my favorite part about baseball,

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<v Speaker 2>and I have that in golf now.

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<v Speaker 1>You also, your background from an education background is to

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<v Speaker 1>me a big part of what golf blueprint became.

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<v Speaker 2>Totally totally so as I said. As a kid, something

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people don't know about me. I had

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<v Speaker 2>pretty severe learning disabilities in school, so I skipped the

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<v Speaker 2>third grade. I went from the second grade to the

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<v Speaker 2>fourth grade. At the time, there was an edd which

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<v Speaker 2>is what my doctorate is now in education. Funny how

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<v Speaker 2>life comes full circle. I was pretty advanced and they

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<v Speaker 2>said you should skip him ahead. Well, what we now know,

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<v Speaker 2>you know twenty years later, is that third grade is

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<v Speaker 2>where you learn sentence structure and mathematics, and the basic

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<v Speaker 2>building blocks of school is third grade. So today I

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<v Speaker 2>struggle with math. I struggle with sentence structure, basic things

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<v Speaker 2>like that that created a lifetime of difficulty in school.

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<v Speaker 2>High school was so hard for me because I could

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<v Speaker 2>get the math answer, I didn't know how to prove

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<v Speaker 2>the answer. I didn't know how to get to there.

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<v Speaker 2>I could write beautiful sentences, but I didn't know what

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<v Speaker 2>an adverb was because I never learned it. I had

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<v Speaker 2>to learn multiplication and division in a weekend when I

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<v Speaker 2>went from second to fourth grade, and it really created

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<v Speaker 2>a challenging high school and undergrad experience for me, where

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<v Speaker 2>I just really had a tough time getting through the

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<v Speaker 2>basic classes and I wasn't that interesting, souse. I just

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<v Speaker 2>want to play baseball. But luckily for me, I have

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<v Speaker 2>wonderful parents. My mom told me she goes go to class,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to go to class. So for any student

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<v Speaker 2>athletes that are listening out there, dude, I showed up

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<v Speaker 2>to the eight am geography class when no one was there.

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<v Speaker 2>Did I learn anything? No, But you know what I learned.

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<v Speaker 2>I learned how to show up. I learned how to grind.

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<v Speaker 2>I learned how to do something that you don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to do every single day. And then after baseball ended,

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't quite sure what I was going to do.

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<v Speaker 2>My father's a lawyer. I thought maybe I'll go to

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<v Speaker 2>law school. You know, he's a successful lawyer. And as

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<v Speaker 2>I was looking around for classes, I found a program

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<v Speaker 2>called Social Innovation from the University of San Diego. And

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<v Speaker 2>for those of you who don't know what it is

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<v Speaker 2>at home, it's essentially creative problem solving. Think Google Think.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of people from our program went to the

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<v Speaker 2>three letter government agencies, CIA, FBI, things like that. I

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<v Speaker 2>went down that road for a little while, got recruited,

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<v Speaker 2>and ultimately it wasn't for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Ryan Chrysler, who was on the pod last week. Who

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<v Speaker 1>works for me? He he did the he was trying

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<v Speaker 1>to be an FBI agent.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, So I'm sure we got to talk. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure you know, off camera about it. And it was fun.

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<v Speaker 2>I enjoyed the process. But that's what a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>the people in that program went to. Creative problem solving.

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<v Speaker 2>And while that time I was I was so right

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<v Speaker 2>around the same time about my master's, I learned golf.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was living in San Diego. Shout out to

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<v Speaker 2>the San Diego Country Club boys. I'm sure they're listening.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a group of high school kids there at

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<v Speaker 2>the time that were some of the best juniors in

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<v Speaker 2>the country, and I ended up becoming a pseudo mentor

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<v Speaker 2>to them, and in exchange, they essentially taught me golf.

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<v Speaker 2>And so every single day we would play golf after

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<v Speaker 2>they get out of school and I'd be done with

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<v Speaker 2>my classes. And it was amazing getting to watch them

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<v Speaker 2>play because they didn't have the fear of the adults.

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<v Speaker 2>They played creatively, they played, they tried shots, they hit shots.

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<v Speaker 2>I tried to swing as hard as I could for

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<v Speaker 2>like two years. No one laughed at me because when

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<v Speaker 2>you were with children and children don't have that same

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<v Speaker 2>level of you know world lea, I guess anxiety and

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<v Speaker 2>now they're all playing Division one and they're all, you know, studs.

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<v Speaker 2>But right around that same time started playing golf and

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<v Speaker 2>then to get into my doctorate. My doctorate is an education.

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<v Speaker 2>I studied specifically learning theory and how people can optimize

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<v Speaker 2>what they're doing through their learning.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's where I think so many people. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's something I talk about on the podcast all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>I think everybody believes that the way they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>get better at playing golf is just to hit more

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<v Speaker 1>golf balls, to go to the driving range, to put

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<v Speaker 1>the time in to work on your technique. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>something that I talk about and I think it's one

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<v Speaker 1>of the reasons why you and I connected. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>Dave Phillips was like, You've got to meet Nico because

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<v Speaker 1>you guys talk about the same stuff, this balance between

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<v Speaker 1>technique versus execution. And I say this all the time

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<v Speaker 1>every competitive golfer. And we'll get to the work that

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<v Speaker 1>you do with John Rahm. John Ram's trying to make

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<v Speaker 1>his golf swing better. Rory McElroy is trying to make

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<v Speaker 1>his golf swing. Everybody that plays competitive golf is trying

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<v Speaker 1>to improve their technique, but there is so much more

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<v Speaker 1>to getting better than just standing on a driving range

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<v Speaker 1>and hitting golf balls. Because I think there's also a

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<v Speaker 1>rate in my opinion, of diminishing return in that too.

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<v Speaker 1>You will get to it. I think you can overpractice totally.

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<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of junior golfers that I see

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<v Speaker 1>who's parents come, they're overpracticed. Yeah, all they do is practice,

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<v Speaker 1>They don't fundamentally play the game. And did you notice

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<v Speaker 1>that coming? I think also you coming from a baseball

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<v Speaker 1>background and getting into golf and watching how competitive baseball

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<v Speaker 1>is practiced versus how competitive golf is practiced. I've heard

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<v Speaker 1>you say this before. There's no other competitive sport in

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<v Speaker 1>the world that has the approach that golf has.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, and you said a lot of important things there,

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<v Speaker 2>specifically about overpracticing. So many people are overpracticing, spending eight

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<v Speaker 2>hours a day. You know, we always laugh, you and

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<v Speaker 2>I laugh, and we'll see the posts online about our

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<v Speaker 2>guys schedules where they wake up at five point thirty

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<v Speaker 2>and they're running, you know, six miles and they put

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<v Speaker 2>for three hours.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not Real's you that's all. That is all Instagram bullshit, right,

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<v Speaker 1>That is a get ready with Me video of a

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<v Speaker 1>day in the life. And all the golf influencers out

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<v Speaker 1>there are really good at portraying this life that Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>they wake up, they go to the gym, they do

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<v Speaker 1>all this stuff. But you talk to real competitive golfers,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't do any of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, their dads, their their husbands, their fathers, their friends,

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<v Speaker 2>they have lives. They do things right.

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<v Speaker 1>But also they compartmentalize their practice. I mean, I was

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<v Speaker 1>around Tiger for the glory days of the Tiger and Butchierra, right,

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't hit golf balls for eight hours a day. Really,

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<v Speaker 1>we weren't at the golf course till dark. There were

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<v Speaker 1>days where we would hit balls and stuff. But Tiger

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<v Speaker 1>had a much more balanced life. Did he practice a lot, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>did he work hard? Obviously he worked hard, But he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't stand and hit golf balls for eight hours a day.

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<v Speaker 2>He just didn't do that makes sense. Working hard is

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<v Speaker 2>a really interesting word because because what is hard work

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<v Speaker 2>is hard work standing there in the heat hitting balls

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<v Speaker 2>for eight hours a day. Is it putting for three

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<v Speaker 2>hours a day? I don't think it is I'm trying

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<v Speaker 2>to get our guys to work smarter the same as

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<v Speaker 2>your guys are where they're taking. The nice thing is, now,

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<v Speaker 2>with statistics and data, we can look at what you're

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<v Speaker 2>good at, what you struggle at, what you need work in,

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<v Speaker 2>and we can emphasize the areas that you're great at

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<v Speaker 2>to make you better at what you're already great at.

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<v Speaker 1>Because most golfers tend to practice what they're good at. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>that's all they work off. Sure, So if you're a

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<v Speaker 1>great driver of the golf ball, if you're a junior

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<v Speaker 1>golfer and you're a good driver of the golf ball,

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<v Speaker 1>you're a stand on the driving range and hit tons

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<v Speaker 1>of drive, watch me, because it gives you a tremendous

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<v Speaker 1>amount of validation. You feel good about the skill that

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<v Speaker 1>you've got. You're able to peacock and show off. People

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<v Speaker 1>watch you, and you get external validation for being a

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<v Speaker 1>great driver of the golf ball. If someone's got a

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<v Speaker 1>great short game, if someone's a great potter, whatever that

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<v Speaker 1>skill is, most people just overpractice the skill that they've

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<v Speaker 1>got totally.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's okay, and some people, some people should do

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<v Speaker 2>that in the beginning, especially as a beginner. If I

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<v Speaker 2>was going to if I was going to say, someone

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<v Speaker 2>who's a beginner golfer, or.

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<v Speaker 1>You're trying to break a hundred for the first time.

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<v Speaker 2>Perfect example, if you're trying to break one hundred for

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<v Speaker 2>the first time. I had this conversation last night with

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<v Speaker 2>another young pro and I said, there's no player in

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<v Speaker 2>the country who's a good driver of the ball that's

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<v Speaker 2>an eighteen handicap. Can't happen. Can't happen. A good driver

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<v Speaker 2>of the ball will hit the ball in play, they

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<v Speaker 2>will consistently score. And so, like you said, if you're

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<v Speaker 2>trying to bring.

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<v Speaker 1>You good driver of the golf ball, you're an eighteen handicap,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't ever need to hit a driver in practice.

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<v Speaker 1>You need to find a potty green. You need to

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<v Speaker 1>find a short game.

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<v Speaker 2>Area, something something good, lord, something else to where to

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<v Speaker 2>where you can raise your game. But at the highest levels,

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<v Speaker 2>the thing that I think that people need to understand

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<v Speaker 2>is you and I work at the highest levels of

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<v Speaker 2>professional golf. They're shaving margins, right, We're looking for a

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<v Speaker 2>quarter of a shot here. We're looking to take sand

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<v Speaker 2>game from fifty seven percent to sixty three percent, or

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<v Speaker 2>you know, gir to seventy two percent. The amateur player

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<v Speaker 2>is playing such a different game that they can make

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<v Speaker 2>such great leaps by practicing smarter.

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<v Speaker 1>How did that come about? And what is it that

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<v Speaker 2>Sure? So, first of all, shout out to Dave Right.

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<v Speaker 2>You and I both love.

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<v Speaker 1>Dave ay Phillips, who who's a friend of the Pod.

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<v Speaker 1>We've had them on many times.

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<v Speaker 2>Dave Phillips is the greatest and I owe so much

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<v Speaker 2>of my golf journey to Dave. Dave called me up

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<v Speaker 2>out of the blue one day. We met through a

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<v Speaker 2>mutual friend and he said, Hey, I'd love you to

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<v Speaker 2>come work with some of my guys. Dave has an

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<v Speaker 2>incredible team of not only John Rahm, but David Pooge

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<v Speaker 2>on Live, Cameron Trengali on Live, Alejandro del Rey on

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<v Speaker 2>dep World, and Max Rotliffe as well, and it's just

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<v Speaker 2>such a pleasure to work with Dave, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we met through Dave and I think the thing that

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate the most about you and Dave with my

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<v Speaker 2>work and it ties in is you're both creatives who

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<v Speaker 2>are willing to look at things from a different perspective.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I don't come from golf, I look at it.

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<v Speaker 1>Which I think is a massive, massive strength because I

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<v Speaker 1>do think occasionally if you just are in the golf

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<v Speaker 1>centric world, I would say in the last you're in

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<v Speaker 1>meeting Greg Rose and Dave Phillips. You know I met

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<v Speaker 1>them in two thousand and four, but I'd really say, Nico,

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<v Speaker 1>in the last ten years, people ask me all the time, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>what books are you're reading, what podcast you're reading? What

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<v Speaker 1>you know? Talk to you a lot. The majority of it,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say now is non golf related. It's coming

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<v Speaker 1>from outside of the golf world. Do I spend time

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<v Speaker 1>talking to golf instructor, sure, I mean we have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of time on tour where I'm lucky when I

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<v Speaker 1>was on the PGA tour and now my guys they

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<v Speaker 1>have gone to live, but we have a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>time and downtime to where we're waiting for players. Players

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<v Speaker 1>are doing other things. So I'm able to sit with

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<v Speaker 1>Boyd Summer Hayes and talk about golf, talk about what

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<v Speaker 1>he's working on with his kids, what he's working on

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<v Speaker 1>with Tony Finow, what he's working on with Taylor Goot.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm able to stand and pick these guys' brains. Mike Walker,

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<v Speaker 1>who's been on the podcast, I'm able to sit and

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<v Speaker 1>talk to him about Hey, talk to me about the

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that you and fits are working on. But i

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<v Speaker 1>think the majority of my influences in the last decade

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<v Speaker 1>have been non golf related. They've been other coaches from

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<v Speaker 1>other sports. And I'm always fascinated at the approach that

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<v Speaker 1>the team sport concept has versus the individual concept, because

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<v Speaker 1>I find it really interesting as a coach that you'll

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<v Speaker 1>be working with a player and let's say they're a

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<v Speaker 1>junior golfer, and we've all most people that play golf

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<v Speaker 1>have played other some sort of team sport at some point, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm always fascinated that you can be working with

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<v Speaker 1>a player, Let's say you're working on hitting a draw

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<v Speaker 1>and they're hitting you know, you're trying to get them

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<v Speaker 1>to get the path right to left. You're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get the ball to start to the right and curve

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<v Speaker 1>to the right. And if they're struggling, I always say, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>do you understand the concept right? Do you understand what

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<v Speaker 1>we're trying to get you to do as a player.

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<v Speaker 1>So tell me what we're working on. Tell me all

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<v Speaker 1>of the things that we need to do to execute this.

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<v Speaker 1>Show me the mimic. Let's go through it in slow motion.

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<v Speaker 1>But you'll watch a player hit two, three, four balls

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<v Speaker 1>completely sideways, almost doing the exact opposite of what they

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<v Speaker 1>know they're supposed to do what they've been practicing. If

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<v Speaker 1>that's a team sport, the coach immediately says, can we

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<v Speaker 1>get someone in here. If you're a wide receiver and

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<v Speaker 1>you go and you ken't dropping the ball, they will

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<v Speaker 1>pull you out of practice in a heartbeat. And what

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<v Speaker 1>you don't do in team sports is you don't go

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<v Speaker 1>to another practice area and work on catching. You sit

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<v Speaker 1>on the bench and watch someone else and there's people

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<v Speaker 1>fighting to take your spot, and then eventually the coach

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<v Speaker 1>will come to you and say, okay, do you want

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<v Speaker 1>to get back in the game and do your job

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<v Speaker 1>the way that we have taught you to do it,

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<v Speaker 1>and the way that we have practiced to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Somehow in team sports, through no external other practicing, you

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<v Speaker 1>figure that shit out real quick and you go execute

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<v Speaker 1>what you've practiced. Why do you think it's so hard

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<v Speaker 1>for golfers to find that execution part of it? Because

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<v Speaker 1>my theory is they just spend all their time hitting

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<v Speaker 1>golf balls. Yeah, they just that's it. Yeah, and the

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<v Speaker 1>test for them to see if anything works is going

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<v Speaker 1>out and playing the game. There's and we've talked about it,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no other sport in the world where they do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, basketball is a great example where if you think

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<v Speaker 2>about shooting free throws, shooting free throws are a huge

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<v Speaker 2>part of basketball, and it's a part of the game.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you and I went out and we were

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<v Speaker 2>trying to get better at the game, we wouldn't shoot

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<v Speaker 2>free throws and say I.

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<v Speaker 1>Worked on basketball eight hours.

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<v Speaker 2>You would play basketball because you have to dribble, rebound, shoot,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, pass and one.

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<v Speaker 1>Point defense, do all the things that the game. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think so many people forget that golf is a game.

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<v Speaker 1>And I say this all the time on the pod.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a game. Because they get they First of all,

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<v Speaker 1>they tell you what the rules are, and then they

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<v Speaker 1>give you a scorecard, and they tell you what the

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<v Speaker 1>object of the game. Yes, right, this is not golf,

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<v Speaker 1>is not equestrian or figure skating. It's not gymnastics. And

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<v Speaker 1>I say this all the time. If golf was being

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<v Speaker 1>judged on your technique, Nellie Corda would win it a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of times. He's got a great looking golf perfect

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<v Speaker 1>Adam Scott, the classic golf swingers would win because the

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<v Speaker 1>judges would look at the aesthetics of what it looks

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<v Speaker 1>like and say their golf swing looks the best. But

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<v Speaker 1>John Rahm doesn't have a classic looking golf swing. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't have a golf swing that anyone is really

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<v Speaker 1>coaching or teaching. No one's saying, hey, do what John

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<v Speaker 1>Rahm does, because John Rahm is very easy. Unicornton Johnson

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<v Speaker 1>is a unicorn. Colin Montgomery, Freddie Couples, all of these

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<v Speaker 1>great unique golfers were somewhat unicorns. They had techniques that

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<v Speaker 1>you don't teach. Sure, And so from an execution standpoint,

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<v Speaker 1>you get a call from Dave Phillips to have an

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity to work with someone like John Rahm. For you,

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<v Speaker 1>that's got to be like, Okay, wow, this is a

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<v Speaker 1>unique opportunity. Absolutely, And let's be honest. It's always that

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<v Speaker 1>thing to where Okay, how can I help a player? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that is already a great player.

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<v Speaker 2>So good. So the thing with Johnny that we always

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<v Speaker 2>laugh about is his a He's unbelievable. Right, let's just

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<v Speaker 2>start from that. The dude does everything well. When you

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<v Speaker 2>look at his numbers, there's no flaws, there's no gaps,

0:23:46.080 --> 0:23:46.800
<v Speaker 2>there's no holes.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys say this all the time. I don't know

0:23:51.040 --> 0:23:55.840
<v Speaker 1>guys like him, Guys like Rory McElroy. You wonder how

0:23:55.880 --> 0:24:01.320
<v Speaker 1>they don't win every single week with the toolbox sure

0:24:01.880 --> 0:24:05.360
<v Speaker 1>that they have. Sure with all of the things that

0:24:05.520 --> 0:24:08.240
<v Speaker 1>they can pull out of their toolbox, there isn't a

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<v Speaker 1>situation that John Rahm or someone like Rory McElroy is

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<v Speaker 1>going to get into to where they don't have an

0:24:15.760 --> 0:24:18.040
<v Speaker 1>arrow to pull out. Sure they've got that in.

0:24:18.080 --> 0:24:21.639
<v Speaker 2>There are always the ACEP this sleeve and getting to

0:24:21.640 --> 0:24:24.120
<v Speaker 2>work with Dave and the team, Spencer Tatum who runs

0:24:24.200 --> 0:24:26.800
<v Speaker 2>THHP and his whole team has been such a joy.

0:24:27.160 --> 0:24:29.280
<v Speaker 2>And getting to learn what it's like from the best

0:24:29.280 --> 0:24:31.520
<v Speaker 2>in the world. And I think the thing that you

0:24:31.560 --> 0:24:34.960
<v Speaker 2>said circling back to where do I learn from? The

0:24:35.000 --> 0:24:37.720
<v Speaker 2>best advice I ever got was from my business partner,

0:24:37.720 --> 0:24:40.520
<v Speaker 2>doctor Kevin Moore. He's a professor of mathematics. And about

0:24:40.600 --> 0:24:42.960
<v Speaker 2>three years into my golf journey, I started playing mini

0:24:43.000 --> 0:24:45.359
<v Speaker 2>tours in Arizona and I was going to read golf

0:24:45.359 --> 0:24:48.440
<v Speaker 2>books and he said, Nico, stop. He said, you don't

0:24:48.480 --> 0:24:50.680
<v Speaker 2>know the rules yet, so you continue to break them.

0:24:51.119 --> 0:24:53.560
<v Speaker 2>And it was the best advice I ever got in golf,

0:24:53.680 --> 0:24:55.800
<v Speaker 2>being able to bring something to a team where I

0:24:55.840 --> 0:24:57.800
<v Speaker 2>don't know the rules of golf. I don't know how

0:24:57.800 --> 0:25:01.200
<v Speaker 2>you're supposed to practice. I don't know how you're supposed

0:25:01.240 --> 0:25:04.119
<v Speaker 2>to look at a driving range or a golf course

0:25:04.320 --> 0:25:08.680
<v Speaker 2>or a hole. Like you said, golf is given us

0:25:09.240 --> 0:25:12.399
<v Speaker 2>a set of rules and a scorecard. We can play

0:25:12.400 --> 0:25:14.760
<v Speaker 2>the hole however we'd like. We can hit out.

0:25:14.800 --> 0:25:18.800
<v Speaker 1>Always says there's no place on the scorecard for anything

0:25:18.840 --> 0:25:19.680
<v Speaker 1>other than a number.

0:25:19.840 --> 0:25:21.160
<v Speaker 2>Yes, it doesn't matter.

0:25:21.320 --> 0:25:25.600
<v Speaker 1>The box is so small you can't write anything else

0:25:25.720 --> 0:25:27.800
<v Speaker 1>other than the score.

0:25:27.880 --> 0:25:30.119
<v Speaker 2>That's it. And so being able to look at the

0:25:30.119 --> 0:25:33.199
<v Speaker 2>game creatively like an artist, although I'm an academic I

0:25:33.200 --> 0:25:35.160
<v Speaker 2>look at golf as an artist and be able to say,

0:25:35.520 --> 0:25:37.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, what is presented in front of me when

0:25:37.560 --> 0:25:39.480
<v Speaker 2>someone goes to a driving range. You know, for people

0:25:39.480 --> 0:25:42.440
<v Speaker 2>at home, look at your driving range, ask yourself the question,

0:25:42.560 --> 0:25:44.359
<v Speaker 2>what does this range give me? Do I have a

0:25:44.359 --> 0:25:47.200
<v Speaker 2>great chipping green? Do I have a putting facility that's nice?

0:25:47.200 --> 0:25:49.320
<v Speaker 2>Do I have a driving range that I can go

0:25:49.400 --> 0:25:50.520
<v Speaker 2>to to be created?

0:25:50.640 --> 0:25:52.760
<v Speaker 1>I have a lot of targets on the driving totally.

0:25:52.840 --> 0:25:54.560
<v Speaker 2>Is there two trees out there that I can look

0:25:54.600 --> 0:25:57.400
<v Speaker 2>at and say, hey, that looks about forty yards wide,

0:25:57.440 --> 0:25:58.919
<v Speaker 2>That'd be a great fair way for me to hit

0:25:59.000 --> 0:26:02.439
<v Speaker 2>drivers into. And so being able to bring that non

0:26:02.680 --> 0:26:07.200
<v Speaker 2>golf team sport mentality my dissertation research, A lot of

0:26:07.240 --> 0:26:09.760
<v Speaker 2>it was written on special forces. So as a kid

0:26:09.840 --> 0:26:12.400
<v Speaker 2>I loved reading military books and still to this day.

0:26:12.400 --> 0:26:15.639
<v Speaker 2>You asked, you know you listen to other team sports

0:26:15.640 --> 0:26:19.359
<v Speaker 2>and coaches. I listened to military podcasts. Specifically I listened

0:26:19.359 --> 0:26:21.199
<v Speaker 2>to the Sean Ryan Show. He has a lot of

0:26:21.200 --> 0:26:25.040
<v Speaker 2>Seal Team six guys, Delta Force, really high performers. What

0:26:25.080 --> 0:26:27.920
<v Speaker 2>are they doing? What are they doing that's different than

0:26:27.920 --> 0:26:29.920
<v Speaker 2>what you and I are doing when we go to

0:26:29.960 --> 0:26:33.399
<v Speaker 2>the driving range. They don't have a day off, they

0:26:33.400 --> 0:26:36.480
<v Speaker 2>don't have the ability to have a bad day. A

0:26:36.520 --> 0:26:39.360
<v Speaker 2>bad day for them has real consequences. A bad day

0:26:39.400 --> 0:26:43.200
<v Speaker 2>for me, I shoot seventy seven. It's a very different mentality.

0:26:43.800 --> 0:26:46.399
<v Speaker 2>And looking at them they gave The military gave me

0:26:46.440 --> 0:26:50.760
<v Speaker 2>so much confidence in something called operant conditioning. It's essentially

0:26:50.760 --> 0:26:53.080
<v Speaker 2>where you can take someone off the street. You can

0:26:53.080 --> 0:26:56.360
<v Speaker 2>take a civilian who's seventeen or eighteen years old, put

0:26:56.400 --> 0:26:59.639
<v Speaker 2>them through buds, and in roughly two years they can

0:26:59.680 --> 0:27:03.239
<v Speaker 2>become a functioning Navy seal. Who's to say that in

0:27:03.359 --> 0:27:07.160
<v Speaker 2>sport we can't take someone off the street and turn

0:27:07.240 --> 0:27:10.439
<v Speaker 2>them into a world class player. The military has already

0:27:10.440 --> 0:27:13.200
<v Speaker 2>shown us it can be done through training, through.

0:27:13.359 --> 0:27:17.480
<v Speaker 1>If they fall up exactly specific exactly thanks.

0:27:17.840 --> 0:27:20.040
<v Speaker 2>Instead, we show up to the driving range and we

0:27:20.040 --> 0:27:22.040
<v Speaker 2>have a seven iron, and we look out there and well,

0:27:22.040 --> 0:27:24.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna work on my swing today. I'm gonna film

0:27:24.000 --> 0:27:26.560
<v Speaker 2>my swing. Look, I play golf seven days a week.

0:27:26.880 --> 0:27:29.679
<v Speaker 2>I want to make my swing better. But what is better?

0:27:30.640 --> 0:27:34.199
<v Speaker 2>What is better? Is it the esthetic contest? Or is

0:27:34.240 --> 0:27:35.879
<v Speaker 2>it the ability to put the ball in the hole.

0:27:35.960 --> 0:27:38.560
<v Speaker 2>You know, I have a dear old friend. We call

0:27:38.600 --> 0:27:40.680
<v Speaker 2>him Uncle Skip. He caddied on tour for a long

0:27:40.720 --> 0:27:42.639
<v Speaker 2>time and he always says to me, he goes, you

0:27:42.720 --> 0:27:45.920
<v Speaker 2>gotta dance with the date that you brought. Every one

0:27:45.960 --> 0:27:47.200
<v Speaker 2>of us wants a better swing.

0:27:47.640 --> 0:27:51.399
<v Speaker 1>But I also think that people forget that unless you

0:27:51.440 --> 0:27:56.800
<v Speaker 1>are going to go in a vacuum in a laboratory

0:27:56.920 --> 0:28:00.360
<v Speaker 1>type situation and you're just going to go work on

0:28:00.400 --> 0:28:04.280
<v Speaker 1>your technique. Sure, right, if you are trying to play

0:28:04.359 --> 0:28:09.560
<v Speaker 1>golf recreationally or competitively, every time you go to the

0:28:09.560 --> 0:28:13.760
<v Speaker 1>golf course is an opportunity for you to play the

0:28:13.880 --> 0:28:18.960
<v Speaker 1>game better as regardless of what you're doing on the

0:28:19.040 --> 0:28:21.520
<v Speaker 1>driving range. Yes, right, because if you are going to

0:28:21.840 --> 0:28:27.320
<v Speaker 1>play golf, and I think we have generations now who

0:28:27.320 --> 0:28:32.240
<v Speaker 1>are just practicers. They don't fundamentally know how to play golf.

0:28:32.359 --> 0:28:40.080
<v Speaker 1>Sure and through technology, through science, through data, through all

0:28:40.160 --> 0:28:43.600
<v Speaker 1>of the things that are available on social media, all

0:28:43.600 --> 0:28:47.240
<v Speaker 1>of the things you can watch, you can work on

0:28:47.320 --> 0:28:51.920
<v Speaker 1>your technique. Ad nos, you work on techne forever you

0:28:51.960 --> 0:28:56.240
<v Speaker 1>can find anything online to work on.

0:28:56.360 --> 0:28:59.800
<v Speaker 2>Google how to fix my slice? There's ae hundred millions instantly.

0:29:00.120 --> 0:29:03.520
<v Speaker 1>But even if you're trying to fix your slice, unless

0:29:03.520 --> 0:29:08.080
<v Speaker 1>you were just going to be a lifetime practicer or

0:29:08.760 --> 0:29:12.480
<v Speaker 1>a professional practicer. Sure you have to at some point

0:29:12.680 --> 0:29:15.360
<v Speaker 1>take the test. Yeah, the test is going out and

0:29:15.400 --> 0:29:20.200
<v Speaker 1>playing nine holes or eighteen holes with the rules of

0:29:20.760 --> 0:29:23.920
<v Speaker 1>the game, with the scorecard. You have to at some

0:29:24.200 --> 0:29:29.040
<v Speaker 1>point go out to the ocean. You just can't sail

0:29:29.120 --> 0:29:31.560
<v Speaker 1>in the harbor and think you're a sailor. Sure right,

0:29:31.600 --> 0:29:34.600
<v Speaker 1>you have to go out into the big blue sea

0:29:34.920 --> 0:29:36.240
<v Speaker 1>and learn how to sail.

0:29:36.720 --> 0:29:39.240
<v Speaker 2>You said a fascinating anything about whatever level you're at,

0:29:39.320 --> 0:29:41.880
<v Speaker 2>And I think that this is for the listeners at home.

0:29:42.400 --> 0:29:46.440
<v Speaker 2>The professional game, in the amateur game is really far apart, right,

0:29:46.480 --> 0:29:49.720
<v Speaker 2>But it doesn't matter my own game. Right now, I'm

0:29:49.720 --> 0:29:52.480
<v Speaker 2>going to talk about my game. I'm probably never going

0:29:52.560 --> 0:29:56.200
<v Speaker 2>to play in the Masters, and that's okay. My Masters

0:29:56.400 --> 0:29:59.240
<v Speaker 2>might be the minor league Tour. It might be coming

0:29:59.280 --> 0:30:03.280
<v Speaker 2>down the stretch with a lead at sand Hill Crane

0:30:03.280 --> 0:30:06.040
<v Speaker 2>Golf Club playing against you know who knows who on

0:30:06.120 --> 0:30:08.640
<v Speaker 2>a Tuesday afternoon. My heart rate's going to be the

0:30:08.680 --> 0:30:10.800
<v Speaker 2>same as somebody is coming down with the chance to win.

0:30:11.240 --> 0:30:13.640
<v Speaker 2>One of my favorite clients, doctor Lonnie Malo has been

0:30:13.640 --> 0:30:16.920
<v Speaker 2>with us for basically since the beginning his goal when

0:30:16.920 --> 0:30:18.960
<v Speaker 2>he started with us was to break a hundred. He

0:30:19.000 --> 0:30:21.360
<v Speaker 2>had to play with his boss. He's an er doctor

0:30:21.360 --> 0:30:23.280
<v Speaker 2>and he had to play with his boss in I'll

0:30:23.280 --> 0:30:25.320
<v Speaker 2>never forget. It was the end of September and it

0:30:25.400 --> 0:30:27.880
<v Speaker 2>was June, and he said, I don't know how to

0:30:27.920 --> 0:30:32.800
<v Speaker 2>play golf and I'm terrified. His Masters was that round

0:30:32.800 --> 0:30:35.600
<v Speaker 2>with his boss. It didn't matter to him. He has

0:30:35.760 --> 0:30:39.400
<v Speaker 2>no aspirations of being a you know, world beater, world

0:30:39.480 --> 0:30:43.040
<v Speaker 2>number one. His Masters was that round. He ended up

0:30:43.040 --> 0:30:45.240
<v Speaker 2>shooting about you know, ninety eight or whatever it was.

0:30:45.280 --> 0:30:47.600
<v Speaker 2>And this year he played in his club championship. Next

0:30:47.720 --> 0:30:50.480
<v Speaker 2>year his goal is to compete in the club championship.

0:30:50.960 --> 0:30:52.600
<v Speaker 2>And I think that when you sit there and you

0:30:52.640 --> 0:30:56.680
<v Speaker 2>look at what your own goals are and being realistic

0:30:56.720 --> 0:30:59.560
<v Speaker 2>about them, it's okay. If I never play in the Masters,

0:31:00.200 --> 0:31:02.360
<v Speaker 2>career will still be a success because I'm trying to

0:31:02.360 --> 0:31:04.800
<v Speaker 2>be the best player that I can be next week,

0:31:05.480 --> 0:31:08.240
<v Speaker 2>next month, next year, five years from now. Who's to

0:31:08.280 --> 0:31:11.240
<v Speaker 2>say I can't.

0:31:10.640 --> 0:31:15.080
<v Speaker 1>That's that's pretty interesting that I think most people, I

0:31:15.160 --> 0:31:20.280
<v Speaker 1>think most people in golf have massively out of kilter expectations.

0:31:20.360 --> 0:31:24.760
<v Speaker 1>Sure right, I mean, they're just their expectations of what

0:31:25.280 --> 0:31:28.720
<v Speaker 1>they're going to be able to do versus what they

0:31:28.800 --> 0:31:33.360
<v Speaker 1>can do. Circling back to John. So you get on

0:31:33.440 --> 0:31:37.239
<v Speaker 1>John's team, you go spend time with him. He's a

0:31:37.280 --> 0:31:41.479
<v Speaker 1>freak athlete. He's a freak golfer. He has all of

0:31:41.520 --> 0:31:44.000
<v Speaker 1>the tools, sure everyone, I mean he has all of

0:31:44.040 --> 0:31:48.240
<v Speaker 1>the tools. I mean he is a he's a joy

0:31:48.320 --> 0:31:52.480
<v Speaker 1>to watch play golf, and he plays golf in a

0:31:52.520 --> 0:31:58.320
<v Speaker 1>way that is incredibly simplistic, like he really does play

0:31:58.400 --> 0:32:01.640
<v Speaker 1>golf in them people is form where I think people

0:32:01.680 --> 0:32:05.360
<v Speaker 1>would think that it would be much more complex. The

0:32:05.440 --> 0:32:06.720
<v Speaker 1>way he plays.

0:32:06.680 --> 0:32:10.160
<v Speaker 2>The beauty is the simplicity, the truest form of art

0:32:10.360 --> 0:32:14.040
<v Speaker 2>think about. I watched Hero Dreams of Sushi, the Netflix

0:32:14.080 --> 0:32:16.160
<v Speaker 2>documentary where the chef he makes sushi all day long,

0:32:16.560 --> 0:32:19.000
<v Speaker 2>and the sushi is so simple, but it's perfect. It's

0:32:19.040 --> 0:32:21.240
<v Speaker 2>so clean, the lines are elegant, the way it's done.

0:32:21.280 --> 0:32:23.920
<v Speaker 2>And with John, the way I look at it and

0:32:24.480 --> 0:32:26.640
<v Speaker 2>my time with him has been trying to make it

0:32:26.680 --> 0:32:29.280
<v Speaker 2>more fun, just trying to make practice not a job.

0:32:29.400 --> 0:32:31.080
<v Speaker 2>These guys do it every day all day. At the

0:32:31.120 --> 0:32:35.520
<v Speaker 2>highest levels of the game. There's stress, there's financial there's

0:32:35.640 --> 0:32:38.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, all the expectations of trying to be the

0:32:38.360 --> 0:32:40.840
<v Speaker 2>best in the world. And I try to create games

0:32:40.880 --> 0:32:44.120
<v Speaker 2>that are enjoyable, that are engaging, that are you know,

0:32:44.160 --> 0:32:46.120
<v Speaker 2>taking what they do well already and make it a

0:32:46.160 --> 0:32:48.120
<v Speaker 2>little better. And then hey, here are some areas that

0:32:48.160 --> 0:32:50.160
<v Speaker 2>we need to work on. Let's try to have a

0:32:50.160 --> 0:32:55.640
<v Speaker 2>little more fun doing that. And so for me, I

0:32:55.680 --> 0:32:58.480
<v Speaker 2>look at children as the greatest model of learning. How

0:32:58.480 --> 0:33:01.840
<v Speaker 2>do kids learn? They play? Kids play. When we become adults,

0:33:01.880 --> 0:33:04.880
<v Speaker 2>when we stop playing. You know, I'm a serious person.

0:33:04.920 --> 0:33:07.640
<v Speaker 2>I need to have serious you know, I'm gonna grind.

0:33:08.320 --> 0:33:10.720
<v Speaker 2>What does that even mean? Are you not gonna enjoy?

0:33:10.720 --> 0:33:12.520
<v Speaker 2>You're gonna stand there and hip balls till you bleed,

0:33:14.120 --> 0:33:16.680
<v Speaker 2>thanks man, Like I'll take anyone else against that guy

0:33:16.720 --> 0:33:19.480
<v Speaker 2>in the field. Right The children are out there learning.

0:33:19.520 --> 0:33:20.960
<v Speaker 2>My have a four yeal niece who I get to

0:33:21.000 --> 0:33:24.320
<v Speaker 2>watch her, how she learns, the questions that she asks. That's,

0:33:24.480 --> 0:33:28.680
<v Speaker 2>in my opinion, my role with players is taking them

0:33:28.720 --> 0:33:30.880
<v Speaker 2>back to when they were a child and how they learned,

0:33:30.880 --> 0:33:34.160
<v Speaker 2>how they had fun, and more importantly, judgment free. Us

0:33:34.200 --> 0:33:37.520
<v Speaker 2>as human beings are egos and are the stories that

0:33:37.560 --> 0:33:40.080
<v Speaker 2>we tell ourselves. The stress that we put ourselves under

0:33:40.440 --> 0:33:44.560
<v Speaker 2>It can become very constraining where you don't want to

0:33:44.560 --> 0:33:46.760
<v Speaker 2>take that risk. John's always willing to take the risk.

0:33:46.800 --> 0:33:48.760
<v Speaker 2>I will always say this if I ask the same

0:33:48.840 --> 0:33:51.520
<v Speaker 2>question to all of my guys, everyone you know, seeing

0:33:51.560 --> 0:33:54.320
<v Speaker 2>Tory Pine's the eighteenth hole, and I always give them

0:33:54.360 --> 0:33:57.160
<v Speaker 2>the number two fifty five because it's a weird tweener number,

0:33:57.200 --> 0:34:01.560
<v Speaker 2>like maybe it's a five five iron lay up, maybe

0:34:01.600 --> 0:34:04.480
<v Speaker 2>it's a you send it hit three wood. And a

0:34:04.520 --> 0:34:07.280
<v Speaker 2>good question to ask yourself is you're tied for the lead,

0:34:07.320 --> 0:34:08.880
<v Speaker 2>your opponent just hit it in the water. What do

0:34:08.920 --> 0:34:12.480
<v Speaker 2>you do? Who are you? Do?

0:34:12.520 --> 0:34:14.560
<v Speaker 1>You go for the green from two fifty five, which

0:34:14.719 --> 0:34:17.600
<v Speaker 1>a guy like John rom can easily get any pin

0:34:18.239 --> 0:34:20.960
<v Speaker 1>on the eighteenth hole at Torrey Pines, where he won

0:34:21.719 --> 0:34:24.239
<v Speaker 1>his first major championship, the US Open. But he can

0:34:24.280 --> 0:34:26.000
<v Speaker 1>get from two fifty five, He can get any You

0:34:26.040 --> 0:34:28.239
<v Speaker 1>can get to any pin, sure, And he's got a

0:34:28.320 --> 0:34:32.120
<v Speaker 1>variety of different shots he could git to do that. Yeah,

0:34:32.160 --> 0:34:35.239
<v Speaker 1>So does he go for it or does he lay

0:34:35.280 --> 0:34:37.560
<v Speaker 1>up and then try and make a birdie with a wedge?

0:34:37.560 --> 0:34:39.959
<v Speaker 2>Sure? And the questions that I ask all of my guys,

0:34:39.960 --> 0:34:42.080
<v Speaker 2>I always tell them there's no right answers. It's your

0:34:42.120 --> 0:34:44.600
<v Speaker 2>answer because at the end of the day, something that

0:34:44.960 --> 0:34:47.400
<v Speaker 2>I will never take credit for an athlete's success. You know,

0:34:47.440 --> 0:34:50.279
<v Speaker 2>we have some amazing athletes on our team. They're the

0:34:50.320 --> 0:34:53.160
<v Speaker 2>ones hitting the shot. I'm the one asking the questions

0:34:53.640 --> 0:34:56.560
<v Speaker 2>to try to give them some thought as to what

0:34:56.719 --> 0:34:58.319
<v Speaker 2>do we do in that moment. We go back to

0:34:58.360 --> 0:35:00.239
<v Speaker 2>the military. You know, how do you you know what

0:35:00.239 --> 0:35:02.160
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna do if you haven't trained it. We go

0:35:02.280 --> 0:35:05.240
<v Speaker 2>back to our level of training under stress, under duress.

0:35:05.520 --> 0:35:07.719
<v Speaker 2>Something we spend so much time on is our heart rate.

0:35:07.800 --> 0:35:10.239
<v Speaker 2>All of our guys we monitor their heart rates when

0:35:10.239 --> 0:35:12.799
<v Speaker 2>they're playing because we know that when your heart rate

0:35:12.840 --> 0:35:15.760
<v Speaker 2>gets up, your decision making changes, your physical body changes.

0:35:15.800 --> 0:35:18.120
<v Speaker 2>Your hands. Everyone's felt it. Your hands go a little

0:35:18.160 --> 0:35:20.360
<v Speaker 2>numb when you're putting. What is that sensation?

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<v Speaker 1>So we want to thank our partners at ag one,

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0:36:40.280 --> 0:36:42.279
<v Speaker 1>the technology out there. You know a lot of the

0:36:42.280 --> 0:36:46.160
<v Speaker 1>guys on the PGA tour used the whoops during the pandemic.

0:36:46.320 --> 0:36:49.600
<v Speaker 1>They gave everybody on the PGA Tour a whoop, because

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<v Speaker 1>that was one of the ways that they were looking

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<v Speaker 1>at seeing which guys were coming down with COVID. The

0:36:55.719 --> 0:36:59.400
<v Speaker 1>Nick Wotney that that famous story Nick Wotney. He shows up,

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't tell positive at Harbortown, he's not feeling good.

0:37:04.080 --> 0:37:07.200
<v Speaker 1>He sees Roy McElroy in the parking lot. Roy talks

0:37:07.200 --> 0:37:09.279
<v Speaker 1>to him a little bit about it. He said, look

0:37:09.320 --> 0:37:11.440
<v Speaker 1>at your whoop data. I'm not feeling good today. They

0:37:11.480 --> 0:37:14.360
<v Speaker 1>looked through that, they found out that he had contracted.

0:37:14.520 --> 0:37:15.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, COVID.

0:37:15.920 --> 0:37:18.919
<v Speaker 1>They gave everybody. So now a lot of PGA Tour

0:37:18.960 --> 0:37:22.680
<v Speaker 1>players and because of the PGA Tour, everybody mimics every

0:37:22.719 --> 0:37:25.880
<v Speaker 1>amateur that I work with. Now every Mini tour player

0:37:25.920 --> 0:37:30.640
<v Speaker 1>has got a whoop on. You're able during tournaments to

0:37:30.920 --> 0:37:35.840
<v Speaker 1>actively get live heart rate data from your players.

0:37:35.880 --> 0:37:38.239
<v Speaker 2>So one of the coolest stories during that same era,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the first guys we worked with, I will

0:37:39.840 --> 0:37:42.680
<v Speaker 2>mention his name. He had a put to tie in

0:37:42.760 --> 0:37:44.799
<v Speaker 2>an event that he really needed to play well in

0:37:44.960 --> 0:37:47.080
<v Speaker 2>and he had six feet on the last hole and

0:37:47.120 --> 0:37:48.760
<v Speaker 2>his heart rate go up to one hundred and forty

0:37:48.800 --> 0:37:51.000
<v Speaker 2>six beats. And for those of you at home who

0:37:51.000 --> 0:37:54.839
<v Speaker 2>don't realize this. That's right on the cusp of where

0:37:54.880 --> 0:37:57.760
<v Speaker 2>your vision starts to change and neurological things start to happen.

0:37:58.080 --> 0:38:00.800
<v Speaker 2>Physical things start to happen. And I called the buddy

0:38:00.800 --> 0:38:03.600
<v Speaker 2>of mine who was a Green Beret, and I asked

0:38:03.680 --> 0:38:05.880
<v Speaker 2>him about this, and I said, hey, have you guys

0:38:05.920 --> 0:38:08.920
<v Speaker 2>researched this? And he turned me onto this amazing research

0:38:09.280 --> 0:38:13.400
<v Speaker 2>from someone within the military who monitors all the Special

0:38:13.480 --> 0:38:15.800
<v Speaker 2>Forces heart rate and he told a great story. He said,

0:38:16.200 --> 0:38:18.160
<v Speaker 2>one of the final tests they have, they give you

0:38:18.400 --> 0:38:21.040
<v Speaker 2>essentially a paintball gun and you know, they're like not

0:38:21.120 --> 0:38:23.440
<v Speaker 2>real bullets, and they put a hood over your head

0:38:24.120 --> 0:38:26.640
<v Speaker 2>and a scenario is presented in front of you. It

0:38:26.760 --> 0:38:29.200
<v Speaker 2>might be a woman holding a baby, it might be

0:38:29.520 --> 0:38:31.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, two pertend terrorists. And they said, the first

0:38:31.640 --> 0:38:33.960
<v Speaker 2>time everyone's heart rates through the roof, it's one sixty.

0:38:34.000 --> 0:38:35.600
<v Speaker 2>And then you know, they shoot, They shoot the paintball

0:38:35.640 --> 0:38:37.600
<v Speaker 2>gun at whatever's in front of them, and they said,

0:38:37.640 --> 0:38:41.360
<v Speaker 2>by the end they're able to calm down. Hood comes off.

0:38:41.480 --> 0:38:43.799
<v Speaker 2>They assess, they assess, they pull the trigger in the

0:38:43.880 --> 0:38:47.000
<v Speaker 2>right way, and it just clicked off. This idea in

0:38:47.080 --> 0:38:49.920
<v Speaker 2>my mind that what if I test everything on myself.

0:38:49.960 --> 0:38:51.560
<v Speaker 2>I am my own crash test dummy. For those of

0:38:51.600 --> 0:38:53.719
<v Speaker 2>you who follow me on Instagram, you know I'm doing

0:38:53.719 --> 0:38:56.480
<v Speaker 2>this every day all day. It's it's it's every day,

0:38:56.480 --> 0:38:58.560
<v Speaker 2>all day. And so I just monitored my own heart

0:38:58.600 --> 0:39:01.920
<v Speaker 2>rate and I put myself in and tournaments had said, well,

0:39:01.920 --> 0:39:04.200
<v Speaker 2>when I'm hitting balls in the driving range, I'm out

0:39:04.200 --> 0:39:07.120
<v Speaker 2>about eighty. When I play a tournament, there's no consequence.

0:39:07.800 --> 0:39:10.719
<v Speaker 1>I just and if you hit That's the thing I

0:39:10.800 --> 0:39:13.400
<v Speaker 1>think everyone listening when you are hitting golf balls on

0:39:13.440 --> 0:39:16.200
<v Speaker 1>the range, there really is no consequence because if you

0:39:16.280 --> 0:39:19.120
<v Speaker 1>hit a bad one, you just fire one over. And

0:39:19.160 --> 0:39:21.680
<v Speaker 1>a lot of times what I'll do with players is

0:39:22.520 --> 0:39:25.920
<v Speaker 1>they get into that rut to where they start hitting

0:39:26.320 --> 0:39:29.480
<v Speaker 1>bad shot after bad shot after bad shot, and the

0:39:29.560 --> 0:39:33.399
<v Speaker 1>worst they hit it, the faster they're hitting the next ball.

0:39:33.920 --> 0:39:37.920
<v Speaker 1>So there's really no thought process. And I'll let players

0:39:37.960 --> 0:39:40.600
<v Speaker 1>sometimes go through that to where they'll hit three, four

0:39:40.680 --> 0:39:43.479
<v Speaker 1>or five shots, and a lot of times I'll start

0:39:43.520 --> 0:39:46.400
<v Speaker 1>filming without them realizing they don't know what I'm filming,

0:39:46.840 --> 0:39:51.080
<v Speaker 1>and I'll say, listen, watch how fast you just hit

0:39:51.160 --> 0:39:54.200
<v Speaker 1>the last five balls. Sure, now tell me what you

0:39:54.280 --> 0:39:57.960
<v Speaker 1>were thinking, tell me what the object of each shot was,

0:39:58.320 --> 0:40:01.399
<v Speaker 1>and you can't because you're in that drowning phase. Right.

0:40:02.000 --> 0:40:04.640
<v Speaker 1>I think golfers more than any other sport you get.

0:40:04.840 --> 0:40:07.799
<v Speaker 1>Everybody goes through this. Tour players go through this, but

0:40:07.880 --> 0:40:10.920
<v Speaker 1>the average golfer that's listening, we all go through that

0:40:10.960 --> 0:40:14.120
<v Speaker 1>phase of where you feel like I've lost it and

0:40:14.160 --> 0:40:17.880
<v Speaker 1>now I'm drowning. Oh yeah, And the more you feel

0:40:17.880 --> 0:40:20.960
<v Speaker 1>like you're losing it, the more you feel like you're drowning.

0:40:21.520 --> 0:40:25.280
<v Speaker 1>You're in quicksand and you're just in your arms around

0:40:25.320 --> 0:40:29.160
<v Speaker 1>that boat is sinking. So you were saying the heart rate.

0:40:29.280 --> 0:40:31.080
<v Speaker 1>Most people in the range, they hit a bad shot,

0:40:31.400 --> 0:40:33.160
<v Speaker 1>there's fifty of them in front of them, they just

0:40:33.280 --> 0:40:34.080
<v Speaker 1>grab another one.

0:40:34.160 --> 0:40:34.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:40:34.960 --> 0:40:38.960
<v Speaker 1>So the consequence of that is so different when we're

0:40:39.000 --> 0:40:42.120
<v Speaker 1>on the golf course because you don't have another ball.

0:40:42.280 --> 0:40:47.600
<v Speaker 1>It matters every ball when you're playing the game of golf,

0:40:47.840 --> 0:40:50.440
<v Speaker 1>matters when you're trying to keep score, when you're in

0:40:50.480 --> 0:40:53.920
<v Speaker 1>a competition, whether you're just out for a weekend with

0:40:54.000 --> 0:40:59.040
<v Speaker 1>your friends. The playing of the game is so different

0:40:59.080 --> 0:41:02.319
<v Speaker 1>than the practice sing of the game. Yes, but everybody

0:41:02.680 --> 0:41:06.239
<v Speaker 1>just spends all of their time practicing.

0:41:05.840 --> 0:41:09.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a fascinating concept for me where I look

0:41:09.800 --> 0:41:12.680
<v Speaker 2>at it and I'm with you, I don't quite understand it.

0:41:13.280 --> 0:41:16.400
<v Speaker 2>I can't put my finger on the why. And that's okay.

0:41:16.840 --> 0:41:19.760
<v Speaker 2>I've stopped trying to ask the why, and I've started

0:41:19.800 --> 0:41:22.560
<v Speaker 2>just trying to find solutions. I've just said, you know what,

0:41:23.200 --> 0:41:25.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm willing to do burpies on the driving range and

0:41:25.200 --> 0:41:27.600
<v Speaker 2>have everyone laugh at me, because here's the thing about

0:41:27.640 --> 0:41:31.760
<v Speaker 2>being an overnight success. Everyone laughed at me until they didn't.

0:41:32.440 --> 0:41:34.520
<v Speaker 2>I was doing burpies on the driving range three years

0:41:34.560 --> 0:41:37.080
<v Speaker 2>ago by myself and everyone would giggle. I didn't have

0:41:37.080 --> 0:41:40.359
<v Speaker 2>any PGA tour clients. I wasn't on your podcast. I

0:41:40.480 --> 0:41:43.760
<v Speaker 2>was some four handicap in Scott's Arizona, you know, trying

0:41:43.760 --> 0:41:47.040
<v Speaker 2>to play in my club championship. I was willing to

0:41:47.120 --> 0:41:51.200
<v Speaker 2>be different because I didn't know that was wrong. I

0:41:51.200 --> 0:41:52.040
<v Speaker 2>didn't know the So.

0:41:52.160 --> 0:41:55.640
<v Speaker 1>Doing burpees on the driving range is trying to get.

0:41:55.520 --> 0:41:57.239
<v Speaker 2>Your heart right up, jamming my heart right up, I

0:41:57.280 --> 0:41:58.120
<v Speaker 2>know what, try.

0:41:57.960 --> 0:42:02.400
<v Speaker 1>And get what you're Everybody comes to people like you.

0:42:02.760 --> 0:42:05.160
<v Speaker 1>Everyone comes to people like me that is trying to

0:42:05.200 --> 0:42:09.640
<v Speaker 1>play and say, okay, how can I simulate what happens

0:42:09.680 --> 0:42:13.279
<v Speaker 1>on the golf course, on the driving rang. So in

0:42:13.320 --> 0:42:16.960
<v Speaker 1>my practice, how can I how do I get because

0:42:16.960 --> 0:42:19.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm struggling. I'm hitting it good on the range, I

0:42:19.120 --> 0:42:21.000
<v Speaker 1>stripe it on the range. I strike it on the range,

0:42:21.000 --> 0:42:23.000
<v Speaker 1>and then I get on the golf course and I

0:42:23.040 --> 0:42:28.320
<v Speaker 1>feel like I haven't been practicing. Things go wrong, I

0:42:28.400 --> 0:42:30.560
<v Speaker 1>think I always say, and it's something I've been saying

0:42:30.560 --> 0:42:35.080
<v Speaker 1>for a while now. From an American football standpoint, competitive

0:42:35.120 --> 0:42:37.640
<v Speaker 1>golf is the two minute.

0:42:37.400 --> 0:42:38.200
<v Speaker 2>Offense one hundred.

0:42:38.400 --> 0:42:41.760
<v Speaker 1>It's the red zone. Yes, sometimes you're going to get

0:42:42.480 --> 0:42:45.000
<v Speaker 1>a lot of time in the red zone, but sometimes

0:42:45.080 --> 0:42:47.359
<v Speaker 1>at the end of a game, you're going to get

0:42:47.640 --> 0:42:50.160
<v Speaker 1>a team is going to get the ball back. They're

0:42:50.160 --> 0:42:54.240
<v Speaker 1>going to have forty five seconds left, they're on the

0:42:54.239 --> 0:42:57.399
<v Speaker 1>their own ten yard line. Maybe they've got a time out,

0:42:57.600 --> 0:43:01.040
<v Speaker 1>maybe they don't. And I'm always fascinating that the greater

0:43:01.160 --> 0:43:07.000
<v Speaker 1>the quarterback, the less the time, the more the announcers say,

0:43:07.200 --> 0:43:10.200
<v Speaker 1>that's a lot of time for Aaron Rodgers, he's got

0:43:10.200 --> 0:43:13.600
<v Speaker 1>a chance, a lot of time for Patrick Mahomes. The

0:43:13.640 --> 0:43:19.680
<v Speaker 1>greater the quarterback, the less time they have there are

0:43:20.000 --> 0:43:23.960
<v Speaker 1>people are more surprised if they don't score, then they

0:43:23.960 --> 0:43:26.640
<v Speaker 1>are right.

0:43:26.719 --> 0:43:28.479
<v Speaker 2>So I'll tell you. I'll tell you a baseball story

0:43:28.520 --> 0:43:30.239
<v Speaker 2>and the same I played at cal State Fullerton my

0:43:30.280 --> 0:43:30.919
<v Speaker 2>freshman year.

0:43:31.200 --> 0:43:32.279
<v Speaker 1>We're the number one hour house.

0:43:32.360 --> 0:43:34.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're the number one team in the country. And

0:43:35.000 --> 0:43:37.319
<v Speaker 2>our coach always said to us, if we're down one

0:43:37.360 --> 0:43:40.279
<v Speaker 2>in the ninth, we're winning the game because the other

0:43:40.400 --> 0:43:43.560
<v Speaker 2>team is going to be more. They're gonna panic. We

0:43:43.600 --> 0:43:46.040
<v Speaker 2>are not. We are going to win. And I can't

0:43:46.040 --> 0:43:48.280
<v Speaker 2>tell you how many how many leads that we flipped

0:43:48.600 --> 0:43:51.160
<v Speaker 2>going into the eighth, going into the ninth, when we

0:43:51.160 --> 0:43:53.040
<v Speaker 2>were like, yeah, of course we're gonna win. Of course

0:43:53.040 --> 0:43:56.680
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna win. Well, that's exactly we were more surprised

0:43:56.680 --> 0:43:59.239
<v Speaker 2>if we lost, like no, no, no, no, this is we're

0:43:59.239 --> 0:44:01.600
<v Speaker 2>gonna beat you. We are the team that's worked harder.

0:44:01.840 --> 0:44:04.319
<v Speaker 2>We've done it, We've done the reps. And if you

0:44:04.640 --> 0:44:06.319
<v Speaker 2>here's a funny story going back to what you said

0:44:06.320 --> 0:44:09.680
<v Speaker 2>about competitive team sports. I was a freshman. I was

0:44:09.719 --> 0:44:12.880
<v Speaker 2>scared to death. Our biggest rival in college baseball, think Alabama,

0:44:12.920 --> 0:44:16.080
<v Speaker 2>Auburn is Long Beach State, cal State Fullerton. I'm zero

0:44:16.120 --> 0:44:18.719
<v Speaker 2>for two. On Saturday, I get the start because one

0:44:18.719 --> 0:44:20.360
<v Speaker 2>of our guys got hurt, so I get the start.

0:44:20.680 --> 0:44:23.120
<v Speaker 2>My first two at bats were terrible, I mean awful.

0:44:23.960 --> 0:44:26.879
<v Speaker 2>As I'm walking up to bet, my head coach puts

0:44:26.920 --> 0:44:28.600
<v Speaker 2>his arm around me in the on deck circle and

0:44:28.640 --> 0:44:30.360
<v Speaker 2>he looks at me. And what do you think you

0:44:30.400 --> 0:44:34.040
<v Speaker 2>say to a scared freshman who is there's thousands of

0:44:34.040 --> 0:44:36.080
<v Speaker 2>people there. You say, hey, you can do it, son,

0:44:36.160 --> 0:44:37.520
<v Speaker 2>You know you can do this, Nico. He looked at me,

0:44:37.560 --> 0:44:40.080
<v Speaker 2>he goes, do you ever want to play here again?

0:44:41.520 --> 0:44:44.200
<v Speaker 2>And I turned and there's a video of it somewhere.

0:44:44.200 --> 0:44:46.600
<v Speaker 2>My eyes are like saucers. He goes, get a hit.

0:44:47.560 --> 0:44:49.200
<v Speaker 2>I rolled one over the five to six hole and

0:44:49.200 --> 0:44:50.600
<v Speaker 2>I got a base hit. And he comes up to

0:44:50.600 --> 0:44:52.960
<v Speaker 2>me and he goes, I told you, And you sit

0:44:53.000 --> 0:44:55.239
<v Speaker 2>there and you compare that to golf, where as you said,

0:44:55.320 --> 0:44:57.240
<v Speaker 2>you hit a bad shot, and then you go spend

0:44:57.320 --> 0:44:59.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, a week on the driving range working on

0:44:59.680 --> 0:45:03.160
<v Speaker 2>my te technique. Golf, the ball doesn't move, so we

0:45:03.239 --> 0:45:06.919
<v Speaker 2>have so much time to think and evaluate and ask

0:45:06.960 --> 0:45:09.719
<v Speaker 2>ourselves why did the ball go there. I'm not that

0:45:09.880 --> 0:45:13.919
<v Speaker 2>interested in the why. I'm interested in competing. I want

0:45:13.920 --> 0:45:16.640
<v Speaker 2>a dog who gets in there and competes on their

0:45:16.760 --> 0:45:20.600
<v Speaker 2>worst day. Everybody in professional golf, every Mini Tour pro

0:45:20.640 --> 0:45:21.840
<v Speaker 2>can shoot sixty three.

0:45:22.480 --> 0:45:25.520
<v Speaker 1>Padrick Harrington a couple weeks ago they interviewed him live

0:45:25.640 --> 0:45:27.640
<v Speaker 1>amazing at I think he was playing at the Senior

0:45:27.640 --> 0:45:30.960
<v Speaker 1>British opening. Padrick said, you know, Padrick is a multiple

0:45:31.080 --> 0:45:35.359
<v Speaker 1>major champions stuff. He is a Wryder Cup hero for Europe.

0:45:35.480 --> 0:45:38.399
<v Speaker 1>He is a Writer Cup captain. They didn't win when

0:45:38.400 --> 0:45:41.160
<v Speaker 1>he was captain, but he is a I mean, he's

0:45:41.280 --> 0:45:41.719
<v Speaker 1>he's the man.

0:45:41.760 --> 0:45:43.640
<v Speaker 2>I love his Paddy's golf tips. By way, if you're listening,

0:45:43.719 --> 0:45:45.000
<v Speaker 2>I love your Patty's golf tips.

0:45:45.000 --> 0:45:47.560
<v Speaker 1>It's great. And he was saying live on our Tim

0:45:47.600 --> 0:45:49.400
<v Speaker 1>Barter from Sky was interview him and he said, listen,

0:45:49.719 --> 0:45:53.720
<v Speaker 1>at this level, there are people that hit it better

0:45:54.400 --> 0:45:57.640
<v Speaker 1>than I do that aren't at this level, not even close,

0:45:58.320 --> 0:46:02.759
<v Speaker 1>but at the elite competitive level, the way that you

0:46:03.040 --> 0:46:07.480
<v Speaker 1>think on the golf course is the differentiator because everybody

0:46:08.040 --> 0:46:12.120
<v Speaker 1>is good. So if you're trying to break to me,

0:46:12.200 --> 0:46:16.640
<v Speaker 1>it's the barriers one hundred ninety, yes, eighty seventy. If

0:46:16.640 --> 0:46:19.200
<v Speaker 1>you're trying to break one hundred for the same for

0:46:19.239 --> 0:46:23.360
<v Speaker 1>the first time, pretty much everybody that's in your handicap

0:46:23.520 --> 0:46:25.399
<v Speaker 1>level is the same.

0:46:25.480 --> 0:46:26.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're all the same.

0:46:26.360 --> 0:46:29.319
<v Speaker 1>You're you all have the same amount of talent. So

0:46:29.440 --> 0:46:32.080
<v Speaker 1>everybody trying to break one hundred out there for the

0:46:32.080 --> 0:46:36.560
<v Speaker 1>first time, everybody trying to break ninety, trying to break eighty. Sure,

0:46:36.640 --> 0:46:41.279
<v Speaker 1>whatever bucket of those you're in. Sure remember that everybody

0:46:41.280 --> 0:46:45.400
<v Speaker 1>that's never broken eighty before pretty much probably has the

0:46:45.440 --> 0:46:51.320
<v Speaker 1>same skill set, similar, same kind of technique. Sure, there's

0:46:51.400 --> 0:46:54.920
<v Speaker 1>no differentiator there right from a technique standpoint.

0:46:54.960 --> 0:46:59.160
<v Speaker 2>Probably there's some. Obviously there's outliers. There're largely golfers fit

0:46:59.200 --> 0:47:00.680
<v Speaker 2>in buckets and they're.

0:47:00.520 --> 0:47:02.319
<v Speaker 1>So if you're trying to break eighty for the first

0:47:02.360 --> 0:47:05.319
<v Speaker 1>time or ninety for the first time, there are so

0:47:05.560 --> 0:47:08.000
<v Speaker 1>And I talked to Ryan about it last week on

0:47:08.040 --> 0:47:11.359
<v Speaker 1>the podcast. There are so many golf life hacks that

0:47:11.440 --> 0:47:14.719
<v Speaker 1>you can come up with that don't have anything to

0:47:14.840 --> 0:47:18.360
<v Speaker 1>do with the way you're swinging the golf club. Yes,

0:47:18.960 --> 0:47:23.719
<v Speaker 1>and the way that you practice can help you so

0:47:24.000 --> 0:47:27.520
<v Speaker 1>much when you get into these situations on the golf

0:47:27.560 --> 0:47:31.200
<v Speaker 1>course that everybody is going to get into. I think

0:47:31.200 --> 0:47:33.279
<v Speaker 1>one of the people always ask me why Brooks is

0:47:33.320 --> 0:47:36.120
<v Speaker 1>so great in the majors, and I always say the

0:47:36.120 --> 0:47:40.280
<v Speaker 1>same thing. And I say, because Brooks doesn't expect everything

0:47:40.360 --> 0:47:44.200
<v Speaker 1>to go well. He expects there to be turbulence, He

0:47:44.440 --> 0:47:49.560
<v Speaker 1>expects there to be he expects to make bad swings. Sure,

0:47:49.680 --> 0:47:52.560
<v Speaker 1>he expects to hit bad shots. I think so many

0:47:52.600 --> 0:47:56.399
<v Speaker 1>people go into playing golf thinking, Okay, the way I'm

0:47:56.440 --> 0:47:59.480
<v Speaker 1>going to break one hundred and ninety or eighty for

0:47:59.520 --> 0:48:02.239
<v Speaker 1>the first time is I have to do all of

0:48:02.280 --> 0:48:07.560
<v Speaker 1>these things perfect and the stars almost have to align.

0:48:07.920 --> 0:48:11.600
<v Speaker 1>And I think that the way that you've come up

0:48:11.640 --> 0:48:16.000
<v Speaker 1>with a way to try and gamify practice is something

0:48:16.040 --> 0:48:20.000
<v Speaker 1>that I think can help so many people. So circling

0:48:20.040 --> 0:48:26.160
<v Speaker 1>back to John, what were some of the practice games

0:48:26.160 --> 0:48:28.799
<v Speaker 1>that you came up with? When you're looking at a

0:48:28.800 --> 0:48:31.360
<v Speaker 1>guy like John Rum, who's good at everything, how do

0:48:31.440 --> 0:48:34.640
<v Speaker 1>you go, Okay, what can I get him to practice?

0:48:34.680 --> 0:48:38.760
<v Speaker 1>From a game standpoint? Give him games? Because I've seen

0:48:38.800 --> 0:48:41.840
<v Speaker 1>you for around all the majors. You come up with

0:48:41.880 --> 0:48:46.799
<v Speaker 1>a list of games, sure, based off of the tasks

0:48:46.880 --> 0:48:50.680
<v Speaker 1>that he's going to have to control. So at AUGUSTA,

0:48:51.080 --> 0:48:55.080
<v Speaker 1>you identify the shots that he's going to have to

0:48:55.160 --> 0:48:59.400
<v Speaker 1>hit the type of conditions that he's going to be playing.

0:48:59.400 --> 0:49:05.640
<v Speaker 1>Insure firm greens, not a lot of landing areas, slopey, slopey,

0:49:05.760 --> 0:49:08.719
<v Speaker 1>all of those things. So you come up with games

0:49:08.800 --> 0:49:12.839
<v Speaker 1>and you say, okay, here are the games. See if

0:49:12.880 --> 0:49:18.040
<v Speaker 1>you can now achieve these tasks or tests in practice.

0:49:18.120 --> 0:49:20.799
<v Speaker 2>So my dissertation was written on a guy named doctor

0:49:20.880 --> 0:49:24.200
<v Speaker 2>Robert F. Major who created criterion reference instruction. It's exactly

0:49:24.280 --> 0:49:28.720
<v Speaker 2>what you're describing. It's little tests, it's here's the task.

0:49:29.160 --> 0:49:31.800
<v Speaker 2>It might be to hit an eight iron one hundred

0:49:31.840 --> 0:49:36.360
<v Speaker 2>and fifty yards, normal task every PGA tour pro. I

0:49:36.360 --> 0:49:38.040
<v Speaker 2>don't care how short you are. You can hit it

0:49:38.080 --> 0:49:40.359
<v Speaker 2>one hundred and fifty. Then it might be to hit

0:49:40.360 --> 0:49:42.839
<v Speaker 2>at one seventy that might be a stretch. So they're

0:49:42.920 --> 0:49:47.360
<v Speaker 2>little tests before the test. And John's a unique case

0:49:48.960 --> 0:49:51.560
<v Speaker 2>because he's so talented everything. But I work really closely

0:49:51.600 --> 0:49:55.359
<v Speaker 2>with Dave John's I almost throw John out because he's

0:49:55.400 --> 0:49:58.960
<v Speaker 2>such an anomaly. He's so gifted. He's so gifted. So

0:49:59.000 --> 0:50:01.600
<v Speaker 2>if we were going to speak more generally about regular

0:50:01.760 --> 0:50:04.960
<v Speaker 2>I guess tour pros, I would work with first a player,

0:50:05.080 --> 0:50:07.319
<v Speaker 2>sit down them, learn who they are. Who are are

0:50:07.360 --> 0:50:09.120
<v Speaker 2>you going for it on eighteen or not? At toy

0:50:09.239 --> 0:50:11.239
<v Speaker 2>it's okay if you don't, it's okay if you don't.

0:50:11.600 --> 0:50:15.279
<v Speaker 2>And then working with Dave, working with him to identify

0:50:15.320 --> 0:50:17.520
<v Speaker 2>what are they doing in their swings, because I need

0:50:17.560 --> 0:50:20.680
<v Speaker 2>to understand what is the technique that they're trying to do.

0:50:21.040 --> 0:50:23.399
<v Speaker 2>And then my job is down the line of saying,

0:50:23.440 --> 0:50:25.520
<v Speaker 2>all right, let's make some fun games. Augusta is a

0:50:25.560 --> 0:50:29.200
<v Speaker 2>great example. Backfoot wedge on thirteen. You might need to

0:50:29.280 --> 0:50:31.120
<v Speaker 2>hit a backfoot edge on thirteen, not something that you

0:50:31.160 --> 0:50:33.719
<v Speaker 2>can do on a flat driving range. And so for

0:50:33.800 --> 0:50:36.520
<v Speaker 2>most people you go to a flat, you know, municipal

0:50:36.600 --> 0:50:38.799
<v Speaker 2>driving range, they don't have the opportunity to hit a

0:50:38.840 --> 0:50:42.000
<v Speaker 2>backfooter off of the rough or you know, hit balls

0:50:42.040 --> 0:50:44.160
<v Speaker 2>out of the wodship exactly, hit balls out of a

0:50:44.160 --> 0:50:47.640
<v Speaker 2>wood chips or you know, fair way bunkers, whatever it

0:50:47.760 --> 0:50:51.759
<v Speaker 2>might be. And so if you're listening at home, your

0:50:51.840 --> 0:50:54.640
<v Speaker 2>golf course could turn into a practice facility on the

0:50:54.719 --> 0:50:56.759
<v Speaker 2>rounds that you play by yourself. One of the things

0:50:56.760 --> 0:50:58.279
<v Speaker 2>that I do for all of our guys is we

0:50:58.320 --> 0:51:00.880
<v Speaker 2>look at their golf course and say, all right, the

0:51:00.960 --> 0:51:04.640
<v Speaker 2>first hole at Floridian, let's call it, it has a

0:51:04.680 --> 0:51:06.600
<v Speaker 2>fairway bunker left that how far do you think that

0:51:06.719 --> 0:51:07.040
<v Speaker 2>is in.

0:51:07.080 --> 0:51:12.000
<v Speaker 1>Probably from from the back tea, it's probably two eighty

0:51:12.080 --> 0:51:15.480
<v Speaker 1>to ninety. So, you know at our club at the Floridian,

0:51:15.560 --> 0:51:18.120
<v Speaker 1>it's a it's a pretty you know, it's a good

0:51:18.120 --> 0:51:21.040
<v Speaker 1>t ball bunker's right, Yeah, bunkers left, good ball. If

0:51:21.040 --> 0:51:23.320
<v Speaker 1>you've never played there before, you're trying to the first

0:51:23.400 --> 0:51:26.200
<v Speaker 1>question anybody asks if I take a player there is okay,

0:51:26.320 --> 0:51:28.600
<v Speaker 1>can I reach the bunkers? What's it to get into

0:51:28.640 --> 0:51:30.399
<v Speaker 1>the bunker on the right, what's it to get into

0:51:30.440 --> 0:51:31.200
<v Speaker 1>the bunker on the left?

0:51:31.280 --> 0:51:33.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So, if you're a player at home, number one

0:51:33.640 --> 0:51:35.840
<v Speaker 2>at the Floridian might be a great driving hole. So

0:51:35.920 --> 0:51:37.239
<v Speaker 2>the days that you're going to maybe go to the

0:51:37.320 --> 0:51:41.000
<v Speaker 2>driving range or maybe play, what if we reimagined until

0:51:41.000 --> 0:51:44.120
<v Speaker 2>we get places like the Grove, Floridian, Silver Leaf that

0:51:44.160 --> 0:51:48.000
<v Speaker 2>have these unbelievable world class practice facilities. If you reimagine

0:51:48.040 --> 0:51:52.600
<v Speaker 2>your golf course into a practice facility, that first hole

0:51:52.680 --> 0:51:55.200
<v Speaker 2>might be your driving focus and you could work on

0:51:55.480 --> 0:51:57.319
<v Speaker 2>maybe you hit two. Obviously this is assuming that you're

0:51:57.360 --> 0:51:59.960
<v Speaker 2>in the afternoon and not holding play up. You might

0:52:00.080 --> 0:52:02.160
<v Speaker 2>hit fairway bunkers out of the one on the left.

0:52:02.360 --> 0:52:04.640
<v Speaker 2>Then you might find a green. Say the second green

0:52:04.680 --> 0:52:07.760
<v Speaker 2>has a really good slope, you might work on putting

0:52:07.800 --> 0:52:10.879
<v Speaker 2>for an extra three minutes on that putting slope, Say

0:52:10.880 --> 0:52:13.239
<v Speaker 2>the third hole you find a chip shot and you

0:52:13.360 --> 0:52:16.040
<v Speaker 2>hit one extra chip shot from there. So now, if

0:52:16.120 --> 0:52:18.399
<v Speaker 2>you're playing alone, or if you're playing with one friend

0:52:18.400 --> 0:52:21.960
<v Speaker 2>who's motivated that eighteen whole round, look, you can't. The

0:52:22.000 --> 0:52:24.960
<v Speaker 2>thing that I think people mistake is every round can't

0:52:25.040 --> 0:52:27.880
<v Speaker 2>be your lowest round. It's not a thing. You're not

0:52:27.920 --> 0:52:31.439
<v Speaker 2>gonna shoot your lowest score every single day. Some days

0:52:31.440 --> 0:52:33.200
<v Speaker 2>are gonna have to be days that you work. Maybe

0:52:33.200 --> 0:52:35.640
<v Speaker 2>you use a half set, maybe you don't use a driver.

0:52:35.719 --> 0:52:37.080
<v Speaker 2>One of the most common things I do with our

0:52:37.120 --> 0:52:39.040
<v Speaker 2>guys is I take their driver in the three it away,

0:52:39.360 --> 0:52:41.799
<v Speaker 2>I make them hit irons. Why because then they have

0:52:41.800 --> 0:52:45.160
<v Speaker 2>to hit long irons into par fours, something that is uncomfortable,

0:52:45.640 --> 0:52:47.720
<v Speaker 2>especially for the guys who are playing in the wind.

0:52:47.880 --> 0:52:50.279
<v Speaker 2>In Florida. We're lucky here where it's windy, But for

0:52:50.400 --> 0:52:53.200
<v Speaker 2>my West Coast guys, Arizona guys, I mean Pooge. He

0:52:53.200 --> 0:52:56.880
<v Speaker 2>plays at the ASU two. They don't have wind, so

0:52:57.040 --> 0:52:59.160
<v Speaker 2>for him, hitting a four iron into a par four

0:52:59.239 --> 0:53:01.000
<v Speaker 2>is like all right, Hey, I gotta work at this.

0:53:01.360 --> 0:53:04.840
<v Speaker 2>They're hitting driver sixty driver, you know, fifty six into everything,

0:53:05.400 --> 0:53:09.360
<v Speaker 2>And so as you're thinking about practice, take the veil

0:53:09.480 --> 0:53:12.760
<v Speaker 2>off of every round has to be my lowest score.

0:53:13.400 --> 0:53:15.719
<v Speaker 2>Some days you can just improve and it might be

0:53:15.840 --> 0:53:17.919
<v Speaker 2>working on your extra putting. On every day on every

0:53:17.920 --> 0:53:19.839
<v Speaker 2>green you drop an extra ball and you just work

0:53:19.880 --> 0:53:21.439
<v Speaker 2>on lige putting. That's enough.

0:53:22.160 --> 0:53:25.560
<v Speaker 1>I think people would be surprised. I think most golfers

0:53:25.600 --> 0:53:29.600
<v Speaker 1>would would want to go out and watch players if

0:53:29.640 --> 0:53:32.200
<v Speaker 1>they could be inside the ropes. They would want to

0:53:32.239 --> 0:53:34.879
<v Speaker 1>watch them play a tournament round.

0:53:34.960 --> 0:53:35.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:53:35.239 --> 0:53:38.120
<v Speaker 1>What I think would be fascinating for the majority of

0:53:38.120 --> 0:53:41.160
<v Speaker 1>the people listening to the pod is would be to

0:53:41.200 --> 0:53:45.480
<v Speaker 1>come to a practice round. Yeah, specifically at a major chansonship, right,

0:53:46.040 --> 0:53:49.239
<v Speaker 1>and the ideal practice round if you were if you

0:53:49.280 --> 0:53:52.040
<v Speaker 1>were going to go watch and you were going to

0:53:52.080 --> 0:53:55.120
<v Speaker 1>try and learn something from a tour player, if you

0:53:55.120 --> 0:53:58.719
<v Speaker 1>could go inside the ropes and watch a player try

0:53:58.760 --> 0:54:03.520
<v Speaker 1>and prepare at Augusta Nash because that is such a specific

0:54:04.120 --> 0:54:09.360
<v Speaker 1>golf course for specific shots. So I think everybody you

0:54:09.400 --> 0:54:12.160
<v Speaker 1>would watch where they would go putt from, you would

0:54:12.200 --> 0:54:15.120
<v Speaker 1>watch where they would go chip from. You you would

0:54:15.200 --> 0:54:18.600
<v Speaker 1>watch what they would talk about off the tea with

0:54:18.719 --> 0:54:22.080
<v Speaker 1>their caddies saying, Okay, what are we going to hit here?

0:54:22.200 --> 0:54:26.759
<v Speaker 1>What is my strategy here? Right? That to me would

0:54:26.800 --> 0:54:32.799
<v Speaker 1>be a very very accelerated learning process totally for a

0:54:32.840 --> 0:54:34.520
<v Speaker 1>lot of for a lot of golfers.

0:54:34.600 --> 0:54:37.000
<v Speaker 2>I think if people could, people would learn so much

0:54:37.360 --> 0:54:39.880
<v Speaker 2>on the questions that they're asking. What are what are

0:54:39.880 --> 0:54:41.799
<v Speaker 2>the questions this golf course is asking me? And then

0:54:41.840 --> 0:54:44.120
<v Speaker 2>how am I answering them? The player's response?

0:54:44.680 --> 0:54:46.959
<v Speaker 1>And I said this last week in talking to Ryan,

0:54:47.000 --> 0:54:50.000
<v Speaker 1>we were talking on a similar theme. The majority of

0:54:50.080 --> 0:54:54.560
<v Speaker 1>people listening to this podcast do not play all their

0:54:54.560 --> 0:54:58.200
<v Speaker 1>golf at Oakmond. Sure, they don't play all of their

0:54:58.200 --> 0:55:04.800
<v Speaker 1>golf at these iconic, major style, tournament style golf courses.

0:55:05.040 --> 0:55:08.840
<v Speaker 1>They the majority of people, I think, play golf courses

0:55:08.840 --> 0:55:11.200
<v Speaker 1>that tend to be pretty flat, Yeah, a little rough

0:55:11.239 --> 0:55:16.440
<v Speaker 1>around the edges right there, fairways tend to be fairly wide. Sure,

0:55:16.800 --> 0:55:22.600
<v Speaker 1>the greens tend to be somewhat flat to maybe a

0:55:22.640 --> 0:55:23.440
<v Speaker 1>little bit slopey.

0:55:23.600 --> 0:55:24.400
<v Speaker 2>It's not world class.

0:55:24.480 --> 0:55:28.160
<v Speaker 1>The greens are not running at thirteen or right. So

0:55:28.239 --> 0:55:31.360
<v Speaker 1>if if you think about the golf course that you

0:55:31.560 --> 0:55:36.560
<v Speaker 1>play all the time, and you're trying to break eighty ninety,

0:55:36.640 --> 0:55:40.319
<v Speaker 1>one hundred for the first time. You can gamify your

0:55:40.400 --> 0:55:44.080
<v Speaker 1>practice based off of the golf course that you play.

0:55:44.320 --> 0:55:45.399
<v Speaker 2>You play which is.

0:55:45.440 --> 0:55:49.839
<v Speaker 1>Not tucked pins three from the left, three from the back,

0:55:50.400 --> 0:55:54.160
<v Speaker 1>and there's a ton of slope and the fairways ten

0:55:54.280 --> 0:55:57.319
<v Speaker 1>yards wide and if you miss the fairway you're making

0:55:57.600 --> 0:55:58.879
<v Speaker 1>X like you see on.

0:55:58.920 --> 0:56:00.359
<v Speaker 2>TV, yah ches highright, whatever.

0:56:00.640 --> 0:56:04.080
<v Speaker 1>So you can look at your own golf course and say, Okay,

0:56:04.719 --> 0:56:08.799
<v Speaker 1>what questions does my golf course at home that I

0:56:08.960 --> 0:56:12.520
<v Speaker 1>play the majority of my golf what questions is it

0:56:12.560 --> 0:56:13.000
<v Speaker 1>asking me?

0:56:13.040 --> 0:56:15.400
<v Speaker 2>One hundred percent? And you have a fascinating thing about

0:56:15.440 --> 0:56:19.120
<v Speaker 2>breaking the number because when people ask me that about

0:56:19.160 --> 0:56:22.759
<v Speaker 2>breaking eighty or ninety or one hundred, whatever it might be,

0:56:23.200 --> 0:56:25.440
<v Speaker 2>and I say to them, Ken McDonald and Arizona is

0:56:25.440 --> 0:56:29.319
<v Speaker 2>a municipal I bet you can break eighty there. It's

0:56:29.440 --> 0:56:33.600
<v Speaker 2>wide open, it's flat, it's easy. But the question comes

0:56:33.680 --> 0:56:36.319
<v Speaker 2>down to, like you said, your own golf course. I

0:56:36.360 --> 0:56:38.359
<v Speaker 2>play a course down here called Locks of Hagi Club

0:56:38.480 --> 0:56:41.359
<v Speaker 2>requires a lot of two irons for me really uncomfortable.

0:56:41.640 --> 0:56:44.879
<v Speaker 2>There's shots there that I don't have elsewhere that if

0:56:44.920 --> 0:56:47.440
<v Speaker 2>I played that club every day, I would need to

0:56:47.480 --> 0:56:49.799
<v Speaker 2>get a seven wood because there's par fives that I

0:56:49.920 --> 0:56:52.920
<v Speaker 2>need to hit it high into. But for the tournament golfer,

0:56:52.960 --> 0:56:54.839
<v Speaker 2>the thing that amazes me the most about the high

0:56:54.920 --> 0:56:59.200
<v Speaker 2>level player. I'm a pretty decent player myself, but I

0:56:59.280 --> 0:57:01.320
<v Speaker 2>need to have seen in a place a few times

0:57:01.360 --> 0:57:03.880
<v Speaker 2>to understand the strategy to you know, where do I

0:57:03.960 --> 0:57:05.719
<v Speaker 2>hit it? The best players in the world to show

0:57:05.800 --> 0:57:08.280
<v Speaker 2>up and shoot sixty five. It is just a different

0:57:08.800 --> 0:57:10.759
<v Speaker 2>It's a different game. And for those of you listening

0:57:10.800 --> 0:57:13.719
<v Speaker 2>at home, that's okay. If you're not that guy. You

0:57:13.840 --> 0:57:16.680
<v Speaker 2>shooting seventy five in your club championship might be your goal.

0:57:17.440 --> 0:57:20.919
<v Speaker 2>That might be your process goal. Your outcome goal might

0:57:20.960 --> 0:57:22.560
<v Speaker 2>be breaking eighty. You know what you should do. Go

0:57:22.600 --> 0:57:25.680
<v Speaker 2>play the easiest course you can do, shoot seventy nine

0:57:25.720 --> 0:57:27.440
<v Speaker 2>and you did it. Does that mean you broke eighty.

0:57:27.600 --> 0:57:30.520
<v Speaker 2>It's your own decision, right, That's that's that kind of interesting.

0:57:31.200 --> 0:57:32.720
<v Speaker 2>I talk a lot about with our guys, and we

0:57:32.760 --> 0:57:36.439
<v Speaker 2>can talk about it about process and outcome goals. In outcome goals,

0:57:36.440 --> 0:57:39.880
<v Speaker 2>I want to break eighty. Is that a good goal? Maybe?

0:57:40.520 --> 0:57:42.400
<v Speaker 2>But I want to break eighty at my home course.

0:57:42.560 --> 0:57:45.200
<v Speaker 2>Me shooting eighty at Bayhill this year when the greens

0:57:45.200 --> 0:57:48.000
<v Speaker 2>were you know, thirteen in rock Hard, that'd have been

0:57:48.040 --> 0:57:50.320
<v Speaker 2>a hell of a round. Me shooting eighty at my

0:57:50.360 --> 0:57:52.640
<v Speaker 2>home club here, Hey man, I'm not losing all the

0:57:52.680 --> 0:57:56.360
<v Speaker 2>money like I am having a tough day, right, So

0:57:56.400 --> 0:57:58.960
<v Speaker 2>that's an important thing that I think people should differentiate

0:57:59.080 --> 0:58:02.880
<v Speaker 2>as well their own games. Score is important, but you

0:58:02.880 --> 0:58:04.120
<v Speaker 2>want to enjoy the game and play it for a

0:58:04.160 --> 0:58:04.600
<v Speaker 2>long time.

0:58:09.400 --> 0:58:14.000
<v Speaker 1>Give me some gamified practice ideas for someone trying to

0:58:14.000 --> 0:58:16.520
<v Speaker 1>break one hundred for the first time, someone trying to

0:58:16.560 --> 0:58:19.360
<v Speaker 1>break ninety for the first time, someone trying to break

0:58:19.480 --> 0:58:21.720
<v Speaker 1>eighty for the first time. So if you're trying to

0:58:21.760 --> 0:58:25.840
<v Speaker 1>break one hundred for the first time and you love golf,

0:58:26.160 --> 0:58:30.200
<v Speaker 1>you're practicing golf, you're trying to improve. What are some

0:58:30.360 --> 0:58:33.640
<v Speaker 1>good practice games that you can play on the range

0:58:34.320 --> 0:58:37.280
<v Speaker 1>at your home course, regardless whether you're hitting off of

0:58:37.320 --> 0:58:40.040
<v Speaker 1>a mat, regardless of what the driving range looks like.

0:58:40.160 --> 0:58:41.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I have a few, And this kind of

0:58:41.960 --> 0:58:43.800
<v Speaker 2>goes into our takeaway as I want people to walk

0:58:43.800 --> 0:58:47.280
<v Speaker 2>away with Number one. You have to self assess human beings.

0:58:47.280 --> 0:58:50.160
<v Speaker 2>Because of our egos, were not very good self assessors.

0:58:50.280 --> 0:58:53.040
<v Speaker 2>We protect ourselves. When I first started with doctor Kevin Moore,

0:58:53.400 --> 0:58:55.680
<v Speaker 2>we went through my numbers and I found out as

0:58:55.680 --> 0:58:58.360
<v Speaker 2>a terrible wedge player. That didn't feel good. When I

0:58:58.360 --> 0:59:01.560
<v Speaker 2>started doing wedge tests, sucked and it didn't feel good.

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<v Speaker 2>I was I'm not a bad wedge player. I make

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<v Speaker 2>six birdies around? Why I make six berties? I drive

0:59:05.400 --> 0:59:07.520
<v Speaker 2>four par fours? You know, like it's not this isn't

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<v Speaker 2>a thing, right, So Number one, you have to self

0:59:10.200 --> 0:59:13.520
<v Speaker 2>assess what are you good at? Why can't you break

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<v Speaker 2>a hundred? Darren may our friend down at the Grove,

0:59:16.640 --> 0:59:20.200
<v Speaker 2>amazing guy, works with Keegan the Grove guys. He has

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<v Speaker 2>one of the best things. How far do you hit

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<v Speaker 2>a driver? Distance right now, whether you want to deal

0:59:24.760 --> 0:59:27.440
<v Speaker 2>with it or not, is a predictor of golf success.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's a first question. Do I hit it far

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<v Speaker 2>enough to compete? And I'm not talking about three point fifty,

0:59:33.120 --> 0:59:35.000
<v Speaker 2>not that many guys hit it three fifty and even

0:59:35.080 --> 0:59:37.120
<v Speaker 2>less guys hit it three fifty in play. If I'm

0:59:37.120 --> 0:59:39.040
<v Speaker 2>an amateur golfer trying to break a hundred, can I

0:59:39.120 --> 0:59:41.440
<v Speaker 2>hit it too forty in play? Can I hit a

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<v Speaker 2>driver two hundred and forty yards in the air.

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<v Speaker 1>Which if you're trying to break one hundred for the

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<v Speaker 1>first time, if you could carry a driver, you are

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<v Speaker 1>Rory McElroy. You're elite, you are eight Do you are

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<v Speaker 1>from a distance? Oh my goodness, you are in hammer

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<v Speaker 1>it right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think most golfers that are trying to break a

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<v Speaker 1>hundred for the first time, if they could consistently carry

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<v Speaker 1>the golf bowl two hundred games in the air, it

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<v Speaker 1>would be a game.

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<v Speaker 2>Change, life changer. So number one, you self assess and

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<v Speaker 2>if you don't, if you're not able to self assess,

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<v Speaker 2>ask a friend. One of the things I do with

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<v Speaker 2>all my tour guys I play with all of them,

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<v Speaker 2>I ask them about my own game. Peer review is

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<v Speaker 2>something I took from the Navy seal teams. They peer

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<v Speaker 2>review and it sucks. Tring told me, I love cameradge Golly.

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<v Speaker 2>One of my guys he said to me, to day

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<v Speaker 2>goes your three wood stinks and that I looked at

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<v Speaker 2>him and I went, wow, my threewood does stink. I

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<v Speaker 2>hit it in the water all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're asking the people that you play with on

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<v Speaker 1>a regular basis, Hey, you and I play every Saturday together,

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<v Speaker 1>play together.

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>What am I good at?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>And what am I bad at?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? What do you see in my game?

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<v Speaker 1>You watch me play all the time. We've got a

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<v Speaker 1>Saturday game.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey.

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<v Speaker 1>You and I've known each other for five, six, ten years,

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<v Speaker 1>however long we play every Saturday at the club. Tell

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<v Speaker 1>me what I'm good at. They tell me what I'm bad.

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<v Speaker 2>And maybe they're a bad maybe they're a bad cess

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<v Speaker 2>or too. So there's a million stats programs out there.

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<v Speaker 2>You can pick whichever one you want. You don't need

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<v Speaker 2>to keep stats. You can if you'd like. That's an

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<v Speaker 2>easy way to do it. It'll give you an objective

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<v Speaker 2>view of I'm an eighteen handicap. Here's my strokes gained.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't need to do it, you can do it. Then,

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<v Speaker 2>once you know what you're good at, then you have

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<v Speaker 2>to ask yourself how much time am I willing to

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<v Speaker 2>put in? Look, you're a dad, you have kids, You

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<v Speaker 2>have a family. If I'm a father who has two

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<v Speaker 2>kids and works forty hours a week and I'm trying

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<v Speaker 2>to be a loving husband, I'm probably not going to

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<v Speaker 2>be at the range six days a week, am I? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I hope you're I hope you're not. You know what

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<v Speaker 2>I mean. But you can ask yourself. When I was

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<v Speaker 2>doing my doctorate, I had thirty minutes. Some days I

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<v Speaker 2>had a lunch break. I brought a putter. I put

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<v Speaker 2>a putting mat in my office and I would sit

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<v Speaker 2>there and I would roll putts for thirty minutes. That's

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<v Speaker 2>what I would do. So then you have to sit

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<v Speaker 2>there and you have to say to yourself, Okay, what

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<v Speaker 2>can I do with the time that I have? And

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<v Speaker 2>you talked about expectations, be realistic. I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 2>be world number one this year, probably never in my life.

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<v Speaker 2>That's okay. What are my real, clear process and outcome goals.

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<v Speaker 2>My outcome goal might be I want to qualify from

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<v Speaker 2>the City Amateur. Great goal, fantastic goal, you got to

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<v Speaker 2>shoot seventy seven, you know, whatever it is. My process

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<v Speaker 2>would then be, in order to qualify for the City Amateur.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm a father and I got two kids, I

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<v Speaker 2>got to ask my wife if she'd watch the kids

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<v Speaker 2>for an hour once a week so I can get

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<v Speaker 2>to the driving range and I can get that extra

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<v Speaker 2>hour in, take her on a date, get you know,

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<v Speaker 2>bring home ice cream, do something, process and outcome. And

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<v Speaker 2>then finally, it's really just learning to play the game.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't mean on Instagram watching golf tips. My

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<v Speaker 2>dad love the guy to death, great father. He's an

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen handicap who watches more golf tips than any human

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<v Speaker 2>being on the planet. Dude, the guy has more sets

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<v Speaker 2>of clubs. He shows up, he's gonna, you know, screw

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<v Speaker 2>in the light bulb and then squish the bug. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, Dad, you know why you're an eighteen handicap,

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<v Speaker 2>I said, because you think you carry it two forty

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<v Speaker 2>and he carries it two zero five. That's why. Because

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<v Speaker 2>he thinks he can fly the bunker on the right,

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<v Speaker 2>he can't. He swings hard and he quack hooks one

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<v Speaker 2>into the water. So it's understanding your gain and more importantly,

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<v Speaker 2>your goals. Your goals don't need to be being world

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<v Speaker 2>number one. Your goals can be being the best player

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<v Speaker 2>you can be, whatever that means for you, and setting

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<v Speaker 2>those clear process goals processes everything to me. Obviously, this

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<v Speaker 2>is what I do. You don't need to buy golf blueprint.

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<v Speaker 2>You can, if you'd like, create a plan for yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>Claude talked about it. Hey, here are the shots that

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<v Speaker 2>my golf course needs. I want to break ninety. I

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<v Speaker 2>know I got to hit that five wood on the

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<v Speaker 2>twelfth hole. That makes me uncomfortable. Spend ten minutes at

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<v Speaker 2>your practice session hitting that five wood. Have a plan

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<v Speaker 2>showing up to the range so that when you're there,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have the cognitive fatigue, which is so real

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<v Speaker 2>in golf. If trying to plan what do I do next?

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<v Speaker 2>The guy next to him's hitting driver. He's hitting it

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<v Speaker 2>pretty far, man, I bet I could hit it farther him. Okay, fine,

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<v Speaker 2>But is that your everyday plan? Is my question.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm fascinated every year here in the US Hard Knocks,

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<v Speaker 1>which is on HBO, which talks you know, it follows

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<v Speaker 1>a US football team and goes through their spring training

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm always fascinated that, you know, I was watching

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<v Speaker 1>it the other night, and this year it's on the

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<v Speaker 1>New York Jets. And they played the first game preseason, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>and they played terrible, and the coach, the head coach

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<v Speaker 1>came in and said, we didn't play our brand of football.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the next game they went out and won

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<v Speaker 1>a preseason game, and the coach came in and said,

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<v Speaker 1>that was who we are we played our brand of football?

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<v Speaker 1>I think everybody can look at their own game and say, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>what do I need to do? What does my game?

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<v Speaker 1>What am I good at?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>What am I not good at? Okay? And what can

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<v Speaker 1>I do today when I go out on the golf

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<v Speaker 1>course to play my brand of golf? What is called

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<v Speaker 1>your everybody listening will there? Everybody's game is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be different. Everyone has different strengths and weaknesses. So identifying, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>what am I good at? What am I not good at?

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<v Speaker 1>If I am good at something, play towards those strengths.

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<v Speaker 1>We all look at I think Niko, we all look

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<v Speaker 1>at John Ram's trying to turn weaknesses into strengths. Absolutely right,

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<v Speaker 1>Rory McElroy. The elite players are saying, okay, where am

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<v Speaker 1>I deficient? Tiger was the best at that. Tiger was

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<v Speaker 1>when when he turned pro. I watched for ten years

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<v Speaker 1>at a ringsight. See, Tiger was a shit wedge player.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a terrible bunker player. Tiger turned all of

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<v Speaker 1>the weaknesses into strengths. That's really hard for a twenty

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<v Speaker 1>handicapper because they don't have a lot of strengths. So

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<v Speaker 1>find out the things that you're good at sure, Right,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not talking that you have to be an elite level,

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<v Speaker 1>but you're gonna look at your game and say, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>there is going to be some part of my game, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>as a twenty handicapper that stands out more than the others,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever that strength is, and then do everything you can

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<v Speaker 1>do to play to that strength.

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<v Speaker 2>My girlfriend as a med student in tennis pro, she's

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<v Speaker 2>learning to play golf. She loves hitting driver. You know

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<v Speaker 2>what we do at the driving range, we hit drivers.

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<v Speaker 2>She loves hitting driver. So we get on par four,

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<v Speaker 2>She's like, I can make a par She's so excited

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<v Speaker 2>to play part fours and par five's because she's like,

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<v Speaker 2>I can hit part three the worst. Right, hates part three's,

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<v Speaker 2>but like he is up there on a par five.

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<v Speaker 2>She made a birdie a couple of weeks ago and

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<v Speaker 2>it was the best day ever. Her making a birdie

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<v Speaker 2>on a par five was that it was more elation

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<v Speaker 2>than I feel, you know, making a hole in one.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure it's it's it's it's it's relative to your level.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that people at home need to understand that.

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<v Speaker 2>Watching the guys play on tour on perfect manicured greens

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<v Speaker 2>that roll out of twelve every week with physios and teams. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>you and I work on the teams. We know what

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<v Speaker 2>these guys have behind us. Joe who works as a

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<v Speaker 2>computer sales you know it guy and then goes out

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<v Speaker 2>and plays a Saturday game, isn't getting massage and chiropractic

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<v Speaker 2>And you know you're not on the range behind him, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>hey man, you're you know, one degree inside.

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<v Speaker 1>To me, the low hanging fruit for people trying to

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<v Speaker 1>break one hundred, ninety to eighty, Like you said, that's

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<v Speaker 1>such an arbitrary goal, right if you're trying to break

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred for the first time, if you're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>break ninety, try and play an entire eighteen hole round

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<v Speaker 1>of golf. And the goal is, I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 1>make a triple bogey.

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<v Speaker 2>Today, perfect goal.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to make amazing a triple bogey.

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<v Speaker 2>To love that goal.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm if I make a double bogie fus, if I

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<v Speaker 1>make bogie Stunes. But what I'm not going to do

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<v Speaker 1>today is make a triple making ten. I'm not going

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<v Speaker 1>to make X. Yeah right, great, and just say listen,

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<v Speaker 1>and I say this all the time. The easiest way

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<v Speaker 1>for the for the majority of golfers to achieve their

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<v Speaker 1>score goals, breaking one hundred, breaking eight, breaking ninety eighty,

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<v Speaker 1>even breaking seventy, is to make more pars and bogie,

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<v Speaker 1>not birdies. Yes, everyone thinks the one hundred shooter thinks

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to break a hundred if I make more birdiees.

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta make six birdies.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not going to make a lot of birdies if

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<v Speaker 1>you're shooting consistently in the hundreds. So maybe the goal

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<v Speaker 1>would be to say, hey, if I can play eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>holes today and I can give myself more than one

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<v Speaker 1>look today at making a legit.

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<v Speaker 2>Birdie, Dude, if you hit three gi rs, amazing, three looks,

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<v Speaker 2>you might have great, great question, What is a legitimate

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<v Speaker 2>look at bertie at that level? If you have a

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<v Speaker 2>twenty foot birdie putt, you are flushing it amazing for you.

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<v Speaker 2>The difference that I learned and I learned competitive golf

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<v Speaker 2>in pro golf because I never played amateur golf, I

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<v Speaker 2>never played youth golf, high school, off whatever. Pros are

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<v Speaker 2>really good at making pars and bogie. When you think

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to make a double, they make a five.

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<v Speaker 2>When you think they're gonna make bogie. They find a

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<v Speaker 2>way to make the seven footer for par. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>making eight birdies around. Yes, when guys shoot sixty two,

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<v Speaker 2>when they have the heater going, they're going to make

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<v Speaker 2>everything insighte.

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<v Speaker 1>Look at the reaction next time you watch a tour event,

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<v Speaker 1>and look at the reaction when someone holds a ten

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<v Speaker 1>footer for Park versus the ten foot birdie pot Sure

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<v Speaker 1>the reaction is very different. You will see people make

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<v Speaker 1>the ten footer for Birdie and basically show no emotion.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you will see someone with a downhill left

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<v Speaker 1>to right putt for par on tour on the back

1:09:40.960 --> 1:09:43.839
<v Speaker 1>nine to keep the round going, and the body language

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<v Speaker 1>and the fist pump will be very different. And the

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<v Speaker 1>interaction between when the player goes over to the caddy,

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<v Speaker 1>the fist pump, the high five, the slap on the

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<v Speaker 1>back for the ten footer for par is very different

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<v Speaker 1>than the ten footer for Birdie.

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<v Speaker 2>The loss of version theory, it's literally what you're just driving.

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<v Speaker 2>Loss of version theory. Human beings want to not lose

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<v Speaker 2>more than they want to win, and so making the

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<v Speaker 2>birdies good but not making bogies even better. Fascinating research

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<v Speaker 2>study out there. I'm sure someone can look it up.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you tell someone a six footers for par

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<v Speaker 2>versus six footer for birdie, the make rate is different,

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<v Speaker 2>same putt, same as if you tell someone a par

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<v Speaker 2>four is a par five. Bryson had a fascinating thing

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<v Speaker 2>about calling Augusta a par sixty seven, and he got

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<v Speaker 2>roasted for it. He got crushed for it, but it

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<v Speaker 2>was an interesting concept. Him saying to himself, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>par sixty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Changing his didn't help that he missed the cut.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't help me miss the cut, and obviously it didn't

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<v Speaker 2>work out, you know whatever. Bryson has some fascinating theories,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was it was an interesting idea by saying, look,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm preparing myself today. If you're playing a Monday qualifier

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<v Speaker 2>and you're a you know, corn fairy guy, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>par sixty five.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if you if you shoot four under your good life,

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<v Speaker 1>you might as if you're four under truck, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>if you're four understanding on the eighteenth hole, you're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to Monday qualifier for a PGA Tour event, hold it.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of the time you're either gonna hold it, or

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<v Speaker 1>you know that if you make par, it's over. You've

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<v Speaker 1>shot four under and you've got no chance.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. That's the thing that like playing professional golf Monday qualifiers.

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<v Speaker 2>It's such a unique skill versus as you and I

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<v Speaker 2>are talking about the average golfer who's listening to this podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>It's ninety nine point nine percent of golfers. That's golf.

1:11:24.840 --> 1:11:27.960
<v Speaker 2>The professional golf is such a niche, little game of

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<v Speaker 2>margins and freak athletes with skill. The average golfer listening

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<v Speaker 2>at home, listen to what Claude said, Right, don't make

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<v Speaker 2>triple in your break one hundred. That's what it is,

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<v Speaker 2>my girlfriend, don't four putt? I love you, please three putt,

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<v Speaker 2>make the three footer for your third putt.

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<v Speaker 1>If you go back and you look at your round,

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<v Speaker 1>you will look at something in your round and go,

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<v Speaker 1>man if I just don't do that, I actually didn't

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<v Speaker 1>really play that bad today, regardless of what your handicapped.

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't matter, right, doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 1>You will look at a stretch of holes where you

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<v Speaker 1>say to yourself, man if I just bogey all those holes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I go saving six shots right there right there by

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<v Speaker 1>just making bogies, not making doubles, not making triples.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Lastly, Nico, I mean we could talk for three hours

1:12:18.360 --> 1:12:21.880
<v Speaker 1>on this golf blueprint dot com. If people want to

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<v Speaker 1>get better, tell me what you've designed, what they get,

1:12:28.479 --> 1:12:32.080
<v Speaker 1>and what the object of Golf Blueprint is four players totally.

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<v Speaker 2>So the number one thing I would say to everybody

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<v Speaker 2>is follow the Instagram. And the reason is I I

1:12:37.240 --> 1:12:39.360
<v Speaker 2>claud season every day. I post every single day what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm learning. So no matter what the research is, if

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<v Speaker 2>I have a tour pro, if I have just what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm learning, I give away all that information for free.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't charge for that. That to me is really

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<v Speaker 2>important that someone might not be able to afford golf

1:12:52.720 --> 1:12:55.280
<v Speaker 2>Blueprint right now. And I understand that it's expensive. I

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<v Speaker 2>have two plans. One of them's forty dollars a month,

1:12:57.680 --> 1:13:00.559
<v Speaker 2>the other one's one hundred. We're always working to make

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<v Speaker 2>it better. But if you sign up for that, if

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<v Speaker 2>you sign up for the one hundred dollars plan, it's

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<v Speaker 2>called the Players, you'll get a customized practice plan based

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<v Speaker 2>on our algorithm. And then the classic plan, which is

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<v Speaker 2>forty is our algorithm's best guess. That's the best way

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<v Speaker 2>to describe it. The tour business is an entirely other thing.

1:13:16.800 --> 1:13:18.679
<v Speaker 2>If you play on the PDA Tour and you work

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<v Speaker 2>with Claude, great, But I don't work with other players,

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<v Speaker 2>if that makes sense. But for the average person at home,

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<v Speaker 2>I would say, you don't need to buy anything today

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<v Speaker 2>to get better right now this afternoon, I hope you

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<v Speaker 2>listen to this, and I hope you took away Claude

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<v Speaker 2>andize takeaways on how to improve for free. Those don't

1:13:34.600 --> 1:13:37.080
<v Speaker 2>cost you any money. Going to the driving range with

1:13:37.120 --> 1:13:39.960
<v Speaker 2>a plan costs you nothing. All you need to do

1:13:40.040 --> 1:13:41.960
<v Speaker 2>is think about your golf course, think about the way

1:13:42.000 --> 1:13:44.400
<v Speaker 2>you play the game, and more importantly, how you want

1:13:44.400 --> 1:13:47.880
<v Speaker 2>to play the game. That's hugely important. If you want

1:13:47.880 --> 1:13:50.160
<v Speaker 2>to play the game like Bryson, do it. If you

1:13:50.160 --> 1:13:52.720
<v Speaker 2>want to hit irons like Tommy Fleetwood do it. If

1:13:52.760 --> 1:13:55.240
<v Speaker 2>you want to hit you know, bunker shots like Tech,

1:13:55.320 --> 1:13:57.920
<v Speaker 2>whatever it might be that's going to keep you coming

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<v Speaker 2>back and keep the game engaging. Golf is meant to

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<v Speaker 2>be fun, and I think that sometimes amateurs forget that

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<v Speaker 2>you might've shot seventy five one time and that's incredible.

1:14:08.280 --> 1:14:10.120
<v Speaker 2>Just because you shot eighty to day doesn't it's not

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<v Speaker 2>a bad round.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I think that in looking at you know,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously you and I have talked a lot about what

1:14:17.360 --> 1:14:19.280
<v Speaker 1>golf flue print does. I think what it does is

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<v Speaker 1>it gives people another element of their practice to say, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I've worked on my technique today. Sure, there's only so

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<v Speaker 1>much in an hour from a technique standpoint that you

1:14:34.240 --> 1:14:38.080
<v Speaker 1>can make gains. Right, Absolutely, Obviously, practicing is like going

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<v Speaker 1>to the gym. Right, if you're trying to lose weight,

1:14:40.640 --> 1:14:42.439
<v Speaker 1>if you put the time in, got to do it,

1:14:42.560 --> 1:14:45.160
<v Speaker 1>you will. If you're trying to lose weight and you

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<v Speaker 1>go to the gym five days a week, you will

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<v Speaker 1>see improvement. Sure, right by just going by just doing

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<v Speaker 1>show up, show up, will you will see some games.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think the games that I think everyone listening

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<v Speaker 1>can can benefit from is saying, Okay, I've done my

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<v Speaker 1>technical work today. I've worked on the technique aspect of

1:15:10.120 --> 1:15:13.920
<v Speaker 1>my game. Now let me go spend some time on

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<v Speaker 1>playing playing golf, playing on you know, a jungle gym,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the driving range. Your driving range could be

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<v Speaker 1>the equivalent of going to a park and seeing a

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<v Speaker 1>jungle gym and saying, Okay, I'm going to play on

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<v Speaker 1>the jungle gym. Yes, but then I'm also got two

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<v Speaker 1>of my friends, So now we're going to see who

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<v Speaker 1>can climb to the top of the jungle gym the

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<v Speaker 1>fastest or take the most difficult route to go. You're

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<v Speaker 1>learning so much. One of the most fascinating things that

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<v Speaker 1>really changed for me learning is I was at a

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<v Speaker 1>TPI seminar with Greg Rose and he was talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, failure as being a big part of the

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<v Speaker 1>learning process, have to fail. And he was talking and

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<v Speaker 1>so he said, to any he said, we see this

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<v Speaker 1>with kids. He said, anybody in the room have very

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<v Speaker 1>young kids just learning to walk, and they raise you know,

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<v Speaker 1>people raise their hands and he says, okay, did anybody

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<v Speaker 1>in the room's child go from crawling one day to

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<v Speaker 1>just standing up and walking and didn't fall? Sure, And

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<v Speaker 1>someone will invariably, very proudly raise their hand and say, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>my son, little Timmy just got up one day and

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<v Speaker 1>started walking.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll never forget this. You know what Greg Grove said,

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<v Speaker 1>Knock him down, because if he doesn't learn how to

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<v Speaker 1>stand up, get his balance, then fall down, then learn

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<v Speaker 1>how to get and figure out how to pull himself

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<v Speaker 1>back up. That is a massive part about learning how

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<v Speaker 1>to walk, and he was saying that all of the

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<v Speaker 1>studies they show kids that just wake up one day

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<v Speaker 1>and start walking tend to be in later life vastly

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<v Speaker 1>uncoordinated because they never learned the struggle of getting up.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think what you've come up with is a

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<v Speaker 1>way that people can say, Okay, I've figured out I'm

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<v Speaker 1>working on these singles going to work. We're always going

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<v Speaker 1>to be working on parts of your technique. You can

1:17:16.720 --> 1:17:20.800
<v Speaker 1>always drive it better, Yes, you can always groove your

1:17:21.000 --> 1:17:25.160
<v Speaker 1>path more into out than out to in. But then

1:17:25.200 --> 1:17:28.360
<v Speaker 1>you have to spend some time saying, Okay, I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>hundred handicapper, I'm trying to break a hundred. I'm trying

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<v Speaker 1>to break ninety. Let me put myself in game situations

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<v Speaker 1>that are going to help me do that.

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<v Speaker 2>And more importantly, be willing to fail. Yeah, Claude, I

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<v Speaker 2>fail every single day. I fail every single day at

1:17:44.000 --> 1:17:46.600
<v Speaker 2>the driving range because if I wasn't, i'd be the

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<v Speaker 2>number one player in the world, and the number one

1:17:48.360 --> 1:17:50.640
<v Speaker 2>player in the world. You and I both work with

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<v Speaker 2>these guys. They're failing everything, fail all the time. I

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<v Speaker 2>am willing to fail because I'm willing to learn, And

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<v Speaker 2>as you said about the child, that kid is learning

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<v Speaker 2>how to learn, and they're learning how they walk, how

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<v Speaker 2>they crawl, how they fall, how they get back up.

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<v Speaker 2>And I love the idea of the jungle gym. Look

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<v Speaker 2>at the way a kid looks at the jungle gym

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<v Speaker 2>versus how you and I do. What do we see

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<v Speaker 2>when we look at that? I look at a golf

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<v Speaker 2>driving range as the kid in the jungle gym. I

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<v Speaker 2>look at it with endless possibilities. It doesn't matter where

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<v Speaker 2>it is. I go to different driving ranges every day

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<v Speaker 2>on purpose to just look at them differently. As how

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<v Speaker 2>do I, like you said, how do I make this

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<v Speaker 2>more difficult? Hit Ball's out of dibots, you flush it,

1:18:28.040 --> 1:18:29.960
<v Speaker 2>hip Ball's out of divts, hip ball's off the dirt.

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<v Speaker 2>It's fricking hard, you know learning, it's learning, And more importantly,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that people need to be kinder to themselves

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<v Speaker 2>when you're learning a new skill. I am constantly trying

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<v Speaker 2>to be a beginner. I recently restarted jiu jitsu. I'm

1:18:42.200 --> 1:18:44.880
<v Speaker 2>a white belt. I am out of shape. I get

1:18:45.000 --> 1:18:49.040
<v Speaker 2>choked out constantly. I'm the big you know, doctor Nico

1:18:49.080 --> 1:18:51.400
<v Speaker 2>Darris at the golf course, you know, country club guy.

1:18:51.920 --> 1:18:53.759
<v Speaker 2>And then I go to jiu jitsu and I'm just Nico,

1:18:54.040 --> 1:18:55.960
<v Speaker 2>the white belt who doesn't know you know how to

1:18:56.000 --> 1:18:58.920
<v Speaker 2>do any moves. It's important because I'm learning how to

1:18:59.000 --> 1:19:02.679
<v Speaker 2>learn again. I'm learning how to fail and being okay

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<v Speaker 2>with that. The day that I stop failing is the

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<v Speaker 2>day that I stopped learning.

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<v Speaker 1>He goes, like I said, we could spend the next

1:19:09.040 --> 1:19:11.320
<v Speaker 1>ten hours doing this podcast and talking about it. We'll

1:19:11.320 --> 1:19:14.479
<v Speaker 1>get you back on again. Thanks golfflueprint dot com. Check

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