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Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butch podcast. We come to

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Speaker 1: you every Wednesday. My guest today Nico Daris Blueprint golf

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Speaker 1: blueprint dot Com. Talk to me about what that is.

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Speaker 1: We'll get into your background, because I think the background

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Speaker 1: you've got coming into golf as a sport is very different.

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Speaker 1: But golf blueprint dot Com, what is it and why

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Speaker 1: is it?

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Speaker 2: So? Great question? First of all, thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate you, longtime listener, first time, first time being here.

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Speaker 2: And as I was driving up here, I was thinking

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Speaker 2: about what is golf Blueprint? So Golf Blueprint is really

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Speaker 2: the ethos of my golf journey, of the relentless pursuit

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Speaker 2: of better and me needing to get better in a

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Speaker 2: short amount of time. Like you said, I didn't come

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Speaker 2: the journey of how I went from having never played

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Speaker 2: golf at twenty three to now at thirty working in

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Speaker 2: golf and journey along the way of my education and

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Speaker 2: my background and creating dialed in practice plans because some

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Speaker 2: days I only had thirty minutes, some days I had

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Speaker 2: thirty five minutes, some days I had forty minutes and

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Speaker 2: I needed to get better to close the gap on

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Speaker 2: the people that I was playing against in a really

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Speaker 2: I didn't have the resources to do that at that time.

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Speaker 2: So I needed to find an academic way that I

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Speaker 1: Your background, like you said, you're not a golfer. Talk

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Speaker 1: to me about your background. You were a baseball player,

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Speaker 2: So growing up as a kid, when I was I

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Speaker 2: not so nice moms came up to my mom and said,

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Speaker 2: why do you insist on dressing your son in a

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Speaker 2: So when I was a kid, it was all I

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Speaker 2: That was very much my mentality as a kid. I

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Speaker 2: just wanted to play baseball every day, all day. That's

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Speaker 2: And so one day, you know, at twenty two, everything

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Speaker 1: That's I mean, I think so many people have. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I mean, there are just so many people that have

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Speaker 1: and there are so many people that injury causes so

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Speaker 1: think that people realize, you know, not only in golf,

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Speaker 1: weren't you know. Tom Brady's a great example. Tom Brady

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my golf story is very unique, and I'll give

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Speaker 2: Totally totally so as I said. As a kid, something

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Speaker 2: then to get into my doctorate. My doctorate is an education.

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Speaker 2: I studied specifically learning theory and how people can optimize

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Speaker 1: And that's where I think so many people. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think everybody believes that the way they're going to

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Speaker 1: something that I talk about and I think it's one

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Speaker 1: Dave Phillips was like, You've got to meet Nico because

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Speaker 1: I say this all the time. If golf was being

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Speaker 1: judged on your technique, Nellie Corda would win it a

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Speaker 1: lot of times. He's got a great looking golf perfect

435
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Speaker 1: Adam Scott, the classic golf swingers would win because the

436
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Speaker 1: judges would look at the aesthetics of what it looks

437
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Speaker 1: like and say their golf swing looks the best. But

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Speaker 1: John Rahm doesn't have a classic looking golf swing. Sure,

439
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Speaker 1: he doesn't have a golf swing that anyone is really

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Speaker 1: coaching or teaching. No one's saying, hey, do what John

441
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Speaker 1: Rahm does, because John Rahm is very easy. Unicornton Johnson

442
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Speaker 1: is a unicorn. Colin Montgomery, Freddie Couples, all of these

443
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Speaker 1: great unique golfers were somewhat unicorns. They had techniques that

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Speaker 1: you don't teach. Sure, And so from an execution standpoint,

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Speaker 1: you get a call from Dave Phillips to have an

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Speaker 1: opportunity to work with someone like John Rahm. For you,

447
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Speaker 1: that's got to be like, Okay, wow, this is a

448
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Speaker 1: unique opportunity. Absolutely, And let's be honest. It's always that

449
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Speaker 1: thing to where Okay, how can I help a player? Yeah,

450
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Speaker 1: that is already a great player.

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Speaker 2: So good. So the thing with Johnny that we always

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Speaker 2: laugh about is his a He's unbelievable. Right, let's just

453
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Speaker 2: start from that. The dude does everything well. When you

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Speaker 2: look at his numbers, there's no flaws, there's no gaps,

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Speaker 2: there's no holes.

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Speaker 1: You guys say this all the time. I don't know

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Speaker 1: guys like him, Guys like Rory McElroy. You wonder how

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Speaker 1: they don't win every single week with the toolbox sure

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Speaker 1: that they have. Sure with all of the things that

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Speaker 1: they can pull out of their toolbox, there isn't a

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Speaker 1: situation that John Rahm or someone like Rory McElroy is

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Speaker 1: going to get into to where they don't have an

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Speaker 1: arrow to pull out. Sure they've got that in.

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Speaker 2: There are always the ACEP this sleeve and getting to

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Speaker 2: work with Dave and the team, Spencer Tatum who runs

466
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Speaker 2: THHP and his whole team has been such a joy.

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Speaker 2: And getting to learn what it's like from the best

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Speaker 2: in the world. And I think the thing that you

469
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Speaker 2: said circling back to where do I learn from? The

470
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Speaker 2: best advice I ever got was from my business partner,

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Speaker 2: doctor Kevin Moore. He's a professor of mathematics. And about

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Speaker 2: three years into my golf journey, I started playing mini

473
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Speaker 2: tours in Arizona and I was going to read golf

474
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Speaker 2: books and he said, Nico, stop. He said, you don't

475
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Speaker 2: know the rules yet, so you continue to break them.

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Speaker 2: And it was the best advice I ever got in golf,

477
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Speaker 2: being able to bring something to a team where I

478
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Speaker 2: don't know the rules of golf. I don't know how

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Speaker 2: you're supposed to practice. I don't know how you're supposed

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Speaker 2: to look at a driving range or a golf course

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Speaker 2: or a hole. Like you said, golf is given us

482
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Speaker 2: a set of rules and a scorecard. We can play

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Speaker 2: the hole however we'd like. We can hit out.

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Speaker 1: Always says there's no place on the scorecard for anything

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Speaker 1: other than a number.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: The box is so small you can't write anything else

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Speaker 1: other than the score.

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Speaker 2: That's it. And so being able to look at the

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Speaker 2: game creatively like an artist, although I'm an academic I

491
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Speaker 2: look at golf as an artist and be able to say,

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Speaker 2: you know, what is presented in front of me when

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Speaker 2: someone goes to a driving range. You know, for people

494
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Speaker 2: at home, look at your driving range, ask yourself the question,

495
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Speaker 2: what does this range give me? Do I have a

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Speaker 2: great chipping green? Do I have a putting facility that's nice?

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Speaker 2: Do I have a driving range that I can go

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Speaker 2: to to be created?

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Speaker 1: I have a lot of targets on the driving totally.

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Speaker 2: Is there two trees out there that I can look

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Speaker 2: at and say, hey, that looks about forty yards wide,

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Speaker 2: That'd be a great fair way for me to hit

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Speaker 2: drivers into. And so being able to bring that non

504
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Speaker 2: golf team sport mentality my dissertation research, A lot of

505
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Speaker 2: it was written on special forces. So as a kid

506
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Speaker 2: I loved reading military books and still to this day.

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Speaker 2: You asked, you know you listen to other team sports

508
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Speaker 2: and coaches. I listened to military podcasts. Specifically I listened

509
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Speaker 2: to the Sean Ryan Show. He has a lot of

510
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Speaker 2: Seal Team six guys, Delta Force, really high performers. What

511
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Speaker 2: are they doing? What are they doing that's different than

512
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Speaker 2: what you and I are doing when we go to

513
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Speaker 2: the driving range. They don't have a day off, they

514
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Speaker 2: don't have the ability to have a bad day. A

515
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Speaker 2: bad day for them has real consequences. A bad day

516
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Speaker 2: for me, I shoot seventy seven. It's a very different mentality.

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Speaker 2: And looking at them they gave The military gave me

518
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Speaker 2: so much confidence in something called operant conditioning. It's essentially

519
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Speaker 2: where you can take someone off the street. You can

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Speaker 2: take a civilian who's seventeen or eighteen years old, put

521
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Speaker 2: them through buds, and in roughly two years they can

522
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Speaker 2: become a functioning Navy seal. Who's to say that in

523
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Speaker 2: sport we can't take someone off the street and turn

524
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Speaker 2: them into a world class player. The military has already

525
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Speaker 2: shown us it can be done through training, through.

526
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Speaker 1: If they fall up exactly specific exactly thanks.

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Speaker 2: Instead, we show up to the driving range and we

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Speaker 2: have a seven iron, and we look out there and well,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna work on my swing today. I'm gonna film

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Speaker 2: my swing. Look, I play golf seven days a week.

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Speaker 2: I want to make my swing better. But what is better?

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Speaker 2: What is better? Is it the esthetic contest? Or is

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Speaker 2: it the ability to put the ball in the hole.

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Speaker 2: You know, I have a dear old friend. We call

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Speaker 2: him Uncle Skip. He caddied on tour for a long

536
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Speaker 2: time and he always says to me, he goes, you

537
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Speaker 2: gotta dance with the date that you brought. Every one

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Speaker 2: of us wants a better swing.

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Speaker 1: But I also think that people forget that unless you

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Speaker 1: are going to go in a vacuum in a laboratory

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Speaker 1: type situation and you're just going to go work on

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Speaker 1: your technique. Sure, right, if you are trying to play

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Speaker 1: golf recreationally or competitively, every time you go to the

544
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Speaker 1: golf course is an opportunity for you to play the

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Speaker 1: game better as regardless of what you're doing on the

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Speaker 1: driving range. Yes, right, because if you are going to

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Speaker 1: play golf, and I think we have generations now who

548
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Speaker 1: are just practicers. They don't fundamentally know how to play golf.

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Speaker 1: Sure and through technology, through science, through data, through all

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Speaker 1: of the things that are available on social media, all

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Speaker 1: of the things you can watch, you can work on

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Speaker 1: your technique. Ad nos, you work on techne forever you

553
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Speaker 1: can find anything online to work on.

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Speaker 2: Google how to fix my slice? There's ae hundred millions instantly.

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Speaker 1: But even if you're trying to fix your slice, unless

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Speaker 1: you were just going to be a lifetime practicer or

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Speaker 1: a professional practicer. Sure you have to at some point

558
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Speaker 1: take the test. Yeah, the test is going out and

559
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Speaker 1: playing nine holes or eighteen holes with the rules of

560
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Speaker 1: the game, with the scorecard. You have to at some

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Speaker 1: point go out to the ocean. You just can't sail

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Speaker 1: in the harbor and think you're a sailor. Sure right,

563
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Speaker 1: you have to go out into the big blue sea

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Speaker 1: and learn how to sail.

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Speaker 2: You said a fascinating anything about whatever level you're at,

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Speaker 2: And I think that this is for the listeners at home.

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Speaker 2: The professional game, in the amateur game is really far apart, right,

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Speaker 2: But it doesn't matter my own game. Right now, I'm

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Speaker 2: going to talk about my game. I'm probably never going

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Speaker 2: to play in the Masters, and that's okay. My Masters

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Speaker 2: might be the minor league Tour. It might be coming

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Speaker 2: down the stretch with a lead at sand Hill Crane

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Speaker 2: Golf Club playing against you know who knows who on

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Speaker 2: a Tuesday afternoon. My heart rate's going to be the

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Speaker 2: same as somebody is coming down with the chance to win.

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Speaker 2: One of my favorite clients, doctor Lonnie Malo has been

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Speaker 2: with us for basically since the beginning his goal when

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Speaker 2: he started with us was to break a hundred. He

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Speaker 2: had to play with his boss. He's an er doctor

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Speaker 2: and he had to play with his boss in I'll

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Speaker 2: never forget. It was the end of September and it

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Speaker 2: was June, and he said, I don't know how to

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Speaker 2: play golf and I'm terrified. His Masters was that round

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Speaker 2: with his boss. It didn't matter to him. He has

585
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Speaker 2: no aspirations of being a you know, world beater, world

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Speaker 2: number one. His Masters was that round. He ended up

587
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Speaker 2: shooting about you know, ninety eight or whatever it was.

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Speaker 2: And this year he played in his club championship. Next

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Speaker 2: year his goal is to compete in the club championship.

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Speaker 2: And I think that when you sit there and you

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Speaker 2: look at what your own goals are and being realistic

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Speaker 2: about them, it's okay. If I never play in the Masters,

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Speaker 2: career will still be a success because I'm trying to

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Speaker 2: be the best player that I can be next week,

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Speaker 2: next month, next year, five years from now. Who's to

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Speaker 2: say I can't.

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Speaker 1: That's that's pretty interesting that I think most people, I

598
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Speaker 1: think most people in golf have massively out of kilter expectations.

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Speaker 1: Sure right, I mean, they're just their expectations of what

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Speaker 1: they're going to be able to do versus what they

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Speaker 1: can do. Circling back to John. So you get on

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Speaker 1: John's team, you go spend time with him. He's a

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Speaker 1: freak athlete. He's a freak golfer. He has all of

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Speaker 1: the tools, sure everyone, I mean he has all of

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Speaker 1: the tools. I mean he is a he's a joy

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Speaker 1: to watch play golf, and he plays golf in a

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Speaker 1: way that is incredibly simplistic, like he really does play

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Speaker 1: golf in them people is form where I think people

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Speaker 1: would think that it would be much more complex. The

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Speaker 1: way he plays.

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Speaker 2: The beauty is the simplicity, the truest form of art

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Speaker 2: think about. I watched Hero Dreams of Sushi, the Netflix

613
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Speaker 2: documentary where the chef he makes sushi all day long,

614
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Speaker 2: and the sushi is so simple, but it's perfect. It's

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00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 2: so clean, the lines are elegant, the way it's done.

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Speaker 2: And with John, the way I look at it and

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Speaker 2: my time with him has been trying to make it

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Speaker 2: more fun, just trying to make practice not a job.

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Speaker 2: These guys do it every day all day. At the

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Speaker 2: highest levels of the game. There's stress, there's financial there's

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Speaker 2: you know, all the expectations of trying to be the

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Speaker 2: best in the world. And I try to create games

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Speaker 2: that are enjoyable, that are engaging, that are you know,

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Speaker 2: taking what they do well already and make it a

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Speaker 2: little better. And then hey, here are some areas that

626
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Speaker 2: we need to work on. Let's try to have a

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Speaker 2: little more fun doing that. And so for me, I

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Speaker 2: look at children as the greatest model of learning. How

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Speaker 2: do kids learn? They play? Kids play. When we become adults,

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Speaker 2: when we stop playing. You know, I'm a serious person.

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Speaker 2: I need to have serious you know, I'm gonna grind.

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Speaker 2: What does that even mean? Are you not gonna enjoy?

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Speaker 2: You're gonna stand there and hip balls till you bleed,

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Speaker 2: thanks man, Like I'll take anyone else against that guy

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Speaker 2: in the field. Right The children are out there learning.

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Speaker 2: My have a four yeal niece who I get to

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Speaker 2: watch her, how she learns, the questions that she asks. That's,

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00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 2: in my opinion, my role with players is taking them

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Speaker 2: back to when they were a child and how they learned,

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Speaker 2: how they had fun, and more importantly, judgment free. Us

641
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 2: as human beings are egos and are the stories that

642
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 2: we tell ourselves. The stress that we put ourselves under

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Speaker 2: It can become very constraining where you don't want to

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Speaker 2: take that risk. John's always willing to take the risk.

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Speaker 2: I will always say this if I ask the same

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Speaker 2: question to all of my guys, everyone you know, seeing

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Speaker 2: Tory Pine's the eighteenth hole, and I always give them

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Speaker 2: the number two fifty five because it's a weird tweener number,

649
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Speaker 2: like maybe it's a five five iron lay up, maybe

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Speaker 2: it's a you send it hit three wood. And a

651
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Speaker 2: good question to ask yourself is you're tied for the lead,

652
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Speaker 2: your opponent just hit it in the water. What do

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Speaker 2: you do? Who are you? Do?

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Speaker 1: You go for the green from two fifty five, which

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Speaker 1: a guy like John rom can easily get any pin

656
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Speaker 1: on the eighteenth hole at Torrey Pines, where he won

657
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Speaker 1: his first major championship, the US Open. But he can

658
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Speaker 1: get from two fifty five, He can get any You

659
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Speaker 1: can get to any pin, sure, And he's got a

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Speaker 1: variety of different shots he could git to do that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So does he go for it or does he lay

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Speaker 1: up and then try and make a birdie with a wedge?

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Speaker 2: Sure? And the questions that I ask all of my guys,

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Speaker 2: I always tell them there's no right answers. It's your

665
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666
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Speaker 2: I will never take credit for an athlete's success. You know,

667
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Speaker 2: we have some amazing athletes on our team. They're the

668
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Speaker 2: ones hitting the shot. I'm the one asking the questions

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Speaker 2: to try to give them some thought as to what

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Speaker 2: All of our guys we monitor their heart rates when

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Speaker 2: Your hands. Everyone's felt it. Your hands go a little

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Speaker 2: Yeah, COVID.

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Speaker 1: They gave everybody. So now a lot of PGA Tour

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Speaker 1: players and because of the PGA Tour, everybody mimics every

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Speaker 1: amateur that I work with. Now every Mini tour player

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Speaker 2: So one of the coolest stories during that same era,

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Speaker 2: one of the first guys we worked with, I will

723
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Speaker 2: mention his name. He had a put to tie in

724
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Speaker 2: an event that he really needed to play well in

725
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Speaker 2: and he had six feet on the last hole and

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Speaker 2: his heart rate go up to one hundred and forty

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Speaker 2: six beats. And for those of you at home who

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Speaker 2: him about this, and I said, hey, have you guys

733
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Speaker 2: from someone within the military who monitors all the Special

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Speaker 2: Forces heart rate and he told a great story. He said,

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Speaker 2: one of the final tests they have, they give you

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Speaker 2: essentially a paintball gun and you know, they're like not

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Speaker 2: real bullets, and they put a hood over your head

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Speaker 2: and a scenario is presented in front of you. It

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Speaker 2: might be a woman holding a baby, it might be

741
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Speaker 2: you know, two pertend terrorists. And they said, the first

742
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Speaker 2: time everyone's heart rates through the roof, it's one sixty.

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Speaker 2: And then you know, they shoot, They shoot the paintball

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Speaker 2: gun at whatever's in front of them, and they said,

745
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Speaker 2: by the end they're able to calm down. Hood comes off.

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Speaker 2: They assess, they assess, they pull the trigger in the

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Speaker 2: right way, and it just clicked off. This idea in

748
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Speaker 2: my mind that what if I test everything on myself.

749
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Speaker 2: I am my own crash test dummy. For those of

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Speaker 2: you who follow me on Instagram, you know I'm doing

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Speaker 2: this every day all day. It's it's it's every day,

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Speaker 2: all day. And so I just monitored my own heart

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Speaker 2: rate and I put myself in and tournaments had said, well,

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Speaker 2: when I'm hitting balls in the driving range, I'm out

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Speaker 2: about eighty. When I play a tournament, there's no consequence.

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Speaker 1: I just and if you hit That's the thing I

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Speaker 1: think everyone listening when you are hitting golf balls on

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Speaker 1: the range, there really is no consequence because if you

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Speaker 1: hit a bad one, you just fire one over. And

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Speaker 1: a lot of times what I'll do with players is

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Speaker 1: they get into that rut to where they start hitting

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Speaker 1: bad shot after bad shot after bad shot, and the

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Speaker 1: worst they hit it, the faster they're hitting the next ball.

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Speaker 1: So there's really no thought process. And I'll let players

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Speaker 1: sometimes go through that to where they'll hit three, four

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Speaker 1: or five shots, and a lot of times I'll start

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Speaker 1: filming without them realizing they don't know what I'm filming,

768
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Speaker 1: and I'll say, listen, watch how fast you just hit

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Speaker 1: the last five balls. Sure, now tell me what you

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Speaker 1: were thinking, tell me what the object of each shot was,

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Speaker 1: and you can't because you're in that drowning phase. Right.

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Speaker 1: I think golfers more than any other sport you get.

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Speaker 1: Everybody goes through this. Tour players go through this, but

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Speaker 1: the average golfer that's listening, we all go through that

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Speaker 1: phase of where you feel like I've lost it and

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Speaker 1: now I'm drowning. Oh yeah, And the more you feel

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Speaker 1: like you're losing it, the more you feel like you're drowning.

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Speaker 1: You're in quicksand and you're just in your arms around

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Speaker 1: that boat is sinking. So you were saying the heart rate.

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Speaker 1: Most people in the range, they hit a bad shot,

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Speaker 1: there's fifty of them in front of them, they just

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Speaker 1: grab another one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So the consequence of that is so different when we're

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Speaker 1: on the golf course because you don't have another ball.

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Speaker 1: It matters every ball when you're playing the game of golf,

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Speaker 1: matters when you're trying to keep score, when you're in

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Speaker 1: a competition, whether you're just out for a weekend with

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Speaker 1: your friends. The playing of the game is so different

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Speaker 1: than the practice sing of the game. Yes, but everybody

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Speaker 1: just spends all of their time practicing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a fascinating concept for me where I look

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Speaker 2: at it and I'm with you, I don't quite understand it.

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Speaker 2: I can't put my finger on the why. And that's okay.

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Speaker 2: I've stopped trying to ask the why, and I've started

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Speaker 2: just trying to find solutions. I've just said, you know what,

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Speaker 2: I'm willing to do burpies on the driving range and

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Speaker 2: have everyone laugh at me, because here's the thing about

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Speaker 2: being an overnight success. Everyone laughed at me until they didn't.

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Speaker 2: I was doing burpies on the driving range three years

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Speaker 2: ago by myself and everyone would giggle. I didn't have

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Speaker 2: any PGA tour clients. I wasn't on your podcast. I

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Speaker 2: was some four handicap in Scott's Arizona, you know, trying

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Speaker 2: to play in my club championship. I was willing to

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Speaker 1: Doing burpees on the driving range is trying to get.

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Speaker 2: Your heart right up, jamming my heart right up, I

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Speaker 2: know what, try.

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Speaker 1: And get what you're Everybody comes to people like you.

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Speaker 1: Everyone comes to people like me that is trying to

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Speaker 1: play and say, okay, how can I simulate what happens

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Speaker 1: on the golf course, on the driving rang. So in

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Speaker 1: my practice, how can I how do I get because

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Speaker 1: I'm struggling. I'm hitting it good on the range, I

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Speaker 1: and then I get on the golf course and I

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Speaker 1: feel like I haven't been practicing. Things go wrong, I

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Speaker 1: think I always say, and it's something I've been saying

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Speaker 1: for a while now. From an American football standpoint, competitive

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Speaker 1: golf is the two minute.

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Speaker 2: Offense one hundred.

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Speaker 1: It's the red zone. Yes, sometimes you're going to get

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Speaker 1: a lot of time in the red zone, but sometimes

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Speaker 1: at the end of a game, you're going to get

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Speaker 1: a team is going to get the ball back. They're

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Speaker 1: going to have forty five seconds left, they're on the

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Speaker 1: their own ten yard line. Maybe they've got a time out,

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Speaker 1: maybe they don't. And I'm always fascinating that the greater

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Speaker 1: that's a lot of time for Aaron Rodgers, he's got

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Speaker 1: a chance, a lot of time for Patrick Mahomes. The

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Speaker 1: greater the quarterback, the less time they have there are

834
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Speaker 1: people are more surprised if they don't score, then they

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Speaker 2: So I'll tell you. I'll tell you a baseball story

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Speaker 2: and the same I played at cal State Fullerton my

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Speaker 1: We're the number one hour house.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're the number one team in the country. And

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Speaker 2: our coach always said to us, if we're down one

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Speaker 2: in the ninth, we're winning the game because the other

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Speaker 2: team is going to be more. They're gonna panic. We

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Speaker 2: tell you how many how many leads that we flipped

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Speaker 2: going into the eighth, going into the ninth, when we

847
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Speaker 2: were like, yeah, of course we're gonna win. Of course

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Speaker 2: we're gonna win. Well, that's exactly we were more surprised

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Speaker 2: if we lost, like no, no, no, no, this is we're

850
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 2: gonna beat you. We are the team that's worked harder.

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Speaker 2: We've done it, We've done the reps. And if you

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Speaker 2: here's a funny story going back to what you said

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Speaker 2: about competitive team sports. I was a freshman. I was

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Speaker 2: scared to death. Our biggest rival in college baseball, think Alabama,

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Speaker 2: Auburn is Long Beach State, cal State Fullerton. I'm zero

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Speaker 2: My first two at bats were terrible, I mean awful.

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Speaker 2: As I'm walking up to bet, my head coach puts

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861
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 2: he looks at me. And what do you think you

862
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 2: say to a scared freshman who is there's thousands of

863
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 2: people there. You say, hey, you can do it, son,

864
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 2: You know you can do this, Nico. He looked at me,

865
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 2: he goes, do you ever want to play here again?

866
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 2: And I turned and there's a video of it somewhere.

867
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 2: My eyes are like saucers. He goes, get a hit.

868
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 2: I rolled one over the five to six hole and

869
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 2: I got a base hit. And he comes up to

870
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 2: me and he goes, I told you, And you sit

871
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 2: there and you compare that to golf, where as you said,

872
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,240
Speaker 2: you hit a bad shot, and then you go spend

873
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 2: you know, a week on the driving range working on

874
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 2: my te technique. Golf, the ball doesn't move, so we

875
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,919
Speaker 2: have so much time to think and evaluate and ask

876
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 2: ourselves why did the ball go there. I'm not that

877
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,919
Speaker 2: interested in the why. I'm interested in competing. I want

878
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 2: a dog who gets in there and competes on their

879
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 2: worst day. Everybody in professional golf, every Mini Tour pro

880
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 2: can shoot sixty three.

881
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: Padrick Harrington a couple weeks ago they interviewed him live

882
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: amazing at I think he was playing at the Senior

883
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: British opening. Padrick said, you know, Padrick is a multiple

884
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 1: major champions stuff. He is a Wryder Cup hero for Europe.

885
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 1: He is a Writer Cup captain. They didn't win when

886
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: he was captain, but he is a I mean, he's

887
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: he's the man.

888
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 2: I love his Paddy's golf tips. By way, if you're listening,

889
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 2: I love your Patty's golf tips.

890
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: It's great. And he was saying live on our Tim

891
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 1: Barter from Sky was interview him and he said, listen,

892
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:53,720
Speaker 1: at this level, there are people that hit it better

893
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: than I do that aren't at this level, not even close,

894
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: but at the elite competitive level, the way that you

895
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: think on the golf course is the differentiator because everybody

896
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: is good. So if you're trying to break to me,

897
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: it's the barriers one hundred ninety, yes, eighty seventy. If

898
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: you're trying to break one hundred for the same for

899
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 1: the first time, pretty much everybody that's in your handicap

900
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 1: level is the same.

901
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're all the same.

902
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 1: You're you all have the same amount of talent. So

903
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: everybody trying to break one hundred out there for the

904
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: first time, everybody trying to break ninety, trying to break eighty. Sure,

905
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: whatever bucket of those you're in. Sure remember that everybody

906
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: that's never broken eighty before pretty much probably has the

907
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:51,320
Speaker 1: same skill set, similar, same kind of technique. Sure, there's

908
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: no differentiator there right from a technique standpoint.

909
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 2: Probably there's some. Obviously there's outliers. There're largely golfers fit

910
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 2: in buckets and they're.

911
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: So if you're trying to break eighty for the first

912
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 1: time or ninety for the first time, there are so

913
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: And I talked to Ryan about it last week on

914
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 1: the podcast. There are so many golf life hacks that

915
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: you can come up with that don't have anything to

916
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 1: do with the way you're swinging the golf club. Yes,

917
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: and the way that you practice can help you so

918
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: much when you get into these situations on the golf

919
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: course that everybody is going to get into. I think

920
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 1: one of the people always ask me why Brooks is

921
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: so great in the majors, and I always say the

922
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:40,280
Speaker 1: same thing. And I say, because Brooks doesn't expect everything

923
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: to go well. He expects there to be turbulence, He

924
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: expects there to be he expects to make bad swings. Sure,

925
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: he expects to hit bad shots. I think so many

926
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 1: people go into playing golf thinking, Okay, the way I'm

927
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: going to break one hundred and ninety or eighty for

928
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: the first time is I have to do all of

929
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: these things perfect and the stars almost have to align.

930
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: And I think that the way that you've come up

931
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: with a way to try and gamify practice is something

932
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: that I think can help so many people. So circling

933
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: back to John, what were some of the practice games

934
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: that you came up with? When you're looking at a

935
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 1: guy like John Rum, who's good at everything, how do

936
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: you go, Okay, what can I get him to practice?

937
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:38,760
Speaker 1: From a game standpoint? Give him games? Because I've seen

938
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 1: you for around all the majors. You come up with

939
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 1: a list of games, sure, based off of the tasks

940
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: that he's going to have to control. So at AUGUSTA,

941
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: you identify the shots that he's going to have to

942
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: hit the type of conditions that he's going to be playing.

943
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: Insure firm greens, not a lot of landing areas, slopey, slopey,

944
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: all of those things. So you come up with games

945
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 1: and you say, okay, here are the games. See if

946
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: you can now achieve these tasks or tests in practice.

947
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 2: So my dissertation was written on a guy named doctor

948
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 2: Robert F. Major who created criterion reference instruction. It's exactly

949
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:28,720
Speaker 2: what you're describing. It's little tests, it's here's the task.

950
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 2: It might be to hit an eight iron one hundred

951
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 2: and fifty yards, normal task every PGA tour pro. I

952
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 2: don't care how short you are. You can hit it

953
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty. Then it might be to hit

954
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 2: at one seventy that might be a stretch. So they're

955
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 2: little tests before the test. And John's a unique case

956
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 2: because he's so talented everything. But I work really closely

957
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 2: with Dave John's I almost throw John out because he's

958
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 2: such an anomaly. He's so gifted. He's so gifted. So

959
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 2: if we were going to speak more generally about regular

960
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 2: I guess tour pros, I would work with first a player,

961
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 2: sit down them, learn who they are. Who are are

962
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 2: you going for it on eighteen or not? At toy

963
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 2: it's okay if you don't, it's okay if you don't.

964
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 2: And then working with Dave, working with him to identify

965
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 2: what are they doing in their swings, because I need

966
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 2: to understand what is the technique that they're trying to do.

967
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,399
Speaker 2: And then my job is down the line of saying,

968
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 2: all right, let's make some fun games. Augusta is a

969
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 2: great example. Backfoot wedge on thirteen. You might need to

970
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 2: hit a backfoot edge on thirteen, not something that you

971
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 2: can do on a flat driving range. And so for

972
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 2: most people you go to a flat, you know, municipal

973
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 2: driving range, they don't have the opportunity to hit a

974
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 2: backfooter off of the rough or you know, hit balls

975
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 2: out of the wodship exactly, hit balls out of a

976
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 2: wood chips or you know, fair way bunkers, whatever it

977
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 2: might be. And so if you're listening at home, your

978
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 2: golf course could turn into a practice facility on the

979
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 2: rounds that you play by yourself. One of the things

980
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 2: that I do for all of our guys is we

981
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 2: look at their golf course and say, all right, the

982
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 2: first hole at Floridian, let's call it, it has a

983
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 2: fairway bunker left that how far do you think that

984
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 2: is in.

985
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 1: Probably from from the back tea, it's probably two eighty

986
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: to ninety. So, you know at our club at the Floridian,

987
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: it's a it's a pretty you know, it's a good

988
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: t ball bunker's right, Yeah, bunkers left, good ball. If

989
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 1: you've never played there before, you're trying to the first

990
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: question anybody asks if I take a player there is okay,

991
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: can I reach the bunkers? What's it to get into

992
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,399
Speaker 1: the bunker on the right, what's it to get into

993
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: the bunker on the left?

994
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, if you're a player at home, number one

995
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 2: at the Floridian might be a great driving hole. So

996
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 2: the days that you're going to maybe go to the

997
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 2: driving range or maybe play, what if we reimagined until

998
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 2: we get places like the Grove, Floridian, Silver Leaf that

999
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 2: have these unbelievable world class practice facilities. If you reimagine

1000
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 2: your golf course into a practice facility, that first hole

1001
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 2: might be your driving focus and you could work on

1002
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 2: maybe you hit two. Obviously this is assuming that you're

1003
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 2: in the afternoon and not holding play up. You might

1004
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 2: hit fairway bunkers out of the one on the left.

1005
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 2: Then you might find a green. Say the second green

1006
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,760
Speaker 2: has a really good slope, you might work on putting

1007
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,879
Speaker 2: for an extra three minutes on that putting slope, Say

1008
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 2: the third hole you find a chip shot and you

1009
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 2: hit one extra chip shot from there. So now, if

1010
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,399
Speaker 2: you're playing alone, or if you're playing with one friend

1011
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 2: who's motivated that eighteen whole round, look, you can't. The

1012
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 2: thing that I think people mistake is every round can't

1013
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 2: be your lowest round. It's not a thing. You're not

1014
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,439
Speaker 2: gonna shoot your lowest score every single day. Some days

1015
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 2: are gonna have to be days that you work. Maybe

1016
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 2: you use a half set, maybe you don't use a driver.

1017
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 2: One of the most common things I do with our

1018
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 2: guys is I take their driver in the three it away,

1019
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 2: I make them hit irons. Why because then they have

1020
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 2: to hit long irons into par fours, something that is uncomfortable,

1021
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:47,720
Speaker 2: especially for the guys who are playing in the wind.

1022
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 2: In Florida. We're lucky here where it's windy, But for

1023
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 2: my West Coast guys, Arizona guys, I mean Pooge. He

1024
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 2: plays at the ASU two. They don't have wind, so

1025
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 2: for him, hitting a four iron into a par four

1026
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 2: is like all right, Hey, I gotta work at this.

1027
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 2: They're hitting driver sixty driver, you know, fifty six into everything,

1028
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 2: And so as you're thinking about practice, take the veil

1029
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,760
Speaker 2: off of every round has to be my lowest score.

1030
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 2: Some days you can just improve and it might be

1031
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:17,919
Speaker 2: working on your extra putting. On every day on every

1032
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 2: green you drop an extra ball and you just work

1033
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:21,439
Speaker 2: on lige putting. That's enough.

1034
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: I think people would be surprised. I think most golfers

1035
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: would would want to go out and watch players if

1036
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: they could be inside the ropes. They would want to

1037
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,879
Speaker 1: watch them play a tournament round.

1038
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1039
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: What I think would be fascinating for the majority of

1040
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: the people listening to the pod is would be to

1041
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 1: come to a practice round. Yeah, specifically at a major chansonship, right,

1042
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: and the ideal practice round if you were if you

1043
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: were going to go watch and you were going to

1044
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: try and learn something from a tour player, if you

1045
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: could go inside the ropes and watch a player try

1046
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: and prepare at Augusta Nash because that is such a specific

1047
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 1: golf course for specific shots. So I think everybody you

1048
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: would watch where they would go putt from, you would

1049
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 1: watch where they would go chip from. You you would

1050
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: watch what they would talk about off the tea with

1051
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: their caddies saying, Okay, what are we going to hit here?

1052
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 1: What is my strategy here? Right? That to me would

1053
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 1: be a very very accelerated learning process totally for a

1054
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 1: lot of for a lot of golfers.

1055
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 2: I think if people could, people would learn so much

1056
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 2: on the questions that they're asking. What are what are

1057
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 2: the questions this golf course is asking me? And then

1058
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 2: how am I answering them? The player's response?

1059
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:46,959
Speaker 1: And I said this last week in talking to Ryan,

1060
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: we were talking on a similar theme. The majority of

1061
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: people listening to this podcast do not play all their

1062
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: golf at Oakmond. Sure, they don't play all of their

1063
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:04,800
Speaker 1: golf at these iconic, major style, tournament style golf courses.

1064
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 1: They the majority of people, I think, play golf courses

1065
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: that tend to be pretty flat, Yeah, a little rough

1066
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 1: around the edges right there, fairways tend to be fairly wide. Sure,

1067
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: the greens tend to be somewhat flat to maybe a

1068
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 1: little bit slopey.

1069
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 2: It's not world class.

1070
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: The greens are not running at thirteen or right. So

1071
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 1: if if you think about the golf course that you

1072
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: play all the time, and you're trying to break eighty ninety,

1073
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 1: one hundred for the first time. You can gamify your

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00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 1: practice based off of the golf course that you play.

1075
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:45,399
Speaker 2: You play which is.

1076
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:49,839
Speaker 1: Not tucked pins three from the left, three from the back,

1077
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: and there's a ton of slope and the fairways ten

1078
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 1: yards wide and if you miss the fairway you're making

1079
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:58,879
Speaker 1: X like you see on.

1080
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:00,359
Speaker 2: TV, yah ches highright, whatever.

1081
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: So you can look at your own golf course and say, Okay,

1082
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 1: what questions does my golf course at home that I

1083
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: play the majority of my golf what questions is it

1084
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: asking me?

1085
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 2: One hundred percent? And you have a fascinating thing about

1086
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 2: breaking the number because when people ask me that about

1087
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 2: breaking eighty or ninety or one hundred, whatever it might be,

1088
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 2: and I say to them, Ken McDonald and Arizona is

1089
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 2: a municipal I bet you can break eighty there. It's

1090
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 2: wide open, it's flat, it's easy. But the question comes

1091
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 2: down to, like you said, your own golf course. I

1092
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,359
Speaker 2: play a course down here called Locks of Hagi Club

1093
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 2: requires a lot of two irons for me really uncomfortable.

1094
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,879
Speaker 2: There's shots there that I don't have elsewhere that if

1095
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 2: I played that club every day, I would need to

1096
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 2: get a seven wood because there's par fives that I

1097
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 2: need to hit it high into. But for the tournament golfer,

1098
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:54,839
Speaker 2: the thing that amazes me the most about the high

1099
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 2: level player. I'm a pretty decent player myself, but I

1100
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,320
Speaker 2: need to have seen in a place a few times

1101
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 2: to understand the strategy to you know, where do I

1102
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 2: hit it? The best players in the world to show

1103
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,280
Speaker 2: up and shoot sixty five. It is just a different

1104
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 2: It's a different game. And for those of you listening

1105
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 2: at home, that's okay. If you're not that guy. You

1106
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 2: shooting seventy five in your club championship might be your goal.

1107
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,919
Speaker 2: That might be your process goal. Your outcome goal might

1108
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 2: be breaking eighty. You know what you should do. Go

1109
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 2: play the easiest course you can do, shoot seventy nine

1110
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:27,440
Speaker 2: and you did it. Does that mean you broke eighty.

1111
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 2: It's your own decision, right, That's that's that kind of interesting.

1112
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 2: I talk a lot about with our guys, and we

1113
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:36,439
Speaker 2: can talk about it about process and outcome goals. In outcome goals,

1114
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 2: I want to break eighty. Is that a good goal? Maybe?

1115
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 2: But I want to break eighty at my home course.

1116
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 2: Me shooting eighty at Bayhill this year when the greens

1117
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 2: were you know, thirteen in rock Hard, that'd have been

1118
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 2: a hell of a round. Me shooting eighty at my

1119
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 2: home club here, Hey man, I'm not losing all the

1120
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 2: money like I am having a tough day, right, So

1121
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 2: that's an important thing that I think people should differentiate

1122
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 2: as well their own games. Score is important, but you

1123
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 2: want to enjoy the game and play it for a

1124
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 2: long time.

1125
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 1: Give me some gamified practice ideas for someone trying to

1126
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 1: break one hundred for the first time, someone trying to

1127
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 1: break ninety for the first time, someone trying to break

1128
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: eighty for the first time. So if you're trying to

1129
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 1: break one hundred for the first time and you love golf,

1130
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 1: you're practicing golf, you're trying to improve. What are some

1131
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 1: good practice games that you can play on the range

1132
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: at your home course, regardless whether you're hitting off of

1133
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 1: a mat, regardless of what the driving range looks like.

1134
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I have a few, And this kind of

1135
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 2: goes into our takeaway as I want people to walk

1136
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 2: away with Number one. You have to self assess human beings.

1137
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 2: Because of our egos, were not very good self assessors.

1138
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 2: We protect ourselves. When I first started with doctor Kevin Moore,

1139
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 2: we went through my numbers and I found out as

1140
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 2: a terrible wedge player. That didn't feel good. When I

1141
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 2: started doing wedge tests, sucked and it didn't feel good.

1142
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 2: I was I'm not a bad wedge player. I make

1143
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 2: six birdies around? Why I make six berties? I drive

1144
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 2: four par fours? You know, like it's not this isn't

1145
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 2: a thing, right, So Number one, you have to self

1146
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 2: assess what are you good at? Why can't you break

1147
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 2: a hundred? Darren may our friend down at the Grove,

1148
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 2: amazing guy, works with Keegan the Grove guys. He has

1149
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 2: one of the best things. How far do you hit

1150
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 2: a driver? Distance right now, whether you want to deal

1151
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 2: with it or not, is a predictor of golf success.

1152
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 2: So that's a first question. Do I hit it far

1153
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 2: enough to compete? And I'm not talking about three point fifty,

1154
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 2: not that many guys hit it three fifty and even

1155
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 2: less guys hit it three fifty in play. If I'm

1156
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 2: an amateur golfer trying to break a hundred, can I

1157
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 2: hit it too forty in play? Can I hit a

1158
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 2: driver two hundred and forty yards in the air.

1159
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 1: Which if you're trying to break one hundred for the

1160
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: first time, if you could carry a driver, you are

1161
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 1: Rory McElroy. You're elite, you are eight Do you are

1162
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 1: from a distance? Oh my goodness, you are in hammer

1163
00:59:58,680 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 1: it right.

1164
00:59:59,280 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1165
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 1: I think most golfers that are trying to break a

1166
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 1: hundred for the first time, if they could consistently carry

1167
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 1: the golf bowl two hundred games in the air, it

1168
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 1: would be a game.

1169
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Speaker 2: Change, life changer. So number one, you self assess and

1170
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 2: if you don't, if you're not able to self assess,

1171
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 2: ask a friend. One of the things I do with

1172
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 2: all my tour guys I play with all of them,

1173
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 2: I ask them about my own game. Peer review is

1174
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:26,439
Speaker 2: something I took from the Navy seal teams. They peer

1175
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 2: review and it sucks. Tring told me, I love cameradge Golly.

1176
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 2: One of my guys he said to me, to day

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Speaker 2: goes your three wood stinks and that I looked at

1178
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 2: him and I went, wow, my threewood does stink. I

1179
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 2: hit it in the water all the time.

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Speaker 1: So you're asking the people that you play with on

1181
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 1: a regular basis, Hey, you and I play every Saturday together,

1182
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: play together.

1183
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 2: Right?

1184
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 1: What am I good at?

1185
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1186
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 1: And what am I bad at?

1187
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 2: Yeah? What do you see in my game?

1188
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 1: You watch me play all the time. We've got a

1189
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 1: Saturday game.

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01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 2: Hey.

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01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 1: You and I've known each other for five, six, ten years,

1192
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:57,959
Speaker 1: however long we play every Saturday at the club. Tell

1193
01:00:57,960 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 1: me what I'm good at. They tell me what I'm bad.

1194
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 2: And maybe they're a bad maybe they're a bad cess

1195
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 2: or too. So there's a million stats programs out there.

1196
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 2: You can pick whichever one you want. You don't need

1197
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 2: to keep stats. You can if you'd like. That's an

1198
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 2: easy way to do it. It'll give you an objective

1199
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Speaker 2: view of I'm an eighteen handicap. Here's my strokes gained.

1200
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 2: You don't need to do it, you can do it. Then,

1201
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 2: once you know what you're good at, then you have

1202
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 2: to ask yourself how much time am I willing to

1203
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 2: put in? Look, you're a dad, you have kids, You

1204
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:28,440
Speaker 2: have a family. If I'm a father who has two

1205
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 2: kids and works forty hours a week and I'm trying

1206
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 2: to be a loving husband, I'm probably not going to

1207
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 2: be at the range six days a week, am I? Yeah?

1208
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 2: I hope you're I hope you're not. You know what

1209
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 2: I mean. But you can ask yourself. When I was

1210
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 2: doing my doctorate, I had thirty minutes. Some days I

1211
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 2: had a lunch break. I brought a putter. I put

1212
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 2: a putting mat in my office and I would sit

1213
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 2: there and I would roll putts for thirty minutes. That's

1214
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 2: what I would do. So then you have to sit

1215
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 2: there and you have to say to yourself, Okay, what

1216
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 2: can I do with the time that I have? And

1217
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:58,440
Speaker 2: you talked about expectations, be realistic. I'm not going to

1218
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 2: be world number one this year, probably never in my life.

1219
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 2: That's okay. What are my real, clear process and outcome goals.

1220
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 2: My outcome goal might be I want to qualify from

1221
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 2: the City Amateur. Great goal, fantastic goal, you got to

1222
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 2: shoot seventy seven, you know, whatever it is. My process

1223
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 2: would then be, in order to qualify for the City Amateur.

1224
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 2: And I'm a father and I got two kids, I

1225
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 2: got to ask my wife if she'd watch the kids

1226
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 2: for an hour once a week so I can get

1227
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 2: to the driving range and I can get that extra

1228
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 2: hour in, take her on a date, get you know,

1229
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 2: bring home ice cream, do something, process and outcome. And

1230
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 2: then finally, it's really just learning to play the game.

1231
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 2: And I don't mean on Instagram watching golf tips. My

1232
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 2: dad love the guy to death, great father. He's an

1233
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 2: eighteen handicap who watches more golf tips than any human

1234
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 2: being on the planet. Dude, the guy has more sets

1235
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 2: of clubs. He shows up, he's gonna, you know, screw

1236
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 2: in the light bulb and then squish the bug. And

1237
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:59,440
Speaker 2: it's like, Dad, you know why you're an eighteen handicap,

1238
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 2: I said, because you think you carry it two forty

1239
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 2: and he carries it two zero five. That's why. Because

1240
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 2: he thinks he can fly the bunker on the right,

1241
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 2: he can't. He swings hard and he quack hooks one

1242
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 2: into the water. So it's understanding your gain and more importantly,

1243
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 2: your goals. Your goals don't need to be being world

1244
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 2: number one. Your goals can be being the best player

1245
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 2: you can be, whatever that means for you, and setting

1246
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 2: those clear process goals processes everything to me. Obviously, this

1247
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 2: is what I do. You don't need to buy golf blueprint.

1248
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:36,440
Speaker 2: You can, if you'd like, create a plan for yourself.

1249
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 2: Claude talked about it. Hey, here are the shots that

1250
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 2: my golf course needs. I want to break ninety. I

1251
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 2: know I got to hit that five wood on the

1252
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 2: twelfth hole. That makes me uncomfortable. Spend ten minutes at

1253
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 2: your practice session hitting that five wood. Have a plan

1254
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 2: showing up to the range so that when you're there,

1255
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 2: you don't have the cognitive fatigue, which is so real

1256
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 2: in golf. If trying to plan what do I do next?

1257
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 2: The guy next to him's hitting driver. He's hitting it

1258
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 2: pretty far, man, I bet I could hit it farther him. Okay, fine,

1259
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 2: But is that your everyday plan? Is my question.

1260
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 1: I'm fascinated every year here in the US Hard Knocks,

1261
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 1: which is on HBO, which talks you know, it follows

1262
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 1: a US football team and goes through their spring training

1263
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 1: and I'm always fascinated that, you know, I was watching

1264
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 1: it the other night, and this year it's on the

1265
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 1: New York Jets. And they played the first game preseason, sure,

1266
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 1: and they played terrible, and the coach, the head coach

1267
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 1: came in and said, we didn't play our brand of football.

1268
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:38,000
Speaker 1: And then the next game they went out and won

1269
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 1: a preseason game, and the coach came in and said,

1270
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 1: that was who we are we played our brand of football?

1271
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 1: I think everybody can look at their own game and say, Okay,

1272
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:50,720
Speaker 1: what do I need to do? What does my game?

1273
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 1: What am I good at?

1274
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 2: Yes?

1275
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:55,200
Speaker 1: What am I not good at? Okay? And what can

1276
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 1: I do today when I go out on the golf

1277
01:04:57,120 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 1: course to play my brand of golf? What is called

1278
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 1: your everybody listening will there? Everybody's game is going to

1279
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 1: be different. Everyone has different strengths and weaknesses. So identifying, Okay,

1280
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:13,080
Speaker 1: what am I good at? What am I not good at?

1281
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 1: If I am good at something, play towards those strengths.

1282
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 1: We all look at I think Niko, we all look

1283
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 1: at John Ram's trying to turn weaknesses into strengths. Absolutely right,

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Speaker 1: Rory McElroy. The elite players are saying, okay, where am

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Speaker 1: I deficient? Tiger was the best at that. Tiger was

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Speaker 1: when when he turned pro. I watched for ten years

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Speaker 1: at a ringsight. See, Tiger was a shit wedge player.

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01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 1: He was a terrible bunker player. Tiger turned all of

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Speaker 1: the weaknesses into strengths. That's really hard for a twenty

1290
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 1: handicapper because they don't have a lot of strengths. So

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Speaker 1: find out the things that you're good at sure, Right,

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01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 1: we're not talking that you have to be an elite level,

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01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 1: but you're gonna look at your game and say, listen,

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Speaker 1: there is going to be some part of my game, yeah,

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Speaker 1: as a twenty handicapper that stands out more than the others,

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01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:13,439
Speaker 1: whatever that strength is, and then do everything you can

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Speaker 1: do to play to that strength.

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Speaker 2: My girlfriend as a med student in tennis pro, she's

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Speaker 2: learning to play golf. She loves hitting driver. You know

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01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 2: what we do at the driving range, we hit drivers.

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Speaker 2: She loves hitting driver. So we get on par four,

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01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 2: She's like, I can make a par She's so excited

1303
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:30,720
Speaker 2: to play part fours and par five's because she's like,

1304
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 2: I can hit part three the worst. Right, hates part three's,

1305
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:36,480
Speaker 2: but like he is up there on a par five.

1306
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 2: She made a birdie a couple of weeks ago and

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Speaker 2: it was the best day ever. Her making a birdie

1308
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 2: on a par five was that it was more elation

1309
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:48,480
Speaker 2: than I feel, you know, making a hole in one.

1310
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's it's it's it's it's relative to your level.

1311
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 2: And I think that people at home need to understand that.

1312
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 2: Watching the guys play on tour on perfect manicured greens

1313
01:06:57,160 --> 01:07:00,520
Speaker 2: that roll out of twelve every week with physios and teams. Look,

1314
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 2: you and I work on the teams. We know what

1315
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 2: these guys have behind us. Joe who works as a

1316
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:07,960
Speaker 2: computer sales you know it guy and then goes out

1317
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 2: and plays a Saturday game, isn't getting massage and chiropractic

1318
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 2: And you know you're not on the range behind him, Like,

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01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:16,440
Speaker 2: hey man, you're you know, one degree inside.

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Speaker 1: To me, the low hanging fruit for people trying to

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01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 1: break one hundred, ninety to eighty, Like you said, that's

1322
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 1: such an arbitrary goal, right if you're trying to break

1323
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 1: one hundred for the first time, if you're trying to

1324
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 1: break ninety, try and play an entire eighteen hole round

1325
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 1: of golf. And the goal is, I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: make a triple bogey.

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Speaker 2: Today, perfect goal.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to make amazing a triple bogey.

1329
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 2: To love that goal.

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Speaker 1: I'm if I make a double bogie fus, if I

1331
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 1: make bogie Stunes. But what I'm not going to do

1332
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 1: today is make a triple making ten. I'm not going

1333
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:52,880
Speaker 1: to make X. Yeah right, great, and just say listen,

1334
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:55,720
Speaker 1: and I say this all the time. The easiest way

1335
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 1: for the for the majority of golfers to achieve their

1336
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 1: score goals, breaking one hundred, breaking eight, breaking ninety eighty,

1337
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 1: even breaking seventy, is to make more pars and bogie,

1338
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Speaker 1: not birdies. Yes, everyone thinks the one hundred shooter thinks

1339
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:17,719
Speaker 1: I'm going to break a hundred if I make more birdiees.

1340
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Speaker 2: I gotta make six birdies.

1341
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 1: You're not going to make a lot of birdies if

1342
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:24,599
Speaker 1: you're shooting consistently in the hundreds. So maybe the goal

1343
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:26,759
Speaker 1: would be to say, hey, if I can play eighteen

1344
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:31,719
Speaker 1: holes today and I can give myself more than one

1345
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 1: look today at making a legit.

1346
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:39,120
Speaker 2: Birdie, Dude, if you hit three gi rs, amazing, three looks,

1347
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 2: you might have great, great question, What is a legitimate

1348
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 2: look at bertie at that level? If you have a

1349
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:49,120
Speaker 2: twenty foot birdie putt, you are flushing it amazing for you.

1350
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:53,080
Speaker 2: The difference that I learned and I learned competitive golf

1351
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:55,720
Speaker 2: in pro golf because I never played amateur golf, I

1352
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:58,559
Speaker 2: never played youth golf, high school, off whatever. Pros are

1353
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:01,360
Speaker 2: really good at making pars and bogie. When you think

1354
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 2: they're going to make a double, they make a five.

1355
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:06,720
Speaker 2: When you think they're gonna make bogie. They find a

1356
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 2: way to make the seven footer for par. It's not

1357
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 2: making eight birdies around. Yes, when guys shoot sixty two,

1358
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:15,519
Speaker 2: when they have the heater going, they're going to make

1359
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:16,760
Speaker 2: everything insighte.

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Speaker 1: Look at the reaction next time you watch a tour event,

1361
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:21,720
Speaker 1: and look at the reaction when someone holds a ten

1362
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 1: footer for Park versus the ten foot birdie pot Sure

1363
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 1: the reaction is very different. You will see people make

1364
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:33,400
Speaker 1: the ten footer for Birdie and basically show no emotion.

1365
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:36,840
Speaker 1: And then you will see someone with a downhill left

1366
01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:40,840
Speaker 1: to right putt for par on tour on the back

1367
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:43,839
Speaker 1: nine to keep the round going, and the body language

1368
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 1: and the fist pump will be very different. And the

1369
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:50,599
Speaker 1: interaction between when the player goes over to the caddy,

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01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 1: the fist pump, the high five, the slap on the

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01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:56,799
Speaker 1: back for the ten footer for par is very different

1372
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 1: than the ten footer for Birdie.

1373
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 2: The loss of version theory, it's literally what you're just driving.

1374
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:03,120
Speaker 2: Loss of version theory. Human beings want to not lose

1375
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:05,519
Speaker 2: more than they want to win, and so making the

1376
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 2: birdies good but not making bogies even better. Fascinating research

1377
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:12,720
Speaker 2: study out there. I'm sure someone can look it up.

1378
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:15,160
Speaker 2: But if you tell someone a six footers for par

1379
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:17,679
Speaker 2: versus six footer for birdie, the make rate is different,

1380
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:20,599
Speaker 2: same putt, same as if you tell someone a par

1381
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:23,880
Speaker 2: four is a par five. Bryson had a fascinating thing

1382
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 2: about calling Augusta a par sixty seven, and he got

1383
01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:29,720
Speaker 2: roasted for it. He got crushed for it, but it

1384
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:32,880
Speaker 2: was an interesting concept. Him saying to himself, it's a

1385
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:33,759
Speaker 2: par sixty seven.

1386
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 1: Changing his didn't help that he missed the cut.

1387
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:38,719
Speaker 2: Didn't help me miss the cut, and obviously it didn't

1388
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:41,439
Speaker 2: work out, you know whatever. Bryson has some fascinating theories,

1389
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:43,880
Speaker 2: but it was it was an interesting idea by saying, look,

1390
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 2: I'm preparing myself today. If you're playing a Monday qualifier

1391
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:49,640
Speaker 2: and you're a you know, corn fairy guy, it's a

1392
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:50,479
Speaker 2: par sixty five.

1393
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you if you shoot four under your good life,

1394
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:56,880
Speaker 1: you might as if you're four under truck, if you're

1395
01:10:57,040 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 1: if you're four understanding on the eighteenth hole, you're trying

1396
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 1: to Monday qualifier for a PGA Tour event, hold it.

1397
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:05,080
Speaker 1: Most of the time you're either gonna hold it, or

1398
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:09,040
Speaker 1: you know that if you make par, it's over. You've

1399
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:10,679
Speaker 1: shot four under and you've got no chance.

1400
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:14,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. That's the thing that like playing professional golf Monday qualifiers.

1401
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:16,600
Speaker 2: It's such a unique skill versus as you and I

1402
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:19,559
Speaker 2: are talking about the average golfer who's listening to this podcast.

1403
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:24,479
Speaker 2: It's ninety nine point nine percent of golfers. That's golf.

1404
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 2: The professional golf is such a niche, little game of

1405
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:31,760
Speaker 2: margins and freak athletes with skill. The average golfer listening

1406
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:34,040
Speaker 2: at home, listen to what Claude said, Right, don't make

1407
01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:36,280
Speaker 2: triple in your break one hundred. That's what it is,

1408
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:40,439
Speaker 2: my girlfriend, don't four putt? I love you, please three putt,

1409
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 2: make the three footer for your third putt.

1410
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:45,040
Speaker 1: If you go back and you look at your round,

1411
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:48,720
Speaker 1: you will look at something in your round and go,

1412
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:53,200
Speaker 1: man if I just don't do that, I actually didn't

1413
01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:56,639
Speaker 1: really play that bad today, regardless of what your handicapped.

1414
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:58,040
Speaker 2: Doesn't matter, right, doesn't matter.

1415
01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 1: You will look at a stretch of holes where you

1416
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 1: say to yourself, man if I just bogey all those holes, yeah,

1417
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 1: I go saving six shots right there right there by

1418
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:14,919
Speaker 1: just making bogies, not making doubles, not making triples.

1419
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 2: Sure.

1420
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:18,360
Speaker 1: Lastly, Nico, I mean we could talk for three hours

1421
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:21,880
Speaker 1: on this golf blueprint dot com. If people want to

1422
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 1: get better, tell me what you've designed, what they get,

1423
01:12:28,479 --> 01:12:32,080
Speaker 1: and what the object of Golf Blueprint is four players totally.

1424
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:33,959
Speaker 2: So the number one thing I would say to everybody

1425
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 2: is follow the Instagram. And the reason is I I

1426
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:39,360
Speaker 2: claud season every day. I post every single day what

1427
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:41,640
Speaker 2: I'm learning. So no matter what the research is, if

1428
01:12:41,640 --> 01:12:43,200
Speaker 2: I have a tour pro, if I have just what

1429
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:46,920
Speaker 2: I'm learning, I give away all that information for free.

1430
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:49,519
Speaker 2: I don't charge for that. That to me is really

1431
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:52,720
Speaker 2: important that someone might not be able to afford golf

1432
01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 2: Blueprint right now. And I understand that it's expensive. I

1433
01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:57,679
Speaker 2: have two plans. One of them's forty dollars a month,

1434
01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:00,559
Speaker 2: the other one's one hundred. We're always working to make

1435
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:03,200
Speaker 2: it better. But if you sign up for that, if

1436
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:04,840
Speaker 2: you sign up for the one hundred dollars plan, it's

1437
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:07,599
Speaker 2: called the Players, you'll get a customized practice plan based

1438
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:10,720
Speaker 2: on our algorithm. And then the classic plan, which is

1439
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:13,760
Speaker 2: forty is our algorithm's best guess. That's the best way

1440
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:16,800
Speaker 2: to describe it. The tour business is an entirely other thing.

1441
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:18,679
Speaker 2: If you play on the PDA Tour and you work

1442
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 2: with Claude, great, But I don't work with other players,

1443
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:24,960
Speaker 2: if that makes sense. But for the average person at home,

1444
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:26,759
Speaker 2: I would say, you don't need to buy anything today

1445
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 2: to get better right now this afternoon, I hope you

1446
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:31,519
Speaker 2: listen to this, and I hope you took away Claude

1447
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:34,599
Speaker 2: andize takeaways on how to improve for free. Those don't

1448
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 2: cost you any money. Going to the driving range with

1449
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:39,960
Speaker 2: a plan costs you nothing. All you need to do

1450
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:41,960
Speaker 2: is think about your golf course, think about the way

1451
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:44,400
Speaker 2: you play the game, and more importantly, how you want

1452
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 2: to play the game. That's hugely important. If you want

1453
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 2: to play the game like Bryson, do it. If you

1454
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:52,720
Speaker 2: want to hit irons like Tommy Fleetwood do it. If

1455
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:55,240
Speaker 2: you want to hit you know, bunker shots like Tech,

1456
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 2: whatever it might be that's going to keep you coming

1457
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:01,240
Speaker 2: back and keep the game engaging. Golf is meant to

1458
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:04,720
Speaker 2: be fun, and I think that sometimes amateurs forget that

1459
01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 2: you might've shot seventy five one time and that's incredible.

1460
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:10,120
Speaker 2: Just because you shot eighty to day doesn't it's not

1461
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:10,719
Speaker 2: a bad round.

1462
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:15,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that in looking at you know,

1463
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:17,320
Speaker 1: obviously you and I have talked a lot about what

1464
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:19,280
Speaker 1: golf flue print does. I think what it does is

1465
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:25,400
Speaker 1: it gives people another element of their practice to say, Okay,

1466
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:28,800
Speaker 1: I've worked on my technique today. Sure, there's only so

1467
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:34,200
Speaker 1: much in an hour from a technique standpoint that you

1468
01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:38,080
Speaker 1: can make gains. Right, Absolutely, Obviously, practicing is like going

1469
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:40,240
Speaker 1: to the gym. Right, if you're trying to lose weight,

1470
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:42,439
Speaker 1: if you put the time in, got to do it,

1471
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:45,160
Speaker 1: you will. If you're trying to lose weight and you

1472
01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 1: go to the gym five days a week, you will

1473
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:51,280
Speaker 1: see improvement. Sure, right by just going by just doing

1474
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:54,439
Speaker 1: show up, show up, will you will see some games.

1475
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 1: But I think the games that I think everyone listening

1476
01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 1: can can benefit from is saying, Okay, I've done my

1477
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 1: technical work today. I've worked on the technique aspect of

1478
01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 1: my game. Now let me go spend some time on

1479
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:18,920
Speaker 1: playing playing golf, playing on you know, a jungle gym,

1480
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:21,640
Speaker 1: which is the driving range. Your driving range could be

1481
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 1: the equivalent of going to a park and seeing a

1482
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:27,320
Speaker 1: jungle gym and saying, Okay, I'm going to play on

1483
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:29,760
Speaker 1: the jungle gym. Yes, but then I'm also got two

1484
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 1: of my friends, So now we're going to see who

1485
01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 1: can climb to the top of the jungle gym the

1486
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:39,679
Speaker 1: fastest or take the most difficult route to go. You're

1487
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:42,040
Speaker 1: learning so much. One of the most fascinating things that

1488
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:46,880
Speaker 1: really changed for me learning is I was at a

1489
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:50,320
Speaker 1: TPI seminar with Greg Rose and he was talking about,

1490
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:53,280
Speaker 1: you know, failure as being a big part of the

1491
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:56,640
Speaker 1: learning process, have to fail. And he was talking and

1492
01:15:56,680 --> 01:15:58,720
Speaker 1: so he said, to any he said, we see this

1493
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:01,960
Speaker 1: with kids. He said, anybody in the room have very

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Speaker 1: young kids just learning to walk, and they raise you know,

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Speaker 1: people raise their hands and he says, okay, did anybody

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Speaker 1: in the room's child go from crawling one day to

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Speaker 1: just standing up and walking and didn't fall? Sure, And

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Speaker 1: someone will invariably, very proudly raise their hand and say, yes,

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Speaker 1: my son, little Timmy just got up one day and

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Speaker 1: started walking.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I'll never forget this. You know what Greg Grove said,

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Speaker 1: Knock him down, because if he doesn't learn how to

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Speaker 1: stand up, get his balance, then fall down, then learn

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Speaker 1: how to get and figure out how to pull himself

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Speaker 1: back up. That is a massive part about learning how

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Speaker 1: to walk, and he was saying that all of the

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Speaker 1: studies they show kids that just wake up one day

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Speaker 1: and start walking tend to be in later life vastly

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Speaker 1: uncoordinated because they never learned the struggle of getting up.

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Speaker 1: So I think what you've come up with is a

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Speaker 1: way that people can say, Okay, I've figured out I'm

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Speaker 1: working on these singles going to work. We're always going

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Speaker 1: to be working on parts of your technique. You can

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Speaker 1: always drive it better, Yes, you can always groove your

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Speaker 1: path more into out than out to in. But then

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Speaker 1: you have to spend some time saying, Okay, I'm a

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Speaker 1: hundred handicapper, I'm trying to break a hundred. I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to break ninety. Let me put myself in game situations

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Speaker 1: that are going to help me do that.

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Speaker 2: And more importantly, be willing to fail. Yeah, Claude, I

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Speaker 2: fail every single day. I fail every single day at

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Speaker 2: the driving range because if I wasn't, i'd be the

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Speaker 2: number one player in the world, and the number one

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Speaker 2: player in the world. You and I both work with

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Speaker 2: these guys. They're failing everything, fail all the time. I

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Speaker 2: am willing to fail because I'm willing to learn, And

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Speaker 2: as you said about the child, that kid is learning

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Speaker 2: how to learn, and they're learning how they walk, how

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Speaker 2: they crawl, how they fall, how they get back up.

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Speaker 2: And I love the idea of the jungle gym. Look

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Speaker 2: at the way a kid looks at the jungle gym

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Speaker 2: versus how you and I do. What do we see

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Speaker 2: when we look at that? I look at a golf

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Speaker 2: driving range as the kid in the jungle gym. I

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Speaker 2: look at it with endless possibilities. It doesn't matter where

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Speaker 2: it is. I go to different driving ranges every day

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Speaker 2: on purpose to just look at them differently. As how

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Speaker 2: do I, like you said, how do I make this

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Speaker 2: more difficult? Hit Ball's out of dibots, you flush it,

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Speaker 2: hip Ball's out of divts, hip ball's off the dirt.

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Speaker 2: It's fricking hard, you know learning, it's learning, And more importantly,

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Speaker 2: I think that people need to be kinder to themselves

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Speaker 2: when you're learning a new skill. I am constantly trying

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Speaker 2: to be a beginner. I recently restarted jiu jitsu. I'm

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Speaker 2: a white belt. I am out of shape. I get

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Speaker 2: choked out constantly. I'm the big you know, doctor Nico

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Speaker 2: Darris at the golf course, you know, country club guy.

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Speaker 2: And then I go to jiu jitsu and I'm just Nico,

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Speaker 2: the white belt who doesn't know you know how to

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Speaker 2: do any moves. It's important because I'm learning how to

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Speaker 2: learn again. I'm learning how to fail and being okay

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Speaker 2: with that. The day that I stop failing is the

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Speaker 2: day that I stopped learning.

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Speaker 1: He goes, like I said, we could spend the next

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Speaker 1: ten hours doing this podcast and talking about it. We'll

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Speaker 1: get you back on again. Thanks golfflueprint dot com. Check

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Speaker 1: it out. Son of a Butch comes to you every Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: We will see you all next week.