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Hello everybody, my name 27 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,559 Speaker 2: is Luke Thomas, joined by my co host Brian Campbell 28 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 2: from CBS Sports. 29 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: We're back. 30 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 2: We're back, I back, I back everyone. 31 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: Trust me. We're back with a bang, back with another 32 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: one of those block rocking beats, and back from Bogata. Brother, 33 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: what do you got any contraband for us? What's going on? 34 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 2: I don't know why you're so racist towards Colombians, but 35 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 2: you are, in fact the white devil, not not the 36 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 2: cocaine you. Oh wow, did you miss me? 37 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: I did. Although Chuck is becoming a people love Chuck. 38 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: I mean his que rating is through the roof, but uh, 39 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: he slept over the night before and the bombs shelter. 40 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: He's like part of the family. 41 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 2: He certainly is a lot to get to. We got 42 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 2: let's see you're what are you flying to Las Vegas? 43 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: That will be Wednesday. 44 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 2: Wednesday, so you're gonna be out there for Canila Coble. 45 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about that today. The BMF title. 46 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: Got a little dicey last week, but it's so long, 47 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: we're gonna get you ready for you. This carl almost 48 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: became a fight night and I hurry wow. 49 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 2: But we'll talk about that in just a second as well, 50 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 2: plus everything else that happened over the weekend, So let's 51 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 2: get right into it. 52 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: Well, no, no, we're not gonna break down the vacation. 53 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 2: We're not gonna What do you want to know? 54 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: What did you do? 55 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 2: What did I do? Here's what I'll be honest about it. 56 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: Machu Pichu, what do you got for that? That's Peru? Racist, 57 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 1: all right? You kill a soccer player? What did you do? 58 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 2: That is Colombia. But that was twenty years ago. It's 59 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 2: a nice place. We went to Bogata for a few 60 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 2: days because my wife is from there, and then we 61 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 2: went to call up to Hennah And and that's the beach. 62 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 2: So it was cold and hot and it was cool. 63 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 2: But the thing is we vacationed with our daughter for 64 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 2: the first time. She's six months. 65 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 1: Dude, you can't it's not really vacation. No, I give 66 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: anybody that's that's that brave. 67 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 2: You can't you can't like because you can't go out 68 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 2: a night like you gotta be there with the kids. 69 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: I'm sure it's beautiful. I saw a lot of mountains 70 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,239 Speaker 1: in your pictures. Yeah. When I think Columbia, though, I 71 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: think coffee and cocaina. Is there there's an in between those. 72 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 2: Coin is not a word coaina, No it's not. 73 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: I'm more from the coast. 74 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 2: I'm card you got that, you got that costagno accent. No, 75 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 2: it's cool. The coffee was great, foods amazing. People are 76 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 2: super super friendly. But it was a little it was 77 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 2: and also the altitude sickness like kind of messed my 78 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 2: daughter up a little bit for the But the beach, 79 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 2: that beach life, that piecina life, to play a life. 80 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 2: She was all about it. So was cool. In the end, 81 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 2: I suppose not to be back. 82 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, well the vacation's over. You want to talk 83 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: anti doping, you want to go. 84 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 2: Quickly by the way, the roots of fight. I got 85 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 2: my iPad here, but show them your shirt. 86 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: Here, well like the roots of merch. 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They do the best T shirts. 94 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: They've been outfitting men in hall for a long time. 95 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: He looks great in those hodies, he certainly does. 96 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 2: I'll just point out they've been doing like merch better 97 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 2: than anyone else in the space. And they do more 98 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 2: than just merch in the space. They always tell you 99 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 2: they do good stuff. So they got some pro wrestling 100 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 2: stuff too for you donks out there. 101 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: I'm trying, I'm not be facetious. 102 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 2: I'm told the entre of the Giant one is like a. 103 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 1: Chinese language or the jump sorry, the Japanese letters on there. 104 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 2: So at any event you saw the code up there, 105 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 2: go get go get some merch for UFC two forty four. Okay, 106 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 2: speaking of which, over the last week, boy, what do 107 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 2: you want to say? It came dangerously close to going away. 108 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 2: But the BMF title will still be up for grabs 109 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 2: on Saturday Madison Square Garden when a DS does in 110 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 2: fact take on Jorge Masitoll. But but but he came 111 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 2: close to not doing that, putting out a message on 112 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 2: Twitter certainly social media, saying he had tested positive for 113 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 2: elevated levels. He was told, in his words, to keep quiet. 114 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 2: We come to find out it was not provisionally suspended 115 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 2: because if USADA has just unilaterally decided to rewrite their 116 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 2: rules along with the UFC. But in any event, he 117 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 2: essentially strong armed Yousa to and the UFC to come 118 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 2: out and exonerate him, which they did. Now, Campbell, ordinarily 119 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 2: I like to go first on our a topics or 120 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 2: one a time. 121 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 1: I think the people are waiting with baited breath to 122 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: hear you just splatter now, no splatter anti doping hate 123 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: like somebody spell this time and people think I'm against 124 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: anti doping. I'm not. 125 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 2: I'm against you saw it. There's a big difference. But 126 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 2: why don't you go first on this one? What was 127 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 2: your big takeaway from everything that happened with Nate Diz 128 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 2: First thing, he didn't want to fight. Then them coming 129 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 2: out and say we have these new rules and the 130 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 2: fight still on, So I guess fans should be happy. 131 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: What do you think I came out of here as 132 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:44,239 Speaker 1: just another sort of zapping my confidence that you Sawa 133 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 1: is a credible body to handle antidoping on this level 134 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: across the board with UFC when it seems like special 135 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 1: treatment is given to the higher name fighters. Did I 136 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: want this fight card to fall apart? No? Did it 137 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: seem a little sketchy when Natie is going out of 138 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: his way to try to clear his own name and saying, no, 139 00:05:58,680 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: I will not do what you told me to do, 140 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: which is which has gone and fight and forget this 141 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: happened and we'll figure it out after. So my big 142 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 1: question before we even get into what this says about, Yesada, 143 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: who's right? Who's wrong? All that? If Nate didn't say anything, 144 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: would he have thought would he have potentially one and 145 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 1: been cleared without any of us knowing that? If that's 146 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 1: the case, I have got a problem with that. Why 147 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 1: there's an extreme lack of transparency in there that in 148 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 1: my eyes, in the way they handle it seems like 149 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 1: rules are just changed out of nowhere. It seems like, 150 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 1: like I mentioned the bigger name guys, I mean the 151 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: handling of John Jones, as you know over the last 152 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: year seems unprecedented. The moving the card during Christmas Week 153 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: from Vegas to la is just bizarre and ridiculous. And 154 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: then the whole idea of like, well, look, he keeps 155 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: pulsing for this. We don't really know how and why, 156 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 1: but scientifically we got to tell you it's not helping 157 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 1: him at all to just be able to stand on 158 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: that ledge for a fighter of his stature and just 159 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 1: be like, yeah, nothing to see here, everything's fine. That 160 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: shows me, uh, there's no one driving the driving the 161 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: ship right here. And I know that there's a sort 162 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: of follow up for some people. You saw Kevin Ioli 163 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: of Yahoo had a column saying like, look, everybody, this 164 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 1: Nate Diaz situation proves that Yousada's got it figured out. 165 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: It proves that they're ahead of the game. On Antioping, 166 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: I don't think it proves that at all. I think 167 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: it proves that it's just another situation where either they're 168 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: gonna they're too harsh, or they're not harsh enough, or 169 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: sometimes they're just throwing the balls in there and saying, hey, 170 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: this looks good to us. We're just gonna roll with it, 171 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: or there's other times where you don't know information that's 172 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: happening until after the fact. It seems like a big 173 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: s show to me and anybody who comes from the 174 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: boxing side like I do and has seen you sada's 175 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: bad reputation on that side before they even joined forces 176 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: with UFC to see credible boxing. Journalists and author Thomas 177 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: Houser last year come out with that long expos saying, look, 178 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: in nine years, there's been fifteen hundred tests done in 179 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: boxing by USADA, and they've caught one person Eric Morales 180 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: twenty twelve, one person in fifteen hundred tests. One person, 181 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: one person, one friggin person, Luke. 182 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 2: With a retroactive TIU for Floyd maywe one person. 183 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: I don't know if you're understanding the words coming out 184 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: of my mouth. One person fifteen hundred, how many one? Right, 185 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,679 Speaker 1: you guys, I've gotten a y cleft right now. One time, 186 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: one person in fifteen hundred tests. And yet we're supposed 187 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: to believe on the flip side that when they're finding 188 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: tiny little peagograms that everything's all good. You can't have 189 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: it all like you can't be you can't have two 190 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: completely different reputations at one time and then have people 191 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: writing columns saying this is the most you know, credible 192 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: body in the world test testing people. 193 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I have a lot of thoughts about this. 194 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 2: I mean the whole thing to me, like if the 195 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 2: only real lesson to observe from this entire situation is 196 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 2: that I told you so, I told you so. Pop quiz, 197 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 2: just give me your honest assessment. 198 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: Do you do you really? Do you really think that TJ. 199 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 2: Delashaw is the only person who either A takes EPO 200 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 2: or B took EPO in. 201 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: The last four years? Absolutely not right, Okay, I mean 202 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: that's just I mean a pop quiz of a snapshot 203 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: of combat sports in the last decade where we're saying 204 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: more and more guys over thirty five who are getting 205 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: quicker and bigger and stronger and faster and all these things. 206 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: And it's not they're training year round. I get that 207 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: compared to the fifties when guys are smoking cigarettes between 208 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 1: fights and getting fat. I mean, we got to wake 209 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: up to what's going on here. So I have to 210 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: ask you you want some form of antioping, right, yes, okay? 211 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: So would you rather which way? Would you rather have it, 212 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: because we seem to be getting both from you, Usada. 213 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: Would you rather have where everything is showing up on 214 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: the screen or only when someone is obviously doing it 215 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: wrong and badly attempting to try to break the system. 216 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: And then they get in trouble because I want I 217 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: want them to be black and white. I don't want. 218 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 2: Well, you're never going to get that right, which is 219 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 2: the problem of antidoping. They want to tell you that 220 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:33,959 Speaker 2: we can get a black and white world, and they can't. 221 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 2: Here's what's really what was stunning about the entire thing 222 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 2: people have. Okay, here's the first problem, and this is 223 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 2: what I keep telling everybody. And I don't understand what 224 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 2: this argument. You could say I'm wrong about a lot 225 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 2: of things, on this one, I'm not. I'm just not. 226 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 2: They are Yusada. They are no more allowed to have 227 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 2: a seat at the table than rebok. I don't understand 228 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 2: why people seem to be resist to this argument. Let 229 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 2: me see if I can understand this. They pass themselves 230 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 2: off as fighter friendly. We're here to really service the fighters. 231 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 2: They suggest that what they do is in service of 232 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:14,719 Speaker 2: a larger purpose, but individualized towards those the rights of 233 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 2: clean athletes, They say, Brian Campbell, how on earth do 234 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 2: you secure the rights of clean athletes if you overrun 235 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 2: the rights of all athletes generally, if you don't allow 236 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 2: the fighters to have a seat at the table, which, 237 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:31,319 Speaker 2: by the way, VADA, the Voluntary Antidoping Association does they 238 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 2: do not run into this problem. 239 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: OHVADA, by the way, is reportedly cheaper than you SAA. 240 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: Another people are going out of their way to use YOUSADA, 241 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: which is telling you something, Luke. 242 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 2: Hold on, understand something. And I said this on my 243 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 2: own personal YouTube channel, which is the fighters seem to 244 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 2: be under this impression that YOUSADA is on their side, 245 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 2: that they're the buddy organization. And you see those videos 246 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 2: that you SAWA tweets out, these like dear leader videos 247 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 2: like I'm so glad you saw ITAs here. Meanwhile, they're 248 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 2: catching G and C users and then people coming off 249 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 2: the regional scene who have no money to cheat very well. 250 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 2: Everyone who's got money to cheat and get designer stuff, 251 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 2: they all seed to be doing just fine. The whole 252 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:08,319 Speaker 2: point is this, dude, and I know this for a fact, 253 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 2: USADA exists to serve the shield. They serve the only 254 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 2: master that pays them, which is the UFC, which is 255 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 2: in the event of crises exactly, God forbid, the UFC 256 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 2: can say, hey, look we did the most antidoping we 257 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 2: possibly could. We have the most aggressive kind. It'll secure 258 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 2: us from some kind of potential fallout, will wake up fighters. 259 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 2: This is what yousada is. They are enablers of monopolists. 260 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 2: They are not your hold on, let me finish. They 261 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 2: are not your friends. They are not concerned with your 262 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 2: well being. Ask Tom Lawler, Ask Josh Barnett, ask Ten 263 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:44,959 Speaker 2: king Yo, ask Neil Magney, ask any. 264 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: Of these people justified. 265 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 2: The point being here is they have this weird and 266 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 2: utterly undeserved reputation as a fighter force organization. Know they 267 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 2: are not they They exist to serve the interests the 268 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 2: broader UFC shield. 269 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: And if they happen on an occasion. 270 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 2: To serve your interests or in another fighter's interest or whoever, 271 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 2: by catching it, a real cheater, okay, fine, well if 272 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:11,959 Speaker 2: they're happy to hammer you on the other end of things. 273 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 2: This is the key point about this. You mentioned the 274 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 2: Atlanta part about Nate Diaz. People are saying, well, there's 275 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 2: a non story here. This is a morally bankrupt position. 276 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 2: You don't get fighters to see at the table, you 277 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:27,959 Speaker 2: don't allow them to have anything to push forward their 278 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,079 Speaker 2: own future. They come out and they explicitly say Nate 279 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 2: Diz is exonerated, which they don't do for anybody else. 280 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 2: And you want me to believe that this is real 281 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:39,079 Speaker 2: and effective anti dope and get the fuck out of here. 282 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: The fact turned around in twenty four hours, the fact 283 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: that a fighter was allowed to strong arm them, and 284 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: by the way, you want to talking with a BMF title, 285 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: crown them. Crown Nate Diaz for basically saving that entire 286 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: card just by his own stubbornness and willing to take 287 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: this chance and put it out there and out himself 288 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: to try to out the system as a whole. This 289 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: is not progress. That they turn this around in twenty 290 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: four hours. Is how many other people are getting destroyed 291 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: by They didn't do a bunch of tests in twenty 292 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 1: four hours. That part is misunderstood. They had changed the 293 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: rules all the way back in August thirty. First, they 294 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: just didn't tell anybody, which, by the way, is insane 295 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: that this happens. What they did was, here's what Nate 296 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: forced them to do. 297 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 2: He forced them to go out there and say to them, 298 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:20,959 Speaker 2: I'm innocent, say it to them. And you had Dana 299 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 2: tweeted Yusada releasing a statement, and you have c releasing 300 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 2: a statement. That should happen for every single fighter. Otherwise 301 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 2: you have a two tier system of justice. And you 302 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 2: saw it should say some people get the Nate DS 303 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 2: treatment and everyone else can go fuck themselves. 304 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 1: The whole John Jones handling I thought was a clown show. 305 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 1: I think this takes an up a notch. But I 306 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: just want to ask you specifically what I mentioned about 307 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:41,839 Speaker 1: the fifteen hundred and one test in boxing, and one 308 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: comes up, and that one only came up, by the way, 309 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: because a website at the time had found out the 310 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: information and pushed it out there. Does that tell you 311 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: that certain people that all entities want you SADA for 312 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: the backbone for what you're saying, potential tragedy. Hey, look 313 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: we've been doing We've been doing doping from the beginning. 314 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: We've been testing these guys from the beginning. Does that 315 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: tell you that some people want to put out a 316 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: front that says, look, we're nabbing everybody left and right 317 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: in other people's own. 318 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 2: Yes, I've been saying this since day one. A lot 319 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 2: of anti doping dude testing is not totally It does 320 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 2: catch some cheaters. It is predominantly theater. It is predominant. 321 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 2: You can see the message here that that NADAS put up. 322 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 2: It is predominantly theater. It is designed to catch the 323 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 2: low level offenders and then the occasional idiot who gets 324 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 2: out in front of their own skis a little bit. 325 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 2: But the real big fish, like for example, in Nike 326 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 2: just had one i think their CEO resign and they 327 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 2: got Alberto Salazar, who by the way, isn't even eligible 328 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 2: to be testing. 329 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: And know how they got them snitching investigations. 330 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 2: That's how they get the real big fish, the ones 331 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 2: who've been doing all of the really bad stuff. These 332 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 2: these guys from the who've been fighting on you know, 333 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 2: you know, asshole FC and loser you know, Fighting Championship 334 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 2: or whoever. They're catching those guys because they're trying to 335 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 2: cheat on the regional scene to get to the UFC. 336 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 2: And then they're catching the Neo Magnes of the world, 337 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 2: the Nate diaz Is. 338 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: Of the world. 339 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 2: Is this is this is a they've done what thirteen 340 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 2: thousand tes they've caught predominantly supplement users. Do people wake up. 341 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 2: I've been saying to this since they this is and 342 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 2: this is why it's important, Brian, because you are abridging 343 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 2: the rights of athletes in order to do this. You 344 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 2: are making Tim Kennedy shower in front of people. You 345 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 2: are destroying the MMA career of Augusto Menez A Mendez. 346 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 2: You are You're forcing Josh Barnett to pay thousands for 347 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 2: what just to come back to square one. Dude, it 348 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 2: is unconscionable. It is unconscionable. It is evil, and it 349 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 2: is morally bankrupt. And USADA has this reputation like worthy 350 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:32,359 Speaker 2: adults in the room. Dude, you are the enablers of monopolists. 351 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 2: That is what you are. 352 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, that's a man with conviction right there. We 353 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: know that this is your thing, right You're known for 354 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: the beard, You're known for the antipd stance. But let's 355 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: or the anti handling of it. I just want to 356 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: find some kind of common ground. How do we fix 357 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: this moving forward? How do we use this lesson, this 358 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: experience to inform how you SATA could work with the UFC. 359 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: This is quite simple. 360 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 2: You get athlete buy in what they have the most 361 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 2: skin in the game, so you you do not take 362 00:15:57,880 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 2: away what the commissions are doing. You keep that in 363 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 2: place because it's by law. And then the rest of 364 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 2: it is athlete buying this whole thing about like, oh, 365 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 2: I'm so glad you saw it. This is here, boy. 366 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 2: I would love to see them take the Pepsi challenge 367 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 2: where it's no longer mandatory. Let's see who signs up 368 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 2: for it. Let's make it voluntary, and then that's a 369 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 2: system where you have real at the people who suffer 370 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 2: the most, potentially who stand the most to lose, stand 371 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 2: the most to gain. They're the ones who collectively have 372 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 2: their own say. Well, let them have their own say, 373 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 2: and if they want to have VADA, then they can 374 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 2: have vada. I'm not against it. What I'm against this 375 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 2: this coercion that's not transparent. And I'm really truly sick 376 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 2: of USADA getting this reputation like we're here to service 377 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 2: the fighters, you service the shield of monopoly. 378 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: And you want to go back to pre UFC deal 379 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: and go back to the boxing history. There's a lot 380 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: of question marks that come out there. You said Pepsi challenge, 381 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: I would have thought you'd done the coke challenge in Colombia. 382 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: But that's another story. But here's the reality right here. 383 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: Two forty four, we talked about that big press conference 384 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: they did on the water in New York just didn't 385 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: seem to hit the right notes to actually get you 386 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: fired up for it. I feel like this was the 387 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: controversy they needed. This almost this makes Nate look like 388 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 1: a hero, Nate look like an absolute badass. Unfortunately, you're 389 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,640 Speaker 1: not getting the Nate versus Jorge Hey. And I'm gonna 390 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: tell you and you already know this, at the end 391 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 1: of the day, that main event on Saturday is going 392 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: to be hillacious. There's no scenario in the x's and 393 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: o's where it's not going to be all fun and games, 394 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: all entertainment, all violence all the time. But there was 395 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:23,360 Speaker 1: that sort of like ho hum bridge to get there. 396 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: The card got some fights I want to see, But 397 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 1: the card top to bottom is not in line with 398 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: the standards they established to begin when they finally got 399 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: into Madison Square Garden to New York. I feel like 400 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: this at least puts some buzz and spin. And now 401 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 1: it's like, I gotta hear what Nate's gonna say. I 402 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 1: gotta hear Jorge responds where coming in it was sort 403 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 1: of like who's gonna throw the first punch to make 404 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,199 Speaker 1: me really need to see it? I already know I 405 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: need to see it because I'm gonna get paid off 406 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: at the end. But if I'm on the fence, if 407 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 1: I'm on a casual, we need something, and this it 408 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: felt like it was a gift to them. UFC has 409 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 1: always been good at taking the dollars through the windows 410 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 1: and using it to their advantage. 411 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 2: Jay is up in my ear, harassing, He's up in 412 00:17:58,200 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 2: your ass. 413 00:17:58,720 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 1: Get them out of there. 414 00:17:59,920 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 2: The point being is I think you're right. Certainly, what's 415 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 2: a what's a BMF call? A BMF call is making 416 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 2: all the authorities in play exonerate you say nice things 417 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 2: about you. It's a real power move in that regard. 418 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 2: You're right. It doesn't do much necessarily for the Jorge 419 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 2: Masvidol element of it all, but maybe that will build 420 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 2: this week and makes Nate Diaz very anti hero on brand, 421 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 2: and I think that kind of elevates the show more general. 422 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: It's crazy. The turn, just a real quick it's crazy, 423 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: the complete one eighty turn. This man has made you 424 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: think he's the skipped Joey, We're sorry, a little j 425 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: problem right there. This is the guy that you would 426 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: think would be doing more drugs and trying to hide it, 427 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: and yet he's the absolute Robin Hood right. He's the 428 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 1: guy who's fighting the system and showing day after day 429 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 1: he's the real This is unbelievable. Where we started with 430 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 1: the Daz Brothers, who establish himself as first in coming, 431 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: all around full circle. 432 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 2: The gangster is a vegan. What can I say? The 433 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,719 Speaker 2: gangster is a vegan. He is a wolf in sheep's clothing, 434 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, or sheep and. 435 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: Wolfs cloth, Black Sheep, Great Black Sheep album. Let's move on. 436 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 2: So over the weekend, UFC Singapore took place ben Askrin 437 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 2: falling to one in two being submitted by Demian Maa. 438 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 2: Now I did my whole morning combat on this, Brian. 439 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 2: But the question is here, were about a year or 440 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 2: so past the initial trade between One Championship and UFC. 441 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,360 Speaker 2: They traded Demetrius Johnson to one and allegedly or whatever 442 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 2: you want to call it, and then they put Ben 443 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 2: Askern in UFC. There's a question about whether now who 444 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 2: won the trade? And I'll say this Brian. I mean, look, people, 445 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 2: if you okay. 446 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: So do you have a football team the Atlanta Falcons. Really, 447 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 1: but I'm not a hardcore anymore. I was back in 448 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:33,120 Speaker 1: like the Hammer days, you know what I'm saying. Okay, 449 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: Jerry Glanville was playing exactly all right, fair enough when 450 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 1: when left eye was burning people's houses down. 451 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 2: I'm in you who wasn't a fan in those days? 452 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 2: But I'm I'm a Skins fan in Washington, d C. 453 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 2: You got Trent Williams may be the best left tackle 454 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 2: in football and the dumbest man on the planet GM 455 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 2: Bruce Allen doesn't want to trade him, but if he 456 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 2: did trade him, he'd get him for like what maybe 457 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 2: a first second round pick, And in other words, there'd 458 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 2: be commensurate value, or at least perceived commensurate value. And 459 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 2: people are looking at this trade and they're saying, well, 460 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 2: you got a world class talent, a proven world class 461 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 2: talent in Demitrius Johnson, versus somebody who is now struggling 462 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 2: at the world class level. To a degree, right, the 463 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 2: two losses were not that great. One is a little 464 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 2: bit flucish in the sense that it was only five seconds, 465 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 2: but the win was also controversial that he got and 466 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 2: they're saying these are not equivalent things, and that part 467 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 2: is probably true at this point, although I don't think 468 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 2: Ben's career is over. There's still some to be learned there. 469 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 2: But let's assume that they're not commencing with values. Let's listen, 470 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 2: there's actually quite a disparity between them that to me, 471 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 2: is not the way to evalue with this trade. Look, 472 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 2: Dimitrius Johnson is happy at one. He's being well paid 473 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 2: at one. He wanted out of the UFC. He got 474 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 2: a bunch of value. One got a lot of value 475 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 2: in having somebody that good on their roster. UFC is 476 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 2: a much better fit for Ben Askrin than ONE was. 477 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 2: His trash talk is bravado. And there was this big 478 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 2: speculative question. This guy had spent the majority of his 479 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 2: career on the sidelines. You got to at least see 480 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 2: this question being at least attempted to be answered. So 481 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 2: and you could also say that the Jorge Masvidol popularity 482 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 2: BOO doesn't doesn't have without Ben Askering. So the thing is, 483 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 2: are the equivalent trades in the sense of goods for goods? 484 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 2: Not necessarily? But was it like number one Is it 485 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 2: good to get these guys out of the dentured servitude contracts? 486 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 1: Yes? 487 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 2: And moreover, fans, what do you want? You got a 488 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 2: chance to see an experiment. Maybe it's not gonna pan 489 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 2: out in favor of the way you thought it might, 490 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 2: but I'd rather see the attempt than not the attempt. 491 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: I mean, one championship until they make this the full 492 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:19,919 Speaker 1: US expansion and kind of go for it. They're a 493 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 1: classy boutique. DJ fits that more perfectly. But if you 494 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: want to know who won the trade, UFC has won, 495 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: is still winning and will continue to win the trade. 496 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 1: Because those three ben Askrin fights up to this point, 497 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 1: Luke have gotten more interest and attention unfortunately then most 498 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: recent Demetrius Johnson title defenses, which were largely happening on 499 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 1: UFC fight nights for a trend, for a stretch for 500 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: a while. For a reason, UFC won this trade because 501 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: when they look at these goods, they're not necessarily thinking 502 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,679 Speaker 1: or caring so much about well, DJ may end up 503 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: being our greatest flyway in one of our greatest fighters. 504 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: It's about commodity in the moment, and ben Askrim was 505 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: a better commodity and actually still is with these losses, 506 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 1: in getting Mosvidal over and bringing attention and bringing fun fights. 507 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 1: I think the bigger question here is anytime you have 508 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,239 Speaker 1: somebody in Ben askin spot, which was so dominant in 509 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: anywhere but the UFC, and you start making the same 510 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: type of debates that will probably have in a minute 511 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,919 Speaker 1: about Douglas Lima. You know, how do you compare what 512 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: he's doing to what's going on in the UFC. Where 513 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: would you rank him? And there were times that we 514 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 1: would say, look, ben Ascarin's looking so great, not taking 515 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: a loss, taking punishment and coming back and just controlling 516 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: people with this one skill. That man, what would it 517 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,479 Speaker 1: look like if he thought GSP and all this stuff. 518 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 1: And I think sometimes people get solved when they come 519 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: to the UFC right, Sometimes people having Eddie Alfas right 520 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: type run where they surprise you. This was one of 521 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: those where I think, unless Ben Asking can come back 522 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 1: with a run and really prove something if he feels 523 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: like he has to and needs to, this wasn't well. 524 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: It was a win in a victory from a brand standpoint, 525 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: from the idea of this man being a world ranked 526 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,640 Speaker 1: legitimate guy in the top two or three, not top ten, 527 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 1: but we're talking about at those times when he's blowing 528 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 1: people out in Belatore, and one we're like, what would 529 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: it look like against the UFC champion. I think those 530 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 1: were wishful. 531 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,439 Speaker 2: There were clearly there was. Look, there's clearly some overspeculation 532 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 2: going on, and this has been a bit of a 533 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 2: market correction. I think that's fair to say. 534 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 1: One. 535 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 2: I don't know what Ben's next step is, but if 536 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 2: he continues to pursue a career in UFC and he's 537 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 2: allowed to allowed to continue, one, I don't think it's 538 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 2: inconceivable a run. I don't know, but put some nice 539 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 2: wins together. I'm not ready to throw in the towel 540 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:22,919 Speaker 2: on that particular part yet, although that could be wrong too. 541 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm speculating, but I made this point 542 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 2: a morning combat dissected Brian Campbell, which was people are like, oh, 543 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,479 Speaker 2: he's thirty five, but DEMI and mayas forty one, now 544 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,679 Speaker 2: forty two. I think in a week or so, this 545 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 2: idea that like age is the excuse is not really fair. 546 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 2: First of all, forty two being doing what my is 547 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 2: doing is just insane. Number one. Number two, it's not 548 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,679 Speaker 2: an apples to apples comparison, dude, if you are on 549 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,199 Speaker 2: a path like he was in BELT or when he 550 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,919 Speaker 2: was beating Koreshkov and Amasu and Douglas Lima, and by 551 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 2: the way. 552 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,360 Speaker 1: Young koresh Coff and young Lima thought to be honest 553 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: with very young Ben Askron. 554 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 2: The Douglas Lima story, which we'll get to just a point, 555 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 2: is a question about longitudinal perseverance and having to be 556 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 2: part of a process that pushes you in that direction. 557 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 2: He was never really pushed. He went over to one 558 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,199 Speaker 2: because he couldn't get a shot in UFC in his 559 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 2: athletic prime. He thought a bunch of people he had 560 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:13,400 Speaker 2: no real reason to push himself against. Then he retired 561 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 2: folks forgets. He was done fighting, and then came back. 562 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 2: Here's my point. If you had stayed in the UFC, 563 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 2: or excuse me, if Askron had a chance to go 564 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 2: from let's say BELT or right to UFC, maybe he 565 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 2: would have washed out fast. I don't know, it's a possibility. 566 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 2: Or maybe he would have had some wins, maybe we 567 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 2: would have had some losses. But he would have been 568 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 2: part of a developmental process that would have either washed 569 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 2: him out or potentially pushed him to greatness. It's like 570 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 2: another fighter if they're good, but then they don't ever 571 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 2: get that pushed, then they get the thirty five. You 572 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 2: can't make up for lost time in that particular way. 573 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 2: So when people say, oh, well, it's not an excuse 574 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 2: Ben Askin super overrated again, maybe there is a bit 575 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 2: of a market correction happening, but I don't think you've 576 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 2: never been. It's not fair to somebody who was not 577 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 2: part of the real cauldron of the UFC process to 578 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 2: say now at thirty five, oh, they're super overrated. 579 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 1: So you're calling him marvitas a bonus. That's what you're 580 00:24:59,400 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: doing right now. 581 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 2: What I'm saying is if he had been a part 582 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 2: of that process during his athletic prime, it could be 583 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 2: a very very different answer. 584 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: But when you're trying to do that in your head 585 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,640 Speaker 1: and you're trying to mythically say what would it look 586 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 1: like if he came over, I think there we gave 587 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: so much credit to his one skill. And then you 588 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: get a guy obviously world class in great like Maya, 589 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: who had put a very strong performance and many ways 590 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: seemed to cancel out whatever Ben could do. And then 591 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 1: you basically saw two teachers in the breakroom, fighting over 592 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: a cup of coffee, trying to throw punches at each other. 593 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: It was it was maybe not the classiest fight. 594 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 2: I don't even understand that analogy the striking, Well, high 595 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:31,239 Speaker 2: school did you go to? 596 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 1: I went through it to a tough one, by the way, 597 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: nog too Kai, thank you the great. But the striking 598 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,360 Speaker 1: in this fight was, uh yeah, it. 599 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 2: Was not awesome. It was not the best thing. I 600 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 2: just think like, look, man, you know, it's how do 601 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 2: I explain it? It's certain portions of your life to 602 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,239 Speaker 2: get the most out of yourself. What if he had 603 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 2: gone to the UFC at age twenty eight, let's say, 604 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,880 Speaker 2: and gotten a loss, and he would have thought to himself, Jesus, 605 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 2: I really need to go and work on it. 606 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,239 Speaker 1: We never sent that tweet at Dana really right, all 607 00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 1: these things. 608 00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 2: But he had been gone to the UFC, got the loss. 609 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 2: What if that had retold him, changed things, got him 610 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 2: to a point where now he could push forward and 611 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 2: maximize his strengths. But if you're never forced to maximize 612 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 2: your strengths and then you're called upon it years afterwards, 613 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,399 Speaker 2: what are you realistically going to get out of that? 614 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: I don't I don't if I find it weird that 615 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 1: you're building this foundation of excuses. We're just basically saying 616 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: like he's got he's got if he wants. 617 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 2: To hang on, all of a sudden development doesn't matter. 618 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: Now it does. But the whole point was, even though 619 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: I feel like the UFC won the trade hot take 620 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 1: or not hipster take whatever, Yeah, I think they won 621 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 1: the trade marketing purposes, but he still hasn't really shown 622 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: us anything in the UFC outside of being able to 623 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: take a beating against Robby and persevere, which again I'm 624 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: going to give him credit for. But if he wants 625 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: to keep fighting, he's still got a lot to prove 626 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: that he's top five UFC level with that one great skill. 627 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 2: I just think lasting on this, I just think the 628 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 2: idea that you can look at him now and say, uh, yes, 629 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 2: was there a certain estimation of his abilities coming over 630 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 2: that was overstated pretty clearly. On the other hand, looking 631 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 2: at him now and saying this is all he ever 632 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 2: could have been, this is all that ever was when 633 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 2: he was denied the opportunity to maximize his ability, It's 634 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 2: just not fair. It's it's simple, it's simplest fact. 635 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: Ben he would have been going on in there against 636 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 1: primed GSP. 637 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 2: Fine, then maybe he would have lost and washed out 638 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,919 Speaker 2: and wouldn't have this curiosity. The curiosity is born of 639 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 2: the fact that he was denied the opportunity. That's my point. 640 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 2: And in that speculation, Yeah, you're gonna get some wild 641 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 2: ass theories. 642 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: I just don't normally see you go that direction. I 643 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: just love hard and fast. We don't protect anyone. 644 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 2: I just think it's really unfair people athletes think you're 645 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 2: just born good, dude, you get better. Douglas Lima when 646 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 2: he started as in Bellatour versus. Now look at the 647 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,679 Speaker 2: difference and it's not a yes. A lot of that 648 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 2: is just Douglas Leman being awesome. A lot of that 649 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 2: is him losing to Rory McDonald. A lot of that 650 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 2: is him losing to Ben Askern and then force himself 651 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 2: to going back and getting better and getting better and 652 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 2: getting better and getting better. No one ever forced that 653 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 2: on Ben Askern. 654 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: He was rolling through. I'm just saying to this show. 655 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: We cut to the chase, there's no friendships, right although downstairs, 656 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,160 Speaker 1: little brown hairs everywhere, we're a nasty be I don't care, 657 00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying I'll bring it around here. 658 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,880 Speaker 2: I'm just I'm not trying to protect anything. I don't 659 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 2: have any interviews lined up with Ben. I've not even 660 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 2: reached out to him. I just think it's unfair. I 661 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 2: just don't think it's fair, not totally fair. I'll say 662 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 2: it's halfway fair. 663 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: I don't know what happened to you in South America, 664 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 1: but it's you know, it must be a very I've 665 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 1: got a heart, Brian Campbell, I got a heart. Took 666 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,239 Speaker 1: a long time. Grant's great to see you back. 667 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 2: All right, all right, let's move on. Speaking of Douglas Leeam, 668 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,360 Speaker 2: I'm Brian Campbell. Do you go first on this one? 669 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: Boy? 670 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 2: He was out there winning not the most exciting fight 671 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 2: in the world, but he wins your welterweight Grand Prix 672 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 2: a million dollars. Has won every rematch now and in 673 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 2: this particular case, avenging his loss to Wary McDonald, he 674 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 2: is now again the Bellator welterweight champion of the world. 675 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 2: Brian Campbell, what do you make of his victory? Where 676 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 2: does he rank among walter. 677 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: Wad I was casigned for this fight. I interviewed both 678 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: last week in New York, spent a lot of time 679 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: with both was fired up like hell for this because 680 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 1: that first fight was so much fun. They both overcame 681 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 1: a lot in that situation and this fight was a 682 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: dud from an entertainment standpoint. But this fight played in 683 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: line with this great evolution of who Douglas Lima is. 684 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: He has improved in such consistent incremental status that this 685 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: hot run right now of knocking out MVP, of submitting 686 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: Koreshkov in their trilogy, and now beating Rory is impressive 687 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: as it is, but you go back and see how 688 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 1: he's done it by adding little bits to his game. 689 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: This was the showcase right here. I mentioned there was 690 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: a lot of entertainment. There was booze like crazy. There's 691 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: first two rounds. I may have fallen asleep cage side there, 692 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 1: but you know what, it got that way because Douglas 693 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: Lima learned from that first fight. You remember after round 694 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: four in Los Angeles, January twenty eighteen, fights up in 695 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: the air, it's even on the cards, and what happens. 696 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 1: Rory on one leg takes Lima down and spends that 697 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 1: whole final round on top of him, wins the fight. 698 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: So what did Lima have to do. He had to 699 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: figure out his wrestling and get it up to the 700 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 1: elite level of his striking and his leg kicks. He 701 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: showed you a little bit of that in the third 702 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: fight with Koreshkov. But for him to come out against 703 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: a Rory who physically still has mentally maybe another question 704 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: and we can talk about that, But to come out 705 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: there and stuff every single takedown more or less and 706 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: control Rory McDonald and put Rory in a spot where 707 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: you know, he said afterwards, you know, I thought I 708 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: had done more. I thought I was winning. I don't 709 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: know what he could have thought, because it wasn't that exciting. 710 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: But it was lima at every end, stopping what Rory 711 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: could do or was able to do. And when he 712 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: won it in fifty cent shows up with that bottle 713 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: of champagne, the million dollar check and the confetti falling 714 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: from the sky. This was a culmination of really a 715 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: guy who just put his head down and has become 716 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: one of the best in the world. That I want 717 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: to have that mythical talk with you right now. I 718 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: want to ask you if he gets in that damn Ackerton, 719 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: where is he rank? Where does the rank among Walter 720 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: Wait's what does the rank We really have to ask ourselves. Okay, 721 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: you stopped what fifteen Rory McDonald takedowns, which is very impressive, 722 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 1: But the top end of UFC right now is very 723 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 1: rustle heavy, So I would say he's uh, at worst 724 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: the third best walter weight in the world right now 725 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: with a wow that high? Yeah? 726 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, so the top five of walterweight or what the 727 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 2: top six of wone account kamorw's when the champion kamorrow, 728 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 2: They still have these. 729 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: Rankings in the UFC. These people do not know how 730 00:30:58,680 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: to do ranking. You know you are you in the 731 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: rank I didn't even know there was a rankings board. 732 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 1: I thought it was just a computer. 733 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 2: That people have Tyron Woody ranked as the number one 734 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 2: contender because they have no idea. 735 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: Well, they have that weird rule that if the champion 736 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: loses automatically number one. Well it's every time every time 737 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 1: the champion loses. 738 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 2: Are people who are doing it don't understand what the 739 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 2: rule means. That has to be an in house order though, maybe, 740 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 2: But the rankings are supposed to decide who was the 741 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 2: most deserving next contender for the title. To have Woodley 742 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 2: at one is insane in that regard, and it doesn't 743 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 2: mean he's not a good fighter, It just means in 744 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 2: that contentiership quit anyway. Kamaru, Woodley, Covington, Masvidal, Edwards, dos Angos, 745 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 2: those are your top six right there. 746 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: What does her rank in that space? I think he's 747 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: right there. I said that worse three, but I mean 748 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 1: three or four is look striking wise? Tell me he's 749 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 1: not world class. 750 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 2: Elite right there. He's world class into everything and. 751 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: Everything, And so I think fixing up that wrestling whole 752 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: a little bit and being able to outthink Rory. I 753 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: went back and watched that first fight over again, and 754 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 1: it really impressed me how in the moment, in the 755 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: midst of pain and vulnerability, Rory is the damn red King. 756 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 1: He can just control and center himself and persevere and overcome. 757 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: He got all thought on this one badly, and it 758 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 1: was really for the first time. This wasn't Lima lining 759 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 1: up MVP and hit him with a highlight reel knockout. 760 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: This was really just a such a strong victory mentally 761 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: that yes, I would have questions against somebody who's just 762 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 1: such a motor and machine of usman. Right now, I 763 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: think tomorrow still has to prove to us that he 764 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 1: can do it, not just against Woodley, but a couple 765 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 1: of times and defend the spell and do that. But 766 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 1: what I like him against Colby Coventon, I think I would. 767 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting to me is I always say 768 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 2: this doesn't matter if you're a media member, doesn't matter 769 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 2: if you're a promoter, doesn't matter if you're a fighter 770 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 2: an organization. Two ways to measure success in mma, Brian Campbell. 771 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 2: One of those ways is the peaks at which you hit. 772 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,479 Speaker 2: If you're a fighter, do you become a champion. If 773 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 2: you're an organization, do you get a big numbers on 774 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,719 Speaker 2: pay per view whatever those numbers might be or are 775 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,959 Speaker 2: measurements of success. The other way it was longevity. Now 776 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 2: the two actually end up corresponding a certain intervals, but 777 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 2: look at the case of Douglas Lima and it tells 778 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 2: you that again they sort of correspond at the end. 779 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 2: But more than that, I want to focus on the 780 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 2: second part. Here is a guy who has always been 781 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 2: pretty good a little bit jorgemen maswital vibe, where if 782 00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 2: you ask, like, what is jorgem Maswitel bad at nothing? 783 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 2: He is bad at nothing? He is good at boxing. 784 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 2: He is good at kickboxing. He has good jiu jitsu, 785 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 2: he has good wrestling. Is he the best at those? 786 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 2: Necessarily know? But he's like very competent in all of them. 787 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 2: But he just kind of never made a lot of noise, 788 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 2: either necessarily with his victories or his mouth. And then slowly, 789 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 2: but surely, you just begin to see the accumulation of 790 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 2: work show itself, and never with his mouth, always with 791 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 2: the craft of his hand. And it is amazing to 792 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 2: me that now the flower is truly beginning to bloom. 793 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 2: Is a He is the best test case I've ever 794 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 2: seen in MMA for perseverance, because he was always good, 795 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 2: he is now great, and it took a long time 796 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 2: to get there. He is an overnight success, ten fifteen 797 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 2: years in the making, Brian Campbell, but he finally hit it. 798 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 2: It is onspiring to watch him, man, and he is 799 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 2: so humble by the sweat of his brow. By the 800 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 2: sweat of his brow, never got a handout, never got 801 00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 2: an easy push, never got you know, some kind of 802 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 2: like you know, he ain't no fortunate son, right, He's 803 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 2: not somebody who was like with a name or with 804 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,719 Speaker 2: a famous association. He's just a guy who showed up 805 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 2: and beat tough guys and sometimes lost and then came 806 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 2: back and won. 807 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 1: It's crazy how he never went to the I know 808 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 1: his brother is in and out of the UFC, cos 809 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 1: it's crazy how he's never got. 810 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 2: There is it's also kind of crazy at the same time, 811 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,439 Speaker 2: though he's been loyal to Beltore Belltore has been loyal 812 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,399 Speaker 2: to him. There's a few of those relationships that really 813 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 2: work out to topic. I don't know the guy in 814 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:26,759 Speaker 2: that kind of way. I'm honestly like kind of proud 815 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,799 Speaker 2: of him. It's fun. There are some people who just 816 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,279 Speaker 2: like Conor McGregor, they rocket to success. You know, it's 817 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,239 Speaker 2: amazing to watch and it's this awe inspiring you know, 818 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 2: think you just can't it raptures you. And then there 819 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 2: are all these Chinese water torture guys man who just 820 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 2: slowly bites. By the time ten years past, you're like, 821 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 2: oh my god, this guy has done incredible stuff and 822 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 2: without the fanfare of the biggest stage and without the 823 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,400 Speaker 2: fanfare of like he's never even had. I mean, I 824 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 2: guess Rory's been a rival. But Rory is, like, you know, 825 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 2: in his own way, quite humble as well. Was his 826 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 2: rival a lot of I suppose, but he demolished him 827 00:34:58,480 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 2: in enough times it doesn't really matter. 828 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 1: Anim it is. 829 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 2: He's an impressive guy. Man, He's an impressive guy. There's 830 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 2: just something about that old school way of shut up 831 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,879 Speaker 2: and deliver and don't do anything else, and he does. 832 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 2: He's hi. He is high mass galante. 833 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,880 Speaker 1: You no. I asked him secret of his success and 834 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 1: he basically said, it's like, you know, when I was young, 835 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,839 Speaker 1: I was partying, I was not living the life. And 836 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 1: when he committed to it and committed to getting better 837 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 1: and fixing his holes, man, he's really become a perfectly 838 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,800 Speaker 1: well rounded fighter. But the flip side is Rory McDonald. 839 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 1: Then this was the end of his beltar contract. He 840 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 1: talked a lot after the fight about wanting a third 841 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 1: fight with Lima. We'll go to the negotiations. We'll go 842 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 1: to the negotiation table and see what happens. But at 843 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,839 Speaker 1: what thirty years old? Twenty nine? Thirty years old? Yeah, 844 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 1: I got questions. You know, I sat down with him, 845 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,399 Speaker 1: and a lot of journalists have and you I had 846 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 1: the hope of you know, I'm gonna decode him. I'm 847 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 1: gonna get in there, I'm gonna you know, I'm gonna 848 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 1: get up on that as I'm gonna figure this guy out, 849 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,719 Speaker 1: and came with a lot more, a lot more questions. Yeah, 850 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 1: a lot of people attribute that to religion. 851 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 2: I'm not. 852 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 1: I know that's weird because you know, I'm a Christian 853 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 1: man like him too. So even then the questions where 854 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 1: I tried to come with that angle, I just didn't 855 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 1: feel like I understand what's going on beyond those eyes. 856 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:04,879 Speaker 1: See I didn't. I didn't. I don't. 857 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 2: I don't buy that it's his religion. I'm not religious, 858 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 2: but you know you've got Habib a Muslim. He obviously 859 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 2: is a ferocious animal. Do you remember back in the 860 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 2: day the T shirt apparel Jesus didn't tap. There are 861 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,400 Speaker 2: some people who like, you know, bits of Henderson's like 862 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,560 Speaker 2: I could do all thanks to Christ. You know, it's 863 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,399 Speaker 2: out there getting enraged, frothing at the mouth. 864 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,959 Speaker 3: They're gonna mention Chemo with the cross, Chemo holding the cross, 865 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 3: Joe Son too before we forget about that. But the 866 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,719 Speaker 3: point being is it can it can motivate you, it 867 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,200 Speaker 3: can not motivate you. I don't really see that as 868 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,800 Speaker 3: a defining factor to me. It's like he came across 869 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,440 Speaker 3: a point in his life a little bit like Will Brooks, 870 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 3: where they become pacified through maturation, which is, by the way, 871 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:40,359 Speaker 3: a healthy thing. 872 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 2: I'm not in anyway downplaying it. I just don't know 873 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 2: how good that is for an mm A career. 874 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,760 Speaker 1: Well, I don't think you were looking for a performance 875 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 1: that would get you nervous about whether he still has 876 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,759 Speaker 1: that it factor to come into these fights and go 877 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 1: to the next level and win it. You didn't see 878 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 1: any of that, all right, kill Look, Jake and ff 879 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 1: you didn't see any of that on Saturday, right, fair. 880 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 2: Enough, Let's get right to it now, go to you 881 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 2: again here, Brian Campbell, Kanelo Alvarez, Sergei Kovalev is this weekend, 882 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 2: Canelo Alvarez jumping up not one, two weight classes to 883 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 2: take on old Crusher himself. Interestingly, Crusher is an underdog. 884 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:14,759 Speaker 2: I believe in this five in the betting odds. But 885 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:16,160 Speaker 2: let's just jump to one of the I think the 886 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 2: more interesting questions that we have here written out for ourselves, 887 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,399 Speaker 2: which is, do you think Canelo albos can get it done? 888 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 2: If he gets it done, how's he going to get 889 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,080 Speaker 2: it done? What are you expecting from this fight. 890 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,760 Speaker 1: Actually, Canelo is the favorite for a reason. He's quicker, 891 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,920 Speaker 1: he's a better boxer. He goes to the body like 892 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,279 Speaker 1: hell fire, and that's thirty six year old Covalev's biggest weakness. Look, 893 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 1: let's be honest about Covallev was a menacing, bullying puncher 894 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:37,480 Speaker 1: when he won to let heavyweight title and put together 895 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 1: those title defenses. But andre Ward exposed something in him, 896 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 1: a lack of heart, a front runner ship, something in 897 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 1: him to be able to figure him out. And once 898 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,000 Speaker 1: Covialev was figured out x's and o's inside the ring, 899 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 1: you didn't see that comeback. Now, to Kovalev's credit, he 900 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,799 Speaker 1: took a big gamble by sticking with an Anthony Yard 901 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,000 Speaker 1: title defense that he edd in Russia a couple months back, 902 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,240 Speaker 1: knowing that if he lost, he lost the essentially career 903 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:02,880 Speaker 1: defining paid. I mean, I don't know the numbers, but 904 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,840 Speaker 1: you'd have to assume he's gonna make more fighting Canelo 905 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 1: in this one night than maybe he had his entire career. 906 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,279 Speaker 1: And what did he do against Anthey arta a limited guy, 907 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,480 Speaker 1: but a big puncher. Unbeaten, he walked through hell and 908 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,359 Speaker 1: came back and rallied to win in ways that we've 909 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,160 Speaker 1: never seen in his whole career. But with that said, 910 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,440 Speaker 1: Canelo is a favorite for two reasons. One, if it 911 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,360 Speaker 1: goes to the scorecards, Canelo's got this long history. Two, 912 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,320 Speaker 1: he's the prime guy. He's arguably he's in that discussion 913 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 1: where I said in the past on the show that 914 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,799 Speaker 1: we're in a weird time pomp for pound. There's four 915 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,400 Speaker 1: or five, maybe six guys who have like a legitimate 916 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 1: claim to the throne. Canelo has one of those legitimate claims. 917 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,760 Speaker 1: But unlike fights like this in the past, unlike a 918 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,440 Speaker 1: Manny Pakiao moving up to face Antonio Margarito, I'm like 919 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,160 Speaker 1: these type of things, we're like, okay, the younger, prime 920 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 1: guy moving up against the older guy. I think there's 921 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,360 Speaker 1: more danger in this one for Canelo than any of 922 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 1: those guys face. And the fact that he isn't making 923 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 1: Kovalev come down and sacrifice himself to a catchweight is 924 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 1: going to give Covealv a chance. Will Canelo win? Probably, 925 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:06,600 Speaker 1: should he win, Yes, he's tough, he hits hard, all 926 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,680 Speaker 1: that stuff, but this is gonna be fun. And that 927 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:14,080 Speaker 1: factor of not really knowing so often boxing, even on 928 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,200 Speaker 1: the highest level, you know what it's gonna look like 929 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 1: in the end, right, the hope that you have for 930 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:19,680 Speaker 1: one person to do that one thing that they do 931 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:23,359 Speaker 1: good is somewhat minimal. Usually this time around, he's got 932 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,360 Speaker 1: to be careful. Canelo has to be careful, even with 933 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,680 Speaker 1: his advantages going to the body and handspeeding all that, 934 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 1: because cove Lev is not just a thirty six year 935 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,799 Speaker 1: old limited slugger with questionable chin. He's a guy who 936 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,680 Speaker 1: can box. He's a guy who uses this jab very 937 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,279 Speaker 1: well and uses it as a weapon. So the way 938 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,839 Speaker 1: that Canelo's gonna walk this out if it goes long, 939 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:42,480 Speaker 1: if it goes into the second half of the fight, 940 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:44,680 Speaker 1: I don't see how Kovilev wins. He's not gonna win 941 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 1: a decision, and he tires and wears down in every 942 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,200 Speaker 1: big fight, even the ones that he wins. If he's 943 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 1: able to turn this into a six round fight, luke 944 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:53,720 Speaker 1: and just say. 945 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,439 Speaker 2: Look, would he mean stop him in six? 946 00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,080 Speaker 1: Just go look if we get past six, I'm probably 947 00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 1: gonna lose the fight anyway. So six rounds, I'm empty 948 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,319 Speaker 1: in the tank. I'm gonna make this a fight. The 949 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,040 Speaker 1: entertainment value goes up. His only chance of winning goes up, 950 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 1: Canelo will be in there for an absolute fight. And 951 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,400 Speaker 1: you may think that's wishful thinking if you're looking at 952 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,279 Speaker 1: this from just purely a betting standpoint, But Covidv's got 953 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,440 Speaker 1: more in the tank than guys in this spot tend 954 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,680 Speaker 1: to have. In my personal belief, even with some of 955 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,640 Speaker 1: those questionable intangibles, if you can come out there first, two, three, 956 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,040 Speaker 1: four or five rounds and just fight and make this 957 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:24,719 Speaker 1: a fight and use the jab to set it up, 958 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,239 Speaker 1: you're gonna have an interesting chess match in there that 959 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,359 Speaker 1: could get physical, that could get heavy, and we're gonna 960 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:30,719 Speaker 1: find out a lot of things. We're gonna find out 961 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,120 Speaker 1: if Knelo's power does anything at one seventy five, right, 962 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:34,480 Speaker 1: it's just as much we're gonna find out if his 963 00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,279 Speaker 1: chin can take some of the offense that inevitably covid 964 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 1: is gonna hit him with. 965 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,880 Speaker 2: Well, anybody from the weight class at one sixty from 966 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,520 Speaker 2: middleweight that Canelo's coming from, if anyone has a chance 967 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,640 Speaker 2: for that power to translate, it's Canelo Alvarez, as you mentioned, 968 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,520 Speaker 2: particularly to the body. Given some of the vulnerabilities of 969 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 2: coviallev I was doing some thinking about this fight. Watching 970 00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:52,200 Speaker 2: a little bit of tape on these guys in anticipation 971 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,920 Speaker 2: of today's episode, you know, it's interesting. I don't know 972 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,320 Speaker 2: which way Canelo's gonna fight because he fought TRIPLEG. Obviously 973 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,000 Speaker 2: very different fighter, I understand, But in one fight going backwards, 974 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,600 Speaker 2: another fight going forwards, he has an opportunity to do 975 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,680 Speaker 2: either of those against Covid left coval has got the 976 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,239 Speaker 2: much longer reach, but I don't think he's as snappy 977 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,440 Speaker 2: with his punches as he used to be, which is 978 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,000 Speaker 2: going to give a great counter puncher in Canelo Alvarez, 979 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,000 Speaker 2: a faster fighter in Canelo Alvarez. Probably you'd imagine a 980 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,760 Speaker 2: chance to just absolutely swarm him in certain intervals. Again, 981 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,000 Speaker 2: if the power doesn't translate, all this is for naught. 982 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,359 Speaker 2: I kind of wonder about that. But also I think 983 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,920 Speaker 2: the jab, the educated jab of Canelo Alvarez, his ability 984 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:32,200 Speaker 2: to defensively push his way to the inside. I think 985 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:33,960 Speaker 2: the speed is going to be differential. This is what 986 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,799 Speaker 2: I'm I mean, everything we're talking about here is why 987 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,239 Speaker 2: we were pointing out, yes, do we want to see 988 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,280 Speaker 2: a third fight with Triple G? Of course, which person 989 00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,440 Speaker 2: reading Oxygen who watches boxing doesn't wish to see this, 990 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:46,600 Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean there aren't real interesting, credible merits 991 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,080 Speaker 2: to this contest. There quite clearly are. You can favor 992 00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,319 Speaker 2: and shade in a direction of either fighter depending on 993 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,080 Speaker 2: your perspective, but no one really knows that. And again 994 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:56,600 Speaker 2: you could say, well that's the case of every fight. 995 00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:57,160 Speaker 1: No it's not. 996 00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:01,280 Speaker 2: When Pakiyav fought Claudie, there was no mist I wasn't thinking, 997 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:02,840 Speaker 2: what is Josh Claudie you. 998 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:03,920 Speaker 1: Gonna do to Mani Pacya. 999 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,600 Speaker 2: You're thinking, okay, how is Manny Pacio gonna feast on 1000 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,080 Speaker 2: his fool one way or the other. And again he 1001 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:09,760 Speaker 2: just did this for the whole time, so he couldn't 1002 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,080 Speaker 2: really but neither hearing nor there This one is not 1003 00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,719 Speaker 2: that way. This is a fight between open ended, I 1004 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,600 Speaker 2: want to say, heavy gunners in different kinds. 1005 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,520 Speaker 1: Of comparison for this fight is sugar Ray Leonard. After 1006 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,080 Speaker 1: coming back from retirement to beat Marvin Hagler, he moves 1007 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,520 Speaker 1: up to one sixty eight and fights Donnie Lalan, the 1008 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,239 Speaker 1: Canadian punching with the long hair. For some reason, they 1009 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:29,960 Speaker 1: put a light heavyweight title at Steak in that fight 1010 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,360 Speaker 1: as well, and Leonard had to get up off the 1011 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,759 Speaker 1: canvas early in that fight and figure laland out and 1012 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,520 Speaker 1: eventually rally to stop him. And it was Hella Theater. 1013 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,080 Speaker 1: I remember watching that as a kid. This has some 1014 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:41,719 Speaker 1: potential in that, but it's gonna be up to Cove 1015 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,719 Speaker 1: Live to make that jab count. He can box, there's 1016 00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:46,520 Speaker 1: some craft. He saw him box against the Yard and 1017 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,399 Speaker 1: he was in trouble. The work. He's got that two. 1018 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,120 Speaker 2: Obviously he has the much better amateur pedigory. 1019 00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Canelo had very brief amateur career. So it's 1020 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:54,279 Speaker 1: going to be really interesting and I think, like we 1021 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,279 Speaker 1: gotta wake up. This is the Canelo era, Luke, and 1022 00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,799 Speaker 1: it's been defined yes by look. You can say he's 1023 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,160 Speaker 1: a he's a he's a golden boy type guy, not 1024 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,400 Speaker 1: not the reference to Oscar, but a pretty boy. You 1025 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,440 Speaker 1: can say he gets the decisions. You can bring up, 1026 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,560 Speaker 1: the tainted meat, you can bring up you know a 1027 00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,480 Speaker 1: couple of bad things. He waited out Triple G two 1028 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,799 Speaker 1: years and never forget by the way. But this era 1029 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,880 Speaker 1: has been defined as Floyd walking away and Canelo stepping 1030 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,000 Speaker 1: up and says I got this. I'm a global star 1031 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,640 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna fight the best at every turn, and 1032 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,720 Speaker 1: they asked him during his media day this past week, 1033 00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:25,799 Speaker 1: what happens if you beat COVID level you stay at 1034 00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,000 Speaker 1: one seventy five? What do you what about this guy 1035 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,239 Speaker 1: Arthur Betterbief who just blew away Vodzeg last week and 1036 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:35,400 Speaker 1: Canelo Now, it's just words, but Canelo said so at 1037 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:36,880 Speaker 1: this point, we're in a spot where you can't you 1038 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:38,080 Speaker 1: can't doubt that Meg Gusta. 1039 00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:39,960 Speaker 2: All right, let's move along with our last topic before 1040 00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,120 Speaker 2: Jay has an aneurysm in the back. Greg Hardy, who 1041 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,879 Speaker 2: just had a you guys covered it in halar Gaate 1042 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,959 Speaker 2: and everything else, just had a terrible, weird, kind of good, 1043 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:53,799 Speaker 2: sort of bad outing against Ben Sosoli and is not 1044 00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:55,719 Speaker 2: going to fill in on a couple of weeks. Notice 1045 00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:59,600 Speaker 2: here when he takes on Alexander Volkov at UFC Moscow 1046 00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:03,200 Speaker 2: in the event Brian Campbell, folks are wondering why now 1047 00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,919 Speaker 2: does this make sense? And can Greg Hardy win after 1048 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:09,600 Speaker 2: being a guy who, let's see in his UFC Brooklyn 1049 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:14,440 Speaker 2: show needed opponent illegally using in hailor illegally has never 1050 00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,560 Speaker 2: apologized for his background, which you know is a whole 1051 00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,959 Speaker 2: separate story has looked good in the Contender series fights, 1052 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,279 Speaker 2: but in as UFC fights Faud guys who weren't all 1053 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:23,719 Speaker 2: that great and just kind of had a weird out. 1054 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,480 Speaker 2: It's fairness, you guys didn't covered this in the ben 1055 00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,920 Speaker 2: so Solely fight. That was one of those fights to 1056 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:29,960 Speaker 2: me that showed me he had better defensive awareness than 1057 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,680 Speaker 2: he had before, which is a small tick. 1058 00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:35,120 Speaker 1: But in three round stamina though, uh in hailer Gate, 1059 00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,040 Speaker 1: in hailer Gate combat, Lombat was finding that chin down 1060 00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:39,080 Speaker 1: the stretch a little bit. 1061 00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,560 Speaker 2: But I thought his footwork was educated to a degree, 1062 00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,399 Speaker 2: I'll put it that way, which is again, dude, it's 1063 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:45,719 Speaker 2: hard to get good at fighting, even when you're an 1064 00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,680 Speaker 2: athlete as good as Greg Hardy. Okay, but now he's 1065 00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:49,640 Speaker 2: spelling on a short notes against alegend Volkov, and folks 1066 00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,480 Speaker 2: are wondering what kind of chance does he have. I 1067 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,240 Speaker 2: got bad news for Greg Hardy haters. A good chance. 1068 00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,280 Speaker 1: Here's yes, WHOA, you're catching me off guard. 1069 00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,160 Speaker 2: With that, Okay, we'll hear me out. If we're asking 1070 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,759 Speaker 2: who is the much better fighter, it's Volkov. I mean, 1071 00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:03,720 Speaker 2: there's no question about it. He's a much better fighter. 1072 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,640 Speaker 2: He's longer, he's more experienced, He's beaten much better guys. 1073 00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:12,360 Speaker 2: The fair favorite, let's put it that way, is Volkov. 1074 00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:16,399 Speaker 2: I would expect Volkov to win, but Brian Campbell number one, 1075 00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,439 Speaker 2: he was supposed to fight Alistair overhim and he didn't 1076 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,759 Speaker 2: for whatever reasons we don't know. He was supposed to 1077 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,160 Speaker 2: fight who's the judo Santo's in this one and fell out. 1078 00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:25,920 Speaker 2: So number one, he's dealing with the last minute opponent. 1079 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:27,759 Speaker 2: You've seen a side. We talked about it on this show. 1080 00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:28,600 Speaker 2: I think two weeks ago. 1081 00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,160 Speaker 1: Let me finish me. You're building the case for Greg Harty. 1082 00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,239 Speaker 2: Hold on, let me finish I'm telling you, flat Lee, 1083 00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,680 Speaker 2: Volkov is the favorite. I'm telling you he's the favorite. 1084 00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:40,440 Speaker 2: What I'm telling you is this June in soucient attitude 1085 00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:44,399 Speaker 2: that you have about upset potential with big punchers who 1086 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,879 Speaker 2: are kind of spazars at heavyweight is misplaced, my man, 1087 00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,040 Speaker 2: it is super misplaced. Volkov is your favorite to win. 1088 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,000 Speaker 2: He probably will if he gets knocked out. Do not 1089 00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,759 Speaker 2: be surprised. He has not fought since getting kaoed. He 1090 00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,080 Speaker 2: has not fought since getting kaoed by Derek Lewis. 1091 00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,120 Speaker 1: And one every second of that fight before the ko 1092 00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,000 Speaker 1: he got caught by a giant puncher. I'm not telling 1093 00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,440 Speaker 1: you one seven in a row before that, Luke against 1094 00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,399 Speaker 1: some actual legitimate guys with a pulse like an over 1095 00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:12,840 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, like a verdom dude. And this is a 1096 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,560 Speaker 1: sport where there are forty upsets. You can watch a 1097 00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,359 Speaker 1: combat wombat fight if you can go back and watch 1098 00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:23,879 Speaker 1: round three of Sosoli's mullet flying around upsets and go yeah, yeah, 1099 00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,080 Speaker 1: Harty's next level. He's ready to make that leap. No, 1100 00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,080 Speaker 1: two things can be that's not what omkay, but two 1101 00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:29,320 Speaker 1: things can be true at the same time. Are you 1102 00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,680 Speaker 1: ready for these two? Luke? Okay, here we go, rub 1103 00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,880 Speaker 1: your face, Here we go. One. I'm proud of him. 1104 00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:36,520 Speaker 1: I'm proud of Hardy saying you know what, I'm gonna 1105 00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:37,759 Speaker 1: go on in and do it because I don't want 1106 00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,319 Speaker 1: to live in a world where a loss ruins a guy, right. 1107 00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:41,839 Speaker 1: I want to live in a world where you can 1108 00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,080 Speaker 1: step up and see where you're at, get knock the 1109 00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:45,759 Speaker 1: hell out, and then go, Okay, I gotta work on 1110 00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:47,799 Speaker 1: this in this boxing or mma. I want to live 1111 00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,000 Speaker 1: in that world too. He's gonna get knock the hell out, 1112 00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:51,759 Speaker 1: He's gonna get his ass kicked in this fight. He's 1113 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,520 Speaker 1: not remotely on the level of a Volkov who has 1114 00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,160 Speaker 1: that type of stamina, who has a point fighting machine 1115 00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,200 Speaker 1: up there, with the height and length to go with that. Yes, 1116 00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,279 Speaker 1: Greg Hardy could low up and get lucky early, but 1117 00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,960 Speaker 1: I haven't seen anything, even in those knockouts of those 1118 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,600 Speaker 1: those guys who probably drove the uber home after the fight, 1119 00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:08,880 Speaker 1: that he could do this against somebody on this level. 1120 00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,120 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, Volkoff won every second of that fight 1121 00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:13,959 Speaker 1: and lost it against Derek Luis, but still Derek Lewis 1122 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:14,719 Speaker 1: you remind. 1123 00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,160 Speaker 2: Why was it UFC seventeen Randy Gator was supposed to 1124 00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:22,160 Speaker 2: fight Mark Coleman in comes a little known submission change 1125 00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,360 Speaker 2: last minute. It was Pete Williams who kicked him in 1126 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,319 Speaker 2: the face and changed the entire course of heavyweight history 1127 00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,600 Speaker 2: in MMA. Do I'm not telling you Greg Hardy is 1128 00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,200 Speaker 2: the favorite I met even tell you he's Pete Williams 1129 00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,640 Speaker 2: Mark Coleman. What I'm telling you is that I'm not. 1130 00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,839 Speaker 1: Sure Seth Petrizzelli's jockstrap right. 1131 00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,800 Speaker 2: There is no division in MMA that is as donk 1132 00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:43,520 Speaker 2: friendly as heavyweights. 1133 00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:45,040 Speaker 1: That's true. That's all. 1134 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,520 Speaker 2: And you've got an athletic, big puncher, and he is 1135 00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,560 Speaker 2: a big puncher. Sorry, the Austin Lanfard showed it any 1136 00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:52,319 Speaker 2: I'm telling you if you go in there thinking, oh, 1137 00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,480 Speaker 2: Volkov is just gonna run over him, yeah, ask me 1138 00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,960 Speaker 2: to bet I'm betting on Volkov. Asked me to bet 1139 00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,680 Speaker 2: on Volkov? Like, oh my god, Greg Hardy's got no chance. 1140 00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:01,319 Speaker 2: I don't feel comfortable saying that. 1141 00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,120 Speaker 1: What is he Greg Hardy? And I'm not saying he's 1142 00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,200 Speaker 1: awful by any means. He's got plus athletics, and he's 1143 00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,279 Speaker 1: got power, he's got the best the best coaches down 1144 00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,760 Speaker 1: there at att But what has he shown you against 1145 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,319 Speaker 1: very lesser competition that could give you the belief that, 1146 00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,239 Speaker 1: outside of justin quirking one lucky one, that he's going 1147 00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,160 Speaker 1: to be able to set off the type of shots 1148 00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:19,760 Speaker 1: only definished. 1149 00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,840 Speaker 2: Volkov has gotten better about using his range recently, that 1150 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:24,839 Speaker 2: is true. He has historically not been all that great 1151 00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,560 Speaker 2: at it. That's a problem, dude, it's a problem. It's 1152 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,239 Speaker 2: it's it's one he is likely to fix. It is 1153 00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:32,920 Speaker 2: one likely not to cost. 1154 00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:34,919 Speaker 1: Blown away by this by this new luke. 1155 00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,319 Speaker 2: It's just, dude, here's all I'm trying. All I'm trying 1156 00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,320 Speaker 2: to say to you, I'm just saying, don't be super dismissive. 1157 00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:42,120 Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying. 1158 00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:45,760 Speaker 1: This would be a massive upset. In my heart, of course, dude, 1159 00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,600 Speaker 1: this is what happens at heavyweights. It's a massive upset. 1160 00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:50,640 Speaker 1: If he's competitive. This is a big step up. 1161 00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:50,839 Speaker 2: Lid. 1162 00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:52,880 Speaker 1: No, no, if it goes like but I'm happy for it 1163 00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:54,760 Speaker 1: because I'm going to do with the wombats anymore. 1164 00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,279 Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to be. Two things are 1165 00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,400 Speaker 2: gonna happen. One, You're right, it's not going to be repetitive. 1166 00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,160 Speaker 2: It'll go down the stretch or let's say two and 1167 00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,040 Speaker 2: a half three, you know, one and a half rounds 1168 00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,000 Speaker 2: and Volkov just tools them up, right. That's one possibility. 1169 00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,720 Speaker 2: The other possibility is Greg Hardy gets kind of lucky. 1170 00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:13,399 Speaker 2: I'm trying to tell you that luck potential, that puncher's chance. 1171 00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,719 Speaker 2: I'm gonna call it an elevated puncher's chance, given some 1172 00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:17,960 Speaker 2: of the mechanics employe. 1173 00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,720 Speaker 1: On the elevator will be if Russada is overseeing the 1174 00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:22,040 Speaker 1: urine samples here. 1175 00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,319 Speaker 2: All right, all right, with that in mind, we now 1176 00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,799 Speaker 2: moved to DMS for donks. This is where you get 1177 00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:28,680 Speaker 2: to ask us questions. I always post a picture on 1178 00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:32,080 Speaker 2: Sunday nights on my Instagram Luke Thomas News and then 1179 00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:35,200 Speaker 2: the folks come in and say what they want to say. 1180 00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:36,400 Speaker 2: All right, we'll go to your first on this one, 1181 00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,960 Speaker 2: Brian Campbell. This comes to us from m Porter four forty. 1182 00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,040 Speaker 2: Who has better striking? Chrome Gracy or Ben asked. 1183 00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:43,560 Speaker 1: Robert big Crone Grazy learn of the show is that 1184 00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:47,279 Speaker 1: Chrome Gracy has major league striking And so what you said? 1185 00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,399 Speaker 1: People are still killing me for that comment. I get 1186 00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,319 Speaker 1: that I represented it in a way that made me 1187 00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,759 Speaker 1: say that made people think I'm saying Gracie is an 1188 00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,160 Speaker 1: elite striker. No, I expected coming to that fight that 1189 00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,360 Speaker 1: he would have no striking. And what did he do 1190 00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:01,839 Speaker 1: in three rounds with a good ass striker and had 1191 00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,040 Speaker 1: some big moments. So yeah, he showed me some major 1192 00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:08,320 Speaker 1: league talents. He's a better striker than Ben, Askron Crone. Gracie, Yes, 1193 00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:12,080 Speaker 1: although you've got to give for the sneaky upper cut, Yes, 1194 00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:15,960 Speaker 1: which can red end Maya's face cut him down. Yeah, 1195 00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:19,600 Speaker 1: that was a nice wrinkle to the collection. But Askron 1196 00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,480 Speaker 1: looks out of play striking where Chrome Gracy showed me 1197 00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,480 Speaker 1: some like tried and true stuff that you've been working on. 1198 00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,960 Speaker 2: Port of Chrome Gracie's striking is just an insane durability, 1199 00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:30,840 Speaker 2: which we talked about with the cups wantson fight. But 1200 00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,759 Speaker 2: you're right, from the clinch position, I think he's a 1201 00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:34,560 Speaker 2: better dirty boxer. 1202 00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,520 Speaker 1: There's good. There's there was a comfortability too, like he 1203 00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:39,640 Speaker 1: wasn't afraid at being out of his element and doing that. 1204 00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:40,920 Speaker 1: I think he tried to prove a point, like we 1205 00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,319 Speaker 1: talked about that week. But I think people killing me, 1206 00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,839 Speaker 1: calling me doctor Casual and all this stuff. It's like 1207 00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:47,400 Speaker 1: he impressed the balls out of me. 1208 00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,400 Speaker 2: And I like that nickname for you, doctor Cash. No, 1209 00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:51,759 Speaker 2: but I do I agree with you. I think Kron's 1210 00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:53,680 Speaker 2: probably a little bit better than Ben. But ben striking 1211 00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,400 Speaker 2: is functional at best. I mean, it's not really what 1212 00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,160 Speaker 2: he's not. It's I don't think he probably would tell 1213 00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,440 Speaker 2: you the same, it's not you know, I think he 1214 00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:02,759 Speaker 2: invests heavily in You're right. The sneaky little upper cut 1215 00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,480 Speaker 2: at when the when mind dipped was nice, but other 1216 00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:06,920 Speaker 2: than that, there wasn't a whole lot to it. A 1217 00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:08,520 Speaker 2: little bit off balance and a lot of head movement 1218 00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:10,600 Speaker 2: kind of thing. But you know we're not you know, 1219 00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,359 Speaker 2: we're still not talking major league striking in either case. 1220 00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,719 Speaker 2: Here Brian Campbell, Uh, this comes to us from Ze 1221 00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,960 Speaker 2: Terrain Za a Rain. How do you feel about the 1222 00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,000 Speaker 2: recent success of new heavyweight prospects with names like is 1223 00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:28,600 Speaker 2: it Ghana or Gain Uh or Gone Gone? I believe Gone, Pavlovich, 1224 00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:34,279 Speaker 2: JayR Rosenstruk, Spivak, Hardy and Di Castro. Who do you 1225 00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:35,560 Speaker 2: think will make the biggest impact? 1226 00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:35,960 Speaker 1: Is there not? 1227 00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,120 Speaker 2: Is there a name not listed that comes to mind? 1228 00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:39,160 Speaker 2: Gotta be Gone or Gain? 1229 00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the name that jumps out. 1230 00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:43,239 Speaker 2: He was that guy he fought. Do you know the 1231 00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,719 Speaker 2: guy he fought? I forget his name now, I apologize, 1232 00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:47,799 Speaker 2: but he was on Contender series I think three different times. 1233 00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,200 Speaker 2: I saw his most recent one. This is another guy. 1234 00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,279 Speaker 2: Credit to him, perseverance, just trying to get better and 1235 00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,319 Speaker 2: better and better. And he did. And then he goes 1236 00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,920 Speaker 2: up against a guy like Cyril Gone who just clearly 1237 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,200 Speaker 2: looked like no naturally a level of. 1238 00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:08,799 Speaker 1: Gone in sixty seconds got you? Yeah? Did what's his name? 1239 00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:12,280 Speaker 1: Get you? You? The other day? Who these nuts? 1240 00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:13,040 Speaker 2: You're so stupid. 1241 00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:15,400 Speaker 1: Just walked right into it. I mean, just you are 1242 00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,560 Speaker 1: a stupid even I even stumbled through it. I was 1243 00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:18,560 Speaker 1: so excited to get that out. 1244 00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:20,120 Speaker 2: You need to sign your papers. 1245 00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:27,200 Speaker 1: Oh wow, all right, nuts wow. 1246 00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,800 Speaker 2: By the way, JayR. Rosenstruck, he's fighting or Lowsky this weekend. 1247 00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,000 Speaker 2: He appears to be a force of nature. Answer this 1248 00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,040 Speaker 2: question then, before we move on, what is your what 1249 00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:41,160 Speaker 2: is your thought on Hardy's upside? I forget about the 1250 00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:41,680 Speaker 2: vulcal fight. 1251 00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:43,560 Speaker 1: I think he's going to take some l's. I think 1252 00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:46,439 Speaker 1: we're gonna go a stretch where we were really down 1253 00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,120 Speaker 1: on him and just say at best, he's going to 1254 00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,440 Speaker 1: be average. But he seems to have the want and 1255 00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,640 Speaker 1: is in the right camp. I think he'll be a contender. 1256 00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:55,400 Speaker 1: I don't think he'll ever fight for a title. I 1257 00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,759 Speaker 1: think he'll be in the UH worse than a blog boy, 1258 00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:04,239 Speaker 1: better than a UH. Can I find a couple of 1259 00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,080 Speaker 1: bad heavyweights. I think he'll be okay in the end, 1260 00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:06,959 Speaker 1: is what I'm saying. 1261 00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:08,680 Speaker 2: What do you think this is serious? What do you 1262 00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:09,120 Speaker 2: think happened? 1263 00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:09,520 Speaker 1: Again? 1264 00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,680 Speaker 2: A million to one shot? What if the ko's will 1265 00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:14,959 Speaker 2: in the first round, what's gonna happen? 1266 00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:16,319 Speaker 1: God? They might give him a title shot. You know 1267 00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,759 Speaker 1: they do that. They legit. No, they couldn't. They couldn't though, 1268 00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:19,440 Speaker 1: but they couldn't. 1269 00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,080 Speaker 2: They couldn't, really, they couldn't. 1270 00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,160 Speaker 1: I don't know, dude, they couldn't. Dude, they couldn't. One win, 1271 00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:25,640 Speaker 1: one win on. I mean, it's good to be good, 1272 00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:27,040 Speaker 1: it'd be great, it'd be a good ass win. But 1273 00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:29,719 Speaker 1: ESPN lot's putting them on TV, all right? 1274 00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,600 Speaker 2: From cam Rouse ninety three. Should fans be worried that 1275 00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,480 Speaker 2: Tony versus a Bebe hasn't been announced yet? I get 1276 00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:36,080 Speaker 2: this question a lot. 1277 00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:45,160 Speaker 1: What do you make of it? Yes? Because, Uh, until 1278 00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:48,520 Speaker 1: I officially hear that Connor McGregor is back on a 1279 00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:51,279 Speaker 1: specific date and there's like a poster made and the 1280 00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:55,319 Speaker 1: news breaks and it's official official, I would never ever 1281 00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,239 Speaker 1: put it past UFC not to sub him in. You 1282 00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,840 Speaker 1: think they're waiting on Connor for January? I'm not saying 1283 00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:02,719 Speaker 1: I think that's who he's going to fight next. But 1284 00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:07,719 Speaker 1: should I be worried that we're not hearing habib Tony? Dude? 1285 00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,680 Speaker 1: I mean, anyone you talk, I mean, anyone will tell 1286 00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:11,120 Speaker 1: me that same. 1287 00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,399 Speaker 2: To me, it feels like breathless speculation. Have you heard 1288 00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:14,680 Speaker 2: something about why it's not happening. 1289 00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,799 Speaker 1: No, But the question was should we be afraid? And 1290 00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,600 Speaker 1: my answer is until I know who Connor McGregor is 1291 00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,200 Speaker 1: fighting next, and I know it's official, I will never 1292 00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,440 Speaker 1: have that full piece that Tony's finally going to get 1293 00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:26,200 Speaker 1: what he's saying, I don't know. 1294 00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,160 Speaker 2: I mean, let's see, have been thought of what UFC 1295 00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:32,080 Speaker 2: two forty two we're about to have too, right, I. 1296 00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:33,560 Speaker 1: Mean he just fought in September, so it's not. 1297 00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:35,560 Speaker 2: You know, I don't know what folks are expecting, like 1298 00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:37,960 Speaker 2: it may be a little while before the title defense. 1299 00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:41,480 Speaker 2: I think if you haven't heard by second quarter twenty twenty, 1300 00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:42,640 Speaker 2: well now you can panic. 1301 00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,840 Speaker 1: But end of quarter it's Look, you got to understand 1302 00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:49,200 Speaker 1: they've got this lottery ticket in a jar, right, which 1303 00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:52,600 Speaker 1: is Habib Connor two would be the biggest fight in 1304 00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,440 Speaker 1: history because the first one was the first biggest, and 1305 00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:59,000 Speaker 1: in theory, it's going to just automatically approach that or 1306 00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,880 Speaker 1: eclipse it. So you don't want to lose that if 1307 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,160 Speaker 1: you're the if you're the business owners. I'm not saying 1308 00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:05,920 Speaker 1: they're going to do that, but it's going to be 1309 00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,360 Speaker 1: in play at every turn, right, Like you've seen Dana's 1310 00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,040 Speaker 1: answers saying, well, unless Tony turns the fight down or 1311 00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,960 Speaker 1: unless he something happens. It's almost as if they're walking 1312 00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,080 Speaker 1: around the Fox studios with that cord saying, hey, Tony, 1313 00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:17,920 Speaker 1: come over here for a second. Let's let me just let. 1314 00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:19,480 Speaker 2: Me just you know, by the way, you see that 1315 00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,200 Speaker 2: video of Connor doing that Q and A with the 1316 00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,279 Speaker 2: media and then someone chuck there like a shoe or 1317 00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:26,759 Speaker 2: whatever at him. I gotta say this, Connor's head movement 1318 00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:27,520 Speaker 2: was awesome. It was great. 1319 00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:29,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a nice slip dude. It was what 1320 00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:30,840 Speaker 1: was that accent he brought out though? And he was 1321 00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:31,520 Speaker 1: yelling back. 1322 00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:32,560 Speaker 2: Of their fuel few. 1323 00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:33,040 Speaker 1: I don't know how. 1324 00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,880 Speaker 2: I don't know how to Irish say fool fuel all right, 1325 00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:40,400 Speaker 2: this comes some JL comb comby whatever. How many of 1326 00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,239 Speaker 2: the fighters in the UFC would tell Dana White to 1327 00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,200 Speaker 2: basically f off if you didn't directly hold the direction 1328 00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,080 Speaker 2: of their career because rankings don't matter. 1329 00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,600 Speaker 1: Money matters to Dana, and he hoards it. I think 1330 00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,759 Speaker 1: the better question, Luke, is how many fighters right now 1331 00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,640 Speaker 1: have the FU leverage where they could and it would 1332 00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,520 Speaker 1: not be a problem who who right now is the 1333 00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,760 Speaker 1: holder of f you leverage in the UFC Connor mcgrecord. 1334 00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:04,680 Speaker 2: Yes, you'd mean like okay, when you say if you leveraged, 1335 00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:06,480 Speaker 2: you mean like literally coming out and telling Danny to 1336 00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:06,920 Speaker 2: go f off. 1337 00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,240 Speaker 1: Yes, writing on Twitter, f off Dana. 1338 00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:17,279 Speaker 2: Nate Connor Habib Habib Habib threatened to keep UFC out. 1339 00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,560 Speaker 1: Of Russia on My show. John Jones has that. 1340 00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:23,120 Speaker 2: John Jones maybe has that. You know a handful handfuls 1341 00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:23,440 Speaker 2: about it. 1342 00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:24,719 Speaker 1: There's a few bmfors in this guy. 1343 00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:26,239 Speaker 2: But the question is what if they all had it? 1344 00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:28,319 Speaker 2: I don't think they would all exercise it. But you know, 1345 00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:29,960 Speaker 2: it's the same thing where we talked about you said 1346 00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,000 Speaker 2: at the beginning, everyone's like these Dear Leader videos like 1347 00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,440 Speaker 2: I'm so glad you saw is here, you know where 1348 00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,840 Speaker 2: they're just they they either are are forced to do 1349 00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,040 Speaker 2: it or pretend that they like it, or they think 1350 00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:42,120 Speaker 2: it's good because they've been They all have Stockholm syndrome 1351 00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:42,600 Speaker 2: at this point. 1352 00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:44,680 Speaker 1: If you remove that again, I don't. 1353 00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,200 Speaker 2: Think everyone went in their mind would just lose their 1354 00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:48,319 Speaker 2: you know, go crazy on Dana. But look at Eddie Hearn, 1355 00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,880 Speaker 2: like Chizora at that presser, I remember that losing his 1356 00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:56,439 Speaker 2: mind or Golden Boy's own Golden Boy Canelo going after 1357 00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:58,000 Speaker 2: him having that ability. 1358 00:56:57,719 --> 00:56:59,560 Speaker 1: To tell your boss to imagine you having the boss 1359 00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:00,000 Speaker 1: to tell Ja. 1360 00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:03,279 Speaker 2: In your ear to pay Jay. No one likes you, 1361 00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:05,120 Speaker 2: sincerely everyone. 1362 00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:07,120 Speaker 1: Why don't you get back in that time machine to 1363 00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:08,960 Speaker 1: the day when people did like it? Yeah? 1364 00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:09,600 Speaker 2: How about that? 1365 00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:11,680 Speaker 1: I got one jigawats in my pocket. 1366 00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:13,400 Speaker 2: Go to the jerk store. They're all out of you. 1367 00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:17,200 Speaker 2: Is that a nineties reference? I think it is. Let 1368 00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:18,000 Speaker 2: me take your gimmick. 1369 00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:20,720 Speaker 1: Thank you, we got any more? Donks? 1370 00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,800 Speaker 2: Here one more. This comes to us from Iron Paradise Fitness, 1371 00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,600 Speaker 2: with so many fight nights throughout the year, a lot 1372 00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:27,920 Speaker 2: of which have very weak cards. 1373 00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:29,800 Speaker 1: Is do I get this question? For years? 1374 00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:31,720 Speaker 2: Is the UFC watering down the quality of events and 1375 00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,600 Speaker 2: in danger of spreading themselves too thin? Would less higher 1376 00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:36,200 Speaker 2: quality cards that see you pull on the phone out 1377 00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:39,560 Speaker 2: which gives me the HEV gbs? Would less higher quality 1378 00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:42,480 Speaker 2: cards Brian Campbell do more for both avid and casual. 1379 00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,120 Speaker 1: Fans, as well as the UFC brand itself. The answer 1380 00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:45,240 Speaker 1: is no at this point right. 1381 00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:49,080 Speaker 2: Because the cars are watered down, they're super water down. 1382 00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,320 Speaker 2: Their water down absolutely on purpose, but it's designed to 1383 00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:55,040 Speaker 2: create a monetization scheme, not scheme but a plan uh 1384 00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:58,040 Speaker 2: with their broadcast partner in ESPN and the growth of 1385 00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:02,920 Speaker 2: their Plus platform as well as others. And the reality 1386 00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:06,560 Speaker 2: is they can basically get away with having these lesser 1387 00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:10,360 Speaker 2: cards without a tremendous blowback. They still have the ability 1388 00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:12,800 Speaker 2: to promote stars, which, by the way, ESPN, I'll give 1389 00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:14,920 Speaker 2: them credit, they're very good at storytelling relative to Fox. 1390 00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,080 Speaker 2: It doesn't really affect the upper bound limit of their 1391 00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:21,520 Speaker 2: business and it keeps out competitors from really being able 1392 00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:23,800 Speaker 2: to shine. There's a lot of value to it. 1393 00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:25,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you on that. It is watered down. 1394 00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,000 Speaker 1: Like hell, I went was looking at the first three 1395 00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:31,439 Speaker 1: New York cards to sort of feel my things, saying, look, 1396 00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:33,960 Speaker 1: I like this card on Saturday. Not a New York 1397 00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:37,320 Speaker 1: card for them. Is UFC TWOL five twenty sixteen, the 1398 00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:41,240 Speaker 1: first New York card the if you take the last 1399 00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:43,200 Speaker 1: seven fights, so that like the best card and you 1400 00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:45,600 Speaker 1: have So it was the three title fights, No it 1401 00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:47,680 Speaker 1: was it was, Yeah, it was Connor, Yeah it was. 1402 00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:51,000 Speaker 1: It was Woodley Thompson one, which was which by the way, 1403 00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:53,360 Speaker 1: people forget it was the Night of the Night, was 1404 00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:56,800 Speaker 1: Joanna Carolina, which was a war right, yep, it was 1405 00:58:57,120 --> 00:59:01,160 Speaker 1: Rocky Pennington retiring Mishitate and it was that was two five. 1406 00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:03,240 Speaker 1: And also you had I forgot what the oh the 1407 00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:04,720 Speaker 1: O Wideman getting sent to hell. 1408 00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:08,280 Speaker 2: By here, I got it right here, Gregor Alvarez, Woodley Thompson, 1409 00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:12,120 Speaker 2: Johanna Carolina, Joel Wideman, Pennington Tate, and then on the 1410 00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:17,080 Speaker 2: preliminary card Edgar Stevens, dam Habib, Michael Johnson, Tim Boch 1411 00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:17,680 Speaker 2: and the tall. 1412 00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,960 Speaker 1: I'll put those seven fights up against any card in 1413 00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:23,720 Speaker 1: UFC history, and you go back, look, you have C 1414 00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:26,600 Speaker 1: two hundred. There was a lot you needed to see 1415 00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:28,640 Speaker 1: in the preliminary level. They did a good job at 1416 00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:30,920 Speaker 1: matching it, but losing DC John hurt that a lot. 1417 00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,600 Speaker 1: And then you have two seventeen is close the second 1418 00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:35,360 Speaker 1: Garden card. You had the three I thought that was 1419 00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:37,920 Speaker 1: the best a card ever closed in UFC history with 1420 00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:40,400 Speaker 1: those three title shots that had crazy dramatic endings, and 1421 00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:42,040 Speaker 1: then you had some pretty good fights below that. 1422 00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:44,560 Speaker 2: But uh, I think that's that's the standard bearer, though 1423 00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:45,960 Speaker 2: I think they were supposed to have. By the way, 1424 00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:48,800 Speaker 2: Serroni versus Brown on that card as well. They lost 1425 00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:49,080 Speaker 2: a chance. 1426 00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:50,000 Speaker 1: All right, we gotta roll on here. 1427 00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,120 Speaker 2: It's time right, so yes, let's do it. This is 1428 00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:53,360 Speaker 2: where you bring your slapstick. 1429 00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:54,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. Have you seen this ship? 1430 00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:54,840 Speaker 2: Luke? 1431 00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:56,560 Speaker 1: Look like I scoured the globe to find the best 1432 00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:59,040 Speaker 1: in combat sports. Over this past weekend we start Bell 1433 00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:01,880 Speaker 1: Tour two thirty two. I was cage side Mohican Sun 1434 01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:06,160 Speaker 1: in Auncasville. Patrick mixed PATCHI mix the bantam weight with 1435 01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:08,840 Speaker 1: it insane. What do we call him? This Salulev stretch? 1436 01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:11,080 Speaker 2: The Marsulov stretch? 1437 01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:13,200 Speaker 1: I think you got this out of the Kama Suture playbook. 1438 01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:15,360 Speaker 1: Look at this? How do you get that for a tap? That? 1439 01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:16,120 Speaker 1: That thing hurts? 1440 01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,920 Speaker 2: It's like a Is that the late spring donkey? Is 1441 01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:19,520 Speaker 2: that what they call it? 1442 01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's one of them, came, I mean, are you 1443 01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,840 Speaker 1: kidding me right here? Have you seen this before? Yeah? 1444 01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:27,560 Speaker 2: This is well. A Marsulov is the guy who this. 1445 01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:28,040 Speaker 1: Is named for. 1446 01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:31,560 Speaker 2: It's a hamstring ripper. You've seen the UFC before. Al 1447 01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:33,920 Speaker 2: Jabin Sterling has done it, Kenny Robertson has done it. 1448 01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,640 Speaker 2: But Mike Bond from Junkie Point is out. He is 1449 01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:39,120 Speaker 2: the first guy. Patchy mix here to do it in bellator. 1450 01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:39,720 Speaker 2: He is a dude. 1451 01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:41,640 Speaker 1: I've seen that move, but there was a pole involved. 1452 01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:42,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I've never really liked bro. 1453 01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:44,520 Speaker 2: That's a legitimate prospect right there. 1454 01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:47,240 Speaker 1: Ah, God, did you see that fifty cent comes in 1455 01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:49,800 Speaker 1: the cage afterwards? Did you see this? Normally it's a 1456 01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:52,680 Speaker 1: tournament winner. It gets the champagne PATCHI mix gets it. 1457 01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:53,800 Speaker 1: And look at this dance right here. 1458 01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:55,520 Speaker 2: You know what this dances. You know that sham. 1459 01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:57,360 Speaker 1: You know what this dance is telling you. There will 1460 01:00:57,400 --> 01:00:59,280 Speaker 1: be sex in the champagne room. Look at this guy. 1461 01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:03,840 Speaker 2: Look at this Yeah, yeah, he's feeling it. That champagne 1462 01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:05,360 Speaker 2: is certainly the worst champagne ever made. 1463 01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:07,040 Speaker 1: Probably I want to take you to England for the 1464 01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:09,800 Speaker 1: second one. Have you seen this ship yo kayo forty three? 1465 01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:13,800 Speaker 1: It's a mootai event. Check out Stabler here with the 1466 01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:16,400 Speaker 1: brutal hatchet job. This look like my best sectomy. 1467 01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:18,720 Speaker 2: Look at it was like an axe being thrown with 1468 01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:20,440 Speaker 2: his elbow at the top. This is, by the way, 1469 01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:22,520 Speaker 2: this is not this is like, this is real moy 1470 01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:27,560 Speaker 2: Thai like that. Oh god, that's most slashing elbows from 1471 01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,360 Speaker 2: vertical Yeah, they don't allow but this is real, moy Ti. 1472 01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:32,000 Speaker 1: By the way, baby Slice got away with some bad 1473 01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:33,400 Speaker 1: twelve six elbowing on Saurday night. 1474 01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:34,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, but this is not twelve to six in that 1475 01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:38,320 Speaker 2: particular way twelve that broke that is that's real, moy 1476 01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:38,840 Speaker 2: THI right there. 1477 01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,680 Speaker 1: Remember Scream one when Matthew Liller was like, cut me, 1478 01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:43,800 Speaker 1: I'm ready by. 1479 01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:46,160 Speaker 2: Never, I've never seen any of the screams. I've never 1480 01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:48,120 Speaker 2: seen any of the screams. And I've never seen any 1481 01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:49,959 Speaker 2: of the fast and the furious. You know why because 1482 01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:50,720 Speaker 2: I read books. 1483 01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:53,320 Speaker 1: All right, Hey, number three, I want to take you 1484 01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:56,040 Speaker 1: to poland there was a bizarre Oh I saw this 1485 01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:58,560 Speaker 1: and then they fight? Luke, I don't even have jokes. 1486 01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:00,160 Speaker 1: What the hell's going? 1487 01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:03,280 Speaker 2: Whyn't help a serious question? Why wouldn't you just need him? 1488 01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:08,120 Speaker 1: This was at Fame Mma. Are these guys in the 1489 01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:10,560 Speaker 1: same weight class? Luke? I mean, I've seen fights like 1490 01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:11,680 Speaker 1: there's normally a men's. 1491 01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:12,240 Speaker 2: You know what it looks like. 1492 01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:14,200 Speaker 1: And I know, Oh, look at that ship checking him. 1493 01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:18,160 Speaker 2: Boom, Oh he got him, he rocked him. I don't 1494 01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:20,640 Speaker 2: This is the thing. I don't want to be like demeaning, 1495 01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:22,880 Speaker 2: but does it not remind you of glass Joe. 1496 01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:27,200 Speaker 1: Reminds me another David Goliath MMA fight that that broke history, 1497 01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:30,440 Speaker 1: WrestleMania twenty four in Orlando. There it is, Luke. Look 1498 01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:33,920 Speaker 1: at the size differential, Look at Mayweather's focus. His unbeating 1499 01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:36,760 Speaker 1: record was on the line this night. But very similar 1500 01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:38,560 Speaker 1: to that MMA fight in Poland. I didn't see the. 1501 01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:40,480 Speaker 2: Results though, you know, instead of showing me these highlights, 1502 01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:42,160 Speaker 2: why don't you just have someone with a super soaker 1503 01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:43,360 Speaker 2: shoot aids into my face. 1504 01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:45,880 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's you went too far. The line 1505 01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:46,960 Speaker 1: was here, you went over all. 1506 01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:48,000 Speaker 2: Right, Well that's what I do. 1507 01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:50,400 Speaker 1: Wow. I don't even know if I can come back 1508 01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:53,880 Speaker 1: from that. But uh wow, have you seen this ship 1509 01:02:54,000 --> 01:03:00,400 Speaker 1: takes us to Sochi, Russia. GFC nineteen zassulan Aki zoon 1510 01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:06,040 Speaker 1: off with the spinning back kick on. Look at that dude. 1511 01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:08,440 Speaker 1: That's like covering your eyes and throwing a dart and 1512 01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:08,920 Speaker 1: getting a bull. 1513 01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:10,800 Speaker 2: So he's rotating into it like that. 1514 01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,280 Speaker 1: Ah, and the guy crouching tiger just got right into 1515 01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:14,520 Speaker 1: the Hidendragon is nice. 1516 01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,880 Speaker 2: Bro. These guys out of Dakistan, they don't have a round. 1517 01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:21,320 Speaker 2: They are they are a different breeding man. Yeah, there 1518 01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:23,000 Speaker 2: are different There are different animals over there. 1519 01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:25,560 Speaker 1: Wow, that's that's a beautiful thing. So you think it's 1520 01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:27,440 Speaker 1: all slapstick and slapstick, it's I give you some. 1521 01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:31,760 Speaker 2: I'll well you did have the thing before from Poland, 1522 01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:33,400 Speaker 2: but I'll do all that back. All right, let's go 1523 01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:34,120 Speaker 2: bring the heat today. 1524 01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:38,120 Speaker 1: Let's go to Mayanmar. Let's get some Burmese. Is this 1525 01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:41,000 Speaker 1: Life Way kickboxing? This is Left Wave fourteen. Well the 1526 01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:46,960 Speaker 1: ron's not starting, guys, break this up? Rot Why foot? Yeah? 1527 01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:48,640 Speaker 1: Why is the ref barefoot? Dude? That guy took a 1528 01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:50,760 Speaker 1: dive worse than Jake Hager's appointed on Friday from the 1529 01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:53,320 Speaker 1: need of the balls. I didn't see that fight. Look 1530 01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:56,200 Speaker 1: at this. I don't really think he got clipped by 1531 01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:56,400 Speaker 1: the way. 1532 01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:58,720 Speaker 2: Is it life weight like you can only win via 1533 01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:00,440 Speaker 2: knockout and they can wake you up after you've been 1534 01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:05,600 Speaker 2: knocked out, I believe. Yeah, Wow, dude, Life Way is hardcore? 1535 01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:06,680 Speaker 2: Hard core? 1536 01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:09,480 Speaker 1: Yes, well, I know what you're saying, Luke and viewers. Uh, 1537 01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:12,440 Speaker 1: we didn't see any tip on tip action. Nobody grabbed 1538 01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:16,400 Speaker 1: anybody's dick, nobody touched dongs. But uh, you know I 1539 01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:18,320 Speaker 1: always got a bonus for you, So why don't we 1540 01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:21,160 Speaker 1: go to uh fifty five year old Ken Shamrocks wrestling 1541 01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:25,360 Speaker 1: comeback against the King of dong style, Joey Ryan. Oh 1542 01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:28,840 Speaker 1: he grabbed it. He's got a hold of it. What 1543 01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:31,880 Speaker 1: is this? There's no coming back from this. Here comes 1544 01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:32,479 Speaker 1: a dong drag. 1545 01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:33,080 Speaker 2: Are you ready? 1546 01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:38,160 Speaker 1: Ken? You're in trouble? Oh you any movement? Don't? 1547 01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:39,320 Speaker 2: I don't understand what's happening. 1548 01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:43,480 Speaker 1: Joey made Ken grab the dong and then the dongs 1549 01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:45,920 Speaker 1: so strong, so big, so strong, as he would say 1550 01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:50,280 Speaker 1: that he was able to. Yeah, all right, Well, Ken 1551 01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:52,560 Speaker 1: SHAMROCK's doing crazy things in parressling. You've been watching lately, 1552 01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:55,360 Speaker 1: his return to impact. He's flipping and flying. Looks to 1553 01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:58,200 Speaker 1: me he shot has giving him a clear pass. Here. 1554 01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:00,000 Speaker 1: Look at this against Moose. You gotta give him credit 1555 01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:04,760 Speaker 1: for that, right do I? All right? All right, hey, 1556 01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:06,600 Speaker 1: it was fun while we did this weird dick to 1557 01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:08,880 Speaker 1: touch and exercise. I guess you'll see you back next week. 1558 01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:13,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, very good. Yeah? Do you have any 1559 01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:13,960 Speaker 2: more surprises for us? 1560 01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:16,760 Speaker 1: I know you do. No, No, I don't. 1561 01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:22,160 Speaker 2: I don't hold on, Jay, spit it out, buddy, we 1562 01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:25,040 Speaker 2: have oh odds and ends. Shit, I forgot, let's do 1563 01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:27,720 Speaker 2: odds and ends very quickly. Brian Campbell odds and ends. 1564 01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:29,120 Speaker 1: I don't think I can go very quickly here. I 1565 01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:31,200 Speaker 1: gotta take you quick. On boxing, did you see shir 1566 01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:34,200 Speaker 1: kerse Stevenson on ESPN on Saturday in Reno Win's' first 1567 01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:37,160 Speaker 1: world title in a featherweight bout against Joe Jonzales. Bought 1568 01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:38,760 Speaker 1: footage up there in the moment there, we're leaving that 1569 01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:40,680 Speaker 1: up there. But did you hear the crazy story coming 1570 01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:43,120 Speaker 1: in Sea Curse Stevens? You know this guy named after Tupac. 1571 01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:45,440 Speaker 1: He's got Andre Ward and Terence Crawford as like his 1572 01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:50,520 Speaker 1: co manager in mentory. He was banging Joe at Gonzalez's sister, 1573 01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:54,360 Speaker 1: so the family turned against the sister. She's in his corner. 1574 01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:56,280 Speaker 1: They wanted to fight with him. Two unbeaten to get 1575 01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:59,400 Speaker 1: together and Stevenson wins a wide decision. It looks like 1576 01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:02,080 Speaker 1: the next may with doing it and the father refuses 1577 01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:04,840 Speaker 1: to welcome the daughter back into the family. Is this like, 1578 01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:07,160 Speaker 1: is this the best? This is the best one man 1579 01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:09,560 Speaker 1: takedown of a family since like soccer, Robo and the Gracies. 1580 01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:11,320 Speaker 1: If you want to just finish them off and step 1581 01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:12,520 Speaker 1: on the back of the throat and by the way, 1582 01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:14,919 Speaker 1: to Shaker's credit, he wants family unity, but they want 1583 01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:16,520 Speaker 1: nothing to do with him. They left the ring afterwards. 1584 01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:18,280 Speaker 1: You might want to slide in the mom's DMS. I 1585 01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:24,120 Speaker 1: mean he's taken the son's. Oh, he's taken the daughter's. Oh. 1586 01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:25,320 Speaker 1: It broke the dad's heart. 1587 01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:26,040 Speaker 2: Why are you here? 1588 01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:28,080 Speaker 1: All right? The foot? Did you saw over my shoulder? 1589 01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:29,360 Speaker 1: Did you get a chance to see? On his own? 1590 01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:34,640 Speaker 1: The one forty super Bowl the WBSS final, Progra losing 1591 01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:38,080 Speaker 1: a majority decision to Josh Salor. I had Taylor, I 1592 01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:41,520 Speaker 1: believe by two points. Great fight, great fight, and I thought, Taylor, 1593 01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:44,640 Speaker 1: you thought you thought? I thought, there's shirhur stevenside of 1594 01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:46,560 Speaker 1: our shoulder now. But yeah, so Jay, you're all over. 1595 01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:47,320 Speaker 2: The place you had? 1596 01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:49,840 Speaker 1: Did you have? I had pro Gray early and then late, 1597 01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:51,480 Speaker 1: and then Taylor for the most of the see. I 1598 01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:53,600 Speaker 1: gave Taylor more early rounds than other people did. Here's 1599 01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:55,160 Speaker 1: the thing. We thought Taylor was going to be the 1600 01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:56,680 Speaker 1: boxer and Progre was going to be the puncher. But 1601 01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:59,360 Speaker 1: Taylor was the longer, bigger man. From round one, he 1602 01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:02,880 Speaker 1: crowded great swallowly, suffocated him and landed the bigger shots 1603 01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:05,160 Speaker 1: and just went after it. You saw the damage. Josh 1604 01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:07,640 Speaker 1: Taylor's eye was cut and swollen to push late. But 1605 01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:10,680 Speaker 1: I mean look, Rugaro was so humble afterwards and just saying, look, 1606 01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:12,840 Speaker 1: you know I thought I won, but which the better man? 1607 01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:13,600 Speaker 2: I love that? 1608 01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:15,919 Speaker 1: But Taylor made a leap. You know these yuro guys, dude, 1609 01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:18,280 Speaker 1: when they when they go up to the Elite American competition, 1610 01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:19,840 Speaker 1: a lot of times they end up getting folded up 1611 01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:21,640 Speaker 1: into a suitcase. Josh Taylor looks for real. I want 1612 01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:23,200 Speaker 1: to see him against Hoose Ramris. We got to make 1613 01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:24,000 Speaker 1: the networks work together. 1614 01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:26,040 Speaker 2: There was some speculation that the winner of this could 1615 01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:27,440 Speaker 2: move into one forty seven and make some noise. 1616 01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:29,920 Speaker 1: Ruger U was calling out Terrence crawfre He said, after 1617 01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:31,600 Speaker 1: I get all the belts together one forty, I'll move 1618 01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:33,880 Speaker 1: up close loss. It's like a Fight of the Year contender. 1619 01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:36,040 Speaker 2: Though it was great, I don't see these guys as 1620 01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:36,760 Speaker 2: one forty seven. 1621 01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:40,080 Speaker 1: I think pro Gray showed you that his power against 1622 01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:42,120 Speaker 1: a bigger man didn't really translate like we hoped and 1623 01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:43,880 Speaker 1: want to write. It wasn't as explosive we wanted. But 1624 01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:46,240 Speaker 1: this weekend also in boxing quickly Ericson Lubin the one 1625 01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:49,120 Speaker 1: fifty four Bright Guy on the Way Up had a 1626 01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:51,120 Speaker 1: nice win over Nathaniel Gallimore. And the thing is here, 1627 01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:53,440 Speaker 1: Luke one fifty four. There's a lot of killers. There's 1628 01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:54,920 Speaker 1: a lot of business to be had. You're gonna get 1629 01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:57,760 Speaker 1: a Jermel Charlow twenty Harrison title rematch coming up. Jared 1630 01:07:57,840 --> 01:07:59,560 Speaker 1: Hurd had just lost the title by absete to Julian 1631 01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:01,400 Speaker 1: Jay Rock Wiams. You got Arison Lara that wants a 1632 01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:03,680 Speaker 1: titles job. Now you got Eric Suon Lubin that inserted 1633 01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:05,160 Speaker 1: his name back into the mix. I don't know if 1634 01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:08,360 Speaker 1: you remember he lost by first round knockout to Charlo Oh. Yes, 1635 01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:10,400 Speaker 1: and he bounced back four straight wins. That was a 1636 01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:12,360 Speaker 1: very clinical one on Friday night. And I don't know 1637 01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:14,440 Speaker 1: if you saw that fight of the year potential brawl 1638 01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:16,479 Speaker 1: in the Cole main event when Granado's went in there 1639 01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:17,240 Speaker 1: against Robert Eastern. 1640 01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:19,000 Speaker 2: Fortunate did not they let their hands go bro There's 1641 01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:20,280 Speaker 2: only so much violence I could watch it. 1642 01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:22,120 Speaker 1: I was watching Belator in front of me, and I 1643 01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:25,200 Speaker 1: was watching Showtime on the on the laptop. 1644 01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:27,120 Speaker 2: Last but not at least Connor McGregor said on this 1645 01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:30,320 Speaker 2: European tour he's on for I guess he's promoting his 1646 01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:32,240 Speaker 2: brand or whatever he's doing. He was saying that he 1647 01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:36,160 Speaker 2: has didn't mention the opponent, but he said that January eighteenth, 1648 01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:38,599 Speaker 2: t Mobile Arena, he's going to be there. That's going 1649 01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:40,400 Speaker 2: to be his return to the octagon. Dana White said, 1650 01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:42,559 Speaker 2: I mean, yes, that is a date we are looking at, 1651 01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:45,400 Speaker 2: but we don't have anything else in mind. Brian Campell, 1652 01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:46,800 Speaker 2: let's do a little bit of a back and forth here. 1653 01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:48,680 Speaker 2: Who would we like to see him fight if it's 1654 01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:51,400 Speaker 2: a return, said he knows January and eighteen. He said, 1655 01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:53,360 Speaker 2: he knows the point of but say it because the 1656 01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:55,120 Speaker 2: UFC will switch it on him last minute. 1657 01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:56,920 Speaker 1: I think it's it's going to come down right now 1658 01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:59,600 Speaker 1: to Donald Ceroni or just engage. Yes, correct answer. I 1659 01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:01,160 Speaker 1: mean I would like FRANKI Edgar. I think any of 1660 01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:02,920 Speaker 1: those three fit the mold of what you're trying to do. 1661 01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:04,040 Speaker 1: I don't like the way to wait so long. This 1662 01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:05,680 Speaker 1: should have happened back in like you know, April or 1663 01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:08,000 Speaker 1: May if you're asking me. But the fact that Connor 1664 01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:09,559 Speaker 1: needs to get back in there against a name that 1665 01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:12,360 Speaker 1: he could lose to but will probably win and then 1666 01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:12,840 Speaker 1: you are. 1667 01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:14,679 Speaker 2: But by the way, Justin Gatgee is not that guy 1668 01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:16,200 Speaker 2: donald Son. 1669 01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:18,639 Speaker 1: I put some respect on that name. You're right, Justin Gage. 1670 01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:20,280 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not saying connor Can that's hell. 1671 01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:22,360 Speaker 1: That's that's a hell fight. But that point is you're 1672 01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:23,720 Speaker 1: not gonna put him back in there against a BIB 1673 01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:25,559 Speaker 1: until you gotta earn, you gottaet at least more win. 1674 01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:27,000 Speaker 1: You got to come back and get that win. And 1675 01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:29,200 Speaker 1: that's not saying that that hebe's gonna walk through Tony. 1676 01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:30,519 Speaker 1: By the way, that's gonna be our super Bowl. That's 1677 01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:32,400 Speaker 1: gonna be the fight we need to see. But damn 1678 01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:34,639 Speaker 1: lightweights hot and just the fact that he's coming back 1679 01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:36,760 Speaker 1: and has a date and it seems serious. It's about 1680 01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:38,200 Speaker 1: damn time. I don't need to be reading any more 1681 01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:39,040 Speaker 1: New York Times reports. 1682 01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:41,080 Speaker 2: All right, yeah, two of them, Oscar too. 1683 01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:42,519 Speaker 1: By the way, the fifth, I don't need to be 1684 01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:42,840 Speaker 1: reading that. 1685 01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:44,280 Speaker 2: Before we close out the show here, I want to 1686 01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:46,840 Speaker 2: make one more mention of roots of fight. Here's the 1687 01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:49,040 Speaker 2: code at the bottom, twenty percent off. Just put in 1688 01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:53,479 Speaker 2: Morning twenty and it's good from now until November fifteenth. 1689 01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:55,880 Speaker 2: I want to thank roots of fight for sponsoring the 1690 01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:57,240 Speaker 2: show here being a part of the show. 1691 01:09:57,560 --> 01:09:59,800 Speaker 1: Roots of merch. Check out this boss rooting sure right the. 1692 01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:03,960 Speaker 2: Whole esp there. Yeah, there it is show one more time. There, 1693 01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:04,920 Speaker 2: there it is there. 1694 01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:06,840 Speaker 1: There are our sponsors that Hey, you want to you 1695 01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:08,800 Speaker 1: want to sponsor our show or our products? You want 1696 01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:10,360 Speaker 1: to put clothes on my back? You know I'll be 1697 01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:11,280 Speaker 1: wanting to do that. Yeah. 1698 01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:14,120 Speaker 2: Well, and there's virtually nothing we'll say no to, So 1699 01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:15,200 Speaker 2: please send us some stuff. 1700 01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:17,599 Speaker 1: Hey, you think this shows use the promo code morning. 1701 01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:20,439 Speaker 1: You think the show is over, But we actually have 1702 01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:23,920 Speaker 1: a surprise, all right because the dogs, the dogs out 1703 01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:25,920 Speaker 1: there won't let me rest. They're sending me pictures of you. 1704 01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:28,240 Speaker 1: So there's the high school Luke Thomas. But here's the 1705 01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:32,639 Speaker 1: Donk evolution. Is this post Marines? This is mad at life? 1706 01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:34,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is that was a bad time in my life. 1707 01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:37,760 Speaker 1: Well look at the evolution here from wide eyed teenager 1708 01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:41,000 Speaker 1: pre Jeremy pearl jam to like I might kill you 1709 01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:44,560 Speaker 1: by accident. It looked like a hairless Speaking of transformations, 1710 01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:47,799 Speaker 1: it brought to mind a great, not great, a horrible 1711 01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:51,800 Speaker 1: nineties physical and mental transformation. It's very JayR in the back. 1712 01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:53,960 Speaker 1: Can you hit us with it? It's very remy and 1713 01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:56,920 Speaker 1: higher learning. I mean, look at that is like right 1714 01:10:57,040 --> 01:11:01,400 Speaker 1: on right there, you know called somebody mal is? Yeah, 1715 01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:05,080 Speaker 1: do you hire learning? That's that's an intense ass movie. 1716 01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:06,559 Speaker 1: But that's the first thing I think of when I 1717 01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:07,920 Speaker 1: see that bald head angry luke. 1718 01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:09,600 Speaker 2: You know what, though, that's not nearly as good as 1719 01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:11,760 Speaker 2: high Mass. Scalante standing delivered my second reference to that. 1720 01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:14,080 Speaker 2: You know what, though, I have a surprise for you. No, 1721 01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:17,040 Speaker 2: oh yes I do. Don't you see here's what happened. 1722 01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:22,040 Speaker 2: Let me tell you. You look like the third shittiest 1723 01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:26,280 Speaker 2: Paul Brother between logan and jab. You're you're a poor 1724 01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:28,559 Speaker 2: man's logan pole dude. What the fuck were you doing 1725 01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:29,800 Speaker 2: with that headband? You walked out of the house with 1726 01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:31,760 Speaker 2: a headband being like, yo, I'm killing it sign. 1727 01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:34,679 Speaker 1: So there's a story behind that picture. Remember when breathewrighte 1728 01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:35,519 Speaker 1: strips were popular. 1729 01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:37,400 Speaker 2: I wear them every night. I had I literally wear 1730 01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:38,160 Speaker 2: them every night, all right. 1731 01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:40,360 Speaker 1: I had one on in there and I wrote our 1732 01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:44,800 Speaker 1: our boys cross country team slogan of T A B TAB. 1733 01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:48,200 Speaker 2: Which stands for the asshole Boys, tits. 1734 01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:51,600 Speaker 1: Ass and bush. But it got around that to the 1735 01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:55,559 Speaker 1: yearbook editor, Missus. Missus Dastasio got around to her that 1736 01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:57,160 Speaker 1: that might be what it was. So she pulled me 1737 01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:59,200 Speaker 1: out of class. She said, we can't run your cross 1738 01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:01,880 Speaker 1: country senior picture in the yearbook because we hear bad things. 1739 01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:03,600 Speaker 1: What is tab she says. I said, Oh, it's an 1740 01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:05,840 Speaker 1: old soda. She goes, no, what is tab? And in 1741 01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:08,519 Speaker 1: the moment you have the dots after the letters. No, yeah, okay. 1742 01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:11,120 Speaker 1: And in the moment I go training attitude and balls 1743 01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:12,040 Speaker 1: because that's what's we're. 1744 01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:15,240 Speaker 2: About on the cross She was like, all right, she 1745 01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:19,519 Speaker 2: let it roll. Uh. There's a guy my brother senior 1746 01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:22,760 Speaker 2: year of Valdosta High School. Though though the the the 1747 01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:25,320 Speaker 2: rival high school was Lounds. This is a true story 1748 01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:27,479 Speaker 2: the guy and we knew him, the guy who did 1749 01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:30,559 Speaker 2: all the loundes uh drawings for the yearbook. If you 1750 01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:32,640 Speaker 2: turned all the pictures upside down, it was just a 1751 01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:34,599 Speaker 2: bunch of dicks, so like it would be like it'd 1752 01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:36,360 Speaker 2: like a Roman god flexing an arm and they turn 1753 01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:38,080 Speaker 2: their arm sit down as a huge dick. You guys 1754 01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:40,920 Speaker 2: touching Dixon, poll you guys touching Dix and Paul anyway, 1755 01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:43,680 Speaker 2: you are the long lost Logan welcome, Brian Paul. It 1756 01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:45,000 Speaker 2: is nice to see you, hear my friend. 1757 01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:46,840 Speaker 1: Hey, Logan Paul's got a big fight coming up, all. 1758 01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:47,720 Speaker 2: Right, he certainly doesn't do. 1759 01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:48,640 Speaker 1: You know what he told me when I an't need 1760 01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:50,160 Speaker 1: him last week? Oh wait, you did talk to him. 1761 01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:51,760 Speaker 1: I did talk to her for a half hour. He 1762 01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:52,840 Speaker 1: told me his goal. 1763 01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:54,880 Speaker 2: How much of that was just armpit noises in him 1764 01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:56,080 Speaker 2: doing that kind of thing? 1765 01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:59,120 Speaker 1: He said, his goal is to be the uh the best, 1766 01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:01,559 Speaker 1: biggest invest in her tiner and entertainment history, and number 1767 01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:04,280 Speaker 1: two to fight in the UFC, like legitimately. 1768 01:13:04,360 --> 01:13:09,160 Speaker 2: Legitimately i'd some see him punk uh you know, affirmative 1769 01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:10,000 Speaker 2: action case. 1770 01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:13,200 Speaker 1: Yep and h yeah. So maybe we can get him 1771 01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:14,080 Speaker 1: and see him punk in there again. 1772 01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:16,920 Speaker 2: I mean, I know that's what I don't want. Look, 1773 01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:19,080 Speaker 2: if Logan Paul is actually good enough to fight, he 1774 01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:21,080 Speaker 2: should fight in the UFC. I'm actually not against that, 1775 01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:23,839 Speaker 2: but you actually have to be good enough to fow well. 1776 01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:25,799 Speaker 1: More charming on the phone, you'd than you'd think. 1777 01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:28,160 Speaker 2: You know who's gonna get there before him? The gatty boy. 1778 01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:31,400 Speaker 2: He actually looks pretty good. He actually looks pretty good. 1779 01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:33,679 Speaker 2: Great hair too, all right, has any more surprises about 1780 01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:35,000 Speaker 2: shameful moments in my past? 1781 01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:38,760 Speaker 1: No good? Can we stop shaming each other? Where'd you 1782 01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:39,599 Speaker 1: pull that out of there? 1783 01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:41,720 Speaker 2: I mean, so the guy so remember the first time 1784 01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:45,240 Speaker 2: you shamed me? The guy who uh sent me the 1785 01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:47,280 Speaker 2: one time I responded to you before he sent me 1786 01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:49,719 Speaker 2: a bunch of those. And Jay, who is a royal 1787 01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:53,719 Speaker 2: fuck up, was running through all the programming stuff before 1788 01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:55,759 Speaker 2: you got here. When after I didn't, Morning Combat dissected 1789 01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:57,679 Speaker 2: and I saw it and I went to him. I said, 1790 01:13:57,680 --> 01:13:59,760 Speaker 2: Brian Campbell is gonna fucking sabotage me because you're the 1791 01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:02,320 Speaker 2: a i'ma bin loadden of this ship just there terrorist 1792 01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:04,320 Speaker 2: who just comes out of nowhere. He goes get me 1793 01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:05,320 Speaker 2: something before the show. 1794 01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:07,160 Speaker 1: So Jay was a double agent? 1795 01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:11,479 Speaker 2: Is Jay is serving? So I went through and I 1796 01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:13,600 Speaker 2: found that because I'd never used that one before, and 1797 01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:14,960 Speaker 2: I found this whole one. I was like, gonn fucking 1798 01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:16,840 Speaker 2: get him with the headmand photo there a. 1799 01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:19,280 Speaker 1: Cross country senior year. The shorts were so John Stockton 1800 01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:21,360 Speaker 1: either was so baldly that, like, you know, the chicks 1801 01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:23,479 Speaker 1: on you, you'd be afraid that the chicks can accidentally 1802 01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:25,920 Speaker 1: see something that I would wear the boxer shorts the 1803 01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:29,439 Speaker 1: long flannel ones underneath down to my like above knee 1804 01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:32,240 Speaker 1: as a way to counteract the ball seams. I think 1805 01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:37,600 Speaker 1: in hindsight that was a poor you are McLevin you 1806 01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:41,160 Speaker 1: I was much cooler you are mclove. Yeah, okay, the 1807 01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:43,320 Speaker 1: loved ones in the movie sort of all right? Uh 1808 01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:44,840 Speaker 1: that is Brian Campbell. I'm Luke Thomas. 1809 01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:46,960 Speaker 2: Hey, guys, favor to ask not only if you want 1810 01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:48,280 Speaker 2: to go get a discount on the roots of fight 1811 01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:50,720 Speaker 2: that'd be great, but also like the video, give the 1812 01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:52,880 Speaker 2: thumbs up and subscribe to the channel and tell folks 1813 01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:54,640 Speaker 2: about the show. Right there is no show. I want 1814 01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:56,720 Speaker 2: to quickly before we go. There is no show like 1815 01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:58,920 Speaker 2: this in combat sports period. It doesn't exist and it 1816 01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:01,920 Speaker 2: won't exist. Well, we're doing fine, but we need your 1817 01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:04,519 Speaker 2: continued support to get to bigger and the realist. 1818 01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:06,479 Speaker 1: We're gonna be real. By the way, were building an 1819 01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:10,120 Speaker 1: army of crazy fanatics. People are sliding in my Instagram 1820 01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:12,320 Speaker 1: dms giving me pictures of the chef Chanko's sisters, Like 1821 01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:14,439 Speaker 1: I'm not already in a relationship with their Instagram pages 1822 01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:14,800 Speaker 1: right now. 1823 01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:17,200 Speaker 2: Well, he's weird, but I'm just saying he'll be around 1824 01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:19,320 Speaker 2: and I'll be around. We're gonna be around together. We 1825 01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:21,920 Speaker 2: want your to get We're super appreciative of your support. 1826 01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:24,640 Speaker 2: But keep telling folks about it. Keep subscribing, help us 1827 01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:27,360 Speaker 2: get there. The bigger that this gets, the more stuff 1828 01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:29,479 Speaker 2: we can do. Right now, we're stuck in someone's basement. 1829 01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:31,559 Speaker 2: They're gonna put a ballgag on him, like the new 1830 01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:33,080 Speaker 2: Compult fiction here in. 1831 01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:36,400 Speaker 4: Five minutes Luke's nineties reference. Get the ballgag out of 1832 01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:39,759 Speaker 4: Brian Campbell's mouth. Let's get onto, let's do some other things. 1833 01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:42,400 Speaker 4: You keep subscribing, You keep telling folks about us. You 1834 01:15:42,439 --> 01:15:43,880 Speaker 4: never know what mand up in your basement. 1835 01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:44,439 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. 1836 01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:46,679 Speaker 2: Here are social channels you can follow me. Luke Thomas 1837 01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:49,840 Speaker 2: News on Instagram, L Thomas on Twitter, and then Brian No, 1838 01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:54,560 Speaker 2: Brian Campbell No, Brian C. Campbell on Insta, be Campbell. 1839 01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:55,720 Speaker 1: CB, Brian Campbell's World. 1840 01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:57,800 Speaker 2: Apparently there are Actually when I searched your name, it 1841 01:15:57,800 --> 01:15:59,560 Speaker 2: wasn't until you got verified that it was like the 1842 01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:01,840 Speaker 2: first one. All right, guys, we gotta go out here. 1843 01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:05,719 Speaker 2: Enjoy UFC two forty four, enjoyed Canelo versus coblev for Brian, 1844 01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:08,840 Speaker 2: I'm Luke until next time and all of your games people,