1 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: I get everybody on Dan Horde and thanks for downloading 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth podcast. The I'm a New Day Rising addition, 3 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: as I discussed the Bengals key offseason storylines with the 4 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: great Greg co Sell from NFL Films. What will a 5 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow contract extension mean to the overall roster? Which 6 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: of the starting defensive free agents does Greg think it's 7 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 1: most important to resign. We'll cover those topics and many more. 8 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: Then it's the second edition of our NFL Expert Mock 9 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: draft as Pete Prisco from CBS Sports takes his turn 10 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: on the Pro Football Focus mock simulator. 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After forty seven years 19 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: as the head coach at his and my alma mater. 20 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: Jim Beheim's Hall of Fame career ended on Wednesday with 21 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: a loss to Wake Forest in the ACC Tournament. My 22 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,479 Speaker 1: freshman year at the Accuse was his sixth year as 23 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: the head coach. The Carrier Dome and the Big East 24 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: were basically new, and between my four years as a 25 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,559 Speaker 1: student and ted years working in Syracuse in radio and TV, 26 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: I covered Coach Beheim and his teams very closely. We 27 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: had a few run ins when he objected to my questions, 28 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: but by and large it was a joy to cover 29 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: his teams with stars like Pearl Washington, Derek Coleman, and 30 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: German Douglas. And I learned a ton about basketball from 31 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: watching Coach Beheim's crack and hosting his weekly radio show. Additionally, 32 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: I golfed with him. We were partners in a two 33 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: on two match. Imagine missing a three footer for Parr 34 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: to lose a hole and hearing how and has your 35 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: husband put in that Jim Beheim voice. Then there was 36 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: the time I coached against him. When I was a 37 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: TV sportscaster in Syracuse, I did a weekly segment called 38 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: Dare Dan, where I competed against viewers in their sport 39 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: game or adventure of choice. There were normal challenges like 40 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 1: tennis and whiffleball, but I also competed against a dog 41 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: at catching frisbees. I won and took on twenty seven 42 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: residents of a senior citizens home in Simon says I lost. 43 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:49,239 Speaker 1: Three elderly ladies outlasted me. The segment became quite popular, 44 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: and before leaving town to move to Cincinnati, I wanted 45 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:56,239 Speaker 1: the final Daredan challenge to be memorable, so I set 46 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: up a basketball game where I coached a team of 47 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: elementary school girls against a squad coached by Jim Beheim. 48 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 1: If you would like to see how it turned out, 49 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: or just see what I looked like with hair, you 50 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: can find the segment on YouTube. Just search for Jim 51 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: Beheim Dare Dan. It's the first video that will pop up. 52 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 1: Now let's get to football. Last week at the NFL Combine, 53 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,239 Speaker 1: I had the opportunity to sit down for an extended 54 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: interview with my friend Greg Kosell from NFL Films in 55 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: the NFL Matchup show on ESPN. For my money, there's 56 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: nobody better at studying the coach's tape and making a 57 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: complex game a little bit easier to understand. Before we 58 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: get to that conversation, here's a quick reminder that the 59 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: Bengals Booth podcast is brought to you by Kettering Health, 60 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: the official healthcare provider of the Bengals. With more than 61 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: one hundred twenty care facilities and fifteen hundred care providers, 62 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: Kettering Health is committed to guiding you to your best health. 63 00:03:55,520 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: Visit ketteringhealth dot org to learn more. Now here's Greg. Greg, 64 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: you have been kind enough over the years to share 65 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: some of your draft prospect evaluations with me, and I 66 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: love it. I always save them and look back and 67 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: it's always really revealing from me. I'm interested to know 68 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 1: how many guys do you grade going into a draft 69 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: and who do you choose. That's a great question. And 70 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: I don't really grade in the way some people do. 71 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 1: You know. I don't work for a team, so I 72 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: don't have a grading chart. I just like the process 73 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,679 Speaker 1: of evaluating players. So when I watch a player, obviously 74 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: you always start with their traits and their attributes and 75 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: their characteristics, and then I think in terms of deployment 76 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 1: within the NFL, because ultimately that dan is what the 77 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 1: process is. You're looking to transition and project players to 78 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 1: the league. Some guys traits are obvious. We are pretty 79 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 1: much anybody can see the traits. Other guys traits are 80 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 1: not as obvious. But that doesn't mean they can't play. 81 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: You know, I went through a whole learning curve and 82 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: I started watching college players years and years ago. I 83 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 1: got caught up in hey, he's either great or he 84 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: can't play. And then I realized I was wrong. A 85 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: lot of guys play, and particularly on defense, as you know, 86 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: you know, there's so many sub packages. Teams could play 87 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: seventeen eighteen nineteen guys on defense every single week, and 88 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: a guy could play twelve snaps, but those are twelve 89 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 1: really important snaps. And you know, he may not be 90 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:16,559 Speaker 1: an All Pro, he may not be a Hall of Famer, 91 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: but he's going to play in the league for ten 92 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: years and be an important part of a defense. And 93 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: so I had to really learn the process of evaluating 94 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,720 Speaker 1: players because there's not many and there's very few quite 95 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: honestly transcendent players in any draft where you just say 96 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: that guy's great, he can do anything, he can play 97 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: in any system. You know, put him out there, he's great. 98 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: But the way I actually starts guys who do this 99 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: all year round, the Dane Bruglers of the world, people 100 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: like that. I start with, you know, Daniel Teremiah. I 101 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: kind of look at their lists and then when the 102 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 1: combine comes out, and unfortunately, because I'm a one man 103 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: scouting service, I can't do four hundred guys. But then 104 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 1: when the combine list comes out, I try to work 105 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: off that as well. But that's kind of how I 106 00:05:56,080 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 1: do it. And it gets very frustrating Dan, because I 107 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: want to do so many more guys, but you know, 108 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: I'm only one person, and there's so many only so 109 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: many hours in the day. And defensive guys are the 110 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: toughest from a process standpoint, because you have to watch 111 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: full games for defensive guys because you have to see 112 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 1: the plays you know that they don't make. You know, 113 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 1: particularly let's say corners or safeties. You know, you can 114 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:21,799 Speaker 1: watch a safety in college football who's a back end safety, 115 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: and you can go through a whole game and he 116 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: really doesn't do a lot, depending on the offense in 117 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: which he's playing against. So you have to just sit 118 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: and grind and watch full games. And because of where 119 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 1: I work NFL films, I have access to all the 120 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: coaching tapes. So I'm seeing the coaching tape, but it's 121 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: a process and it takes time. I always run into 122 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: you in Indianapolis at the Combine every year, and obviously 123 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,919 Speaker 1: you're here. You're you're studying the players, you're listening to 124 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: the interviews, you're seeing how they do in the various tests. 125 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: But you also shared with me that you met with 126 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: some friends on an NFL coaching staff yesterday. Is the 127 00:06:55,200 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: Combine important for you in terms of interacting with important 128 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: people around the league? You know, I think that's the 129 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: way I learned Dan. You know, I'm a big believer 130 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: that you never stop learning. You know, I think most 131 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: people who know my work would say, you know, I'm 132 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: pretty good at it, but I always feel that there's 133 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: so many things I don't know that I want to 134 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: keep learning. You know, I view this because I didn't 135 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: play football. I grew up in Queens in New York. 136 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: I played basketball and baseball. My high school did not 137 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: have a football team, so I had to learn football 138 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: when we started with the coaching tape in NFL Films 139 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety two. And to me, it's more of 140 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: an intellectual and academic exercise and I feel you always 141 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: have to keep learning, and there are certain positions like 142 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: offensive line. I don't fancy myself as an offensive line 143 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: guru by any means. And what I love trying to 144 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: find out from coaches is things when I watch tape, 145 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: what do they see as coachable? What's not coachable? Because 146 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: I don't know the answer to that right off the 147 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: top of my head. You know, I've been fortunate in 148 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: my career to be around, you know, great quarterback people. 149 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: I learned the quarterback position from Bill Walsh, so you 150 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: know that was a pretty good starting point for me. 151 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: But offensive line, you know, I try to find out 152 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: from coaches, Hey, how did they go about evaluating? What 153 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: can they coach? You know, if a guy has a 154 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: certain flaw, they may say to me, oh, I can 155 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: correct that in two weeks. You know, I need to 156 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: learn and understand all that. I want to learn more about, 157 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: you know, even with NFL material, not just college guys. 158 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: I want to learn more about how offensives are installed 159 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: and how they're put in, and what they ask quarterbacks 160 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: to do, how they ask them to go through reading progressions. 161 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: You know, is some teams have it. Hey, if here's 162 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: our zone, routes are on this side of the offense 163 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: and our man routes are on the other side. Some 164 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: teams don't do it that way. I just try to 165 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: keep learning more and more because then when I go 166 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,359 Speaker 1: back and watch tape, I have a greater foundation of knowledge. 167 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,199 Speaker 1: We're visiting with great co sell from NFL Films and 168 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,719 Speaker 1: the NFL Matchup show on ESPN. I think you were 169 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: one of the first to really study the tape and 170 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:55,199 Speaker 1: then communicate your observations to those of us who are, 171 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: you know, always trying to learn more about football. Now 172 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: there seems to be a big industry to these guys 173 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 1: that are coming up and doing it kind of you know, 174 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: approach you and say, hey, you know, you're the godfather, 175 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: thank you for kind of creating this this path. You know, 176 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: it's funny you say that I'm not very good about 177 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: talking about myself. If when I played sports, I was 178 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: one of those guys that just showed up and you 179 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 1: know played, you know I didn't. It wasn't a look 180 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: at me thing. But no, that that does happen. You know, 181 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 1: people come to me and say you're the og. You know, 182 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: you know, and and you know in some ways I 183 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: appreciate that. Look the reality is. And Peter King actually 184 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:31,599 Speaker 1: came up to me a few years ago as the 185 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:33,839 Speaker 1: year before the pandemic, we were both at Eagles training 186 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: camp on the same day, and he said, you know, 187 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: basically said, do you realize that you started an entire 188 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: industry and an entire genre? And you know, I don't. 189 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: I don't think of it that way. But you know, 190 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: we started with the Matchup show in the mid eighties 191 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: and it's been on every year since. And obviously at 192 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: that time people said, oh, no, one's going to care 193 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: about football like that. And fortunately, thanks to Steve Sable, 194 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: who was my mentor and my boss, you know, we 195 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: just kept doing it and doing it and doing it. 196 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:00,199 Speaker 1: And I'm sure if I look back at some those 197 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: early shows, I'd probably have a combination of cringing and laughing, 198 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: you know. But but you know, we were fortunately able 199 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: to stay with it, and it's grown and grown and 200 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: grown and now but fans want this. This is what 201 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: people crave because you're can look at you can grab 202 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: your phone and find stats now. You know, obviously thirty 203 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 1: years ago you couldn't do that because phones didn't exist. 204 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 1: But now you can find any stat you want in 205 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: a heartbeat, but you still can't see breakdowns of footage. 206 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: And more and more people are doing it. Obviously, as 207 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: in any industry, some do it better than others. But yeah, 208 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:34,719 Speaker 1: I guess maybe I did start something. You know, I 209 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: don't like I said. I don't wake up every morning 210 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: and say, man, I started something and that's great. I 211 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 1: just go do my job. But you know, when people 212 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: bring it to my attention, as you just did, I 213 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 1: guess that's probably true because we start the first year 214 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: of the Matchup show is nineteen eighty four, first and 215 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: still the best in my opinion. Let's hit on some 216 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: Bengals topics. The biggest offseason story in Cincinnati is Joe 217 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: Burrows contract. He's likely to make more than fifty million 218 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: dollars a year when they get this. How much does 219 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: that change roster construction for Cincinnati? Well, I think it 220 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: always changes it a little bit. We know that the 221 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: salary cap has gone up significantly. It doesn't appear as 222 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: if it would be going down at anytime soon based 223 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: on the popularity of the NFL, which is good for 224 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: all of us. But then you do have some decisions 225 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: to make. Obviously, Joe Burrow is going to get signed 226 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: and more than likely he's going to get signed and 227 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: maybe more than any other quarterback has been signed for 228 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: And you know what, that's just the way it is. 229 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: You're not letting him walk. You're not trying to get 230 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: into a contentious relationship with Joe Burrow and his agents. 231 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: He's a great, great quarterback. I mean, I remember that 232 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: was the you know, the year I gave you my 233 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: report on Joe Burrow, and you know pretty much played 234 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: out that way. And you know, it's fascinating just talking 235 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,719 Speaker 1: about Burrow and other quarterbacks in the draft. And I 236 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: don't know if you if you and I have had 237 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: this conversation before, but you know, now we hear so 238 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: many draft analysts say, well, he's got great traits, and 239 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 1: they say that about a player because he can throw 240 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: it hard and run fast. And to me, that's not 241 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: what makes that. Those are not great quarterback traits. I 242 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 1: look at Joe Burrow, and I'm sure if you went 243 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 1: back and looked at my report, you'd see what I 244 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: did other than being a power thrower. To me, Joe 245 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: Burrow has quarterback traits because quarterback to me, and like 246 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 1: I said, I was fortunate to learn from the Bill 247 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:19,559 Speaker 1: Walsters of the world. Quarterback to me is a refined, nuanced, subtle, 248 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: discipline craft position. It's not who can throw at the 249 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: hardest and who can run the fastest. Look, if you 250 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 1: really have all those subtle and refined traits and you've 251 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: got a big arm, that's great. And in fact, i'll 252 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: give you a great example of a guy you'll remember 253 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: very well because it's Incinnati. Carson Palmer was like that. 254 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: He had the subtle traits, but he also had the 255 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: big arm. Troy Aikman was like that, there's not many 256 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: guys who have who are power throwers and have refined traits. 257 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow has all the refined traits you want, both 258 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: physically and mentally. The only thing he's probably lacking, but 259 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: it's not a major lack, would be a power arm. 260 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 1: But that, to me, he has quarterback traits, you know, 261 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: And that's to me the reason he's such a great 262 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: great player. He sees things, you know. Burrow really plays 263 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: the game before the snap of the ball, and I 264 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: think you have to reach that point. Can you be 265 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: a great quarterback without doing that to some degree? Like, 266 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: for instance, I think Josh Allen is still learning that 267 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: to some degree, but he's so physically gifted that he 268 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 1: can do things other guys can't. Joe Burrow sees the 269 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: game before the snap of the ball and he just 270 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: validates and confirms, and that's why he can play with 271 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: such a refined sense of timing and rhythm. The ball 272 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: comes out, he knows where to go. He's not figuring 273 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: out the defense on his drop. He sees it. He 274 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: knows it. And you know this, you know probably better 275 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: than I do. You're around him, but you know, watching tape, 276 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: that's to me. Those are high, high level quarterback traits. 277 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: Is there anything about Burrow that's even better than you 278 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: thought it would be? You know, I would probably say no, 279 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: and and not that him smarter than anybody else, But 280 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: I just thought Burrow was one of those guys that 281 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,839 Speaker 1: really like Even the next year when Trevor Lawrence came 282 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 1: out and people talked about him as a generational quarterback, 283 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: I thought Joe Burrow coming out was a better prospect 284 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: than Trevor Lawrence. And actually I spoken to some coaches 285 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: who agree as well. So no, Burrow is Burrow is 286 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: no surprise to me. Maybe the only thing, but it's 287 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: not really a surprise is his ability to make some 288 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: plays with his legs. I knew he had really good 289 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: pocket movement, but we've seen him when it's third and seven. 290 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: He can run for nine and get a first down, 291 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: no problem. You know he's not going to run for 292 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: thirty five. You know, he's not Mahomes in that sense, 293 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: but he does have a feel for Hey, when when 294 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: I have to get nine when it's third and seven 295 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: or third and eight. So Duke Tobin made news early 296 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: this week, at least in Cincinnati, when he squashed rumors 297 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: that the Bengals were considering peddling T Higgins because of, 298 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: you know, his contract situation. What do you think of T? 299 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: I really like T Higgins. I loved him when he 300 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: came out of Clemson. You know, it's so funny. We 301 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: get caught up again with receivers in forty times, and 302 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: I think he ran a four or five seven or 303 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: four or five eight, But he's sixty three two sixteen 304 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: and one thing I learned. There's another thing I had 305 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: to learn over the years is tall receivers. Stride length 306 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: is a trait. Okay, you know when I first started 307 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: with tall receivers, i'd watched him and say, oh, they 308 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: don't look that fast. They're they're not going to be 309 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: a vertical dimension. And I ended up being wrong on guys, 310 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: and t Higgins is like that. He's not a burner, 311 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: but those strides allow him to be a vertical dimension. 312 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: Plus then you have the body control in the hands aspect, 313 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: and his ability to high point the ball. So even 314 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: though he may not run by corners in a strict sense, 315 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: he is a vertical dimension in addition to being very 316 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: good on the immediate routes catching the ball in those inbreakers. 317 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: I think te Higgins and you know, I hate to 318 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: categorize guys, Oh he's a one, he's a two, But 319 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: I think te Higgins on another team would be considered Obviously, 320 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: Jamar Chase is a true alpha, and there's no alpha's 321 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: in this draft, by the way, at wide receiver, No 322 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: Jamar Chases. But Jamar Chase is a true alpha. So 323 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: Higgins sort of. I don't want to say play second fiddle. 324 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: I'm sure he doesn't in the Cincinnati offense, but he's 325 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: not considered that because of Chase. But I think if 326 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: he wore with another team, and I'm hoping he's not 327 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure Cincinnati fans are hoping the same, 328 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: but I think if he was with another team, he 329 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: would be in number one. But I always liked him. 330 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: I really liked him coming out, and I think we've seen, 331 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: you know, what he can do, and since the look, 332 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: he's puts up a thousand yards as although I remember, 333 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: you know, I remember doing his study last summer, and 334 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember specifically. I watched both Chase and 335 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: Higgins separately, and if I'm not mistaken, I can't remember 336 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: whether it was first down or third down, but the 337 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: East had the equal number of targets on a particular down, 338 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: so that you know they throw it to t It's 339 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: not like it's Chase and everybody else. You know, Higgins 340 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: is a major part of what they do in the offense, well, 341 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: especially considering what defenses due to try to take away Chase. Yeah, 342 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: they are clearly times watching tape where you see defenses 343 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: bracket Chase. Sometimes they even Brackett both. I remember this 344 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: was two years ago. You may remember the play. It 345 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: just popped into my head against Baltimore, and I think 346 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,159 Speaker 1: Higgins caught about a forty five fifty yard on a 347 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: vertical route where the Ravens actually doubled all three wide 348 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: outs to happen to remember a triple double? Yeah, do 349 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: you remember the play? And Burrow threw it to Higgins 350 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,199 Speaker 1: on a vertical route on the left side, and it 351 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,679 Speaker 1: went for about forty five fifty yards and Higgins went 352 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: up and got it between two guys. You know. So 353 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: there was a case where Baltimore doubled all three wide receivers. Right. 354 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 1: The Bengals jokingly refer to that as the triple double. 355 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 1: It's a basketball term, but it definitely applied to the 356 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: defense there. Let's talk tight ends. The Bengals top three 357 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: tight ends, Hayden Hurst, Drew Sample, Mitch Wilcox are all 358 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 1: free agents. Somebody's going to be back, but in any case, 359 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: but it's not going to be a big money thing. 360 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: It's not a tight end you're going to say, is they? 361 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: So I'm sure they're looking for a tight end in 362 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: this draft. There are some good ones. I haven't done 363 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: enough work yet, but I've done Kincaid, who is not 364 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: going to work out at the combine I saw, but 365 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: he's really a good receiver. He's one of those maybe 366 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: new breed type tight ends. He's more of a detached player, 367 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: but he's really athletic. I don't want to sit here, 368 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: and says Travis Kelcey. But he can be deployed in 369 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 1: the same way, meaning that you can detach him from 370 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 1: the formation. He can be your boundary X on the 371 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: backside of trips. He can be deployed in a very 372 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 1: similar manner. He's got great hands, he's a really good athlete, 373 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 1: and he gives you run after catch. I guess it 374 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: all depends on, you know, what the Bengals value. You know, 375 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 1: obviously they draft later in the first round. I'm not 376 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: good at saying where guys will go. Could Kincaid be there, sure? 377 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:51,439 Speaker 1: And maybe not, you know, but there are others, you know. 378 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: Like I said, I haven't done them yet, so I 379 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: can't speak to their specific trades. But I've been told 380 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 1: Musgrave is a really good prospect. I'm trying to think 381 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: of some of the other Michael Mayer. Michael Mayer, I've 382 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 1: done him. I have done him. To me, Mayor is 383 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: just a really solid tight end, really good hands, catches everything. 384 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: Not as explosive as Kincaid. I think Mayor is just 385 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 1: one of those guys that would be a solid NFL 386 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,479 Speaker 1: tight end like I wouldn't if you wanted to. Obviously 387 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 1: we always talk about Kelsey, but like I don't think 388 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 1: may Or for instances as athletic and as good receiver, 389 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: someone like Dallas Goddard. You know, I don't think he's 390 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: quite that guy, but I think he'd be a really 391 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: solid every down tight end. It's great to have a 392 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: great tight end. The Bengals obviously would like to. But 393 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 1: how important is tight end in that offense? Well, the 394 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 1: way they run it now, and they're as you know, 395 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: they're a heavy eleven personnel offense. I mean, I just 396 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: so people understand that means three wide receivers. I think, 397 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, they probably played out of eleven 398 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 1: personnel eighty five percent or more of their offensive snaps. 399 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: So that's who they are. So the tight end, the 400 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: way they play now, assuming all three receivers are still there, 401 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 1: he's really much more of a complimentary piece. So they 402 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: may not feel they need a tight end early. You know, 403 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 1: maybe they feel there's a third or fourth round player 404 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 1: here that they could get because the tight end in 405 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: this offense. Look, even someone like Hayden Hurst, and I 406 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: know he made a couple of big catches. He actually 407 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,239 Speaker 1: made a couple of big catches in the playoff win 408 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 1: in Buffalo. But you know, and as you said, he's 409 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: a free agent, but you know, he's really that position. 410 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 1: The way they've played Underburrow the last two years has 411 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: not really been critical. Now, the year before, Uzama didn't 412 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: make a ton of important catches and they did go 413 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: to him at times, but the tight end's not been 414 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: a volume target for them the last two years, and 415 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: hard to imagine it would be as long as those 416 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 1: three wide receivers stay healthy. So Hayden Hurst is the 417 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 1: only starter on offense who is a free agent. They've 418 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,479 Speaker 1: got several on defense. Jesse Bates. I think everybody assumes 419 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:54,719 Speaker 1: he's going to sign elsewhere, Von Bell, Jermaine Pratt, Eli Apple, 420 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: because there's somebody on that list that you think, man, 421 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: they really should try to keep that guy. Well, let's 422 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: put Bates aside, because I think it's pretty evident he's 423 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:06,919 Speaker 1: probably gonna get a big number. And you know, I mean, 424 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 1: you would know better, but from what we've spoken about, 425 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: you feel like he's probably gonna be gone. So let's 426 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: leave him out for the moment. And he's a very 427 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: good player. The guy who intrigues me the most and 428 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 1: I'm curious to see I don't think Dell sign him. 429 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 1: Who knows is Jermaine Pratt because obviously Logan Wilson deservedly 430 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: so gets most of the attentional linebacker, really complete player, 431 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: plays every down. You know, one of those guys. You know, 432 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: he's not Fred Warner, but he's one of those three 433 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 1: down complete linebackers. I think Pratt's been a really solid 434 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 1: player in the last couple of years. You know, almost 435 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 1: one of those guys you don't think about a lot 436 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: because of Wilson, but just a really solid, important piece 437 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 1: of that defense. And if he had to be replaced, 438 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: whether it's with a draft pick or a free agent signing, 439 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: because I don't think they would view Davis Gaither as 440 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 1: the guy to or replace Pratt. He's just not big enough, 441 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:00,120 Speaker 1: and you know he's not that guy. I think that 442 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 1: that's I don't want to say, boy, it's a loss 443 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 1: in their defense will drop because I think lou and 444 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: Aramo does just a ridiculously good job and has finally 445 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: started to get the credit he deserves. But I think 446 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 1: Pratt's an important piece to that defense and I don't 447 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: think he's going to be easy to replace if he's 448 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: not there. So Low got head coaching interview, didn't get 449 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: the job. Brian Callahan got two head coaching interviews, didn't 450 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: get either job. The benefit for Cincinnati is they've had 451 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: incredible continuity during the Zach Taylor era. This will be 452 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: the fifth straight year with offensive, defensive, and special teams 453 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: coordinators back. How significant is that? Is that extremely advantageous 454 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 1: in your opinion for Cincinnati? I think it's so much 455 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 1: more advantageous than people think, because I think continuity with 456 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,959 Speaker 1: a coaching staff and being able to build on the 457 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: concepts that everybody now understands and then has a clear foundation, 458 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,679 Speaker 1: is absolutely critical. I mean I speak to many coaches, 459 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: as you know, and they will tell you, particularly, let's 460 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: say on offense, that it really takes. And Burrow is 461 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:09,199 Speaker 1: obviously super smart, but it still takes three four years 462 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 1: for a quarterback to fully understand and execute hit both 463 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: his offense and understand all the defenses in the league. 464 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: You know it. You can obviously line up and play 465 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: without that high level understanding, but then when you get it, 466 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 1: you know, everything changes. It's and I bet if you 467 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: speak to a quarterback and you have I know, over 468 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 1: the years, they'll tell you the same thing that all 469 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: of a sudden, it's different, you know. And Burrow's just 470 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: he's a computer chip, so for him it probably happens sooner. 471 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: But still I think if he's being on, it's still 472 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: tell you that the more experience he gets in the 473 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 1: same system, it's just everything is cleaner. You know. You 474 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: hear the phrase in all sports that the game slows down. 475 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: It's a cliche, but it's a true cliche, and I 476 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: bet for Burrow it's very much like that, and all 477 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 1: of a sudden if you have to change systems. I've 478 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,199 Speaker 1: had coaches telling me changing systems. It's like, hey, if 479 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 1: you spent three years in French class, Okay, you're learning 480 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: every nuance of the language of French, and then all 481 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: of a sudden that's gone and someone comes in and says, okay, 482 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 1: now we have to learn German. You know. It's not 483 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,360 Speaker 1: so easy, you know, And that's what it's like. So 484 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 1: if you can stay in the same system and keep building, 485 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: I think I'm not sure if people realize how truly 486 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 1: advantageous that is. I was an exchange student in Spain 487 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: many years ago. Now I can only count to eight, 488 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 1: which my retention of foreign languages. So the Bengals were 489 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,120 Speaker 1: a couple of minutes away from winning the Super Bowl 490 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: two years ago. They were tied with two minutes to 491 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: go in the AFC Championship Game last year. So obviously 492 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 1: they're close. It's a super Bowl caliber roster. What's missing? 493 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,360 Speaker 1: What do you think they need to improve to get 494 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: over the top and win a Lombardi Trophy. Yeah, that's 495 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,239 Speaker 1: a hard question because when you're that close, you know, 496 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: it's not like to me, and maybe I'm wrong, but 497 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 1: it's not as if you're missing something. You know. It's 498 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: not as if, oh my god, they lost because they 499 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: just don't have the you know. I mean, you know, 500 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: obviously they lost on that final drive against the Rams. 501 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 1: You know what you're gonna say, You're gonna say, Okay, 502 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: their defense stinks. I mean, obviously it doesn't, you know, 503 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,159 Speaker 1: and then the game against the Chiefs. You know, I 504 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: don't I don't know what to say they. I mean, 505 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 1: these games are super competitive, highly highly closed games. You know, 506 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,199 Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything to say. I mean, I 507 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: think offensively, I do think they still need to continue 508 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: to upgrade their all line. Quite honestly, I think they 509 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: probably needs to draft some players. Maybe they'll bring in 510 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 1: a free agent, you know, for as a compete guy. 511 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: But I do think the on line needs to continue 512 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 1: to get better. Whether it's with the same players improving 513 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: or different players. That's for the coaching staff in the 514 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 1: organization to figure out. You know. On the defensive side, 515 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: they're going to lose some pieces, you know. I hope 516 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,640 Speaker 1: they can find a way to keep one of the safeties. 517 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 1: Maybe Bell is the more likely choice because he's certainly 518 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 1: not going to get the number I think Jessee Bates 519 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: is going to get. But in today's NFL to start 520 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,880 Speaker 1: over with two safeties, I think it's hard so and Bell. 521 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 1: To me, I don't know Von Bell at all, but 522 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: he strikes me as a savvy, smart player who can 523 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: do a number of things. That's just watching tape. That's 524 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 1: the way I feel like, you know, because he's not 525 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: a superior athlete. You don't look at him ago why 526 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: there's a special athlete. But he's just one of those 527 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: guys that to me seems like he knows how to 528 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 1: play the game and can probably be tasked with doing 529 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,199 Speaker 1: a lot of different things. You know, you would know 530 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: better than an effect description. Okay, that's what the film 531 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,719 Speaker 1: shows to me. So you'd hope that they could at 532 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: least sign him. He certainly he won't go under the 533 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 1: same number as Bates, because, like I said, if you 534 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: start over with two safeties, that's that's a big deal 535 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: that that could pose some issues throughout the early part 536 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: of the season. Final thing for Greg Cosell. Does the 537 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: Combine amaze you what this thing has become? Well, it's 538 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: funny you say that, because I actually produced the first 539 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 1: combine for NFL Films and um and I guess the network, 540 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: and because at that time, the Combine was still totally secretive, 541 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: you know. And I'll be the first to admit I 542 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 1: did a horrible job because I didn't know how to 543 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: do it. Because it was totally secretive. They wouldn't even 544 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: let us shoot anything until after the events were over, 545 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: and then we had a set up a set on 546 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: the field at eight o'clock at night, you know, So 547 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,199 Speaker 1: it was it was really it was hard to do 548 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: and I did it poorly, and I was told about 549 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: it by my bosses. But so now everything is kind 550 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,919 Speaker 1: of an open book. But I kind of love. You 551 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 1: know the thing too, that's so impressive. It's just the 552 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 1: athletes and not just their physical performance, but listening to 553 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 1: all these guys speak at the podium, it's I find 554 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: that really good. All these guys are so much much 555 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: more poised, they speak well, they're whether they're coached or 556 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 1: not irrelevant. You know, it's good that they're coach then 557 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 1: you know, to be the best they can be. But 558 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: these kids are so savvy, so much smarter. They're really 559 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: enjoyed to listen to um. You know. I think that's 560 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,439 Speaker 1: really advanced. That's probably one of the positives of social media. 561 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 1: You know, these kids are out there more at a 562 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: young age, and I think they become more aware and 563 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,439 Speaker 1: more savvy. I'm sure my listeners are saying, don't let 564 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 1: them go, don't let them go, keep going, go for 565 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:13,880 Speaker 1: another half an hour, but I am going to let 566 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,679 Speaker 1: you go. It's always a treat to run into you 567 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: in Indianapolis, and anytime I have the opportunity to interview you, 568 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 1: it is great. Thank you so much for your time. Dan, 569 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,199 Speaker 1: always a pleasure anytime. Thank you. As I mentioned in 570 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: that interview, Greg has shared quite a few of his 571 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,439 Speaker 1: pre draft scouting reports with me over the years, and 572 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,679 Speaker 1: for the fun of it, I went back and looked 573 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: at what he wrote about Jackson Carmen before the draft 574 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. Here goes Carmen, no doubt 575 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: will be seen by some as a guard at the 576 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 1: next level, but I believe he projects as a starting 577 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: tackle in the NFL. There is no question that Carmen 578 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: must be team and scheme specific, and he will at 579 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: times struggle on vertical sets with speed off the edge, 580 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: but he can line up and play tackle in the 581 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 1: NFL and be a quality starter. End of quote. Jackson 582 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 1: certainly appeared more comfortable at tackle in the playoffs last 583 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: year than he did at guard the year before. With L. L. 584 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: Collins coming back from his torn ACL, perhaps Greg co 585 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: Sell's pre draft scouting report will prove accurate and Jackson 586 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: Carmen will be a quality starter at right tackle. The 587 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: Bengals Booth podcast is brought to you by Paycorps. More 588 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 1: than twenty nine thousand customers trust paycor to help them recruit, 589 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: pay engage, and retain employees. Learn more at paycorp dot 590 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: com and by Bengals Picks and Ultimate Bengals. They're free 591 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 1: to play with tickets and signed merchandise up for grabs. 592 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: Find both inside the Bengals app. Now time for our 593 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: second edition of the three round mock draft with an 594 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 1: NFL expert. Here's the concept. When I attended the NFL 595 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: Combine last week, I had the Pro Football Focus mock 596 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 1: Draft simulator set up on my laptop and I I 597 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: did several NFL experts to make the Bengals picks in 598 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 1: the first three rounds while discussing their options. If you've 599 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: never tried a draft simulator before, it allows you to 600 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: play Bengals GM for as many rounds of the draft 601 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: as you want. The simulator begins making picks in order, 602 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: and then when it's your turn, you will get trade 603 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: proposals and decide whether you want a wheel and deal 604 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: or go ahead and pick. It's a good way to 605 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 1: get to know the players who are likely to be 606 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: available when the Bengals are on the clock in late April. 607 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 1: On my last podcast, Dane Brugler from The Athletic chose 608 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: Maryland cornerback Deante Banks in the first round, Northwestern defensive 609 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 1: lineman at A Tommy wa At a bare in the second. 610 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: In Iowa tight end Sam Laporta in the third. He 611 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 1: received an A minus grade from Pro Football Focus. This 612 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: week's expert is Pete Prisco from CBS Sports. We are 613 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 1: doing a mock simulator now with Pete Prisco from CBS Sports, 614 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: where you're going to select the Bengals first three picks. 615 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: These are picks twenty eight, sixty and ninety two. I 616 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: am about to hit start draft and the PF mock 617 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: Draft simulator is quickly racing through the first twenty seven picks, 618 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 1: and here we go. All right. The guys just selected 619 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: Pete include Elijah Cansey, the defensive lineman from pitt who 620 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 1: ran the unbelievable forty time wide receiver Jalen Hyatt from Tennessee, 621 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: Nolan Smith, another guy who knocked it out of the 622 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 1: park at the combine, offensive lineman o Cyrus Torrence Jordan Addison, 623 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: the wide receiver from USC. So those were the previous 624 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 1: five picks. Are you ready to see what's left on 625 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: the board. I want to see what's left on the 626 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: board because I don't necessarily agree with a lot of 627 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: those guys right there. So let's see Deontay Banks, Andre Carter, Dalton, Kincaid, Tanner, McGee, 628 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: they're not going to take a quarterback, offensive lineman Anton Harrison, edge, 629 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: Will McDonald, Antonio Johnson safety from Texas, tight end Luke 630 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 1: Musgrave from Ohio or from Oregon State, Mazzie Smith defensive 631 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 1: lineman from Michigan, Bjochalari from LSU. Anybody intrigue, Yeah, yeah, 632 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: I mean, with the her situation being what it is, 633 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: I think they need to get a tight end. So 634 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,959 Speaker 1: let me go back up and based on their I 635 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 1: know I would probably take Dalton Kincaid in that spot. 636 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 1: It's probably a little high, but I get it. I 637 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 1: understand they need a tight end, so I'm gonna take 638 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 1: Dalton kincame. All right. So Pete Prisco, with a twenty 639 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 1: eighth pick, has selected Utah tight end Dalton Kincaid. Some 640 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 1: people have compared him to Travis Kelsey, not that good, 641 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: but in terms of the things that he does well, 642 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 1: he's got the ability to catch the football. I mean, 643 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 1: he's going to add another another pass catcher to a 644 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: team that has a ton of pass catchers. But I think, 645 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: you know, with what Hurst, I thought Hurst did some 646 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: good things last or particularly in the season, so I 647 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 1: think it makes sense to get another tight end in 648 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 1: a deep tight end draft. Dalton Kincaid is considered by 649 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 1: many of the draft gurus to be the best receiver. 650 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: He had seventy catches for eight hundred ninety yards and 651 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: eight touchdowns at Utah last year. Kincaid did not work 652 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 1: out at the Combine because of a small fracture in 653 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 1: his back that he suffered late in the season, but 654 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 1: his injury did not require surgery. In their latest mock drafts, 655 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: mel Kiper and Todd McShay from ESPN and Dane Brugler 656 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: from The Athletic All Half. Kincaid, going to the Dallas Cowboys, 657 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: had picked number twenty six, two spots before the Bengals 658 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 1: select Chrisco got an a minus in round one for 659 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 1: that pick. Time to find out who Pete selected next. 660 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 1: All right, we are now in the second round, pick 661 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 1: number sixty. You can take a look at some of 662 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 1: the guys that were just selected. Dwan Jones, the Mammoth 663 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: offensive lineman from Ohio State, went two picks before, so 664 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: I would have considered him in that spot because I 665 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 1: think he's a big, menacing right tackle, and I think 666 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 1: he'd be good for their team. He's certainly big at 667 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 1: three eighty yeah, he's and look, both tackles at Ohio 668 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 1: State are good players, but he's probably a second rounder. 669 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 1: I get it, all right. So now we are looking 670 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,239 Speaker 1: at the pool of guys that are still available. If 671 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 1: you want me to look at any sort of position, 672 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 1: let me know. But we are scrolling down some of 673 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 1: these names. Andre Carter, Tank Dell wide receiver, special teamer 674 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 1: from Houston, Dayon Henley linebacker from Washington State, Josh Downs, 675 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 1: wide receiver from North Carolina. I'll tell you what I think, 676 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,840 Speaker 1: you know, with the Pratt situation being what it is, 677 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna go up to the top and 678 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 1: take the linebacker out of Washington State. I think he's 679 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 1: a really good player, a nice run and chase linebacker 680 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,280 Speaker 1: who adds some speed to the defense. And you're losing 681 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,240 Speaker 1: you know, you're probably gonna lose him. I mean, Pratt's 682 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 1: a good player and had a couple of good years 683 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,399 Speaker 1: and he could run. So I think I'll take Henley. 684 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 1: Dayon Henley is a speedy sideline to sideline linebacker who 685 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:48,280 Speaker 1: starred last season for Washington State after spending the previous 686 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 1: five years at Nevada. The former high school quarterback would 687 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 1: be a candidate to replace Jermaine Pratt if Pratt leaves 688 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,879 Speaker 1: in free agency. Pro Football Focus has Henley ranked third 689 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 1: seventh on their top one hundred and gave chrisco an 690 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 1: a for selecting him with the sixtieth overall pick. Now 691 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 1: let's get to Pete's third and final pick, and now 692 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 1: the mock simulators racing through round three to get to 693 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,279 Speaker 1: pick number ninety two, and you are now on the clock. 694 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:20,799 Speaker 1: By the way, it really pains me not to have 695 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 1: an offensive lineman picked in this group so far. So 696 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna look for one of those guys here if 697 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 1: I can. In the third round, if you can call 698 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,840 Speaker 1: up the offensive linemen are available, I'll pick one of 699 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: those guys. All right, absolutely, So we are now filtering 700 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,399 Speaker 1: positions and looking for offensive line You want to start 701 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: with tackles. So the pool includes Blake Freeland from BYU, 702 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 1: Louke Taggart from Indiana, Connor Gelvin from Baylor, Braden Daniels 703 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 1: from Utah, Carter Warren from pitt Brian Hayes from Michigan, 704 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,760 Speaker 1: as Seem Richards from North Carolina, Trevor Reid from A Louisville. 705 00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:01,399 Speaker 1: Let's go to the guards. All right, none of those names. 706 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 1: Freeland's intriguing. But in that scenario, you have a youngest 707 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 1: left tackle. I know John Williams wasn't great last year, 708 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 1: but he's he's a younger player. So interior offensive line 709 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 1: here we go. Okay, don't love worhees Um. I don't 710 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 1: love those two guys. Not in that third round for 711 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 1: those players. How about let's let's go back to the tackles, 712 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 1: because I think Freeland is an interesting guy. He's a 713 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,799 Speaker 1: left tackle. He's a massive, massive guy. I mean he's 714 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 1: big um, you know, held up well at BYU, and 715 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 1: you can never have, particularly this team has learned in 716 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 1: the last couple of years, you can never have enough 717 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,880 Speaker 1: offensive lineman. I think you draft a good one in 718 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 1: that spot and figure it out from there. So I'll 719 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,799 Speaker 1: take I'll take Freeland. Blake Freeland from b YU is 720 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,759 Speaker 1: Pete Prisco's third round pick, number ninety overall, and now 721 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,520 Speaker 1: we're about to get your draft. I don't think they 722 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,959 Speaker 1: like my grade. I bet they don't like my grade. 723 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 1: PFF never likes anything I do. Before we get to 724 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 1: the grade, here's the skinny on BYU offensive tackled Blake Freeland. 725 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 1: He's six eight, three hundred two pounds and opened eyes 726 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,399 Speaker 1: at the combine by running the third fastest forty yard 727 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:14,799 Speaker 1: dash of any offensive lineman and setting a new combine 728 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 1: record for his position by posting a thirty seven inch 729 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:22,919 Speaker 1: vertical leap that's better than what wide receivers A. J. Brown, 730 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:27,440 Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins, and Stefan Diggs did at their combines. And again, 731 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:32,320 Speaker 1: Freeland ways three hundred two pounds. Blake was a captain 732 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 1: and a four year starter at BYU who played quarterback 733 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 1: in tight end in high school. Now time to find 734 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:43,879 Speaker 1: out Pete Prisco's grade for selecting Freeland in round three. 735 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,400 Speaker 1: Not too bad. Good first and second pick. Plus on 736 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:51,919 Speaker 1: the Blake Freeland pick, Why what's the explanation on it? Well, 737 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 1: they have him one forty two on their big board 738 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,799 Speaker 1: and you selected of ninety two, so it would be 739 00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: a value situation. I went, I went to go get 740 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 1: an offensive one, and I didn't. I'll be honest with you. 741 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,880 Speaker 1: You heard me. I had a trouble with the offensive 742 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 1: tackles and the guards. It's not in that spot. I 743 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,719 Speaker 1: didn't love them, but I I like my first two 744 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,719 Speaker 1: picks a lot. They're overall grade to B B yeah, 745 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,040 Speaker 1: I don't love Freeland, but in that spot, I went 746 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,120 Speaker 1: for the best offensive tackle. I appreciate you doing this. 747 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,560 Speaker 1: You gotta be nothing wrong with a B no, but 748 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 1: I'm an a student that's based on PFF bad grades. 749 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,759 Speaker 1: Blake Freeland's a better pick than that. Guys. I bet 750 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,719 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow be happy you drafted an offensive lineman. I mean, 751 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,400 Speaker 1: how many years in a row? Now it is two 752 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 1: years in a row, and the line was okay until 753 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,120 Speaker 1: they had all the injuries. But it just shows you 754 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 1: how fragile that position is. You got to have offensive lineman, 755 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 1: and with ll Collins coming back from a torn acl 756 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 1: go no for sure if he'll be ready for the 757 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,800 Speaker 1: start of the season. Adding a top three round offensive 758 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 1: lineman is smart football. Yeah. I mean, look, Carmen showed 759 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,279 Speaker 1: he could play tackle, and he would look much more 760 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,720 Speaker 1: comfortable playing tackle, so that makes sense. You could shift 761 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:57,360 Speaker 1: him over there and play him on the right side, 762 00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,160 Speaker 1: and that will alleviate some of the problems. But you 763 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 1: still have guys get hurt and you worry about it. 764 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,960 Speaker 1: So you get a young not like Jonah Williams was 765 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 1: Anthony Munios at left tackle last year either, By the way, 766 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,920 Speaker 1: sorry Jonah, you're a good sport. Pete. I appreciate you 767 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,359 Speaker 1: doing this. Thank you, you got it, no problem. Or 768 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,560 Speaker 1: NFL expert mock drafts still to look forward to in 769 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,920 Speaker 1: the weeks to come. 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