1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,560 Speaker 1: One play, I think I try to punch him in 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: the nuts play and I think I think, okay, be honest, honest, honestly, 3 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: I just I'm just want to make sure the league 4 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: doesn't have to go and you go back in there 5 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: find me. I punsed him in the nuts. But as 6 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: I do that, the pile starts piling up on top 7 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 1: of me and in my hands. So two players like, 8 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: oh really, and then he starts giving me the business 9 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 1: and I. 10 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,919 Speaker 2: Head like this whole time, like man. 11 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 1: And thank god, I didn't know who saved me. Thank 12 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 1: god somebody just comes out like Superman and just hits 13 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: him off me. 14 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:52,160 Speaker 2: No, I'm still under the pile. 15 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: I'm still under the pile, so I can't even help 16 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: be nut because people are still on top of me. 17 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: Whoever I had me trapped, I'm trapped. So that's the story. Peanut. 18 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 2: Thank you. 19 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: I don't think I ever thank you for. 20 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 2: Them, sir. You did not any on camera, so I 21 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 2: appreciate you. 22 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: Please hope you don't like have video footage of this, 23 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: But I was trapped and you saved me, and that 24 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: and that's what happened. 25 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:26,759 Speaker 2: So thank you. What's up? Joab Peanut Tooman and this 26 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 2: is the NFL Player's Second Acts podcast and with me 27 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 2: as always as my trustee co host Roman. I'm Roman Heart. 28 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 2: I'm filling his little outfit to day. Bruh, what are 29 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 2: his little pineapples? They're not pineapples at all. But I 30 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 2: appreciate that. It is actually President's Cup shirt I got 31 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 2: from when I was in Charlotte when the President's Cup 32 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 2: is there. So tell us who our guest is. As 33 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 2: a former teammate of yours, it's a former team know 34 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: each other very well. Eleven year vet, two thousand and 35 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 2: three pro bowler. He is the head of sports and 36 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 2: Entertainment at UBS Financial Services. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome 37 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 2: to the pot. Wow, I did that? What he did? 38 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 1: I've known him now for a long time, so I 39 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: would have been a little hurt if he didn't get 40 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 1: it right. 41 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 2: And every day we had everything it just says. I 42 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 2: was just like, no, you gotta pronounce like get that man. 43 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: Is we give my my name gives people stress, It 44 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: does the heart palpitations, and we'll go over so many times. 45 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: Just just be confident it. 46 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 2: Man, what's the worst pronunciations you've pronunciation you've ever heard? 47 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: Still people say out of is okay, but it's a 48 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: goon delay, Like where is the d in them? My 49 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: last is a goon delay? And still to this day 50 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: people get it. 51 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 2: And uh. 52 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 1: I have a lot of Italian friends in New York 53 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: City where I grew up, and a lot of them 54 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: just call me Wally. So that's still so Wally and 55 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: delay is two of my pet peeves. 56 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 2: Like, hey, hey, Wally, has anybody ever called you chuck? 57 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 2: Only my dad? I don't let anybody else call me 58 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 2: nut though, yeah, which I thought was weird when when 59 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 2: Steve Wilkes, when I first met Peanut, well he first 60 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 2: came team and he's like, man, just call him nut, 61 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 2: Like I don't like calling another dude nut. 62 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, But then eventually everybody says it so much it 63 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 1: just kind of but it fits. 64 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 2: Who he is. 65 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 1: Though he is quite crazy, he is his serious as 66 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: you though. Yeah, I'm what I need to be one. 67 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 2: I need to be it. I think when we first met, 68 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 2: I think when you came to Chicago was at four 69 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 2: for forst year. Ye when you came to Chicago. We're 70 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 2: a bunch of jokesters. Wile a very serious And what 71 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 2: I mean by that is like when you get Wally 72 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 2: stressed out, and when he gets stressed out, I can 73 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 2: only imagine if I were to talk to your wife 74 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 2: or your kids, he does this. 75 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah that or now was the she can see 76 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: the my jaws like I'm just like binding it out. 77 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: Like but yeah, with the kids, you can't be as 78 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 1: demonstrative because even my daughter, she's like she looks at 79 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: everything I do, and if I even look at her crazy, 80 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: it's like I see waterworks coming. So I'm like, man, like, 81 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: I can't be that crazy football player. 82 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 2: I gotta be. That's like my favorite thing about you, 83 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 2: Like your body language is like what are you doing 84 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 2: the full hand slap? 85 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: You don't care though, Like you you run through all 86 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: signs like yellow stop sign. You're running through it like 87 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 1: I'll give you a warning, like not I'm at my 88 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: wits end. You're running right through that like you don't care. 89 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: So that's why I enjoyed, you know, even playing with 90 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: you and the guys in the Bears, bunch of jokesters. 91 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: When I left Miami, I actually was down because our 92 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 1: locker room was really we had a really good locker room. 93 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: And I was left Miami and I got traded, but 94 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 1: then I got to Chicago and that atmosphere just was 95 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: through the roof. 96 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 2: So the best. 97 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: Uh. I know, my Miami Dolphin fans are going to 98 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: be mad and my former players are going to be 99 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: mad at I say this, But the Bear's locker room 100 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 1: was probably the best place I've ever walked through. It 101 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: was just a bunch of jokesters. But when it came 102 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: time to suit it up on Sunday, man, we uh 103 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 1: we kicked ass. 104 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 2: So it was good stuff. Do you think it was 105 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 2: the best locker room because you won more like like 106 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 2: because that usually matters ultimately, because you had some great 107 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 2: years in Miami as well. 108 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I think. Ultimately in Miami I 109 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: was still I was like the young pup I had. 110 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: I was grinding. I had something to prove. So it 111 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: was a little less fun for me because I was 112 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 1: I was trying to get that big contract. I think 113 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 1: in Chicago, not only that we were winning, I had 114 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 1: money in the right. So now I'm like, I'm enjoying 115 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:03,799 Speaker 1: a little bit more, right, So. 116 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 2: Let's talk about that. So you signed the six year, 117 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 2: thirty three million dollars, which at the time was listen. 118 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 1: At the time, it was the biggest unrestricted free agent 119 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 1: contract that the NFL's ever had. Wow, so absolutely like 120 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: it was a lot of money back then. Now you're 121 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: seeing what these guys are signing now, Yeah, that's not 122 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 1: even a signing bonus anymore. 123 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,479 Speaker 2: I mean not at all. I would and I asked 124 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 2: that because Peanut, when big money shows up right to 125 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 2: Chicago now because you got they traded for him now 126 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 2: because you big money, all right, that's what That's how 127 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 2: they call it. What did Wile bring to the Bears 128 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 2: locker room that was already very jokes or you guys 129 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 2: are very much so, very great and together, especially on 130 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 2: the defense side, bringing in a more serious guy with 131 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 2: big pockets like wil A, what was that marriage like 132 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 2: when you guys all got together. He brought a pass 133 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 2: rush that we were somewhat missing. I mean, we had 134 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 2: Alex Bryant, we had a good D line, and I 135 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 2: think he made our D line better, you know. I 136 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 2: think he complimented Alex Brown lining up opposite of him, 137 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 2: and uh what he was able to do fresh off 138 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 2: of a Pro Bowl. So he he was hot, he 139 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 2: has some juice left in the tank, and we went 140 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 2: out and had some really good defenses. Early when he 141 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 2: first got there because I was coaching his first year, 142 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 2: oh four, So he got there the first year. We 143 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 2: were trying to figure out who we were as a defense, 144 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 2: trying to learn this new system, and we really were 145 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 2: the Saint Louis Bears because everything that the Rams have 146 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 2: been doing, that's literally that whole year we had only 147 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 2: watched film on the Rams. They I remember a really 148 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 2: good story. I actually saved his life. Oh my god, 149 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 2: there we go with this. Wait, wait before you go 150 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 2: into that, Before. 151 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: You go into that, because I knew you're gonna talk 152 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: about this part. Let me tell me first, tell you 153 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,119 Speaker 1: what I think. Let me say what I think I brought. 154 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: And okay, thanks before saving my life because I get 155 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: a call on this like once every three months that 156 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: Peanuts told somebody the story that he saved my life. 157 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: You're gonna want to hear about it. But I think 158 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: from a competitive standpoint, like a guy like with Alex, 159 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: like he and me like it wasn't something we've written 160 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: down or even vocalized, but there was a competitiveness that 161 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: between us, like who was going to be the better 162 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: defensive end every single practice, every single game. And I 163 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: think I brought that, and I actually probably I feel 164 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: like both of us were each other's battery in each 165 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: other's back, So that was great. And then also too, 166 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: I think for the younger guys, like knowing that I 167 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: had cornerbacks like you know, Peanut and Nate Vasher, who 168 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: if I could just do a little just a little 169 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: bit better and get them the ball out earlier, they 170 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 1: were going to make things happen. So for me, I 171 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: think ultimately I brought a steady hand, but more importantly, 172 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,959 Speaker 1: I think the competitive busness of how to play a 173 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: great defense because I had come from a defense that 174 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: we had, you know, Jason Taylor, Zach Thomas, Tim Bowen, 175 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: Patrick Surtain, Sam Madison, Brock, Marion Junior say Ah, So 176 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: I played with some future Hall of famers, and I 177 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: was able to bring what I saw, how they worked, 178 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 1: how serious they brought to they brought their game to 179 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:12,439 Speaker 1: practice every single practice and. 180 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 2: Then in the games. 181 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: And for me, adding that with the ability to lock 182 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: in when we needed to lock in, but also have 183 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:24,239 Speaker 1: fun with it, for me, I think was a great opportunity. 184 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: So when I did leave Miami, I was down a bit, 185 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: but seeing how great the city was, seeing how great 186 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:32,839 Speaker 1: I was going to be on a team that had 187 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: now future Hall of famers. Also on my defense that 188 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: we have hopefully we'll get Peanut in there one of 189 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: these days. But having a team that has future Hall 190 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 1: of Famers, young healthy individuals, and then have a head 191 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: coach that trying to prove something too, having love he 192 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: was really really great, like he knew each person's strength 193 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:55,839 Speaker 1: and one point he put us in a position to win. 194 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:57,599 Speaker 1: So for me, I was able to just kind of 195 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: bring a steady hand to what we were doing. Addition 196 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: to know they did help me kind of like calm 197 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: down a bit like that was too you know, I 198 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 1: you know, I had to stick up my butt the 199 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: whole time I was there because I felt less pressure 200 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 1: on me. And Chicago media is not it's not a 201 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:12,959 Speaker 1: great place. 202 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 2: To be agree Yeah, yeah, yeah. 203 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: If you're not, if you're not contributing, Chicago media will 204 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: jump down your throat, right, So for me, there was 205 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 1: a lot of pressure. I had that big contract you 206 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: had said earlier, I mean at more importantly my own 207 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: desire to make the mccaskey's and Lovey and who was 208 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: our GM, Jerry Angelo, just make them happy for bringing 209 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: me to Chicago so I was excited about that. 210 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 2: Do you think you always have this certain chip on 211 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 2: your shoulder when you're when you're you're undrafted, or you're 212 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 2: you know, you come from Indiana University Indiana, Like. 213 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 1: I think a chip for me starts even like further, 214 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: like one of my parents are immigrants. When that's you know, 215 00:10:54,840 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: you're behind they're trying to find the American dream. You 216 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 1: have this crazy last name that nobody can pronounce again 217 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 1: now and you still feel like an outsider every time 218 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: from the first grade. My my first grade teachers like 219 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: they can't do it, so all the way through, you know. 220 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: And I think football was actually the first time where 221 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: I was able to kind of like force people to 222 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: say my name right. Like I was actually like, no, 223 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: I'm actually a good player. What great was this? This 224 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: is probably not probably until I got to college. Like 225 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: once I started being good in college, I could tell 226 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: people like, it's not Wally, it's Wale, and it's not 227 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: you know, it's not oh goun today it's Ogunley. 228 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 229 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: So I think for me having my success was great, 230 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: but every step of the way, it was like I 231 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 1: got to make my last name. I want people to 232 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: say it the right way. I wanted to make sure 233 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 1: I make my parents, my parents proud, and I want 234 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: to continue to be successful, knowing that my parents came 235 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: all the way from Nigeria to be here, and I 236 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 1: wanted to find a way. Whether it's not because they 237 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: really wanted to be a doctor or a lawyer, but 238 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure I was going to be 239 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: successful and everything I did so that chip never leaves 240 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: even to today. And then absolually, you coming into the 241 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: NFL and you know you're getting undrafted, knowing the headwinds 242 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: that come from an undrafted free agent, the politics you 243 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: gotta fight through, having somebody drafted in your position every 244 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: single year, having coaches that probably don't believe in you 245 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: every single year. You have to prove yourself every single year. 246 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: So I went into camp every year thinking, I got 247 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:34,439 Speaker 1: to prove myself that I deserve to be on a 248 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: fifty three man roster, even when I was a starter, 249 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 1: even when I got the big contract, I got to 250 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:42,679 Speaker 1: deserve a spot on the defense, I got to earn 251 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: a starting spot, and I got to deserve or earn 252 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 1: a way to be a captain. Right, So those are 253 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 1: kind of things that I always kept that chip on 254 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,439 Speaker 1: my shoulder and I use that like every day throughout 255 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:51,719 Speaker 1: my life. 256 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:55,839 Speaker 2: Now, I definitely think it showed, uh, you was always 257 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 2: a good teammate, always a good captain. I know we 258 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 2: haven't been here since Super Bowl forty one, right, it's 259 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 2: a long long time ago, February of seven. What's one 260 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:13,559 Speaker 2: thing that you remember about that game? It's two things, 261 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 2: I think, well three things. 262 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: The first one is obviously when Devin returned the kick 263 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: to begin the game and give us a seven zero spot. 264 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: There's no way you give our defense a spot like 265 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: that and we lose the game. So there's no way 266 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: I thought we were gonna lose the game. Number two, 267 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: I think watching the Giants win the next year and 268 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: seeing that how their D line dominated Tom Brady in 269 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:41,079 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. I thought then to myself, like we 270 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: should have did more against Peyton, Like I wish I 271 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: would have gotten to them a little bit more. So 272 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 1: watching you know, you know those Super Bowls that come 273 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: after us, I just keep looking at the D line 274 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 1: play and I can't even enjoy Super Bowl today, like 275 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: because of that loss. 276 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 2: I can't do it. 277 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: And I always start to look at internally, like what 278 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 1: could we have done? As a D line to make 279 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: life a little bit more hectic for Payton. I forgot though. 280 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: We played like what seventy plays in the Super I mean, 281 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:11,199 Speaker 1: we gave that guy seventy snaps and no knock to offense. 282 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: But you know, Thomas Jones was was killing and we 283 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: made some mistakes at the end of the day, and 284 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: we still had an opportunity to win despite all of 285 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: that against the great Payton Manning. So I think about 286 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: Devin has to return that kick. I do think that 287 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I wish we would 288 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: as a D line would have done a little bit better, 289 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: just just the nature and me. And then lastly, I 290 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: have you know, at the end of that game, we 291 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: got all our equipment, and I took my equipment back 292 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: home and I still have it in my garage, and 293 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe a couple of years ago. I 294 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: opened it up and inside the bag it's like blue 295 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: and white confetti. Yeah, zip it back up again. I'm 296 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: not I want to see what's in there. I know 297 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: my pads are in there. When I saw the white 298 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: and blue confetti, I said, damn God, you don't love me, man, 299 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: I mean, geez, I mean so I went and opened 300 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: up and show my kids. But it's still in there. 301 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: So hopefully when I'm gone long time from now, they'll 302 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: open it up and see this day. Like I was, 303 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: I still have yet to watch that game all the 304 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: way through me because it is that bad. 305 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 2: I can't. I actually watched it. I was not in 306 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 2: the league. What year was that that was? 307 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: It was seven? 308 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 2: Yes, I was, so I just got it. Yeah that 309 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 2: is true, but I was. Yeah, but I watched that game. 310 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 2: I was a little key rooting for you guys, and 311 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 2: thank you. I mean, it was raining, it wasn't pretty. 312 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 2: Your offensive really just kind of been what they have 313 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 2: been the last part of the season and so like. 314 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 2: But for you personally, knowing that you started your career 315 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 2: in Miami like that had to be special for you. 316 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 2: It was, and for that ending heartbreak like that, it 317 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 2: clearly is. It's still. 318 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was rough because the locker room we used 319 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: was our home locker room. So I felt like this 320 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: is like this is going to be a perfect ending. Yes, 321 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: And we actually, me and Thomas Jones had a deal 322 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: that if we won the game, we were going to 323 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: go on Oprah that next day, right, So I wasn't 324 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: married yet, So I was like, oh, man, dude. 325 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 2: I'm about to be all of them, every last one 326 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 2: of them. 327 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: And I think because Oprah had a bet with like 328 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: David Letterman, he was a big coach fan, and I 329 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: was like, man, you know, forget Dave Letterman. I'm might 330 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: to be about to do this thing. Me and Thomas 331 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: going to be on Oprah and I'm about to have 332 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: everything I want in life. And it didn't go out 333 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: that way, so it was a bittersweet. I saw a 334 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: video of the moment when Devin returned that kick and 335 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: like the whole like neighborhoods were erupting. So I feel 336 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: like we let so many people down. And to be 337 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: honest with you, like I wanted to have what the 338 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: eighty five beers had, like when I got to Chicago. 339 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 2: When I got to Chicago, I get it. 340 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: I go to a sign I go to an autograph 341 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: signing and and you know, I'm the new kid on 342 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: the block. You know, I just got off a Pro 343 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: Bowl and nobody who was at my autograph signing and like, oh, 344 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 1: there's an eighty five beer signing line not too long, 345 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 1: not too far from me. 346 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 2: I was like, that's where everybody was. 347 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 1: So my mind is like, we got to get to 348 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: where we got our own ring, and we can have 349 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 1: our own legacy, and we can unsee if we could 350 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: the eighty five Bears, and so that's why, you know, 351 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: those guys still running around like kings of the castle. 352 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 2: So we kind of low key was just joking a 353 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 2: little bit earlier today about how the eighty five Bears 354 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 2: was probably wishing we lost that game, probably because they 355 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 2: was like, yes, it's still going. You know what, we 356 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 2: still we're still the old kids on the block. I hope, 357 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 2: you know what. I don't think that. Maybe not because 358 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 2: at the end of the. 359 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: Day, like the way I think of it is, we 360 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 1: got ours, I get jaws, like it's hopefully it's one family. 361 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 1: But but but because they are treated as gods in Chicago, 362 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: I can see that, Like you don't want to share 363 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 1: that spotlight. 364 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 2: I'm telling you, I have a former teammate of mine. 365 00:17:57,880 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna call his name out, but he knows 366 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 2: who he is. He he weighs over three hundred and 367 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:04,439 Speaker 2: something pounds. So you guys pick it out from the 368 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 2: Saints Super Bowl. We were all there at the Rams 369 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 2: Saints game in New Orleans where it looked like past inference, 370 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 2: where everybody thought it was passing inference and they didn't 371 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 2: call it. I had a guy that I was like, yes, 372 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 2: can only be one, because he's like, the moment somebody 373 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 2: else wins it, yours just doesn't have as much as 374 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 2: steam and the team is not in the upper lore 375 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 2: that it is. If you're the city that only has 376 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 2: one Super Bowl and you happen to be on that team, 377 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:36,479 Speaker 2: you kind of can just say your way forever. 378 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: That's like the seventy two Dolphins, right, I mean they're 379 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: over there popa champagne every year, every single time. 380 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 2: Still so all right, So you signed a six year 381 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 2: contract for thirty three mil lars just large amount of 382 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 2: money back in that time still today. What was one 383 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 2: of the first splurges you bought? 384 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 1: First splurges that I bought, which I'm not proud of. 385 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: I bought a baby Blue Bentley. I was hoping he 386 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 1: said that it was clean. Oh it was what God 387 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:08,439 Speaker 1: was it? It was a GT Continental Yeah. I mean 388 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: he had nobody ride with him, Nah, just me. I 389 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 1: didn't want to put tent on it. I want people 390 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: to see inside and see who it was. 391 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 2: Uh. 392 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: But the probacy, not that I not that I'm in 393 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 1: the financial world, not only the fact there was it 394 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 1: was a dumb purchase. The car costs more than the 395 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: house I was living in in Miami at the time, 396 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: and so I pulled this baby blue Bentley into a 397 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 1: garage where the house was actually worth less than the car. Okay, 398 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: priorities were messed up, but I got baited into buying 399 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: it because I walk into the dealership and deal looks 400 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 1: at me and goes something like he doesn't say specifically 401 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: you can't afford this, but it's like I don't. I 402 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: don't think you know what this price is. And I 403 00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: was like, oh, okay. So I called my my person 404 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:00,159 Speaker 1: and I say, hey, that's how much this car? Can 405 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: I Can I get it right now? He said you could? 406 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:04,439 Speaker 1: I said would I Would I be going broke if 407 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 1: I did it? He said, no, you wouldn't, but if 408 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: you want to get it, get it. 409 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 2: And my stupid but. 410 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:19,199 Speaker 1: Bought a cash cash from the dealer that was insulting me, 411 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: just to prove to him that I could buy a 412 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: cash So if I was if I had to do 413 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 1: it all over again, I would still buy the car, 414 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: just from somebody with us from another dealer, because that's 415 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: where I think one of my my my that was 416 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 1: my first splurge. And since then though, I've been super conservative, 417 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: Like I just felt like I had to get that 418 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: that itch off of me and take care of my family. 419 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 1: And actually I've saved pretty much most of it, and 420 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 1: uh and I'm proud of that. But at the end 421 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: of the day, I had to have that one splurge 422 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: and that's that Bentley. 423 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, don't don't be too conservative. It's okay. You're 424 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 2: talking about family here. What was it like to be 425 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 2: able to possibly tell your mom and your dad, you 426 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 2: know what, you're good? 427 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,679 Speaker 1: I got the benefit of my parents knew nothing about 428 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 1: American sports, so I didn't have the dad that was like, 429 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: you got to do this for us. They really wanted 430 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: me to just have a good education. So for me, 431 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: the people who actually told my parents were their coworkers, like, 432 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: why are you still working? I just saw in the 433 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: New York Times just son just signed this contract. And 434 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:29,919 Speaker 1: my parents, you know, their hard workers. Both got their 435 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 1: master's degrees. And I appreciate their approach to life because 436 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 1: they really didn't it got you know, they didn't care 437 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 1: they had busted their tail enough. They had already purchased 438 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 1: their first house, probably when I was in college. They 439 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: had reached in their mind what their American dream was 440 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: going to be middle aged Americans, which you know, by 441 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 1: working two or three jobs and then me being able 442 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 1: to pay for college at Indiana. That was where I 443 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:53,919 Speaker 1: thought it was going to be my peak. I'm going 444 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: to leave college without any debt. My parents were still 445 00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 1: paying off their student loans, but for me to even 446 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: the ena without debt was going to be in my peak. Obviously, 447 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:06,400 Speaker 1: God had other plans. So when I told my parents, Mom, 448 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying, but do me a favor. 449 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: Just give me like four or five more years. Now, 450 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 1: remember what I just said. I just signed this big 451 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 1: thirty something million dollar contract, So give me four or 452 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: five more years. Let me stack the money because obviously 453 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: nothing's guaranteed except that signing bonus. Okay, so you see 454 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: thirty something million, but that's not what it means. And 455 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 1: even if I get the whole something million, it's actually 456 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 1: like eight right at the tax. So let's let's wait. 457 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: What I'll do for you, though, is I'll take care 458 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: of all of your bills so I won't buy you 459 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:43,880 Speaker 1: a house, shed, I won't buy you a car yet. 460 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: I know I promised you I was going to buy 461 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 1: you that house, but if you be paid forent me. 462 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: From what I understand about my finances, let us stack 463 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,880 Speaker 1: a little bit and then I'll buy you the house 464 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 1: and take care of you. So for the next five years, 465 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: even when I was with the Bears, my parents were 466 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: still working and they didn't have any wants, any needs 467 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: anymore because I was taking all their bills, but they 468 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: were allowing my money to stack so every so I 469 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: played out the six years, so I got all my money. 470 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: And the funny thing about it is when I actually 471 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 1: finally bought them my house, I paid cash for it. 472 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: I looked at my bank statement and I didn't see 473 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: a change in my account. So I called my financial advice. 474 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: I was like, yo, that check was supposed to go 475 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: out for the house of my mom, for my parents' house. 476 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: He said it did go out. So but the problem 477 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 1: is I was making so much money off of my 478 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 1: investments and the money that I was doing, I didn't 479 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 1: see a difference. So that's why I'm super proud that 480 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: my parents warn't those you've got to do this for me, 481 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: And I know that's probably going to go into something 482 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 1: else we're going to talk about later, but I do 483 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: feel like in our communities, if we have a little 484 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: bit more patience when it comes to our money and 485 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: let it stack and let the money move forward instead 486 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 1: of moving backwards, we have more power with our cash. 487 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,919 Speaker 1: And that's kind of my my example on how how 488 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 1: I lived my life is like, let's do things the 489 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 1: right way. Let's be patient, especially with these college kids 490 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,120 Speaker 1: now with Nils. Like when we had college, we had 491 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 1: pizza and ramen noodles and we were and it was 492 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 1: the best time of our life. Yeah, why do we 493 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 1: have to start jumping into you know, champagne and waggle 494 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: beef the next day out of college. So my thing is, 495 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: you know, being patient with it, and I think it 496 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 1: it really boded well for me. But again, not everyone 497 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: has parents like myself. 498 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:38,919 Speaker 2: Who taught you that. Though at some point somewhere someone 499 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,239 Speaker 2: had to teach you, or you had or something went 500 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 2: off in your head was like wait, I gotta save this, 501 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 2: I gotta spend this. Yeah, I could retire my mom 502 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 2: and dad right now, but I could probably be in 503 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 2: a better position if I do it four or five 504 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,880 Speaker 2: years from now. So like, did you have a coach, 505 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,400 Speaker 2: was it a financial guy? Was it just your own 506 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 2: just afraid, just afraid to lose it? 507 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 1: You know? And I think a lot of times people 508 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: like say, you're losing money because inflation, you're not investing it. 509 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: I say, like, actually, those years that I was just 510 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: keeping it in savings, I was learning. But the truth 511 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: of the matter is when you come from a place 512 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: where it was like six people in the two bedroom 513 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: apartment in New York City, you ain't trying to go 514 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 1: back to that. So you're super afraid of losing it. 515 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: And then when you speak to financial advisors, they're talking 516 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 1: to you in like German or Chinese, like it's not 517 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: even making sense. What are you talking about? Like liquidation 518 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: and equity and basis points something? What does that all mean? 519 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 1: So I was actually super scared, so I just saved 520 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 1: all my money. It winds up being the thing that 521 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: actually saved me because you saw a lot of I'm 522 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: sure you guys know too, a lot of our teammates 523 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 1: as soon as they got that cash, they spent it. 524 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 1: They had to buy mama house hopefully parents were married. 525 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: If not, then I gotta buy two houses. You got 526 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: two cars for a mom and dad. So I was 527 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: super lucky in a sense that my fair keep me 528 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: from making big mistakes. I mean, then two, I had 529 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: parents that were super patient with me when it came 530 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: to my money. 531 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 2: We're gonna take a short break and we'll be right back. 532 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 2: I want to ask you about this white paper idea 533 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 2: that you got going on at UBS right to coming 534 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 2: through it. Amongst those who experienced a meaningful and second 535 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 2: careers is a stead fast belief that the same drive, 536 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 2: ambition and hard work that's propelled them and to start them. 537 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 2: Is that kind of where you are right now within 538 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 2: your second act being the director of Sports and Entertainment AUBS. 539 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I think I think a lot of the 540 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: things that we've learned in sports, especially in football, is 541 00:26:55,680 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 1: some of the best characteristics and strengths to help us 542 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 1: propel in corporate America. We understand teamwork extremely well. We 543 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 1: are we actually long for I want to say criticism, 544 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: but we do long for correction, coachable, right, and we're 545 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: able to like have two tracks of my team's success 546 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: and my personal success and they don't conflict, right, We're 547 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: able to do it at the same at the same time, 548 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:32,120 Speaker 1: and I think people in society have a hard time 549 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: of finding that balance between I want to be successful, 550 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: but I also want to do it what's best for 551 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,640 Speaker 1: everybody else. Think football players and team you know, orientated 552 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: sports and people are successful in that. I actually can 553 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 1: go into corporate America and do that easy. Right, my 554 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: my line manager correcting my behavior or telling me that 555 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: I need to do something a little bit better, I'm like, oh, thanks, 556 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: I appreciate that because we come from a space where 557 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 1: if coach stops talking to you, giving up on you. 558 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 2: Right, So. 559 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 1: My thought process is, let's continue to pour into athletes. 560 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,679 Speaker 1: Too many times, I think in the financial industry, they 561 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 1: look at you, They look at you and your family 562 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,879 Speaker 1: as a transaction. How much money do you have, how 563 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 1: much money we're gonna make off of you? And we 564 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 1: don't talk about a legacy, like what are we going 565 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 1: to do for our communities, for our families, what are 566 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: we gonna leave behind? And that's kind of what my 567 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 1: role at UBS is is like, let me connect the dots. 568 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 1: Let's move away from this transactional state that we've always been. 569 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: Let's get away from the headlines where you see you know, 570 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: athletes losing hundreds of millions of dollars don't have to 571 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: say any names, but it happens. And let's start looking at, 572 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,959 Speaker 1: you know, the wins and people who are good men, 573 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: who are upstanding citizens, people who are upstending wives and 574 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: good women, and who want to do best for their communities. 575 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: And I really feel like it's our obligation at ubs. 576 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 1: Some ubs manages almost six trillion dollars of assets, six 577 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: with a te So I really feel like there's an 578 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 1: obligation for people who have been given so much to 579 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 1: teach and to help build legacies in some of the 580 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: places where we haven't had the best guidance. And I 581 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: think athletes sometimes, because of who we are and we're 582 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: focused on winning that championship, we get taken advantage of. 583 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 2: You know, I'm just sitting here listening to you eloquently 584 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 2: kind of talk about how how like athletes themselves because 585 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 2: we're on we're such good teammates naturally, right, because we 586 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 2: grew up in this what's best for the team mode, 587 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 2: but then we know how to put our own personal 588 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 2: goals within that team goals. We're all going the same way. 589 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 2: It's almost like driving on the interstate and sometime in 590 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 2: the HOV lane and sometimes I'm outside of it, but 591 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 2: we're all still going in the same way. Okay, I 592 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 2: like you that. I appreciate that. Do you know what 593 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 2: HOV stands for? I do you know? I don't know? 594 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 2: Occupancy vehicle vehicle like people in it. Yeah, it's more 595 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 2: than like I can't say that worshiper fast occupancy vehicles. 596 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 2: I might have jacked up, but it's occupancy. Okay. So, like, 597 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 2: what are the things that you try and say, you 598 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 2: know what, like I know for me, like you try 599 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 2: and because you said, like when these financial guys would 600 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 2: be talking to you, it sounded like Chinese German, it 601 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 2: was another language, you know, instead of just sometimes compounding 602 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 2: interest is your best friend, you know, Like that's simple. 603 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 2: You can take it as a bullet point that takes 604 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 2: you all the way. So take a compounding interest is 605 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 2: your best friend, you know what I mean, it's the 606 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 2: it's the jewel to it, absolutely so. 607 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 1: And that's and that's why it's it's about you know, 608 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 1: being patient, and I think too, like you said, like 609 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 1: we've got to find a way, especially the financial institutions, 610 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: to talk to people in the language they understand, like 611 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 1: meet them where they are. It's not about like dumbing 612 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: it down, because that's not like some of our teammates. 613 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: Some of us are some of the smartest, hardest working, 614 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: creative individuals. You'll see a lot of athletes like look 615 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: at you two, Like you guys put your mind to 616 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 1: you know, moving in another direction and you're killing it, right, 617 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: that's not by accident. You guys are born with something. 618 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 1: And I think a lot of athletes that are successful 619 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: on the field or on a pitch, on a baseball diamond, 620 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: on the court, they have something in them that no 621 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 1: matter what feel they're in, they're going to be successful. 622 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 1: So for us in the financial industry, why not make 623 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 1: it easier? Why make it complicated? And why are you 624 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 1: doing that? That's that's another thing. Why are you making 625 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: this hard for the regular person to understand what you're 626 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 1: talking about? 627 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 2: Right? 628 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 1: Like as simple as you said compounding interests? Like why 629 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: is that my best friend? 630 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 2: Right? Why does it? 631 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 1: If I invest and I'm patient enough for every seven 632 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 1: years and rate, I can almost double my assets seven years. Right, 633 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 1: So imagine we've been doing that since we're twenty one. 634 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 1: At our ages now we would have doubled and tripled 635 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 1: own net worth just by those simple principles of compounding interest. 636 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 1: So again, people are doing it for a reason. And 637 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 1: I don't want to say that as nefarious, because maybe 638 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: some people is not. But I do feel like there 639 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 1: has to be a level of education when given to 640 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 1: our young men and women when it comes to their finances. 641 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 1: And that's my ultimate goal in working at ubs. And 642 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: as you guys said with my contract earlier, this isn't 643 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 1: a job that I, you know, wake np as that 644 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: I need. I've saved every dime that I had, so 645 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: this is more of my way of giving back to 646 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: I think people who have, you know, brought some of 647 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 1: the best memories to society known to men. 648 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 2: You know. I'll go back to the Super Bowl questions. 649 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: Did you ask me Another thing that I do remember 650 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 1: of that I was that I looked in the stairs 651 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 1: and I saw moms and dads and Asians and Hispanics 652 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: and blacks and whites, either booing or chearing for their 653 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 1: team or against another team. And I realized, like sports, 654 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 1: we brought so many people together. We've made so many 655 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 1: memories for families. So the contracts that these young men 656 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: and women make they deserve it because we're creating memories 657 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: that last a lifetime. We're building communities, we're bringing families together, 658 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: and I feel like for a financial advisor to not 659 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: do right by their players, it's just wrong, and the 660 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 1: financial soitutions they should. We should be doing more to 661 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: make sure that the lives of our athletes entertainers are 662 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 1: put in the right direction because of all of the 663 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 1: good will that they've put forth in all our communities. 664 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 2: Now, while you've made a lot of really good decisions, right, 665 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 2: like from when you left college, going undrafted, saving your money, 666 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 2: all these other things, So when you do hang up 667 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 2: your cleats, right, how do you know you're ready to 668 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 2: get into that next chapter? And how did you like 669 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 2: figure that part out and kind of maybe walk us 670 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 2: through that journey because ultimately that's the key ingredient I 671 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 2: think to a lot of success ones for post career 672 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,400 Speaker 2: because finding that identity, yeah, we do not find it. 673 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,360 Speaker 1: Have there is no blueprint to that. I think ultimately 674 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 1: it starts earlier. The league has to do a better 675 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: job of speaking to young men that this isn't gonna last. Yeah, 676 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: and you're gonna see a drop in one chemical dependency 677 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 1: you're going to see a drop in depression and some 678 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 1: of the things that happened with suicides with athletes and 679 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 1: people who have no one thing their whole lives. So 680 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: we've got to have this discussion a little bit earlier. 681 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 1: But for me, I think the benefit was that I 682 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: always knew this was not going to be forever. And 683 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 1: I go back to my parents, like they didn't care 684 00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 1: about football. Like in my house, it's my sister who's 685 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:01,320 Speaker 1: a medical doctor. 686 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:02,840 Speaker 2: Doctor. She's like the. 687 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,839 Speaker 1: Princess of our house just because she's a doctor. I'm like, wait, Mom, 688 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna one who bought you the house. Mom, 689 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 1: I went to the Pro Bowl. This sister was a doctor, right, 690 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 1: so she gets you know, if there's the biggest piece 691 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,319 Speaker 1: of meat, you know, at Thanksgiving, she gets it right 692 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 1: because of she's the doctor. So again, I think those 693 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 1: are some of the discussions we need to have with 694 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,360 Speaker 1: our younger athletes that this isn't gonna last forever, and 695 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 1: then ultimately too, we've got to start pivoting earlier than 696 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,239 Speaker 1: when we hang it up. And I think coaches and 697 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 1: industry and I think even teams are doing a better 698 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 1: job of allowing guys to kind of have their own 699 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:45,839 Speaker 1: kind of hobbies and knowing different ways. In the off 700 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 1: season when we played, if we looked anywhere outside of 701 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,719 Speaker 1: that football field, they were saying, we're a distraction, and 702 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,280 Speaker 1: we've were distracted. They wanted people that had the blinders 703 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 1: on and talked football eight football and slept football. That's 704 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 1: not gonna happen anymore. Like you're gonna get left behind 705 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 1: if your only thinking that's your only job as a 706 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:05,840 Speaker 1: football player. 707 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 2: Number two when you retire. 708 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 1: I think I retired in mid thirties, I'm gonna sit 709 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 1: at home for the rest, Like am I just gonna 710 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:19,359 Speaker 1: sit at home and do what? So ultimately I knew 711 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 1: I had to find something else, So I went back 712 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,840 Speaker 1: to school. The NFL program that helps pay for continuing education. 713 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 1: I took advantage of that. Yep, that's another thing I 714 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,320 Speaker 1: think our young men and young men don't do a 715 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 1: lot in the NFL is they should take advantage of 716 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,759 Speaker 1: all those resources we earned it. It's basically off our 717 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 1: sweat that we've created these opportunities. So I took advantage 718 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 1: of the continuing education. When I got my MBA, I 719 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 1: wanted to go into broadcasting, when of they maybe do 720 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 1: what you guys were doing. I'm nice, didn't think. I 721 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,319 Speaker 1: don't think I was built for that. But I did 722 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 1: bump into the GM of the Dolphins through a mutual 723 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 1: friend at the time, and I in my mind, I 724 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 1: wanted to be like one of the first black gms 725 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,399 Speaker 1: in the NFL. So I started doing like a little 726 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 1: bit of an internship here with the Dolphins. And the 727 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,279 Speaker 1: fact that they were just being there twenty four hours 728 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 1: a day. No one wanted to go home. They would 729 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 1: look down and see if the president was still in 730 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 1: his office before they left. I was like, man, I 731 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,880 Speaker 1: can't be doing this. Man like, I can't do this. 732 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,239 Speaker 1: But what I did enjoy on that aspect was for 733 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 1: the little time I was here, I was getting the coffee. 734 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 1: I was, you know, taking the rookies around. You know, 735 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 1: I'm like one of the better players that played in 736 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:36,920 Speaker 1: the Dolphins history, and I'm a Pro Bowl player and 737 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 1: I'm getting coffee for people. 738 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt like you were a part of something. 739 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,360 Speaker 1: Again, it did, and and I appreciate that because it 740 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,279 Speaker 1: kind of if you want to if you want to 741 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,800 Speaker 1: be a leader, you've got to know every aspect of 742 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 1: the business, right You got to know what the guy 743 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,800 Speaker 1: that's getting coffee, how he feels. You got to know 744 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,360 Speaker 1: that that assistant that drives the rookies around. You know, 745 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,600 Speaker 1: remember when we were rookies, how annoying we were. We 746 00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 1: got to feel like, what's going on with them? And 747 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,800 Speaker 1: I shared that approach and I stepped away from that 748 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:06,239 Speaker 1: internship realizing that I still want to be successful in 749 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:07,560 Speaker 1: something I do, but I want to do a little 750 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:08,720 Speaker 1: bit more of giving back. 751 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 2: Down here in Miami. 752 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 1: So after that, I bump into the head of private 753 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,040 Speaker 1: wealth at UBS an you want to be a financial advisor, 754 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:21,280 Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm not into supporting one industry 755 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 1: versus another, but what I will do is kind of 756 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 1: help UBS in a way they should be thinking when 757 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 1: they do bump into an athlete like ourselves. And they 758 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 1: appreciated that approach. So for the next five years, we 759 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 1: just kept going back and forth, like what does it 760 00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:37,560 Speaker 1: look like? What do you think you want to do? 761 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:39,359 Speaker 2: Were you working for him at this time? 762 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,920 Speaker 1: Oh, this is just just going back and forth, just 763 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,920 Speaker 1: me consulting kind of just for free, you know, not 764 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,279 Speaker 1: thinking it was going to really go anywhere, because again 765 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,080 Speaker 1: I had all the money, I had full disclosure. I 766 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,360 Speaker 1: was a client of UBS at the time, but I 767 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,959 Speaker 1: just felt like I should be at the places where 768 00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,680 Speaker 1: the billionaire's bank. Right, one out of every two billionaires 769 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,560 Speaker 1: has an account at UBS or has some relationship with UBS. 770 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,399 Speaker 1: I was like, wait, I really didn't know much about 771 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,440 Speaker 1: UBS when I got here. I actually thought UBS is competitor, 772 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:12,239 Speaker 1: was FedEx right. I thought they delivered packages, everyone wore 773 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,000 Speaker 1: brown suits, not knowing that this is a place where, 774 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 1: you know, one out of two billionaires has an account. 775 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,879 Speaker 1: So that again another light bulb went over my head. 776 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,000 Speaker 1: I was like, if I don't know this, then maybe 777 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,440 Speaker 1: the average athlete doesn't notice either, who has millions of dollars. 778 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,360 Speaker 1: So so the next four or five years we continue 779 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 1: to kind of go back and forth and what does 780 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,400 Speaker 1: it look like? And eventually they brought it to me 781 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,799 Speaker 1: and said, hey, listen, we appreciate your approach. Why don't 782 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,400 Speaker 1: you take this blank piece of paper and build out 783 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,440 Speaker 1: our sports and entertainment business. Get us all into the 784 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,880 Speaker 1: framework and out of the silos that we're in everybody 785 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,800 Speaker 1: doing their own thing, and have one focus and mission 786 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,279 Speaker 1: statement of the sports and entertainment business. And for the 787 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,800 Speaker 1: last seven years I've been doing that. 788 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,040 Speaker 2: How much door does it bring. You know, on that 789 00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,080 Speaker 2: you kind of worked it out five or six years 790 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,200 Speaker 2: and then the boss or wherever it was, they basically 791 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,960 Speaker 2: just say, yeah, I like what you're doing. You know, 792 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:09,080 Speaker 2: here's basically a blank shick, here's a canvas. Do what 793 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,680 Speaker 2: you need to do for the vision that you have 794 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:13,440 Speaker 2: for UBS. 795 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,320 Speaker 1: It's big, right because you know, I'm not I'm not 796 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,000 Speaker 1: an advisor. And if we're gonna be honest, this is 797 00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:25,160 Speaker 1: you know, a middle aged white society that we liveing 798 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,080 Speaker 1: in corporate America. So to have one not mean just 799 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,440 Speaker 1: a former player, but have you know former players an 800 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,759 Speaker 1: African American running the sports entertainment business in a way 801 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,440 Speaker 1: where I'm not actually out there, you know, saying hey Peanut, 802 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,640 Speaker 1: bring your money to UBS, but actually thinking about it 803 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,839 Speaker 1: behind the scenes on our strategy, pushing back on stereotypes 804 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,160 Speaker 1: and biases that are already built into the financial industries, 805 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,239 Speaker 1: and being able to say, if you guys don't like it, 806 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,000 Speaker 1: I don't care, but this is the way we're gonna 807 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:54,960 Speaker 1: run it, and giving me that freedom to do that 808 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 1: at a firm as big as Ubs. Kudos to UBS 809 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,399 Speaker 1: for doing that, like it's an amazing opportunity and I'm 810 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,840 Speaker 1: taking I'm making the most of them. I think my 811 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,759 Speaker 1: ultimate goal is to get our competitors to see what 812 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,120 Speaker 1: we're doing and to lift the bar up set. The 813 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,640 Speaker 1: whole industry of finance does right by us. And when 814 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,120 Speaker 1: I say us, our community, the people that you know 815 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,760 Speaker 1: have put you know, their heart and soul and blood, 816 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,719 Speaker 1: sweat and tears into perfecting their craft and have gotten 817 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,920 Speaker 1: paid handsomely for it. Let's now be good stewards and 818 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,640 Speaker 1: help them with their finances. 819 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:32,640 Speaker 2: And we'll be right back. So now we're going to 820 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,399 Speaker 2: get back into the I saved his life story real quick. 821 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,160 Speaker 2: So we're playing Tampa Bay. It's two thousand and eight. 822 00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,600 Speaker 2: I'm running off the field till now it's forth down. 823 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,560 Speaker 2: Tampa Bay is gonna punt. As I'm jogging off the field, 824 00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,719 Speaker 2: I kind of look to my left and I see 825 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:52,400 Speaker 2: Wylea on his back. Was anybody on top of him? Yes? Oh, 826 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,480 Speaker 2: he was getting okay, he was getting the business. As 827 00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,680 Speaker 2: a referee says, he was getting the business. True blood. 828 00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:00,920 Speaker 2: I don't know what true Blood's first name. It's Jeremy, 829 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,759 Speaker 2: you know, he's he was a writer or left tackle dude. 830 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,160 Speaker 2: He was always doing something. I think he was a 831 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,200 Speaker 2: left tackle. He was always He was big too, though 832 00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,480 Speaker 2: he's like six eight. I don't know the particulars of 833 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,359 Speaker 2: what happened. I don't know if he hits you later, 834 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,920 Speaker 2: you hit him late. I couldn't. I couldn't tell you 835 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,200 Speaker 2: none of that. All I saw was he was like this, 836 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:27,279 Speaker 2: and true Blood was just and Walle was just ya. 837 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,960 Speaker 2: He was taking those jazz. So me, being the teammate 838 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,160 Speaker 2: that I am, I just ran over, didn't ask no 839 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,480 Speaker 2: questions and I hit the you know what out of 840 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:41,759 Speaker 2: true Blood, just just took him out. And after I 841 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,880 Speaker 2: did that, Mike h Mark Clayton, Michael Clayton, receiver out 842 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,840 Speaker 2: of l s U Michael Clayton. He comes over and 843 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:49,920 Speaker 2: then me and him get into it. Now I'm fighting 844 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:53,759 Speaker 2: everybody's now it's a team bro. Michael Clayton and a 845 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,000 Speaker 2: small dude either. No. Oh, but we're getting it though. 846 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,640 Speaker 2: We getting it in for We're getting it in. At 847 00:42:58,680 --> 00:42:59,399 Speaker 2: the end of the day. 848 00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,000 Speaker 1: I was the only one that got a penalty, really 849 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,920 Speaker 1: because you hit true because I hit True Blood. Clayton 850 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,759 Speaker 1: hit me, Well, you knock true Blood off of me. 851 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:14,160 Speaker 1: So let me tell you what really happened. So true 852 00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,520 Speaker 1: Blood was one of them players like you just go 853 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:22,400 Speaker 1: past past the whistle blow one play. I think I 854 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:28,120 Speaker 1: tried to punch him in the nuts play and I 855 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:32,560 Speaker 1: think I think, okay, be honest, honest, honestly, I just 856 00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:34,200 Speaker 1: I'm just want to make sure the league doesn't have 857 00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:39,840 Speaker 1: to go. And you go back in there, find cussed 858 00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,279 Speaker 1: him in the nuts there. But as I do that, 859 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,319 Speaker 1: the pile starts piling up on top of me. 860 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:47,360 Speaker 2: And in my hands. You stuck. 861 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,520 Speaker 1: So true Blay is like, oh really, and then he 862 00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:56,520 Speaker 1: starts giving me the business am I like this whole time, 863 00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:05,799 Speaker 1: like man, and thank god I didn't know who saved me. Yeah, 864 00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,320 Speaker 1: thank god somebody just comes out like Superman and just 865 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,719 Speaker 1: hits him off me. No, I'm still under the pile. 866 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,520 Speaker 1: I'm still under the pile. So I can't even help 867 00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,360 Speaker 1: Peanut because people are still on top of me. Whoever 868 00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:22,000 Speaker 1: I had me trapped, I'm trapped. So that's the story. 869 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:24,320 Speaker 2: Peanut. Thank you. 870 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,239 Speaker 1: I don't think I ever thanked you for that. You 871 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,880 Speaker 1: did not cameras, so I appreciate you. Please hope you 872 00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,680 Speaker 1: don't like have video footage of this. But I was 873 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:37,640 Speaker 1: trapped and you saved me and that and that's what happened. 874 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,920 Speaker 2: So thank you. I really thought like he saved your life, like. 875 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,480 Speaker 1: But no, it was like, no, that's how my helmet on. 876 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:44,200 Speaker 2: It wasn't doing it. 877 00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:50,040 Speaker 1: He was like in that locker room. Imagine the next 878 00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,480 Speaker 1: day we're watching the film. Oh, they're probably killing you, 879 00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,600 Speaker 1: destroying killing you. I mean, and it just rewinds and 880 00:44:55,680 --> 00:45:01,840 Speaker 1: he's just you know, my head just going back like 881 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,200 Speaker 1: who is and love? He's probably made love. He's probably 882 00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:05,000 Speaker 1: loving it too. 883 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,160 Speaker 2: It's like, is that you? Is that? 884 00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:08,120 Speaker 1: Like? Man? 885 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:08,680 Speaker 2: Dude? 886 00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:10,840 Speaker 1: So I didn't tell Himbouy that I kicked him and 887 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:11,839 Speaker 1: not to put him the Nazi. 888 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know that till just now. Yeah, so 889 00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,719 Speaker 2: that's a little extra. True Blood was, you know, being 890 00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,480 Speaker 2: in the South Division. We played against him twice a year, 891 00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:24,560 Speaker 2: so he was definitely a guy habitual over the definitely 892 00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,800 Speaker 2: like over the line. Yeah, it was for me, it 893 00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:31,600 Speaker 2: was always the true Blood guy. And then Atlanta Falcons 894 00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:35,000 Speaker 2: had a center that was just always extra extra. 895 00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:35,959 Speaker 1: Yeah. 896 00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,879 Speaker 2: So last question for you, sir, Mount Rushmore. You get 897 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,200 Speaker 2: four picks. You can put four people on your personal 898 00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:44,080 Speaker 2: Mount Rushmore. 899 00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,960 Speaker 1: Four picks for people who would those four people be 900 00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,120 Speaker 1: any position or in football and no, no, just. 901 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,279 Speaker 2: In life and life in general. This helped you get 902 00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:52,880 Speaker 2: to where you are. 903 00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,239 Speaker 1: So obviously my parents like they're on the mount rushmore 904 00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,399 Speaker 1: white Mom and Dad just because how do you leave 905 00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,800 Speaker 1: of village of and not literally a village, but a 906 00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:09,120 Speaker 1: village of people that love you and go to a 907 00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:13,279 Speaker 1: foreign place where you know, nobody set up shop and 908 00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,920 Speaker 1: now you have four thriving children. 909 00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,640 Speaker 2: And now I think. 910 00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,440 Speaker 1: Five grandchildren and then living life like enjoy. So for them, 911 00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:29,719 Speaker 1: that's my rush mark, like there's nobody and I think 912 00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,279 Speaker 1: top that for me. And even my dad, like I 913 00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:33,800 Speaker 1: just said this to my dad is just like my 914 00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,560 Speaker 1: biggest hero, even how he deals with my mom and 915 00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,120 Speaker 1: you know, even when she gets on his nerves the way, 916 00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,840 Speaker 1: he's still able to kind of like handle her. And 917 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,160 Speaker 1: and that's probably why he has a ton of gray hairs. 918 00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:50,719 Speaker 1: You know, no knock to your wife, my friend, no knock, 919 00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:55,439 Speaker 1: but you don't know her. But either way he's able 920 00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:59,240 Speaker 1: to handle her. He teaches me, yeah, yeah, he teaches 921 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,239 Speaker 1: me a lot on even in my own relationship now 922 00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:07,920 Speaker 1: with my wife. For some reason, I'm I'm super connected 923 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,120 Speaker 1: to you know, Barack Obama. I think, you know, in 924 00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:15,120 Speaker 1: the way that society has said that a black man 925 00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:21,239 Speaker 1: needs to behave I think he touched every box on 926 00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:25,440 Speaker 1: that a good family man, uh, intelligent, was one of 927 00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,560 Speaker 1: the best. Maybe it was the president of his class 928 00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,520 Speaker 1: in college where I think he might have went to Harvard, 929 00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,920 Speaker 1: I believe so for that to me, I think I 930 00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,360 Speaker 1: just knew that I had to be that good to 931 00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,880 Speaker 1: be successful. And I think looking at him and seeing 932 00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,920 Speaker 1: that it was true, like if you can check all 933 00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:45,960 Speaker 1: the boxes as a black man, you can reach the 934 00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,799 Speaker 1: highest levels of this country. So he's he's on top 935 00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,359 Speaker 1: of that. If I'm really thinking about it, then maybe 936 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,080 Speaker 1: Steve Jobs, I really feel. 937 00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,560 Speaker 2: Like he's been this. 938 00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,279 Speaker 1: If he can you already saw before you passed away, 939 00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,000 Speaker 1: but if you could really see the impact that he's 940 00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:08,960 Speaker 1: had on the world, like not there's a there can't 941 00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,719 Speaker 1: be any household that has any significant amount of money 942 00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:14,600 Speaker 1: even if they don't that doesn't have a product that 943 00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:15,320 Speaker 1: he's created. 944 00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,239 Speaker 2: So I would put him, put him on that. I 945 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:23,000 Speaker 2: think that's the first Steve Jobs. It is. It is 946 00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:24,319 Speaker 2: so great. 947 00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,600 Speaker 1: So if it wasn't him, now I would say, maybe 948 00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:28,799 Speaker 1: Jeff Bezos said, what he did with Amazon, but we'll 949 00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:33,440 Speaker 1: leave him out of it. Maybe Oprah, Oprah, let's go 950 00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:33,920 Speaker 1: with Oprah. 951 00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:35,680 Speaker 2: Okay, why Oprah? 952 00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,439 Speaker 1: Because Oprah taught me that if you can make people 953 00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:45,600 Speaker 1: feel a certain way, like they'll they'll follow you anywhere 954 00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:49,040 Speaker 1: you gotta go, Like if you can pour into people, 955 00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,120 Speaker 1: like the fact that she's always like giving somebody something, 956 00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,960 Speaker 1: like people love free stuff. Right, But she made it 957 00:48:56,080 --> 00:49:00,400 Speaker 1: in a way where people listen to her. She was 958 00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:04,440 Speaker 1: able to create culture, you know, best selling books. But 959 00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:09,800 Speaker 1: it's because she made people when she was able to 960 00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:14,360 Speaker 1: jump in everyone's household, she was she wasn't abrasive in 961 00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,600 Speaker 1: the way she and people wanted to just jump like 962 00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,560 Speaker 1: she had Tom Cruise jump to jumping on the couch. Yeah, 963 00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:21,560 Speaker 1: I mean you never seen Tom Cruise do nothing like 964 00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,080 Speaker 1: that before that. Right now, I'm dating myself, right because 965 00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,440 Speaker 1: these kids, young kids are like Tom, who's that? But 966 00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,680 Speaker 1: like that's the kind of you know, respect she had 967 00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:33,839 Speaker 1: and she became a billionaire, right and hopefully you two 968 00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,000 Speaker 1: are gonna do this and have people jumping on the couch. 969 00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:39,520 Speaker 2: And Okay, so how does how does Roman how do 970 00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,960 Speaker 2: Romana make you feel? Talking on the podcast? 971 00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,560 Speaker 1: Sometimes, yeah, I was like a little weird of that 972 00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:46,520 Speaker 1: by both of y'all. 973 00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,800 Speaker 2: Say, look, that can be brothers. You know what. I 974 00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,160 Speaker 2: always thought you guys were brothers. You know. I don't 975 00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,640 Speaker 2: know if I appreciate that older brother. And everybody knows 976 00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:00,920 Speaker 2: he's deal with him though, so I patiently Number one, 977 00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:02,240 Speaker 2: I would say, I have good patience. 978 00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:03,319 Speaker 1: Is he he gave you something? 979 00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,680 Speaker 2: Great? Hairs? No, I don't think I've had so. I've 980 00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,640 Speaker 2: had these since I came out of h Really, yeah, 981 00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:10,160 Speaker 2: I've had these since eighth grade. 982 00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,680 Speaker 1: I used to I used to think that that was 983 00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:16,359 Speaker 1: a part of your like you know, your your lore 984 00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,239 Speaker 1: for like for chicks to like, yeah, like I'm this 985 00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:20,600 Speaker 1: young guy with gray hairs. 986 00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:24,920 Speaker 2: Like it definitely a conversation starter. It's a conversation you 987 00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,160 Speaker 2: use it all the time, all of time. It's a 988 00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:34,920 Speaker 2: conversation starter. Now now you're pumping his head. I just 989 00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,160 Speaker 2: think it's you know, I don't know how other people 990 00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,239 Speaker 2: viewed me around the league, like, because the day when 991 00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,360 Speaker 2: we played, you didn't talk to other teams like that, 992 00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:46,880 Speaker 2: unless you were teammates, you didn't talk to them. You 993 00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:47,680 Speaker 2: didn't like that guy. 994 00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,840 Speaker 1: But I know what we noticed the way crowds reacted 995 00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:55,080 Speaker 1: to you making plays and when they announce your name 996 00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,439 Speaker 1: like and they loved us do it in the once 997 00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,640 Speaker 1: man like and then when I was with you, weren't 998 00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:03,719 Speaker 1: super We're walking around, uh and the souper. I'm like, 999 00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:08,600 Speaker 1: this dude is a legend. Two minutes, we couldn't go 1000 00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:09,880 Speaker 1: nowhere whatever. 1001 00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,920 Speaker 2: Right here. I mean, they love this man. So it 1002 00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,239 Speaker 2: was the mayor of New Orleans. No, so again I. 1003 00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,759 Speaker 1: Don't know, you know, whatever you did. I mean, you 1004 00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:22,480 Speaker 1: played well, but there was something extra that had people 1005 00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,400 Speaker 1: like that were very enamored with you and and love you. 1006 00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:27,719 Speaker 1: You're one of the you know, the better players, not 1007 00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:29,200 Speaker 1: just for on the field but off the field. 1008 00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:30,560 Speaker 2: People love you. Yeah, I appreciate it. 1009 00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,080 Speaker 1: I was I was a little I want they shocked, 1010 00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,080 Speaker 1: but I was like, damn, this dude still got it. 1011 00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,080 Speaker 1: People stopping like okay, we take a picture, and and 1012 00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,360 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, just sitting there like chop Liver, Like. 1013 00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,160 Speaker 2: Every time I go to Normans with this cat like 1014 00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,360 Speaker 2: he's a man, do the Homer Simpson emotion where I 1015 00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,239 Speaker 2: just kind of it's just the New Orleans. It was 1016 00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,640 Speaker 2: very weird because like that's when my kids because I'm 1017 00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,640 Speaker 2: just Dad everywhere else in the country. Then I go 1018 00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:02,319 Speaker 2: to New Orleans just like, hey, everybody just loves Rome 1019 00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,080 Speaker 2: and it's like, you know, but there's a lot of 1020 00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:05,880 Speaker 2: times I was hanging out and all that other stuff. 1021 00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,160 Speaker 2: But man, it's been a pleasure man while a man. 1022 00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:09,600 Speaker 2: You're awesome, you know. I mean, I've been from the 1023 00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:11,600 Speaker 2: very first time I actually got to meet you at 1024 00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:15,440 Speaker 2: the hotel at the Casino in Las Vegas and when 1025 00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,880 Speaker 2: I was with Peanut again my work wife, and so 1026 00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:22,319 Speaker 2: you've been outstanding, bro, and I love hearing your story. Hey, 1027 00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,799 Speaker 2: thank you for always watching and listening. 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