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Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, November twenty eight, two eight scene, season fourteen,
Speaker 1: episode number eighty seven. Welcome to another edition of The Break,
Speaker 1: live from the s w ABC Portgage Studios at the Star.
Speaker 1: Welcome to you, guys. We've got about I'll be doing
Speaker 1: forty five minutes an hour today. I want to do
Speaker 1: an hour. Let's do an hour. Director of Digital, I
Speaker 1: don't know. You tell me director director of Digital five
Speaker 1: years ago. I don't know. It's a long one. Huh
Speaker 1: about forty five minutes? Forty five minutes. You know we're
Speaker 1: gonna go an hour today. We're going a full hour.
Speaker 1: We're talking some Cowboys football. We're gonna get you guys
Speaker 1: ready for Cowboys Verse Saints. That'll happen tomorrow night on
Speaker 1: Thursday Night football. Um, and there's some interesting things we
Speaker 1: got to talk about today, including some comments from DeMarcus Lawrence,
Speaker 1: which I absolutely loved. But we'll talk about that a
Speaker 1: little bit later in the show. We're gonna starts. Huh
Speaker 1: a little aggressive and I like aggressive about well, well
Speaker 1: wait till we get there. But but no, yeah, it
Speaker 1: was a little aggressive. It was a little aggresive. But um,
Speaker 1: let's talk first about injuries. Yesterday we look at the
Speaker 1: injury report. Cowboys have three waiting. I'm sorry, they have
Speaker 1: five guys who did not practice, good burgers. Four of them, sorry,
Speaker 1: four of them we knew weren't going to practice. Tavon Austin,
Speaker 1: Sean Lee, David Irving, and Jeff Swain Tyren Smith. We
Speaker 1: probably we knew it was probably not going to practice.
Speaker 1: But he did not practice, and he's probably the one
Speaker 1: of those five that even has a small chance of
Speaker 1: being able to play at this point. Um, what are
Speaker 1: you guys thinking? What are you hearing as far as
Speaker 1: the likelihood of him playing tomorrow night? That's the I mean,
Speaker 1: that's you're right, that's really the only one. I think
Speaker 1: the other, well, the other one of those the other
Speaker 1: four definitely not playing, Yeah, and they were never expected
Speaker 1: to for the rest of the year. Well, I want
Speaker 1: to talk a little bit about David Irving, but let's
Speaker 1: just hold that for a second. Is that who you're
Speaker 1: talking about? Maybe, Okay, maybe not. Maybe there's others on that.
Speaker 1: All right, we'll talk about that in a second. I
Speaker 1: haven't heard I have not heard any whispers leaning anyone
Speaker 1: which way. You know, we said this earlier in the week.
Speaker 1: He hasn't practiced. That's not a good sign, but he
Speaker 1: is definitely on that list of guys that don't need
Speaker 1: to practice. Um, if he does anything, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: sure the Cowboys are holding a walk through at some
Speaker 1: point today. Maybe they can get him into that. And
Speaker 1: like I said, like he'll he'll be out there early
Speaker 1: with the trainers tomorrow, you know, five o'clock, trying to
Speaker 1: get loose and see how he feels. Um. I've leaned
Speaker 1: toward thinking he'll probably sit, especially when you think, you know,
Speaker 1: you got a division game next. If he doesn't play
Speaker 1: in this game, he's got a long weekend to cover.
Speaker 1: Just seems like a better safe than sorry type of
Speaker 1: situation to me. Cam Fleming last week had some rough moments,
Speaker 1: but also played pretty well. Definitely played better in the
Speaker 1: second half. The entire offensive line played better in the
Speaker 1: second half. How much confidence do you have in him
Speaker 1: that would you have in him this week as a
Speaker 1: starter last week? It's one thing when when the team
Speaker 1: because I don't think anyone including us, expected that Tyrone
Speaker 1: was gonna miss last week. So once you figure out
Speaker 1: that he's not playing, and then he has to go
Speaker 1: in and Cam Fleming has to go into the game,
Speaker 1: that's one thing for a defender to have to adjust
Speaker 1: to this week. My assumption is that the New Orleans
Speaker 1: Saints are looking at this team and looking at Cam
Speaker 1: Fleming specifically those pass rushers, and saying, that's the guy
Speaker 1: that we're probably gonna have to play this thing. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have to be What does he not do well?
Speaker 1: How much confidence do you have in him to be
Speaker 1: able to be successful in that kind of scenario. I
Speaker 1: don't really put a lot of stuck get in that
Speaker 1: because I think most of the time, if you talk
Speaker 1: to somebody from the Saints, they would say, oh, Tyrant's
Speaker 1: gonna play. You know that. I don't think they still
Speaker 1: believe's gonna think that they believe that, and because they
Speaker 1: can prepare for that, and if they have to prepare
Speaker 1: and play against Fleming. That's fine, you don't you don't
Speaker 1: want it to be the other way around, and you
Speaker 1: start preparing for Fleming. I don't, really, I don't. I
Speaker 1: think there's too much put into that. I think that
Speaker 1: Cam Fleming is gonna have to go out and play well.
Speaker 1: He is what he is. He's a he's a kind
Speaker 1: of a he's not a journeyman yet, but he's that
Speaker 1: guy where he's kind of bounced around a little bit.
Speaker 1: He's pretty good, but he's not that great, and he's
Speaker 1: a backup lineman, and those guys get exposed if you
Speaker 1: leave him out there for too long, especially um, you know,
Speaker 1: got a Pro Bowl defensive end and Cam Jordan, who
Speaker 1: he actually he flip flops around on their defensive line.
Speaker 1: But i'd imagine he's going to get some run at
Speaker 1: right defensive end if Cam Fleming is playing, U feel
Speaker 1: better that he had, you know, a full week to
Speaker 1: take starters reps and get acclimated because he I mean,
Speaker 1: he said after the game on Thanksgiving that he didn't
Speaker 1: know he was going to be starting until he got
Speaker 1: to the stadium on Thursday, So that'll hopefully make a difference.
Speaker 1: I don't, you know, I don't think he's gonna look
Speaker 1: like Chad's green out there. And I hate for Chad's
Speaker 1: green that we're gonna say that for the Restord he
Speaker 1: just got signed. Yeah, he's in Oakland now. He was
Speaker 1: actually with the Saints for a little while, but good
Speaker 1: for him. I thought it was with the Saints. He's
Speaker 1: with Oakland now either though he just got signed yesterday.
Speaker 1: I just hate, like, fifty years from now on, you know,
Speaker 1: if Cowboys Break is still a thing, people gonna be like, well,
Speaker 1: the anniversary off Cowboys Break. Hopefully he's not gonna give you. Hopefully,
Speaker 1: he's not gonna get Chad's greened out there like he's
Speaker 1: the bar He's like, anything better than Chad's green than
Speaker 1: you're Okay, that's what happens, and have one of the
Speaker 1: worst games in history NASCAR break. Is that what we're doing?
Speaker 1: Fifty years, ten years from now? How about that? Okay?
Speaker 1: For a long time, For a long time, Chad's green
Speaker 1: will be the barometer there? Would you say? A little
Speaker 1: diego over there? That's what she says. Her kid's gonna be,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, really diego If I have a kid.
Speaker 1: I don't know why we're talking about that. Yeah, when
Speaker 1: I have a kid, my boy's gonna be named Diego.
Speaker 1: You guys sure do love to let us be on
Speaker 1: the road. I know, we just look for opportunities to
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes, Dave, um, I've lost my training. You know what,
Speaker 1: I think, Cam Flumbing will be fine. It makes it's
Speaker 1: all relative right, He'll be all right. It makes me
Speaker 1: wonder the severity of this injury because coming off the game,
Speaker 1: when you saw tiring fall on the ground, it looked
Speaker 1: pretty serious, it looked pretty painful. But then when he
Speaker 1: talked to the media, he basically said, I'm okay, I'm fine,
Speaker 1: And that's kind of the thing that he always says.
Speaker 1: And it's gonna keep Sam Yeah, yeah, And again, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, I would imagine this whole season he's been
Speaker 1: playing with some kind of pain already from the past.
Speaker 1: So to be painful enough or severe enough to where
Speaker 1: now it's keeping you off the field, what does that
Speaker 1: mean for the future, especially a guy that has already
Speaker 1: been dealing with injury. But again, you look at this
Speaker 1: game and you, guys, you and Dave said yesterday that
Speaker 1: this is not necessarily a game that you need to win. Therefore, yes,
Speaker 1: keep him off to the side. In case you do
Speaker 1: make it to the playoff, then you can just tell him, well, no,
Speaker 1: you need you need Well, here's still you need to win.
Speaker 1: You gotta win. You just don't think they will win.
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm talking about this specific game though. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree with you. Well we move on. If you
Speaker 1: know they can't handle that they lose this week, it's
Speaker 1: not the end. If they lose next week to Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: I believe their chances of then winning the division decreased
Speaker 1: significantly in my opinion. Now maybe it doesn't, but that's
Speaker 1: my opinion. So I'm way more concerned about what's going
Speaker 1: to happen against Philadelphia than I am what's gonna happen
Speaker 1: this week. I think you can set yourself up in
Speaker 1: a very very nice position by winning this week. But
Speaker 1: I don't think it kills you if you don't. That's
Speaker 1: the point, and that's why I would sit tyn Uh
Speaker 1: give him ten days to get ready for that game.
Speaker 1: You just you have to beat Philly. You don't have
Speaker 1: to beat the Saints. It would be fun. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: don't have to win. It would be good. It would
Speaker 1: be in a great position if you can beat them,
Speaker 1: you think they can beat them without Tyrant? Oh Philly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course they can't yet beat anybody. I mean, but
Speaker 1: that's not the point yourself about to have the best
Speaker 1: players possible healthy for the most important game. There you go,
Speaker 1: there you go, Okay, No, I mean, honestly, I just think,
Speaker 1: I honestly think that Philadelphia is the one that has
Speaker 1: the bull's eye on it. You lose that game, and
Speaker 1: it's it's to me, it's it's gonna make it very
Speaker 1: tough down the stretch for you to be able to
Speaker 1: win this division. If you're not, if you don't have
Speaker 1: that tige break over Philadelphia, I think you need it.
Speaker 1: I agree. All right, let's let's talk a little bit
Speaker 1: more about I guess the inactives. At this point, we
Speaker 1: know that those four Tavon, Austin, Sean Lee, David Irving,
Speaker 1: Jeff Swain will be inactive right now. If we had
Speaker 1: to guess, would you say Tyrant's probably inactive? If I
Speaker 1: had to guess, I think, so, okay, that gets you
Speaker 1: to five. I wouldn't. I would not put him on
Speaker 1: the list. I think you can get there without putting
Speaker 1: him on the list, just because because you've got Connor
Speaker 1: Williams as your own back up there, and he hasn't
Speaker 1: practiced all year. I mean, I would think you could
Speaker 1: probably put him in uniform like he did last week,
Speaker 1: and so you would just then go with the backup quarterback. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you can do it for sure. It kind
Speaker 1: of goes back to what Derek said yesterday though, like
Speaker 1: if he's not healthy enough to start, it reminds me
Speaker 1: of what I said about Travis Frederick too. Just remove
Speaker 1: the temptation to use him, Like if he's not healthy
Speaker 1: enough to start, then why it's he healthy enough to
Speaker 1: do anything? Because eighty percent Tyren Smith is good enough
Speaker 1: to start. Probably a seventy percent Tyren Smith is good
Speaker 1: enough to start if you tell him. He's a lot
Speaker 1: less than that as far as just his health and
Speaker 1: his ability to do things. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: want him out there at all, right, but I mean
Speaker 1: they he was active last week, so yeah, and you could.
Speaker 1: I mean, so Mike White'll sit. That gets you to five.
Speaker 1: Chris Covington is always a candidate to sit. You'd like
Speaker 1: to have more defensive or more linebackers than that, but
Speaker 1: you could sit him. You could sit the safety darry
Speaker 1: and Thompson. There's an easy way to get into the
Speaker 1: defensive line. You've I have a lot of guys there
Speaker 1: now because the typical comes back, you don't necessarily need
Speaker 1: could she got a lot of options of guys that
Speaker 1: you can make inactive, Plenty of options if you know
Speaker 1: what Tyran Smith. Because we're doing it then yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: keeping active because it doesn't make sense so that if
Speaker 1: he was to be inactive, the week to do so
Speaker 1: was last week, right, which is the closest to when
Speaker 1: his injury happened. Now, you're supposed to progress a time
Speaker 1: as time goes by. This is another week a head,
Speaker 1: so why would you make him inactive now? The thing
Speaker 1: you gotta remember, though, is when you're talking about stingers,
Speaker 1: when you're talking about anything that's nerve related, that's not
Speaker 1: like a typical let's say you gotta sprain knee that yes,
Speaker 1: over time is going to get better yet, but but
Speaker 1: I don't know that. But with nerves, it's not a
Speaker 1: thing where it's just like you can really say, well,
Speaker 1: it's better today than it was yesterday. Right, It's just
Speaker 1: it takes its own time to kind of get better,
Speaker 1: and and you might feel better today and then feel
Speaker 1: worse tomorrow. I mean, I've had some dealt with some
Speaker 1: stuff with nerves. Like it's all over the map. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's all over the map. You just don't Yeah it does.
Speaker 1: It really sucks because you might think you're starting to
Speaker 1: feel better, but then you know a day later you
Speaker 1: feel horrible. Right, So it's just I don't know. You
Speaker 1: just really don't know how that all plays out. And
Speaker 1: so I think I kind of agree with Dave that
Speaker 1: maybe just take away the temptation. But if you have
Speaker 1: the the inactives already and you just have the extra
Speaker 1: spot to make him active, there's probably no harm in
Speaker 1: making him. I just don't necessarily want to see him
Speaker 1: have to play if he's not healthy enough to start,
Speaker 1: is the way I look at it. Ten years ago,
Speaker 1: one of the worst losses ever that the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: had since we've been here was the game against the Rams.
Speaker 1: Remember that back in two thousand and eight, and Romo
Speaker 1: had gotten hurt a week before and they put him
Speaker 1: out in uniform, had a broken finger, and they put
Speaker 1: him in uniform for the game against the Old and
Speaker 1: four Rams, and they let Brad Johnson start a round.
Speaker 1: Terrible you just go with. And it was one of
Speaker 1: the worst losses. They lost by like twenty points, and
Speaker 1: Romo was in uniform the whole day and it was
Speaker 1: kind of he had been throwing passes and it just
Speaker 1: caused all this confusion. So now, like I kind of
Speaker 1: see your point a little bit there, because I remember
Speaker 1: that day was so frustrating. It was like, why would
Speaker 1: you even have him out there if you think he
Speaker 1: could maybe do something? At what point in this game
Speaker 1: do you not say, please come in and save us here? Right?
Speaker 1: Remember that? Yeah? I do remember that. Here's two sides
Speaker 1: to that too, because I mean, you know, if Cam
Speaker 1: Fleming is just getting his butt whipped and Tyrn standing
Speaker 1: there in uniform, yeah, or the flip side of that
Speaker 1: is Cam Fleming, you know, dislocates his finger and has
Speaker 1: to come out for a snap and tyr And is
Speaker 1: sitting even you know, you only need him for six plays,
Speaker 1: but he's unavailable and so you got to send Connor
Speaker 1: Williams out there to play tackle when Tyran probably could
Speaker 1: have gotten through a series. So six to one half
Speaker 1: a dozen together, which is why you know, people roll
Speaker 1: their eyes at that me included, You're like, who's a
Speaker 1: game time decision. Bs, But yeah, I think it probably
Speaker 1: truly is for him. You go out, see how it feels,
Speaker 1: see how he's moving, YadA, YadA, YadA, try to come
Speaker 1: up with can he start? Do you think he could
Speaker 1: give you fifteen plays if he needed to, and then
Speaker 1: you know, make your determination. Yeah, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: things that play there. I mean, like what's his range, emotion,
Speaker 1: we start talking about this kind of injury, like can
Speaker 1: he move his arm a certain way? How does it
Speaker 1: you know, all those things matter, and that probably is
Speaker 1: a day to day type thing. So it literally would
Speaker 1: be a get him out to the stadium tomorrow, test
Speaker 1: it out, see how he feels, see what his pain
Speaker 1: level is, like all those things, and then you have
Speaker 1: to make a decision on how much you think you
Speaker 1: can use him in whether like Dave says, maybe it
Speaker 1: is you feel like, hey, if he had to play
Speaker 1: a series, he could, If he felt if he had
Speaker 1: to play two series, he could, well, Okay, in that instance,
Speaker 1: maybe you make him in, you make him active, so
Speaker 1: if you get into that pinch, you can throw him
Speaker 1: out there for a little bit and help yourself. All right,
Speaker 1: let's take let's take our first break. We'll take an
Speaker 1: early break here. We'll come back, and I want to
Speaker 1: jump right into Dave scouting report on the Saints. He's
Speaker 1: going to tell us about the Saints defense and how
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Speaker 1: Back to the Break, Welcome back. This is the second
Speaker 1: segment of The Break live from the SWBC Mortgage studios
Speaker 1: at the Star, talking Cowboys versus Saints. That happens tomorrow night.
Speaker 1: It is a Thursday night football kick off with the
Speaker 1: Cowboys at home, and we'll get a chance to see
Speaker 1: how they perform against this ten and one Saints team. Dave, Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about the Saints defense. Let's
Speaker 1: do it. What you got? Um? Well, the big talking
Speaker 1: point that I think everybody's heard at this point in
Speaker 1: time is their run defense, which you know, anytime the
Speaker 1: Cowboys play a good run defense, it's gonna be much
Speaker 1: bally hood. I don't mean this in any disrespect to them,
Speaker 1: but it just it reminds me of the twenty sixteen Cowboys.
Speaker 1: I think it's really more of a product of how
Speaker 1: often they're playing with leads than that. It's just this
Speaker 1: impenetrable front so I'm just really curious to see how
Speaker 1: that plays out and see all you know, unstoppable force
Speaker 1: to move a blah object. I think the Saints, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys can have success against these guys.
Speaker 1: This is a talented group, but we've just we've seen
Speaker 1: them execute at two high of a level for the
Speaker 1: last three weeks for me to think the Saints can
Speaker 1: completely shut them down. Um, they're number one against the run,
Speaker 1: they're still their middle of the pack. Just as a defense,
Speaker 1: their secondary has been surprisingly bad because it was actually
Speaker 1: a strength last year. You know, they drafted Marshawn Lattimore.
Speaker 1: They brought in Marcus Williams, who I know he made
Speaker 1: the terrible play that lost them in the Minnesota game
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, but actually had a really great rookie
Speaker 1: season before that. Hold on, why are they bad? Dude? Like? What? What?
Speaker 1: What tells you that they're bad? They're giving up an
Speaker 1: average of three hundred yards per game, but the run
Speaker 1: defense is no, You're right, I mean their number, you're
Speaker 1: both of these are slightly skewed because of how teams
Speaker 1: have to play against. Yes, you are. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1: There is just I did an interview yesterday and they
Speaker 1: were like, there's a number one run defense. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: but I'm sure teams aren't just running the ball in
Speaker 1: the second and third quarter. You're absolutely right. The numbers
Speaker 1: are skewed because they pass a lot. They still give
Speaker 1: up big plays though, like they give up gains in
Speaker 1: coverage again, probably because opponents are throwing so much against them.
Speaker 1: And to their credit, it really seems like they're rounding
Speaker 1: into form over the last month or so, not so much.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, they gave up three hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy four yards to Matt Ryan, but they have forced
Speaker 1: eleven turnovers in their last five games. I believe eight
Speaker 1: of those are interceptions. Lattimore is a top ten pick.
Speaker 1: Williams is good. Kurt Coleman used to play with the Panthers.
Speaker 1: He's a veteran guy, and they traded for Eli Apple,
Speaker 1: who He's not lighting the world on fire, and he's
Speaker 1: probably the guy that you want to pick on in
Speaker 1: this matchup, but he is. He's playing better the longer
Speaker 1: he's there. Do they travel those guys like they travel?
Speaker 1: I think I think they would prefer not to. And
Speaker 1: I've talked to Brian about this. He thinks that, you know,
Speaker 1: let's if Amari Cooper has sets against Apple, he thinks
Speaker 1: they'll move Lattimore or they'll do something. But I don't,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think it's going to be a
Speaker 1: scenario where Lattimore just starts out going wherever Cooper goes.
Speaker 1: I think they'll adjust to that as the game goes along.
Speaker 1: And the good thing to note about about Cooper is
Speaker 1: that he can play all all the positions, so they
Speaker 1: can move him all across. So it makes it tough
Speaker 1: for teams to say, hey, we're just going to travel
Speaker 1: a guy, because now you may be traveling him all
Speaker 1: over the place, and that affects everybody else. You talk
Speaker 1: about this a lot nick Traveling somebody means that everybody
Speaker 1: else has to travel too. You're going to travel that
Speaker 1: one corner who's going to cover this receiver. It's one
Speaker 1: thing when that receiver stays in one place, like a
Speaker 1: Dez Bryant. When you got into Mark Cooper, who can
Speaker 1: play all the different positions, now when that guy moves,
Speaker 1: everybody else on the defense has to move and play
Speaker 1: another position. Couple other points. So, yes, these stats are
Speaker 1: a byproduct of how the offense is playing. I definitely
Speaker 1: believe that. Probably I wouldn't write it off that way though.
Speaker 1: You know, Lattimore is a much more talented corner than
Speaker 1: thirtieth ranked secondary would have you believe just because people
Speaker 1: aren't running on him. Cam Jordan is just fantastic like
Speaker 1: he Him and DeMarcus Lawrence reminds me a lot of
Speaker 1: each other, like they're they're highly drafted guys. What did
Speaker 1: he say this week? Then? Cam Jordan? Actually he had
Speaker 1: a good quote that was just kind of about, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're playing with a lot of leads in our offense,
Speaker 1: helps us, but we've played in some nitty gritty type
Speaker 1: ball games where we did our jobs really well too.
Speaker 1: And to that end, I looked this up. The three
Speaker 1: best rushing offenses they've played are the Rams, the Ravens,
Speaker 1: and the Browns. The Rams completely gashed him, which to
Speaker 1: that point, Rams ran at nineteen times for ninety two
Speaker 1: yards five yards to carry. That's exactly right, they just
Speaker 1: got away from it. Nowhere near as many rushing attempts
Speaker 1: as you would prefer, but against the Ravens and Browns,
Speaker 1: the eleventh and seventh best rushing games in football three
Speaker 1: point three yards per carry in three point four yards
Speaker 1: per carry, and those were one possession games that came
Speaker 1: down to the buzzers. So tell me the different. It's
Speaker 1: also between sure those runners, right obviously, yeah, I know, Uh,
Speaker 1: they don't have Zeke Chubb wasn't playing Willard Browns played
Speaker 1: that game at least not enough. Actually, I think Razorback
Speaker 1: was playing Alex Collins. Oh uh yeah Baltimore. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: probably Chubb had two carries for fourteen yards, so maybe
Speaker 1: they should have given it two more of Maybe that
Speaker 1: was a hint um. But Cam Jordan's outstanding. He's just
Speaker 1: he's much like DeMarcus Lawrence. He's underrated as a run defender.
Speaker 1: He's got eight sacks and that kind of steals the headlines.
Speaker 1: But he's great at creating penetration, setting the like. He
Speaker 1: doesn't give up the edge. It's hardly ever. And then
Speaker 1: Sheldon rankins, he is I want a defensive tackle like
Speaker 1: this on this Dallas defense. He's which you know, he's
Speaker 1: the twelfth overall pick I think, so that's not going
Speaker 1: to happen here, but uh, just big No, he's got
Speaker 1: seven sacks. He just destroys the interior the line. He's
Speaker 1: I mean, he's not like you know, he's not like
Speaker 1: Vince Wilfork. He's not like Buddy. He is a great
Speaker 1: trading I want that defensive to vincel for it. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean just everybody does, no, but just six oh see,
Speaker 1: six foot thirty pounds. I don't want that because of
Speaker 1: stubby little Yes, I don't want that. Vita vea perfect example,
Speaker 1: like the Bucks aren't even using him because in the
Speaker 1: modern NFL there's no use for that guy unless it's
Speaker 1: like short yardage, like he's got to come off the
Speaker 1: field off after second down. You'd rather have the guy
Speaker 1: that even though he may not be a just a fireplug.
Speaker 1: I want he's gonna get a feel a little bit more.
Speaker 1: Two hundred and seventy five pound guy who's gonna be
Speaker 1: on top of the quarterback before he's finishing and dropped.
Speaker 1: I'm on David Irving. Well, sorry, he's got a sprained ankle.
Speaker 1: Yeah he does. I don't know what you want me
Speaker 1: to say about that. Will he ever play for the
Speaker 1: Cowboys again? I just took us on a whole different
Speaker 1: path than where we were there. I'm just rounding it out.
Speaker 1: They get takeaways, Uh, they got a lot of it,
Speaker 1: doesn't It's not completely dissimilar to the Cowboys because they've
Speaker 1: got a lot of young draft picks who are rounding
Speaker 1: into playing that way. I mean, Cam Jordan's the old head.
Speaker 1: He's been there forever at this point. But Rankins was
Speaker 1: a sixteen draft pick. He's this is the first year
Speaker 1: he's really playing like that. Obviously, Lattimore and Marcus Williams
Speaker 1: are on the back end. Apples not their draft pick,
Speaker 1: but he's a young draft pick, first round right Apple. Yes,
Speaker 1: they brought into Mario O'Davis from the Jets. He's I mean,
Speaker 1: he's there, do everything guy, but a name I think
Speaker 1: people should know. Alexandz ALONEI third round pick last year.
Speaker 1: Always injured in college, like never played more than I
Speaker 1: don't think he ever played a full college season while
Speaker 1: he was at Florida, and that was kind of like, well,
Speaker 1: he's a great player if he can stay on the field. Well,
Speaker 1: he's been on the field this year. In their last
Speaker 1: four games, he's got twenty tackles, a pick, a sack,
Speaker 1: and two pass breakups. So he's a player when he's healthy,
Speaker 1: and he's healthy right now. He's got long, blonde hair,
Speaker 1: he can't miss him. So that's a guy that I
Speaker 1: would watch out for. But so young young defense that is.
Speaker 1: I think they kind of struggled at the beginning. I mean,
Speaker 1: they start the season by giving up fifty points in
Speaker 1: a loss. But they are playing much better. But I
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys are going to be able to run
Speaker 1: the ball on them straight up. Let me ask you this.
Speaker 1: Do you think that there will be any temptation on
Speaker 1: the part of the Cowboys to do what the Rams
Speaker 1: did and abandon the run because they see so many
Speaker 1: opportunities in the passing game? Is it one of those
Speaker 1: situations whereas the game wears on, you see, hey, we're
Speaker 1: getting understand my point. I understand my point. As the
Speaker 1: game goes on, if you're seeing receivers open a lot,
Speaker 1: then it starts making you think, hey, kill, kill kill,
Speaker 1: We need to throw right. Do you get baited into
Speaker 1: that to some degree because you start seeing all these
Speaker 1: opportunities if these numbers hold up from the standpoint of
Speaker 1: this past defense really being able to be gashed, do
Speaker 1: you find yourself in one of those games where it
Speaker 1: just kind of works out that when we've seen don't
Speaker 1: act like we haven't seen that before. We've seen situations
Speaker 1: where we look back at the end of the game
Speaker 1: we're like, get maybe not. And then that's my point,
Speaker 1: that's why I would be worried about it. But do
Speaker 1: you find yourself maybe in that situation where you just
Speaker 1: you're tempted to keep throwing the ball when you really
Speaker 1: should be running you No, you're right, that's what happens.
Speaker 1: That's what happens in football. So what happens in basketball,
Speaker 1: that's what happens in boxing. That's what happens when someone
Speaker 1: tries to get you out of your game and you
Speaker 1: get tempted to doing that. You're fast, you know, fast paced,
Speaker 1: up and down. You're like, wait, well, that's not what
Speaker 1: we need to do. So you're right about that. They
Speaker 1: don't need to be baited into that. I don't think
Speaker 1: the Rams were baited into that because that's what the
Speaker 1: Rams so they do, and I don't think they should
Speaker 1: have been afraid to go, well, we can go up
Speaker 1: and down the field. They got the number one pick,
Speaker 1: they got a great running back to so, but the
Speaker 1: Cowboys can't do that, And you're right, they need to
Speaker 1: make sure they don't do that. Run the ball, keep
Speaker 1: breeze on the sideline, cash it in, get touchdowns. You
Speaker 1: can't play that type of game. They don't have the
Speaker 1: type of guys that can go up and down the
Speaker 1: field and do that. Because even more, you keep throwing
Speaker 1: it to Dac over the middle, his ninety yard touchdown,
Speaker 1: great throw. He does that five times, it might get
Speaker 1: picked a couple of times. So you're playing with fire
Speaker 1: if you want to play that style, and I think
Speaker 1: the Cowboys would be would be foolish to get into
Speaker 1: a game like that. Also proven to win any game
Speaker 1: by playing that way. And another thing is it's dad,
Speaker 1: but would be careful the way he handles the ball
Speaker 1: right now, he's been lucky, you know, when he makes
Speaker 1: a fumble and somehow magically the ball just comes back
Speaker 1: to him. So that's another thing that he needs to
Speaker 1: be very careful when he starts feeling pressure. Keep in mind,
Speaker 1: also it doesn't look like it, but that game got
Speaker 1: away from the Rams. They were down thirty five fourteen
Speaker 1: at one point. They had to throw their way back
Speaker 1: into it. And I don't think the Cowboys are coming
Speaker 1: back from a twenty one point deficit the way that
Speaker 1: they're built, And that's I might be misremembering this, but
Speaker 1: like in the Dak Prescott era, have they ever I
Speaker 1: know they've gotten away from the run because they've been
Speaker 1: down or because they can't run the ball, but like,
Speaker 1: have they ever gotten into like a track meet type
Speaker 1: of game where Zach Za Dak is just zipping them
Speaker 1: down the field and Zeke is like an afterthought because
Speaker 1: recall it, it's not a thing that they do. Like it.
Speaker 1: When the Cowboys play in shootouts, they're stringing together you know, six, seven,
Speaker 1: eight or longer play drives that incorporate Zeke, Like that's
Speaker 1: how they they play winning football. When they were down
Speaker 1: in the playoffs against the Packers at home, yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't remember exactly, and I know they were down pretty
Speaker 1: big and one three at one point and all no Zeke.
Speaker 1: Zeke had so many fewer touches in that game than
Speaker 1: you would have preferred. I think that was one redected
Speaker 1: kind of have to throw. But I also think I
Speaker 1: also think if you're early in the game and the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are down let's say two touchdowns, I don't think
Speaker 1: they panic. I don't think they get into a situation
Speaker 1: where let's just throw our way out of it, and
Speaker 1: you can't. I think you have to actually slow it
Speaker 1: down at that moment. And by slowing it down, I
Speaker 1: mean now run the ball like run the ball and
Speaker 1: try to take a lot more time to move the
Speaker 1: ball methodically down the field. It's okay to get four
Speaker 1: yards and keep going and doing that consistently and drive
Speaker 1: the ball down the field. Second down is gonna be huge.
Speaker 1: I know we talk about third down a lot and
Speaker 1: first down. Second down is really important here because you
Speaker 1: get a three or four yard run on second and
Speaker 1: you know it's ninety's second and six, second and seven.
Speaker 1: What do you do there? Because if you can't get
Speaker 1: any more yards and now it's third down and we
Speaker 1: know what's going to happen there, they've got to keep moving.
Speaker 1: That's what happened on that long drive against the Falcons
Speaker 1: when they had about five first downs they were they
Speaker 1: were able to get it to third and two and
Speaker 1: third and one on productive second down plays. But we'll
Speaker 1: say this now that they have incorporated Mary Cooper, they've
Speaker 1: gotten a lot better with converting those third and six
Speaker 1: is third and sevens because he is he has been
Speaker 1: a conversion machine for him when it comes to third
Speaker 1: downs that end using zeke a little bit more out
Speaker 1: of the backfield. I think that gives them a few
Speaker 1: more options. But you're right, it's going to be very
Speaker 1: important for them to get manageable third down. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just about it. Well, I'm looking for the exact where
Speaker 1: was the ninety yard or Yeah, no, that ain't I
Speaker 1: mean you never want to You don't want to turn
Speaker 1: up your nose at a ninety yard touchdown, but two
Speaker 1: plays ninety one yards fifty five seconds, that's a bad
Speaker 1: thing in this game, Like you don't want that. Well,
Speaker 1: sounds like it's not a preferable thing. It's not a
Speaker 1: bad thing when you get a touch touchdowns are never bad,
Speaker 1: but you need to control the ball and the clock
Speaker 1: way more than that. Like, I don't this, I don't
Speaker 1: want to zip up and down the field. And that's
Speaker 1: the Atlanta blueprint is what I'm looking at. Like, and
Speaker 1: it's gonna be way easier said than done. But I
Speaker 1: think you win this game by scoring no more than
Speaker 1: twenty four points. Seen what then, like do that type
Speaker 1: of play where they throw for like, let's say runs.
Speaker 1: I'm not worried. I'm not worried about it happening. You're
Speaker 1: lucky if it happens, but and that's okay, it's happen
Speaker 1: in a game. Yeah, exactly, me too, But it's you're
Speaker 1: okay if it only happens once in a game. If
Speaker 1: you know, in that last game they still had two
Speaker 1: drives that I want to say, over seven minutes for
Speaker 1: each one of those drives, that's what you need to do.
Speaker 1: You just think to have two three, four drives in
Speaker 1: the game that are gonna take significant, significant amount of
Speaker 1: time and then you end with touchdowns. So that's the key.
Speaker 1: You gotta end with touchdowns when you have those long
Speaker 1: sustained drives. But if they can do that a few times,
Speaker 1: even if they get some quick strikes, which is always
Speaker 1: good too, I think you're still okay. It's just you
Speaker 1: can't do that all day because then you're gonna track
Speaker 1: meet and if you're in a track meet against Drew
Speaker 1: Brees and that offense, it's gonna be hard to win.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be very hard to win. All right, let's
Speaker 1: take um, let's take. Actually, I did have one other
Speaker 1: question for you, Dave on the Scoutter Report. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: looking at Cam Jordan alex Oka for Marcus Davenport, is
Speaker 1: this the best. Is this the best group of edge
Speaker 1: rushers the cowboys that face to see No, Okay, who's better?
Speaker 1: Clownie and Watt for sure? Okay, and I would throw
Speaker 1: um Washington. Washington's interior is really good. I don't know,
Speaker 1: you think they're edge guys are as good as these
Speaker 1: guys as well. I'm I mean, I have an immense
Speaker 1: amount of respect for Cam Jordan. I think Rankins is
Speaker 1: really good. Okah, for is fine, and I'm Marcus Davenports
Speaker 1: playing well before you got hurt, and he's got four
Speaker 1: sacks like he's he's been. He's been really good for
Speaker 1: a rookie who wasn't like the consensus number one overall
Speaker 1: pick Um Oh, Clowney and Wine. I think uh In,
Speaker 1: Gockway and Campbell are significantly better. I don't know about significantly,
Speaker 1: but like can't I really, I mean, I think it's
Speaker 1: a it sucks that Tyrant might not play because if
Speaker 1: he if he was playing, I think this was a
Speaker 1: pretty favorable matchup because I you know, Suaphilo has played well,
Speaker 1: and you got Zack Martin to handle Rankins, and then
Speaker 1: Cam Jordan is is far and away their best addresser.
Speaker 1: I mean, they only have thirty one sacks. Like they're
Speaker 1: not I think they're ranked fourteenth. They're not like this act.
Speaker 1: They're like one spot behind the scene the Cowboys. So
Speaker 1: um no, I think no. Well, the reason the reason
Speaker 1: I don't think, well, let me ask you the reason why.
Speaker 1: The reason why I ask that is because I'm looking
Speaker 1: at the fact that if if Tyron doesn't play, then
Speaker 1: now you're one step down there and the other area
Speaker 1: where you've had significant problem you still continue to have
Speaker 1: problems is at the right tackle position. If you've got
Speaker 1: significant pass rushers on the other team off the edge,
Speaker 1: now your weakest point on the offensive line is maybe
Speaker 1: where their strength is. That's the reason why I think
Speaker 1: that's the question you're saying is is they've made him
Speaker 1: better a little bit, that made him a little bit
Speaker 1: more a part of the game if Tyrn doesn't play
Speaker 1: in the way Lyle's plan. But I don't think that
Speaker 1: that makes them one of your you know, I think
Speaker 1: tougher duos because what happened in Houston, and I think
Speaker 1: Jacksonville was better Washington. I think it probably has you know,
Speaker 1: comparable defensive ends around the edge. But I yeah, Cam
Speaker 1: Jordan against Lyle and Cam Fleming could be problematic, but
Speaker 1: he can only be in one place at a time.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have a partner, I mean Clowney and Watt,
Speaker 1: that's gross. And Hilo, Yeah, Sue A. Philo has played
Speaker 1: you know well. He handled Fletcher Cox, which leads me
Speaker 1: to believe he can handle Sheldon Rankins. Right. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: less concerned about the interior. I'm way more concerned about
Speaker 1: what's happening on the edge. And Marcus, that report, I
Speaker 1: think is a guy that can't have an impact in
Speaker 1: this game. Every time I downplay somebody's players like they
Speaker 1: just blow up. So, now that I've said this, I'm
Speaker 1: sure Debt Marcus Davenport's gonna have five, but he's coming
Speaker 1: off an injury. He's a rookie like I would hope
Speaker 1: Lyle Collins can give better than he gets in that matchup.
Speaker 1: Cam Jordan will probably be problematic, especially if Tyrant can't play,
Speaker 1: but it's not something I think that the Cowboys should
Speaker 1: let ruin their game plan. I hope again, knock on wood.
Speaker 1: Now that I've said it's that's never good. All right,
Speaker 1: We're gonna go and take our final break. When we
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Speaker 1: We've gotten our Scotter report for both the offense, I
Speaker 1: mean for the offense yesterday for the defense today. Um,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna take some calls here at some point
Speaker 1: during the show, so feel free to call us eight
Speaker 1: eight eight eight five five two two nine seven before
Speaker 1: we get to calls. Though, I do want to talk
Speaker 1: about DeMarcus Lawrence. Yesterday. He had some interesting comments, and
Speaker 1: I think they were kind of uh. There's one comment
Speaker 1: that's getting a lot of play. There's another that's not
Speaker 1: getting as much play. But I think it's as important
Speaker 1: as the second comments. I'm gonna read the first comment
Speaker 1: that he made, and he said this team right here
Speaker 1: that we're going to face his hands down, if you
Speaker 1: really look at the details, the best team in the league.
Speaker 1: That's an important statement. On the other hand, here was
Speaker 1: this other comment, They're going to have to match our
Speaker 1: intensity for sixty minutes straight if they if you hit
Speaker 1: up mother um in the mouth and then they ain't
Speaker 1: doing what they're regularly doing, putting up fifty points, they
Speaker 1: start to get a little distressed. Now you got them
Speaker 1: where you want them at and then you um choked
Speaker 1: there out guys. I think that's a good idea for
Speaker 1: him to go that hard, and I guess with the media.
Speaker 1: As far as his comments about the Saints, I think
Speaker 1: it's great. I think it's awesome, but Also, I want
Speaker 1: to throw something else out there, which is it's not
Speaker 1: an idea. It's not like I really don't DeMarcus Lawrence
Speaker 1: didn't wake up and say like, I'm gonna let the
Speaker 1: Saints know what's up today. DeMarcus Lawrence is like one
Speaker 1: of the most authentic people I've ever been around. He
Speaker 1: can't be anybody but himself and and I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to call him stupid. He's not a stupid person at all,
Speaker 1: but like he's just going to tell you how he feels,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't matter if you're holding a recorder or
Speaker 1: if you've got a camera in his face. And I
Speaker 1: value that about him. I love it. There's there's so
Speaker 1: much phoniness and canned bs in sports, and I spend
Speaker 1: so much time rolling my eyes at the phony bs
Speaker 1: that I hear from most football players and coaches that
Speaker 1: I appreciate him saying something authentic and so I appreciated it.
Speaker 1: You know, I love DeMarcus Lawrence. I love his personality,
Speaker 1: he's attitude and everything. I love the comment he made
Speaker 1: was it last year when he was talking about the
Speaker 1: referee and you know, getting penalties and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I'm af or Yes, but this specific comment, to me,
Speaker 1: it was a little too aggressive, because the Saints they
Speaker 1: deserve that kind of respect. I mean, they've earned it
Speaker 1: this year. Like you, you should have respect for what
Speaker 1: they're doing. And no, and the fact that you're mentioning, oh,
Speaker 1: what they're usually doing putting up fifty points, that's pretty high.
Speaker 1: The fact that you said that, you know, they're pretty
Speaker 1: high up there. And even if you chucked them in
Speaker 1: the neck and let's say you hold them there for
Speaker 1: a little bit, they're still most likely going to get
Speaker 1: at least half of that, let's say twenty five points.
Speaker 1: So I think that was a little two out there.
Speaker 1: I can I just say this one thing, and I
Speaker 1: want to I want to clarify this a little bit exactly.
Speaker 1: I think it's been mischaracterized. I don't think that DeMarcus
Speaker 1: was saying we're going to choke out the sting Saints. Nope.
Speaker 1: I think what he was saying was this is a
Speaker 1: really good team, but if we're gonna have a chance
Speaker 1: of success, we have to punch him in the mouth.
Speaker 1: And then yea, if we can punch him in the mouth,
Speaker 1: then you see how they respond to that. If they're
Speaker 1: the kind that when they get punched in the mouth,
Speaker 1: they get distressed. Oh now we got them, right, And
Speaker 1: so I think what he's doing is he's painting the
Speaker 1: scenario of this is what we have to do, and
Speaker 1: this is how we're going to find out what kind
Speaker 1: of team they are. And then when we find out
Speaker 1: what kind of team we are, if they are the
Speaker 1: type that gets you know, messed up by us really
Speaker 1: you know, punching them in the mouth, then we have
Speaker 1: a shot, right. And so I don't think it's him
Speaker 1: going out saying we're going to choke them, but that's
Speaker 1: certainly the way it's being portrayed. And that's why I
Speaker 1: asked the question is it smart to do that? Because
Speaker 1: now if you're worried, if you're one of those people
Speaker 1: that worries about bullets and a board material, you've now
Speaker 1: given bullets and board material. Yeah, it's good to have
Speaker 1: that kind of attitude too, because you want to have
Speaker 1: that energy and that confidence, especially when you're playing against
Speaker 1: such a good team. But at the same time, let's
Speaker 1: say they are unable to do anything great against them,
Speaker 1: then you look dumb in a way. You know. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, like, it's good to be really confident. But
Speaker 1: you have to be careful when you're overly confident against
Speaker 1: the person that you're doing it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he cared, he wouldn't say it,
Speaker 1: Like if you're right, and that's a great thing about
Speaker 1: the market, Yeah, he wouldn't say it. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: the whole thing. I mean, the Saints don't need it.
Speaker 1: The Saints don't need that to get I mean, to
Speaker 1: get excited about this game that they should already be there,
Speaker 1: and you know, I mean it's all I mean, it's
Speaker 1: not even literal anyways. I mean, can't hit anybody in
Speaker 1: the mouth, that's obviously penalty. You're not choking anyone out,
Speaker 1: that's felony. So I mean, is that yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it's just football talk. Is he's talking about choking all
Speaker 1: the time. Yeah. Not. I just don't. I just don't
Speaker 1: think it's something that really, at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: affects one thing or another. I mean, I don't. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just him trying to get one excited. I hope
Speaker 1: it doesn't get the hot boys excited they should already
Speaker 1: be there. And I hope it doesn't get ram Check
Speaker 1: or whoever over there excited to block him. Although when
Speaker 1: you when you when your boy goes all in, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, if it's your boy and he's going all in,
Speaker 1: like yeah, we got we can, we can get with these,
Speaker 1: it does I think you talk about his leadership. I
Speaker 1: do think that that kind of thing can't have an
Speaker 1: impact on the rest of that defensive line to be like, man,
Speaker 1: we don't have to be scared of them. The other
Speaker 1: quote that you left out of there too, because I
Speaker 1: was there the reporter at the reporter basically was like, well,
Speaker 1: so what do you think about this offensive line? Is
Speaker 1: it the best that you've watched? Like eleven sacks blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. You know that nobody can get to Breeze
Speaker 1: and he to market as only he can say. He's like, Shi, t,
Speaker 1: I don't know, we haven't played him yet. And then
Speaker 1: you know, he's like, they haven't played us either, so
Speaker 1: and then he said he was like, come ask me
Speaker 1: when the game's over, and I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 1: I'll let you know, and he will and that's yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly like he can't be anybody but himself, and he
Speaker 1: said it is only DeMarcus can say it, but he
Speaker 1: basically just outlined the way you have to beat a
Speaker 1: team like this, Like he said it very aggressively. But
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, you gotta be physical with him, hit him,
Speaker 1: throw them off what they're used to doing, and see
Speaker 1: if you can frustrate him. He just said it like
Speaker 1: DeMarcus instead of that. So, hey, when you appreciate it.
Speaker 1: When you got a group of players that have to
Speaker 1: go and sit and watch Marionelli madness, they're gonna be
Speaker 1: a little bit aggressive. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: want to hear I don't want to hear a Rod Baronelli.
Speaker 1: He's like, you shouldn't have said that. We don't show
Speaker 1: me videos of lions disemboweling antelopes all right, eating them
Speaker 1: and then looking up with blood all over their faces
Speaker 1: smile like that. That's that's a part of what you're
Speaker 1: gonna get. You're gonna have a very aggressive group, right.
Speaker 1: I appreciate his authenticity. And Yeah, to Nix's point, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, if you need that to get hype in
Speaker 1: the NFL, then you got a problem. Yeah. So, and
Speaker 1: I honestly I don't I'm not one that buys much
Speaker 1: into the whole idea of bulletin board material, although I
Speaker 1: do think it just adds extra fodder, and I think
Speaker 1: it actually can work in the reverse. I think sometimes
Speaker 1: if you talk a bunch of smack before whenever you're
Speaker 1: going to compete against someone, if things start going bad,
Speaker 1: sometimes if you're the kind of person that gets worried
Speaker 1: about having to back that up, then it can cause
Speaker 1: you to make mistakes because you start pressing to try
Speaker 1: to make yourself right. I don't think that's DeMarcus at all. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't think he's that kind of I think he's
Speaker 1: gonna put it all earlier, he's gonna play the best
Speaker 1: he can play, and then when it's done, however it
Speaker 1: turns out if they don't play well, he will say
Speaker 1: we didn't play well himself a really big out too,
Speaker 1: because it's like, well, can you talk about the comments
Speaker 1: after this game, and in your comments he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I said if we could hit him in the mount,
Speaker 1: we didn't. We didn't, right, And that's exactly how he'll
Speaker 1: say it too. So I have no problem with a
Speaker 1: guy like it reminds me of It actually reminds me
Speaker 1: of Alvin Kamara, another guy who was just clearly, very
Speaker 1: authentic and true to himself. He's I mean before they
Speaker 1: played the Eagles, because he said last year, he's like,
Speaker 1: if we'd gotten to play the Eagles in the in
Speaker 1: the NFC title game, we would have beat the crap
Speaker 1: out of him. And it came back around on him
Speaker 1: before they played the Eagles, and he's like, yeah, so
Speaker 1: what we said we would have And then they come
Speaker 1: and they beat him fifty one to seven. So they
Speaker 1: come back after the game and say, so you were right.
Speaker 1: Guess you were right about that, Alvin. All right, let's
Speaker 1: jump into our predictions for the game. There we go.
Speaker 1: Let's start with Amber. Amber. It was not happy. Who's going?
Speaker 1: Who's going? What? Yeah? Game? Sorry? What do you have
Speaker 1: for this game? Who's gonna win? Oh? I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: to pick the Saints. I think it's it's hard not to.
Speaker 1: But again we've said, I don't think anyone of us
Speaker 1: would be surprised if the Cowboys actually did win this game.
Speaker 1: You would be going to be surprised, Yeah, gonna be Yes,
Speaker 1: I will be surprised if the Cowboys win the game.
Speaker 1: Who's not going to be surprised? I will. I won't
Speaker 1: be surprised. I won't be surprised. I won't be surprised.
Speaker 1: Then pick them no, because I don't think they're going
Speaker 1: to will be. That's like saying yes, it is. It's
Speaker 1: different from being shocked stunned. Now, just because just because
Speaker 1: you think something's gonna turn out away a certain way
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you're sur prize when it doesn't. Because sometimes
Speaker 1: you have to make a decision. You're like, I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna go this way, but I could vary. It's
Speaker 1: my game Saturday, Like, I think we're gonna get rolled
Speaker 1: by Oklahoma, but I wouldn't be shocked if we win.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I wouldn't be surprised if we I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be surprised if we win. I just kind of think
Speaker 1: we're gonna lose. I'm gonna call heads on this coin toss,
Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna be surprised if it's tails. Like
Speaker 1: there's only there's two possible out rights. I mean, no,
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't what's your story because Vegas
Speaker 1: doesn't have it as pick them and they would if
Speaker 1: you were flipping a coin. It's a seven point game,
Speaker 1: it's a one touchdown game. This is this in the NFL?
Speaker 1: You know that the seven points is the Saints should
Speaker 1: win the game. They should win the game. I think
Speaker 1: people are gonna be surprised if the Cowboys win. I
Speaker 1: don't know. The commentary I've heard from a lot of
Speaker 1: different people suggest that people expect the Saints to win,
Speaker 1: but they won't be surprised if the Cowboys win. Okay,
Speaker 1: and so I hate I don't know that it's either.
Speaker 1: I don't think it has to be either or in
Speaker 1: this situation, I hate to pull the cliche, but like,
Speaker 1: if I've learned one thing covering Jason Garrett's teams, it's like,
Speaker 1: how can you be surprised by anything they do, like
Speaker 1: the hood or bad, especially this year, Like you really
Speaker 1: don't know why they're going to be doing in each
Speaker 1: game week by week. Right, But but for the Saints
Speaker 1: to not win, then they're probably going to have to
Speaker 1: be held under thirty points or maybe even you know,
Speaker 1: and that would be surprising considering where they are. If
Speaker 1: the Saints score over thirty in the Cowboys match him,
Speaker 1: everyone's going to be shocked to see a thirty five
Speaker 1: forty point game like that for the Cowboys. If the
Speaker 1: Cowboys win forty five to forty one, I will be surprised.
Speaker 1: If they win twenty eight to twenty four, I won't
Speaker 1: be surprised. Okay, they haven't let a team score thirty yes, yes, okay,
Speaker 1: especially when you don't know what could happen on the
Speaker 1: game as far as injuries and stuff like that, you
Speaker 1: never know what could end up working in your favor.
Speaker 1: All right, So anyways, I'm picking the Cowboys. No, I'm okay,
Speaker 1: I'm picking the things I think. I'm curious to see
Speaker 1: how the Old Line is gonna play and if they're
Speaker 1: gonna be affected at all without having Tyren Smith there
Speaker 1: and being able to help out. Also, if so, if
Speaker 1: they do struggle, how Dak is gonna be able to
Speaker 1: react to that? Is you're gonna go back to that
Speaker 1: whole on confidencedness. I don't even know the right word.
Speaker 1: But but you got my point, keep going, you get
Speaker 1: the point, You get the point. But how that's gonna
Speaker 1: be affected, because once again we've seen that as soon
Speaker 1: as they mess with the old Line, that's when everything
Speaker 1: else starts to fall down. And so go seek obviously
Speaker 1: Dak and then for Amari Cooper. So it's all That's
Speaker 1: where the chain effect starts for me, and I'm curious
Speaker 1: about that. As far as the defense, and sorry I'm
Speaker 1: kind of rambling around, but as far as the defense go,
Speaker 1: I think they can do enough to hold up the
Speaker 1: Saints for sure. But if the offense is not able
Speaker 1: to help them out as well and do put part
Speaker 1: of their job, then they're screwed. All right, Dave, there
Speaker 1: are actually a couple of things that work really well
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys in this matchup. I think they'll be
Speaker 1: able to run the ball better than most teams have
Speaker 1: against the Saints. They do really well against pocket passing quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: It's the mobile guys that have really given them a problem.
Speaker 1: I think they can absolutely badger Drew Brees to Ron Armstead.
Speaker 1: You know, they got their own left tackle problems to
Speaker 1: Ron Armstad's probably not going to play. Trummond Bushrod, who
Speaker 1: got abused by DeMarcus Ware a decade ago, is going
Speaker 1: to probably be their left tackle in this game. So
Speaker 1: I think they'll be able to get to Breeze. I
Speaker 1: think they'll be able to run the ball. I think
Speaker 1: that they can at least make a spirited effort at
Speaker 1: playing like they did against Atlanta and keeping it in
Speaker 1: the load of mid twenties. I just I think too
Speaker 1: much has to go right. Like, you can't afford to
Speaker 1: struggle on offense, you can't afford three and outs, which
Speaker 1: we've seen too many times, even in the games that
Speaker 1: they've won. They've been good at taking care of the
Speaker 1: ball recently, but you can't lose the turnover battle. You
Speaker 1: can't struggle in the red zone and kick field goals
Speaker 1: against this team, which we've seen throughout the season, and
Speaker 1: so you know, I think it'll be a spirited effort.
Speaker 1: I think this is gonna be a really entertaining game,
Speaker 1: but you just got to play too close to perfect
Speaker 1: against these guys, and I think I think that'll be
Speaker 1: too much. At the end of the day, Saints thirty
Speaker 1: four to twenty four, and to Nick's point, it'll you know,
Speaker 1: it'll be a ten point win, but I think it'll be.
Speaker 1: I think it'll be close and crunch time, all right,
Speaker 1: I have thirty seven twenty four Saints. I just I
Speaker 1: don't think the kind of secondary is good enough. I
Speaker 1: think Byron Jones has done a job this year, probably
Speaker 1: because of our expectations more than anything, but he's done
Speaker 1: a nice job, and Anthony Brown and those guys, I
Speaker 1: think I think they're gonna have a hard time, and
Speaker 1: I think the Saints will will just keep scoring on him,
Speaker 1: and I don't think the Cowboys can can play a
Speaker 1: game like that. So I will be surprised for sure
Speaker 1: if the Cowboys win, because I'm picking a thirteen point
Speaker 1: win for the Saints and I actually just dropped it
Speaker 1: down in from the forties. So at thirty seven to
Speaker 1: twenty four, I just don't think they can hang with him.
Speaker 1: Hold on because Derek is about to tell you how
Speaker 1: they can. I am going to tell you how they
Speaker 1: can because when you look at this team, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: this is a different team. If the Cowboys would have
Speaker 1: had the team that they had now from the beginning
Speaker 1: of the season, I think this would be a different record.
Speaker 1: I think this team would be talked about as a
Speaker 1: different kind of team. So I think right now their
Speaker 1: record is what it is. They're six and five. But
Speaker 1: I do think that when you talk about the product
Speaker 1: on the field, think about it. The last three weeks,
Speaker 1: Cowboys are entering a lot closer to having an average
Speaker 1: of thirty points a game, which is much closer to
Speaker 1: what they were two years ago and four years ago
Speaker 1: when they had a really good team and it was
Speaker 1: built again around the running game. But they have a
Speaker 1: much better defense right now. I think that serves them well,
Speaker 1: and I think that gives them the opportunity to win
Speaker 1: this kind of game and reassert themselves as maybe they
Speaker 1: are a player in the NFC because of the changes
Speaker 1: that they've made. I think this offensive line is a
Speaker 1: ton better than what it was five weeks ago, and
Speaker 1: that's even without Tyren Smith. I think they're a lot
Speaker 1: better off than they were because the guard position has
Speaker 1: been solidified a little bit more. I think all those
Speaker 1: things Dave said all right. I think they'll be able
Speaker 1: to run the ball. I actually think they'll be able
Speaker 1: to pass the ball as well. I think offensively they'll
Speaker 1: be okay, as long as they don't end up having
Speaker 1: problems on the edge. That's the one area that I
Speaker 1: think could be a problem for the Cowboys that could
Speaker 1: hurt them Above and beyond what we already know of
Speaker 1: the Saints. Their offense is going to do what their
Speaker 1: offense does best. The Cowboys will do is slow them down,
Speaker 1: which I think they can do. I think it'll be
Speaker 1: a close game, but I think I just have this
Speaker 1: feeling this is a Cowboys win to other times I've
Speaker 1: seen this happened, like I've seen in the time I've
Speaker 1: covered the Cowboys. I've seen these games where the Giant
Speaker 1: comes to play the Cowboys, or the Cowboys go to
Speaker 1: play the Giant. And I'm not talking about the Giants.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the Giant team, the team that's undefeated,
Speaker 1: or the team that has one loss and they managed
Speaker 1: to pull off a win. I saw him do it
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis, like it's happened, and so I just have
Speaker 1: a feeling that this is this is setting up nicely
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys to get us, as Nick would call it,
Speaker 1: a surprise win. I did some research. I did a
Speaker 1: blog on this. The Cowboys have faced the team four
Speaker 1: times in the franchise history that have won ten straight games.
Speaker 1: They come in with a ten game winning streak or more,
Speaker 1: and they're two and two in those games they differed,
Speaker 1: which is probably pretty pretty good percentage. Defeated the Redskins
Speaker 1: in ninety one they were eleven and oh they defeated
Speaker 1: the Saints and oh nine, they were thirteen and oh
Speaker 1: they lost to the Panthers. In twenty fifteen. I did
Speaker 1: not remember that Carolina came in here, tend to No,
Speaker 1: I don't remember that. Thank Yeah, they finished fifteen and one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then they also face the Bears in eighty five
Speaker 1: and lost forty four to nothing. And that doesn't throw
Speaker 1: in the nine the nine win team Indianapolis team, aren't they? Like? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you count that team if you want to say nine,
Speaker 1: that's fine. All five of those teams made it to
Speaker 1: the super Bowl and four of them won it. I'm
Speaker 1: a big I'm a big believer, and within a league
Speaker 1: with this much parody, I like, probability means a lot
Speaker 1: to me, And like you, just you don't see even
Speaker 1: the best teams in the NFL. You don't see teams
Speaker 1: string together win streaks that go longer than nine or
Speaker 1: ten games very often. I mean the Patriots, it's too
Speaker 1: hard to do, the oh nine Saints one thirteen before
Speaker 1: the Cowboys beat them. But I mean, just based on probability,
Speaker 1: you play enough games in a league that this that, this,
Speaker 1: that is this, even somebody will find a way to
Speaker 1: beat you or you won't be on your game. Which
Speaker 1: again I hear what you're saying, and I obviously picked
Speaker 1: the Saints to win by ten, but I will not
Speaker 1: be surprised at but the same thing that you're saying
Speaker 1: about probability, and you're saying that basically it's hard for
Speaker 1: a team to win eleven in a row and all that,
Speaker 1: But a Jason Garrett coach cowboy team to win fourt
Speaker 1: eight games, Yeah, I mean six and five. They want
Speaker 1: to eleven that one time, thoughts, and then they lost
Speaker 1: to a could score more than seven points. What would
Speaker 1: have loss put them at six and six? All right,
Speaker 1: So let's real quick, let's get one question before we
Speaker 1: end the show. We got a call from Horace in Atlanta. Hey,
Speaker 1: what's up, gentlemen? Hey, real quick. Yeah, I think that
Speaker 1: we have a really good chance, and I really like
Speaker 1: our chances with our quarterback Jack, I think you all
Speaker 1: are kind of give him a loud not not enough credit.
Speaker 1: I mean, the guy has not played up to the capability.
Speaker 1: Because of that offers a line, and I think you
Speaker 1: all have mentioned that before. When the line is right,
Speaker 1: the play is right, the play of the quarterback is right.
Speaker 1: You know, offers a line in twenty sixteen is not
Speaker 1: the offensive line that we have today. And if you
Speaker 1: want to evaluate that line. With this line, you have
Speaker 1: to make everything equally. He's not playing with the level
Speaker 1: of talent that he had on that team. I think
Speaker 1: he's done really well. I think he's going to do
Speaker 1: really well in this game. He always plays well in
Speaker 1: the big game, and I love that about him. I
Speaker 1: hope that we resign him to a big contract because
Speaker 1: I think he is worth it and I think he's
Speaker 1: going to prove that this weekend. All right, thanks for
Speaker 1: the call, Horson. I just, you know, just remember exactly
Speaker 1: what was said in that call that you know about
Speaker 1: the big contract and all that. If the line is
Speaker 1: plays well, then he plays well. And I don't think
Speaker 1: that is the definition of an elite quarterback. That's okay,
Speaker 1: he can be really good and he can play really
Speaker 1: you know, he can play well at times. But if
Speaker 1: if you need that offensive line to elevate your game,
Speaker 1: then that just kind of goes to show where you
Speaker 1: sort of stand. I think guys like the elite quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: they elevate the guys around them. And Amari Cooper comes
Speaker 1: in and now he's playing better. That there's nothing wrong
Speaker 1: with that. It just goes to show that, you know,
Speaker 1: Dak need needs help. He does need help around him
Speaker 1: to be really good, and he needs a new coach.
Speaker 1: That's what he needs. He needs a new coach. And
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. The end of story. We've seen we've seen
Speaker 1: his talent. We've seen what he's capable of. I'll just
Speaker 1: tell you real quick. We've seen his talent. We've seen
Speaker 1: what he's capable of. You know he has it in him.
Speaker 1: He just needs to be better. Coach needs a new coach.
Speaker 1: We've seen what Christershar was able to do with Byron Jones.
Speaker 1: We've seen what the new offensive line has been able
Speaker 1: to do with this offensive line. Now, end of story.
Speaker 1: Just need someone in your ear that has the knowledge
Speaker 1: and he's able to direct you the right direction. You
Speaker 1: kick a lot of ant piles when you're a kid.
Speaker 1: You just can't help yourself by Yeah, I appreciate you, guys.
Speaker 1: We'll be back on Friday to tell you, guys what
Speaker 1: went right and what went wrong for the Cowboys. Still
Speaker 1: then for Nick Even, Dave helm and Amber Garcia. I'm
Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton. This has been the Break live on Dallas
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