1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: Body Dots with Joseph Scott More. I've always been a 2 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: fan of geography. I was a fan of maps for years. 3 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: I would look at any map, and I think that 4 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: may have translated over to my son, because now my 5 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: son is a GIS major. You know, he does the 6 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: geospatial information system stuff and finishing up college right now. 7 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: I'm so proud of him. And he makes maps. That's 8 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 1: kind of cool, I think, and he studies satellite imagery 9 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: and all of that. But one of the things I've 10 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: always been fascinated with regarding maps are looking at the 11 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: origins of things. And specifically, you say, well, Morgan, how 12 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: can a map have an origin? Well, the map itself 13 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: has an origin. But what I'm talking about are bodies 14 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: of water, particularly moving bodies of water, and those are 15 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: most of the time where they originate from. Those are 16 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: called headwaters. Today, I want to talk about the headwaters 17 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: of one of my favorite locations in the world, and 18 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: my buddy Dave Mack will attest to this, and that's 19 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: the Kusa River. The Kuser River starts way north of 20 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: where I live now, but I enjoy it all the 21 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 1: time of my old boat that I've got. But the 22 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:35,479 Speaker 1: Kuser River flows through a lake and it's a world 23 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 1: famous lake actually for a very specific kind of fish 24 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: called crappy. Yeah you heard that term, right, crappy crappy 25 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: South Louisiana we call them saku day. But what I 26 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: want to tell you about is something that happened in 27 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: an R and V park many many years ago, involving 28 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: one of the most notorious mass killers in the history 29 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: of the South. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is 30 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: body bags. Dave always talked about it. You know, I 31 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: love my boat, man, I love my boat. I love 32 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 1: my wife, I love my son and my daughter. I 33 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: love my grandbabies. 34 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 2: But your feelings for your bug go even deeper, don't they. 35 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 1: I tell you what. But you know the case that 36 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: we're or literally I'm doing a disservice by saying case. Yeah, boy, 37 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: I got to use not just little plural, I got 38 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: to use gigantic plural today, man, You know, because we're 39 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: talking about cases. 40 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 2: Talking about Mark Barton and the guy who pulled off 41 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 2: that's not the right term, but the guy who committed 42 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 2: the worst mass casualty shooting in the state of Georgia. 43 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 2: And that wasn't all he killed. That wasn't the only 44 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 2: time that he I mean, when we talk about a 45 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 2: mass killer of going in and killing a bunch of 46 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 2: people in one day or one spot, he is that guy. 47 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 2: But besides those that he killed in one spot or 48 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 2: two spots in a general vicinity in Atlanta, he had 49 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 2: already killed three others previous to that, and two others 50 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 2: previous to that, separated by a number of years. Mark Barton, 51 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 2: when I dug into this story, is the filthiest disgusting 52 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,959 Speaker 2: killer I've ever seen in all of the dealings we've 53 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 2: had to deal with Joe. Because he doesn't kill in 54 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 2: just one way. I don't know if you would call 55 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 2: him a spree killer, because he certainly kills his own 56 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 2: family members, He kills the people that he's closest to, 57 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 2: and then he kills people because he believes that they 58 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 2: did him wrong in business. This guy, if he wasn't 59 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 2: already gone from this earth by his own hand, yeah, 60 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 2: he would have been killed in prison because of all 61 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 2: the damage he did to innocent people who had nothing 62 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 2: but love for the guy. 63 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's look, I'm not going to diminish in 64 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: any way anyway. I'm going back to your comment about 65 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: prison if he had survived to that point. He's a 66 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 1: child killer too, Yes, I mean he is a child kill. 67 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: He killed Bookoo adults, but he and he possibly a 68 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: child molester. Yeah that yeah, I've been taking. 69 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 2: Through this story. His daughter at two and a half 70 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 2: years old, not in the middle of a divorce or 71 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 2: a custody issue or anything else. She uttered to a 72 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 2: teacher at daycare that her daddy molested her, and there 73 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 2: was an investigation. Now, I know I'm putting the horse 74 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 2: ahead of the card is in what you say, but 75 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 2: that was one of the many things I found out 76 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:57,799 Speaker 2: when we're talking about a child killer child. This guy 77 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 2: is the I did realize how bad he was, Joe. 78 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 2: I mean, I know we're dealing with our murderer, but sometimes, sadly, 79 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 2: we detach when somebody does something that just seems to 80 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 2: be like a shotgun approach to life. You know, they 81 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 2: just indiscriminately shoot people that they don't really have a 82 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 2: personal connection with. That somehow we separate those types of 83 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,799 Speaker 2: killers from those who do kill a family member, somebody 84 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 2: they have a relationship with, or the types of the 85 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 2: way that they kill. Normally, when we have somebody who 86 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 2: has committed more than one murder. They do have their 87 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 2: own SOP. They've got their own standard operating procedure or 88 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 2: modus operande. However, you say these things, you know that, 89 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 2: I mean, they do kill. They prefer a certain method 90 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 2: and they stay down that path. 91 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: They do. And you know one of the things that 92 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 1: and this listen, this term maybe it had been prior 93 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,919 Speaker 1: to me. Listen, I don't know everything. And if you 94 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 1: ever come across somebody that claims they do run away, 95 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: don't walk run away as fas as you can from 96 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: somebody that says they know everything. 97 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:12,479 Speaker 2: And they want to be president of the United States. 98 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 2: When they say those two things, I know everything, I'll 99 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 2: think every problem for me. 100 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go with there's a term that has 101 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: come up, and you're talking about familiarity relative to killers. 102 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: And I know you've heard this murder kit where they 103 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: have a set of tools that they operate with. And 104 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: we've heard this over and over again about serialized events 105 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 1: Israel Keys. Oh my gosh, yeah, yeah, exactly that the 106 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 1: and methodologies. Methodology is very dependent upon what the goal is. 107 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: And you can think about a spree killer. Could a 108 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: spree killer be could they have a murder kit. Well, 109 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 1: they put together a kit many times if they if 110 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: they've got multiple weapons with them, they won't fail safe 111 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: that sort of thing. Is that a murder kit? Yeah? Possibly, 112 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: But when you hear the term murder kit, you think about, well, 113 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: they've got tape, they've got bindings, maybe they've got things 114 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: to clean up with, and of course they've got weapons 115 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: that they prefer not something that's going to be a 116 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: weapon of convenience. But look, I got to take you 117 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: back in time. You know I was working. This goes 118 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: back to well, the main thing here is, you know, 119 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: we talked about the mass shooting that took place in Atlanta, 120 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: a senior investigator with the Medical Examiner's Office. Yeah, in 121 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine and what in what became known as 122 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: the Buckhead massacre. And it was a weird time back 123 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: then because just the week before the Buckhead massacre, we 124 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: had worked another massive loss of life event in southwest 125 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: Atlanta that I think, and I'm going to get this wrong, probably, 126 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: but I think it's referred to as the Mechanicsville masker, 127 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: and we had a whole family that was wiped out 128 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: in a tiny little home with one of the children 129 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: surviving an eleven year old that had hid in a closet, 130 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: and I actually got injured on that scene. I slipped 131 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: pulled a groin muscle. I was wearing a taivaksuit, and 132 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: there was so much blood in that house that when 133 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: I put my foot down in the hallway and they 134 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: were old heart pine floors that were polished, there was 135 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 1: so much blood, Dave that I slid and split the 136 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: taiveeksuit and pulled a groin muscle all at the same time. 137 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 1: And I'm wearing like a mask over my face. I've 138 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: got a headcover on, gloves, that sort of thing. And 139 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: I had to get myself out of the house and retool, 140 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: refit and get back in because even though I'd injured myself, 141 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: there ain't nobody else to do the job. You got 142 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 1: to get back in there. And I'll never forget that. 143 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: I preached that all the time, you know, so you 144 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:16,319 Speaker 1: got to you got to live by you preaching. Man, 145 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: If that's what you're going to do and you have 146 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: to stay on, it doesn't matter now. I mean, if 147 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: you lose lose an arm or something, you're obviously, but 148 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 1: if you can because no one has the mindset that 149 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: you do. If you're the primary investigator on a scene 150 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: and you've already seen everything. 151 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 2: Every minute gets further and further away from the moment 152 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 2: it happened, which means it's a change circumstance. Now it's 153 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 2: a change situation. 154 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: It does. And then the week the next week we 155 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: had the Buckhead masker with Mark Barton and it was 156 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 1: and it wasn't David. It wasn't just a single building. 157 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 1: He migrated from one spot to another, just raining down hell, 158 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: And we're talking about what was and most many people, 159 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 1: particularly those that are much younger in our audience, are 160 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: not even going to be familiar with this term. There's 161 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: a term called day trading. 162 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 2: Oh wow. 163 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: And you would go to you would go to a 164 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 1: specific location where they had dedicated computers and you had 165 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: to pay for time at this thing, and you would 166 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: sit down and you would do trades like you were 167 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: on the floor, you know, up at one and they 168 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: had the tickers everywhere and all this sort of thing. 169 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: But you were an individual doing this, and people would 170 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 1: do their own LLC's, you know, and just go to 171 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: the terminal is a dedicated terminal hardwired in and you'd 172 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:37,959 Speaker 1: be trading all day and. 173 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:41,559 Speaker 2: That's what Mark Barton did. He actually was a day trader. 174 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 2: He didn't start out that way. He did not start 175 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 2: out with a goal of being a Wall Street day trader. 176 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 2: By the way, when this happened, I remember how it 177 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 2: was covered in the media by people like me a 178 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 2: lot of because for many of us we heard of 179 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 2: day traders. If you remember back in the late nineties, 180 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 2: there was a lot of fast happening on Wall Street 181 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 2: and on the Nasdaq. There was so much happening because 182 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 2: of the tech stocks. 183 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: And oh yeah, there were everywhere. 184 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 2: We were on the front hand side of the bubble, 185 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 2: and boy, it was like people. 186 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: It was a wild wets man. 187 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 2: People were making hundreds of thousands of dollars with minimal investments. 188 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 2: It was a huge time. And Mark Barton in the 189 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 2: summer of ninety nine, this is two years before the 190 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 2: bubble burst, just to give you an idea, there were 191 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 2: ups and downs, but a lot of people were making 192 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 2: bank and Mark Barton, whatever he chose, was the wrong 193 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 2: way for a while, and he had had a number 194 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 2: of really down months financially as a day trader. That 195 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 2: brought him to a point of desperation. But Joe, I 196 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 2: don't know that that was the only reason when we 197 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 2: looked back at his life, this man had gotten away 198 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 2: with murder all before he ever pulled a gun on 199 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:06,199 Speaker 2: the people he blamed for losing money. He was already 200 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 2: a murderer who hadn't been convicted. 201 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:11,959 Speaker 1: And isn't that the fascinating thing about this you talk 202 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 1: about you know, we go on and on about people 203 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: that walk into businesses and schools and all these horrible 204 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: just tragedies that happened, and people hold on to your 205 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: hat here, Dave, I got to tell you, even though 206 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: you're not wearing a hat, I'm looking at you right now. 207 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: It's almost wrote now. Because it seems like every talking 208 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: head in the media will always ask this question. They'll say, 209 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: were there warning signs? 210 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 2: He was always such a nice guy. 211 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. In this case, Dave, Oh, let me tell you something. 212 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: There were warning signs. And those warning signs came in 213 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: the form of a double homicide at the headwaters of 214 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: the Coosa River, Cherokee County, Alabama. David, I wanted to 215 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:20,839 Speaker 1: go down this road with you about Mark Barton because 216 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: I was sitting here and I was thinking how the 217 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: buckhead mask her this summer, it will have been a 218 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: quarter century since that happened, and I still I still 219 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 1: remember all of my colleagues that were involved, you know, 220 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: there physically on the scene. We were back in taking 221 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: the bodies at the morgue, you know, trying to make 222 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 1: sure that we could get people identified because it's a 223 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: total just for neetic mess and it was horrible, these 224 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 1: things that we were witnessing. But Dave, I got to 225 00:13:55,080 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: tell you when we found out about the suspect in 226 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 1: the shooting and that he also had two open homicides 227 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: that had been laid at his feet, that already thought 228 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 1: that and they they they had happened six years earlier. 229 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: And that's the reason, you know, I made the comment about, oh, gee, 230 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: were there any warning signs. It's not like he's you know, 231 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: running around the neighborhood nicked and howling at the moon 232 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: or anything. No, nothing quite that subtle. We're talking about 233 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: somebody that went to a campground, went to a campground 234 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: and killed his then wife and mother in law with 235 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: a Charlotte instrument. 236 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 2: Was allegedly because he was never convicted of that crime. 237 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 2: He's dead now and he was only the only suspect 238 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 2: they ever had. And you you know, the warning sign. 239 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 2: I actually pulled this quote, Joe because I wanted to. Yeah, 240 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 2: it was. You're talking about his wife and her mother. 241 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 2: It's Liberty weekend there at Weis Lake up in Cherokee County, Alabama, 242 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 2: and his wife and her mother are murdered inside the 243 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 2: camp the trailer and his father in law says, until 244 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 2: the murders, Mark was the perfect son in law until 245 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 2: the murders. Until Mark was the perfect son in law. 246 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 2: So how did they die? Because there was no forced entry? Right, 247 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 2: wasn't it didn't it look like a robbery? 248 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, and there was, But there was even jewelry and 249 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: like six hundred dollars cash left behind. I don't know 250 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: if it's thief, No, they generally don't, and also thieves 251 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: that force You think about force entry and people, you know, 252 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: literally kicking indoors. I've had this happened. I've had people 253 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: throw stuff through windows to gain access to individuals and murdering, 254 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff like that that you see out there. 255 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: But anytime that we have no no signs of force entry, 256 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: and that's always our qualifying remark, no signs of fourth 257 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: century of struggle. You always hear that in every. 258 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 2: One of these, Is it really that figures that a 259 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 2: TV thing? 260 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: No, No, it's it's it's true the TV world took 261 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: that from us. It's something that's a canned comment that 262 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: is made throughout the country. I've come across a review 263 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: and reports. But you know your state. You're making a 264 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: very broad assertion here that upon my initial observation this 265 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: blood bath that I wound up walking into, I didn't 266 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: see any fourth entry, you know, or now as far 267 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: as the struggle goes, there was blood that was essentially 268 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: cast off all over the bathroom mirror, you know, in 269 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: this place. And here here's the thing. They didn't find 270 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: a weapon either, but they kept saying I've heard I've 271 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: heard people say that they were bludgeoned, and I've had 272 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: other people say that it was sharp force, and I've 273 00:16:55,440 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: heard hatchet. And this is from a forensic standpoint. One 274 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: of the things that you get with a hatchet or 275 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: an axe is that when you start doing these strikes 276 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:11,959 Speaker 1: on an individual, it has a let's see, how can 277 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: I put this? It will have features sometimes of a 278 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 1: blunt force. Okay, because you're coming down if you just 279 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: imagine just imagine a hatchet right now, something you buy 280 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: a big box store or whatever. It's got a single blade, 281 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: and then you think about the backside of it. Okay, 282 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:33,439 Speaker 1: that backstrap on it, that's very weighted. That's the reason 283 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: axes are made that way. They're like a gigantic steel 284 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 1: wedge that you can drive through the air and cut something. Well, 285 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: sometimes they get twisted, you know, as this fevers thing 286 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 1: that's going on. You're not always going to hit perfectly 287 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 1: with that leading edge, so you'll get these big nasty contusions. 288 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: Now you will get a leading edge there that's kind 289 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: of clean. If they can drive that edge through the body. 290 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 1: And when you see what's really impressed so is you 291 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: go down to the bone and if you do like 292 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 1: a microscopic section a cross section of the bone, when 293 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: you're looking at it, David things, it looks like the 294 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 1: V hole on a boat. It's got a perfect V 295 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 1: shape in there, and it kind of trenches out. But 296 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 1: then you'll get these little spider web fractions fractures rather 297 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: that run away from it. And so that and since 298 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 1: they didn't leave leave a weapon at seen, one was 299 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:36,159 Speaker 1: not recovered. I think that's that's where the pathologist at 300 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 1: the time back in ninety three when they were doing 301 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: the autopsies on both his wife at that time and 302 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 1: the mother in law. They were thinking, hey, you know, 303 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 1: we don't have the weapon, but boy, this shared us 304 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: look like an axe or a hatchet here because you're 305 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: going to get these these two injuries that kind of communicate. 306 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: But here's the big question. And you know me, brother, 307 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: you know I hate the word why I do. Let's 308 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: say what what would have been the motivation of Mark 309 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 1: Barton killing these two women? 310 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 2: Well they found out pretty quick, but they think it 311 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 2: was the motivation. 312 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, yeah, I'll let you do this big reveal 313 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 1: because I got to tell you. You know what they say, 314 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: the root right, the root of what you know. So 315 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 1: you go back and you think about the later day 316 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: trading career that he was to have. 317 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 2: The love was money, friends. He There were two things. One, 318 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 2: as they began investigating, okay, that no sign of forced entry. Okay, 319 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 2: I read this in the report on the police investigation. 320 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 2: They found out though immediately since there's no forced entry, 321 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 2: who did they know that would have access? Okay? What 322 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 2: kind of relationship does he have with his wife? And 323 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 2: you know they were looking at his father in law too, 324 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 2: because you know his wife's dead didn't, So they're looking 325 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 2: at these guys in Low and Bold. They find out 326 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 2: four days ago, four days ago, Mark Barton took out 327 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 2: six hundred thousand dollars life insurance policy on his wife. 328 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, there's ding ding ding number one. Deborah 329 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 2: Barton has six hundred thousand life insurance. So they talked 330 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 2: to the insurance company and find out, well, he actually 331 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,880 Speaker 2: wanted a million, but he couldn't cover the payment, so 332 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 2: they settled for six hundred thousand dollars. That was their 333 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 2: first tip off of who their suspect might be. Now, 334 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 2: taking it a step further, they looked at the crime scene. 335 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 2: A purse had been dumped out of Eluise Spivey, the 336 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:44,120 Speaker 2: fifty nine year old mother of Deborah Barton. Her purse 337 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,640 Speaker 2: is dumped out, and it's made to look like a robbery. 338 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 2: The problem was, yes, there were a couple of pieces 339 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 2: of jewelry missing, but there's an envelope with six one 340 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,439 Speaker 2: hundred dollars bills in it, and no robber in his 341 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 2: right mind is leaving cash. It just ain't gonna happen. 342 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:02,719 Speaker 1: No, And and most of the time when you get 343 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: these kind of robberies, these home invasion kind of robberies 344 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: like this, And there have been a there have been 345 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: these things where you will have r V parks, we'll 346 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: have like ne'er do wells, they're like camping out in 347 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 1: the woods adjacent to it. Lots of times their druggies 348 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 1: and these things are generally very violent. But Bubba, let 349 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: me tell you something. They're not walking out of that 350 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:30,120 Speaker 1: scene without without everything of value. They're like vultures. They'll 351 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 1: pick over everything. And so when you you know, you 352 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: had pointed out, well, why would they leave cash behind? Jewelrys? 353 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: One thing? You gotta take jewelry to either somebody that 354 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: convents jewelry or somebody or to a pawn shop, and 355 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: that's gonna that's going to catch people's eye. Cash. Yeah, 356 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: but you've got the green bags, baby, you can go 357 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: spend that anywhere you can go. You can go to 358 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: the you can go buy a pack of gum with it. 359 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: Next thing, you know, you got you know, eighty dollars 360 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: in cash. Well, i'll say eighty that a lot of gum. 361 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 2: But as you're walking, yeah, but you're spending it as 362 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 2: you would leave. You know, you don't have to do 363 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 2: anything cash is king. But yeah, when they start investigating, 364 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 2: and again this wasn't they didn't solve it. They had 365 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 2: a suspect in Mark Barton. But according to the investigators 366 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 2: in the share, they all everybody was looking at Mark Barton. 367 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 2: I mean, the family was everybody liked him for this crime. 368 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 2: And you know, I still can't find out, Joe and 369 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 2: I have looked for this. His alibi was that he 370 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 2: was home Marietta or just outside of Atlanta with the 371 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 2: two kids, two children very small, very small? Did he 372 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 2: bring them with here and go there? You go and 373 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 2: leave them asleep in the minivan while he sneaks in 374 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 2: the middle of the night and destroys his wife and 375 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 2: her mother, And then I mean, he's going to have 376 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 2: to be covered in blood. How does he get out 377 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 2: of the camper without being covered in blood? 378 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: Joe, it's bone chilling, and he yeah, he would have 379 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 1: had to have had because listen, if if you're going 380 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,959 Speaker 1: to attack somebody with a weapon like this, they're not 381 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: just going to sit back and allow you to attack them. 382 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: They're going to see it coming. They're gonna throw up 383 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,120 Speaker 1: their arms, they're going to try to move. By the way, 384 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 1: it's not like a static thing where you know, like 385 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: if you've got oh let's just use an example of 386 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 1: an axe, you've got a piece of wood before you, 387 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: or maybe you're chopping down the tree. Well, you can 388 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: hit the trees manytimes, you won't. You can take chunks 389 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: out of the tree. Ain't gonna move human beings when 390 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: they're hit with an edged weapon. Trust me, those pain 391 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: centers are firing and they're trying to get out of 392 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 1: the way. This is something Dave that has always held 393 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: through in my career. I see, you know, I'll think 394 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: about it. I'll think about it when I'm in the 395 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 1: because you are, you're literally in the wake of these 396 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: horrific events and you're looking at it and first off, 397 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 1: you're thinking about the person. You're thinking, does your mind work? 398 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: You know, what were you thinking? And you see the 399 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: through line in it sometimes and you're thinking, Okay, you're 400 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: you're a deputy sheriff in a small rural community in Alabama. 401 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:26,199 Speaker 1: Can you imagine showing up at that RV park and 402 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: you know, most of the time you've got people and 403 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 1: it's the world. It's the crappy capital of the world. 404 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: I think they call it up there on lake Wise. 405 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: People come there to catch this specific species of fish, 406 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: and they're. 407 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 2: Everywhere panfish guys, you see, you. 408 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 1: Know, yeah, and like a march yeah yeah, like a 409 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: bluegill on the gigantic. And so you've got like what's 410 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: starting in late February, March and going into April they're 411 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: going on bed and then there's another thing that happens 412 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 1: in the fall. I'm not completely familiar with it, but anyway, 413 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: the most you're going to you know, if you're you're 414 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: gonna say do you have a fishing license? Or what 415 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: are you doing here? Why are you drunk out here 416 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 1: in public? Because they're going to camp out and all. 417 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: But can you imagine being a deputy and you walk 418 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: into this RV and the thing is bathed in blood 419 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: and this person's a ghost. They've just vanished into thin air. 420 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 1: What I'm not asking you to put on Mark Barton's 421 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: hat here, but I got to ask you, what do 422 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 1: you think his motivation? Well, I mean, what do you 423 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 1: what do you do with the rest of your life 424 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 1: at that point in time. 425 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 2: After you just destroyed your wife and her mother. If 426 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 2: I'm at the mother of your children, by the way, 427 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 2: you know, I believe those two children in the car. 428 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 2: I believe those two children were asleep. I believe that 429 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 2: Mark Barton hopped back in his Ford Taurus, which was 430 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 2: fairly new at the time, and stripped off whatever he 431 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 2: wore to cover himself while he was in there. He 432 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 2: wasn't a stupid guy, knew what it was like to 433 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 2: wear lab stuff, and hopped out in the car and 434 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:59,679 Speaker 2: drove home. And Mark Barton was the suspect. He was 435 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 2: their own only suspect. And there were some things that 436 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 2: happened in the investigation. They brought him in. Now, father 437 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 2: in law he said he was great right up till 438 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 2: the murders. You know, great son in law. Mark Barton 439 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:15,120 Speaker 2: would not take a polygraph. So uh, father in law 440 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 2: not happy about that. His wife and his daughter are 441 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,679 Speaker 2: dead and the one guy won't take a polygraph. 442 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: So oh they're chewed to pieces. Yeah, they're absolutely And 443 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: you know, the father in law had to go back, 444 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 1: he had to see that RV. Oh. You know, that's 445 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: something he had to live with. So I can only 446 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,120 Speaker 1: imagine when this guy is refusing to take to take 447 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,160 Speaker 1: the polygraph. And here's another thing. And I can say 448 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: this as being you know, being a papa. Now, can 449 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 1: you imagine what's going on in your mind as a 450 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 1: grandfather and you're like, yeah, this animal has my two 451 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: grand babies. Yep. 452 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:57,199 Speaker 2: And that led to a battle, Joe. Actually after the death, okay, 453 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 2: after police the guy took out a six hundred thousand 454 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,640 Speaker 2: dollars life insurance policy. His wife's now dead. Four days later. 455 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 2: After he takes that out, there was a battle. There 456 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 2: was custody issues over the children. Mark Barton was the suspect. 457 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 2: They couldn't pin it on him, Joe. The thing is 458 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 2: he was living in Lithia Springs, Georgia, and you had 459 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 2: the Alabama officials out of Cherokee County, Alabama. They're investigating 460 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 2: a murder there. But now you've got the Georgia officers 461 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 2: are involved in the investigation because that's where he lives 462 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 2: and that's where evidence might be. Evidence might be in 463 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 2: his car. Well, here's the problem, and I'm going to 464 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 2: throw this out there because we've got to move on. 465 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 2: Alabama investigators. You know, they get a search warrant for 466 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 2: the car, They get his floormats out from his car. 467 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 2: But you know what, they got the formats because it 468 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 2: look like I have bloodstains on it. They let him 469 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 2: keep the car Joe, Yeah, and said just don't wash 470 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 2: it or anything. Oh, don't clean your car, don't do anything, 471 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 2: and we'll be back later. So when they did come 472 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,400 Speaker 2: to get it, he had spilled coke and thing else. 473 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 2: Everything was destroyed in there that could have been any 474 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 2: of any value. 475 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, you know then, you know I have 476 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,160 Speaker 1: to go back and it's easy to Monday morning quarterback. Yes, 477 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,160 Speaker 1: I know, but you're thinking. And here's the thing they 478 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 1: did find. They found blood evidence in there, and this 479 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: gives you an idea as to how far technology is 480 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 1: advanced blood our since then. It gives you an idea 481 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: how what size of blood these blood droplets were back 482 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,159 Speaker 1: then during that period of time, if you wanted to 483 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 1: do DNA typing, you you probably would have had to 484 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 1: have had a sample that would have been about the 485 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: size of a quarter. Okay. 486 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, now this is pre OJ trial too, so we 487 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 2: didn't know about a lot of this. 488 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: Yeah you didn't. I mean, we knew about it in 489 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: forensics obviously, but the sample size had to be really robust, 490 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 1: you know, and you compare it till to day. If 491 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: we find the most minuscule just taking something it can 492 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: be tested, and so. 493 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 2: Touch DNA might come up in the coburger trial, just saying. 494 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah gee you think, yeah, yeah, it's going 495 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: to come up, you know, Joe. 496 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 2: I noticed that when they got the car back finally 497 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 2: the cops got he had the gas and brake pedals, 498 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 2: had been thoroughly cleaned and recently conditioned with armorole everything 499 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 2: in that car gone, so it was no use. But 500 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 2: the thing is he was still the main suspect and 501 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 2: the police were fighting every which way they could. It 502 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 2: was the police that actually helped the insurance company do 503 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 2: battle with him. The insurance company didn't want to pay out. 504 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 2: They did not want to pay out. 505 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 1: I think they had like a negotiated settlement. They did. 506 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: They had agreed. They had agreed at least to put 507 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: like one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars in a 508 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: trust for those kids. 509 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 2: I think it was a six hundred thousand dollars policy. 510 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 2: They negotiated it to four hundred and fifty thousand, but 511 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty thousand of this goes into a 512 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 2: trust for your kids. Ye, you can have access to 513 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 2: three hundred thousand, sign off on it, and we'll walk away. 514 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 2: That's what they did. So what did Mark Barton do? 515 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: Well? 516 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 2: The first thing is within a week of the funeral 517 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 2: of his wife, the mother of his children and her mother, 518 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:12,239 Speaker 2: LeeAnne Vanderver, a girl that he had met on his 519 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 2: sales trips, you know, when he was worked as a salesman. 520 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 2: She starts spending days over there, nights over there at 521 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 2: his house in Lofia Springs, the home where his wife 522 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 2: had just been. Within six months, she moves in with him. 523 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 2: So the girl that they suspected he was having an 524 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 2: affair with police did moves in with Mark Barton within 525 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 2: six months of the passing of his wife. Now, LeAnn 526 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 2: Vanderver was considerably younger than Mark Barton at the time 527 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety three, he was thirty eight. Leanne Vanderver 528 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 2: was Let's see, she had been twenty one and him 529 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 2: been dating for two years, so she was nineteen when 530 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 2: he's in his late thirties and they're dating behind his 531 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 2: wife's back. She moves in when she's twenty one and 532 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 2: thirty eight thirty nine. 533 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm not a big fan of the term 534 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: dating when you're married. Yeah, Yeah, it's like, you know, 535 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: it implies something else. I mean, and this guy's a 536 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: real scumback, you know, because he's running around on his 537 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: wife with these two babies, and he you know, obviously 538 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: butchers his wife and and his you know, and his 539 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: mother in law. And I'm thinking about this young woman, 540 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 1: and she's an adult. She's made this decision to be 541 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: with him, and I'm thinking, wouldn't you at least have 542 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: an inkling of what he was in? You know, what 543 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: happened to your first wife where she I know you 544 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: were married, you know what's the story. Well, now all 545 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: of a sudden, she's got an instant family, doesn't she. Yep, 546 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: because he's retained two kids. Yeah, she's retained these kids. 547 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: I mean, he's retained the kids. They're domiciled with him 548 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: and her to whom he gets married. And they leave 549 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 1: Lithia Springs, which is if you're not familiar with Atlanta, 550 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 1: there's Marietta, which is kind of a big area. It's 551 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: kind of to the northwest of Atlanta. Lithia Springs is 552 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: even further west, and so that means it's closer to Alabama. 553 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 1: You think about the pathway he would have taken getting 554 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 1: from eastern Alabama, which is where Lake Weiss is to 555 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 1: Lithia Springs. It's very easily done. It's not a heavy lift. 556 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: Even on back roads. You could get there really, you know, 557 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,719 Speaker 1: pretty quickly. But you know, they leave there and they 558 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 1: wind up going down to Stockbridge, Georgia, which is completely 559 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: well if you think about a clock face, and Atlanta's 560 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: right in the center of it. Marietta is about at 561 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: the eleven o'clock position, Lithia Springs is at about the 562 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 1: ten o'clock position. Stockbridge is at about the five o'clock position. 563 00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: So it's on the other side of the clock face 564 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: from from where they were. So he moves and again 565 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: it's another suburb. It's along the ICE seventy five corridor, 566 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: just on the south side. He lived off of the 567 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 1: I seventy five corridor on the north side before that. Okay, 568 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: so he can and it's easy. I mean, it's a 569 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 1: commuting distance from Atlanta. You're doing business in Atlanta. So 570 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: he sets up, they sets up. 571 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 2: He uses the money, the insurance money to set himself 572 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 2: up as a day trader. He takes Joe, we noticed 573 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 2: we got it down to he had three hundred thousand 574 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 2: dollars in that payout. He takes two hundred and ninety 575 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 2: four thousand dollars of that money and puts it into 576 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 2: his day trading account. He's going to be a big 577 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 2: man on Wall Street. And oh my goodness, Joe, it 578 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 2: didn't take long after he and Leanne van Dervert when 579 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 2: she becomes Leanne Barton and stepmother to Matthew David Barton. 580 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 1: Who is. 581 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 2: He's looking up to his You know, they were both 582 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 2: the kids were too young when their mother passed away. 583 00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 2: Michelle was two and a half, Dave was five, so 584 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 2: they were very young. Matthew David rather very young when 585 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 2: their mother passed away. Now they've got a stepmother and 586 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:13,359 Speaker 2: their dad and stepmom is young now. In their first 587 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,400 Speaker 2: couple of years together, Joe neighbors said, it was pretty 588 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,840 Speaker 2: routine for her to leave and there to be a 589 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 2: fight on the neighborhood street. Now that's why I read 590 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 2: some comments from neighbors the week of the massacre talking 591 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 2: about what kind of person Barton was. Go back and 592 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 2: talk to him later on, and they're like, no, man, 593 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 2: They were constantly fighting. She was always threatening to leave 594 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 2: or leaving. She spent a lot of time. There was 595 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 2: even discussion that by the time of July twenty seven, 596 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety nine, Leam Vanderver was no longer living with 597 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 2: Barton all the time. And that's where he wakes up. 598 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 2: July twenty seventh, nineteen ninety nine. Mark Barton wakes up 599 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 2: in his bed. His wife Leanne is there, and according 600 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 2: to his own actions, his own words here, Mark Barton 601 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,720 Speaker 2: begins the killing spree. He kills his wife in her sleep. 602 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 2: It says he bludgeoned her. He bludgeoned his second wife 603 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 2: in her sleep. He stuffs her body in a closet 604 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 2: in the master bedroom yep, and goes on about his 605 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,760 Speaker 2: married way. Nobody knows about this on July twenty seventh. 606 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:29,880 Speaker 2: That morning, the next day, July twenty eighth, nineteen ninety nine, 607 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 2: Mark Barton kills his children from his first marriage, Michelle 608 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 2: who was eight and Mark David, who was eleven. He 609 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,720 Speaker 2: kills both of them by beating them in the head 610 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 2: with a hammer and then dunking their bodies in bath 611 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:53,879 Speaker 2: of water to make sure they were dead. 612 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 1: They were drowned. Yeah, Can I interject something here? There 613 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 1: was Yeah, when this occurred, and remember this occurred, it 614 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 1: was like a two and a half day period relative 615 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:11,360 Speaker 1: to relative to the murder of his second wife, these kids, 616 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,759 Speaker 1: and then leading up to the Buckhead massacre and eventually 617 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:20,840 Speaker 1: his own death. You come through an event like the 618 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 1: Masker and Buckhead where you've got nine people that are 619 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 1: essentially shot to death in two separate locations. And for 620 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,759 Speaker 1: those that aren't familiar with Buckhead, Buckhead is like the 621 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:38,400 Speaker 1: upscale area of Atlanta. Okay, you're young, you think that 622 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,279 Speaker 1: you know you're going to be, you know, the top 623 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 1: of the heap, and that's that's where you would want 624 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 1: to move. It's where all the clubs are and all 625 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. So these two businesses are up 626 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 1: there and they're both day trading businesses. They're kind of 627 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:55,719 Speaker 1: across the street from one another. It was during that 628 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,880 Speaker 1: period I remember talking to a colleague of mine that 629 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:04,840 Speaker 1: was like the lead on to these bodies, and I 630 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:09,759 Speaker 1: remember them saying at the time, Dave, that when we 631 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 1: got the news, after we had spent all day out 632 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 1: at the scene processing these scenes, and these scenes are surreal, 633 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:18,759 Speaker 1: you know again. 634 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,879 Speaker 2: Talking about at the Buckhead, at the Okay, at. 635 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,239 Speaker 1: The yeah, at the at the scene, there was like 636 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 1: this moment in time after they're done with this where 637 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:35,319 Speaker 1: they're told, Oh, by the way, the bodies of his 638 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 1: current wife and his two children have been found beaten 639 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:46,360 Speaker 1: to death and stacked in a closet. And it's like, 640 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:51,239 Speaker 1: I'm just talking about from an investigative perspective here, Dave, 641 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:58,120 Speaker 1: when when this occurred. If you if you didn't think 642 00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:59,799 Speaker 1: that the wind had already been taken out of your 643 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 1: you're emotionally drained because you are after working scene because 644 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,920 Speaker 1: they're very intense. And keep in mind when the shooting 645 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,440 Speaker 1: took place, this is hours and hours before Mark Barton 646 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 1: would die himself. You think that you still have a 647 00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,920 Speaker 1: mad and they did. You still got a madman on 648 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,040 Speaker 1: the loose. You're going to have to push this through 649 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 1: all the way through, work the scene, do the autopsies, 650 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 1: collect all of the evidence that you can, and then 651 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,719 Speaker 1: hopefully they can catch this guy in prosecuting. Well, that's 652 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 1: the mindset they were in, and they're thinking, you know, 653 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,319 Speaker 1: oh my god, we've got there's three more bodies down 654 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,120 Speaker 1: in Henry County, which is where Stockbridge is, and that 655 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,760 Speaker 1: was worked by a separate agency along with the GBI. 656 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,759 Speaker 1: So it's hard to take the measure of it, is 657 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:41,320 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. 658 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,879 Speaker 2: We know that. So he kills his wife one more 659 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,800 Speaker 2: in her sleep, then he kills the children while they're sleeping, 660 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 2: and then he So the twenty seventh is wife, twenty eighth, 661 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,800 Speaker 2: the kids. Then the twenty ninth is when he goes 662 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 2: into town and where he has by the way, he's 663 00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:00,960 Speaker 2: lost his money. Every money's gone. He had blown one 664 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,040 Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars in the last couple of months. He 665 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,360 Speaker 2: shows up at the first place that he did a 666 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,920 Speaker 2: lot of trading at was Momentum Securities. At Momentum Securities, 667 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 2: he had been there twice that week and they were like, 668 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,239 Speaker 2: you had a margin call, you got no money. He 669 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,640 Speaker 2: writes a fifty thousand dollars check to open up his account, 670 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,920 Speaker 2: so they get trading again and it bounces, so they're like, no, 671 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:26,000 Speaker 2: you can't do that. Well, when he shows up, they 672 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,960 Speaker 2: know him because he has been trading with them. When 673 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 2: he shows up on the day of the twenty ninth, 674 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:36,640 Speaker 2: he walks in and he's talking, he's talking to people 675 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,600 Speaker 2: like everything's just fine, just normal, and then he pulls 676 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:43,680 Speaker 2: out guns. Joe. Now so far we know that allegedly 677 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,960 Speaker 2: he kills his first wife and her mother with a 678 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,000 Speaker 2: hatchet or something in a very confined area and leaves. 679 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,080 Speaker 2: He's killed his second wife and his own children with 680 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:59,319 Speaker 2: a hammer and leaves. So you would think he would 681 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,400 Speaker 2: stay along that same line, that he would use a 682 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,920 Speaker 2: hammer or something to start beating people, but he doesn't. 683 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,839 Speaker 2: He actually breaks out the guns when he gets at 684 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:09,040 Speaker 2: momentum securities. 685 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,880 Speaker 1: I think that this is evidence of and this is 686 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 1: kind of obvious, I know, but it's evidence of an 687 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,759 Speaker 1: escalation relative to how much have it and how much 688 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,080 Speaker 1: hell can I can I reek upon this world that 689 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,200 Speaker 1: I hate so badly? Wow, because I have been robbed, 690 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,480 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna try. And you know, look, blunt force 691 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,319 Speaker 1: is brutal. We know that sharp force is brutal, but 692 00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:38,840 Speaker 1: it's hardly efficient. Okay, medieval times they fought with with 693 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,320 Speaker 1: with blunt objects, and they fought with swords. We've moved 694 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:43,879 Speaker 1: now to firearms. 695 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,880 Speaker 2: He shows up to you're in a camper, We're in 696 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,719 Speaker 2: a neighborhood home. Right, people are going to hear a 697 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,160 Speaker 2: gunshot and remember it, Yeah, not going to hear a 698 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,959 Speaker 2: hit to the head with a hammer trying to cry. 699 00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you would. And I think they you know, 700 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 1: with his his children and his second wife he ran 701 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:06,920 Speaker 1: that risk because they were living in an apartment. If 702 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,319 Speaker 1: you've ever I'm sure everybody in our you know, sound 703 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,160 Speaker 1: of the voice, have at least been in an apartment. 704 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,120 Speaker 1: You can hear what's going on on the other side 705 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:17,400 Speaker 1: of the wall. I hated living in apartments anyway, you know, 706 00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,640 Speaker 1: but that's the nature of it. Look, when you show 707 00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,840 Speaker 1: up with firearms like this and you're going into a business, 708 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:30,400 Speaker 1: uh establishment here, your purposed at that point. And you know, listen, 709 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,040 Speaker 1: I don't want to I don't want to forget people 710 00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:38,160 Speaker 1: in this because we've got nine victims of the shooting 711 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,400 Speaker 1: by itself, but Dave, there were like I think there 712 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:45,160 Speaker 1: were like double digit people that were injured. And you know, 713 00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,279 Speaker 1: in addition to this, in the office parks here, so 714 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,880 Speaker 1: he's he's raining, you know, he's raining down havoc. In 715 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:57,200 Speaker 1: this environment, people are scurrying everywhere. There's a classic image 716 00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:01,760 Speaker 1: you can see him leaving on a cc TV camera footage. 717 00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 1: You know, he's like it's a still shot. It's black 718 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:08,040 Speaker 1: and white. Yeah, and he's wearing like a white T shirt, 719 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,319 Speaker 1: pair of shorts, pair of tennis shoes or whatever. Very 720 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,319 Speaker 1: you know, like if you saw him, he's not going 721 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,200 Speaker 1: to look like you know, some some kind of ogre 722 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,000 Speaker 1: coming out of the past, you know, or you know, 723 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,399 Speaker 1: somebody lives in their bridge and each billy goes, you're 724 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:28,800 Speaker 1: talking about somebody that just looks like John Key public 725 00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,680 Speaker 1: that walks in here, and it's Satan incarnate at this 726 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:39,080 Speaker 1: point in time, I think. You know, later that same night, 727 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:41,600 Speaker 1: you know, they they tracked him down. You know, he 728 00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,040 Speaker 1: tried to kidnap. He tried to kidnap a girl. So 729 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,080 Speaker 1: he goes into momentium securities. He kills four, wounds others. 730 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,560 Speaker 1: He then walks across the street to an all Tech 731 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,560 Speaker 1: investment group, makes him a small tech with the small 732 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,480 Speaker 1: truck with the receptionists there, nobody knows what just happened 733 00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,000 Speaker 1: in momentum, nobody knows his wife and kids are dead, 734 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,520 Speaker 1: nobody knows any of that's going on. And he breaks 735 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,040 Speaker 1: out the guns and starts firing. Now, this all happened 736 00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:05,720 Speaker 1: very quickly. 737 00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,080 Speaker 2: The murders a momentum and then the shooting that takes 738 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,840 Speaker 2: place at all Tech Investment Group where five people are 739 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,080 Speaker 2: murdered there. Right, Yeah, because he had a total of 740 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,920 Speaker 2: nine people murdered. I don't know totals on how many 741 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:21,640 Speaker 2: people were wounded, people that are still mentally, emotionally scarred 742 00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:25,440 Speaker 2: for life, for life. So he leaves there. Now this 743 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,480 Speaker 2: is when he hops in his mini van and takes 744 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,279 Speaker 2: off and they get him. Are they chasing him right 745 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:31,040 Speaker 2: off the bat Joe. 746 00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,600 Speaker 1: They're looking for him, and everybody knows what he's driving. 747 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,960 Speaker 1: And I remember that going out on the air. You 748 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,160 Speaker 1: know they're looking for this minivan. I think it was white, 749 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:42,640 Speaker 1: and so you're going to put out an APB, the 750 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:47,120 Speaker 1: all Points bulletin, and you know that he's not going 751 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:48,160 Speaker 1: to stay in the city. 752 00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,719 Speaker 2: They knew his name though, didn't they, because people that 753 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:51,719 Speaker 2: survived knew him. 754 00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:56,600 Speaker 1: That's that's Mark Barton, mark O Barton, I think it's 755 00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,799 Speaker 1: or and or something like that, And so they, you know, 756 00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,520 Speaker 1: they know who this guy is. It's not like he's 757 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,719 Speaker 1: somebody that walks into I don't know, into a big 758 00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,160 Speaker 1: department store just off the street. He's gone to a 759 00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:13,680 Speaker 1: place that he's familiar with and that is familiar with him, right, 760 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:19,239 Speaker 1: and he's he begins to rain down this terror and 761 00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:25,120 Speaker 1: it's at that moment time as he's fleeing and I'm 762 00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,560 Speaker 1: not really clear about the dynamics but I know that 763 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,759 Speaker 1: I have, if memory serves me correctly, from that day 764 00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:36,200 Speaker 1: he had made an attempt to kidnap a girl to 765 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,160 Speaker 1: get her into the vehicle with him, you know, to 766 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,400 Speaker 1: kind of take a hostage, I guess as a shield 767 00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:42,200 Speaker 1: or something like this. 768 00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,520 Speaker 2: And she funny when you mentioned the apb Okay. Yeah, 769 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,200 Speaker 2: there was four hours of searching for him from the 770 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,440 Speaker 2: time he left All Tech Investment Group. They knew who 771 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,400 Speaker 2: they were looking for, they knew what he was driving. 772 00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:58,879 Speaker 2: Four hours of metro Atlanta and surrounding areas terrorized by 773 00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,160 Speaker 2: a guy who has just shot up two different businesses. 774 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,000 Speaker 2: They don't know what's coming next. They're looking for him, 775 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:06,760 Speaker 2: and that's when he ends up in Kennesau. And where's 776 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,440 Speaker 2: Kennisau in relation to Buckett? 777 00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:12,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, if you think about Kennisau kinnisaw Is you remember 778 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,480 Speaker 1: how I mentioned Marietta earlier, Well, you have to go 779 00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:19,919 Speaker 1: pasted on. If you think about seventy five that runs northwest. 780 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,680 Speaker 1: As you're leaving out of Atlanta, you're going to first 781 00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,439 Speaker 1: pass Marietta and then you're going to go up even 782 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,880 Speaker 1: further and you're going to get to Kennesau. Okay, And 783 00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:33,120 Speaker 1: so kennisauw Is further north and so he's cruising along. 784 00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,960 Speaker 1: The police are on him. He pulls over into a 785 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,440 Speaker 1: service station. It's already dark outside by this time. 786 00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,640 Speaker 2: He tries to take that young girl hostage. 787 00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:45,399 Speaker 1: He did, and they wind up surrounding She bought to 788 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:46,239 Speaker 1: think against She. 789 00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,360 Speaker 2: Got away and she called police that they didn't know 790 00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,399 Speaker 2: he was there, They didn't know they were looking. They 791 00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,799 Speaker 2: were all looking for Mark Barton in a white mini van. 792 00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,520 Speaker 2: They didn't know where he was exactly until that girl. 793 00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,720 Speaker 2: She's a hero because there's no telling he was trying 794 00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,960 Speaker 2: to take her hostage to maybe be a negotiation, a shield, 795 00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,800 Speaker 2: I don't know. But she calls the police and say, 796 00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,320 Speaker 2: I got him. Here he is and they they were there. 797 00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,080 Speaker 1: Right right on top of it, and they did surround him. 798 00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,719 Speaker 1: That night, They've got police surrounding the vehicle and he 799 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,239 Speaker 1: makes the decision, you know, to put the weapon to 800 00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,280 Speaker 1: the side of his head and kill himself. I'm Joseph 801 00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,840 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan and this is body bags