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Speaker 1: Appreciate all of you listening to us. The most recent

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Speaker 1: a little bit like taking a small dose of poison

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Speaker 1: every day and you just develop a tolerance for it

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Speaker 1: that would kill your average person, right, Because every now

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Speaker 1: and then somebody comes into the arena and they say

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Speaker 1: they want to be, you know, in the same business,

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Speaker 1: and then they look at their mentions after they say

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Speaker 1: something opinionated and they just immediately retreat and they don't

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Speaker 1: have any interest for it. What was it like for you,

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Speaker 1: Because one of the things that's fascinating is you manage

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Speaker 1: your own social media accounts, your own Instagram accounts, your

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Speaker 1: own Twitter accounts, your Facebook accounts, everything else. How did

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Speaker 1: you get used to handling the degree of vitriol that

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Speaker 1: may have bothered me for a couple of days, but

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Speaker 1: quite frankly, I was much more interested in the comments

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Speaker 1: that I got from people in the military, in law enforcement,

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Speaker 1: from you know, that middle American silent majority that I

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Speaker 1: grew up in and saying thank you for saying what

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Speaker 1: we wanted to say. I pay far more attention to

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Speaker 1: that than I do the haters in the backlash. And

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Speaker 1: I know a lot of people say that they don't

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Speaker 1: care what people think. I promise you play, I don't

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Speaker 1: care whether these people think. I really don't when they

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Speaker 1: when they say awful things about me, it's like, well,

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Speaker 1: I must have struck a nerve. And at the end

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Speaker 1: of the day, in my business, that's what I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to do. I'm not trying to intentionally be a shock jock.

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Speaker 1: I mean everything that I say, but if someone doesn't

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Speaker 1: like it, listen, I do a political commentary for a living.

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Speaker 1: If you like everything that I'm saying, there's a problem.

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Speaker 1: So it's never really bothered me. I have a rhino

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Speaker 1: sick skin, and at this point it's so conditionally I

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Speaker 1: know you're used to this as well, that I just

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Speaker 1: don't care anymore. Be sure to catch live editions of

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Speaker 1: Out Kicked the coverage with Clay Travis week days at

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Speaker 1: six am Eastern three am Pacific. So this is fascinating

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Speaker 1: to me because my wife says that's my superpower, and

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Speaker 1: it doesn't seem to me like a lot of people

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Speaker 1: claim that they don't care, but I I just really

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Speaker 1: don't care, you know, And I don't really understand why

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Speaker 1: that is. And we're talking this is Wins and Losses,

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Speaker 1: and we're talking with Tommy Laurin. Tommy like, why do

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Speaker 1: you think we have that? Right? Like, is there something

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Speaker 1: wrong with us? Because I and I think it's a

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Speaker 1: positive for what we do in the universe in which

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Speaker 1: we're in. And I think being opinionated and being willing

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Speaker 1: to say exactly what you think and being fearless regardless

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Speaker 1: or or you know, basically any opinion base. Have you

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Speaker 1: really set down? Because every now and then I'll get

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Speaker 1: deconstruct it. But it's not something that I have created.

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Speaker 1: It's just the way I think that I've always kind

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Speaker 1: something that you kind of got used to. You live

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Speaker 1: I think it did toughen me up a lot. I

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Speaker 1: think I was kind of a pussy when I went

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Speaker 1: away to school, like many people are when they're like

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Speaker 1: eighteen or nineteen years old, And like, do you think

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Speaker 1: that that going to Vegas, which is kind of a

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Speaker 1: we're actually just that's our personalities and it just kind

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Speaker 1: of reveals it how I spent a lot of time

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Speaker 1: because I do think it's the single most valuable at

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Speaker 1: your work. Hard is number one. Number two is you

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Speaker 1: can't allow people to get in your head and bother you.

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Speaker 1: And I think those are the two most valuable attributes

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Speaker 1: to success in a media age now. Absolutely, and there

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Speaker 1: probably is something wrong with us. I don't know what

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Speaker 1: in the leftist mob. There needs to be some of

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Speaker 1: us who has that, because if there weren't, we'd be

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Speaker 1: completely drowned out. There has to be some people that

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Speaker 1: are I don't even want to call it grave because

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Speaker 1: don't care and don't give any f I think there

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Speaker 1: needs to be some of us, because if there's not,

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Speaker 1: then antide is not represented. So I take it as

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Speaker 1: a badge of honor if I if I need to

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Speaker 1: be the one that's controversial enough to say blue lives

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Speaker 1: matter and stick up for law enforcement and love the

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Speaker 1: flag and believe that our nation needs to have a

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Speaker 1: border and the gun rights are important. If that makes

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Speaker 1: me hated by some people, I'm pretty okay with that.

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in

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Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Fox Sports

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Speaker 1: Search f s R to listen live. We're talking to

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Speaker 1: Tommy Lauren. This is Wins and Losses Podcast. I'm Clay Travis.

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Speaker 1: Al Right, so you're at O A N. You start

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Speaker 1: to have some success. What happens next, Well, then I

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Speaker 1: was kind of face with a decision if I was

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Speaker 1: going to stay there and kind of just stay in

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Speaker 1: my comfort zone and it was in San Diego, beautiful

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Speaker 1: place to live, or I was going to do something different.

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Speaker 1: I really feel like I capped out my potential there

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Speaker 1: and it would have been comfortable to stay there. They

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Speaker 1: offered me in our three year contracts for quite a

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Speaker 1: bit of money. When you're twenty two years old and

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Speaker 1: money and comfortable. But I just didn't want to be comfortable.

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Speaker 1: I always want to challenge myself, and I think for me,

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Speaker 1: that's the biggest thing I always asked myself, is what's next?

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Speaker 1: Because I never want to feel stegnant. And so the

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Speaker 1: opportunity presented itself for me to go to the Blaze.

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Speaker 1: Fox News wasn't quite ready for me yet. I was

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Speaker 1: too young, I understand. So I took that jump, in

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Speaker 1: that leap and moved to Dallas and started my show

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Speaker 1: like the Blaze. So what happens in Dallas? What do

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Speaker 1: you do with the Blaze? That's different than O A.

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Speaker 1: And that's when I first met you. I went on

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Speaker 1: your show a couple of times and I remember being like, man,

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Speaker 1: this girl is pretty fearless, right and uh. And so

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Speaker 1: you were in Dallas and we overlapped with friends there

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Speaker 1: in Dallas. I think you got into the sports circuit

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Speaker 1: a little bit, you know, some of the cowboys and

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Speaker 1: some of the people in in that universe, and we

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Speaker 1: started to overlap there a little bit with sports. But

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Speaker 1: and certainly the Colin Kaepernick issues all start to arise

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Speaker 1: in sports becomes intensely political. So that's how we initially met.

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Speaker 1: What kind of success did you have at the Blaze

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Speaker 1: and how was it different than what might have been

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Speaker 1: happening at O A. N. I had a lot of

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Speaker 1: fun at the Blaze because that was in the high election.

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Speaker 1: And believe it or not, even though I worked at

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Speaker 1: a conservative news network, I was the only Trump supporter

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Speaker 1: on air. Everyone else in that building hated Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: Blendeck himself had a deep hatred for Donald Trump. He

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Speaker 1: was the quintessential never Trumper, and everybody else in that

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Speaker 1: building was too. And now they'll try to deny it,

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Speaker 1: They'll try to pretend that they were on that Trump train.

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Speaker 1: They weren't. It was just me. And so I was

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Speaker 1: at that conservative network being the only Trump supporter, and

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Speaker 1: I had so much fun during that election. And then

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Speaker 1: of course we had um Beyonce super Bowl performance. I

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Speaker 1: did some final thoughts about that, landed my voice in

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Speaker 1: Colin Kaepernick did some final thoughts about that puts a

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Speaker 1: lot of people off. And then we had the election

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Speaker 1: of Donald Trump. So that was really one of the

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Speaker 1: greatest times in my career. I had so much fun

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Speaker 1: doing it. You know. I would have Nightline come and

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Speaker 1: interview me at my house, and it was a great

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Speaker 1: time until at all abruptly ended. So I'm gonna go

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Speaker 1: back to election night. Did you expect Trump to win? Like?

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Speaker 1: Deep down, I'm not talking about publicly where some people feel,

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Speaker 1: you know, like, oh, I'm supporting this guy, so I

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Speaker 1: don't want to say anything negative about his chances. Were

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Speaker 1: you surprised or did you think that he was going

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Speaker 1: to win that night? I thought it could go either way.

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Speaker 1: Of course, we know that the poles are telling us

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Speaker 1: there was no shot in hell. That night, I felt good.

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Speaker 1: So when the states started coming in we started winning,

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Speaker 1: it was amazing. I remember sitting there with one back

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Speaker 1: by the way who told everybody if they were going

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Speaker 1: to come to coverage to bring something to calm their nerves.

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Speaker 1: And he sat in the back and painted with a

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Speaker 1: smack on and was painting watercolor like a weirdo. And

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Speaker 1: I remember sitting here thinking, I'm the only one in

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Speaker 1: this room that once as president to win. I'm at

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Speaker 1: a conservative news network and they're sitting here crying when

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Speaker 1: states are coming in for Trump. And I just remember laughing.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was the funniest thing. They were so angry,

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Speaker 1: so bitter at me. I didn't care. I had great night.

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Speaker 1: And then um middle of the night, Glenn just got

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Speaker 1: I remember he told somebody in the control room, don't

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Speaker 1: let Tommy take this over. And I'm thinking, well, hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry that I was right and you were wrong,

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Speaker 1: but it's a great night for me, and it's a

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Speaker 1: great night for America, all right. So then how much

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Speaker 1: longer are you at the Blaze? So I was at

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Speaker 1: the Blaze until the middle of March. And then I

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Speaker 1: went on this little show called The View, and uh,

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Speaker 1: I express the fact that I am pro choice because

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Speaker 1: I believe in limited government, not the most conservative thing

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Speaker 1: to say. However, I believe that it's one of the

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Speaker 1: But either way, I thought it was great. I remember

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Speaker 1: I've been on The Daily Show with Trevor Noah and

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Speaker 1: I thought, oh boy, these women are just going to

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Speaker 1: lose their minds, are gonna hate me. It's gonna be

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Speaker 1: another blood bath situation. But it wasn't, and it was

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Speaker 1: very respectful, and I thought I did a great job.

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Speaker 1: I got a lot of great messages from even people

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Speaker 1: at the Blaze. And then it all went to hell

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Speaker 1: and I found out. This was on a Friday, and

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Speaker 1: on Monday, I found out that they had fired me

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Speaker 1: that you were pro choice. Do you think that's what

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Speaker 1: it was? That's what it was. They said that I

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Speaker 1: offended the community. So as a political commentator, which by

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Speaker 1: the way, I had a profile in the New York

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Speaker 1: Times where I said I was pro choice, and I

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Speaker 1: once a month, that I believed in limited government. And

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Speaker 1: I don't care what you do with your life. I

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Speaker 1: just don't want to pay for it. I had said

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Speaker 1: that often, but this was Glenn's way of getting me out.

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Speaker 1: He thought, Okay, she was just right about this election.

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Speaker 1: I was a never Trump or Trump is now our president.

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Speaker 1: He's kind of looking foolish. So we thought, what is

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Speaker 1: the way that I can turn everyone against her and

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Speaker 1: get rid of her. Oh, I know, I'll say that

648
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: she offended the community and she's not a real conservative.

649
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Speaker 1: That was his out. That's what he did, and he

650
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Speaker 1: thought I would just go away quietly. Apparently wasn't paying

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Speaker 1: sequiss of attention to the kind of person I am.

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Speaker 1: All right, So this to me is fascinating because I

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Speaker 1: think if you believe a hundred percent in any political party,

654
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Speaker 1: you aren't actually using your brain, right, And I think

655
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Speaker 1: if you agree a hundred percent with any president, you

656
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Speaker 1: aren't actually using your brain. And I'm not even sure

657
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Speaker 1: if I were president of the United States that I

658
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Speaker 1: would agree with me a hundred percent, because so many

659
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Speaker 1: of the choices that have to be made are hard,

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Speaker 1: and if you sit there in weigh the different angles,

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Speaker 1: you might change your opinion over the course of four

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Speaker 1: years based on the data that's put in front of you. Right. So,

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Speaker 1: um so, when I saw that that you were getting

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Speaker 1: a lot of flak for saying that you are pro choice,

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Speaker 1: I actually thought, well, this makes me even more impressed,

666
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Speaker 1: because if you have an audience that likes you, sometimes

667
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Speaker 1: you can get seduced into only telling things that you

668
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Speaker 1: think they're all going to agree with you on, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: That's that's sort of the affirmation cycle that you can

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Speaker 1: find yourself in. But it's fundamentally dishonest because there are

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Speaker 1: things that many people who are listening to this right

672
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Speaker 1: now that they hear they're like, oh, I don't agree

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Speaker 1: with clear, Like, I'm pretty straightforward about many different things.

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Speaker 1: I'm pro choice like you are not. Because and by

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Speaker 1: the way, that's with a family of three, I just

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Speaker 1: I find it unbelievable to think that if I had

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Speaker 1: a fourteen year old daughter, let's say, and she got pregnant,

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Speaker 1: that the government would mandate one way or the other

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Speaker 1: about the choice that she would have to make at

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Speaker 1: fourteen years old. Or I've got three boys, if one

681
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Speaker 1: of them had a girlfriend and they got pregnant, I

682
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Speaker 1: think the idea that a government would swoop in and say, hey,

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Speaker 1: you have to make this choice is just wrong. That's

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Speaker 1: my opinion. I understand that other people might disagree with it,

685
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Speaker 1: but when I saw that quote from you, I was like, well,

686
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Speaker 1: this is fascinating. Um. And then it ultimately ends up

687
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Speaker 1: in a legal battle and you find your way to

688
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: Fox News, which is probably where you wanted to be

689
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Speaker 1: when you started at oh A N So it ended

690
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Speaker 1: up working out okay for you. What is has been

691
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Speaker 1: the fallouts since then? Uh as as in terms of

692
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Speaker 1: whether or not you're allowed to be conservative and have

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Speaker 1: opinions that aren't conservative orthodoxy. You know this what bothers

694
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Speaker 1: me about some some conservatives, not all, but some conservatives

695
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Speaker 1: who think we all have to fit into this little box.

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Speaker 1: That's not human nature to fit into that box. And

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you this, there are so many girls that

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Speaker 1: I talked to, young girls who will message me and

699
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Speaker 1: they say, you know, tell me, I really like what

700
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Speaker 1: you say, but I don't know how I can vote

701
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Speaker 1: Republican or I don't know how I can vote for

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump because you know, I'm pro choice and I'm

703
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Speaker 1: okay with same sex marriage, so I have to be

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Speaker 1: a liberal. It's like, whoa whoa. As conservatives, we're doing

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Speaker 1: a disservice to ourselves and our country and our party

706
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Speaker 1: by telling people that are you know, okay with LGBT

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Speaker 1: or pro LGBT community or pro choice, that they don't

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Speaker 1: fit into our box. That's it's not how it is.

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Speaker 1: I'd rather have a fiscal conservative who believes in securing leaves,

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Speaker 1: in low tashes and freedom then fitting into this little box.

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Speaker 1: So I, you know, I get flat from the A

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Speaker 1: lot of time I have people, you know you've had

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Speaker 1: guests on your show. I won uh one of our

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Speaker 1: probably new national residents very shortly, Ben Shapiro, who constantly

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Speaker 1: says that I'm not a conservative and I can't be

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Speaker 1: in the Conservative Party and I'm not you know, welcome

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Speaker 1: at the table. And that doesn't bother me either. I

718
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Speaker 1: don't care if liberals hate me. I don't care conservative

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Speaker 1: hate hates me. I'll just gonna be me either way.

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Speaker 1: And so at Fox News, what has your role been there?

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Speaker 1: So I helped launch our digital streaming platform, Fox Nation,

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Speaker 1: which you're going to join me on very shortly. But

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Speaker 1: I've been able to do my final Flax commentary every day,

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Speaker 1: but also do long term episodes I've gotten on the

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Speaker 1: border several times. I get to sit down with interesting

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Speaker 1: people like yourself and have longer form conversations, and it's

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Speaker 1: put up on a digital platform kind of like a

728
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Speaker 1: Netflix for Fox News. And so that's what I've been

729
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: doing at Fox for about three years now and still

730
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: getting into plenty of trouble on Twitter. So you are

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Speaker 1: outspoken on Twitter. I am outspoken on Twitter. One of

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Speaker 1: the reasons why I love owning out kick is and

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Speaker 1: this is why I started out kick now it's been

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Speaker 1: nine years ago. Was I I understand the way that

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Speaker 1: big corporate media works and many times and I can

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Speaker 1: imagine now because I am a boss and we have

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Speaker 1: a lot of different employees. You've got a billion things

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Speaker 1: that you're trying to take care of, and every now

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Speaker 1: and then one of your talents sends out a tweet

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Speaker 1: and you get complaints about it, or you get media

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Speaker 1: inquiries about it, and you're like, why won't he or

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Speaker 1: she just shut up. I hate to sound like the man,

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Speaker 1: but I understand that perspective. But I'm also on the

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Speaker 1: talent side pretty firmly where and everybody out there who

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Speaker 1: who was listening to this knows that I'm a First

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Speaker 1: Amendment absolutist that I believe in the marketplace of ideas,

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Speaker 1: and I am horribly troubled more so by probably anything,

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Speaker 1: by this constraining of what ideas are able to be shared.

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Speaker 1: And I think COVID and everything surrounding it has put

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Speaker 1: this entire there's an appropriate opinion to have in an

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00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: inappropriate opinion to have on steroids? Have you gotten that

752
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 1: sense too, that even after Trump want wins in and

753
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 1: everybody's like, oh, we need to listen to everybody's opinion

754
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: and everything else, that it feels like every day and

755
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Speaker 1: every week and every month and certainly every year, the

756
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Speaker 1: allowable comments on social media are getting more and more constrained,

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00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: and therefore the opinions are becoming more and more constrained,

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00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: and so are the debates. Oh absolutely, I mean I

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00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: just thought today on Twitter they're still trying to say

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Speaker 1: that voting by mail is safer and more secure than

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Speaker 1: voting in person, something that I am adamantly against. But

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Speaker 1: I've had my experience with being shadow banned on social media.

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Speaker 1: Just last week, I posted a picture with a trimp

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Speaker 1: up and I asked my friends, Hey, did you see

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00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: this in your feed, and they said, no, I didn't

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Speaker 1: see it. I didn't see it on need my accounts.

767
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: And I started asking people on social media did you

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Speaker 1: see this post? And I got hundreds and hundreds of messages, No,

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Speaker 1: I don't see this in my feed. In fact, I

770
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 1: don't see a lot of your stuff in my feet anymore.

771
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,280
Speaker 1: Big tech is taking this election to a new extreme,

772
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: and they're gonna try to drown out considerate and Trump

773
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 1: supporting supporting voices under the guise of election integrity or

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Speaker 1: whatever they want to call it. And it's just gonna

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00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: get worse, I believe, after he wins. But that thing

776
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: is a social media is kind of our best resource

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00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: right now, you think so? And obviously the New York

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Speaker 1: Post story Hunter Biden, the way that it was covered

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Speaker 1: it really, I think, opened a lot of people's ideas

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Speaker 1: to the marketplace being constrained. Now. You manage your own

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Speaker 1: Facebook accounts, you manage your Instagram accounts, you manage your

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Speaker 1: Twitter accounts. For people out there who may not be

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Speaker 1: as active on social media, how would you describe the

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Speaker 1: interactions that you get on those different accounts, and how

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Speaker 1: would you break down the effectiveness of each of them

786
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Speaker 1: in terms of sharing your content with them as someone

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Speaker 1: who does all that management herself, which is really pretty incredible.

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Speaker 1: And how big are those audiences for you now? Well,

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Speaker 1: on Twitter I got about one point seven million, Facebook's

790
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: about four point nine million, and Instagram's one plenty eight million.

791
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: So I've been blessed to have a lot of those

792
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Speaker 1: followers that have been following me for years and following

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00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: my career. But I mean, I didn't even look at

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Speaker 1: the mentions from people without blue check marks, but the

795
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: mention just from people with blue check marks to me

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00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,919
Speaker 1: are vile and somehow appropriate. I mean, last week doing

797
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Speaker 1: at the final debate coverage, people didn't like what I tweeted,

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00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 1: and so they're asking why I'm still alive with blue

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Speaker 1: check marks. But you know, that's okay on Twitter, but

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Speaker 1: anything that I say I get reports about, and apparently

801
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,760
Speaker 1: it's beyond the pale um. We all know it's happening,

802
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: we all know it's never going to be fair, and

803
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:57,399
Speaker 1: we just gotta do the best we can, so all

804
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: of them. I mean, that's a massive audience that you

805
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: are able to reach theoretically through all three of those platforms.

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00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 1: And you also, we hear a lot when people are

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Speaker 1: women and they are liberal. About all of the awful

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00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: things that people say to women who are liberal, right, Like,

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00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: that's a big talking point in the world of sports media.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. You could never imagine the things that

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Speaker 1: people say to too liberal women in the sports media

812
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: on Twitter, Facebook, whatever else. You get that times hundred,

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Speaker 1: I imagine. And yet nobody I ever see out there saying, man,

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Speaker 1: poor Tommy, she gets so much abuse as a woman.

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Speaker 1: It's really not fair, right, Like, you don't get protected

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00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 1: in any way, No, not a doubt. In fact, I've

817
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,399
Speaker 1: actually had people throw things at me on me when

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Speaker 1: I'm with my parents, and people surely that I think

819
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Speaker 1: it's so great, I'm getting what I deserve, blah blah blah. No,

820
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Speaker 1: but you know what, I don't need their protection. I

821
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Speaker 1: don't need the feminist to come to my defense. I

822
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Speaker 1: just don't. And anybody who feels like a victim. I've

823
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Speaker 1: never gotten up one day in my life and felt

824
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: like a victim, even though things have been, you know,

825
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,240
Speaker 1: rocky for me. Sometimes it's a little said horrible things.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to cry over it because at the

827
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: end of the day, it shows his career. But the

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Speaker 1: double standard really is the only standards of the left,

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00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,720
Speaker 1: and it's quite apparent it is amazing. Now. I talked about,

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Speaker 1: you know, the way that people respond and how you

831
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Speaker 1: can handle things, and part of Look, I'm forty one,

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Speaker 1: I'm quite a bit older than you, and I've got

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Speaker 1: three kids, I've got a wife. I have sort of

834
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Speaker 1: a universe outside of what I do for a living.

835
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Speaker 1: So I really do not care because at times, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm coaching flag football or I'm at you know, basketball

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Speaker 1: coaching or whatever. You know, like I'm involved in my

838
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: kids lives, and so there is an escape for me.

839
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Speaker 1: Do you think it's better or worse to be single

840
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: and be in the middle of these battles every single day?

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00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: Do you ever wonder, man, I wish I could just

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00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: dial out and and and have like a serious boyfriend

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00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: or a husband or whatever, like, how do you get

844
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: away from the noise? For lack of a better way

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Speaker 1: of phrasing it, And do you think it's better or

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00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: worse to be single? As a part of it, We'll

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Speaker 1: tell you've met my friends, so you know, I have

848
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: a good old time here in Nashville, Tennessee. Yes, that

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00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: is my way of getting is escape bank it. And

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00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 1: you know, some people, they're hard on me for that

851
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: because they hate the fact that I'm going Instagram and

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00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: post boomerangs at the bar with my friends on my weekend.

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00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: But I'm still a twenty eight year old girl. I

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Speaker 1: still have fun. Oh shutter at the fact. You know,

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Speaker 1: I drink beer and I have fun with my friends

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00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: and we sing Skari Okay and Miss Kelly's and we

857
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 1: hang out at Winners and Losers all this every weekend.

858
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Speaker 1: That is my escape. To me. Social media is this

859
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 1: fictitious little place that I go and I work and

860
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: I care about but you've had to check out. And

861
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: I have a lot of fun and Nashville way more

862
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: fun than I had in California. And I still remind

863
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 1: myself that I am still just a twenty eight year

864
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: old average girl and that is how I feel and

865
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: that is how I act, and I think that's why

866
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: I'm relatable. I think that's why people take a liking

867
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: to me on social media because they see that I'm

868
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: not just invested in politics. Seven I have a life.

869
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: I go out, I have fun, and I think we

870
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: should all be doing that, especially with everything going on

871
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: right now. You know, if the mayor lets us, but

872
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: don't get that night because it comes out after eleven pm.

873
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: And be sure to catch live editions about kick the

874
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: Coverage with Clay Travis week days at six am Eastern,

875
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: three am Pacific. I know people are listening in all

876
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,240
Speaker 1: different cities and states right now, but in Nashville in particular,

877
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,760
Speaker 1: where you and I both live, I believe the bars

878
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: have to be closed by eleven o'clock right now. It's

879
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 1: almost like COVID only spreads at you know, after eleven,

880
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,959
Speaker 1: because the bars can be open all day restaurants as well.

881
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 1: And we're talking to Tommy Laren and she is. You

882
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: can find her on all these different places. I don't

883
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: even need to tease it because she's got so many

884
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 1: people on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram. But you can find

885
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: her easily there. So you're in Nashville now, and I've

886
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: been out. I've seen you interact with people, people want photos.

887
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: It's a pretty uh, it's a pretty fun environment friendly

888
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: environment so far that I've seen, and I'm sure there

889
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 1: are exceptions, but in general, how would you assess the

890
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: way that people treat you out in public in Nashville

891
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: compared to l A. Yeah, it's a night and day

892
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: difference from l A. And I think the reason for

893
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: that is it's not because everybody in Nashville is conservative.

894
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 1: You and I both know that's not the case. But

895
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:22,439
Speaker 1: the liberals that might hate me, they don't feel as

896
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: emboldened to come up and say something to me like

897
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 1: they would in l A. And I'll tell you in

898
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: l A. I have been pushed, i have been picked,

899
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: I have been tripped, I've been shouted down because they

900
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: know that probably of the people in the place are

901
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: going to encourage that because they know that they have

902
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: a liberal monopoly, so they feel very strong and really

903
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: a powerful and Nashville that's not the case. There are

904
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: many liberals that are brave enough to come up and

905
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: say something if they know that perhaps they'll be five

906
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: of their conservatives nearby. So people are pretty nice to

907
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: me here. Plus I just hang out in places that

908
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: conservatives are. If you guys come to Nashville, you have

909
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: to go to winners and losers. That's where I frequent

910
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: and people are very nice to me. There a lot

911
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 1: of patriots, a lot of military, a lot of law enforcement,

912
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: and I just love in Nashville the winners and losers

913
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: A lot of fun. Steve Ford has got great places

914
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: there in Nerve and everybody else. That's been a staple

915
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: for local Nashvillians for a long time in midtown. Now,

916
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: what happens next? So you're only twenty eight, and it's

917
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 1: amazing how quickly you have developed a large audience you've

918
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: been in rapidly. Before I get to what happens next,

919
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: what is to you the craziest thing that has happened

920
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: to you since you left un l V where it's

921
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 1: only been seven years basically since you started working in media,

922
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: but it feels like a lifetime because so much craziness

923
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: has happened. What is the wildest thing in your experience

924
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: that has happened in your career where you had to

925
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 1: pinch yourself and you were like, I can't believe this

926
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: is going oncreadily. When I had simultaneous feuds with both

927
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: Nicki Mina Ossian Cardi b That's probably not something I've

928
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: thought would happen, especially since the two of them don't

929
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: like each other, but they seem to bond overrating me.

930
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,720
Speaker 1: So that was an interesting path. How did that happen?

931
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: And then how did Nicki manag and come after you. Yeah. So,

932
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: Pardi b I had said she had made a video

933
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: talking about how much she hate Founded Trump, some kind

934
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: of a just kind of a stumbling mess video, and

935
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,800
Speaker 1: I tweeted that, oh boy, look at here's the political

936
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 1: genius of our generation. And then she told me that

937
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: she was gonna dog lock me, and she's treated on

938
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: me several times since then. And then Nicki minaj Um

939
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: I had said something about immigration and she basically told

940
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: me that, you know, I'm not from here and I'm

941
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: not native American. So I've had a few with both

942
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:50,240
Speaker 1: of them kind of around the same time. Very interesting,

943
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 1: a very weird place to be. I think about every

944
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: rappers had an issue with me at one point or another. Interesting.

945
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 1: But how many rap songs have you been in? How

946
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: many raps songs have you been name checked in? There's

947
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: a couple at least, right, there's at least to one

948
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 1: of them. My voices in that's the jay Z soun

949
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: for those that want to listen to drug dealers anonymous,

950
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: I pusha T and jay Z my voice is and

951
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 1: that one. And then I was in a wallet song

952
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: where he calls me Tammy. And so of course, as

953
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: you know, your doctor wife. He's called me Tammy because

954
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: he called me Tammy Lauren, and that's my I guess

955
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: that's my new um pseudonym. I don't know, but I've

956
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 1: been at least two and then a handful of other

957
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: smeller ones. What is it like to hear your name

958
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: in a rap song? It's very surreal. I don't think

959
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: that anybody growing up in rapid City, South Dakota thinks

960
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 1: that they're going to be known or mentioned by some

961
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: of the biggest rappers you know, in the industry. So

962
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: it's surreal. But I just I guess I'm doing something right.

963
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: I mean, I love rap music, so I'll take it.

964
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: So that would surprise some people who are listening right now,

965
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:59,479
Speaker 1: because there they would listen and they would think, oh,

966
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: I think at least the expectation would be that you

967
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: are not a fan of pop culture, or you're not

968
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: engaged with what is being produced in Hollywood and whatnot.

969
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: But that's not really true, right, Like you are and

970
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 1: and and I think you believe and I think you're

971
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: probably right that there are many people like you who

972
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: will vote for Donald Trump and also love let's say

973
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:26,919
Speaker 1: the Real Housewives, or or would carry a gun and

974
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: also like rap music as a you know, as a

975
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 1: truck voting conservative right like that that that cross poll

976
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: nation is occurring, and I think the stereotype would be

977
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: that it isn't. Well. The reason that I talk about

978
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: pop culture is because I understand pop culture. I am

979
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: a consumer of pop cultures, so I love it. I

980
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, I love The Housewives, I love Bravo.

981
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 1: I don't think it caters to conservative women, and I

982
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: don't think conservative women sometimes feel like they have a

983
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: place in it, but we still watch it, we still listen.

984
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: You know, you can be conservative and still watch Andy

985
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: Cohen and tune out at a liberal parts, and you

986
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 1: can still listen to rap music and enjoy all these singers,

987
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 1: and people would be surprised and all I like jay Z,

988
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: I like Beyonce, listen to their music. I think they're crazy,

989
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: but I like their music, and you can still have

990
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,399
Speaker 1: those opinions and appreciate that even if you don't agree

991
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: with someone politically. And conservative women and conservatives in general, yeah,

992
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 1: we're still viewers. By the way. I think that, you know,

993
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: NFL and sports are starting to realize that maybe now. Oh,

994
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any doubt, so I asked this

995
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: question before. What's next? So you are twenty eight years old.

996
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: You have gone from O. A. N. To The Blaze

997
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: to Fox News. A lot of people would say, Oh,

998
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: that's the that's the gold standard right for any conservative

999
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: commentator to reach Fox News. You're at Fox Nation and

1000
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 1: you have a monstrous social media following across Instagram, Twitter,

1001
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: Facebook for people that are engaging with your opinions, either

1002
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: agreeing or disagreeing. What's next for you? What do you want?

1003
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: What would you like to do? You know, I don't

1004
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: know the answer to that question because I don't like

1005
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: to plan things out because it never really turns out

1006
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: the way I planned anyway. If there's anything I've learned

1007
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: from my careers that I really can't have that much

1008
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:18,399
Speaker 1: of a plan. But I will tell you this, I'm

1009
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: always going to be me. I'm always gonna tell it

1010
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 1: like it is, and it will be the coldest day

1011
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: in hell the day that I stopped being me and

1012
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 1: I cater or cow tow to anybody. So I'm just

1013
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 1: gonna keep doing this. I'm really excited to see the

1014
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: results of this election. We'll see where that pusses as

1015
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: a nation. But I'm gonna keep doing what I'm gonna do.

1016
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,800
Speaker 1: And I think what's so important is is having fearless

1017
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 1: voices out there who, despite whose president, or who's being elected,

1018
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: or what the election year is or the political climate,

1019
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 1: that just tell it like it is and are fearless

1020
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 1: and never apologize. I'm just gonna keep doing that wherever

1021
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 1: it takes me. Here I am one week from today. Basically,

1022
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: is the election you think that Trump will win. If

1023
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 1: Trump loses, how does it change your career path? If

1024
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: at all? Have you even thought about that? Is it

1025
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: better or worse for you depending on whether he wins

1026
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: and loses or ultimately for what you do? Does the

1027
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 1: president really matter? I worry less about my career, and

1028
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,280
Speaker 1: I worry more about all the average Americans out there

1029
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,959
Speaker 1: that are going to be crushed under a Biden let's

1030
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: be real, Harris administration. So I worry about them. But

1031
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: I am very confident in this president. I know that

1032
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: the Left is going to do whatever they have to

1033
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 1: do through cheating, voter fraud to try to win this

1034
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: election and then maybe pack the course whatever that schisy

1035
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: crap they want to pull. But I think that the

1036
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: silent majority is going to come out in such strong

1037
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,839
Speaker 1: numbers that we're going to even overwhelm that. So I'm

1038
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,240
Speaker 1: very very confident in another four years of Donald Trump.

1039
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: It's after that, but we have to worry about You're

1040
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: only I know, I said that was one of my

1041
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 1: last questions, But do you have any interest at all

1042
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: in ever running for political office yourself? The only thing

1043
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: I think I would run for, and this would be

1044
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 1: a while because I got to get acclimated. But you

1045
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: know how much I dislike this mayor in Nashville. So

1046
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: if I was here long enough and I felt like

1047
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: I could do a good job for Nashville, I might

1048
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 1: step up to the plate for that. But everything else,

1049
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: Quite frankly, I have way too much fun hanging out

1050
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: with my friends and going to the bars on the weekend.

1051
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,879
Speaker 1: I really don't want a life in public office. That

1052
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: is Tommy Laron, Uh, this has been fantastic. What else?

1053
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: Is there anything else you would like to tell people

1054
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: who are out there listening that maybe you haven't gotten

1055
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: Let me take a step back. People who listen to

1056
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: this podcast a lot have heard me say this before

1057
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: when I was doing depositions. I used as a when

1058
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: I was a practicing attorney. I used to like to

1059
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: ask the question at the end, was there anything you

1060
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: wish that I had asked you that gives you an

1061
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 1: opportunity to talk to an audience and tell someone something

1062
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: that otherwise you haven't been able to. And I always

1063
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 1: got such interesting answer sometimes doing that, and I've translated

1064
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,720
Speaker 1: it to this life as well. Was there anything else

1065
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 1: you would like for the audience listening to us right

1066
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 1: now out to know about you that they don't or

1067
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:04,399
Speaker 1: that I haven't given you an opportunity to talk about here?

1068
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: I guess my piece of advice to anybody listening, whether

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Speaker 1: on the left or the riot, or sports fan or

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Speaker 1: political fan or Donald Trump supporter, I would just remind them,

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Speaker 1: never apologize when you're right. Always apologize when you're wrong,

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Speaker 1: but never apologize when you're right. I never will do it,

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Speaker 1: Especially don't apologize for an opinion. I always say the

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Speaker 1: only thing I'll acknowledge getting wrong is a fact, because

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Speaker 1: it can lead to an opinion that I don't have

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Speaker 1: the same basis for that I thought I did before.

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Speaker 1: But this idea that you have to constantly bend at

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Speaker 1: the altar of submission to all the people who are Losers.

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Speaker 1: Sitting around on social media all day is patently absurd. Tommy,

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Speaker 1: I know we talk, are going to talk. Some people

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Speaker 1: may be coming in to listen to this podcast through

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Speaker 1: the Fox Nation Interview. I look forward to that, and

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Speaker 1: I look forward to to seeing me around the city

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Speaker 1: of Nashville and maybe helping you with your mayoral campaign

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Speaker 1: one day. Alright, deal sounds good. I'll probably see you

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Speaker 1: at Losers for sure. That is Tommy Laurin. Encourage you

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Speaker 1: to go follow her if you're not already one of

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Speaker 1: the millions of people who are following her. I am

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Speaker 1: Clay Travis. This has been the Wins and Losses podcast,

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Speaker 1: the thirty six different interview and long form conversation. I

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Speaker 1: hope you're enjoying them. If you enjoyed this one, i'd

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Speaker 1: encourage you to check out some of the others. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for hanging with us on Wins and Losses. I'm Clay

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Speaker 1: Travis and she is Tommy Laurin, and we appreciate the

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Speaker 1: time