Speaker 1: When I do live gigs around the country, I'll be
Speaker 1: honest with you. I sel t shirts and swag to
Speaker 1: the folks who are there, and then people always say,
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Speaker 1: this podcast is Joy. I talk to interest in people
Speaker 1: about what brings them happiness. Welcome to the Young Comedians Special,
Speaker 1: where I, as not a young comedian, will talk to
Speaker 1: to young comedians about being young comedians.
Speaker 2: And they're very funny, they're very interesting people.
Speaker 1: Andrew Rivers and Khalia McNeil enjoy.
Speaker 2: So let's just before we start.
Speaker 1: I do want to just reiterate because I did just
Speaker 1: say this before we started that as I look at
Speaker 1: the two of you right now, and I think I
Speaker 1: think you might have said it first for Buddy Cop movie.
Speaker 1: All right, you are a professional officer that has been
Speaker 1: forced into the situation of taking on a partner who
Speaker 1: is a well connected, you know, loser, try.
Speaker 2: To clean it up the second time.
Speaker 1: I think loser is fine, but I realized when I
Speaker 1: said loser that it might I thought you were a loser,
Speaker 1: and that is not what I'm thinking. And also I
Speaker 1: may have impliedately that you were a professional and I
Speaker 1: wasn't couldn't be further from this, So I don't want
Speaker 1: to to start stereotyping you guys right from the get go.
Speaker 1: I just what the reason why I asked you both
Speaker 1: here to get out of this. You're both young comics,
Speaker 1: you're both comers. In my opinion, you're both at the
Speaker 1: beginning of what I predict is big careers. You're both
Speaker 1: very similar and not in the way that you do
Speaker 1: the stuff or even what you talk about. But I
Speaker 1: noticed with both of you you're both anecdotal comedians, and
Speaker 1: I like that. You're both kind of old school, but
Speaker 1: you're young comedians, and so I wanted to talk to
Speaker 1: you and get the vibe and get the feeling and
Speaker 1: get to know what the young folks are talking about.
Speaker 3: But fart Craig needs to stand up lessons. Actually, he's
Speaker 3: like that the career has passed me by got you.
Speaker 3: We're gonna get you.
Speaker 4: We're gonna get you in a supreme outfit, you know.
Speaker 1: And do you think do you think is that a thing?
Speaker 1: Is there a look that you have to go for?
Speaker 1: Like in your special? Right, you look very cool.
Speaker 2: I think that's part of me being old school. Though.
Speaker 4: When I if it's something like a special or something
Speaker 4: that's being filmed like that, I deem serious. I'm going
Speaker 4: to put a little something on. I'm gonna have some
Speaker 4: slacks on. I'm gonna, you know, put a suit on
Speaker 4: if I can. I just think that's classy. But I
Speaker 4: also understand, you know, you know your you know your style.
Speaker 4: Your style matches you sometimes. And when I I love
Speaker 4: watching a laid back special and dude looks like he's chilling,
Speaker 4: but his jokes are also like.
Speaker 2: You you know very much.
Speaker 1: Enjoy Andrew's work because that's what he's wearing right now.
Speaker 2: I feel like I've seen you do stand up. I
Speaker 2: just go on stage with what I wore. That day. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I actually got a comment on like my Instagram the
Speaker 3: other day it was like comedians used to dress proper whatever,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 5: That's actually that was me. Yeah yeah, I was like,
Speaker 5: come on, you wear a tie? Yeah, that's not funny.
Speaker 5: Real comedian wears a tie?
Speaker 2: Do you know what that?
Speaker 1: I remember? I used to get a little when I
Speaker 1: was a young coming when I swore. People would say
Speaker 1: a real comedian doesn't have to swear?
Speaker 2: Do you do?
Speaker 1: They still come after you for the swears. My mom yeah,
Speaker 1: my mom says that.
Speaker 4: She's like, you know it was it was nice, but
Speaker 4: you know, Sindbad didn't go, and I'm like, all right,
Speaker 4: shit's crazy.
Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, Richard Pryor did, though, I mean he did
Speaker 1: Carson and I no I cast now expressions on Sinbad.
Speaker 2: He's a fine performer and a lovely man.
Speaker 1: But in the Hall of Fame of stand ups, Richard
Speaker 1: Pryor Sindbad, I think even Sindbad would be like, I
Speaker 1: think Richard probably.
Speaker 2: Edges me a little bet, Yeah, you cuss.
Speaker 3: A little bit and your Yeah, I think they They
Speaker 3: used to say that about political comedians too, And then
Speaker 3: it's like, well, Carlin had a fine career you know. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think at the end of the day, you don't
Speaker 3: need permission to make art. So it's like those people,
Speaker 3: you know, like, this is what I'm doing and it
Speaker 3: should make me happy first, and then the world is
Speaker 3: big enough now for you to find your own audience.
Speaker 1: I think that's that's quite interesting because you guys are
Speaker 1: coming of age and coming and you know, making your
Speaker 1: bones at a time when comedy is is more. Uh,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say it's under the micro school more,
Speaker 1: but it kind of ends a little bit.
Speaker 3: I think there's like a boom of it for sure,
Speaker 3: but then yeah, more attention causes more scrutiny causes.
Speaker 1: Do you find that your audiences kind of find you?
Speaker 1: I mean like, do you get a black gay audience?
Speaker 1: Do you get you know, stone or audience.
Speaker 4: It's funny that you say that is I've recently finally
Speaker 4: started noticing that very thing because it was you know,
Speaker 4: I've for a few years now kind of been on
Speaker 4: the road, and you know, you have great shows, you
Speaker 4: have shows that sell very well, but it's also like,
Speaker 4: you know, did this show sell really well because you know,
Speaker 4: it's a Friday night in Connecticut or were they really
Speaker 4: coming to see you know me specifically or is this
Speaker 4: just what they wanted to do tonight and.
Speaker 2: Whatever?
Speaker 4: And but no, recently, I had a show in January.
Speaker 4: I did a weekend at this comedy club in New
Speaker 4: Orleans called Comedy House Nola. And I never I've been
Speaker 4: to New Orleans to do like Thebakri, but I've never
Speaker 4: performed in New Orleans, right, and so first time performing,
Speaker 4: I'm like, you know, what's it going to be?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 4: You know, I'm doing my promos as much as I can,
Speaker 4: so on, so forth. And it hit me when I
Speaker 4: was on stage, like I'm looking at the crowd and
Speaker 4: I'm looking at people who look like me, and it
Speaker 4: was just one of those feelings like I knew for
Speaker 4: a fact like they you know, either saw my flyer,
Speaker 4: saw my clips or saw matter or whatever, and we're like,
Speaker 4: you know what, we're comfortable going to see that, you know,
Speaker 4: going to see her. And yeah, So from that point,
Speaker 4: I'm starting to pay attention and seeing a little bit
Speaker 4: more of that now and it feels great.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was going to say, does it feel good?
Speaker 1: Or does it I mean, cause like I'm a white guy,
Speaker 1: I'm used to see an audience.
Speaker 2: Just look like man.
Speaker 1: But but it's but I like to see people that
Speaker 1: don't live. In fact, I'm looking for people that don't
Speaker 1: look like me and my audience. I kind of I
Speaker 1: kind of like that. But I suppose the numbers are
Speaker 1: are different percentage wise anyway, right.
Speaker 4: I mean it's it's kind of a little bit of both.
Speaker 4: It feels good, but at the same time, it's just
Speaker 4: just me personally. It's like, I grew up in Fairfield, California.
Speaker 4: I grew up right outside of Napa, about twenty five
Speaker 4: minutes from San Francisco, So I grew up around everyone, right,
Speaker 4: so when I you know, most of the shows I
Speaker 4: do are for everyone if you get my drink, of course.
Speaker 4: But I just I guess you can say now, it's
Speaker 4: like I'm just starting to see an influx.
Speaker 1: Of and you are not doing chromic, so you're going
Speaker 1: to talk about your own life experience just like you do.
Speaker 2: Andrew.
Speaker 1: It's like you, you talk about what's happened to you.
Speaker 1: It's why I'm interested in you both. You're not you
Speaker 1: do jokes, but you're not joke merchants. You're not you're
Speaker 1: not gag merchants, which I think right now, that's where
Speaker 1: the big money is. I got to tell you, I
Speaker 1: think right now is gag merchants that that's switching it up? Well,
Speaker 1: it's I don't know, though, I don't think you can.
Speaker 1: This is why I think you're both here because like me,
Speaker 1: you really can't do anything else. But it's a slow burn,
Speaker 1: you know. I think I think they got to get
Speaker 1: to know phase off. You know, it's it's getting there.
Speaker 2: I think with the way you guys have to do
Speaker 2: it now.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of social media involved, right and you
Speaker 1: do you you have your own Instagrams and tiktoks and
Speaker 1: all that stuff, and are you aware like do you
Speaker 1: put together I better do a minute on Is that
Speaker 1: too much on TikTok?
Speaker 2: I don't know?
Speaker 1: Forty five seconds? Like I have to do a joke today?
Speaker 1: Is that a thing?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's part of growing your brand and
Speaker 3: those things, you know. I think of the clips as
Speaker 3: like almost like a quarter in a slot machine, where
Speaker 3: it's like, if one of those things pops off and
Speaker 3: gets twenty million views, then your whole life could change.
Speaker 2: Is that true? Yeah? Does that really work like that?
Speaker 4: I mean I know two people personally that it's happened
Speaker 4: to two of the biggest arguably the biggest names in
Speaker 4: comedy right now, Matt Ryf and Morgan Jay. Yeah, like literally,
Speaker 4: Like I mean the Netflix Festival two years ago, Matt
Speaker 4: and I did a show.
Speaker 2: Could not fill the Bourbon Room. He just sold out
Speaker 2: the Hollywood Bowl. That's amazing. From a crowd work clip,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: What I mean.
Speaker 2: Now he's he's he was extreme in his handsome face.
Speaker 4: Well yeah, but there's a lot of really cute guys,
Speaker 4: you know at a bar show, right, That's true.
Speaker 2: It was one of them.
Speaker 1: Well see that's the thing you guys go, I just
Speaker 1: find out as you go here you actually did a
Speaker 1: show together, that's right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we did a show up in ever Itt, Everett,
Speaker 3: washing Classy.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's called The Dope Show.
Speaker 3: So the premise is that comedians they do a set
Speaker 3: and then they take a smoke break and then they
Speaker 3: come back stoned and it's hydrinks. But really it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: comedians performing like they normally just higher. Yeah yeah, because
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, but the audience is in on
Speaker 3: the bit, so you can get you have permission to
Speaker 3: get a little loose or go down a weird riff
Speaker 3: rabbit hole that doesn't always end well.
Speaker 1: Or what I'm saying is that the audience may also
Speaker 1: be high. Yeah, so it's basically a marijuana Okay, that's fine.
Speaker 3: The hard part is staying sober until the first set
Speaker 3: I think, and I think you I just always forget
Speaker 3: a joint. I'm like, oh shit, okay, I'm supposed to
Speaker 3: be sober later or present a sober Yeah.
Speaker 2: I see.
Speaker 1: It's funny marijuana, which I mean, you're both very comfortable
Speaker 1: with it. I was funny, uncomfortable with marijuana, admit me,
Speaker 1: paranoid and sad.
Speaker 2: We just got to get you the right strength.
Speaker 1: No, everybody said that.
Speaker 2: He got you. No. No, that's what happened to me.
Speaker 1: When I was talking to a gay friend about when
Speaker 1: I tried, like, I tried being gay and I did
Speaker 1: a gay thing with me and another man and we
Speaker 1: did a gay and I said, after it, you know
Speaker 1: when when the penis, when the penis comes to your face,
Speaker 1: I said, it's it's not for me. Yeah, that's what happened.
Speaker 1: When I did a straight I said, you know what,
Speaker 1: I don't like it. Well, no, I get it, but
Speaker 1: so it's kind of the same. It's the penis comes
Speaker 1: out here, You're like, no, for me, thank you. But
Speaker 1: do they do that with coke too, where it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just don't really like it. No, you just got
Speaker 1: to try my coke, you know.
Speaker 2: No, they don't. They don't want to give away cat
Speaker 2: That's what I remember.
Speaker 1: But I discussed my friend of mine who's a gay man.
Speaker 1: He said it was just the wrong penis. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: was it though? Because they are kind of you know,
Speaker 1: they vary a little bit, but not enough for me
Speaker 1: to go, you know. And I think marijuana is the same.
Speaker 1: It fairies a bit, but not enough. Okay, you know so,
Speaker 1: but when does it wear off? By the way, am
Speaker 1: I am?
Speaker 3: I not? Uh?
Speaker 4: I mean, I hate to say I smoke often, so I'm.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not talking. I'm not talking right now. I'm
Speaker 2: not talking about marijuana. I'm talking about the gay. When
Speaker 2: does the gay wear often?
Speaker 1: How long ago was that? It was about thirty years ago?
Speaker 1: Year thirty five? Okay, when you go to the beach, yes,
Speaker 1: what do you wear?
Speaker 2: A suit? Long sleeves.
Speaker 1: Maybe if it's very hot, an open toed esper drill,
Speaker 1: But that's it.
Speaker 2: He opens a bottle and a sweatshirt. No, why why?
Speaker 2: Why would that?
Speaker 4: Like as Speedos, it makes a European which also is gay.
Speaker 1: Right, I wouldn't wear Speedos though, Okay, I think just
Speaker 1: because I'm uncomfortable with speed So handsome?
Speaker 2: Do you think the Rock is? Oh? Very handsome?
Speaker 1: Indeed very Actually, you know, when I think about it,
Speaker 1: maybe I would be willing to give.
Speaker 2: That might be the one, that might be the one.
Speaker 2: You know, you have a gay checklist. You're smoking again?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm kind of you know what I think about it?
Speaker 1: Maybe it didn't wear all. You know, he was on
Speaker 1: the late night show The Rock, and I was like, god,
Speaker 1: you are did you get to like feelhim up?
Speaker 2: Or no? I don't feel him up?
Speaker 1: But he's the Rock, you know, by like, I was
Speaker 1: appreciative of the beauty of the human.
Speaker 2: He was gorgeous man, he really is, no doubt about it.
Speaker 2: But he wasn't high. So you high right now?
Speaker 3: Then?
Speaker 2: Did you smoke?
Speaker 4: Only because this is our first meeting and because I
Speaker 4: listened to your last episode where I heard you say
Speaker 4: you don't do drugs.
Speaker 2: I am not high.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't want you to not do drugs because
Speaker 1: I don't work. As soon as I leave here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but also and also Andrew in no way observed that rule.
Speaker 2: Well, this isn't the first impression. Well is that true?
Speaker 2: I mean, have you smoked today or no?
Speaker 3: I haven't smoked in a couple of days. So am
Speaker 3: so sorry, thank you. I feel how dare you judge
Speaker 3: and stereotype based on previous knowledge and conversation.
Speaker 4: Based on everything, everything that we met at a weed.
Speaker 3: Show and then yeah, and then you had your intern
Speaker 3: research me.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, you guys are turning it around on me.
Speaker 1: I don't quite know where I am now. Is that
Speaker 1: is that a drug that you're comfort I mean, clearly,
Speaker 1: it is a drug you're comfortable performing with.
Speaker 2: I used to drink, and that used to get in
Speaker 2: the way. I couldn't really do it.
Speaker 4: It's kind of for me at least, it's it's almost
Speaker 4: a little bit of the routine. It's part of my
Speaker 4: pre show prep. I actually can't have a drink before
Speaker 4: I go on stage.
Speaker 2: I don't drink.
Speaker 4: I don't have a drink it so I get off
Speaker 4: stage and it's not like I'm, you know, blowing blunts
Speaker 4: to the face. I take a couple of puffs of
Speaker 4: the joint and there is there.
Speaker 3: Like a Chappelle ish comic that like smokes a joint
Speaker 3: during the set.
Speaker 1: There should be there should be I think I think
Speaker 1: Dave Chappelle might be one of those guys. Actually, this
Speaker 1: day he smokes a cigarette, smokes a cigarette of vapes.
Speaker 1: Maybe he's got that kind of little fay. Yeah, can
Speaker 1: you vape marijuana? I'm sorry for it. Yeah, we can
Speaker 1: teach you. Papa, no, Papa, No, I am papa. No,
Speaker 1: I'm be doing Papa. I am Papa. Like Papa's got
Speaker 1: the drug. I didn't like the vape pen because it
Speaker 1: was too easy.
Speaker 3: Like, I feel like there should be shame involved in
Speaker 3: You shouldn't be able to puff a cloud of vapor
Speaker 3: and disappear like Batman and be like I know evidence.
Speaker 2: You know what.
Speaker 1: Shame is a much underappreciated quality in society.
Speaker 2: There's enough of it.
Speaker 3: It's going away, and we need to bring a little bad.
Speaker 3: Everybody is too positive. I was, I was raising up
Speaker 3: those high schoolers, well you know I was. I was
Speaker 3: raised with a certain amount of shame, and I feel like, actually,
Speaker 3: you Tube must have had it too, probably, yeah, because
Speaker 3: you don't become a stand up unless you have some
Speaker 3: right some shame, so some bad and my my wife
Speaker 3: says that all stand ups are the same mom cold
Speaker 3: with bad boundaries.
Speaker 2: Does that sound and it way familiar? Maybe she's just
Speaker 2: saying it, but my mom.
Speaker 4: I think she's finding a way to talk about your
Speaker 4: mom without talking.
Speaker 1: To Look, she's not lying about my mom. But I
Speaker 1: mean my mom was.
Speaker 4: She's a lovely lady, but she I mean it was
Speaker 4: definitely a strict household, that's for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my mom was the enforcer. I mean, my dad
Speaker 3: was the creative. Your dad was in Yeah, so her
Speaker 3: job was to make sure he sobered up eventually, you know.
Speaker 3: So she did all the business and all the and
Speaker 3: he was like, I'm gonna write wacky songs, right see.
Speaker 1: No, my mom was a correctional counselor, okay. And my
Speaker 1: dad friend to your mom. And I've never even met
Speaker 1: your mom.
Speaker 4: And my dad, once he retired from paroles, became a preacher.
Speaker 4: Oh no, I wish I had the show dad, that
Speaker 4: would be cool.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know, I mean they both kind of
Speaker 1: like my dad was worked in the post office. I
Speaker 1: don't know why I even ended up with a stand up,
Speaker 1: but it sounds fairly okay, compared to the trauma. But
Speaker 1: you guys like show business or past are you are
Speaker 1: you still religious?
Speaker 2: It's there, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to church every Sunday or anything like that,
Speaker 4: but I'm not also anti. You know, when I'm home
Speaker 4: for the holidays, when I'm home, I'm going to church
Speaker 4: on Sunday with the family.
Speaker 2: And you know some of the preachers.
Speaker 1: You know, Sam Kennison was a preacher by yeah, Sam
Speaker 1: Kennison used to he was way back before he gets
Speaker 1: Do you guys know who I'm talking about, because it's
Speaker 1: a long time ago. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Sam was
Speaker 1: impression just remembered. Oh yeah, the U. But he was
Speaker 1: a very aggressive is the wrong word, but very like
Speaker 1: a fiery fiery stand yes. And he was a preacher
Speaker 1: when he started a lot the preacher, the style of
Speaker 1: preaching in churches can be.
Speaker 2: Well, he wanted to be he wanted to tell more
Speaker 2: truth in stand up.
Speaker 1: I think, how I I know a stand up just
Speaker 1: stopped to be a preacher.
Speaker 4: Who's his name is Aaron All Yeah, and he's he's
Speaker 4: moved to Florida, So I don't know if we'll ever
Speaker 4: hear from him again.
Speaker 1: Well you moved to Florida, become appreciate you make a
Speaker 1: lot more money than even maybe in a stand up Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's funny how that because the tradition of where I'm from,
Speaker 1: preachers you know, they don't you you don't you're not
Speaker 1: looking for a show.
Speaker 2: In a Scottish Protestant chart, it's like.
Speaker 1: You out bad Jesus is coming to get you.
Speaker 2: Look out that guilt driven yeah kind of yeah, a little.
Speaker 2: And we have the choicen ones.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well Black Baptist church, lots of singing, lots of clapping. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's a little it's a it's a three hour event.
Speaker 4: You gotta you gotta ration it because usually had a
Speaker 4: Black church will have two services a day. They'll have
Speaker 4: like an eight o'clock and a ten thirty or an
Speaker 4: eleven o'clock. You want to go to that eight o'clock
Speaker 4: because you know there there has to be an end.
Speaker 2: Time, right, it's like to finish it at some point.
Speaker 4: Second serve is the only time there is an end
Speaker 4: time is on Super Bowl Sunday.
Speaker 2: Wow. See that's a that's a lot of chart for me.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I could do that, Like I'm
Speaker 1: I'm in and out in half an hour if anything.
Speaker 2: I mean these days not at all. But when I was, I.
Speaker 3: Can't do your confession's got to take at least three hours.
Speaker 2: I don't. We don't do confessioning.
Speaker 1: My confession is like, well with that parking spot it.
Speaker 2: Well, you'll go to hell for the nextra five hundred
Speaker 2: years and that'll be it. But what about.
Speaker 1: The idea of ambition and rival because like when I
Speaker 1: was a young stand up, things were quite aggressive. Between
Speaker 1: stand ups, it was quite better and quite jealous. No,
Speaker 1: I don't want to lead the witness, but I kind
Speaker 1: of feel like your generation is a little more collegiate
Speaker 1: and a little more collaborative.
Speaker 3: I think because most of our we don't need a
Speaker 3: network anymore, you know, so we're not fighting for fifty
Speaker 3: two spots on the tonight show. We're fighting for Instagram
Speaker 3: reels or whatever. So I would say more.
Speaker 1: Collaborative, Yeah, I think to It depends on your scene.
Speaker 4: Sure, I'm based in LA you have just a lot
Speaker 4: of nasty nights, so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no one's fighting for the Tacoma Spotsy.
Speaker 4: Like, I'll go other places and I'm like, oh this
Speaker 4: is pleasant. Everyone was quite pleasant tonight like it's not
Speaker 4: you know, it's just yeah, I wouldn't necessarily say rivalries,
Speaker 4: but you know, you have people that get quite upset
Speaker 4: when like, you don't have a million followers, Well, then
Speaker 4: how did you get to the that was like, well,
Speaker 4: I'm like funny for.
Speaker 2: Real, because there's always like that.
Speaker 4: That's something that no matter how many gimmicks you have,
Speaker 4: no matter how many you know, whatever you have, like
Speaker 4: if you don't if you can't show up and show out,
Speaker 4: like if you don't have that that thirty, that forty five,
Speaker 4: that fifty, that hour for real for I, then yeah,
Speaker 4: you had a really great show that one time, and
Speaker 4: then you're never gonna get booked again. And what we're
Speaker 4: seeing is like funny. I think funny is finally starting
Speaker 4: to come back because you have all these people who
Speaker 4: got really big on their podcast during the pandemic or
Speaker 4: you know, they have this great following and then obviously
Speaker 4: people are going to come out to see them because
Speaker 4: oh my god, I love your TikTok, Oh my god,
Speaker 4: I love your podcast, and you realize, oh, they can't
Speaker 4: do stand up. And I'm not saying what they do
Speaker 4: is easy, or we'd all have millions of views sure,
Speaker 4: it's just if you're going to come into this lane,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna need you to at least learn it and
Speaker 4: respect it, because the one thing that doesn't change is
Speaker 4: the audience. Whether you've been to a stand up comedy
Speaker 4: show or not. If you're coming to see me do
Speaker 4: stand up, you're expecting to laugh. You're expecting it to
Speaker 4: be a stand up show. That's the joto, And it's
Speaker 4: like a comic like me, I'm not I always say
Speaker 4: I'm funny, I'm not famous yet, and so I'll get
Speaker 4: I'll get on the road, and I do have my
Speaker 4: clubs where I headline, but I've been asked a feature
Speaker 4: for someone who might be a really great TikToker el
Speaker 4: so that and I have on more than one occasion,
Speaker 4: you know, done my twenty minutes and now I'm eating
Speaker 4: and fifteen minutes later they're wrapping up, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: how did I do more?
Speaker 2: Fifteen minutes? And I'll then, you know, can you go
Speaker 2: back out there?
Speaker 4: And you know, Okay, well, let's let's talk about how
Speaker 4: we're going to handle that with the page.
Speaker 1: Yes, right, you want some more jokes I'm gonna need
Speaker 1: to see well, yeah, and the business is all about
Speaker 1: filling the seats now, so it's like, sure, as long
Speaker 1: as you can get people in the club, will just
Speaker 1: give you the money and go, We'll take the drink money,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I think there's also more awareness to the
Speaker 3: competitive nature of it, so like because there's way more
Speaker 3: comedy podcasts, there's more people talking about it, so you know,
Speaker 3: I think there is awareness of like comparison being the
Speaker 3: thief of joy and.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, but it also it is a time when
Speaker 1: it feels like the world of comedy is pleased a
Speaker 1: little more than for what you guys are allowed to
Speaker 1: or the orthodox say of what you're allowed to talk
Speaker 1: about and when you're not allowed to talk about. And
Speaker 1: in some regards I think it's it's a great leap forward.
Speaker 1: In other ways, I think you might be handcuffing wrong
Speaker 1: people here a little bit. I mean that, you know,
Speaker 1: when when humor is under the same rules, I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm biased, but I think human should be under
Speaker 1: a different center rules.
Speaker 2: Am I wrong?
Speaker 3: I think the intention of just telling a joke sort
Speaker 3: of is it should be a get out of jail
Speaker 3: free ish, But it's hard to judge intention and certainly
Speaker 3: that doesn't stop people from taking something and putting a
Speaker 3: different context on it. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: I think we're still the most free oh entertainment. You know,
Speaker 3: we don't have to go through a line of my
Speaker 3: brother's in directing and he's trying to get a movie
Speaker 3: made and he's a you got to go through eighteen
Speaker 3: different versions of scripts and horrendous, and then you can
Speaker 3: put it out two years later and then people will
Speaker 3: hate it, you know, Whereas like I can think of
Speaker 3: a joke that day, I can think of a joke
Speaker 3: that day and then go test it and be like, well,
Speaker 3: here we go, here we go. You know, we find
Speaker 3: out immediately and there's something appealing about that.
Speaker 2: It's also but you got you kind of have to
Speaker 2: look at who's laughing as well.
Speaker 3: I mean there's definitely people that like sometimes if you
Speaker 3: do like a like a gay joke, and then people
Speaker 3: come up to you, like when you made fun of
Speaker 3: the gay people, and you're like, I'm getting the wrong.
Speaker 4: I mean my general rule with them is this, I
Speaker 4: you know, to your point, I don't feel like anyone
Speaker 4: should be stifled and the way I too, like I'll
Speaker 4: talk about anything and everything. But as long as I'm
Speaker 4: not I know when I wrote this joke, when I
Speaker 4: came up with this bit, it was not written with
Speaker 4: malicious intent. And then for the most part, I'm talking
Speaker 4: about things that have happened to me, you know.
Speaker 2: And I told them, I was like, if you're upset,
Speaker 2: how the fuck, how the hell excuse me, what actually happened?
Speaker 4: You know what I mean, Like, it's funny now that
Speaker 4: we've worked through it, and da da, But but I
Speaker 4: think to what the over policing now does is it
Speaker 4: creates a subset of comics that are like, let me
Speaker 4: say something so outlandish. I agree that now I've pissed
Speaker 4: everybody off, and now I'm I'm in this genre of
Speaker 4: comic even though if they're not even really that person.
Speaker 2: I agree. There's a lot of comics.
Speaker 4: Where I've seen their clips and I'm like, I don't
Speaker 4: ever want to run across this person meet them, nicest
Speaker 4: person in the world. They have created this this persona.
Speaker 1: Also, it speaks to your your the idea of the
Speaker 1: illusion that they are comedians.
Speaker 2: They're not.
Speaker 1: If you're just saying a bunch of hateful ship that
Speaker 1: a bunch of other hateful people respond to, I don't
Speaker 1: feel like that is really working in the in the
Speaker 1: genre of comedy, you just.
Speaker 2: I mean, there are there are great stand up.
Speaker 1: Comedians like I think Anthony Jeselnick is a great stand
Speaker 1: up comedian who works with some stuff like there's no
Speaker 1: way I could say that or even agree with it.
Speaker 1: It's I mean, that's a terrible thing to see.
Speaker 3: He's also going for shock value, and he is, but
Speaker 3: he's also he's very skillful, and he's a good stand
Speaker 3: up as opposed to you get people who just say
Speaker 3: mean things and yeah, it's not the it's not the same.
Speaker 1: And and also I think, and I don't want to
Speaker 1: use the jesil neck as an example too much, but
Speaker 1: it is kind I kind of get the feeling that
Speaker 1: there's a wink there that you know that I know
Speaker 1: this is horrible. You know this is horrible, you know
Speaker 1: somewhere even although I would never.
Speaker 2: Admit to this, I don't mean it's the smile too. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And he's a handsome fellow too, so he can
Speaker 3: get away with a little more there.
Speaker 1: Well, And that's I think we're all in that. We're
Speaker 1: all very good looking people, and that's that's what we're.
Speaker 3: If that's what you want to believe. Sure's your podcast.
Speaker 3: You're allowed to make the rules. Does it matter good looking?
Speaker 2: Does it matter? We're not filming this right.
Speaker 4: I think stand up is the one realm where you
Speaker 4: can be like funny looking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I mean there's a lot
Speaker 2: of good look at people doing it.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, I mean it used to used to be
Speaker 1: like if you had one eye bigger than the other eye,
Speaker 1: and it's like.
Speaker 2: Well, you can't. Yeah, you can't be in the middle.
Speaker 3: You know, you got to be either so attractive that
Speaker 3: people stop scrolling or so ugly that people.
Speaker 4: Stop happening that. I can completely agree with that. Like
Speaker 4: I used to say that about weight with with actors
Speaker 4: in Hollywood. You can't be in between. You're either fit
Speaker 4: or your facts. If you're in between, it's like you're
Speaker 4: you're sloppy and you need to either get yourself together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like a lot of work. What happened?
Speaker 2: What happens when.
Speaker 1: When you start out and you make a mistake, Like
Speaker 1: to me, I think part of learning would be a
Speaker 1: stand up is you.
Speaker 2: Got to fail. You have to fail.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a it's a it's a thing that you
Speaker 1: really you're not gonna learn how to do it.
Speaker 2: Look if you I'm looking at you both.
Speaker 1: I know you both enough to know about your material
Speaker 1: that you both have fucking died up there at some
Speaker 1: point you're both good enough.
Speaker 2: I wish I hadn't posted that. But but here's the thing.
Speaker 2: That's what I was gonna say.
Speaker 1: Everything you do, like like I had to fight.
Speaker 2: To get filmed when I was starting.
Speaker 1: Now you guys are getting filmed on the way to
Speaker 1: the gay you know, so everything is get everything is
Speaker 1: there forever.
Speaker 3: All the the first four content in general is so
Speaker 3: strong that it's like, like you were saying, like every
Speaker 3: day part of your responsibilities, like do I have a
Speaker 3: clip to post?
Speaker 2: Do I have to thing to promote?
Speaker 3: Because you're always at a club and you gotta be
Speaker 3: making making a noise or whatever.
Speaker 4: Sorry, the schedule, like I have a I have a Monday, Wednesday,
Speaker 4: Friday really of what I Then I'll sit usually I
Speaker 4: sit on Sundays and I take a few hours of
Speaker 4: my day and whatever it shows I haven't clipped up yet,
Speaker 4: I'll clip those up. And then I kind of have
Speaker 4: a process where I tease my followers a little bit
Speaker 4: through my stories. I'll post clips to my stories, though
Speaker 4: those clips that get the most reactions are the ones
Speaker 4: that end up actually getting posted to the page.
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, it's a lot of work for
Speaker 1: you guys. I think it's harder. I think it's actually
Speaker 1: it's easier in one way and harder than another.
Speaker 2: I mean it's.
Speaker 3: Because more middle class, you know, I think, yeah, And
Speaker 3: whereas it used to be superstar or probably nothing, and
Speaker 3: now there's like.
Speaker 2: You can make eleven.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like one hundred seeds around town and I
Speaker 3: call it like my Eagles cover band tour. And I'm
Speaker 3: just like, you know, I go to like the b
Speaker 3: cities where I'm like, Craig Fergus isn't coming, you know,
Speaker 3: So I'm your best.
Speaker 2: But but it's the whole thing as well.
Speaker 1: Is that what I was surprised that And this is
Speaker 1: actually something that I think Bette Midler said this is
Speaker 1: that the one of the most disheartening things about success
Speaker 1: is that not everyone is happy for you. And have
Speaker 1: you noticed as because you're both moving forward, you both
Speaker 1: are You've got traction.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1: I'm mercenary enough to know, Yeah, these two have got
Speaker 1: a future, so I'll put them on. Okay, I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not without guile when it comes to this. He's
Speaker 1: more hip replacement. But it's it's kind of a it's
Speaker 1: an odd thing. Does it take that form? Have you
Speaker 1: become aware of it?
Speaker 2: Is it? Do you start to feel isolated from your
Speaker 2: peers if you do well?
Speaker 1: Like if you're filling a hundred sears before you fill
Speaker 1: one hundred seat or the people who are still not
Speaker 1: filling one hundred seies? Are you like, do you pull apart?
Speaker 1: Do they get mad at you? Do they put mean
Speaker 1: comments on your phone?
Speaker 3: No, not that I think it's like you're saying, it's
Speaker 3: sort of isolating in a way because when you're coming up,
Speaker 3: you're with your peers every night at the open mic,
Speaker 3: and and then when you start hitting the road, it's like, well,
Speaker 3: we can't both be features in Tulsa. So he's in Tallahassee,
Speaker 3: I'm in whatever, and so you know, you lose that
Speaker 3: sort of community. But I think stand ups in general
Speaker 3: have common you know, experience, So no matter where you
Speaker 3: go in the world, you need a stand up And yeah,
Speaker 3: you can become friends almost instantly because you have this
Speaker 3: shared experience of oh, let me tell you about my
Speaker 3: hell gig, and let me tell you about this, right
Speaker 3: and then this. You know, I think you'd be the
Speaker 3: change you want to see. Like I help out, I
Speaker 3: pay my opener as well. I share the money information
Speaker 3: with him to let him know. I think that avoids resentment.
Speaker 3: Is going like here's what I made, Here's what I spent,
Speaker 3: here's what I did.
Speaker 4: Right, that's terrible idea, you know. I mean, to your point,
Speaker 4: the code to my all that, all of it. I
Speaker 4: actually have his bank account number. Wow, he didn't give
Speaker 4: it to me. But but no, I think, you know, yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean it can be islaning period, just because you're
Speaker 4: on the road, you're you're in the hotel rooms. But
Speaker 4: I think the more I traveled, the more friends I
Speaker 4: make on the road, because now I'm now it's now
Speaker 4: we were all doing the same thing, you know, in
Speaker 4: this kind of realm. Like I'll probably see you get
Speaker 4: in a couple of months and it'll be like we
Speaker 4: just saw each other yesterday.
Speaker 3: I think with Instagram and stuff, you can each other's yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know you just like the.
Speaker 1: Story and you go, yeah, I remember my son saying
Speaker 1: this to me a week ago. He's twenty three, and
Speaker 1: he said, I'm meeting a friend of mine for the
Speaker 1: first time. I like, because they're friends, Yeah, he said,
Speaker 1: actually the first Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 4: But I will say this though, you do at least
Speaker 4: because I'm I'm hyper aware, I'm I'm I'm looking, I'm seeing,
Speaker 4: and you know, you when certain things have happened, at
Speaker 4: least in my career in the past couple of years,
Speaker 4: because I feel like I'm in that weird realm where
Speaker 4: in a few years people are going to say it
Speaker 4: was an overnight success, even.
Speaker 2: Though it's year twelve.
Speaker 4: And I feel that happening now with some of the
Speaker 4: things I have going on. And I think the first
Speaker 4: time I realized that everyone's not happy for you, even
Speaker 4: though we were just hanging out and kicking it was
Speaker 4: when I did JFL a few years ago, and I mean,
Speaker 4: I was over the moon. I was excited, and I
Speaker 4: just remember talking to people about it and I just
Speaker 4: so happened to I just glanced over at somebody and
Speaker 4: the look on his face and from that day, I mean,
Speaker 4: and we were very close. From that point forward, he
Speaker 4: would just kind of handle me with kid gloves. I'm like,
Speaker 4: what did I do. I'm just well that goes to
Speaker 4: the saying. They're like, if you're talking to your friends
Speaker 4: about what you're doing and it's perceived as bragging, you
Speaker 4: might need a new group because everyone I know is
Speaker 4: doing big things. So it's not like I'm bragging. I'm like, oh, well, okay,
Speaker 4: well how do I hell? He look me up with
Speaker 4: one hundred?
Speaker 3: And the thing is not the one thing is not
Speaker 3: the thing that makes you like the j f L.
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean hell anymore? You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It's like, didn't they go buster?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Man, that's.
Speaker 1: I want to tell you something that this is like,
Speaker 1: I'm definitely going to I'm the old guy talking to you.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Here's the way out of this ship. Here's the absolute
Speaker 1: fucking currency of show business. This is the secret mcguffin
Speaker 1: that will always keep you right. Money is not a success,
Speaker 1: is not artistic fulfillment is not it? You know how
Speaker 1: you surviving this fucking game? Flattery? Keep telling other people
Speaker 1: fucking great they are all the time.
Speaker 2: I really like it. You guys are.
Speaker 3: Surprise you're not wearing sandals with those Well see not?
Speaker 3: Now you went back didn't help it? Would you fell back?
Speaker 3: What they would have been getting where sandy, I can't
Speaker 3: keep off. It used to be straight to wear sandal.
Speaker 2: Earing in the wrong ear, and you're fucked now. You
Speaker 2: know what was funny? I put that the other day.
Speaker 1: I was sitting in the house with my wife and kids, and.
Speaker 2: My get it, you're actually straight.
Speaker 1: No, I never said it was a little curious. I
Speaker 1: love with your fucking labels. Man, forget that. But I'm
Speaker 1: sitting with my current family and my youngest boy said,
Speaker 1: you did you do you think you're because I used
Speaker 1: to have an earring in when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: you know, And he said, do you think your ear
Speaker 1: would still take the earring?
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh no.
Speaker 1: And my wife had an earring and she went, try
Speaker 1: this one and I put it and it went straight away,
Speaker 1: and I went, I wonder if that's because the hole
Speaker 1: is still there. Because I'm now so old in my
Speaker 1: ears are just sponging.
Speaker 4: You can actually put an earring anywhere right now.
Speaker 1: I could be like covered in it. But that's what happens.
Speaker 1: You get spongy as you get older. What about the line?
Speaker 1: What about the line? George Carlin said that, so I
Speaker 1: think we can agree.
Speaker 2: Carlin is a good call me. I like Carlin as
Speaker 2: a comedian.
Speaker 1: He said, the job of a comedian is to find
Speaker 1: where the line is and cross it deliberately.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you think I still applies? Absolutely? Yeah.
Speaker 4: But to our point with that, it's are you at
Speaker 4: least from I'm like, am I crossing this line intellectually?
Speaker 4: Because I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say something just
Speaker 4: to say it, you know, say something just for the
Speaker 4: shock value, which we've you know, talked about that there
Speaker 4: is now a subset of that because it, you know,
Speaker 4: gets people so riled up on no matter what side
Speaker 4: of the fence you're on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely, you know, think you should cross the line.
Speaker 4: One of my favorite jokes from my specialism a bit
Speaker 4: called the New Jim Crow, and it is.
Speaker 2: It.
Speaker 4: It's a very fun joke to tell because I can
Speaker 4: see people not knowing where I'm about to go with this,
Speaker 4: being very uncomfortable, and then when that punch hits, it's like, oh,
Speaker 4: but it's it's still based in reality, so it's like, well, yeah,
Speaker 4: we do kind of need to get our shit together,
Speaker 4: but you know, yes, across the lad that's what makes
Speaker 4: things funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you make people think in the way they haven't
Speaker 1: thought before. It's very rewarding. But it's I mean, and
Speaker 1: I wonder if that's part of the nature of the
Speaker 1: draw for stand up, because it's not just about making
Speaker 1: people laugh.
Speaker 2: For you.
Speaker 1: If it's this, there's got to be more, it's not
Speaker 1: there's got to be more. There is more.
Speaker 4: We say the things out loud that everybody's been through
Speaker 4: and it's like you ever have and you don't. You
Speaker 4: don't even realize that you knew that that was a
Speaker 4: thing until you hear and you're like, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2: I go through that. I've been through that, I've done that.
Speaker 1: What about the idea that it's not a linear progression
Speaker 1: with stand ups? And I'll tell you what I mean
Speaker 1: by that. It's like if you look at uh, there's
Speaker 1: a stand up called Dayton Cook.
Speaker 2: Right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now, I think Dane now is the best he's ever been.
Speaker 1: But he's not playing anything like the rooms he was
Speaker 1: playing twenty years ago Madison Square Garden, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: because that because that would I think they might have been.
Speaker 1: The first was like MySpace or something that blew him
Speaker 1: up and he was like it was a super fashionable thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my space that was when the Internet was powerd by.
Speaker 2: But tell me what my space was used to do.
Speaker 2: He wouldn't have a topic. And if you took somebody out,
Speaker 2: that was it. That's it.
Speaker 1: There was like five people on the Internet at the time.
Speaker 2: It was quiet.
Speaker 1: But friend couldn't be on the phone at the same
Speaker 1: time as it cuts you off.
Speaker 2: My dad just to put the his jacket on to
Speaker 2: answer the phone. That's how old. Just like a phone
Speaker 2: on the wall.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it wasn't on the wall, sure, yeah, it
Speaker 1: was like one of those phones, you know that, the
Speaker 1: Three Stooges phones. Yeah, it's but it's a different time
Speaker 1: and so it's it's it's different now. And what I
Speaker 1: think is the pressure on you guys is to succeed
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 2: And I kind of wonder what's the end.
Speaker 1: Game if you're a young comic right now when you
Speaker 1: both are what is there Because it used to be
Speaker 1: like if I get the gig on Carson, if I
Speaker 1: do if I get called to the couch when I'm
Speaker 1: on the show with Johnny Carson, if I do the
Speaker 1: HBO specially right do you know there.
Speaker 3: Was always we're talking about earlier, like there is no
Speaker 3: one thing anymore necessarily. So it's got to come, like
Speaker 3: the joy has got to come from within, right, So
Speaker 3: Like I just did a show for my dad in Vegas,
Speaker 3: and twenty minutes of it is about him. And then
Speaker 3: when I get home, my mom is like, that was
Speaker 3: my favorite show ever. I'm like, well, yeah, because I
Speaker 3: made fun of him for a half the hour. But
Speaker 3: that gives me the joy of like, oh, that's going
Speaker 3: to push me for a couple more days, you know,
Speaker 3: until I need a new source of motivation or whatever.
Speaker 3: But well, that's but that's what you're not living for
Speaker 3: the late night I mean, this podcast is my dream.
Speaker 4: Yeah sure, I mean for me, my my perfect career
Speaker 4: would be if I'm not on stage, I'm on set.
Speaker 4: If I'm not on set, I'm on stage. Stand up
Speaker 4: was never supposed to happen. I've I've I went to
Speaker 4: school for theater. I love acting, and it's crazy because
Speaker 4: all the roles I book are very serious. I don't
Speaker 4: book many comedic roles, so stand up gives me this
Speaker 4: duality where I'm kind of like able to unleash. So
Speaker 4: you know, but you know, we had the pandemic, then
Speaker 4: you have to strike, so it's like now that things
Speaker 4: are kind of picking up steam again, it's like we're
Speaker 4: getting closer to having you know, more auditions, more bookings,
Speaker 4: and yeah, that's what that's that's what I would love.
Speaker 1: That's what to me, Well, I just stand up as
Speaker 1: a kind of way to get my union card.
Speaker 2: That was the only reason is that?
Speaker 3: So usually the other way around, people are like, you
Speaker 3: need something to support your stand up habit?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but no.
Speaker 1: To me, and in fight, Late Night was the pinnacle
Speaker 1: of this because it used to talk about everyone that
Speaker 1: I met, or or a lot of journalists or a
Speaker 1: lot of people I met when I was doing Late Night.
Speaker 1: It'd be like, oh, it's the dream job, the late
Speaker 1: night showing. I'm like, is it? Because to me it
Speaker 1: was like being a fucking realtor you know. It was like,
Speaker 1: well it was in town and it's it's not a
Speaker 1: it's not a great job, but you get your photograph
Speaker 1: on bus yeah stops and you know, and it's okay.
Speaker 2: But I never wanted to be it.
Speaker 1: And if you don't want to be it and other
Speaker 1: people want it, they can get mad at you for that.
Speaker 1: It's like you're being disrespectful about it or something ungrateful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's not that I was very grateful for it.
Speaker 1: I changed my life. It was fantastic, but but it
Speaker 1: wasn't aspirational for me.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to be a standout comedian. But I
Speaker 2: think that showed in your show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, put a tucking robot.
Speaker 1: Choice, by the way, that was a good robot. I
Speaker 1: mean the robot was emblematic of how badly I failed
Speaker 1: it late night because I thought I'm going to put
Speaker 1: this ironic robo.
Speaker 2: You know, you're a your time.
Speaker 3: You got replaced by AI, right.
Speaker 1: But the thing is it wasn't a It exactly a
Speaker 1: very talented human being called Josh Robert Thompson who was
Speaker 1: doing the robot. It wasn't a robot at all. And
Speaker 1: then he get mad at me for a while because
Speaker 1: he's like, well I should be famous for the Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's the robot.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And we figured it out. But it was.
Speaker 3: Mister ed too. He was always going her it's me. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Oh my god, am I am. I will word for
Speaker 3: mister that. Fuck you guys, Well, I can't believe this.
Speaker 3: You really happy after this? Open this up? You have
Speaker 3: you know the thing about the podcast? Send you an
Speaker 3: invoice for the therapy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's this is what this is. But you know
Speaker 2: what it is. It's actually it is in a way.
Speaker 1: I kind of sorbet after late night doing this because
Speaker 1: all I do here is talk to people want to
Speaker 1: talk to.
Speaker 2: And if you do a show every.
Speaker 1: Night, you're talking to people you don't want to time,
Speaker 1: you're talking to people you don't want to talk to.
Speaker 2: It now it's work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and especially if that show is a hit, and
Speaker 1: especially if it's on broadcast TV, then you're going to
Speaker 1: be talking to a lot of.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they probably shuffle in here.
Speaker 3: We're promoting this all the fuss whatever, and you're like.
Speaker 2: And you know what, sometimes you get surprised.
Speaker 1: You're like you think, I don't want to talk to
Speaker 1: that guy, and then like your best friends forever, and
Speaker 1: then sometimes you think this is going to be great,
Speaker 1: and you're like, it's why I would never allow anyone
Speaker 1: from the Sopranos on the show while I was running,
Speaker 1: because I was like, I love the Sopranos.
Speaker 2: I want that in my head. Yeah yeah I don't
Speaker 2: want to. I mean you're going to do that now.
Speaker 2: You're running into people.
Speaker 1: You're in show business, you're running the people that you
Speaker 1: admire and it's not always fun.
Speaker 3: No, I think it's there's something enlightening almost where you're
Speaker 3: like I get to see a humanside of them, and
Speaker 3: it's sort of less pressure on you to go Like
Speaker 3: some of my heroes are also fucked up people. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and they're just humans. I've had this experience with my
Speaker 3: parents too lately where they stop.
Speaker 2: You're seeing your prints are fucked up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they like stopped pretending that they haven't together,
Speaker 3: like all right, Well, and so my mom and I
Speaker 3: were going for a walk and she's a little lonely,
Speaker 3: but she met this random lady on the street walking
Speaker 3: her dog in the neighborhood, and she talked to her
Speaker 3: for fifteen minutes and then we walked away, like, oh,
Speaker 3: you made a new friend.
Speaker 2: She's weird. I'm like, you just talk to her for
Speaker 2: twenty minutes, Like you're weird too. Yeah, we're all weird.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think that's the gift of stand up though,
Speaker 4: versus acting is because with stand up comedian was stand
Speaker 4: up comedy. There's only one way to get out. You
Speaker 4: got to go to the clubs. Yeah, you got to
Speaker 4: get on stage. So we end up on stage with
Speaker 4: you know, famous comedians because it's eleven o'clock at the
Speaker 4: store and they're trying to get they need to get
Speaker 4: something out real quick. Sure, and so you know you're
Speaker 4: you're in these situations where you do meet them, and
Speaker 4: to your point, yeah, it's like it humanizes them, it
Speaker 4: normalizes them. But it also what I find is it
Speaker 4: makes it very interesting. Like when my friends ask me
Speaker 4: about so I don't even I don't get into conversations
Speaker 4: with what I call civilians about comedians because if I'm
Speaker 4: like I don't like this, I'm not saying I don't
Speaker 4: think he's funny. I'm telling you I think he's an
Speaker 4: asshole because I've seen him be an asshole. And I
Speaker 4: don't want to ruin that for you because you want
Speaker 4: to go see this movie and I'll sit through it.
Speaker 4: But in my mind, I'm like, this guy cussed my
Speaker 4: friend out yesterday for stepping out the.
Speaker 1: Show, you know what I mean, Like there's something no
Speaker 1: I get that, and I mean and that's kind of
Speaker 1: why I was so careful about I never had the
Speaker 1: sopranos on, and I never I don't know if he
Speaker 1: would ever have done it, but I would never invite
Speaker 1: David Boy on sh love David Boy, and I was like,
Speaker 1: if David Boy turns out to be an asshole, what
Speaker 1: the fuck am I going to do that? That's like
Speaker 1: four years worth of great music.
Speaker 3: You're probably upset about the Diddy news too, Yeah, to
Speaker 3: see one of your heroes taken down. So yeah.
Speaker 1: There is a weird thing though, and it it is
Speaker 1: a thing that I think your generation is much more
Speaker 1: in trouble with than my generation was, is that you
Speaker 1: have to be a nice person apparently, like you know,
Speaker 1: you have.
Speaker 2: To be like you have to be kind of uh.
Speaker 1: It's you know, people will say have you met celebrity
Speaker 1: action sy And then one of the first things they'll
Speaker 1: say is are they nice?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Like why is that fucking matter?
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I'll just be like they're cool. Yeah, Like
Speaker 4: that's that's my tell. If you know that I don't
Speaker 4: want to talk about this person. They're full and let's just.
Speaker 2: Stand up language like, oh they're a great guy.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: It's like not funny, but I mean, listen, you did
Speaker 2: what you needed to do. How do you feel about
Speaker 2: how do you feel about it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: If anybody asked you, do you feel it went?
Speaker 2: Well? Jesus, where do you think you lost them? Do
Speaker 2: you know what?
Speaker 1: Do you know what I've been starting the act with recently,
Speaker 1: though I don't think you can do it until you're old,
Speaker 1: but I've been starting it with.
Speaker 2: You know, like I've been doing this for a long time.
Speaker 2: I've won some awards, I've made a little money. So
Speaker 2: if it sucks tonight, it's not me.
Speaker 1: We were talking about that in Yeah the first time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I started putting that you're like these people, I'm right,
Speaker 1: like the math Max, this is on my you know,
Speaker 1: it's like your brothers suck. You're fifteen minutes being an audience.
Speaker 1: You decide on me?
Speaker 2: Fuck you?
Speaker 3: Yeah, they have ten thousand hours of being a critic, right,
Speaker 3: But that's.
Speaker 1: It's kind of It's kind of odd though, for for
Speaker 1: you guys, because people make up their minds about you
Speaker 1: in forty five seconds, thirty seconds. I mean, yeah, you
Speaker 1: can friend zone, I get it. Yeah, Well, just with
Speaker 1: the idea of you know, doing stand up. You do
Speaker 1: one joke that they don't like.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 4: You're done with stand up. You're as good as whatever
Speaker 4: set you just finished, Like, yeah.
Speaker 3: But that's a set. I'm talking like, in the middle
Speaker 3: of a set, do you like, lose them. Yeh yeah,
Speaker 3: you can lose them, but the job is bring them back.
Speaker 3: You know, you fuck up, you get you turn it around,
Speaker 3: but you can't because so much of what you guys
Speaker 3: are doing now I feel is the pressure is extreme.
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm wrong, you know, I think that the pressure
Speaker 3: is on you to provide this free content on cell
Speaker 3: phones that for it just doesn't fucking sit right with me.
Speaker 2: But I don't know what you you there.
Speaker 4: You have to be strategic with it, because my thing
Speaker 4: is I don't I would hate for you to come
Speaker 4: to my show and you're like, I've seen all this
Speaker 4: on her Instagram.
Speaker 2: I've seen all of these jokes on her Instagram.
Speaker 4: I've seen this all So you know, you just have strategies,
Speaker 4: you know, with how you post what you post. Like
Speaker 4: if I'm posting clips of jokes, you know, it's usually
Speaker 4: something that's probably already been on my special and I'm
Speaker 4: just I've done this. I mean, just because I've done
Speaker 4: it on my special doesn't mean I'm not going to
Speaker 4: do it at the room in Torrance. And I'm going
Speaker 4: to do it in Torrance. I don't care it's Torrance.
Speaker 1: And yeah, every type I do a special before it
Speaker 1: comes out, you're still doing the material, and then.
Speaker 2: A couple of monks and it's like, what the fuck
Speaker 2: that joke?
Speaker 3: I mean, they say like great artist, never finished it
Speaker 3: as abandoned.
Speaker 2: To make me feel better? Do you know who said that?
Speaker 1: Actually, Michelangelo, he was and you will funny.
Speaker 2: I was there. I was there. That was when my
Speaker 2: ears were still. You were a boy for the chapel.
Speaker 2: I know, I was the model of the model. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's the model. Now. Obviously it was a cold day, but.
Speaker 3: I was was that your gay experience where you're touching
Speaker 3: the finger?
Speaker 1: You know, if I if I was touching a finger
Speaker 1: made you gay? I gaate a lot more than I thought.
Speaker 1: But I gave I touched more than a finger, don't know.
Speaker 1: Oh you know what the.
Speaker 3: First time you mentioned that on this podcast? No, okay,
Speaker 3: no already anywhere today.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: I did this because I used to do this thing
Speaker 1: when people it was a couple of years back, pre
Speaker 1: I guess wokeness or something. People would use the word
Speaker 1: gay as a kind of slop when we were kids,
Speaker 1: like that's gay. Yeah yeah, And I didn't like almostually right.
Speaker 1: It was just like we're using it for like lame
Speaker 1: or something.
Speaker 2: And I didn't like it. So I used to do
Speaker 2: this bit.
Speaker 1: In the act about yeah, I gay and and uh,
Speaker 1: and I said, well, of course I did. I mean,
Speaker 1: how you know you're gonna like something until you try it, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I like chicken fingers, well, put
Speaker 1: one in your mouth. Yeah, you feel and needs a
Speaker 1: little sauce. I know this that you'd be surprised how
Speaker 1: quickly that sauce arise.
Speaker 2: But I digress. I'm here for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's getting a bit penisy.
Speaker 2: I apologize. OK's all right, that's where you're here to
Speaker 2: balance it out. Yeah, I'm sorry, I got penis. That's
Speaker 2: not the first time I've said that I like it.
Speaker 1: I like it, you know, give it a try, That's
Speaker 1: what I say. Guys, you guys, you've been awesome. It's
Speaker 1: been lovely talking to you. I am encouraged for the
Speaker 1: state of young comedy in America.
Speaker 2: It's nice. Yeah it is. You're both really good stand ups.
Speaker 2: You're great. You're going to get better and you're great now.
Speaker 1: And I love that you're feeling it and doing it
Speaker 1: and it's it's impressive.
Speaker 2: Well done. Thank you, keep fucking going.
Speaker 1: And lay off the drugs, nothing hard, playoff the penisf that's.
Speaker 2: Going to be easier for both of you.
Speaker 3: H