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Speaker 2: This is episode four forty seven, Zach Topp. I heard

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's gonna be poor.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because he's really good, no doubt about it. But

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Speaker 2: the first time I heard him without really seeing him,

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Speaker 2: I thought, oh, I see why Jake like some Jake

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Speaker 2: I don't know, fifty three, but he's like right above

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Speaker 3: Even just say speaking voice is much much older.

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Speaker 2: It's like an adult man. Yeah, I really like Zach.

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Speaker 2: After hanging out with him, for sure. He released his

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Speaker 2: debut single, Sounds Like the Radio. And also, you think

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Speaker 2: when you hang out with him, because he's a cowboy.

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Speaker 2: He's like a real life cowboy, and you think, hmmm,

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Speaker 2: what are we going to talk about, like how nice

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Speaker 2: is or how warm will a cowboy be? Because some

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Speaker 2: not that warm. It sounds like a country song already.

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Speaker 2: I know he's I mean, I really like Zach top

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Speaker 2: so you can follow him. Zach underscore top a couple things.

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Speaker 2: It was the number one most added song that sounds

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Speaker 2: really cool. His debut album, Cold Beer and Country Music

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Speaker 2: It came out on April fifth, and so what was

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Speaker 2: Landy Wilson. I don't know what else to say. He's

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Speaker 2: a great mustache. Oh dude, it's solid. It's like it's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm jealous.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, would you grow a mustache. She could. I can't.

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Speaker 2: Is that hispanic thing?

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Speaker 2: You are a failure to your genetics.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, now my family.

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Speaker 2: Zach underscore Top on Instagram, Zach top on TikTok z ah.

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Speaker 2: Here he is. I didn't know what I was getting.

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Speaker 2: Didn't expect him to be young and super nice. Here

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Speaker 2: he is, Zach Top. Is that good to meet you, buddy?

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Speaker 2: I use will Bobby, thank you one of my I mean,

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Speaker 2: now it's it's spread like a positive virus. But at

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Speaker 2: traditional in the sense of traditional compared to today. Yeah. Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: There's been a bunch that have reached out and been

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Even I mean really even to me, he's like, man,

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Speaker 2: So it's not even just the cowboy hat. It's not

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Speaker 1: No, lord, No, I couldn't look at my face, Bobby,

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Speaker 2: But what about school? What was how big was your school?

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Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. So you, you and two of your siblings

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Speaker 1: My sister Maddie's an awesome singer as well, and Jorman

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Speaker 1: Lakenar too, but we the two of us did most

434
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Speaker 1: of the lead singing. And yeah, I really it was

435
00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,399
Speaker 1: a long time before I ever thought anything about now,

436
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Speaker 1: maybe I could actually do this for a living.

437
00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,520
Speaker 2: It just I was ate up with the music. I

438
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Speaker 2: loved it. It was just passion. It was just it

439
00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:09,200
Speaker 2: was just a love yep. Whole bunch of old bluegrass records.

440
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Speaker 1: I remember I got a box set thing with like

441
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Speaker 1: eighty George Jones songs on a CD. I went through

442
00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:17,000
Speaker 1: all of those, learned all that stuff. I remember the

443
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Speaker 1: first time they had the uh Don't Close your Eyes

444
00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,600
Speaker 1: tape of Keith Whitley, and I about lost it when

445
00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:24,320
Speaker 1: I heard that thing.

446
00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:26,440
Speaker 2: Learned every song off of it. And then it's like

447
00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,880
Speaker 2: you're two hundred inside of a body of a well

448
00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,680
Speaker 2: seven year old. Yeah, now twenty five, do you did

449
00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:35,440
Speaker 2: you always feel a bit more mature than the kids

450
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Speaker 2: your age when it came to the art that you enjoyed.

451
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think so, And I always, you know,

452
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Speaker 1: I think I always hung out with you know kids

453
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Speaker 1: that were I played up a good bit, whether it

454
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Speaker 1: was sports or music or anything. I was always hanging

455
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Speaker 1: with kids that were a couple of years older than me,

456
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Speaker 1: and and especially in.

457
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Speaker 2: The in the music sense of it.

458
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Speaker 1: I guess I grew up with a handful of guys

459
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Speaker 1: that I ended playing in a band with called North

460
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Speaker 1: Country for a little while. And those, you know, they're

461
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Speaker 1: most of the guys in that band were ten years

462
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Speaker 1: older than me or something, but I love they.

463
00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,240
Speaker 2: Were because I'm familiar with the band. Yeah, so like

464
00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,959
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen, you guys start, what was your role in

465
00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,199
Speaker 2: that band? It was I came in.

466
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Speaker 1: They they had a mandolin player that got picked up

467
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Speaker 1: by it.

468
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Speaker 2: Now they find it.

469
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Speaker 1: We just uh, they were Washington guys too, so all

470
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Speaker 1: the festivals up in the Pacific Northwest, we were going

471
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Speaker 1: to all the same festivals, so we'd see each other,

472
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Speaker 1: non stuff, you know, just for a long time, just

473
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Speaker 1: jam and having fun. We didn't think it was. But

474
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Speaker 1: when they lost that fellow Nick Doomas did most of

475
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Speaker 1: the lead singing for him and played mandlin, they asked

476
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Speaker 1: me if I would like to learn mandlin and come

477
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Speaker 1: be their lead singer.

478
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Speaker 2: So did you learn mandolin. Was it pretty easy to

479
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Speaker 2: go one to the other.

480
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Speaker 1: On the one hand, Yeah, it's it's weird. It's just

481
00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,359
Speaker 1: like technical things. It's a different attack that took me

482
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Speaker 1: a little bit to get used to. But they asked me,

483
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Speaker 1: I guess in like November of twenty fourteen. I think

484
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,440
Speaker 1: our first show was in February of twenty fifteen.

485
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Speaker 2: Man, it's awesome because I want to watch Ricky Skaggs. Yeah,

486
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:13,800
Speaker 2: and I know Ricky from me playing the opera at

487
00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,800
Speaker 2: the same Yeah, and I was a Ricky Skaggs fan, yeah,

488
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:18,320
Speaker 2: as a kid, and then get to get to know

489
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Speaker 2: Ricky at the opry. Yeah, But then to watch them

490
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:26,159
Speaker 2: play up it's just yeah, it's so yeah. Man, it

491
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,560
Speaker 2: just feels so intense up it close, way, way more

492
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Speaker 2: intense than it seems from afar.

493
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think it's I think it's a more

494
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Speaker 1: difficult instrument to play in my opinion the guitar, And

495
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Speaker 1: probably that's partly because I've spent more time on the guitar,

496
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Speaker 1: but like just from like physically, you got two strings,

497
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Speaker 1: you know, the double strings tune the same, so you're

498
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Speaker 1: depressing two strings at a time instead of just one.

499
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Speaker 2: You know, just little things like that.

500
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Speaker 1: I felt like it was hard on my hands compared

501
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,840
Speaker 1: to and it's tiny too, like you're wrapped around a

502
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Speaker 1: whole handle with your hand and the frets are smaller.

503
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Speaker 1: I felt like it was kind of I faked my

504
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Speaker 1: way through it.

505
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Speaker 2: When's the last time you played a mandlin? It's been

506
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Speaker 2: a minute. If I handed you one, could you fake

507
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 2: it like you did? You can't? Oh yeah, I could

508
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Speaker 2: play I fake it. I'll still play it, yeah, yeah, yeah,

509
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 2: but you could make somebody feel like yeah of course, yeah. Yeah. Man.

510
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Speaker 2: That week, I can't think anything that good. Nothing, I

511
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Speaker 2: can't think anything.

512
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 1: I've gotten so good at faking so much stuff. I'm

513
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Speaker 1: telling you.

514
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Speaker 4: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor,

515
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Speaker 4: and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

516
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Speaker 2: So you're in another band at this point. It's another group.

517
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Speaker 2: It's another group dynamic yp were the thoughts ever? Hey,

518
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Speaker 2: I think I can do this by myself or I

519
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Speaker 2: want to pursue something not to lose the other guys,

520
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 2: but something that's more real, true and traditional to me,

521
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,440
Speaker 2: which is you know the sound we call your traditional sound? Now, yeah,

522
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,919
Speaker 2: when did that start kind of creeping in that was.

523
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Speaker 1: I guess when I started work working with Carson Chamberlain,

524
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 1: my producer and co writer on everything, that started to

525
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Speaker 1: feel like once I started working with him, he was

526
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Speaker 1: really focused on trying to like That's why from the

527
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Speaker 1: first times we talked together he impressed upon me in

528
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Speaker 1: the importance of that too, Like, all right, so we

529
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Speaker 1: know you love Keith Whitley, and you love George Jones,

530
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Speaker 1: you love Merle Haggard, and you love George straight. But

531
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Speaker 1: when you sing a Keith Whitley song, you got to

532
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Speaker 1: start figuring out how to sing like Zach not like

533
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Speaker 1: Keith Whitley all the time. And you know, or whoever

534
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,400
Speaker 1: it was that I was covering the song, and so

535
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Speaker 1: there was a lot of you know, when we would

536
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Speaker 1: be writing, and or even when I just listen to

537
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Speaker 1: demos or whatever it was, it was a lot of

538
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 1: working on figuring out my thing that was, you know,

539
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Speaker 1: gonna set me apart from everybody else. And so at

540
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Speaker 1: that point I think it started being like, all right,

541
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Speaker 1: this needs to be my thing, not as much of

542
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 1: a The way all those bluegrass bands worked was, you know,

543
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 1: it's a collie of effort. Everybody's got their input on

544
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 1: what songs they think we should be doing and how

545
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:05,120
Speaker 1: we should arrange them, and.

546
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 2: You know, all this different type of stuff.

547
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Speaker 1: And so once I started, yeah, focusing in on who

548
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: I was as an artist, then it all of a

549
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 1: sudden it felt important that it's like, all right, I

550
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,159
Speaker 1: got to call the shots now, sort of like when.

551
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Speaker 2: You were seven, Yeah, exactly. North Country was North Country

552
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 2: bluegrass though. Yeah, well so that was a issue.

553
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, very much like if you the early skag stuff,

554
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Speaker 1: and you know, even Whitley in that last you know

555
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Speaker 1: thing he did with J. D. Crow where it was

556
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 1: it was mostly bluegrass instruments, but they had some drums

557
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 1: on some stuff, and some steel on some stuff, and

558
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Speaker 1: piano I think too in.

559
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Speaker 2: There a little bit.

560
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Speaker 1: We loved everybody in that North Country band was a

561
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Speaker 1: big fan of that kind of hybrid thing. So we

562
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 1: were doing a bunch of country songs. We played all

563
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:51,479
Speaker 1: bluegrass instruments. It was an entirely acoustic band, but we

564
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Speaker 1: we loved, you know, bridging that gap a little bit between.

565
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Speaker 2: Since you were the young, they were ten years older

566
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Speaker 2: or so. Generally was their mind, Hey, we're just doing

567
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 2: this for fun. We got jobs and kids.

568
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Speaker 1: Mostly, Yeah, I mean they they all loved the music.

569
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Speaker 1: There was one other kid that was he's a couple

570
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 1: or yeah, a year or two younger than I am.

571
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 1: Whose phenomenal musicians from up in uh Squamish, British Columbia.

572
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: So we were the youngest in the band. And but

573
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Speaker 1: the older guys I think definitely was more of a

574
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Speaker 1: for fun thing.

575
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Speaker 2: It's funny. The other guy that was kind of the

576
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Speaker 2: band leader.

577
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Speaker 1: I started being responsible for a lot of the song

578
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 1: selection and in uh set list or like writing yeah,

579
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,919
Speaker 1: set list. And but this guy, Will mc seventy was

580
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: kind of the band leader. He ran the you know,

581
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: as far as the business side of things and everything.

582
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 1: He took care of all of that and did some

583
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:45,679
Speaker 1: of the co writing on some of them songs with

584
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,400
Speaker 1: me too. He was he's here in Nashville now, he's

585
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: got a little he's got a small bluegrass label.

586
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 2: He's got a few artists signed too.

587
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Speaker 1: So he's kind of you know, I think, really enjoys

588
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Speaker 1: the business side of the thing, probably more than the

589
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: you know, being the one on stage making the music.

590
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: So he's in the music business still. But I think, yeah,

591
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 1: for the rest of them, it was more of a

592
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 1: you know, it's a fun thing to do on the weekends.

593
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Speaker 2: If you're in a band and I don't know, did

594
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 2: you sneak off and do something by yourself for the

595
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 2: first time or were you just like, I'm gonna go

596
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Speaker 2: recorded you just like the band's no longer, I'm gonna

597
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 2: just like the first song you recorded? Was it under

598
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 2: the because once I snuck and worked at another radio station,

599
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 2: didn't tell anybody. Yes, yeah, use a fake name, because like,

600
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 2: let me see if I like it. Yeah, what was

601
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 2: the first record when it was just Zacktop or was

602
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 2: it Zachtop? Was that your name? Yeah? Oh yeah, okay, Yeah,

603
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 2: So what was the first song you recorded? And was

604
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 2: it when you were like, I'm not in the band anymore?

605
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: No, it was so after that North Country band, I

606
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 1: joined up with another group that was I mean they

607
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 1: were all scattered around. Fiddle player from Murphy's Boro, bass

608
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 1: player from just outside of Saint Louis, mandolin.

609
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Speaker 2: Player still living up there. I was still living in

610
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Speaker 2: Colorado at the time. Yeah, and uh, and I don't

611
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 2: even know when you moved in Colorado. Oh yeah, that

612
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 2: was seventeen.

613
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 1: We played our last show with the Family Band the

614
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: summer of twenty fifteen, and you moved to Colorado eventeen

615
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 1: for what reason? Both my sisters were moving out there.

616
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 1: My parents kind of shipped me off. They wanted me

617
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: to get out of town. I was dating a little gal,

618
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 1: and they thought I shouldn't have a little business.

619
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, that's making sure. She's a regular side. Okay, regular, God,

620
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 2: it's making sure. Yeah.

621
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: So they they kind of were like, because I thought

622
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 1: I was gonna stay there and uh, you know, just

623
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 1: get married her and get married and go to wazoo

624
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: or something, And anyway ended up that's WSU I guess

625
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: probably for Washington people.

626
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. Perfect.

627
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: So anyway, they kind of My sisters were going out

628
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 1: to Colorado to see you, and they kind of just

629
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 1: shipped me off with them. And you living Boulder yep,

630
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 1: as a bolder for the first it was really fun

631
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: while I was. I was in school there for a

632
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: year and had a blast while that went on. As

633
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,719
Speaker 1: soon as I had decided I was done with school

634
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: and quit that and started working.

635
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 2: I got pretty tired of it pretty quick. What'd you

636
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 2: do for work? I started working construction? Were you still

637
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 2: playing music? Yeah? On weekends yep. And what did you think?

638
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 2: What did you foresee happening within the next five years

639
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 2: or so once you decided school's not for me. Yeah,

640
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 2: you still played music, obviously loved it. Did you see

641
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 2: a future in it for you long term? Yeah? Yeah.

642
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 1: That was the reason that I quit school was that

643
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 1: was like, hell, I'm well, I guess I was only

644
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: one year away from finishing I was a mechanical engineer.

645
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 2: I was only one year away from finishing my degree.

646
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 2: Didn't you want to hang another year? Huh?

647
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 5: No.

648
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 2: I was just like, I.

649
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: Gotta be done with this, and you know it's going

650
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: into debt on school. I felt like I was just

651
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: digging myself a hole to where obviously, knowing what I

652
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: know now on the music business side of things, it's

653
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: not good to start in a hole because you're going

654
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: to get yourself in more one trying to start this

655
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: kind of career. So but the yeah, I basically was

656
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: just like, I got to make some money and save

657
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: it up so I can move to Nashville.

658
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 2: So that's why you're working.

659
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: Yep, that's why I decided to quit and what my

660
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: parents were thrilled as you can imagine that I decided

661
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: to quit my mechanical engineering degree before.

662
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 2: You know one year, I get it, I get it.

663
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 2: I see why. Oh I know I quit as a sophomore.

664
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 2: Yeah no, not a junior senior. Yeah, but no, you

665
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 2: knew what you wanted to do. You're right, and you

666
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 2: obviously had a head on your shoulders. It was pretty

667
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 2: good considering how old you were. That seems to be

668
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 2: the thing that's in common throughout your whole life, if

669
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 2: you're seven, or if you're nine running the band, or

670
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 2: if so when you moved to Nashville, what was that

671
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 2: number you needed to hit, either financially or because you're

672
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 2: saving up money? But what are you saving to have

673
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 2: so you can move out? Just enough to move to

674
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 2: move and half five thousand of the bank? Like, what

675
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 2: was it?

676
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: I think more than financially, it was just like to

677
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 1: be in a position where I and you know, construction

678
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: is just a thing. You can do that anywhere, So

679
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: that was kind of I'll save up a little money

680
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 1: and then I'll move to Nashville. I'm sure I can

681
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: get a construction job out there, and that's what I

682
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: did for the first little bit that I was out here.

683
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: But I think more than anything, like I didn't know

684
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: how to get to Nashville, or what the hell I

685
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: was going to do when I got here. I had

686
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: no clue about the music business outside of just you know,

687
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: the tiny.

688
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 2: Little world of bluegrass.

689
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: So when I started talking to Carson, that was Carton

690
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: Chamberlin yep, Carson Chamberlain.

691
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 2: Uh Spring of twenty eighteen.

692
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: After Daryl Singletary passed away, I put up a video

693
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: of his song Spilled Whiskey, and that thing kind of

694
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: blew up for me.

695
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 2: I'd never you know, i'd been.

696
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: I'd started posting some videos just pretty much on Facebook.

697
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: I guess I didn't even have a Instagram. I don't

698
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: think anyway, I was. I was posting stuff on Facebook,

699
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: and i'd got, you know, fifteen hundred views on a

700
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: video before or something, and that thing kind of took

701
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: off and shot up to three hundred thousand views on it,

702
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: and had a bunch of people reaching out to me.

703
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: Were you living here then or still color out? Yes, sir,

704
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: I had a bunch of people. You know, I felt

705
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: like shyster's for her a better term. You know, it's

706
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: the kind of thing whereas you can come up with

707
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: twenty thousand dollars and you know, we'll cut your record

708
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: and put it out. It was I didn't know anything,

709
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: but I knew that that didn't feel right, and I

710
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: was pretty sure that wasn't the way it worked. But

711
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: around that same time, Carson Uh reached out to me

712
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: and we started talking, and you know, just seeing his

713
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: resume and all the you know, hit songs and people

714
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: he's produced and all the work he's done throughout the industry,

715
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: was like, all right, this guy's a real deal. And

716
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: from the you know, moment we first started talking, he

717
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: was much more of a long term, big picture. You know,

718
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: we're not going in and cutting next week, We're probably

719
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: not doing it this year. And so it was that

720
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: made sense to me that it everything he was saying

721
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: and telling me felt like the way to build a career,

722
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: not just like let's capitalize off a little bit of

723
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: online buzz.

724
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 2: Was that video going a bit viral? What was the

725
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 2: final part of the catapult that made you just go,

726
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 2: I got I need to get out there.

727
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: I think it talking to Carson was was what kind

728
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: of he find you?

729
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 2: Because the video?

730
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he found me Country Rebel if you know

731
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: that page they had reposted that video and Uh and

732
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: so he found it on there and starting to you know,

733
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: I spent better part of two years flying in and

734
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: out of town. I'd come, you know, once a month,

735
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,959
Speaker 1: I'd come in for a week and he'd set up

736
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: co writes for us. I'd stay at his house and

737
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: all that. We did that for a little while. But

738
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: that was finally once I started working with him, that

739
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: felt like, Okay, now I've got something to move out

740
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: there for. And because as much as bad as I

741
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: wanted to get out here, I didn't feel like there

742
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: was much point in, you know, just coming out with

743
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: nothing to I don't know, I guess it just finally validated.

744
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 2: That's like, all right, this guy wants to work with

745
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 2: me a shot. Yeah, now, like lend you stand his

746
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 2: how yeah? Oh yeah, oh yeah.

747
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: He's treated me like another kid to his make you

748
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: do the dishes well sometimes.

749
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,719
Speaker 2: Okay, See that's how you know it's real. Absolutely, So

750
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 2: you're moving from Colorado to Nashville. You just pack up

751
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 2: the truck and drive it. Were you more excited or

752
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 2: nervous or were you what was your mindset, like, let's

753
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 2: just give it a shot and see what happens. If not,

754
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 2: worst case, I go back home.

755
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was pumped I was very excited. And you know,

756
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: it was funny when I told my parents I was

757
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: quitting school and coming out here, like I said, they

758
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: were not thrilled.

759
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 2: I was being facetious. They were not fans of that.

760
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 2: I think we all got that, yeah, yeah, yeah.

761
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: And so it was I had a bit of a

762
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: rocky relationship with them for a little bit.

763
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 2: Really. It did create a bit of splinter for a while. Yep,

764
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 2: it did.

765
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: And then but I think, as you know, when I

766
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: could call home and tell him I was working with

767
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: this Carson Chamberlain guy and explain to them, you know,

768
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: what he'd been been doing for the last forty years

769
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: and you know, send home some of the songs we've

770
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: been writing and that sort of thing, I think that

771
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: validated it to them as well, and so I think

772
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: they kind of jumped all on board and they were

773
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: very supportive after a minute. So it did feel like

774
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: when I moved out here, it's like, I'm gonna go

775
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: for it. We'll see, I've got a you know, safety

776
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: net I can, I've got family, and I felt like

777
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: I had Carson looking after me to where I didn't

778
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: feel like I was just going to be out here

779
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:27,240
Speaker 1: on my own trying.

780
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 2: To figure out through the barren tundra of Nashville, what

781
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 2: was this sound like for you when you moved out here,

782
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 2: or at least what did it? What was your perception

783
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 2: of Nashville the first six months, because my definite perception

784
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 2: was different than what it is now. It was dumb.

785
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 2: I hated it because Carson told me.

786
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: I figured when I'd get moved out here that I'd

787
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: be playing in bars every night and writing songs every day.

788
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: And he told me, absolutely not, you don't need to

789
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:53,919
Speaker 1: do that. We'll write a couple of days a week,

790
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: and you keep working construction. And I think, you know,

791
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: looking back, as a ton of wisdom in that, just

792
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: to keep from getting kind of swallowed up in the

793
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 1: Nashville machine and becoming one in the crowd, I think

794
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: I was able to keep the town just a little

795
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: bit at arms length and keep working on, you know,

796
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: my own thing that made it stand out. So it was,

797
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: you know, I moved to spring Hill, Uh it was,

798
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: you know, So I was. I wasn't on Broadway every night.

799
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 2: I didn't.

800
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: I think i've been. I haven't even spent a night

801
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: on Broadway. I didn't have much interest in that I

802
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: found kind of some of the more divy places that

803
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: were playing some old school music that I liked, stuff

804
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: like the local and music city bar and grill and.

805
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 2: Stuff like that.

806
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: But so I was still, you know, I was working

807
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 1: construction four or five days a week and right in

808
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: two days a week, and it was.

809
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 2: It was work a little bit though, Like I'm in Nashville,

810
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 2: Dan Man, I want to.

811
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: Do more big time and like looking at other sort

812
00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: of peers of mine, uh, you know that were you know,

813
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: they already had publishing deals or what have you, it

814
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: felt like they're doing what I want to be doing.

815
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,399
Speaker 1: And uh and I think it was. It was even

816
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: once I got my first publishing deal, I kept working

817
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: construction and that was all you know, Carson kind of

818
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: urging me to do that and not ever play in

819
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: town pretty much. And you know, I had a decent

820
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: little road schedule.

821
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 2: Still, what kind of shows were you playing on the road.

822
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: It was I had a country band at that point

823
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 1: and we were, you know it just whatever we could

824
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: get into some smaller time festivals, you know, play little fairs.

825
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 1: Just you know, a lot of some bar owner saw

826
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: a Facebook video of mine, and so he wants me

827
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,280
Speaker 1: to come play, and it was a bunch of that stuff.

828
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 2: Did that Facebook video, that Darrell Singletary video, did it

829
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 2: live a long time before? People were still like, dude,

830
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 2: I just saw this video and you're like, that's four

831
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 2: years ago.

832
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: It felt like not that long, but it felt like

833
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: for like the whole year after that.

834
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that thing kept coming back. That's pretty cool. Yeah,

835
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 2: yeah it was. It was the.

836
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 1: First kinda I kind of I've always begrudgingly used the

837
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: all the social media stuff, and that was the first

838
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: time where it felt like, yeah, this is a way

839
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 1: you can reach a ton of people. And you know,

840
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: when I had nothing else going on, all of a sudden,

841
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of people that know my name and

842
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 1: you know, are following me now, and I think that, yeah,

843
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: it's funny. I didn't ever want to make a TikTok

844
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 1: I didn't want to post on Instagram.

845
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 2: Yeah you're not the guy. To me that seems like

846
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 2: he's just craving TikTok no, But it has now been

847
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 2: seen that is, if you don't do it cheesy, it's

848
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 2: not cheesy NOx And I mean now, because there was

849
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 2: such a I'm not gonna get on TikTok because I'm

850
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 2: not doing a dance, I'm not being a g But

851
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 2: now it is what you make of it. The band

852
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 2: that really switched that for me was like, I don't

853
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 2: know if you know Red Clay Straits. Yeah, man, I

854
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 2: had him on my show week. I just love love

855
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 2: us all Alabama boys and it's kind of this mixture

856
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 2: of like retro rock the country. Yeah, Jerry Lee Lewis, Yeah,

857
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 2: just awesome. So they came up to the show and

858
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:07,720
Speaker 2: I was like, when next time you guys are in Tennessee,

859
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 2: come play my show. So they did. They showed up,

860
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 2: we played, We did the whole thing on the air.

861
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 2: But I told them they were like the first band

862
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 2: to meet them in Lake Street Drive Yeah, lake Street Diving. Yeah.

863
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 2: They made it not cheesy yep, because they just did

864
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 2: what they did. Somebody just captured what they were doing

865
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 2: and it didn't feel like some you know, some strings

866
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 2: being pulled by someone trying to create the content that

867
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 2: they think will work. Yep. And those were the artists

868
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 2: that really made me tell my other artist friends, like,

869
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 2: shut up, just do what you do. Just have somebody recorded. Yeah, yeah,

870
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 2: use the platform for what you do, don't they kill't like, yeah,

871
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 2: don't run towards the platform exactly. Let the platform come

872
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 2: to you. And if it doesn't, that's okay. Yep.

873
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: No, yeah, it's just if you're making compelling content, people

874
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: will watch it. You don't have to be dancing or

875
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: you know, doing something funny or whatever.

876
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 2: That was.

877
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: That's all I've ever posted on TikTok pretty much just

878
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,919
Speaker 1: me sitting there with a guitar dance playing an old song.

879
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 2: No, there was.

880
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: One video that I considered not posting, U There's I

881
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: made it.

882
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 2: Well. I was working on this house up in north

883
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 2: of Nashville.

884
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: It's I've got my tool belt on, you know, I've

885
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: got my hammer loop in the back, and guys will

886
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: do a trick where they toss the hammer up and

887
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: and it goes in the loop. And so that was

888
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: the closest thing I kind of came to doing a dance.

889
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, it's not close to doing a dance.

890
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 2: So you're so good in my.

891
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,919
Speaker 1: Well, there was I mean I was shaking my ass

892
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: around trying to trying to catch the thing, you know

893
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: a little bit. So as it was, I think some

894
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: people enjoy can you dance? I can two step a little.

895
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: I have swing dance a little, this swing dance top.

896
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 1: My grandma taught me a two step. I'm from Arkansas,

897
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 1: so you know, my grandma taught me to two step.

898
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: And then I also grew up in the you know, nineties,

899
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 1: two thousands, when music was then universally available online now

900
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: after yep, so you could really have any kind of music, yeah,

901
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: at all. So I also went to a school that

902
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: wasn't just all white like a two step.

903
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 2: But then I would just grind. Yeah, I just get

904
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 2: on a button grind. Yeah, that's what we did at

905
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 2: the dance and then and so, but never really had like,

906
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 2: you know, I wasn't super good at I Want to

907
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 2: Dance with the Stars. I won that show, but he did. Yeah,

908
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 2: I didn't know you were on that the mirror balls

909
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 2: right behind there. But it's like I never was good. Yeah,

910
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 2: but I really I I enjoyed it fine. It was music.

911
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. Yeah. My point was I line danced a

912
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 2: little bit. Yeah, I tried to. I never could get

913
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 2: into that much.

914
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:30,919
Speaker 1: When I was out in Colorado, I had a bunch

915
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: of you know, kind of rednick buddies that I lived with,

916
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: and we'd go down to the Grizzly Rose and lay

917
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 1: there before.

918
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe it. Yeah, I love that place.

919
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: We spent a lot of a lot of time in there,

920
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: and I tried the line dancing thing a little bit

921
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,280
Speaker 1: and it didn't.

922
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 2: It wouldn't my thing if I didn't have a you know,

923
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 2: i'd like to have.

924
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: I don't think I will girl under three, a little girl. Yeah,

925
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: that's what I want to be dancing. If I'm dancing

926
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: by myself, I look dumb as hell. And so I

927
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: spent more time on the pool tables.

928
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 2: I guess I definitely look dumb. Yeah, but I was

929
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 2: okay with it. But it's I love it. You know.

930
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: It's like a wedding dance party. Like you said, you dance.

931
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'll get out there.

932
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 2: You're not cool to do it? No, No, you got it.

933
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 1: A couple of beers in me and I'll start taking

934
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: clothes off and doing things nobody's ever seen.

935
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 2: No, I'm good not knowing about that. Yeah, that's all right.

936
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:21,240
Speaker 2: In college pictures you can find No, I'm good in college.

937
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 2: I took line dancing, okay, because I know all the

938
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 2: girls were. It's a class. Yeah, just at one of

939
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 2: the clubs or something southern Arkansas. No, I get class.

940
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 2: It was a college class. It was a college class. Yeah,

941
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 2: like a Tuesday Tuesday evenings. I would go and take

942
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 2: line dancing and I learned the dances because I was

943
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 2: like this is but really I just wanted to get

944
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 2: What got me though, was I went. I was like,

945
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 2: I'm gonna meat all these girls because apparently it's like

946
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 2: ninety percent female, but it was like ninety percent female,

947
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 2: non traditional so they're all like fifty Oh there you go. Yeah,

948
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 2: so I really you'll have that. I really just that

949
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 2: was really just you just became a really good dancer. Yeah.

950
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:54,879
Speaker 2: I just got a lot better at life. I didn't

951
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 2: have no distraction.

952
00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 5: The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the

953
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 5: Bobby Cast.

954
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 2: The Washington State music scene. I'm not gonna even say

955
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 2: Seattle because Seattle to me, obviously is what it's associated with.

956
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,720
Speaker 2: To me is two things won the grunge in the nineties. Yeah,

957
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 2: of course from Nirvana you can go to and then

958
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 2: even a bit of a hip hop movement yep, with Maclamore,

959
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 2: absolutely that what the Washington state country scene. Is there

960
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 2: a country scene or is there the bluegrass scene? Even bigger?

961
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 2: I don't.

962
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard to say the bluegrass scene was

963
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: not big out there. We have there's a festival in

964
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: Washington somewhere every weekend you can go to all summer,

965
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: and a handful of good ones in the winter as well,

966
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: So it felt like it was big at the time.

967
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: I mean, it's nothing like the Southeast. And as far

968
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: as country, there was no like. I didn't play any

969
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 1: country music up there. I was playing country songs in

970
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 1: my Bluegras sets. But there's no like, there's not a

971
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: circuit of clubs you can play.

972
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 2: No straight ahead country clubs. No, no, not really.

973
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 1: There's one that Tractor Tavern in uh In, Seattle is

974
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:23,439
Speaker 1: a pretty strictly country spot. I have not played there yet,

975
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: hopefully soon. But that was, you know, and even just

976
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: music to country music to see that, you know, it

977
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: was basically when you got the County Fair Rodeo, they

978
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: bring in something. I remember the first big show I

979
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: went to see was John Michael Montgomery opened up for

980
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: uh Dwight Yoakum, I believe, and I took that little

981
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: gal I was dating that was she.

982
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 2: Had grown a little by then, she had grown, she

983
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 2: had gone pretty good. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, we were talking

984
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 2: about like a video going viral, but I saw that

985
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 2: bad luck had really blown up on Yeah, and that

986
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 2: wasn't that was just you. That was just you doing

987
00:43:59,440 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 2: your thing.

988
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was me doing a stupid thing. I was

989
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: laying on a dang seat in a pontoon.

990
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 2: So my jeenst, what did you learn from that? Man?

991
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 2: It's so funny. I don't know, because.

992
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: I don't know what it was about that video that

993
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: was compelling to people, because it was like, you know,

994
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 1: if I listened back to it, it wasn't the best

995
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: I've ever sang. It wasn't the best I've ever played guitar.

996
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 1: It was like I was sitting in a position where

997
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: it was difficult to play guitar. And I don't know

998
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: if it was just because it was kind of goofy that,

999
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: you know, I'm wearing jeans on a boat, I look

1000
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,879
Speaker 1: uncomfortable while I'm playing. I don't know if there's something

1001
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: goofy about that that kind of made it resonate with

1002
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: people or what. But like I can point to twenty

1003
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 1: different videos on my TikTok where it's like, no, now

1004
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: that was a compelling performance of the song got anywhere

1005
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: near the amount of views that one did. It feels

1006
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: like such a like it's the wild West out there.

1007
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: You don't know what's gonna hit her, you know, Even

1008
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: with that song. I've loved that song ever since we

1009
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: wrote it. But I figured just the type of song

1010
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: it was, the fact that.

1011
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 2: It's so different doesn't sound like anything was.

1012
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: It felt to me like this is probably gonna be

1013
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: like my sneaky favorite on the record, and most other

1014
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: people won't pay attention to it, and or was I

1015
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: wrong about that? So it's it feels so strange to

1016
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: I feel like I know a good song when I

1017
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: hear one, and know something like that can be a hit.

1018
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: But even that one, I didn't call that shot, that's

1019
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:29,479
Speaker 1: for sure.

1020
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 2: And I think because I've also seen the video, it

1021
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 2: seemed You're right, I don't even know why. I'm comfortable,

1022
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 2: but it just seemed so not shiny. Yeah, because it wasn't. No,

1023
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 2: I think that is likeable, And I think too, it's

1024
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 2: just like you just do your thing over and over again.

1025
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 2: Don't don't get don't be distraught when it doesn't work.

1026
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 2: You just keep doing it. Because because it's not going

1027
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,439
Speaker 2: viral doesn't mean that it's not going to connect. No. Yeah,

1028
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 2: like it's almost like you have to keep doing it

1029
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 2: over and over again until you catch the freaking algorithm.

1030
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, it's wild how that stuff works. Yeah, Like

1031
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: even like reposting. We you know, at the beginning of

1032
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: my well, I had it when we first hired my

1033
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 1: management team hired a company to start running my socials

1034
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 1: because it was you know, it gets to be too

1035
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: much for one person to run. They you know, they

1036
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: would even repost the same video a couple of weeks

1037
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: later and.

1038
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 2: Do totally different numbers, good or bad, right exactly.

1039
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,399
Speaker 1: And you know, just keeping on hammering that, keep throwing

1040
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: mud against the wall and at some point something will stick.

1041
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 2: The dumbest thing. I did a video the other day

1042
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 2: just ad my hair. I was growing it out because

1043
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 2: I thought it was hilarious. Yeah, for no other reason. Yeah,

1044
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 2: my wife wanted to kill me. But I put it

1045
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 2: in like five different little ponytails, which I've never done

1046
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 2: that before. Yep, I'm not ponytail guy. Really got I'm positive, yeah,

1047
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 2: got a million strings on that video. I didn't do anything. Yeah,

1048
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 2: I had my hair in five ponytails, and I was like, hey,

1049
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 2: hope you guys are having a good day. Yeah, that

1050
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,800
Speaker 2: was I mean, that was really nothing. It's it's wild

1051
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 2: and I think if I did it again and make

1052
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 2: it like a thousand, right, it's there's no telling there.

1053
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 2: There's a combination of the two things, me being so

1054
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,399
Speaker 2: good looking and so charming, and those together really made

1055
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 2: that video work.

1056
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: Those would be the leading factors, no doubt. What does

1057
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: your hair look like? It's fluffy. There's a lot of

1058
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: it right now.

1059
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 2: Look at you. Yeah, there's you have all that. You

1060
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 2: have all the hair. Oh you have like Aaron Tippin hair. Yeah,

1061
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 2: I wish I had these muscles. Yeah, well, I saw

1062
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 2: we can work on that. He like five years ago,

1063
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 2: a pre pandemic. He came to the studio and he

1064
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 2: was in his sixties now yep, still pretty jagged. Oh yeah,

1065
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 2: oh yeah, big time still Yeah for a sixty year

1066
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 2: old dude, that to me, like that was that part

1067
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 2: of country music. I used to roofhouses. We listened to

1068
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 2: a lot of Aaron Tipping because we felt like we

1069
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 2: felt like he was roofing houses with us.

1070
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he was kind of the blue collar, yeah,

1071
00:47:57,960 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: working man's country guy.

1072
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 2: For like he's working man's PhD. Right, yeah, exactly, that's him.

1073
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 2: I guess his songs just told me and I just

1074
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 2: believed him. Yeah exactly. But then I met him and

1075
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 2: I was like, no, he was telling the truth. Yeah exactly,

1076
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 2: he wasn't because he was yeah. Yeah. So what's the like,

1077
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 2: what's what's the goal for you in country music? Like?

1078
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:23,280
Speaker 2: What would make you the happiest if you had? What? Blank?

1079
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: I want to write and put out songs that stand

1080
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: the test of time that in fifty years people are

1081
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 1: still coming back to them and being like this is

1082
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:40,760
Speaker 1: the gold standard in country music.

1083
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 2: But what if they're not successful? Now, what if they're

1084
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 2: just good? But in fifty years they're still good? Would

1085
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 2: you give that up to be great for ten and

1086
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 2: then be forgotten after?

1087
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 5: No?

1088
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 2: I would.

1089
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: I just the all the icons that I like emulated

1090
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,399
Speaker 1: and and the guys that I look back to as

1091
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: like that was country music at its finest right there.

1092
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 1: You know, if it's Merl Haggard or George Jones or whatever.

1093
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 2: You know.

1094
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 1: Gary Stewart, I think, is a great example of somebody

1095
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: that didn't have a huge career for a lot of reasons.

1096
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: You know, he wouldn't know Garth Brooks or George Strait.

1097
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 1: But some of those records and some of those songs,

1098
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: that's like, that's the gold standard in country music right there.

1099
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 2: So then I'll go back to those time after time

1100
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 2: after time.

1101
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously I'd love to be selling out stadiums and

1102
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 1: you know, do all that too, But most importantly, I

1103
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 1: think it just put out songs that people will keep

1104
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: coming back to and be like that was that was

1105
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: as good as country music could get.

1106
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 2: April fifth, the full album comes out. Yes, sir, you

1107
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 2: went with a wild name that's totally off brand telling

1108
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 2: you cold beer in country music? Yes, sir, is that

1109
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 2: a track? Yeah? I thought it was. That was one

1110
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 2: of these facts. Yeah, that was the first thing. Why

1111
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 2: did you select that as your that because again, you

1112
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 2: can pick there's a lot of that. I mean we

1113
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 2: could roll through that. You could have been cowboys like

1114
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 2: me do it could have been there are a lot

1115
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 2: bad luck could have been there.

1116
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: Why why that sounds like the radio? I mean that's

1117
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: just me to a tea right there. You see that title,

1118
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,359
Speaker 1: you know what you're getting. You're getting the country music here,

1119
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: and you best get the cold beer out because you're

1120
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: gonna want so soon as you hear the first track.

1121
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 2: What about warm beer? That would be fun too, but

1122
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 2: it's less enjoyable in a pinch. I've never drank beer,

1123
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:26,240
Speaker 2: so I don't I've.

1124
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: Drank a warm one before when there would have no

1125
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: cold ones to be having a hot beer, I'd probably avoid,

1126
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: Like you like tea, like it's.

1127
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 2: Lose all the carbonation. That would be horrible. You haven't

1128
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 2: done it right, Maybe not a tea beer. I don't

1129
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 2: think i've that's I never had a beer, so I

1130
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 2: can have all the reason they keep it all cold,

1131
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 2: I'm sure. But I just think you could just tell

1132
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 2: people it's different, good and they think it was great.

1133
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:53,839
Speaker 2: We're doing hot beer.

1134
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could be a big branding thing for me,

1135
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: the country music guy.

1136
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:03,280
Speaker 2: So oh, this record's gonna come out. Yes, the songs

1137
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 2: that we haven't heard yet. Because by the way you're

1138
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 2: that this sounds like radio crush. That song it was

1139
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 2: like most added or whatever. Yeah, yeah, it was one

1140
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 2: used added for three weeks straight. I think, like that's all.

1141
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 2: How does that make you feel?

1142
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: It's I was blown away. It felt like a bit

1143
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: of a sigh of relief. It's kind of you know,

1144
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: I knew that that song obviously sticks out like a

1145
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,879
Speaker 1: sore thumb compared to anything else on the charts right now,

1146
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: and uh, I figured, if it sticks out that bad,

1147
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 1: it's either going to be a love it or hate

1148
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 1: it thing. And so I just very thankful, felt like

1149
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 1: we could Okay, we weren't making it up, we weren't

1150
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: crazy this, this might work.

1151
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 2: Once that came out and it got that response, the

1152
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 2: rest of the songs that we haven't heard yet, h sonically,

1153
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 2: what are they more the same? Baby?

1154
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: I said that ain't a Billboard interview recently, and I

1155
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 1: didn't even think of it when I said it, But

1156
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: when I read the ride up after, I was like, ah,

1157
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 1: it was pretty fun.

1158
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 2: It was a pretty good line.

1159
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 1: I said, Uh, for those of you that like it,

1160
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 1: that's great. You're gonna get a hold much more of

1161
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: the same. If you don't, you're not getting anything different.

1162
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: So it's it's more country music, as as good as

1163
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 1: I can manage to make it.

1164
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 2: Do you still listen to any any blue grass that's

1165
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 2: being made like current current bluegrass? Not much, that's the

1166
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 2: same sort of thing.

1167
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 1: I feel like if I go listen to some bluegrass,

1168
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: it's usually older school stuff. Larry Sparks or you know

1169
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 1: that old JD. Crown, the New South stuff. I love

1170
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 1: bluegrass album band stuff. That's where it was at for me.

1171
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 1: Lone from River Band. That was the stuff that made

1172
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: me fall in love with it, that I wanted to

1173
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 1: emulate and play Dirks.

1174
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 2: Obviously you're going to do something, yes, sir. That dude, Yeah,

1175
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 2: he'll bluegrass all day, yes sir, and legitimately ye, Like

1176
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 2: it's not an act. I mean he went record, yeah, exactly,

1177
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 2: and spend a bunch of time and money and energy

1178
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 2: and just because I've he loved to do it. I

1179
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 2: mean I was talking to Dolly and she was talking

1180
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:56,839
Speaker 2: about blue Ger said she had to get rich before

1181
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 2: she could do something that she wanted to do when

1182
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 2: she was poor, which was make a bluegrass record. I

1183
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 2: think Ricky's Gags had a line about that too, something about, yeah,

1184
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 2: I went and made some money in country music so

1185
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 2: I could afford to keep making grass music. Well man, congratulations,

1186
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 2: It's really cool because I mean so many just so

1187
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:15,879
Speaker 2: many of the folks around here that I like kind

1188
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 2: of vouched for what you were doing. Sure, because I

1189
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:20,359
Speaker 2: mean there are ten thousand things coming in all of us,

1190
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 2: every single day. Yeah, absolutely, you know with you people

1191
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 2: with me, and so I don't get around to everything

1192
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 2: i'd like to, and I make a note go. But

1193
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 2: there were two or three people that were like, Zach

1194
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 2: top's awesome, like he's like the neck and so I

1195
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 2: was like, well, let me see, and I'd listen. I

1196
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:36,879
Speaker 2: liked it, but then I was like, let me see

1197
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 2: if this dude's putting on or not, because like you know,

1198
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 2: oh absolutely, you look like you could be cosplaying a cowboy,

1199
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 2: but it's really you. Yeah. The mustache is not only real,

1200
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,280
Speaker 2: it's just af. I mean, if you didn't have a mustache,

1201
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 2: I would go like, you need a mustache. Yeah, yeah,

1202
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 2: it feel it feels like it completes the picture. But

1203
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 2: you're just like a kid. Yeah, and my mustache looks

1204
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 2: like a kid's mustache. Oh no, it's good. No, no,

1205
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 2: it's definitely solidciate. Well, man, I'm a big I'm a

1206
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 2: big fan now, and thank you so much. I'm rooting

1207
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 2: for you. I like anybody who it doesn't matter what

1208
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 2: style you're doing. It doesn't have to be a country

1209
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:13,800
Speaker 2: music can be whatever. I like anybody who doesn't really

1210
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 2: change because the temperature says so and it can be

1211
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 2: a bit difficult to be doing it one way when

1212
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 2: everybody says, hey, maybe you should just modify slightly, and

1213
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 2: I just don't feel like you've done that. And I

1214
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 2: feel like that's the strongest thing about you, and that's

1215
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 2: what's gonna really propel you, the same way you talk

1216
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 2: about your songs like you gonna love it, You're gonna

1217
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,399
Speaker 2: hte it. You know, with you, that's all. That's where,

1218
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 2: that's where you want everything right, because you can't get

1219
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 2: any traction if you're just pretty good. Nobody cares. Yeah, yeah,

1220
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 2: somewhere in the middle of it doesn't do you any

1221
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 2: at all. And so like, I just think you're gonna

1222
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 2: kill it because you're You're the real deal as far

1223
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 2: as what you present, and if you don't like it,

1224
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 2: you're still the real deal. But you don't worry about them.

1225
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 2: There are enough people that love what you do. Really cool, man,

1226
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 2: This has been super fun for me. You guys can

1227
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 2: follow Zach at Zach unders or top on Instagram and

1228
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 2: then Zach Top on TikTok. But you got more TikTok

1229
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 2: followers and Instagram followers, Yes I do. Yeah, TikTok's been

1230
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 2: good to me. It's so funny, isn't that weird? Never one,

1231
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 2: you are the one that TikTok has been good to.

1232
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 2: Yeah it is goofy. It's ironic, dentim on dnom that's right, jeans,

1233
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:22,720
Speaker 2: rolled up, mustache, wearing Aaron Tipp and hat having Yeah,

1234
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 2: well he didn't have had the hair hair hair hair

1235
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 2: yeah anywhere. That sounds like the radio which is now.

1236
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,800
Speaker 2: But this podcast will live on in perpetuity. So whatever

1237
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 2: you're putting out, everybody check it out. Zach, top, Mike,

1238
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 2: anything you want to say to Zach here.

1239
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:37,479
Speaker 3: It inspired me to grow a mustache. I've been trying

1240
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 3: for like twenty years.

1241
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 2: Come on, don't stop believing. I have a hope now,

1242
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:43,760
Speaker 2: don't stop believing, all right, Zach, good to see buddy,

1243
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:48,320
Speaker 2: Thank you, Bobby, thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.