Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heeart radio podcast.
Speaker 2: This Thursday Therapy, We've got Farah Mason coming on. She's
Speaker 2: a mother of six children, a spiritual blogger, writer, and
Speaker 2: host of Soulful seven Conversations podcast. She's the author of
Speaker 2: two works of fiction. She has a book out called Soulful,
Speaker 2: a weekly devotional to nourish the mind, body, and spirit. Basically,
Speaker 2: the breakdown with that is are we truly living the
Speaker 2: life we want to live? Sometimes but not nearly enough.
Speaker 2: Our souls crave authentic experiences, but seeking them is a
Speaker 2: challenge in our committed world, where often we are more
Speaker 2: focused on making it through than on making it sacred.
Speaker 2: We need regular soul wake up calls and holy daily
Speaker 2: rhythms to live a life that feels good from the
Speaker 2: inside out, shines with meeting, and radiates joy. So let's
Speaker 2: get the wonderful Pharah Mason on Thursday Therapy.
Speaker 1: Hey, parareh Hi.
Speaker 2: I got your devotional book sent to me at the
Speaker 2: most amazing time because I was about to travel on
Speaker 2: my book tour and I was having all this anxiety
Speaker 2: where I almost in cat knows this because I text
Speaker 2: her was like, I don't think I can travel. I
Speaker 2: really don't, like, I do not think I can get
Speaker 2: on this airplane because I was just having so much
Speaker 2: anxiety and I just had gotten sick from like the
Speaker 2: kid this kidney infection, and I was like, I don't
Speaker 2: think I can do it. I really don't. And I
Speaker 2: had one of those moments where I was like can someone.
Speaker 2: I was like, God, can you just like give me
Speaker 2: a sign? Just a quick sign would be really great
Speaker 2: for me right now, just to say go do it,
Speaker 2: like just go, you know, go to New York, do
Speaker 2: the book tour or some do something really bad that
Speaker 2: I can't actually go to New York, right, So I'm
Speaker 2: like I need a sign left or right? And I
Speaker 2: was you know, I went to therapy because I was like,
Speaker 2: all right, I'm gonna go talk to my therapist.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go talk to my doctor.
Speaker 3: I'm going to like, I'll let you know after I
Speaker 3: do X, Y and Z.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Seriously, I was like I literally need like give me
Speaker 2: a day to just like check it off. And then
Speaker 2: I come home from both of those places and I
Speaker 2: have a box waiting for me, and I opened it
Speaker 2: up and I was like, well shit, and then I
Speaker 2: read your sweet little card and that cross that you
Speaker 2: sent me, and I started to cry and I put
Speaker 2: it in my purse and I texted Catherine. I said
Speaker 2: I'm going because I was like, I'm not going to
Speaker 2: be alone if I take this with me. And it
Speaker 2: was just like this weird sense of just calm that
Speaker 2: came over me, and I was like, all right, I'm going.
Speaker 2: And I traveled with that cross and your book to
Speaker 2: the New York book tour, so thank you.
Speaker 1: Oh well that makes me happy. Yeah, I hope. You know.
Speaker 1: I was kind of stalking you because I was like, Margaret,
Speaker 1: just tell her. I'll bring her my muffins, I'll like
Speaker 1: my healing oils, I'll bring my ebs and salt lavender bath.
Speaker 1: I'll bring anything if she'll just let me go over
Speaker 1: and hold that baby.
Speaker 3: Oh well, yes you can.
Speaker 1: I'll hold that baby. I mean I just miss it.
Speaker 1: I miss it so much.
Speaker 3: Your youngest is six?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 3: Is that correct?
Speaker 1: Seven fin the Grand Finale? Yes, I know. I have
Speaker 1: bove sections and on the fifth five five?
Speaker 2: Are you only supposed to technically have three?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think so it's a fine. I was defiant,
Speaker 1: I think no. But I on the last one, my
Speaker 1: sweet ob who I adore. I would have kept having
Speaker 1: him so I could have just had him deliver them.
Speaker 1: But he peeked over the little you know screen that
Speaker 1: they put up, and he was like, and this is it,
Speaker 1: Like there's just nothing that, Like, the world can be crazy,
Speaker 1: but if you're sitting at home and you're holding that
Speaker 1: precious baby, it's like all is right in the world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's truly, and there's a there's so much that
Speaker 2: the feeling of just calling like forces you to slow down, right,
Speaker 2: Like you have to be peopful, you.
Speaker 1: Know, you have to just I mean, I'm not really
Speaker 1: good with sleep deprivation, so I don't miss that part
Speaker 1: of it. But I feel like as I got older, though,
Speaker 1: I handled it better. I don't know why. It's like
Speaker 1: when I was younger, it really really bothered me. And
Speaker 1: then I think as I got like the last three,
Speaker 1: I was a little more like this could be the
Speaker 1: last one, so I'm just gonna enjoy it.
Speaker 2: I think there's a deeper appreciation as you go on, though,
Speaker 2: and you get a little older with it. Like we
Speaker 2: just had our third five almost six months ago, and
Speaker 2: actually her tiny toes were reading alongside me this morning.
Speaker 3: And it was that calm and that.
Speaker 2: Peace, and I just kept thinking, like, I actually got
Speaker 2: a two hour nap this morning. Bless my husband, because
Speaker 2: I think it's finally catching up to me. Forty one
Speaker 2: sleep deprivation for six months is like exhausting. But you
Speaker 2: do appreciate it differently. I think as we go to
Speaker 2: like Cat's got three, Jana's got three, Oh my god,
Speaker 2: we all three.
Speaker 4: Yeah, welcome to the club, guys.
Speaker 3: Cats are pioneer of the group. So how old is
Speaker 3: your oldest?
Speaker 1: So charge is twenty one? Really really ages me?
Speaker 3: But I love that.
Speaker 1: But I had my last one when I was forty
Speaker 1: one too, So you just you do you feel like
Speaker 1: it's a sacred it's you're more relaxed.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, and despite your biggest efforts, they still
Speaker 2: get big too fast, because that's where I'm at.
Speaker 3: I just settled into that yesterday.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean everybody says it. You're like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's going to go buy so fast. And then when
Speaker 1: you actually I have two out of the house. So
Speaker 1: Charlie and Belle, you know, are both in college, and
Speaker 1: so they just came home for Thanksgiving and you just
Speaker 1: realize it, does it goes by so fast, and then
Speaker 1: you feel like, you know, when they came home, they
Speaker 1: let you know, got home from the airport. I was like,
Speaker 1: and you're not leaving the house. Everybody, we're in lockdown.
Speaker 1: Nobody's leaving. We're all together. Everyone's sitting around my table
Speaker 1: every single meal. We're going to be sitting around the fire.
Speaker 1: No one's leaving. And of course you know they're in
Speaker 1: college and they want to go see their friends. And yeah,
Speaker 1: in that book.
Speaker 2: You talk about building a nest, but you don't talk
Speaker 2: about keeping your eggs hostage. So do you want to
Speaker 2: talk about what it feels like to constructively build the nest?
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, so that that's kind of how the book starts.
Speaker 1: You know. I I started writing this book when I
Speaker 1: was sitting actually in the pew of the funeral for
Speaker 1: one of my dearest friends. She was forty years old,
Speaker 1: she had three young children, and she was married to
Speaker 1: her soulmate, and she she you know, fought a really
Speaker 1: courageous battle against colon cancer. And she kind of like
Speaker 1: sat with me and kind of you know, literally grabbed
Speaker 1: me by the collar and just said, fairual Mason, like
Speaker 1: you only get to do this once. Make it sacred.
Speaker 2: It's like the first part I can't handle at the moment,
Speaker 2: but it's so true, it's so short, you know.
Speaker 1: And so I found myself like, am I living the
Speaker 1: life I want to live?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: At that time I had all six of them Russia
Speaker 1: here and there, and you know, working and writing and
Speaker 1: all those things that are so meaningful and make such
Speaker 1: a meaningful existence. But I realized, like, am I rushing
Speaker 1: through and not making it as sacred as it can be?
Speaker 1: Like what would it look like to really think about?
Speaker 1: Because my friend Izzy would do anything to be here,
Speaker 1: and she was given six months to live, and so
Speaker 1: that six months, you know, I think everyone that came
Speaker 1: in front of her, she was like, this is you
Speaker 1: get this life? You get this one precious life. You know,
Speaker 1: how are you going to live it? Please? You know,
Speaker 1: make it intentional, make it meaningful, make it full of joy.
Speaker 1: And so I can remember sitting there. I had sat
Speaker 1: down after saying my little piece in the funeral, and
Speaker 1: then I sat there and I was like, goodness, gracious,
Speaker 1: you know, am I living the life I want to live?
Speaker 1: And the answer in the book is sometime sometimes, but
Speaker 1: not enough. And so then the writing started happening like
Speaker 1: what it look like to live a deep and rich
Speaker 1: and meaningful and sacred and wildly and perfect because I mean,
Speaker 1: just imagine what it's like to live in a household
Speaker 1: of six kids, you know, dealing with teenagers to the
Speaker 1: seven year old that's trying to learn how to read.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's definitely grand central station over here.
Speaker 1: And but how can my life feel a little holier
Speaker 1: and more sacred so that if I'm given this little
Speaker 1: set amount of time that I feel good about it.
Speaker 1: You know, I feel good about the life that I'm leading.
Speaker 1: And so in the book I talk about that, you know,
Speaker 1: what does it look like to have a meaningful existence?
Speaker 1: And you know, for me, it starts with you know,
Speaker 1: I always talk about the container of your heart, and
Speaker 1: you know, you have to balance the sorrows and the
Speaker 1: challenges and the struggles and the imperfection with genuine beauty
Speaker 1: and love and a real fullness of life. And so
Speaker 1: you're constantly in that little container of your heart navigating that.
Speaker 1: And and for me personally, this last you know, eight months,
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of sorrow and a lot of heartbreak,
Speaker 1: and I mean just living here in Nashville with a
Speaker 1: covenant tragedy and it being a close friend who lost
Speaker 1: her child, and you know, and then another dear friend
Speaker 1: just lost her husband. So it's his constant sense of
Speaker 1: really investing intentionally and filling your heart with the good
Speaker 1: things and feeling no guilt about that. You know, I
Speaker 1: really believe God wants us to have joy and and
Speaker 1: so we have to we have to fill that heart
Speaker 1: with with those things too, which is you know, holding
Speaker 1: a beautiful baby. I mean, I say, you know, you
Speaker 1: need an inch of beauty every single day that it'll
Speaker 1: it'll save you. And so for me, that's like getting
Speaker 1: out of nature. I feel like I need to like
Speaker 1: move and I need to be in nature and that
Speaker 1: that's where I experience you know, for me, God, peace, beauty,
Speaker 1: and you know, then I also talk about, you know,
Speaker 1: when you're building your nest, how important it is, and
Speaker 1: you really as you get older, you see kind of
Speaker 1: how important this is when you go through hard things.
Speaker 1: Is who are the people that that you're building your
Speaker 1: meaningful life with, Like we get to choose who those
Speaker 1: people are that are going to show up for us,
Speaker 1: and A're gonna and we're going to show up for them,
Speaker 1: but also these people that bring joy into our life.
Speaker 1: And and as I get older, I'm more just more
Speaker 1: aware of I get to choose who I wanted my life.
Speaker 1: And so there are people that just you know, maybe
Speaker 1: aren't going to be and that woven into the fabric
Speaker 1: because they you know, they they they just they bring
Speaker 1: me down, you know, and they don't and they don't
Speaker 1: bring uh meaning and goodness and they don't allow me
Speaker 1: to be the best version of myself, which I think
Speaker 1: is what the world needs. My kids need that. And
Speaker 1: so I'm real intentional about who my people are. You know,
Speaker 1: who are these people that I'm surrounding myself, my soul,
Speaker 1: my family, And so that's super important. And then you know,
Speaker 1: for me, I need quiet. I really need to pray,
Speaker 1: and you know, I've had enough hardship to know that
Speaker 1: I can't do this human life on my own. That
Speaker 1: I need that which is larger than myself to lean
Speaker 1: into and so prayer. So I kind of hit that
Speaker 1: when I'm at Radner Lake here in Nashville, you know,
Speaker 1: because I can hit the nature of the beauty and God,
Speaker 1: all three of them like a one stop shop. And
Speaker 1: then I'm like sitting here and wish y'all could see it,
Speaker 1: like if you know, I'm not a decorator, but if
Speaker 1: a decorator walked into my house and they saw this table.
Speaker 1: I have this like ginormous table. It's ridiculous. I mean
Speaker 1: it's like the big you know, you can't even move
Speaker 1: around in this room because the table is so big.
Speaker 1: But it's it's super important to me what happens around
Speaker 1: the table, you know, food and people and and so
Speaker 1: you know, we sit around the table a lot here,
Speaker 1: and that's with my kids. I want them to feel
Speaker 1: that anchor of how important it is to sit around together,
Speaker 1: eat a healthy meal, yummy meal, and also you know,
Speaker 1: keep adding chairs for friends and family and strangers. I'd
Speaker 1: love for y'all to come over so that part of
Speaker 1: its super important you know to me too. And then
Speaker 1: you know, there's just something it's almost kind of selfish,
Speaker 1: but there's something really beautiful that happens when you're taking
Speaker 1: care of other people. You know, when you're trying to
Speaker 1: give a word of hope to somebody else and encourage
Speaker 1: them and tell them you know you can do this. Christ.
Speaker 2: And remember our therapist she said something about how we
Speaker 2: were kind of we were thinking a season of both
Speaker 2: being like, oh, then this is going wrong, this is
Speaker 2: going and she's like, I think you need to go serve.
Speaker 2: You know that's true, And especially in the nationaletrol, I
Speaker 2: think we lose touch sometimes with what can like we're
Speaker 2: all in the music industry and so you despite our
Speaker 2: best efforts, I think sometimes we lose the gravity of
Speaker 2: what is real in our world and what there is
Speaker 2: to be upset about. And not that any of us are.
Speaker 2: I think we're all very emotionally intelligent individuals, but it
Speaker 2: is hard because we're we're all living in such a
Speaker 2: really beautiful, full life in so many ways that there's
Speaker 2: times where it's like our problems are not really problem
Speaker 2: even though they but they are still right. It's like
Speaker 2: there still are But then you go, okay, big picture here,
Speaker 2: we're so incredibly blessed and this is it could be
Speaker 2: worse and I know you're not a sloped to measure
Speaker 2: pain and all those things, but it's still well.
Speaker 3: And turning it into a positive.
Speaker 4: I think serving no matter what you're going through, can
Speaker 4: really just change that outlook and it helps you to
Speaker 4: take the negative that's going on in your life and
Speaker 4: figure out a way to turn it positive at least
Speaker 4: I feel like that.
Speaker 2: Or again, it's putting yourself outside, like that one guy
Speaker 2: at that Apple store who basically was blind, and he's like,
Speaker 2: if you put everyone together in a circle, He's like,
Speaker 2: I would actually still want my life than anyone else's there,
Speaker 2: because everyone has their stuff perspective.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. Well, and I mean it definitely feels
Speaker 1: like I mean, my little Rosebud who's in the seventh grade,
Speaker 1: you know, I could just sense she was feeling kind
Speaker 1: of anxious, and I mean there's just so much to
Speaker 1: be anxious about kind of in our world right now.
Speaker 1: And so I always say, because like I can't go
Speaker 1: into the Middle East right now, you know, and I
Speaker 1: get there's there's always say like love Rose, you should
Speaker 1: just love who and what is right in front of you.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, like that that's the best thing I can
Speaker 1: tell you. And so you know, it's you love well,
Speaker 1: really well who and what is right in front of you.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a domino effect, right It's gonna they're
Speaker 1: gonna roll and it's going to touch someone else and
Speaker 1: and it's going to like increase the goodness, which I think,
Speaker 1: you know, if we can increase goodness on our little
Speaker 1: square inch of of earth, that's a that's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 2: What's one movement that you'd go, Okay, this is what
Speaker 2: I would want people to go towards resilience.
Speaker 1: M So it's like I even think about your life,
Speaker 1: you know, you just I think we have a choice.
Speaker 1: You know, so bad things are going to happen to us.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get knocked at the knees, We're going to
Speaker 1: get our heart broken, We're gonna suffer loss, We're gonna
Speaker 1: we're gonna just really doubt, you know, either ourselves or
Speaker 1: doubt the world, doubt God. And and so we have
Speaker 1: this choice. We can either fold or I say, we
Speaker 1: can discover our wings. And you know, there's a there's
Speaker 1: a quote by the psychologist Elizabeth Kbler Ross and she says,
Speaker 1: beautiful people don't just happen. And and so I, you know,
Speaker 1: I say my book is an encyclopedia of hope, because
Speaker 1: I feel like, really that's what soulful living really is about.
Speaker 1: It's about getting back up. It's about rising when you've
Speaker 1: been knocked down. It's about opening your arms and your
Speaker 1: heart and saying I'm going forward, like I've like really
Speaker 1: just had my soul crushed, and I'm choosing to still
Speaker 1: open my arms and my heart to the world. You know,
Speaker 1: we're getting ready to go in the season of advent
Speaker 1: in you know, advents about this sense of hope and
Speaker 1: promise and like coming. And I feel like for me
Speaker 1: this year, hope is about like almost double downing and saying,
Speaker 1: you know what, like the world isn't perfect. I know
Speaker 1: I'm going to get my heart broken. I've had my
Speaker 1: heart broken, and I'm going to choose to still see
Speaker 1: what God has for me next. And one thing I
Speaker 1: can say in my own experience is God's imagination for
Speaker 1: my life is so much grander than anything I could
Speaker 1: have ever dreamed up for myself. And you know, I'm
Speaker 1: the oldest of six kids, so I'm like a little
Speaker 1: bit stubborn, like I'm like I can do this. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm a powerhouse. I can make things happen.
Speaker 1: And what I realize is that, you know, God has
Speaker 1: much grander visions for my life that things that I
Speaker 1: never would have thought of. And so if I can
Speaker 1: be brave to get back up after I've been knocked down,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just think that's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 1: And those are the people I'm drawn to. I'm drawn
Speaker 1: to people that, you know, it's like this radiance about them.
Speaker 1: You know, they've been broken and they're almost more beautiful
Speaker 1: for having been broken.
Speaker 4: You talk about soul wake ups in the book, but
Speaker 4: can you explain that a little bit.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I think it's kind of what you said
Speaker 1: that in our lives we can kind of get not complacent,
Speaker 1: but we just need these nudges, I think, to want
Speaker 1: more for our lives. You know, I think we need
Speaker 1: these wake up calls to say, oh my gosh, like
Speaker 1: open your eyes, feral, open your heart. I personally believe
Speaker 1: God is constantly sending us messages, giving us these little
Speaker 1: nudges through people, through experiences, even when I've like been
Speaker 1: shut down, the door has been slammed in my face,
Speaker 1: Like I feel like it's been a nudge. Well, Pharrell,
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to go this way. You know. It's
Speaker 1: this sense of you know, these experiences of beauty. Like
Speaker 1: I was jogging at Percy Warner Park yesterday and I
Speaker 1: mean literally there was an owl on the branch. I
Speaker 1: could have touched him, and I just feel like that's
Speaker 1: the sense of you know, God is with us, the
Speaker 1: world is a good place, people are good. It's a
Speaker 1: very sacred place, and sometimes we just need to be
Speaker 1: Our soul needs to be woken up to that.
Speaker 2: I think that's a really important message, especially right now,
Speaker 2: because it feels like what inundates us through social media
Speaker 2: and just the masses is this like negative and unsettled
Speaker 2: and all of the bad, bad, bad evil, And it's
Speaker 2: really important, I think, to remember that there is so
Speaker 2: much good right we forget and it's starting with I
Speaker 2: think sometimes stay at home moms especially have a lot
Speaker 2: of those really beautiful souls on Instagram, but they're like,
Speaker 2: what can I even do? And it's like, but we
Speaker 2: are doing. We're doing kingdom work and our own homes
Speaker 2: and our own raising and our own losing of our
Speaker 2: own tempers and then the redemption and saying I'm sorry
Speaker 2: to our kids and explaining the ups and downs. One
Speaker 2: of the things I really really really love about this
Speaker 2: devotional and it was actually gifted to me by Cassie Kelly,
Speaker 2: who is a roundabout fan of you that admires you.
Speaker 2: And it's interesting because Jana said she got your book
Speaker 2: gifted in a season when she needed it most, and
Speaker 2: Cassie and I are in a really sacred group together
Speaker 2: in Nashville. And then a few days later I got
Speaker 2: it and I thought, well, Cassie's just really a good
Speaker 2: gift giver. She's a pretty intentional person. But as I
Speaker 2: started reading it, it was the most scene I think
Speaker 2: I had felt in probably two years. Just so what
Speaker 2: you're doing in your kingdom work and intentionality is actually
Speaker 2: landing in the lapse of women exactly how it should,
Speaker 2: which is how I know you're on the right track
Speaker 2: and you have your pulse on the soul wake ups.
Speaker 2: But the thing that I really like about it is
Speaker 2: that it's a weekly devotional, which is pretty special because
Speaker 2: there's a lot of daily devotionals out there, but you've
Speaker 2: kind of made this digestible for the full life, right,
Speaker 2: so it's not like I have to sit every single day.
Speaker 2: I can revisit. But tell me why you picked to
Speaker 2: do a week devotional instead of every day.
Speaker 1: Well, it's funny because you know, when the book came out,
Speaker 1: you know, people would send me little messages and a
Speaker 1: lot of people like read it straight through, like I'm
Speaker 1: starting at the beginning, I'm just reading it straight through,
Speaker 1: and then other people have said, you know, I'm really
Speaker 1: just savoring it. I'm I'm reading one week, you know,
Speaker 1: one devotional because how the book is set up is
Speaker 1: I kind of wanted you to feel like I was
Speaker 1: nourishing you in the mind and that's how you get
Speaker 1: the little reflection in the body, because I give you activities.
Speaker 1: I mean, some of which are recipes, others are like prayers,
Speaker 1: and then also the spirit. You know, every single week
Speaker 1: you get a prayer and the prayers in first person,
Speaker 1: because I wanted you to feel like, you know, it
Speaker 1: was you having that conversation, and I mean, we are
Speaker 1: super busy, and if we can drop a little goodness
Speaker 1: into our life starting off in your week, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I just feel like then we meet the world from
Speaker 1: a better place. Yeah. I talk a lot about finding
Speaker 1: peace and everything I write in the book I need
Speaker 1: to hear myself, like over and over again. And the
Speaker 1: idea I say somewhere in the book about you know,
Speaker 1: I try to have these monastery experiences in my Grand
Speaker 1: Central Station life. And we are in a crazy world
Speaker 1: where people are people are kind of mean, and I
Speaker 1: think people have become cynical and a little angry, and
Speaker 1: the best thing that all of us can do is
Speaker 1: to kind of double down and sean brighter. And a
Speaker 1: lot of that comes from us having the peace on
Speaker 1: the inside so that when we do meet the world,
Speaker 1: we give them a peaceful posture.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's someone not in my circle, but someone that
Speaker 2: is so this person is so angry, and I'm like it, really,
Speaker 2: I'm almost thankful for this person because it makes me go,
Speaker 2: that is the last thing I want to be is
Speaker 2: this And it's not even I would I don't want
Speaker 2: to say her anger is not justified. But it's like
Speaker 2: you don't have to be that angry. Like, yes, that
Speaker 2: is a bad situation that you went through and it
Speaker 2: could be worse, but also like you you're walking around
Speaker 2: so angry at someone, and it's like that's not good
Speaker 2: for you. It's not good to be the angry and
Speaker 2: it's like why, Like you're you're wasting all this energy
Speaker 2: and this to be so angry and mean and and
Speaker 2: I've obviously distanced myself from this this person just so
Speaker 2: I'm like, it gives me anxiety to have it. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I don't I don't want any to be associated. It's
Speaker 2: just it's it's I'm like, why are like, why are
Speaker 2: you so angry?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: And it's just not good.
Speaker 4: I don't they want anger to affect the people that
Speaker 4: they're portraying the anger. Yeah, And I think, like she said,
Speaker 4: the best thing you can do is double down on love. Yeah,
Speaker 4: And I do think you have to have boundaries and
Speaker 4: distance yourself and all of that. But it's like, what
Speaker 4: is going to frustrate them the most? You being kind? Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean you setting up a boundary exactly. So I'm
Speaker 4: always just like, Okay.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry you're angry, but that miss when they're that angry. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I think our culture like it almost like champions
Speaker 1: that right now, you know. I feel like like you
Speaker 1: see it on the news and on social media and
Speaker 1: everywhere that it's it's almost like an in our country
Speaker 1: right now. It's like, I don't know, lifted up is
Speaker 1: a good thing to be angry and feisty and kind
Speaker 1: of mean, and and really that is we need a
Speaker 1: total reset. And and so you know, I always say,
Speaker 1: oh gosh, I need to soften my edges because you know,
Speaker 1: we all are going to have moments where we feel tangled,
Speaker 1: and we feel anxious, and we feel a little fearful
Speaker 1: and maybe even feel a little angry, and so then
Speaker 1: we have to be a little more attention intentional, Like
Speaker 1: I know, I have to like get outside or read
Speaker 1: or fix a cup of tea which totally calms me,
Speaker 1: love my ups and salt baths and you know, ways
Speaker 1: of just really cultivating that piece within yourself.
Speaker 2: What is one of your favorite devotionals in the book
Speaker 2: that you wrote Love It?
Speaker 1: Gosh, that's a great question.
Speaker 3: With you the most too.
Speaker 1: Oh that that gives you know, I think Eden Finding
Speaker 1: Eden is probably my favorite. It's the second one because it's,
Speaker 1: you know, I do this this idea of you know,
Speaker 1: you're either in or you're out of Eden, and in
Speaker 1: the ways that I'm in and the ways that I'm out,
Speaker 1: and and that's going back to that same idea of
Speaker 1: the piece. But you know, like relationships, you know, when
Speaker 1: I'm like really struggling to forgive someone, I'm dragging my
Speaker 1: feet to forgive them, which means that I'm like all
Speaker 1: tangled on the inside. I mean, when you're not forgiving someone,
Speaker 1: it's like a you know, a loop that's going from
Speaker 1: head to heart head to heart where you're just thinking
Speaker 1: about it and it's really hard to forgive people, and
Speaker 1: I struggle with that. But but I'm definitely not in Eden.
Speaker 1: If I'm dragging my feet to forgive someone, if I'm
Speaker 1: on social media instead of giving hugs, I'm out of
Speaker 1: Eden for sure. You know. It's like that face to
Speaker 1: face love. You know, nothing compares to that. I think
Speaker 1: after the Covenant tragedy, I really wrestle with fear and
Speaker 1: watching my children too go back to school and they
Speaker 1: wrestle with fear, And that's another way I'm out of
Speaker 1: Eden is when fear is has more dominion over me
Speaker 1: than my hope, does you know?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 1: I think the Eden one is it's one that I
Speaker 1: love because it's one I need to continually reread for
Speaker 1: myself personally. But I also on a more fun one.
Speaker 1: I love the one that's titled La bon Fronquette. We
Speaker 1: spend some time in France and we have friends that
Speaker 1: are chefs, and we had them over for dinner one night,
Speaker 1: and I was so nervous about it because I'm always like, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's have people for dinner. And then as soon as
Speaker 1: I said it, David was like, Babe, we have no food,
Speaker 1: like nothing in the house, and the stores are closed.
Speaker 1: What in the world are you going to do? And
Speaker 1: I remember my friend coming over and saying, you know,
Speaker 1: one is French and the other one's American, and the
Speaker 1: French one saying, well, what's the lat bone from kat?
Speaker 1: And I said, what in the world is that? And
Speaker 1: he said, well, it's just you know, you open up
Speaker 1: your cupboards, you open up your refrigerator and then you
Speaker 1: just start like pulling everything out and you make u
Speaker 1: smorgas board. You open up the bottle of wine, and
Speaker 1: it's just about being together. It's not about the pretty set. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this like you know, linen napkins and the candelabra and
Speaker 1: all that stuff. It has nothing to do with that.
Speaker 1: And so I really I really try to live with that.
Speaker 1: So it's like you could come to my house and
Speaker 1: have a glass of wine and a spider.
Speaker 2: Man and Fritz Cracker and yeah.
Speaker 1: And in that scenario, like we had like leftover cross
Speaker 1: sants and I put a new tell on them great
Speaker 1: ridiculous and nobody cared. It was like the most fun
Speaker 1: evening and we really we had ridiculous food.
Speaker 3: We did not hear a lot.
Speaker 2: I feel like because we do not here a lot, well,
Speaker 2: we do like it'll be like a queendom night and
Speaker 2: we have like a bottle of wine and then we're like,
Speaker 2: you know, next thing, you know, like we're just eating
Speaker 2: crackers and having like a really bunny good but we're
Speaker 2: having like a really good full life, you know, and
Speaker 2: memorable moments and cozy and it's so great. I love
Speaker 2: that you say in bold in the first introduction of
Speaker 2: your book, and perfect lives can be holy, And I've
Speaker 2: just anchored to that over the last couple of weeks
Speaker 2: more so than ever. So I love the idea. It
Speaker 2: takes away a little pressure of hosting as we come
Speaker 2: into the holiday. See absolutely, yeah, open up the coverards
Speaker 2: and take a deep breath. Pharaoh, Where can our listeners
Speaker 2: find you and everything that you're doing?
Speaker 1: Okay? So well, I do a weekly blog called Bread
Speaker 1: and Honey and that's just like a little goodness to
Speaker 1: start off your week. And and then Soulful. You can
Speaker 1: find it.
Speaker 2: At all the bookstores and yeah, I thinkyl can we
Speaker 2: can we go hiking the steps at uh at with
Speaker 2: center not not right, Percy person.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'd love it so much. Bring that baby and
Speaker 1: I'll just like to me perfect good for hiking the
Speaker 1: hills holding him next to me.
Speaker 2: Okay, I love that. All right, well, I'll get your
Speaker 2: info from Margaret. But thank you so much for coming on.
Speaker 2: Really appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Everyone.
Speaker 1: Congratulations, like, thank you for the joy going on at
Speaker 1: your house. So thank you so much. Appreciate it, all right,
Speaker 1: thank bye girl bye