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Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heeart radio podcast.

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Speaker 2: This Thursday Therapy, We've got Farah Mason coming on. She's

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Speaker 2: a mother of six children, a spiritual blogger, writer, and

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Speaker 2: host of Soulful seven Conversations podcast. She's the author of

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Speaker 2: two works of fiction. She has a book out called Soulful,

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Speaker 2: a weekly devotional to nourish the mind, body, and spirit. Basically,

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Speaker 2: the breakdown with that is are we truly living the

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Speaker 2: life we want to live? Sometimes but not nearly enough.

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Speaker 2: Our souls crave authentic experiences, but seeking them is a

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Speaker 2: challenge in our committed world, where often we are more

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Speaker 2: focused on making it through than on making it sacred.

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Speaker 2: We need regular soul wake up calls and holy daily

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Speaker 2: rhythms to live a life that feels good from the

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Speaker 2: inside out, shines with meeting, and radiates joy. So let's

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Speaker 2: get the wonderful Pharah Mason on Thursday Therapy.

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Speaker 1: Hey, parareh Hi.

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Speaker 2: I got your devotional book sent to me at the

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Speaker 2: most amazing time because I was about to travel on

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Speaker 2: my book tour and I was having all this anxiety

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Speaker 2: where I almost in cat knows this because I text

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Speaker 2: her was like, I don't think I can travel. I

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Speaker 2: really don't, like, I do not think I can get

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Speaker 2: on this airplane because I was just having so much

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Speaker 2: anxiety and I just had gotten sick from like the

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Speaker 2: kid this kidney infection, and I was like, I don't

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Speaker 2: think I can do it. I really don't. And I

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Speaker 2: had one of those moments where I was like can someone.

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Speaker 2: I was like, God, can you just like give me

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Speaker 2: a sign? Just a quick sign would be really great

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Speaker 2: for me right now, just to say go do it,

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Speaker 2: like just go, you know, go to New York, do

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Speaker 2: the book tour or some do something really bad that

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Speaker 2: I can't actually go to New York, right, So I'm

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Speaker 2: like I need a sign left or right? And I

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Speaker 2: was you know, I went to therapy because I was like,

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Speaker 2: all right, I'm gonna go talk to my therapist.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go talk to my doctor.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to like, I'll let you know after I

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Speaker 3: do X, Y and Z.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Seriously, I was like I literally need like give me

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Speaker 2: a day to just like check it off. And then

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Speaker 2: I come home from both of those places and I

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Speaker 2: have a box waiting for me, and I opened it

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Speaker 2: up and I was like, well shit, and then I

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Speaker 2: read your sweet little card and that cross that you

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Speaker 2: sent me, and I started to cry and I put

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Speaker 2: it in my purse and I texted Catherine. I said

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Speaker 2: I'm going because I was like, I'm not going to

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Speaker 2: be alone if I take this with me. And it

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Speaker 2: was just like this weird sense of just calm that

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Speaker 2: came over me, and I was like, all right, I'm going.

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Speaker 2: And I traveled with that cross and your book to

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Speaker 2: the New York book tour, so thank you.

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Speaker 1: Oh well that makes me happy. Yeah, I hope. You know.

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Speaker 1: I was kind of stalking you because I was like, Margaret,

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Speaker 1: just tell her. I'll bring her my muffins, I'll like

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Speaker 1: my healing oils, I'll bring my ebs and salt lavender bath.

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Speaker 1: I'll bring anything if she'll just let me go over

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Speaker 1: and hold that baby.

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Speaker 3: Oh well, yes you can.

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Speaker 1: I'll hold that baby. I mean I just miss it.

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Speaker 1: I miss it so much.

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Speaker 3: Your youngest is six?

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Speaker 1: Seven fin the Grand Finale? Yes, I know. I have

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Speaker 1: bove sections and on the fifth five five?

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Speaker 2: Are you only supposed to technically have three?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I think so it's a fine. I was defiant,

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Speaker 1: But he peeked over the little you know screen that

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Speaker 1: Like there's just nothing that, Like, the world can be crazy,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's truly, and there's a there's so much that

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Speaker 2: the feeling of just calling like forces you to slow down, right,

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Speaker 2: Like you have to be peopful, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, you have to just I mean, I'm not really

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Speaker 2: I think there's a deeper appreciation as you go on, though,

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Speaker 2: actually her tiny toes were reading alongside me this morning.

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Speaker 3: And it was that calm and that.

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Speaker 2: Peace, and I just kept thinking, like, I actually got

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Speaker 2: a two hour nap this morning. Bless my husband, because

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Speaker 2: I think it's finally catching up to me. Forty one

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Speaker 2: sleep deprivation for six months is like exhausting. But you

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Speaker 2: do appreciate it differently. I think as we go to

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Speaker 3: Cats are pioneer of the group. So how old is

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Speaker 1: So charge is twenty one? Really really ages me?

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Speaker 1: But I had my last one when I was forty

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Speaker 1: it's a sacred it's you're more relaxed.

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Speaker 3: I just settled into that yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean everybody says it. You're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: Nobody's leaving. We're all together. Everyone's sitting around my table

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Speaker 2: You talk about building a nest, but you don't talk

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, so that that's kind of how the book starts.

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Speaker 1: And so I found myself like, am I living the

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Speaker 1: Is who are the people that that you're building your

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Speaker 1: And and as I get older, I'm more just more

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Speaker 1: And so there are people that just you know, maybe

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Speaker 2: is a bad situation that you went through and it

433
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Speaker 2: could be worse, but also like you you're walking around

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Speaker 2: so angry at someone, and it's like that's not good

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Speaker 2: for you. It's not good to be the angry and

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Speaker 2: it's like why, Like you're you're wasting all this energy

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Speaker 2: and this to be so angry and mean and and

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Speaker 2: I've obviously distanced myself from this this person just so

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Speaker 2: I'm like, it gives me anxiety to have it. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I don't I don't want any to be associated. It's

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Speaker 2: just it's it's I'm like, why are like, why are

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Speaker 2: you so angry?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 3: And it's just not good.

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Speaker 4: I don't they want anger to affect the people that

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Speaker 4: they're portraying the anger. Yeah, And I think, like she said,

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Speaker 4: the best thing you can do is double down on love. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: And I do think you have to have boundaries and

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Speaker 4: distance yourself and all of that. But it's like, what

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Speaker 4: is going to frustrate them the most? You being kind? Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean you setting up a boundary exactly. So I'm

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Speaker 4: always just like, Okay.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry you're angry, but that miss when they're that angry. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think our culture like it almost like champions

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Speaker 1: that right now, you know. I feel like like you

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Speaker 1: see it on the news and on social media and

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Speaker 1: everywhere that it's it's almost like an in our country

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Speaker 1: right now. It's like, I don't know, lifted up is

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Speaker 1: a good thing to be angry and feisty and kind

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Speaker 1: of mean, and and really that is we need a

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Speaker 1: total reset. And and so you know, I always say,

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Speaker 1: oh gosh, I need to soften my edges because you know,

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Speaker 1: we all are going to have moments where we feel tangled,

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Speaker 1: and we feel anxious, and we feel a little fearful

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Speaker 1: and maybe even feel a little angry, and so then

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Speaker 1: we have to be a little more attention intentional, Like

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Speaker 1: I know, I have to like get outside or read

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Speaker 1: or fix a cup of tea which totally calms me,

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Speaker 1: love my ups and salt baths and you know, ways

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Speaker 1: of just really cultivating that piece within yourself.

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Speaker 2: What is one of your favorite devotionals in the book

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Speaker 2: that you wrote Love It?

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Speaker 1: Gosh, that's a great question.

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Speaker 3: With you the most too.

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Speaker 1: Oh that that gives you know, I think Eden Finding

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Speaker 1: Eden is probably my favorite. It's the second one because it's,

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Speaker 1: you know, I do this this idea of you know,

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Speaker 1: you're either in or you're out of Eden, and in

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Speaker 1: the ways that I'm in and the ways that I'm out,

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Speaker 1: and and that's going back to that same idea of

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Speaker 1: the piece. But you know, like relationships, you know, when

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Speaker 1: I'm like really struggling to forgive someone, I'm dragging my

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Speaker 1: feet to forgive them, which means that I'm like all

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Speaker 1: tangled on the inside. I mean, when you're not forgiving someone,

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Speaker 1: it's like a you know, a loop that's going from

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Speaker 1: head to heart head to heart where you're just thinking

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Speaker 1: about it and it's really hard to forgive people, and

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Speaker 1: I struggle with that. But but I'm definitely not in Eden.

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Speaker 1: If I'm dragging my feet to forgive someone, if I'm

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Speaker 1: on social media instead of giving hugs, I'm out of

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Speaker 1: Eden for sure. You know. It's like that face to

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Speaker 1: face love. You know, nothing compares to that. I think

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Speaker 1: after the Covenant tragedy, I really wrestle with fear and

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Speaker 1: watching my children too go back to school and they

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Speaker 1: wrestle with fear, And that's another way I'm out of

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Speaker 1: Eden is when fear is has more dominion over me

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Speaker 1: than my hope, does you know?

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Speaker 2: So?

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Speaker 1: I think the Eden one is it's one that I

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Speaker 1: love because it's one I need to continually reread for

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Speaker 1: myself personally. But I also on a more fun one.

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Speaker 1: I love the one that's titled La bon Fronquette. We

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Speaker 1: spend some time in France and we have friends that

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Speaker 1: are chefs, and we had them over for dinner one night,

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Speaker 1: and I was so nervous about it because I'm always like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's have people for dinner. And then as soon as

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Speaker 1: I said it, David was like, Babe, we have no food,

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Speaker 1: like nothing in the house, and the stores are closed.

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Speaker 1: What in the world are you going to do? And

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Speaker 1: I remember my friend coming over and saying, you know,

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Speaker 1: one is French and the other one's American, and the

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Speaker 1: French one saying, well, what's the lat bone from kat?

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Speaker 1: And I said, what in the world is that? And

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Speaker 1: he said, well, it's just you know, you open up

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Speaker 1: your cupboards, you open up your refrigerator and then you

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Speaker 1: just start like pulling everything out and you make u

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Speaker 1: smorgas board. You open up the bottle of wine, and

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Speaker 1: it's just about being together. It's not about the pretty set. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this like you know, linen napkins and the candelabra and

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Speaker 1: all that stuff. It has nothing to do with that.

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Speaker 1: And so I really I really try to live with that.

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Speaker 1: So it's like you could come to my house and

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Speaker 1: have a glass of wine and a spider.

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Speaker 2: Man and Fritz Cracker and yeah.

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Speaker 1: And in that scenario, like we had like leftover cross

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Speaker 1: sants and I put a new tell on them great

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Speaker 1: ridiculous and nobody cared. It was like the most fun

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Speaker 1: evening and we really we had ridiculous food.

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Speaker 3: We did not hear a lot.

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Speaker 2: I feel like because we do not here a lot, well,

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Speaker 2: we do like it'll be like a queendom night and

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Speaker 2: we have like a bottle of wine and then we're like,

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Speaker 2: you know, next thing, you know, like we're just eating

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Speaker 2: crackers and having like a really bunny good but we're

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Speaker 2: having like a really good full life, you know, and

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Speaker 2: memorable moments and cozy and it's so great. I love

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Speaker 2: that you say in bold in the first introduction of

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Speaker 2: your book, and perfect lives can be holy, And I've

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Speaker 2: just anchored to that over the last couple of weeks

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Speaker 2: more so than ever. So I love the idea. It

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Speaker 2: takes away a little pressure of hosting as we come

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Speaker 2: into the holiday. See absolutely, yeah, open up the coverards

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Speaker 2: and take a deep breath. Pharaoh, Where can our listeners

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Speaker 2: find you and everything that you're doing?

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Speaker 1: Okay? So well, I do a weekly blog called Bread

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Speaker 1: and Honey and that's just like a little goodness to

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Speaker 1: start off your week. And and then Soulful. You can

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Speaker 1: find it.

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Speaker 2: At all the bookstores and yeah, I thinkyl can we

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Speaker 2: can we go hiking the steps at uh at with

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Speaker 2: center not not right, Percy person.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I'd love it so much. Bring that baby and

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Speaker 1: I'll just like to me perfect good for hiking the

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Speaker 1: hills holding him next to me.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I love that. All right, well, I'll get your

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Speaker 2: info from Margaret. But thank you so much for coming on.

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Speaker 2: Really appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Everyone.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations, like, thank you for the joy going on at

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Speaker 1: your house. So thank you so much. Appreciate it, all right,

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Speaker 1: thank bye girl bye