Speaker 1: What's good family. I'm to make a d. Mallory and
Speaker 1: where your hosts of street politicians, the place where the
Speaker 1: streets and politics meet. The end of six episodes coming
Speaker 1: yes man. And each episode was intriguing, was important, was captivating.
Speaker 1: We had some of you know, a little bit of everybody.
Speaker 1: I think we should watch a clip of the first
Speaker 1: five episodes, um and and you know, hopefully, uh, folks
Speaker 1: will get an opportunity to really kind of get a feel.
Speaker 1: If you haven't watched the actual long form episodes or
Speaker 1: listen to them, you have the opportunity to really kind
Speaker 1: of get a glimpse of what was covered. But I
Speaker 1: do definitely, definitely, definitely advised that people would sit and
Speaker 1: listen to each one and to listen intently. I wrote notes, um,
Speaker 1: I contacted other individuals and connected people. We pulled folks together,
Speaker 1: made sure that the people we met in the first
Speaker 1: episode got to meet individuals from the third or fourth
Speaker 1: because that's what it's all about. It's about organizing, it's
Speaker 1: about convening hearts and minds. And um, I certainly am
Speaker 1: proud of the work that we're doing in terms of
Speaker 1: slowing down a little bit from you know, just trying
Speaker 1: to be on the beat. We want to make sure
Speaker 1: everybody you have a podcast, you have a show, you
Speaker 1: have uh, you know, any type of public facing work.
Speaker 1: You want people to see it, to admire it, you
Speaker 1: want people to to get engaged. Um and I think
Speaker 1: that this special is certainly engaging. But I can also
Speaker 1: understand that it may not reach every single person the
Speaker 1: way that a different show that we're working on does.
Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean it's less important. More important. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the spikes that we're seeing around the country have to
Speaker 1: do with our directly associated with the after effects of
Speaker 1: the COVID crisis. Unfortunate that you were ride in your
Speaker 1: hood and know who you're gonna be raising money for
Speaker 1: to bury One day, I almost lost my mom when
Speaker 1: I was tad. She was shot twice in broad daylight.
Speaker 1: Saw I came in, came in kind on my first
Speaker 1: misses of dumb violence. I saw my mania didn't get
Speaker 1: murdered right in front of We have to understand that mentality,
Speaker 1: that lifestyle, right, and when you have a lifestyle that
Speaker 1: you don't see as criminals, nothing you do is looked at.
Speaker 1: It's wrong. More police doesn't mean the violence is gonna
Speaker 1: it's gonna decrease. All they're seeing is people died at
Speaker 1: the hands of gunfire. We have to understand that the
Speaker 1: language tells them that the best way to protect themselves
Speaker 1: is to carry that gun as well. Now I have
Speaker 1: a bullet in my leg and a rod from my
Speaker 1: knee to my hip, and I know I can't run, No,
Speaker 1: I can't go to the gym. And they see self
Speaker 1: conscious moments that I felt like I knew with the
Speaker 1: other women out there that I need to speak to.
Speaker 1: There is no code for gun bounce survivance. Who just
Speaker 1: happened to be shot like me, who just happened to
Speaker 1: be in a situation on vacation, who just happened to
Speaker 1: be leaving school, who just happened to be at the
Speaker 1: wrong place at the wrong time. Our deep winds required deep, deep,
Speaker 1: deep killing. And until we get the voice of Whu
Speaker 1: Shan Duke is advocating for and g MAC and who
Speaker 1: trigger is advocating for, really at the table, we're gonna
Speaker 1: continue to see this manifestation of despair and you and
Speaker 1: the gun is a solution. We have to intervene immediately.
Speaker 1: We know it's getting ready to go now and to
Speaker 1: watch it happen, almost makes us co conspirators in it.
Speaker 1: But this is the reality of everyday violence. There are
Speaker 1: people experiencing this, this crime every day. I fell in
Speaker 1: love with this process of being able to save lives
Speaker 1: because it was a conflict between two groups and I
Speaker 1: knew both for the guys, and I was able to
Speaker 1: stop people from killing each other. And I'm gonna be honest,
Speaker 1: I never felt anything remotely closed to the joy and
Speaker 1: satisfaction that I got from saving the life. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: that's just, you know, just a little bit of what
Speaker 1: we cover a little glimps. Next episode, we'll be talking
Speaker 1: about the cannabis industry, which is also important, and these
Speaker 1: things are connected because, um, you know, when we talk
Speaker 1: when we're talking about poverty, we're talking about violence, we're
Speaker 1: talking about um inequities in our community. When we look
Speaker 1: at the cannabis industry, that is one way that we
Speaker 1: can uh find an opportunity for equity, for uh for
Speaker 1: for building generational wealth and so um, you know, I
Speaker 1: think we were trying to do a good job of
Speaker 1: curating and experience within Strey politicians that gives people the
Speaker 1: opportunity to learn, grow and go do something well what
Speaker 1: it is that you're finding out. So in this sixth
Speaker 1: episode today, we're talking to someone from law enforcement, UM,
Speaker 1: someone who was a former chief highest levels, went through
Speaker 1: the ranks, traveled through all the ranks of the NYPD
Speaker 1: in the city that we live in, UM. And I
Speaker 1: think that's an important conversation. But also we're talking to
Speaker 1: another young man who I found out from you. I've
Speaker 1: known this brother for a long time. I had no
Speaker 1: idea that he had actually been in prison, UM, and
Speaker 1: that he had been on both sides of the gun,
Speaker 1: a shooter and a victim. UM. And we're learning some
Speaker 1: some things about his situation today. So I'm excited for
Speaker 1: the show. Yes, when you gotta tune into this, when
Speaker 1: this is gonna be epic. You know, I think brother
Speaker 1: Um Sampson styles, we're talking about somebody that IM watching,
Speaker 1: knowing his history and just seeing how he kept his
Speaker 1: authenticity in this industry and he took his whole aura
Speaker 1: and street persona and made it cool and on a
Speaker 1: big screen. So you know, that was always something that
Speaker 1: I looked up to me before I even got into
Speaker 1: the field. I mean, while I was in prison, and
Speaker 1: you know, not really I was signed, but I was
Speaker 1: never really able to get out. There's always somebody that
Speaker 1: looked up to, like, Yo, this dude is doing it.
Speaker 1: So I'm definitely interested in that interview. And you know,
Speaker 1: people run to be in front of the camera. Um,
Speaker 1: and while Samson certainly has been in front of the camera,
Speaker 1: it's the behind the scenes stuff that, uh, that can
Speaker 1: make you money, things that you might actually have better skills.
Speaker 1: As some folks go out, they do an audition to
Speaker 1: get in front of the camera, to be an an
Speaker 1: actual character or you know, to play a role, and
Speaker 1: when they have turned down, they feel like, man, you know,
Speaker 1: I wanted to be in the industry, and now because
Speaker 1: I can't be an actual artist or entertainer, then you know,
Speaker 1: my career is over. But they don't think that way.
Speaker 1: I might actually be better at financing movies, Um, I
Speaker 1: might actually be better at seeking out talent, training people
Speaker 1: directing films. I love watching Tianna Taylor's process that she's
Speaker 1: going through now where she's learning from other o g uh,
Speaker 1: you know, production folks, how to be a producer and
Speaker 1: how to um to transform the skills that she already
Speaker 1: has into directing and what have you. And I love
Speaker 1: that about her because very similar to the point her
Speaker 1: music career, which I love her freaking music. I mean
Speaker 1: I loved her last man, her last album was amazing,
Speaker 1: but she was really frustrated about the lack of support
Speaker 1: that she received for her album and the way that
Speaker 1: she feels like her career is not you know, it's
Speaker 1: not going in the direction that she wants it to travel, right,
Speaker 1: And instead of her just being like I'm hanging it
Speaker 1: all up and I'm going home, she's back from a
Speaker 1: different direction. That's what it's supposed to be about. That's
Speaker 1: what it's always about. Sometimes we have to reinvent ourselves,
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes we have to realize that even though
Speaker 1: you love to do it this way, but this is
Speaker 1: God's calling for you to do it that way. So,
Speaker 1: you know, those are the people that survived in this
Speaker 1: industry in the world period, you know, constantly evolving, constantly saying, hey,
Speaker 1: this what's going on? I don't even know how to
Speaker 1: do this. I tell my kids all the time, and
Speaker 1: tell my son, you want to do music, then get
Speaker 1: you a friend that shoots videos, Get you a friend
Speaker 1: that makes beats. Y'all can make yourself a conglimerate, make
Speaker 1: yourself a team and know how to do every aspect
Speaker 1: so that you make sure that you are always an asset.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, you gotta corner the market. Yes, So that
Speaker 1: brings me to my thought of the day. If you
Speaker 1: watch the news all that you might go crazy because
Speaker 1: the news is a little like crazy, it's a lot
Speaker 1: going on. It could give you real anxiety. And what
Speaker 1: I realized from Donald trumpian president, is that whatever is
Speaker 1: happening with our like elected officials in the highest offices
Speaker 1: in your local community and door federally, it impacts people's
Speaker 1: mental stability and or not right. So a lot of
Speaker 1: issues that we have and questions that we have about
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen, about the economy, about so many things comes
Speaker 1: from the fact that we were dealing with a kid,
Speaker 1: really like a grown irresponsible child. So now the Republican
Speaker 1: Party wants to come back and say, well, you need
Speaker 1: to get vaccinated, because I'm sure they've done some research
Speaker 1: they figured out that. You know, now you start to
Speaker 1: see Fox News Channel and others talking about, you know,
Speaker 1: get vaccinated. All of them have been vaccine. That's the
Speaker 1: other thing. They're all saying, they've been vaccinated, right um,
Speaker 1: and now they're telling people still they don't agree with
Speaker 1: the mask, but they think you should get vaccinated because
Speaker 1: it definitely reduces the ability to have mutations and spread,
Speaker 1: you know. So they've got there, they've got their reasoning
Speaker 1: for why they feel people should get vaccinated. But I
Speaker 1: think all of it started because of the all of
Speaker 1: the doubt, certainly aside from the fact that black people
Speaker 1: have doubt anyway, that's a fact, but also just some
Speaker 1: collective doubt has come from how President Trump at the
Speaker 1: time addressed the entire virus. How he was out there,
Speaker 1: you know, spending his time talking about the China virus
Speaker 1: and just doing insane things. That was not giving people
Speaker 1: clear direction on what to do. It wasn't being taken
Speaker 1: seriously enough. There are folks who, um, I think got
Speaker 1: caught up in the middle of the foolishness rather than
Speaker 1: all of us being properly educated by the folks that
Speaker 1: the in the highest office in the land. So I'm
Speaker 1: giving that as a pretext to my thought of the day, um,
Speaker 1: because now we've got another crisis here in the city
Speaker 1: and what in the state of New York, and that
Speaker 1: is Governor Cuomo uh and the women who have accused
Speaker 1: him of sexual assault and sexual harassment. Now I bring
Speaker 1: up this idea of strong leadership because, um, I think
Speaker 1: that whenever you have a situation where people like how
Speaker 1: we are here in New York. The virus has really
Speaker 1: messed up this this state. Like we You can say
Speaker 1: what you want, Oh, it's real, not real all of
Speaker 1: the thing. Everybody's got a theory, but the impact of
Speaker 1: it is real. Things are closed, you can't get things
Speaker 1: you need, kids in and out of school, stuff closing
Speaker 1: up and down. People not having jobs, people need workers.
Speaker 1: It's a lot going on within this state. And I'm
Speaker 1: sure it's everywhere, but this is where I live, so
Speaker 1: we're speaking directly here. So now you've gotta scandal with
Speaker 1: the governor in a sexual assault thing. Mind you, when
Speaker 1: we were seeing him on TV doing such a wonder food, y'all, remember,
Speaker 1: everybody was like, look at the Governor's all right? People
Speaker 1: would call people were calling me. I'm not saying you said,
Speaker 1: but I'm just telling you. People were calling me from
Speaker 1: Alabama here and there, nan your governor, Look at your governor.
Speaker 1: The problem is, to go back to my original point.
Speaker 1: They were comparing him and his ability to sit down
Speaker 1: and have a charismatic conversation and lead to a full
Speaker 1: president who was acting like a big dummy and a clown.
Speaker 1: So they told in their minds they saw some leadership
Speaker 1: and they're like, wow. Meanwhile, we've been saying that Governor
Speaker 1: Cuomo was complete trash. We've been saying that, We've been
Speaker 1: telling you each trash. We've been telling you that he
Speaker 1: has been behind racist policies. We've we've been telling folks that.
Speaker 1: And I had to stop family members and say, y'all
Speaker 1: don't know this dude. Do not let his nice looking Yeah,
Speaker 1: he knows how to speak, and well he don't wear
Speaker 1: it really good. He just wears a button shirt and
Speaker 1: roll up. He got the he got a fly white boy,
Speaker 1: older white boy look. And so people were really tricked.
Speaker 1: And I was having conversations with even my own family
Speaker 1: members being like, yo, this guy number one. He has
Speaker 1: pushed pushed racist policies in New York. He has been
Speaker 1: divisive in terms of developing um or or or incentivizing
Speaker 1: Democrats to sort of leave the very liberal side of
Speaker 1: decision making and voting on issues and lean more towards
Speaker 1: conservative politics. He literally was giving people and they will
Speaker 1: say he didn't do that. Uh, you know, you're saying
Speaker 1: he did. He didn't assign offices. It was at his direction. Okay.
Speaker 1: They were giving people corner offices, you know, better access
Speaker 1: they can meet with the Governor Moore to be a
Speaker 1: part of something called UH the I d C. Which
Speaker 1: was an independent part of the government where we send people,
Speaker 1: we vote for somebody and send them to Albany, which
Speaker 1: is the state capital of New York. We send them
Speaker 1: up there and say that they are UM a Democrat,
Speaker 1: and next thing you know, you find out they up
Speaker 1: there caucusing with the Republicans, making decisions that are against
Speaker 1: what the Democrats needed. And by the way, the individuals
Speaker 1: that they were able to sort of move to a
Speaker 1: more conservative side. It took the power away from a
Speaker 1: black woman who was in charge of the Senate. She
Speaker 1: had the power. She was basically the strongest senator in
Speaker 1: New York. Okay, this black woman, UM, and she's the
Speaker 1: majority rep um Uh Andrea Stewart cousins. And it took
Speaker 1: away so many votes that they were no longer in
Speaker 1: the majority, so they could not vote on progressive policies. Okay.
Speaker 1: And the governor orchestrated this himself. I could go down
Speaker 1: the list things that the governor has done to be divisive,
Speaker 1: to be on the wrong side of history, um, to
Speaker 1: be you know, against anti giving us money and resources
Speaker 1: to deal with gun violence. Now, all of a sudden
Speaker 1: it's become a priority on his list. I wonder why,
Speaker 1: until he started courting the idea of running for president,
Speaker 1: he was, damn there a Republican governor. That's the way
Speaker 1: he was governed in New York, Okay. And you get
Speaker 1: and don't ask me, go get some of the Democratic
Speaker 1: elected officials who've been up there in Washington fighting him,
Speaker 1: the ones who had the I was getting ready to
Speaker 1: use the word balls. That's the wrong words to use.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, So let me say the well who have
Speaker 1: the courage, who have the courage to speak the truth
Speaker 1: about what the governor was really doing. So when they
Speaker 1: come out and say that he was sexually harassing and
Speaker 1: assaulting women, I'm not gonna say that. I just immediately
Speaker 1: believed it because you don't know, right. But after listening
Speaker 1: to the stories, after listening to some other people who
Speaker 1: are around, in my mind, I was thinking that the
Speaker 1: same trash that could do these things could potentially be
Speaker 1: doing this stuff too. But they said, let's have an investigation.
Speaker 1: And Tis James Leticia James, who is the Attorney General,
Speaker 1: a black woman of New York State, who, by the way,
Speaker 1: the governor's supported and also helped to get elected. So
Speaker 1: don't give me the bullshit about oh, she's just against
Speaker 1: him and this. No, she that was her man. And
Speaker 1: there's been many times that I wanted Tis James to
Speaker 1: come out against the governor and she didn't say anything,
Speaker 1: and that caused a point of contention between me and
Speaker 1: her politics. Okay, So to be clear, this is not
Speaker 1: about permanent friends. It's about permanent interests. And so when
Speaker 1: they said, when Tis James said she's gonna come out
Speaker 1: with a report, I was skeptical. But I sat back
Speaker 1: and I said, if anybody's gonna do it right, I
Speaker 1: believe a black woman will. And guess what a bunch
Speaker 1: of before she could get her report out the gate,
Speaker 1: a bun to black leaders people I love and respect,
Speaker 1: came forward to support the governor and did so much
Speaker 1: as going out of their way to make it seem
Speaker 1: like he was some type of golden child. Okay, before
Speaker 1: they allowed the actual investigation to happen, and we're supposed
Speaker 1: to be supporting and believe in women and all of that.
Speaker 1: But these individuals, black folks got together and went out
Speaker 1: and supported the governor prior to again allowingness other black
Speaker 1: woman to come forward with her report. And now the
Speaker 1: report comes out and the cell phone stuff and and
Speaker 1: and testimony and other things evidence to show that he
Speaker 1: was in inappropriate conversations and relations. And there are women
Speaker 1: who say they didn't even want the attention, They didn't
Speaker 1: even want the passes that were being made at them,
Speaker 1: and the harassment and the cornering that they felt, and
Speaker 1: the way that they felt at work, and and then
Speaker 1: after they came forward with their stories, rather than in
Speaker 1: him being ostracized, these women were moved out of their offices.
Speaker 1: They were and this is what they do all the
Speaker 1: time when this is why people do not like to
Speaker 1: come forward, especially about powerful men and abuse, because what
Speaker 1: they did was they ostracized the women. They made the
Speaker 1: women feel uncomfortable at work, they moved their deaths, they
Speaker 1: isolated them, and he was allowed to run around with
Speaker 1: his black friends who came out and said he was
Speaker 1: the greatest things, the greatest thing since sliced bread. And
Speaker 1: now the black woman's report, who is his friend, who
Speaker 1: he helped to get in office, who he supports and
Speaker 1: she supports him. They was cool, and that woman had
Speaker 1: to come forward and say, you know what, after my investigation,
Speaker 1: I believe I know that he did this. And when
Speaker 1: you think about that, you know, it took a lot,
Speaker 1: of course it did. It means that there has to
Speaker 1: be some level of evidence or that pushed her to actually,
Speaker 1: you know, say, nah, this has happened to me, because
Speaker 1: when somebody supports you, get you in the position, you know,
Speaker 1: when you have a level of loyalty to come out
Speaker 1: and say that, you know, the you know, the whole
Speaker 1: investigation must to uncover some things that she couldn't even deny.
Speaker 1: You know, it wasn't up for graduates. It could have
Speaker 1: been this. I believe that this investigation had to show
Speaker 1: some things that was telling to the point where it's like,
Speaker 1: there's no way I can act like this in absolutely no,
Speaker 1: I mean that is the absolutely, that's the bottom line,
Speaker 1: that this is a man who helped a black woman
Speaker 1: from Brooklyn, a black girl from Brooklyn. Let's start there.
Speaker 1: Who who who rolls through the ranks of city government
Speaker 1: became the public advocate and then became the actual Attorney
Speaker 1: general of New York State, which is one of the
Speaker 1: absolute most powerful states in the world, okay, with the
Speaker 1: most powerful city in the world, the top cop. And
Speaker 1: it was the governor who helped carry her to that position,
Speaker 1: along with other black women and black folks who supported
Speaker 1: her as well. I'm not saying that the voters weren't there,
Speaker 1: but it takes political posturing and power in order to
Speaker 1: become the attorney general as a black woman, the first ever. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's be clear. So for her to come out with
Speaker 1: these states, this statement and to say that her findings
Speaker 1: is that the governor um engaged in inappropriate sexual uh
Speaker 1: uh with its harassment, she didn't even use. I didn't
Speaker 1: hear her say assault, which, by the way, the women
Speaker 1: say that they were groped and that would be assault.
Speaker 1: But I'm sure she's trying to be careful because legally
Speaker 1: and whatever else, and maybe even personally, she's got to
Speaker 1: be careful. So she says sexual harassment. For her to
Speaker 1: do that, that's very hard because by the way, that
Speaker 1: white man sat on TV and said, he's not stepping down,
Speaker 1: he's not doing anything. He's going forward because he didn't
Speaker 1: do anything wrong, and he damned there, and from what
Speaker 1: I can hear, made it seem like these women, if
Speaker 1: I did do it, that's what they wanted. And here
Speaker 1: you are the attorney general who has to run for
Speaker 1: office and other things that needs to be able to
Speaker 1: do your job and operate, and now you have an
Speaker 1: enemy that you've made out of a man who we
Speaker 1: all know to be somebody who definitely absolutely carries grudges
Speaker 1: against people, because that's who, uh Andrew Cuomo is. Okay,
Speaker 1: so she didn't just do that. And so what I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to figure out as a part of my
Speaker 1: thought of the day, is what do these black leaders
Speaker 1: have to say? Now? What do they have to say? Now?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think for me, it's always touch it's
Speaker 1: very touchy subjects when it comes to accusation, especially in
Speaker 1: in you know, political parties and things like that, because
Speaker 1: you have to be careful, you know, you have to
Speaker 1: really be careful who you put your support. Maud. You know,
Speaker 1: I've learned that I'm not really a political person, you know,
Speaker 1: but I've watched over the years people support people, you know, blindly,
Speaker 1: you know, just out of faith and friendship. You gotta
Speaker 1: be real careful because these are people that we're putting
Speaker 1: in charge of our government, in charge of us, so
Speaker 1: you gotta be real careful. A lot of these black leaders,
Speaker 1: like you said, they want support, and they support when
Speaker 1: you when you get him getting behind Tish and they said, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is somebody that's that can be an ally, you know,
Speaker 1: so they want to come out. They want to believe him.
Speaker 1: He says I didn't do anything wrong, bone he seems adamant,
Speaker 1: but other people want to believe him. So, you know,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of them are probably are definitely
Speaker 1: gonna be disappointed. Have to eat you know, I have
Speaker 1: to eat crow and sit around and tell people who
Speaker 1: they probably know who are making these accusations that now
Speaker 1: you gotta say sorry to some people. But well then
Speaker 1: I don't even know because I think I was gonna
Speaker 1: say something that would probably get me in a lot
Speaker 1: of trouble. So I'm not gonna say it. But and
Speaker 1: it's not even about to get me in trouble. But
Speaker 1: I also have love for a lot of these leaders,
Speaker 1: and so I don't want to make statements that I
Speaker 1: don't know to be true. But I know what I think.
Speaker 1: But I will say this, The problem that I have
Speaker 1: is not that they want to support the governor because
Speaker 1: they've worked with the governor for years. Many of them
Speaker 1: have strong relationships with him. He's been helpful to in
Speaker 1: different ways. I'm not saying he's been all bad, of
Speaker 1: course not. I mean, certainly there's been things that the
Speaker 1: governor has done to help New York stay progressive, um,
Speaker 1: you know, in terms of his ability to communicate uh
Speaker 1: and the ways in which he deals with disaster. But
Speaker 1: so was Giuliani when it came to disaster relief after
Speaker 1: non eleven. That's how Giuliani became beloved because he came
Speaker 1: to the scene and was on it, on it, on it,
Speaker 1: and people were like, Okay, they like this mayor. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: this guy, let's not get into it. But I mean,
Speaker 1: we talked about we talked about a white supremacist, a starch,
Speaker 1: a staunch racist. Okay, so this this is a whole
Speaker 1: different set of issues. But I'm just saying, and I'm
Speaker 1: not in any way comparing Cuomo and Giuliani to one another.
Speaker 1: But what I am saying is that the comparison can
Speaker 1: be that just because someone does good when you're watching them,
Speaker 1: from one angle doesn't mean that there are not other
Speaker 1: things that are extremely harmful happening as well. It's the
Speaker 1: same thing with us. You might look at us and say, well,
Speaker 1: I like street politicians, but I don't like what they're
Speaker 1: doing with until freedom. And you have every right to
Speaker 1: be able to say that. And I what I wear
Speaker 1: I have a problem is that. And my specific concern
Speaker 1: is why not wait until the report from a black
Speaker 1: woman who's the attorney general that we all supported came out.
Speaker 1: Because the people want to be on the custom. They
Speaker 1: want to no I I think they want to get
Speaker 1: some support. That's some of them, some of them, some
Speaker 1: of them, but there's also some of them that have
Speaker 1: a problem with support white people. First, they are they
Speaker 1: are trained that the white man's ice is cold there,
Speaker 1: and that's a problem. That's definitely, that's a problem. That's
Speaker 1: what I got. I mean, we we deal with Stockholm,
Speaker 1: you know that most of us in our community deal
Speaker 1: with that, you know, and this is no different. I've
Speaker 1: watched it happen throughout history. We see it happen every day.
Speaker 1: We see people that will attack us, you know, we
Speaker 1: see people that will attack us or have done things
Speaker 1: to us. That work with white people who do way
Speaker 1: worse than us, you know. So it's it's it's a
Speaker 1: sad reality. Man. Hopefully you know, justice has served, and
Speaker 1: hopefully it is because the process. But I'm not I
Speaker 1: don't really have faith in a lot of these things.
Speaker 1: I don't know obviously any of these women. But I
Speaker 1: do know that he the governor, his personality is one
Speaker 1: that does whatever he wants to do. He is a
Speaker 1: white man who knows that he's a white man. You know,
Speaker 1: I was on the line in the airport, um, when
Speaker 1: leaving New York to take my mom to visit her
Speaker 1: sister just a few weeks ago. Oh maybe it was
Speaker 1: last week, I don't know what. It isn't matter, um,
Speaker 1: and a white man was in front of us, and
Speaker 1: the line all of a sudden there was just complications.
Speaker 1: I hate, I absolutely hate going to John F. Kennedy.
Speaker 1: This is not a place that I like and it's
Speaker 1: just too much UM. And so you know, there was
Speaker 1: drama on the line and we got delayed extra time
Speaker 1: because of all the drama. And the white man who's
Speaker 1: in front of us turns around and looks at me
Speaker 1: and he goes, you know this, this like these people
Speaker 1: are skipping us, that we've lost control here, and I say, yes,
Speaker 1: so this is ridiculously so let me go get somebody.
Speaker 1: So he goes off. He goes to get somebody and
Speaker 1: the lady at the counter tells him start sart, excuse me,
Speaker 1: excuse me, sir. I need to finish what I'm doing
Speaker 1: over here and then I'll get back to He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but people are skipping. She refused to answer his question.
Speaker 1: Another lady comes. He tells this lady she's still nobody's
Speaker 1: dealing with the problem that he speaks that. Finally, finally,
Speaker 1: I say to one person, and you know I'm saying
Speaker 1: different from other people. I gotta I know, you gotta
Speaker 1: put a little bit of black woman and maybe a
Speaker 1: little ghetto so people can know you're not playing. So
Speaker 1: I had I had to be like yo, like this
Speaker 1: is not working and really make them fix the problem.
Speaker 1: The white man turns around and says to my mother
Speaker 1: and I overhear him saying I'm a white man and
Speaker 1: couldn't get good service. He said that, you know, normally
Speaker 1: white people get good service. So if I'm not saying that,
Speaker 1: and I don't even know how you expect to get it,
Speaker 1: and it's basically you, you the man. The white man
Speaker 1: turned around and looked at my mother and said, I'm
Speaker 1: a white man. It can't even get good service at
Speaker 1: this airport. Okay, So that means more than likely in
Speaker 1: his life. I think he probably is a liberal white
Speaker 1: man who was trying to make a joke. But the
Speaker 1: point of the matter is that he wreck not says
Speaker 1: he's white and he can use it this way or
Speaker 1: that way, but in in clomo situation, he uses his
Speaker 1: whiteness to to have extreme power. And you could go
Speaker 1: to the governor with all types of issues and problems
Speaker 1: trying to you know, I've seen the elected officials trying
Speaker 1: to work with him, and he takes a position that
Speaker 1: I'm king, and so therefore it's not hard for me
Speaker 1: to believe that when it came to these women, he
Speaker 1: thought he was king as well. And I just feel
Speaker 1: like we should let the Queen, the attorney General, a
Speaker 1: black woman, had the last say on whether or not
Speaker 1: he actually um did anything wrong, and then he should
Speaker 1: have to defend himself. But that's that's that. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be a little controversial because I've seen a couple of
Speaker 1: your friends up there, you know, listen. But before we
Speaker 1: go to the next segment and have our special guests joint,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a quick break for our sponsors. You
Speaker 1: know what, we really literally have a lot of friends
Speaker 1: that do a lot of great things, you know. And
Speaker 1: I know sometimes we always say what we need to
Speaker 1: find people that we don't necessarily agree with on issues
Speaker 1: and make sure they are part of the show, But
Speaker 1: I do. I always wanted to create a platform that
Speaker 1: gives voice to folks that people don't see often. Right,
Speaker 1: people need to know that there are individuals out here
Speaker 1: who helped to keep us going even though things may
Speaker 1: not be perfect. Uh, there's a lot of work to
Speaker 1: be done. There are individuals that really fight for us
Speaker 1: every single day and people who um you know, are
Speaker 1: helping to try to move the ball forward and to
Speaker 1: keep us uh and keep us alive because definite for real,
Speaker 1: for real. And you know again, a friend of ours
Speaker 1: that is joining us today for a conversation and someone
Speaker 1: that I know really well. I have a funny joke
Speaker 1: to tell um, which I'll say second, but I want
Speaker 1: to introduce him. He is UM, a former chief UM
Speaker 1: at the n y p D. The new York Police Department,
Speaker 1: and I smiled because we have had the absolute most uh,
Speaker 1: serious and contentious debates, him being a police officer and
Speaker 1: me being an activist, and us working together on a
Speaker 1: number of campaigns and strategies over the years, we've had
Speaker 1: some heated, heated conversations about what what the direction should be,
Speaker 1: both from the community and the police department. And the
Speaker 1: thing about Chief Phil Banks, Chief Philip Banks, the third
Speaker 1: I call him PP three because his daddy, Um uh,
Speaker 1: it's your grandfather, who must have been the senior, right,
Speaker 1: Your dad is the second who I love? Is this
Speaker 1: the finest man walking the earth? Um? He also was
Speaker 1: a police officer. And then you have Phil Banks, who
Speaker 1: started out twenty nine well, for twenty nine years he
Speaker 1: worked within the NYPD, started out, of course, as a
Speaker 1: beat cop, then became a precinct commander, Borough commander, went
Speaker 1: to community affairs, which is where the beginning of our
Speaker 1: relationship is. Where he's now over the police officers who
Speaker 1: are in the community all the time, and was leading
Speaker 1: an effort and did a very good job of reshaping
Speaker 1: what community affairs looked like in New York City and
Speaker 1: making sure that it was really, really for the community.
Speaker 1: And then of course before retiring, he became chief of Departments, UM,
Speaker 1: where he was literally, I guess I would say, second
Speaker 1: to the commissioner running New York City. UM. And I
Speaker 1: got an opportunity to go from community affairs to chief
Speaker 1: of department. So I understand the intricacies of the NYPD
Speaker 1: and policing across the country based upon my relationship with you, Phil,
Speaker 1: and I want to thank you for coming on with
Speaker 1: my son and me today. UM. You know the thing.
Speaker 1: The thing I laugh about though, is because you know,
Speaker 1: many times I would go and say, well, you know,
Speaker 1: the police are doing this, that and the third thing wrong,
Speaker 1: and He's like, who are you talking about Pookie? I
Speaker 1: know Pookie, Like I was out there with Pooky needs
Speaker 1: to be arrested because POOKI is a danger to society.
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, he needs services. He yeah, he might
Speaker 1: need all of that, but right now we need to
Speaker 1: get Pookie off the streets. Like, don't tell me about
Speaker 1: Pookie and Ray Ray. Because going through all of these
Speaker 1: steps from being a beat cop all the way to
Speaker 1: chief departments, he knows the community. He lives in Queens,
Speaker 1: he has young kids, he has brothers who are in
Speaker 1: all different fields people and lives, and he knows and
Speaker 1: understands the street life very well. Works with Erica Ford.
Speaker 1: So this is not so you can't really talk him,
Speaker 1: you know, into these corners because he actually has the
Speaker 1: is to say that you have to be able to
Speaker 1: address at the same time, but clearly he understands the
Speaker 1: need to put in the community. You understand the need
Speaker 1: feel to put in the community to resources that's necessary
Speaker 1: so that police are not in contact, um in the
Speaker 1: ways in which they are with individuals who need services
Speaker 1: and support. Right. Agree, absolutely, And you know, I think
Speaker 1: you bring up an interesting point. And I think that
Speaker 1: until we as a as a city, as a country,
Speaker 1: as a community, as a world come to the conclusion
Speaker 1: on both sides that police ain't one can no longer
Speaker 1: be just a responsible of law forcement because they can't
Speaker 1: get it right right, you know what you know and
Speaker 1: importantly most people don't know what they don't know right,
Speaker 1: so they just fill in the blanks right. And it's
Speaker 1: subsequently we have now, in my opinion, um uh, a
Speaker 1: dynamic with police reform and tough on crime. People think
Speaker 1: a mutually exclusive When I say tough on crime, I
Speaker 1: mean I mean keeping the citizen the safe. But you
Speaker 1: have to have peature from and in these cities. We
Speaker 1: are policing the same way we've been policing for fifty
Speaker 1: or sixty years, and it has to stop because it
Speaker 1: doesn't work. And our challenge that it never worked. It
Speaker 1: gave short time results, but I will challenge that has
Speaker 1: never had full time results. But that's an argument that
Speaker 1: a lot of people can make. But I do know
Speaker 1: vehemently and I will strongly is that we have to
Speaker 1: change the way we police to these cities. And that
Speaker 1: change has to come from a combination of the law
Speaker 1: enforcement world who's willing to admit mistakes, willing to realize
Speaker 1: that they don't have all the answers, and then the
Speaker 1: advocacy where the activists can be like itself they realize
Speaker 1: that there's an aspect of this that you may not
Speaker 1: realize what you can bring to the table, and we
Speaker 1: can bring to the able together that we can totally
Speaker 1: change how we please. I actually don't see any other
Speaker 1: way that we can have any type of affair and
Speaker 1: ever and safe results for for this fair country. So
Speaker 1: from your point of view, just listening, you know, we
Speaker 1: we were in a very big stage of violence right now,
Speaker 1: all over, especially in New York City, violence is up
Speaker 1: really high. Their calls for more police, they are called
Speaker 1: for defunding police. There's call for all these things. You're
Speaker 1: being a former police officer and and identifying with the community,
Speaker 1: what do you think is the next step? What do
Speaker 1: you think really needs to be done to either to
Speaker 1: stop the violence and build stronger police and community together.
Speaker 1: So there's no there's no one answer to that. But
Speaker 1: the first thing is this is that you have to
Speaker 1: have a system. When I say you the community right
Speaker 1: to people and even internally because internally you have police
Speaker 1: services that not that don't even trust the the concept
Speaker 1: of policing. You have to build that trust. And that
Speaker 1: trust is not designed to take people to basketball games,
Speaker 1: not to take seniors to UH shopping. There's got to
Speaker 1: be a real trust that government is working for other
Speaker 1: people and that policing is here to help my life better. Right.
Speaker 1: The litmus tests has got to be when the average
Speaker 1: person who is not communting a crime, which is nine
Speaker 1: of us, nine cent of us, when they see a
Speaker 1: police services they feel relieved, that they feel happy, and
Speaker 1: the police have to figure that out. Why why does
Speaker 1: that not happen. And I'm going to profess that they
Speaker 1: are a very simple solution that people are willing to
Speaker 1: stop and listen. It's not as complicated. Once you have
Speaker 1: that trust, then you have to be able to make
Speaker 1: these policies that are coming out that are beneficial for
Speaker 1: the community. So I'll give you a point in an example,
Speaker 1: when we in a police partment come out with the
Speaker 1: strategy and let's just say it's gun strategy to apprehend
Speaker 1: guns off the street. There's no community involving it at all.
Speaker 1: We're just we're coming up with just the data the
Speaker 1: people who wear uniformed and this is what we think
Speaker 1: that's going to happen. There's gonna reduced amount of guss
Speaker 1: on the street. But there's no there's there's the religious
Speaker 1: community does no pint in that, the activist community does
Speaker 1: no pint in that, the grandmother community, he does not
Speaker 1: know point in that industry, there's no point in that.
Speaker 1: And there's so much that we could receive from these individuals,
Speaker 1: from these entities that we can now come up with
Speaker 1: a very comprehensive, stronger strategy to being goes up the
Speaker 1: street where everybody's in the same boat and everybody now
Speaker 1: is going to live and die with those results. And
Speaker 1: we don't do that because we have been brought up
Speaker 1: in a system that we know what's best for you.
Speaker 1: So sit back and that mindset has got to has
Speaker 1: got to change immediately. M So when you hear defund
Speaker 1: the police, what is it? How do you feel about that? Well?
Speaker 1: I don't see. I don't you know what I and
Speaker 1: I get to actual question a lot to you. I
Speaker 1: don't know what defunded police quote unquote what it means, right,
Speaker 1: so defund the police? I think that, Um, I'm not amissed.
Speaker 1: The saying is that the funding of policing UM has
Speaker 1: been overly funded. It's a very well possibility. I think
Speaker 1: every city agency, UM government agency needs to go through
Speaker 1: extensive reviews on whether or not one you're overfunded too,
Speaker 1: whether that the money is being used correctly. But if
Speaker 1: the funded police is using the amount of punishment that
Speaker 1: we're looking to punish you because the past or even
Speaker 1: current misdias, then I certainly do not agree with that.
Speaker 1: If we do the review, we may realize that policing
Speaker 1: needs to be overfunded, but the manner in which you're
Speaker 1: applying policing may not be in a point. Our example
Speaker 1: I'll give you is that if we found out and
Speaker 1: I'll just pick on money agen see, just because I
Speaker 1: like to pick on them, and when I'm picking on them,
Speaker 1: I'm picking on myself. In New York City Police Department,
Speaker 1: and I'm throwing out the number here, these numbers are
Speaker 1: not factor. If they have ten million dollars for artificial
Speaker 1: intelligence to put up cameras in the community, and we're
Speaker 1: looking to use this artific school intelligence to to to
Speaker 1: to gather intel on people who are commit any crimes,
Speaker 1: well maybe that needs to be five million dollars, and
Speaker 1: maybe the key people in the community needs to understand
Speaker 1: exactly what the policies are and what the stakeholder and
Speaker 1: what's going that state of what we're trying to accomplish,
Speaker 1: because they, in fact can give you some information that
Speaker 1: maybe enables you to do it differently and cheaper. So
Speaker 1: the funding at that point is not a punitive, it's
Speaker 1: just actually smart economically. But then we may realize that
Speaker 1: we may need to put fifty million dollars in that
Speaker 1: and not only is gonna come when you have multiple
Speaker 1: people at the table. I'll just give you a quick
Speaker 1: example when I was tasked with the borough commander in
Speaker 1: Manhattan North and for the people who are not from
Speaker 1: New York and may not know a borrow commander in
Speaker 1: New York City police uparment is in charge of all
Speaker 1: of the police services in a certain area, and in
Speaker 1: New York City we break it up. Most of the
Speaker 1: bowlers are broken up into two, not all, but the
Speaker 1: Manhattan's broken up in the tool. So I was responsible
Speaker 1: for all police and from fifty nine Streets up until
Speaker 1: to the areas of the Bronx from River the River
Speaker 1: and I was tasked with when I first took over
Speaker 1: the upcoming African American Day parade, and I remember the
Speaker 1: Police Commission at the time says that I want the
Speaker 1: violence to stop because we were averaging approximately twelve shootings
Speaker 1: uh during that parade. He said, we have to stop
Speaker 1: the violence. And when I did the comprehensive plan, I
Speaker 1: didn't call him in my police commanders, because if they
Speaker 1: knew how to stop doing the parade, then I would
Speaker 1: never have been assigned there to stop it in the
Speaker 1: first I would. I did then extensive view with the
Speaker 1: community and I remember specifically it was it was it
Speaker 1: was multiple The whole plan was based on what, in fact,
Speaker 1: how the community would minimize violence. And it now when
Speaker 1: I did, I just use an example, you know, we
Speaker 1: U was Adam thaking power. It's a very big street
Speaker 1: is divided by a center. And this came from a
Speaker 1: meeting I had on H Street and the person said
Speaker 1: it was a group of people order they they said,
Speaker 1: why don't you keep the second cart of that open
Speaker 1: on the the west side of the street because the
Speaker 1: parade is only going on the up the east side,
Speaker 1: but that traffic, in fact, we kind of regulate the
Speaker 1: ear to back to some type of normalcy and create
Speaker 1: a whole different mindset. Therefore, now you have left areas
Speaker 1: we could actually use the traffic as sort of like
Speaker 1: a form of security. And it worked magnificently and every
Speaker 1: idea I used, and from that day we did not
Speaker 1: take one shooting. And I remember that morning the commissioner
Speaker 1: said to me, I mean that night after that he said,
Speaker 1: we didn't take one shooting. And I remember joke went
Speaker 1: in it says, I don't, I don't, I don't take
Speaker 1: you this. I said, I I don't tolerate shootings or
Speaker 1: my watch and and see, I just want to be
Speaker 1: very clear about that, and I really minimized the contribution
Speaker 1: to the men and women of the Peace Bomber because
Speaker 1: that contribution is very full the ideas, the specifics, try
Speaker 1: this and do that. That came from the community. I
Speaker 1: was tasked with it and he did that because he
Speaker 1: tasked people stopping violence at um Uh the pre Uh
Speaker 1: West Indian Day Parade. I mean it takes place in
Speaker 1: each Yeah, we did. We did seventeen nineteen shootings. And
Speaker 1: remember he met me in the morning and he says,
Speaker 1: we didn't take any shooting. I can't remember, and that
Speaker 1: was my joke. I don't tolerate shootings and the way
Speaker 1: we police that. When I say every I mean single
Speaker 1: suggestion came from the community. Now, I want to be
Speaker 1: very clear because then when people here they said, well
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to give the cops credit. Well, the
Speaker 1: contribution that we had, we already had, So that was
Speaker 1: from the from within. I already already knew internally what
Speaker 1: we were doing. The extra I needed the extra and
Speaker 1: that came from going around to community block association groups,
Speaker 1: finding out the people called three on one because those
Speaker 1: are the key people constructive about the area, and each
Speaker 1: of them gives you a little better, a little bit
Speaker 1: of an ingredient, and then you sit back and say, Rob,
Speaker 1: I would have never thought of that, And all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, now we took no shooting. So they the
Speaker 1: key is getting people in to open up these dig
Speaker 1: opens and dilaws and understanding one thing. You don't know everything.
Speaker 1: This is what I teld my commanders, and try to
Speaker 1: figure out what you don't know. Know what you don't know,
Speaker 1: because there's people out there that know it very well.
Speaker 1: And if you're willing to be able to you know,
Speaker 1: challenge your ego and keeping your third year open. Uh,
Speaker 1: we can we can do this? Can I say that
Speaker 1: all the time? And you can't. You can't govern the
Speaker 1: community like the government is based on the community. It's
Speaker 1: for the people, by the people. You can't govern people
Speaker 1: the way that you want to govern them. You have
Speaker 1: to govern them the way that they see fit to
Speaker 1: be governed. So if you if you're talking about a
Speaker 1: community and you haven't included the community, do you actually
Speaker 1: not doing anything? So that's the I think that model
Speaker 1: is perfect. What do you feel about stopping frisk you know,
Speaker 1: that's your question. This is this is where we had
Speaker 1: almost blows and before before you, before you say can
Speaker 1: answer to that, I'm going to tell my funny joke
Speaker 1: because this is a perfect time to say it. When
Speaker 1: I used to go to the police department, I used
Speaker 1: to go to n y p D basically every other
Speaker 1: day because my job was to focus on reducing gun violence,
Speaker 1: which was the crisis management system that Erica Ford, a
Speaker 1: t M I and I were building together along with
Speaker 1: a bunch of other incredible people. So we would do
Speaker 1: on that, but we were also working on police brutality incidents, um,
Speaker 1: and so I had to go. My job was to
Speaker 1: go down to the NYPD and argue with Phil Banks
Speaker 1: and everybody in his office every single day. Every day
Speaker 1: I had to be down there, and so there would
Speaker 1: be times when they would allow me to come in
Speaker 1: and park in the structure when downstairs, so the commissioner
Speaker 1: knew me. He would see me in there in debate,
Speaker 1: going back and forth, and then I would literally leave
Speaker 1: the building and go outside and protest against them because
Speaker 1: it wasn't working. Nobody seemed to be getting what I
Speaker 1: was trying to say. So I would saying, Okay, cool,
Speaker 1: I'm calling everybody, We're about to protest. And I remember
Speaker 1: vehemently one day that Phil Banks looked at me and said,
Speaker 1: I'm going to the media and I'm gonna tell everybody
Speaker 1: that you've been in this office for three days. You
Speaker 1: ate the pizza, you drunk, the coffee, you drunk the
Speaker 1: see and then you go outside and you talk about
Speaker 1: us like trash. And I'm like, because it's trash up
Speaker 1: in here. And and stopping fris was the issue of
Speaker 1: the day that we fought over. And I remember saying
Speaker 1: that when I was there. The first person I'm gonna
Speaker 1: lock over, Yeah, used to tell me that. And I
Speaker 1: did get locked up a few times, but go ahead,
Speaker 1: here's what I say. And and I think that this
Speaker 1: is one of the major major mistakes that was made
Speaker 1: in policing um. And this is where the eel comes
Speaker 1: in that not explaining what stop question of frisk actually
Speaker 1: was and not being able to realize when you have
Speaker 1: to pipot off of something that's not having the effect
Speaker 1: that you wanted to. The first thing I'll say is
Speaker 1: this a lot of people believe stop questioning frisk is
Speaker 1: a policy that's made up in the basement of one
Speaker 1: police plaza. On these police agencies, they do not realize
Speaker 1: that this is a criminal procedural law. This is a
Speaker 1: lawing of criminal procedure, guy, which is the first cousin
Speaker 1: to the penal law. So there's a penal law and
Speaker 1: there's criminal procedure law. The pedler told you what is
Speaker 1: the crime, A criminal procedure law told you how you
Speaker 1: are supposed to carry out your duties, and over the
Speaker 1: talk for years. I find it amazing that nobody speaks
Speaker 1: about that. It's in every state's cronical procedure law. And
Speaker 1: what it states is that as a police officer, you
Speaker 1: cannot stop anybody unless these things are current. So when
Speaker 1: people say eliminate stop question first, what the actually is
Speaker 1: saying is that if you eliminate stop question frist, then
Speaker 1: the police office can stop you for no reason at all.
Speaker 1: This is this is a criminal procedure Lord. This is
Speaker 1: not something that was created by any police department. This
Speaker 1: is part of the Lord, but was responsible for how
Speaker 1: stop question of first came to be. And that's and
Speaker 1: and and we we this is gonna the federal court,
Speaker 1: this is going to this is going to uh millions
Speaker 1: of hours. This is a low a criminal procedure Lord.
Speaker 1: And what it does, it is designed to curtail police
Speaker 1: officers responsibility. It says you can't stop somebody unless these
Speaker 1: factors are present. So when you say eliminate, stop questioning
Speaker 1: and FRIST, it's almost mis No, it doesn't exist, because
Speaker 1: what you're saying now is that the police officers now
Speaker 1: don't need a reason and they can stop you. What
Speaker 1: the problem for us is that the way they're addressing it,
Speaker 1: the way they're applying it. Absolutely, they were in a plane,
Speaker 1: stop question the FRIST they were. We were right, we
Speaker 1: were taking the criminal procedure law and we were applying
Speaker 1: it in a manner right that it should not even applied.
Speaker 1: And I answered the question that was to stop question
Speaker 1: the FRISH. That was unconstitutional policing. So what do I support?
Speaker 1: Stop question? The first? Absolutely don't support unconstitutional policing. So
Speaker 1: I'll give you an example to the origins they can understand.
Speaker 1: And I will say this and until you know, I
Speaker 1: consider myself to be a very very humble person. Um,
Speaker 1: if you check when the numbers are stop questioning, the
Speaker 1: fresh plunge dramatically. And this is I'm not paving myself
Speaker 1: on the back. This is you can prove this. Look
Speaker 1: at the date that I became the chief of the department.
Speaker 1: I had every single police command, the court, every single
Speaker 1: one court and says, if you cannot run your command
Speaker 1: without making me some necessary stops, I will find somebody
Speaker 1: that can't. And from that date they plunged, right, because
Speaker 1: what happens is this it will started being used as
Speaker 1: an activity generator. They started being used to say, hey,
Speaker 1: if you're stopping people, then you're doing good policing. So
Speaker 1: you had three things that happened. One police officers filling
Speaker 1: out reports that they were stopping people, one that they
Speaker 1: were not stopping, so that six hundred and forty number
Speaker 1: was running up, and and the third of them weren't
Speaker 1: even being stopped. A third of them was being stopped
Speaker 1: just to generate a number. They weren't being stopped to
Speaker 1: be able to commit crime. Right. And then you had
Speaker 1: what what what which has bothered me more than anything else.
Speaker 1: You had the and I don't blame the police officers
Speaker 1: and the sergeant in Lieu Tennis, they were not the
Speaker 1: ones that fall. It was the higher rate who turned
Speaker 1: a blind eye to in fact that these stocks that
Speaker 1: were done and in abundance, we were giving out over
Speaker 1: time for the gonna wake these stops, and we started
Speaker 1: saying the more people that you stopped, quote unquote, the
Speaker 1: better police obviously you are. And that is weird to think.
Speaker 1: Took a very nasty turn. And you know why it
Speaker 1: continued because the community told us to stop. And when
Speaker 1: you tell us to stop, how dare you tell us something?
Speaker 1: We know what's best because you're never sitting at the table,
Speaker 1: so we know what's best for you. And if we
Speaker 1: had looked at it and says, look at these police
Speaker 1: obviouslys who don't make any arrests, who are who who
Speaker 1: are not looking to actually stop crying, but they have
Speaker 1: stops today a month, so they're stopping people just to
Speaker 1: stop people, then not stop people. And it was not therefore,
Speaker 1: it was the people like myself and I'm saying that
Speaker 1: because I'm in that pool, that was the decision makers.
Speaker 1: But you don't like the word quotas. You keep telling
Speaker 1: me that it's not a quota. What do you call
Speaker 1: it in Well, it's it was It was a management
Speaker 1: that guys as that the more stops we make, then
Speaker 1: the more we can control crime. And now, so I
Speaker 1: want you to this, I want to explain that to
Speaker 1: be very clear. If you go and you stop a
Speaker 1: hundred people in the corner. You were going to reduce crime.
Speaker 1: You're gonna you're gonna get the guns up the street.
Speaker 1: You're gonna do this violence right, because we're not. We
Speaker 1: weren't concerned with one unconstitutional aspect of it right, and
Speaker 1: two more importantly than that, we weren't concerned with how
Speaker 1: we were making people feel. Because the bottom line was
Speaker 1: crime was being reduced, and that became our litmus tests,
Speaker 1: and it didn't have to become our lipmus tests. Our
Speaker 1: litmus tests could have been a lot better, a lot different.
Speaker 1: We could have still reduced the crime. We could have
Speaker 1: not fracted these uh, these communities if we had brought
Speaker 1: them to the table, and we brought you to the table, Tamika,
Speaker 1: and you came in like this right, and you're doing this,
Speaker 1: you're doing that, and then we gotta send it. So
Speaker 1: we got a little tight where you sim me, don't
Speaker 1: you sooner that and all of a sudden nothing good
Speaker 1: comes out of it. But if we had allowed that
Speaker 1: initial Okay, we're expecting to hear from people that are
Speaker 1: very upset because they have been having to add vertual
Speaker 1: relation with the community for many many years now after
Speaker 1: the first lay in the second layer, now te you
Speaker 1: start seeing the great work the police partners doing, and
Speaker 1: we start seeing the value that you can help us,
Speaker 1: help you help us. You so far with someone, and
Speaker 1: now we could have involved into an area in law
Speaker 1: enforcement where it is truly not the police, police in
Speaker 1: the community, but the community police in themselves. And I
Speaker 1: have a lot of faith and hope and and Eric
Speaker 1: Adams as the next, uh probable next mayor of New
Speaker 1: York City because working with him, I believe that he
Speaker 1: gets it. The community has to be a major part,
Speaker 1: a major part of policing constitutionally and driving crime down
Speaker 1: this particular city. And you could, and you can, you
Speaker 1: could take it from me. It can be done, and
Speaker 1: it can be done a lot easier than a lot
Speaker 1: of people are making out to be. Right now, well,
Speaker 1: the jury is still out on what. Um Eric who
Speaker 1: I love. You know, Eric is a friend. However, he
Speaker 1: and I have differenceive opinion on a number of issues,
Speaker 1: and obviously policing is one of them. UM. But you know,
Speaker 1: I know Eric, and I know that at his core
Speaker 1: he loves black people and he loves our community. And
Speaker 1: um and you know, and I also know of his
Speaker 1: intentional work to try to help address some of the
Speaker 1: issues within the police Department for so many years. So
Speaker 1: we'll see. But I plan, just like I used to
Speaker 1: be on your heels, to be on his uh doing
Speaker 1: whatever is necessary to bring awareness every single day to
Speaker 1: our issues and to make sure that we hold him accountable.
Speaker 1: And we want to thank you for coming on. I
Speaker 1: want to say that when you became chief departments, things
Speaker 1: change because you was really the big fish, like you
Speaker 1: were running the police Department UM and I see the
Speaker 1: work that happened, and I know the direction that you
Speaker 1: were taking the NYPD, and I think it was unfortunate
Speaker 1: that you were not and I know this is not
Speaker 1: your words as mine, I think it was unfortunate that
Speaker 1: you were not UM appointed to be commissioner. I think
Speaker 1: you would have done an incredible job at commission I
Speaker 1: still think that you should be drafted for the commissioner
Speaker 1: job under the new mayor. But I appreciate it when
Speaker 1: you were within the Community Affairs Department, When you ran
Speaker 1: that department, I saw and learned so much about what
Speaker 1: the NYPD could be UM and so I hope that
Speaker 1: you know And now I'm being honest with you. While
Speaker 1: I think that you know, those individuals who are there
Speaker 1: now do I think that they're trying to do a
Speaker 1: good job, certainly, but it's not the same aggressive, bold
Speaker 1: work that I saw happen and when you were in
Speaker 1: that position. So sometimes we rise in the ranks, and
Speaker 1: it's good that we make it to other successful places,
Speaker 1: but sometimes the work that we were doing before we
Speaker 1: got to this, you know, high profile, high calling um
Speaker 1: was actually more effective. So that's just my personal opinion.
Speaker 1: We thank you a lot. There's a lot of good
Speaker 1: people the YPD, and I think a lot of them
Speaker 1: just uh waiting to be awoken. And I'm relatively optimistic,
Speaker 1: and it's coming from a pessimist. I'm going to the
Speaker 1: optimistic that we can actually turn uh this thing around.
Speaker 1: More people forgot to come to the table. And the
Speaker 1: police department can never be as smart as the police department.
Speaker 1: The community together and they have to and they have
Speaker 1: to understand it. Well. We hope that you get that
Speaker 1: message across, because you know, the reality of situation is
Speaker 1: we we understand the necessity of the safety, you know,
Speaker 1: and what it's going to take to be safe is
Speaker 1: the community and the police department coming and understanding they
Speaker 1: both have a role in that safety. So we appreciate
Speaker 1: you until we're able to abolish the police. But that's
Speaker 1: a whole different days conversation. Need him look like we
Speaker 1: have public safety that is controlled by the community, but
Speaker 1: I haven't gotten you there yet. We'll keep working on it. Thanks,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. PP three, Philip Banks, thanks for
Speaker 1: being with Thanks for having me. Thank you so Listen.
Speaker 1: I'd like to welcome somebody to the show that another
Speaker 1: one of our friends. Friends. We always we seem to
Speaker 1: have dope friends. Man his brother right here, somebody who
Speaker 1: I've watched throughout two years, you know, somebody that I've
Speaker 1: modeled and I you know, I've beenmired from Afar and
Speaker 1: then became really close with him just watching him do
Speaker 1: his coming home from prison, you know, coming home from
Speaker 1: prison and understanding his purpose, you know, and directing from
Speaker 1: the street life and changing his whole trajectory making movies
Speaker 1: and making documentaries. Azing this amazing workman, family man man
Speaker 1: he was he was doing any of the first person
Speaker 1: you see the interview would do Ragson. He made it
Speaker 1: cool to be from the hood and just transition and
Speaker 1: not make it look Corny. You know what I say.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, so I just want to say welcome to
Speaker 1: your brother saying some styles he has. He has a
Speaker 1: documentary or is it a documentary called Killer to Beef? Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. Yeah, I appreciate you all. Um,
Speaker 1: we're all in this together for sure. Um. The documentary
Speaker 1: is called Killing Beef. I'm balanced in the black community,
Speaker 1: and it's on all platforms now. I have a global
Speaker 1: distribution deal with Senna John. Um, so they distributed worldwide.
Speaker 1: So now it's on Apple TV, Amazon to be and
Speaker 1: you know, to be continued, Xbox iTunes. It's all over now.
Speaker 1: But you can get a documentary on Xbox. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: didn't know that too until Senda John. You know, they
Speaker 1: sent me the list so the young people can see
Speaker 1: it on Xbox. Wow, that's that's incredible. Samson, you know,
Speaker 1: I've known you for a long time as well. And
Speaker 1: it wasn't until one day I was having a conversation
Speaker 1: with my son and he was like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: Samson was in prison and he started telling me the story.
Speaker 1: I had no idea, no, And I've known you for
Speaker 1: as you you know, we know, years and years and
Speaker 1: it's been decades, and I had no idea that you
Speaker 1: had been in prison, Like I My first in counterl
Speaker 1: with you was a guy who was like, you know, dope,
Speaker 1: like doing great working and you know, really deeply into
Speaker 1: your production and um, you know, working with your wife
Speaker 1: to who I love and admire and I and I
Speaker 1: just I had no idea you carry yourself in a
Speaker 1: way that you're not like walking around with your issues
Speaker 1: and the trauma of things that you've been through on
Speaker 1: your sleeve. So I just want to salute you for that.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Um, I just learned to appreciate, to appreciate
Speaker 1: life and appreciate the second chances, and to be able
Speaker 1: to affect change with storyteller. So you know when I
Speaker 1: when I ran across that profession, and I really ran
Speaker 1: across it, you know, and I found out that, you know,
Speaker 1: that was my calling and it's something that I was
Speaker 1: before you. Before you tell us that, before you tell
Speaker 1: us about your work, tell us your story, what happened
Speaker 1: to you? And then and and of course you've used
Speaker 1: your uh your pain if you will, and turned it
Speaker 1: into purpose. So let's go in that direction. First of all,
Speaker 1: help people understand your background, right, So, UM, I did
Speaker 1: seven years in prison altogether, really nine years. Um I
Speaker 1: did i'ment and twice. So first, you know, I had
Speaker 1: two to four and then I went in for I
Speaker 1: want to half the three. And then I got a
Speaker 1: FED charge I had in twenty one months for UM
Speaker 1: eighteen UFC twenty three destruction of move for property to
Speaker 1: prevent a seizure. It's like a white collar type of
Speaker 1: crime that they just put on me. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: it just gave me some extra time to do. So
Speaker 1: when I came home, you know, I was a product
Speaker 1: of the streets, so that's the only way I knew
Speaker 1: how to give money. And when I came home from
Speaker 1: prison in two thousand and four, the DVDs were out
Speaker 1: like smack DVDs, and you know, um those dvs, it
Speaker 1: was like the DVD circuit. So I said to myself, like,
Speaker 1: you know, how can I get into that game and
Speaker 1: make some money without you know, selling any drugs or
Speaker 1: getting in, you know, putting myself in a position to
Speaker 1: go back to prisident. So I started filming. I started
Speaker 1: filming these girls that fight and then underground fight Club.
Speaker 1: First of all, I started the fight club for these
Speaker 1: girls that fighting, Brownsville, and you know, there was always
Speaker 1: coarse and havoc and getting in trouble fighting. So I said,
Speaker 1: you know, let's make this constructive. So I started a
Speaker 1: fight club where they could show up being knuckles. They
Speaker 1: fight and they win prizes. You know, they win money.
Speaker 1: I had local businesses or whatever donate or they are
Speaker 1: better on the fight. It was totally illegal, but um,
Speaker 1: once I got with the right people, they said, you know, yo, UM,
Speaker 1: don't just do uh CDs DVDs with this. This is
Speaker 1: a story. This is a documentary. So um we started
Speaker 1: filming it as a documentary. And upon shopping the trailer,
Speaker 1: I runs into um by way of Q Tip because
Speaker 1: my man used to manage Q tip before he passed away,
Speaker 1: and he passed away while I was on my bid.
Speaker 1: When I came home, Q Tip was trying to, you know,
Speaker 1: help me get acclimated back in society, as far as
Speaker 1: even texting. I didn't know how to text, and all that.
Speaker 1: Things changed. This was after your first bit. No, this
Speaker 1: is after the second. This after second, but after this
Speaker 1: it was a rap. The first bit was in ninety four.
Speaker 1: I came home in ninety seven, then went back in
Speaker 1: two thousands, and came back and um, you know two
Speaker 1: thousand four. So um Q Tip was helping me get acclimated.
Speaker 1: And once I got the my DVD done and I
Speaker 1: had a trailer, I caused him and and I caused
Speaker 1: his role manager this brother named Light, and Light told
Speaker 1: me he said, Yo, you need to meet Nelson George.
Speaker 1: So he introduced me to Nelson George and then come
Speaker 1: to find out, Nelson Georgie from Brownsville. I didn't really
Speaker 1: realize who he was at the time that you know
Speaker 1: that he was this renowned author and you know, there's
Speaker 1: so many things and helped Chris Frock career, and you know,
Speaker 1: he had a big influence behind the scene. So he's
Speaker 1: watching it, I'm not knowing who he is. And he said, um, yo,
Speaker 1: this is good. You know, um my man, this is
Speaker 1: what he said. My man is the president of BT
Speaker 1: and I think he'd like to see this. He said,
Speaker 1: who else? A bit? Who else you've shown this too?
Speaker 1: And I told him, you know, we showed it to
Speaker 1: um Sheilda Nevers at HBO. We showed to this. Fore
Speaker 1: we showed to that one, and you know it was
Speaker 1: kind of some interest. You know. Nobody said no, and
Speaker 1: he said, YO, give us a shot like we have
Speaker 1: um he said, Retrial Hotland is my man, and he
Speaker 1: has over three hundred million dollars and BT to turn
Speaker 1: to the network around and this is one of the
Speaker 1: properties that I think we could you know, do something with. So,
Speaker 1: you know, you hear stuff all the time us from
Speaker 1: the streets, you know, you hear stuff I'm not, you know,
Speaker 1: So I didn't budge on it, and he looked at
Speaker 1: me it was like, YO, did you hear what I say? Like,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, I heard what you said. You know.
Speaker 1: Stivious called me, you know, and I just gave him
Speaker 1: a number. I didn't even take his and he called me.
Speaker 1: And so my first meeting, he called me to BT
Speaker 1: to speak with the President of BT, who at that
Speaker 1: time was Reginald Huntling. You know Reginald Huntling and he's
Speaker 1: that deal. So my first meeting was with Reginald Huntling
Speaker 1: and Nelson, George Selwyn Hanes all the topics that and
Speaker 1: they wanted, you know, they gave me money to complete
Speaker 1: the film six digits, you know, to complete the film.
Speaker 1: And then they said, yo, you you you you come
Speaker 1: off well on camera. You know, we want to give
Speaker 1: you a shot to you know, to um possibly be
Speaker 1: on BT, and I was like, you know, I never
Speaker 1: wanted to be on TV. And my song, you know,
Speaker 1: cash from the Streets Clean not too far, you know.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I didn't have too many pictures and nothing
Speaker 1: like that back in those days, you know. So I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I don't know about this. But
Speaker 1: once I found out it was all going to be
Speaker 1: in a positive light and then I get to share
Speaker 1: my perspective and not glorify anything that was in my
Speaker 1: past that you know, I was, I was with it
Speaker 1: and then it was successful, and then from there, you know,
Speaker 1: I took to it like a fish to water. Man.
Speaker 1: I knew I was still on federal supervisor release and
Speaker 1: on state parole at the same time, so I had
Speaker 1: all these restrictions on me. They didn't even want me
Speaker 1: to leave the bubble without going through the proper channels.
Speaker 1: So once they knew I was working at BT, they
Speaker 1: kind of like eased up on me. They pop up
Speaker 1: on the site sometime when we shoot, and they wouldn't
Speaker 1: say what they were to everybody, you know, as far
Speaker 1: as the crew, but the supervisor at that time, they
Speaker 1: made sure that they talked to him and that I
Speaker 1: was actually doing the work and stuff like that. So
Speaker 1: they kind of fell off me. And then um, I
Speaker 1: found my this. I just started telling people's stories that
Speaker 1: was significant to me. Like one of my man's came
Speaker 1: home from prison from doing like and and I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, what what is he going to do now?
Speaker 1: What doors are open form? And you know, they was
Speaker 1: giving me free rain. So I was like, look, I
Speaker 1: want to do a story on my man. He just
Speaker 1: came home from doing and it was you know, giving
Speaker 1: me that room to do that. And I just started
Speaker 1: seeing the power and telling people's stories and being able
Speaker 1: to tell it the right way. Um, even with you
Speaker 1: to me, I got you in early time footage a
Speaker 1: few times, you know, and and and even um uh
Speaker 1: sister Evercaford, I got hut before she even had her
Speaker 1: first office. I got some footage that I do you
Speaker 1: have all school footage. But when she was you know,
Speaker 1: in her mother basement, man conducting business from her from
Speaker 1: you know, God bless her mother passed. But um, when
Speaker 1: she was conducting business from the basement, to be able
Speaker 1: to capture that and doctor meant that to be able
Speaker 1: to look down to see the progress that people made
Speaker 1: and then some of it might have yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, me doing what I've done and exposing what
Speaker 1: they're doing may have even elevated them in some way
Speaker 1: that they might have been seen on this show or
Speaker 1: that show that I helped produce. Not a negative attached
Speaker 1: to it. So what what is killing the beef about?
Speaker 1: Killing beef is about? Um, it's a double on time.
Speaker 1: So we know beef. Killing beef can be somebody taking
Speaker 1: somebody head off, which is killing beef. And it could
Speaker 1: be you know, a resolution resolved in the beef, which
Speaker 1: is you kill that beef, squash it deady right, So
Speaker 1: I used that, um, because that's what I did in
Speaker 1: that documentary. I killed the beef for one of the
Speaker 1: guys that shot me up in eight eight I got
Speaker 1: shot five times by two two cats, and um, when
Speaker 1: one of the cats he had came home from prison.
Speaker 1: When he came home. Instead of us continue you in
Speaker 1: the beast, you know, we wind up getting together and
Speaker 1: talking to these youth and shaming our story and um
Speaker 1: youth that was in detention centers, alternatives and conservation programs
Speaker 1: in schools, and the way we did it, it was
Speaker 1: done in such a way that was so unpactful. Um,
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, I gotta start recording this. I gotta
Speaker 1: start recording these sessions and make something out of it
Speaker 1: because people are not gonna believe that this type of
Speaker 1: stuff don't usually happen. So we put the doct together
Speaker 1: and it's been like very successful. People that watch it,
Speaker 1: you know, it's been positive response, no negative response whatsoever.
Speaker 1: I mean not one negative comments saying any anything bad
Speaker 1: about it. So this person shot you and then you
Speaker 1: guys got together, how did you find him? And what
Speaker 1: was that? Like? This is like common what happens in
Speaker 1: the hood, right, Um, this is in the eighties, man.
Speaker 1: I used to you know, I used to rob drug dealing.
Speaker 1: I like to stick up drug builders and you know
Speaker 1: I used to, Um, I used to be one of
Speaker 1: those active shooters in the neighborhood. So what happened is
Speaker 1: I robbed somebody for their stuff. Um. You know I
Speaker 1: had robbed the stool, stuck him up, tied him up
Speaker 1: and stuff, and took everything that was in a safe
Speaker 1: and his jury. So I thought it was his, but
Speaker 1: come to find out it belonged to this other guy.
Speaker 1: He made me think it was his, and like he's
Speaker 1: bowling like that. So I got him, but it belonged
Speaker 1: to another guy. That guy that it belonged to grew
Speaker 1: up and my and my family's building, so to the
Speaker 1: point that one of his nephews is named after my uncle.
Speaker 1: So back in the streets, I guess, you know, in
Speaker 1: those days, it doesn't matter. So when he rolled up
Speaker 1: on me about the situation and with his guns out,
Speaker 1: it was, I mean, with his gun out. It was
Speaker 1: on the fourth of July and he rowed up on me.
Speaker 1: You know, I tried to convince him to go around
Speaker 1: the corner because there's too many kids outside. The fourth
Speaker 1: of July was a cookout, so there's a lot of
Speaker 1: action and stuff going on. So I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: let's go around the corner and toil and one thing
Speaker 1: left to another. I want to give too much away
Speaker 1: because I even have this in the film, but but
Speaker 1: what happened is um the guy that I also robbed
Speaker 1: was with him that I didn't see. So now I
Speaker 1: had two guns pointed at me, and you know, the
Speaker 1: end result was I wanted up getting shot up. So
Speaker 1: the guy that came behind me, I knew who he was,
Speaker 1: but the people in the area didn't know who he was,
Speaker 1: and and and you know my family members didn't know,
Speaker 1: so he he didn't get in any trouble for it. Smoke. Uh,
Speaker 1: that's the guy who shot me up. He I mean
Speaker 1: one of the guys, the one that lived in my
Speaker 1: grandmother's building. Everybody around the neighborhood knew who he was,
Speaker 1: so that was that was dumb, you know on his
Speaker 1: part to let that the bullets fly around, the kids,
Speaker 1: kids jumping, you know, people was piste off my family
Speaker 1: norm They thought I wasn't gonna make it, so you know,
Speaker 1: they testified on a lot of the people in the
Speaker 1: neighborhood testified on, so I didn't. And you know, he
Speaker 1: thought that he would be able to beat the trial
Speaker 1: because I wasn't coming to court. But they used the
Speaker 1: testimony of other witnesses and then my hospital report, and
Speaker 1: you know, he still got convicted. So when he came home. Uh,
Speaker 1: by the time he came home, I was at b
Speaker 1: T and I'm doing I'm doing great stuff. Now My
Speaker 1: life changed totally around. And then I got the message.
Speaker 1: My aunt had um text me and said, you know,
Speaker 1: this guy's out of jail. So then I started runnying
Speaker 1: a little bit because I said, man, I don't want
Speaker 1: to get pulled back in, you know, to this, to
Speaker 1: this type of life. So I asked my aunt do
Speaker 1: she know where he's staying at? And that was just
Speaker 1: for me to know in case something happened to you know,
Speaker 1: to if if he was gonna come looking for me,
Speaker 1: then I would be pulled into the game right all
Speaker 1: over again while I'm doing this great work already at
Speaker 1: b T that that was that thin line between the
Speaker 1: streets and where I was at now being legal. So um,
Speaker 1: I had his money and his boys reached out to
Speaker 1: me because he didn't want to see nothing happen to me,
Speaker 1: and he didn't want to see nothing happen to him.
Speaker 1: So he reached out to me and said, Yo, would
Speaker 1: you talk to do you? Would you mind sitting down
Speaker 1: and talking to him? And I said, yeah, I talked
Speaker 1: to him, you know, gave him my numbers to tell
Speaker 1: him to call me. So when he called me, you know,
Speaker 1: we spoke for a couple of hours on the phone.
Speaker 1: At first conversation. We spoke for a couple of hours
Speaker 1: about the incident, about what was wrong about the incident,
Speaker 1: um about how the young ones are coming up now,
Speaker 1: and and and and what he was doing in prison
Speaker 1: as far as he was facilitating talking to the young
Speaker 1: to try to that you know, the young people come
Speaker 1: to prison and try to deter them from going back
Speaker 1: to that way of life from what I was doing
Speaker 1: on the outside. So it's a perfect match for me
Speaker 1: to invite him because I was already speaking to you
Speaker 1: that detention centers and stuff, just being on BT and
Speaker 1: I'm knowing where I came from. They was listening to me,
Speaker 1: they was relating to me. So I said, I might
Speaker 1: as well bring him on with me to tell our story.
Speaker 1: And at the same time, we could become valuable to
Speaker 1: each other, so we don't have to worry about killing
Speaker 1: each other. If I'm valuable to you and I'm bringing
Speaker 1: you around and you know, I'm helping you, and our
Speaker 1: main focus is to help these young people be on
Speaker 1: the right track, and we on that same page, then
Speaker 1: we could do this together. So that's that's what we
Speaker 1: want to focus on. That's that's what our main focus is.
Speaker 1: You know, this is like our last episode, and we
Speaker 1: I want to have a we need to do a
Speaker 1: whole hour you just me and you just having this
Speaker 1: conversation So what I want to to tell us right
Speaker 1: this is about gun violence and all of the you know,
Speaker 1: the violence is going on our community. I want you
Speaker 1: to give us like a final word that you would
Speaker 1: say to these young kids this out here shooting, Like,
Speaker 1: what what do you tell them? You know, being a
Speaker 1: victim also being a shooter, just understanding both dynamics of
Speaker 1: what's going on, just seeing what's going on these streets
Speaker 1: right now? What would you say to them? Like you,
Speaker 1: if you had to say what you say right now,
Speaker 1: right now, I would tell that you that are pulling
Speaker 1: those triggers to know your history, man, to understand why
Speaker 1: you act in the way that you do, because the
Speaker 1: more you understand, the less likely you are to put
Speaker 1: up that trigger. And to know that this isn't because
Speaker 1: your animals, or that you will raise a certain way,
Speaker 1: and or that you have bad Pammington. Although some of
Speaker 1: that may play a part, but the main thing is
Speaker 1: that it's the social economic conditions that we're in that
Speaker 1: causes us to happen. And before black people started occupying
Speaker 1: these spaces, they will immigrant white people that would occupying
Speaker 1: these spaces, and they had the same exact problem that
Speaker 1: we have today. They had a violence, white on white violence,
Speaker 1: which wasn't stated white on white violence, but they had
Speaker 1: the same thing going on. And what happened the government
Speaker 1: came in, They gave them the gr loans, they helped
Speaker 1: subsidize they moved from the urban areas into the suburbs,
Speaker 1: and then had them um get homes, affordable homes which
Speaker 1: later increased in value. And that's what ceased that white
Speaker 1: on white violence. A lot of people don't know that
Speaker 1: for that's what we're fighting for. Samson. We appreciate you
Speaker 1: so much for coming on and we want to support you.
Speaker 1: Tell everybody again the name of your film and also
Speaker 1: where they can find it. Thank you. Um. The documentary
Speaker 1: is Killing Beef Gun Violence in the Black Community. You
Speaker 1: can see it on two B TV. You can see
Speaker 1: it on Amazon, you can see it on Apple TV,
Speaker 1: Xbox fan Dango. UM. Yeah, absolutely, thank you. We love you.
Speaker 1: Got work to do, man, we got work to do.
Speaker 1: I'm hit you later. Thank you. That's good stuff. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, there's much more that we could talk to
Speaker 1: Chief Banks about. And if I was a viewer, I
Speaker 1: would sit back and be like, Okay, that was great
Speaker 1: that we learned some things about his ideas on policy
Speaker 1: and strategy. We also learned, you know where he says,
Speaker 1: this is a big failure. What's happening always has But
Speaker 1: you know what I didn't get because he never actually
Speaker 1: told us the process stop asking fris right, stop questioning,
Speaker 1: questioning first. He didn't really he would. He's one of
Speaker 1: those guys. Okay, what is like, what is the process
Speaker 1: of it? Like? I don't think we did we act know,
Speaker 1: you asked him what did he think about stop questioning
Speaker 1: for he said, there's a process and that's what it's
Speaker 1: not being implemented right right now. Well, because it should
Speaker 1: be happening everywhere to anybody. That's the problem. The issue
Speaker 1: is that if you're gonna use stop questionings and frisk
Speaker 1: pop properly, it should mean that and I really mean this,
Speaker 1: and in the craziest right way. If we know that
Speaker 1: young men are not getting guns from any manufactorer that
Speaker 1: they are making, or you know, they don't have direct
Speaker 1: connections to be able to pull these guns into the community,
Speaker 1: it means they are coming from somewhere. And we know
Speaker 1: that oftentimes these weapons start out being traffic from places
Speaker 1: and they could in fact be in the homes, the
Speaker 1: basement the car trunks of people who don't look like us,
Speaker 1: people who are more affluent, people who have, you know,
Speaker 1: more access and relationships, so they got to be stopping.
Speaker 1: That means that you actually got to do work right, right.
Speaker 1: You gotta do investigations right. So the lazy cop says itself,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm not gonna I know this neighborhood
Speaker 1: right here, it should be some guns on in here.
Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna pull over everybody in this neighborhood
Speaker 1: because I know this is what crime happens. It's gonna
Speaker 1: pull over everybody's neighborhood and eventually I'll get probably five
Speaker 1: percent of them to have some guns and the other
Speaker 1: ninety five that who's the right side violated of not
Speaker 1: just suspicion because you look a certain way right, they
Speaker 1: should have to. It's just like when you get pulled over, right,
Speaker 1: you got a tail light is broke, you didn't make
Speaker 1: a right turn. You can't you're not spy to just
Speaker 1: pull somebody legally, you can just not pull somebody over
Speaker 1: because you you looked at them and didn't like the
Speaker 1: way they looked. Right. So those same steps should be
Speaker 1: implemented in the start question there has to be something
Speaker 1: that you've done wrong. But just walking down the block
Speaker 1: and you decide you want to search me because I
Speaker 1: look I look suspicious to you. It's not that's not
Speaker 1: anything that is a definite violation. But that argument that
Speaker 1: some would me right, is that it is profiling. I
Speaker 1: agree with you, and that some of their work is
Speaker 1: in fact profiling that if I know it's brown skin,
Speaker 1: slim frame, uh, you know, baseball cat um outside on
Speaker 1: this block around this time, maybe red jacket, we go
Speaker 1: out and we stop, question and frisk all the individuals
Speaker 1: who looked like that who fit that description. The problem
Speaker 1: is that description description of what I just said. That's
Speaker 1: because that reason why he's he's the description of it.
Speaker 1: Because the people from the building, the people from the
Speaker 1: community have reported no but let me let me just
Speaker 1: let me finish my point. The people from the community
Speaker 1: have reported that that's what the guy was wearing, or
Speaker 1: that's how he looked, or this is how Ray Ray
Speaker 1: usually show you know what he he has a red
Speaker 1: jacket or it's got a stripe or a thing. And
Speaker 1: then or the gang that he's a part of, they
Speaker 1: wear some type of red around their arms. They wear
Speaker 1: this or that, and that becomes a part of the profiling. Right.
Speaker 1: The problem is that my father, where's the same ship? Right,
Speaker 1: my brother wears the same ship, you wear the same
Speaker 1: ship a college because you know why, it comes from
Speaker 1: cultural things that we see on TV every day, the
Speaker 1: music we listen to, the artists. So you can't use
Speaker 1: that as a profiling mechanism because everybody's got tray Var
Speaker 1: Martin's hood over their heads, everybody in a little bit
Speaker 1: of rain. And so what I'm saying is, if stop
Speaker 1: question and Chris is gonna work properly, it has to
Speaker 1: be used in communities that may actually have the drugs
Speaker 1: bringing them into our communities. Right, the bags is getting
Speaker 1: the first of all, we know the ship is getting
Speaker 1: dropped off to us, and it's coming from Okay, maybe
Speaker 1: there's a different investigation that's the the Drug Force and
Speaker 1: the federal government that might be working on when it's
Speaker 1: coming off the ships. Because remember, somehow or another, they
Speaker 1: just stopped talking about Chase Bank and how they found
Speaker 1: tanks in the water. Um with those those big carts
Speaker 1: and what are those things, those those big old what
Speaker 1: are those things called those big cartons, the cartons with
Speaker 1: a bunch of drugs in it that was in the paper.
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened. The story just kind of
Speaker 1: went away, but there were drugs, lots and lots, like
Speaker 1: millions of dollars worth of drugs, right, So that we
Speaker 1: don't know what happened with that. But maybe there's a
Speaker 1: different force that deals with that. Maybe there's a different
Speaker 1: force that deals with the big the big, big guy
Speaker 1: who has the relationship between whatever country and America, who
Speaker 1: has the the the the you know, the drugs and
Speaker 1: all of that stuff. But when you start coming to
Speaker 1: who's picking it up from him or them and bringing
Speaker 1: it to meet the black guy or the brown guy,
Speaker 1: that's where where? What why up them with them getting
Speaker 1: arrested because they live right here. They might live in
Speaker 1: Queens in a nice little house, they might live in
Speaker 1: west Chester somewhere. But while we don't go stop, stop
Speaker 1: questioning frisk in those neighborhoods to try to find out
Speaker 1: if they're the ones that's got the real dope. I
Speaker 1: mean they do the work, they're not. No, it's not
Speaker 1: about not wanting to do the work. It's that those
Speaker 1: communities do not want chaos, conflict. They don't want to
Speaker 1: bother those people. Those people are considered to be they're
Speaker 1: they're not. It's easier they don't want to do work right.
Speaker 1: It's easier to just criminalize the stream hustler that has
Speaker 1: a few thousand dollars than to have to walk into
Speaker 1: the problem of dealing with the person who has the
Speaker 1: mill boss. They don't want to get the balls and
Speaker 1: or the bosses guy. And that for me, well, and
Speaker 1: and that's another side of it. So no nobody wants
Speaker 1: to talk about there, not even chief things. I mean,
Speaker 1: but that's the thing. In a longer conversation you could
Speaker 1: get to that. And that's why we did the sick
Speaker 1: episodes on gun violence the way that we have, and
Speaker 1: we need to do more because we want to break
Speaker 1: down some of the things that he was saying. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, in twenty minutes, you don't get an opportunity
Speaker 1: to really get into some things. One of the things
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask him about, and I didn't think
Speaker 1: about it until the interview was over, is the fact
Speaker 1: that while he was chief of department, Er Gander was killed,
Speaker 1: you know, and what is his perspective on that. There
Speaker 1: was some people who said it was a direct order
Speaker 1: from his office for people to go clean up the
Speaker 1: issue that was happening there, which was folks complaining about
Speaker 1: people selling cigarettes or CDs or whatever the hell was
Speaker 1: being supposedly allegedly sold in their well. Well, I guess
Speaker 1: there are a lot of questions, but I definitely like
Speaker 1: the Sampson's interview is you know, and I want to
Speaker 1: watch the Killing Beef. I want to definitely watch that
Speaker 1: because that's something that's when you sit down with somebody
Speaker 1: who shot you and then you guys come together and
Speaker 1: then start educating these young kids, Like that's that's powerful.
Speaker 1: Just understand it. The mindset that you have to have
Speaker 1: to just forgive somebody who shout you and sit down
Speaker 1: with that person. You know, a lot of these kids
Speaker 1: don't understand that. That's why beef continues to just continue
Speaker 1: to spread through our community. So I think that's something
Speaker 1: real impactful and powerful and needed at this time, and
Speaker 1: it's part of my boycott Black Murder campaign that we started.
Speaker 1: So I definitely appreciate his interview. Is that. One thing
Speaker 1: I do know is that Sampson, I agree with Chief
Speaker 1: Banks about this one thing that you got to bring
Speaker 1: the two entities together because I think when you have
Speaker 1: somebody like a chief banks and someone like Samson sitting
Speaker 1: down working together every single day, where Samson is getting
Speaker 1: a paycheck like a salary to sit down, show up
Speaker 1: and talk about the mindset that goes on. Because first
Speaker 1: of all, Samson robbed somebody, so you can't you can't
Speaker 1: skip past that he caused what became the response, And
Speaker 1: once again, I tell you it's about probably you know,
Speaker 1: poverty is violence in our communities. People robbed because they
Speaker 1: wouldn't have money things that come. You know, they lack resources,
Speaker 1: they lack finances, so that caused somebody to get shot.
Speaker 1: You know. So once again, man dope episode. Both of
Speaker 1: them have different perspectives that you know, I appreciate it,
Speaker 1: and you know, I hope our viewers appreciate and understand
Speaker 1: as we continue to just try to give content that
Speaker 1: is relevant and needed, you know. So, and that brings
Speaker 1: me to a little more off topic. Um to my
Speaker 1: I don't get it. And it's kind of kind of controversial,
Speaker 1: you know, talking about there's always controversial, you know, but
Speaker 1: we've been talking about this is the baby situation. You know,
Speaker 1: baby d a baby and my mom says it little
Speaker 1: or it's done. It's done, and there's so so many
Speaker 1: different perspects that I've seen about what's needed. I've been thinking, right,
Speaker 1: and I've been thinking about his statements, you know, me
Speaker 1: and you had discussions about it, about his statements and
Speaker 1: how he went about it, and just just overall and
Speaker 1: just hip hop. You know what hip hop has foulded on,
Speaker 1: you know, the whole expression of hip hop and how
Speaker 1: it plays into this situation. And you know, of course,
Speaker 1: we don't want anybody to be harmed or disrespected or
Speaker 1: feel violated, you know, but when we look at what
Speaker 1: the core of hip hop is, the core of hip
Speaker 1: hop is about different expressions, and some of them are
Speaker 1: very vulgar, some of them are very violent. Some of
Speaker 1: the hip hop lyrics lead two actual murder, you know,
Speaker 1: some of them about actual murder, some of them about
Speaker 1: actual crimes. You know, some of them misogynistic at its court,
Speaker 1: Like you know, the whole culture of it, it's so
Speaker 1: entangled in a lot of things that are violent and negative,
Speaker 1: and there's no responsibility from any of these entities and
Speaker 1: businesses that decided that they don't want to support you know,
Speaker 1: when you when you read the statements that they may
Speaker 1: you know, you know, we want to be on a
Speaker 1: humanitarian you know, these are things and I don't get
Speaker 1: how entities who supported the annihilation, you know, who have cultivated,
Speaker 1: who actually incentivize, you know, negativity and violence and all
Speaker 1: those things within our communities, you know, now take a
Speaker 1: moral stand and decide that this right here is something
Speaker 1: that we can't support, which you can support that m hm.
Speaker 1: I mean I think it's a contradiction. It's it's always
Speaker 1: hit critical. But I still as you've said and not
Speaker 1: and and we've we've had this conversation several times on
Speaker 1: camera off camera. It's been a debate among all of
Speaker 1: us and a lot of people within the industry, people
Speaker 1: who come from different perspectives. I think it speaks to yes,
Speaker 1: there's always a need to challenge industry because industry can
Speaker 1: absolutely be exploitative, if you will right. I don't know
Speaker 1: if that's the right way to say it, but you
Speaker 1: get my point, um. But I think it's more so
Speaker 1: of us challenging ourselves. We need to ask ourselves as
Speaker 1: a people, why is it that we are so undervalue?
Speaker 1: And what can we now do to ensure that? Because
Speaker 1: I think there are some guys out here who didn't
Speaker 1: even want to rap about negativity, but they found out
Speaker 1: that it was the only way that they were going
Speaker 1: to be able to get a record deal. Because us,
Speaker 1: they're not pushing common and my son and others like
Speaker 1: you in the ways in which they could and should, right,
Speaker 1: So I think we should find a way to ensure
Speaker 1: that the standard is changed, and that the same way
Speaker 1: another community. Whether you agree or not, there are people
Speaker 1: who say, well, I don't think the baby said anything
Speaker 1: that's that bad. I personally feel what he said was unnecessary,
Speaker 1: and I think he was insensitive at at best, unnecessary
Speaker 1: and insensitive. But I think it wasn't so much what
Speaker 1: he said. It was what he did afterwards that created
Speaker 1: even more of a colossal problem, right, And I think
Speaker 1: he probably at this point has learned, But I'm not
Speaker 1: so concerned. I don't want to spend my time. Actually,
Speaker 1: I think what he's learned is that you you don't
Speaker 1: certain things you don't have, you can't have your own
Speaker 1: opinion publicly. I don't think. I don't think, and that's
Speaker 1: just being honest. I don't think he didn't agree with
Speaker 1: what he said. I don't think what he was the
Speaker 1: statement he wrote came from a place of you know what,
Speaker 1: maybe right. I don't think that at all. I think
Speaker 1: he was forced into realizing that you're not as big
Speaker 1: as you think you are. Right, you you've got twenty
Speaker 1: million followers, you make all this money, but you can't
Speaker 1: even if you think that, you can't say that. And
Speaker 1: I think that's what we want from That's what I
Speaker 1: know I want from police. I wanted from elected officials.
Speaker 1: I know that changing people's racist views or harmful views
Speaker 1: or whatever about our communities is probably never gonna happen,
Speaker 1: and I don't have time for that. But what I
Speaker 1: do want is for our communities to have standards that's
Speaker 1: set and ways in which we go about letting it
Speaker 1: be known that if you cross this line, we will
Speaker 1: take everything that you have. That's why ending qualified and
Speaker 1: unity is important to me, because that says now I
Speaker 1: can hold you personally be responsible. So it's not that
Speaker 1: my tax dollars are constantly going to be recycled into
Speaker 1: a system and a pot that pays people that get abused.
Speaker 1: I want you to have to pay right. And I
Speaker 1: think that that's that's what you know. To your point,
Speaker 1: we've learned that whether or not you agree with his
Speaker 1: statement or feel it was this hard or that hard
Speaker 1: or whatever. You you can stand wherever you want to stand.
Speaker 1: But the one thing you know is that certain communities
Speaker 1: demand that you respect their issues. And you're gonna learn today.
Speaker 1: And I want black people to have the same exact power.
Speaker 1: And that's why. And it doesn't mean that we could
Speaker 1: say well because I think you know, I love versus
Speaker 1: between the Locks and Dip set, but I know I
Speaker 1: heard a lot of misogyny and a lot of violence.
Speaker 1: And I know that even in the show and the
Speaker 1: and and what I saw going on when you were
Speaker 1: standing right there, and y'all enjoyed it, because this is
Speaker 1: an error that we come from. But I saw the
Speaker 1: incidents brewing on the stage that had to be mitigated
Speaker 1: by people because the type of music that they were
Speaker 1: listening to, it brings about a certain level of frustration
Speaker 1: and you know all of that energy heighten energy is
Speaker 1: a better word rather than just even saying frustration. The
Speaker 1: frustration was the one that wasn't winning. But it's the sport,
Speaker 1: you understand, I'm saying. It's just like when you when
Speaker 1: you put when you put Lebron James against Um they're
Speaker 1: gonna's gonna be physics, gonna be elbows, and at the
Speaker 1: end of the game, you hug like they did. And
Speaker 1: that's what hip hop is has always been. I think
Speaker 1: what I think what we should be doing, And this
Speaker 1: is just like a lesson, right. I think there is
Speaker 1: a direct anger bye by heterosexual black men. Right, there's
Speaker 1: an anger, and there's a belief that another lifestyle is
Speaker 1: being amplified more than the heterosexual BA man. That's that's
Speaker 1: just a belief, right, And I think what we need
Speaker 1: to start doing, as heterosexual black man, who may you
Speaker 1: that not talk about negative about somebody else, right, the
Speaker 1: same way somebody is amplifying the same way little Nuns
Speaker 1: is able to go up there and and advocate for
Speaker 1: his lifestyle and how he believes go up then advocate
Speaker 1: for yours. You don't have to say negative things about
Speaker 1: little Nasa, right, You don't have to. You don't have
Speaker 1: to say oh this and that about No, don't do
Speaker 1: that make your lifestyle prevalent to you. It promoted the
Speaker 1: same way that everybody else promotion behind people that people
Speaker 1: the minute moved the way you want to. You don't
Speaker 1: have to talk about somebody that's not doing all. I mean,
Speaker 1: I love seeing all of y'all show up for nineteen Keys.
Speaker 1: You know, I was out of town. I couldn't be there,
Speaker 1: but I love seeing y'all show up. This is a
Speaker 1: man's man, and I saw other men's men standing next
Speaker 1: to him. You Jim Jones and others who were there.
Speaker 1: What's my brother's name, the the artist who's in the
Speaker 1: Nation of Islam, Donnie, that's my man. Like I saw
Speaker 1: y'all there supporting him and being there to make sure
Speaker 1: that he knew that. You know, he is a king,
Speaker 1: is respected in the community, and that and and and
Speaker 1: and all of y'all that posted about it gave him
Speaker 1: more people to have access to him, and certainly I
Speaker 1: want to support him. Same thing with Jay Morrison. You
Speaker 1: know he's out here during the corner classes. We want
Speaker 1: to support that and uplifted. I don't think that we
Speaker 1: need to because, by the way, the problem is that
Speaker 1: we're not I don't believe that we're going to win
Speaker 1: a battle of oppression Olympics trying to decide whose oppression
Speaker 1: is worse or more or whatever. You know, there was
Speaker 1: a whole controversy that happened around me saying that sexism
Speaker 1: is worse than racism in the context of an interview
Speaker 1: where if you watch the interview, people who actually watched
Speaker 1: the full interview, they were like, Okay, I see what
Speaker 1: you were saying. We were talking about Kamala Harris and
Speaker 1: whether or not she can become president in four years,
Speaker 1: and I said, I don't know. It's gonna be based
Speaker 1: upon her work, is gonna be based upon changes that
Speaker 1: are made, and whether or not we can go out
Speaker 1: and campaign for her because they actually did something for
Speaker 1: our communities. I said, but I can tell you right now,
Speaker 1: she black, which is one problem, but the fact that
Speaker 1: she's a woman sexism can be worse than racism. In
Speaker 1: other words, to say you black, and now you add
Speaker 1: on top of that the fact that you were a woman,
Speaker 1: you're really in trouble because, as we know, America will
Speaker 1: take a black man over a highly qualified woman who
Speaker 1: was running against a lunatic. She was qualified. I didn't
Speaker 1: like her, but I'm just saying, you know, she was
Speaker 1: more qualified than Donald Trump, and they all elect a
Speaker 1: black man any man. So that was the point. It
Speaker 1: wasn't to diminish our struggle as black people in this country.
Speaker 1: Of course, we know that racism is is you know,
Speaker 1: um racism has been every single day. It is the thing,
Speaker 1: and white supremacy is the thing that's killing our people,
Speaker 1: killing our communities. We know that what I'm saying at
Speaker 1: there is like double whammy's. You know, you could be
Speaker 1: a man or a woman, but you could also be
Speaker 1: a black woman. I mean, we just gotta do better,
Speaker 1: you know, our communities. That's another thing, you know, we
Speaker 1: gotta we have to figure out how to organize and
Speaker 1: if things we don't like, things we do like, advocate
Speaker 1: for them and advocate against you know, to make sure
Speaker 1: that you're respected and you get you know that our
Speaker 1: community is taken seriously. We have to we have to
Speaker 1: treat ourselves the way that we want to be treated.
Speaker 1: We have to show people that we deserve to be
Speaker 1: treated in a certain way. So, you know, I hope
Speaker 1: this is a lesson for artists. You know, understand that
Speaker 1: this is their industry. You know, this is it's not
Speaker 1: your build. Your build your own and be able to
Speaker 1: do that. Not saying that it gives credence to you
Speaker 1: disrespecting or violating, but not saying that. I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to say, if you if you want to have a
Speaker 1: platform to what you get to say and do whatever
Speaker 1: you want, then you got to build your own So yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's and that's that on that man hopefully we
Speaker 1: learned a lot, you know it this dope episode. UM informative, informative, informative.
Speaker 1: Shout out to the locks, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Dip said, shout up to Dip said, but Jada kisses down.
Speaker 1: He moved up from five to three top three Dead
Speaker 1: are alive for me right now. So you know, he
Speaker 1: didn't a great job go to go to the energy
Speaker 1: was dope. You know, we didn't talk about on the stage.
Speaker 1: He was an MC. I told people he was a
Speaker 1: master of ceremony. He completely controlled every aspect of that
Speaker 1: stage last night. Man and and I was talking to
Speaker 1: him for days about it, and before that he was
Speaker 1: just like, I'm not saying nothing, mice, I'm not talking
Speaker 1: like you know. They was amplifying it up. And he
Speaker 1: never came on social media and said one word. And
Speaker 1: I remember me and Mano was in the audience and
Speaker 1: we're sitting there and they called everybody in the stage,
Speaker 1: so we sitting were standing right next to the stage.
Speaker 1: So Mano looks at me and was like, you like,
Speaker 1: Mike's looking kids, He's saying the world he's folks. Everybody
Speaker 1: was running around. He just sitting up there, standing there.
Speaker 1: He said, Yo, he's focused. I said, yeah, man, he's serious.
Speaker 1: So you know, shout out to him. Dope, dope, dope. Versus.
Speaker 1: I want to see fifty Verse game. That's the verses
Speaker 1: I want to see. I want to see Verse game.
Speaker 1: I want to see Nicky versus Kim like it's it's
Speaker 1: I want that. Nick versus Kim doesn't work at all.
Speaker 1: It just doesn't because they're in two different age groups.
Speaker 1: And then and the whole point of versus is supposed
Speaker 1: to be two people that were in the same time
Speaker 1: frame that had music running at the same That's not
Speaker 1: really true because the Locks Locks Dip set came years
Speaker 1: after the Lot. They didn't have music that was basically
Speaker 1: going at the same time. Like the artists individually. Know
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to tell you. The Locks just trance.
Speaker 1: They they've been around way longer than everybody. It's still
Speaker 1: nik Nikki and Kim don't go together. It's just the
Speaker 1: wrong time frame. I don't know who Kim goes with.
Speaker 1: And By the way, there's some people that can't be
Speaker 1: verse versus. They just can't can't do it. They just can't.
Speaker 1: I don't know who and Kim's time. Really, Kim would
Speaker 1: be Foxy Brown, it would have to be. And that
Speaker 1: wouldn't be good because I don't think I mean, I
Speaker 1: love I think Foxy has some good music. But she
Speaker 1: don't got enough music. She got up against Kim. She
Speaker 1: got great. Maybe she does. You forget I got people's
Speaker 1: music by the like, oh I forgot that, but Kim,
Speaker 1: Kim got some she does. Shout out to Kim. I
Speaker 1: love Kim. That's my sister. But um yeah, So another
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