1 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: Hey, welcome back to the podcast. Thanks for being here. 2 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: I'd love this as an honor. It has been for 3 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: so long to do these episodes and to walk through 4 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: these questions and to handle life and to deal with 5 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 1: life alongside you, the listener, So thank you. I'd love 6 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: hearing feedback, especially when I meet you out on the 7 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: road somewhere, or at an event that I'm speaking at, 8 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: or even someplace I just see you in public. I 9 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: love people coming up and saying, hey, I listen to 10 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: your podcast. It's interesting to me because most of my 11 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 1: life people have said, hey, I'm a fan of your music. 12 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: I know you from your music, And now the last 13 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: five years or so, I hear more and more people 14 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: say I know you from your podcast, or I'm a 15 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: fan of your podcast. 16 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 2: I'll see people on the airport and. 17 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: They say, hey, I'm a fan of and I'm thinking 18 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: music and they say, your podcast. 19 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 2: That's so cool. It's so cool to me. 20 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: Not that it's not cool to hear the music thing, 21 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: but it's different, you know, and this podcast is meaningful 22 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: to me. 23 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 2: It matters to me. 24 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: So it's interesting to think that there are people out 25 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: there that don't even know that I had a music 26 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: career at all. 27 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 2: They just know me from the podcast. 28 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 1: That's really cool. You guys have been through so much 29 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 1: life with me and we've all evolved together. I should say, 30 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: as we walk through these questions with the biblical worldview, 31 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: the email so that we could walk through these questions 32 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: if you want to email me email podcast at grangersmith 33 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: dot com and we'll walk through that like we're sitting 34 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 1: in a truck, like we're driving in a cab of 35 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: a truck. And you say, hey, grangereg I got a 36 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: question for you. Could we walk through this together? And 37 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: I say yes, as if we're just old friends and 38 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: the question could be about anything. Once again, podcast at 39 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: grangersmith dot com. Something interesting happened last week. I had 40 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: my pastor Marshall with me. If Marshall has been a 41 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: guest on here many times, but we were dealing with 42 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: a topic I believe the topic was last week it 43 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: was how to handle multiple services in a church or 44 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: how to think about multiple identical services in a church. 45 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: And I said in that video, hey, comment below if 46 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: you're watching on YouTube, or if you're listening on another platform, 47 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: like you may be doing right now at the end 48 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: of this video or at the end of this podcast, 49 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 1: go to YouTube and comment on the YouTube version of 50 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 1: this episode. If you want us to dig deeper on something, 51 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: if you have another question within the question, comment that 52 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: on the YouTube version, and that it's fascinating because there 53 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: were a lot of people that came in there and 54 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: had questions, and of all the episodes we've done, that's 55 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: the first time I've really thought of it in that 56 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 1: way that we could go to YouTube and on some 57 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: of these videos we could dig deeper and come back. 58 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: And I texted Marshall and I said, hey, you might 59 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: have to come back and we might have to do this, 60 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 1: do more of that topic because there were a lot 61 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: of people that had more further questions of it. And 62 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: he was like, yeah, sounds good, let's do it. So 63 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,399 Speaker 1: I think we'll probably schedule Marshall to come back in 64 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,959 Speaker 1: and I'll just sit here with that YouTube video and 65 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: go down the comments and see what you guys said. 66 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: And a lot of times it's like, hey, I agree, 67 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: great podcasts, and sometimes it's like, hey, I wholeheartedly disagree completely. 68 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: I disagree with everything you said, and we could talk 69 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: about that. That's fair, you should have an opinion. And 70 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: then there are other people that said things like, I 71 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: agree to an extent, but here's a caveat in what 72 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: you're saying. It only goes so far, but you forgot 73 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: to say this stranger cool. So we could take that 74 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: and we could dive into that too. I think that's 75 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: I think that would be helpful, encouraging for all of us. 76 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: And I say that in a way too to also say, 77 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: let's do that with this video as well. Those of 78 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: you that know me know that I'm I don't typically 79 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: prepare for these. I sit down with your questions as 80 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: you email them, and if there's anything I say that 81 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: you want me to double down on or you want 82 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: to hear me. You disagree with it and you want 83 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: to hear me, have a rebuttal to your disagreement. Comment 84 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: on the YouTube version of this episode granger Smith on 85 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 1: YouTube and go find this episode. It should be the 86 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: latest one and comment and I'll go through like I 87 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: did this last one like five minutes ago. I was 88 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: just looking at this and I was like, oh, this 89 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: is cool. Okay, that might be something we can start doing. 90 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: So that brings me to this first question once Again 91 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: podcast at grangersmith dot com. This one comes from Chad, 92 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: and Chad says, my wife and I made the trip 93 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: to Georgetown from Ardmore, Oklahoma a few weeks ago, and 94 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 1: we were able to attend a Mayis church and the 95 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: service and introduce ourselves. 96 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:54,799 Speaker 2: To Marshall on the way out. 97 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: It was encouraging to worship and hear God's word being 98 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 1: preached with your local church. That's so cool. I'd love 99 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: to hear that. And this has happened several times that 100 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: people have come to a Mais church in Georgetown, my 101 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 1: church and come from the podcast. 102 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 2: So if you are one of those people, not a lot. 103 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 2: Every once in a while, every a on a on 104 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 2: a random. 105 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: Sunday, there will be a couple or one person that say, hey, 106 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: okay because I heard I heard you mentioned this on 107 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm always there, so if you want to come, 108 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: say hey, do that. The rest of this email from Chad, 109 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: it looks like they It's a long email, so I 110 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: don't want to read it all, but it looks like 111 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: they were members of a church, they were in Oklahoma 112 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 1: for a long time, and then the wife it looks 113 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: like okay, okay, so they they purchased a home in 114 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: Oklahoma and they kind of you know they built their 115 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: nest there, and then here's what he says. This last April, 116 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 1: my wife was offered offered an opportunity to relocate with 117 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: her current employer back to Kentucky, where she's from, and 118 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: we felt ready to be close to family again. We 119 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 1: made a plan to list our place for sale over 120 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: Memorial Day weekend, and on the evening of April the 121 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 1: twenty eighth, I got called into haul fuel to a 122 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: rig and my wife didn't want me to go because 123 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: it was bad weather, and I went and tried to 124 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 1: reassure her it would be fine. A couple hours later, 125 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: there were multiple tornadoes on the ground. One was heading 126 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: towards our property. My wife and neighbor were able to 127 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: get into a safe room. Our place took a direct hit, 128 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: flooding our house and destroying most of our property. Through 129 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: this tragedy, we've had so much support. A neighbor invited 130 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: us to their church. It's the church we'd been looking 131 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 1: for all along. This is in Oklahoma, and we've attended 132 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: regularly since May. I'm feeling convicted to tithe going forward 133 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: and possibly for the past five months. Hey, we don't 134 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: feel comfortable going to a church while waiting for insurance 135 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 1: to settle so we could relocate. Godly counsel for this 136 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: situation would be much appreciated. Thanks, Ched, I think I 137 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: understand what's going on, Chad. 138 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 2: So you are. 139 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: You guys found a place, You found this home in Oklahoma, 140 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: you finally settled in there, and then your wife gets 141 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: a job offer, and you guys all decide that's the 142 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: best thing for the families to relocate to Kentucky. And 143 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: then you decide that, and then a tornado hits the 144 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: place in Oklahoma, and so then you're like, well, now 145 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: the insurance has got to deal with this before we 146 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: could actually sell it. And it was even listed it 147 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: as a tornado hit, it sounds like, and so you 148 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: got everything's kind of on hold, and in the meanwhile, 149 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: you find this good church you're attending. So that's an 150 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: interesting question. It's an interesting situation, and it's a good 151 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: thing to be thinking through and praying through. And you're 152 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: specifically asking about tithing. If you're convicted to be tithing anywhere, 153 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: I think that should say something you should listen to 154 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: that conviction and not just a church. Of course, I 155 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:04,559 Speaker 1: believe you should be given to your church. But because 156 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: you're in this transition period, you're wondering what to be doing, 157 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: and you could be convicted also on a for a ministry. 158 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: You could meet someone that runs a ministry and you 159 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: really believe in that ministry, and you could feel convicted 160 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: to gift to that ministry. Amber and I will go 161 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: through this. You know, Amber will come home and she'll go, Hey, 162 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: I met this woman and she runs this. 163 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 2: Thing, and I think we should give to them. 164 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: And I'll say, okay, I'll trust your conviction on that, 165 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: and then vice versa if it happens to me and 166 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: I tell Amber, and we never disagree. It's always like, hey, 167 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 1: if you're feeling convicted, let's do this. And I think 168 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: that's what you're saying. You're feeling convicted to tie to 169 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: this specific church, So there's nothing wrong with that and 170 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: you should listen to that. But here's the deal. You 171 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 1: don't feel comfortable joining the church while waiting for the 172 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 1: insurance to fix the property, so you could just sell 173 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:58,839 Speaker 1: it and then move away. And I agree with that, 174 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: and that doesn't mean you shouldn't attend. I think there's 175 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: there would be nothing wrong, and in fact, you would 176 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: be encouraged to attend. This good church with your friends 177 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: and tell the leadership of the church exactly. 178 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 2: What's going on. 179 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:15,199 Speaker 1: It's like, Hey, my name is Chad and this is 180 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 1: my wife and and we we love your church. We're 181 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: actually moving to Kentucky. We thought we were going to 182 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: move be moving sooner, but you know, this tornado and 183 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: took out our property and so we're dealing with insurance 184 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: and the rebuildings. Think good as no one was hurt, 185 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 1: but we're going to re We're going to fix things, 186 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: get it back into shape so we could sell it. 187 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: In the meantime, we're going to be here. We don't 188 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: feel like we should be members here because we'll be moving, 189 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: but but we want to be sitting under the wise 190 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: teaching why we can. And I think that would be 191 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: encouraging to the pastor. I think it would be appropriate 192 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: to tell them that and they can kind of wrap 193 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 1: their arms around you, help walk you through this transition. 194 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: That's what they're there for. That's what a pastor would do. 195 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: Is it's you know, a pastor is a shepherd in 196 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: your sheep, and you would be waiting your a sheep 197 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:08,559 Speaker 1: in transition going to another pastor and another another group 198 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,599 Speaker 1: of sheep right, So this this shepherd is handing you 199 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: off to the other other shepherd in the meanwhile, he's 200 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:15,559 Speaker 1: gonna love you and take care of you while you're 201 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: in his pasture. Okay, I think that's pretty straightforward. But 202 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: what I would be doing to avoid that sounds like 203 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: a difficult situation. 204 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 2: You've been in. 205 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: Outside of a church, looking for a church, trying to 206 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: find the right church. I want to make sure that everything, 207 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: in everything I've said, you're appropriately investing time in Kentucky 208 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: so that you're not just gonna this house gets fixed, 209 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: you sell it, you move, you get to Kentucky, you 210 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: settle in, you go. Okay, now that I'm here, let's 211 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: find a church, let's. 212 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 2: Get plugged in. Right, don't wait that long. 213 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: I know a lot of people, a lot of faithful 214 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: brothers that have moved, and before they even found the 215 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: place that they moved into, they made sure that the 216 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 1: church they wanted to join was in the neighborhood, so 217 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,839 Speaker 1: they they base their move around the church instead of 218 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: the church around the move. And that's not often talked 219 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: about or thought about, but most people they go and 220 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:28,959 Speaker 1: they say they're going to go, dear brother, mine, dear friend, 221 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: he was actually an elder and at amaeis he moves 222 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: to Seattle just this year and because of work, he 223 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: had to go to Seattle and relocate. And Seattle's a 224 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 1: big place, you know, there's lots of suburbs, there's lots 225 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: of towns around it, there's ways for him to commute. 226 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: So they didn't as a family, they didn't look at 227 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: the map and go, Okay, where is the place where 228 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,959 Speaker 1: our dream home is. What's the neighborhood that we want 229 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: to live in that has the biggest yards so we 230 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: could throw the football in the backyard. What's the neighborhood 231 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: where I could park my bass boat in the driveway, 232 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: you know, what has room for me to back out. 233 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: They didn't think about that in that way. They thought 234 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: about it in terms of where is the church, the 235 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: healthy church that we know of through our network of 236 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: people that know good churches. Where are the churches that 237 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: we would attend and then we could actually become members 238 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: and serve. Where are those churches? And I think they 239 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: found two of them, and that one was here on 240 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: the map and one was here on the map. And 241 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 1: so from that they go, he's going there because he 242 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 1: has a job, so he's also just going to build 243 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: the relationship with his work. But he's going there and 244 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: he's going to these churches and he's talking to the 245 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: pastors there. Here's my situation, here's my name, here's my family. 246 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: We're moving from Texas. We're going to come here, and 247 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 1: we want to know more about what you're doing here 248 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: in this church. I mean that there's a lot more 249 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:59,959 Speaker 1: to it, but that's the main part of the converse 250 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: is we want to see what this is like here. 251 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 2: And so they prayed through it. 252 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:11,079 Speaker 1: He brought his wife, They met with a lot of 253 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: wise counsel, prayed through it, talked through it, spent many 254 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: times visiting these churches. They decided on the church. Finally 255 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: they decided which one out of the two that they 256 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: would they would like, and then from there they build 257 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: the radius around that of where they would be willing 258 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 1: to drive that that was in appropriate distance to work 259 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: in church and kind of meet in the middle. What's 260 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: what's in between my work and my church. Let's pick 261 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: a house in that area. And that's kind of crazy, 262 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: that's totally practical, but in a way, people don't do 263 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: it that way. And that's what Chad, that's what I'm 264 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: warning you of don't move to Kentucky and go, Okay, 265 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: now that we're here, where's. 266 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 2: A good church? 267 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,959 Speaker 1: Do it the opposite right now, be finding the good church. 268 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 1: Be traveling there right now. It's the spiritual leader of 269 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: your household. Go to Kentucky right now during this transition 270 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: period and use utilize the church you're currently attending, and 271 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 1: use the leadership there and say, I'm moving to Kentucky. 272 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:12,959 Speaker 1: Help me, help me find a good, healthy church for 273 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: my family. This is critical for my family, and we 274 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: need to find a good church that feeds us spiritually. 275 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: And and then go there and find that church and 276 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: interview the church. 277 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 2: Essentially, that's that's the word. You want to interview them. 278 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: And then you're going to and then build your radis 279 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: and then look for homes around that church. And obviously 280 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: and that are that's still a driving a decent driving 281 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: distance for your wife to go to work. 282 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 2: Do it that way. Don't wait. 283 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: This is this is the most important thing that your 284 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: email didn't say. Think about that. Think about tomorrow's church, 285 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: and then as you're convicted tithe today's church, go and 286 00:14:56,320 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: attend today's church. Involve yourself in today's church. You don't 287 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: have to be a member there. You don't have to join. 288 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: You're going to be joining in Kentucky. But right now, 289 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: during this transition period, it might be a while. It 290 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: might be six months, might be eight month, it might 291 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: be the year until this house gets fixed from the tornado. 292 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 2: Be thinking about Kentucky right now. 293 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: That was a long I'm sorry that was a long 294 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: way through that answer, but I think it's important. Next 295 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: question comes from Tommy says, good morning, Grader. My name 296 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: is Tommy. I'm twenty three years old. I live in 297 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: Kansas City with my girlfriend. Later this month, I plan 298 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: on asking her to marry me. She is an overnight 299 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 1: nurse at a nearby hospital. I drive a box truck 300 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: and deliver snacks to nearby grocery stores and gas stations. 301 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: Last week in your podcast, you weren't necessarily a fan 302 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: of a church with multiple services. You made some very 303 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: valuable points. My issue is that we've been struggling to 304 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: find a church that fits both of us with our 305 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: work schedules, and both of us often work Sunday. Do 306 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: you have any suggestions that can help out? Thanks stranger, Tommy. 307 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: All right, Tommy, thank you brother. This is I mentioned 308 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: that on that YouTube channel. There were a lot of questions. 309 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: Probably the biggest complaint or disagreement I had with Marshall 310 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: and I discouraging churches with multiple identical services. Probably the 311 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: biggest thing that I heard was, well, I work on 312 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: Sundays and so I need to find a church that 313 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: has a schedule that meets mine. And that's kind of 314 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: what this question is. So I'm want to dive into 315 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: this with Tommy, and I'm going to tackle this as if, 316 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: like all these questions, as if we're driving down the 317 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: road you asked me a question, we're in the truck together, 318 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: I say, Man, this was me. 319 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 2: Here's what I. 320 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: Would say because specifically with this question, Tommy, I've been 321 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: in your shoes. I've lived this, and so I can 322 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: tell you, looking back in hindsight, maybe what I did 323 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: wrong and maybe what I did right. So that's how 324 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:15,439 Speaker 1: we'll approach this first question. First question I have for 325 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 1: I would have for you is you say I live 326 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: in Kansas City with my girlfriend, and then you say 327 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: later this month, I plan on asking her to marry me. 328 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: So there's there's a couple of things that might be. 329 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 2: Out of order here. 330 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: I'm assuming you're saying you're living with or like same house, 331 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: living with their same apartment. That's not a good way 332 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:43,400 Speaker 1: to start this this journey. It would be it would 333 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: be going going against the Council of the Bible, if 334 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 1: that's that's the way this was. So if that was 335 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: the case, I would say, let's move out right now, 336 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: let's let's separate right now. You're not you're not married, 337 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: so let's not pretend like you're married. This isn't she's 338 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 1: not your wife, So it's not pretend like she's your 339 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:05,959 Speaker 1: wife until she is. And one of the implications, one 340 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: of the smaller implications of that is it's going to 341 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: be so much more special when you do marry or 342 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:12,479 Speaker 1: and you move in together for the first time as 343 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 1: a married couple. It's going to be much more special. 344 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 1: That's a small implication of a bigger problem that I'm 345 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,719 Speaker 1: seeing right here, of how the Bible would speak about 346 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 1: this specifically sexual sin. We have to eradicate that from 347 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: our lives, right And so I would not encourage you 348 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: to be living with your girlfriend in the same place, 349 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: in the same apartment, same house in Kansas City. 350 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:40,360 Speaker 2: I wouldn't. 351 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: That would be horrible, That would not be loving to me. 352 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: If I said that was cool, man, let's move on. 353 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: Then you say, later this month, I plan on asking 354 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 1: her to marry me. 355 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:51,479 Speaker 2: Let's do that. 356 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: Let's Tommy, Let's make sure that happens next month. We 357 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: can't put that off because if something happens or tornado 358 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: hits the forum, like the last question, let's make sure 359 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 1: this happens. Okay, And and then when you're engaged with 360 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: your fiance, that's the time then to start talking about 361 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 1: what works for your church that you want to start 362 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: together as a married couple. And Lord William raise some 363 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 1: babies in Okay, So you see the order of events here. 364 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,400 Speaker 1: You wouldn't want to be with your girlfriend talking about 365 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 1: the church in a way that we need to pick 366 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: this now. It's not that it's unhealthy to talk to 367 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: your girlfriend about a church. You want to because you 368 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: want to know that she's on the same page. But 369 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: you guys are planning like you're married and you're not yet. 370 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: So there's the nuance. Let's make sure that's taken care of. 371 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: And then let's dive into the real question. If you've 372 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: already dealt with everything I just said, let's move on 373 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 1: from that. And you see My issue with that, with 374 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: the multiple services in a church, as we've been struggling 375 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: to find the right church that fits both of us, 376 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 1: that we'll work with both of our schedules, with both 377 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: of us often working Sundays. 378 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 2: So it's a little bit. 379 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: Similar to the last question where I was saying, don't 380 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: move to Kentucky and then find the church instead, Let's 381 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: make church the priority. What if what if we lived 382 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: a life Christians that actually says in the way that 383 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: we live, not what we say, not what we post 384 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: on Instagram, But what if we lived a life that 385 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: reflected this idea that gathering with other Saints, other Christians, 386 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: other believers was very important to us. And what if 387 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: we lived a life in such a way that career, jobs, 388 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 1: finding homes, findings for our kids revolved around this idea 389 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: that we're making a priority above all of that for 390 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: a good, healthy church to sit under healthy, good biblical 391 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: teaching from a good pastor, and a good church surrounded 392 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 1: by other covenanting members of that church surrounding us. What 393 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: if we looked at it and lived a life that 394 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: said career comes second to that where we live, in 395 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: what neighborhood we live comes second. 396 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 2: To that where my kids go to school. 397 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 1: Comes second to that, second to being in that healthy 398 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: church and showing up and giving glory to God through worship, 399 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 1: through prayer, through wise teaching, which is the most important part. 400 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: Is the preaching of the Word is the most important 401 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 1: part of church. I don't know if y'all know that, 402 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: if I don't know if I've said that, or if 403 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: you maybe don't know that, But the preaching of the Word, 404 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: the text, whatever text that the pastor is working through 405 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: that day, and if he's not working through a specific text, 406 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: that's a huge problem. But that is the most important 407 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:16,640 Speaker 1: part of the church service is the preaching. That's why 408 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: in the Reformation they moved the pulpit from the side 409 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 1: to the middle. It didn't have anything to do with 410 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: the preacher. That had everything to do with the word. 411 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: The preaching of the Word, the inspired word is it 412 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,919 Speaker 1: goes out into the converce congregation, is the most important 413 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: part of the service. Knowing that the Word of God 414 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: cuts sharper than any two edged sword, piercing to the 415 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: division of soul and of spirit, and discerning the thoughts 416 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: and intentions of the heart. The Word does that as 417 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: it goes out and it does not return empty. So 418 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 1: knowing that the word is going out through the mouth 419 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: of the preacher through inspired scripture, that the preacher is 420 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 1: reading that he has prepared and will apply that into 421 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 1: your lives for these next six days until he sees 422 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,959 Speaker 1: you again. That is the most important thing. That is 423 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:06,479 Speaker 1: more important than the box truck that you drive, are 424 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,400 Speaker 1: the snacks that you delivered to grocery stores and gas stations. 425 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 1: It's more important than the job your girlfriend has, the 426 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 1: girlfriend that I hope you marry soon. It's more important 427 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 1: than all of these things. And if you align this correctly, 428 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,919 Speaker 1: like the Bible would say, if you put him first, 429 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: we say that a lot right. 430 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 2: God first? What does that mean? 431 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 1: Are we living that or are we living a life 432 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: that looks like that instead of just saying it on 433 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: our Instagram bio God first, God above everything. And then 434 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: listen to this temmy. I'm not knocking you at all, 435 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 1: but listen how interesting it is to think about someone 436 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: that says God first, I make God my first priority. 437 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 1: And then in the next tent it they say, I'm 438 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:54,959 Speaker 1: just trying to find a church that fits with my 439 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 1: schedule because I work and I've got all these things 440 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: going on in my life, and I'm just trying to 441 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 1: find a church that fits me, my career and my work. 442 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: I'm trying to I don't know, like, does that sound 443 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: like someone that's putting God first? 444 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:09,719 Speaker 2: No, it doesn't. 445 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: So this email, I really want to switch some priorities. 446 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 1: I want to rearrange some priorities here. I want to 447 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: get I want to turn the girlfriend into a wife, 448 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: and I want to I want to make the job 449 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 1: revolve around the church. And then, you know, an easy 450 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 1: argument to that is you're like, well, Granger, this is 451 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,919 Speaker 1: my job. This is all I've ever known, this is 452 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: this is what I'm talented at, this is this is 453 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: the work the Lord gave me. So I need to 454 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 1: find a church that revolves around that. And I say 455 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: this is when I say, hey, Tommy, I've lived this. 456 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: I was a country music singer, touring for twenty four years, 457 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: playing concerts on Saturday nights and traveling usually to go 458 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 1: home on Sunday mornings, never available for church. For years, 459 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: I was doing this and justifying it, and for a 460 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 1: while I was actually attending a church that had a 461 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 1: five pm service, thinking this works. I got a five 462 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: pm service, They got that church has like nine am service, 463 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: eleven AM service, a noon service, a five pm service. 464 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: That works out great. I get to pick the five. 465 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 1: I don't know anybody else that go to this church. 466 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: Because I only go to the five. I don't know 467 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,439 Speaker 1: who's showing up at eight or nine or eleven whatever. 468 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: And slowly I realized, now looking back, that was like 469 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: taking a drop of Cini poisoning and putting it in 470 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:45,400 Speaker 1: my drink every day, Just a drop of poison, separating 471 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 1: myself from the body of the church, separating myself from 472 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: the believers, acting like my job was more important, acting 473 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 1: like that's all I've ever known, and this is the 474 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: talent God gave me. So I'm going to do this 475 00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 1: and that's going to keep me away from the church. 476 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 1: But that's okay, because you know God, God forgives right. 477 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,120 Speaker 1: These are things to think about, Tommy, these are things 478 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 1: to wrestle with. Where are your priorities? I want to 479 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: suggest that some of these things get rearranged. And this 480 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: is a good example of a question that I would 481 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: if you want to go back on YouTube and then go, hey, 482 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: you're wrong, Granger, You're wrong. 483 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 2: And this is. 484 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 1: Why I disagree, totally disagree. And this is why you 485 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 1: can't make everybody go to church on Sunday morning. Some 486 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: people have jobs, Granger they can't change that, I say, 487 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: I say, at least I could say I've been there, 488 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: I lived that, I gave the job up. You know what, 489 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: I don't regret that for a second. Hey, if you 490 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 1: have a business out there online e commerce business, or 491 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: you're thinking about getting into it, listen up. At ee 492 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: we have used shopify for a long long time, all 493 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: the way back to the grangersmith dot com days. When 494 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 1: I was first starting to sell shirts, I didn't know 495 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 1: how to do it. I mean I could be creative 496 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,120 Speaker 1: enough to think about a T shirt that might sell 497 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 1: at at a concert at the merch table, but I 498 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 1: didn't know how to physically set that up and take 499 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 1: care of customers when they enter the credit card information 500 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: and it keeps track of that and you do the 501 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 1: whole check out thing. 502 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 2: I don't know how. I still don't know how to 503 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 2: do that. 504 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: And that was until we discovered Shopify, me and my 505 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 1: two brothers at EEE, when everything started to change. It 506 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 1: allows you to be creative and do what you do 507 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: and then leave the technical stuff up to them. They 508 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: know how to take customers, let them put your product 509 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: in the cart and check out. And the best part 510 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: about all this is that I really don't have to 511 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: keep up with it at all. I just trust that 512 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,920 Speaker 1: Shopify is doing the job behind the scenes that allows 513 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: me to be creative and them to be business minded. 514 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: So if you want to get a business going, or 515 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 1: sell more, or use more of your time being creative, 516 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,679 Speaker 1: then upgrade your business and get the same checkout that 517 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: we use with Shopify. Sign up for your one dollar 518 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 1: per month trial period at shopify dot com slash granger 519 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 1: all lowercase. Go to shopify dot com slash granger to 520 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:15,439 Speaker 1: upgrade your selling today shopify dot com slash granger. The 521 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 1: email to ask me a question is podcast at grangersmith 522 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: dot com or to die back in these and I'll 523 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 1: say that I do think it's it's a good idea. 524 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 2: Whatever platform you're. 525 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 1: Listening on right now, to be able to go to 526 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:34,160 Speaker 1: the YouTube version of this episode and comment double down 527 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,679 Speaker 1: on this. Hey Granger, I disagree with you, or I 528 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: totally agree with you, or I partially disagree with you. 529 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 2: Either way, you know, of course. 530 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: I don't expect to be right in your eyes every 531 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: time I don't expect you to agree with me in 532 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 1: everything that I say. I'm going to base my answers 533 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: on a biblical worldview, meaning I'm going to balance everything 534 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: off the Bible like it's a brick and your question 535 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: is a basketball, and I'm going to bounce the basketball 536 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: off of the Bible brick wall and see which way 537 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 1: it comes back to me. And however it comes back 538 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: to me, that's gonna be my answer. So I'm not 539 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 1: expecting you to always agree with how I see that. 540 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 2: That would be weird if you did. Anyway. 541 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: It would be like me saying my favorite flavor of 542 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: ice cream is cookies and cream Bluebell, and every single person. 543 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 2: Goes me too, that's my favorite. That would be a. 544 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: Boring world if we live that way. We all have 545 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:36,479 Speaker 1: different flavors, and so that's okay. That being said, I 546 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 1: also just don't expect and I don't plan on being 547 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: right all the time. My hope is that I treat 548 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 1: you like a friend of mine. As I read your 549 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: question and we're just taking a walk through the woods, 550 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: we're driving a truck together, and you say, hey, I 551 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: got something I want to run by you, And I 552 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: would say, based on the Bible. What I believe is 553 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: the best answer to that. That brings me to the 554 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: next question comes from Josh. It says, Hey Granger. On 555 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: a previous podcast, you spoke in favor of traditional burial 556 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: instead of cremation because burial has historically been a Christian tradition. 557 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 1: I have always wanted to be cremated because of the 558 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: modern day process of embalming and preserving the body are 559 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: just morbid and incredibly strange to me. Is embalming the 560 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: body a preservation that Christians do today simply because signs 561 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 1: and technology allow for it. To me, it seems like 562 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:33,959 Speaker 1: burials should be in a pine box and nothing else, 563 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: since when the body dies, our souls go on to Heaven. 564 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: I'm curious to hear more of your thoughts on this 565 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: because I cannot find anywhere in the Bible where it 566 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: has an answer to this. Thanks and gig them Josh 567 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: from Spring Texas. Hey, Josh, thanks for the question, man. Yeah, 568 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: and on that previous podcast you're talking about basically London, 569 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 1: was sittating here London, my daughter was in the guest seat, 570 00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: and we were talking about burial versus cremation and how 571 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: traditionally throughout millennia, Christians have buried the dead as a 572 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: form of respect for the body, the vessel that has 573 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 1: been given to us by God to live while we're 574 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: on this earth. So we understand when we say this, 575 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 1: that has nothing to do with our life after this. 576 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: The way that we bury does not determine where you 577 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 1: end up after this. 578 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 2: Right. 579 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 1: That is only people that have faith and have put 580 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 1: their trust and turned from their sin into Jesus alone. 581 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: They have trusted and surrendered and have faith and repented 582 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: from their sin and put all that trust into Jesus, 583 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: the Messiah sent from God to redeem and. 584 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 2: Restore his people. That's it. 585 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 1: That's the only way to heaven. That's the only way 586 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 1: to go to heaven, and to be with Him eternally, 587 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 1: worshiping him in eternal glory. 588 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 2: That's it. So after that, and this is what I 589 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 2: mentioned in the last podcast, there's a but. 590 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: There has also been this idea that we should respect 591 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 1: this body while we have it, and a way to 592 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 1: show the respect for the body that God gave us. 593 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: That's flawed and sinful and fleshly and needy, but it 594 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: is the body that He gave us to carry. 595 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 2: Out the gospel. 596 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 1: Here on this earth, then we should respect it by 597 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 1: burying it instead of burning it. I say that. Let 598 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: me tell you the caveat with this. My dad was cremated. 599 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: My grandparents on his side were cremated. So I'm not 600 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: coming to you from a vacuum saying all my family 601 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 1: only only bury. I'm used to this idea of cremation. 602 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: In fact, I remember back in twenty fourteen when I 603 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 1: lost my dad, and I remember he always wanted to 604 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 1: be cremated, kind of. 605 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 2: Like you, Josh. 606 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: And this is before I was in a place where 607 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 1: I had these kind of discussions. I didn't have any 608 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: kind of deep Bible conversation with anybody back in the day. 609 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 1: So I wouldn't have discussed this with Dad. With my dad, 610 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have thought through this with him. That's okay, 611 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 1: that's totally fine. I'm at peace with that. But here's 612 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: the deal. I remember they scheduled Dad's cremation for noon 613 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: on a certain day, and it was in Waco, Texas, 614 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 1: and that was about an hour west of where or 615 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 1: hour east of where Mom and Dad live. 616 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 2: And so I remember looking at my. 617 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:34,239 Speaker 1: Watch on that day and thinking to myself, you know, 618 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 1: it's like eleven o three am. I wonder if they're 619 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: loading Dad up in the Hurst, you know, Look down 620 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 1: my watch eleven seventeen. Now they're probably driving by. Now 621 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 1: Dad's in the Hurst, and I wonder if they made 622 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: it to Valley Mills by now. Looked down at my 623 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: watch eleven thirty one. I bet they're getting to the 624 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 1: edge of Waco Lake heading out there. Just passed past 625 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 1: the bridge. Look back at my watch again eleven fifty one. 626 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: Surely he's out of the car. They've pulled him out 627 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 1: of the car. They're undressing him or whatever they do, 628 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 1: put him on that table wherever he's going. Maybe the 629 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 1: fire is getting hot, you know, got my watch again 630 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: twelve o three, and I was thinking, I wonder if 631 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 1: he's in there, the dad that I've always known my 632 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 1: whole life, the big, big bodied man, very lovable, great hugs, 633 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:43,360 Speaker 1: big smile, big firm handshake, just crush anybody's hand when 634 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 1: he shook your hand. 635 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 2: All that is that? All burning? Right now? These are 636 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 2: thoughts I'm having, you know, as the sun here at 637 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 2: my house. 638 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,840 Speaker 1: I'm sitting here thinking about all this as I'm watching 639 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 1: my watch and just imagining what's happening to his body 640 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 1: that I loved, not as sult's not of soul. It's 641 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,319 Speaker 1: not a spirit. I understand that it's all different. 642 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 2: But it's it's still. 643 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,840 Speaker 1: The body that I've always known that housed the soul 644 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:10,879 Speaker 1: of my dad, you know. 645 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:12,399 Speaker 2: Maybe the best way to say it. 646 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 1: And then I remember thinking, you know again, it's like 647 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 1: twelve twelve, twenty seven PM. 648 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, probably pulled him out. 649 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,439 Speaker 1: Now, it's probably just ashes, probably nothing but ashes by now. 650 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 1: And then I remember going to Moms a week later 651 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 1: and they had delivered it, and there he is in 652 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 1: a plastic bag. There are there are his ashes. And 653 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 1: I remember holding that plastic bag Dad's ashes, you know, 654 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,759 Speaker 1: and I'm kind of mashing, it's kind of squeezing it. 655 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 1: I feel something in the bag and I kind of 656 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:57,239 Speaker 1: move it around through the plastic with my thumbs and 657 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 1: there's a there's a big screw in there and some 658 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 1: bolts and a little bracket. I'm like, like, oh, that 659 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 1: that was in Dad's ankle. He broke his ankle when 660 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,760 Speaker 1: he was in his twenties playing football somewhere and twisted 661 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:15,879 Speaker 1: it and broke it and needed surgery and they put 662 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 1: those screws, and he always complained about it. You know, 663 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,959 Speaker 1: every time me the weather turned and it was cold 664 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 1: outside or we were snowskiing, he'd be like, ah, that 665 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 1: my ankle, I feel my ankle, got. 666 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 2: The screws in there, you know. 667 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 1: And there it was, right there, in this cold plastic 668 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 1: bag with these gray ashes and fragments of bone and 669 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,839 Speaker 1: like dust, and there he is. 670 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:44,799 Speaker 2: And it's just just a weird feeling. You know. 671 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:50,879 Speaker 1: It's strange for a family member. So to say that 672 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 1: embalming is weird, and burial is weird, and coffins are weird. 673 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,840 Speaker 1: I would say, amen, it is all that's weird. But 674 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 1: my point is cremation is not better by any means. 675 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:09,279 Speaker 1: Cremation is not cleaner or better, or more compact or 676 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 1: you know, more convenient. That's none of those things. We 677 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 1: should recognize through this conversation. The death is not the 678 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 1: way it's supposed to be. We should see death as Christians, 679 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,319 Speaker 1: and we could recognize that in Genesis God created and 680 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 1: it was good, the Bible says, and death was not 681 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 1: part of that good. Death was a result of the 682 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,400 Speaker 1: fall of man. As we fell as mankind found. I 683 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,880 Speaker 1: say we because we have inherited that seed of Adam, 684 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 1: that seed of sin. We have inherited that in ourselves, 685 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 1: and that is clear. I have a three year old 686 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 1: in my house, and it's very clear if you look 687 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,759 Speaker 1: at a two or three year old, that they are 688 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,240 Speaker 1: little rebels at heart. They are little sinners, rebelling, wanting 689 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 1: to push the boundaries as far as they can. 690 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 2: From the very beginning. We are liars. 691 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 1: And and thieves, and we rebel against our parents, and 692 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,239 Speaker 1: we have to be taught. We have to be taught 693 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 1: what the Bible says. We have to Eventually, we have 694 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,560 Speaker 1: to be reborn, and we have to be given new 695 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 1: hearts so that we become aware of that sin and 696 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,719 Speaker 1: our need for a savior, of Jesus who lived the 697 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,879 Speaker 1: perfect life and died for that death so he could 698 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:21,719 Speaker 1: defeat it and we get a victory over it, so 699 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,840 Speaker 1: we could see through cremation and through burial that this 700 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 1: is not the way it's supposed to be. And we 701 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,799 Speaker 1: shouldn't hold our eyes over it. We shouldn't try to 702 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,360 Speaker 1: not talk about it. We shouldn't go to funerals and 703 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,680 Speaker 1: call them celebrations of life and put balloons up and 704 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 1: flowers everywhere and make it happy. 705 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,240 Speaker 2: It's not happy. Death is horrible death is sad. 706 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,239 Speaker 1: We should grieve over it, we should be disgusted with it, 707 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,360 Speaker 1: and we should immediately say how can we get past this? 708 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,279 Speaker 1: How could we get over death? And Jesus says, I 709 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:56,680 Speaker 1: am the only way. So let's not ever have a 710 00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:00,120 Speaker 1: discussion about death or the way that we should bury 711 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:06,440 Speaker 1: without recognizing that death. Even an atheist would admit death 712 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,880 Speaker 1: doesn't seem right. It seems out of place from everything. 713 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:14,840 Speaker 1: It seems very out of place. That everything you build 714 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,600 Speaker 1: and you love, and that all the people you get 715 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 1: close to eventually they die and you put them in 716 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,240 Speaker 1: the ground, and you go to a tomb and you look. 717 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 2: At it and you put a rose on it. 718 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,279 Speaker 1: Your mother, for instance, you lose your mother, and she's 719 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,680 Speaker 1: there in the ground, the one that loved you, the 720 00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,360 Speaker 1: one that bore you, the one that gave you food 721 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,920 Speaker 1: when you're hungry, the one that nursed you as a baby. 722 00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:43,279 Speaker 1: There's her body's in the ground, in the snow, and 723 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,400 Speaker 1: I put a rose on it. And somehow that's supposed 724 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,719 Speaker 1: to make it better. We should recognize through all that 725 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:50,280 Speaker 1: there's not supposed. 726 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:50,960 Speaker 2: To be that way. 727 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,480 Speaker 1: So we look to Jesus, who overcame death, who has 728 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,280 Speaker 1: the only one who's that who has had victory over death. 729 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 1: He's defeated it. Okay, So that brings us to this question, 730 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,000 Speaker 1: what about embalming. 731 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:08,040 Speaker 2: Is it that is that weird? 732 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,120 Speaker 1: I say, yeah, of course it is. It's not supposed 733 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,120 Speaker 1: to be that way, and neither is cremation. It doesn't 734 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,240 Speaker 1: make it any better. And so that's why I argue, 735 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,040 Speaker 1: and it's not just my opinion. I think I stand 736 00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,120 Speaker 1: on the shoulders of many, many, many Christians that come 737 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:30,120 Speaker 1: before me in millennia to say I think the respectful 738 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,200 Speaker 1: thing is to have respect for the body and put 739 00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:36,880 Speaker 1: the body in a casket and put in the ground. 740 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying and once again, my dad, my grandparents, 741 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,279 Speaker 1: all them, all the ones that were cremated, I'm not 742 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,640 Speaker 1: saying that they're going to hell for that. I'm just 743 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,680 Speaker 1: saying I think if I would have known what I 744 00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:49,800 Speaker 1: know now, I think I would. 745 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,560 Speaker 2: Have told Dad, Dad, let's bury you. 746 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,400 Speaker 1: Especially in hindsight of looking back on the time that 747 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,680 Speaker 1: he was cremated, I think Dad would have been like, whatever, yeah, sure, 748 00:40:58,800 --> 00:40:59,759 Speaker 1: put yeah, put me in. 749 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,279 Speaker 2: A cast it, you know. 750 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,719 Speaker 1: And on top of that, I've buried several pets in 751 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,520 Speaker 1: my life out here in the woods and behind my house, 752 00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,120 Speaker 1: and unless you dig a hole deep enough and you 753 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,840 Speaker 1: seal that box tight enough, there is an animal that 754 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:16,600 Speaker 1: will dig up that body. 755 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:18,959 Speaker 2: I hate to say that, but that's that's true. 756 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,080 Speaker 1: I've had I have cat bones all over my woods 757 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,960 Speaker 1: that Maverick goes and pulls out because we've had codes 758 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 1: that come and dig up cats that I've buried. So 759 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:36,879 Speaker 1: embalming is a process that helps prevent the natural decomposition. 760 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:37,799 Speaker 2: Of the body, you know. 761 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,160 Speaker 1: So, yeah, it's weird, but I think it's I think 762 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:46,200 Speaker 1: it is a alternative to at least consider as a 763 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:50,600 Speaker 1: Christian in respect for the vessel that was given to 764 00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:51,720 Speaker 1: us by God. 765 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:53,439 Speaker 2: We put it in the ground. 766 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:57,680 Speaker 1: And we expect as Christians that that body will be 767 00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:04,719 Speaker 1: resurrected and made new because of Jesus. I think that's 768 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 1: enough for you, Josh, I hope it is. Brother, Thanks 769 00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,960 Speaker 1: for the question. I'd move on to Brennan. Hey, Granger, 770 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,440 Speaker 1: I've been a fan for a long time. My question is, 771 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,879 Speaker 1: is going to a school four hours away wrong? I'm 772 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:18,360 Speaker 1: going to a school in a couple of weeks and 773 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,680 Speaker 1: I'm moving four hours away, and I'm the only one 774 00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,839 Speaker 1: in the family that has gone that far, and all 775 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,880 Speaker 1: of my family is not taking it well, and I 776 00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:26,120 Speaker 1: want to know if there's a way that I could 777 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,080 Speaker 1: help them and make this a little less hard for them. 778 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:32,480 Speaker 1: Thanks for your time, Brennan. First of all, I want 779 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:37,040 Speaker 1: to say, brother, this is so exciting, this is so encouraging, 780 00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:39,399 Speaker 1: and you're doing a good thing. 781 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:40,440 Speaker 2: And I don't know. 782 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,359 Speaker 1: Maybe you've been told this by your family, but if not, 783 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,920 Speaker 1: let me be the only guy that has told you 784 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:50,680 Speaker 1: this is a good thing. A boy your age should 785 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:54,080 Speaker 1: leave the nest and get out and spread his wings 786 00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,879 Speaker 1: and try to fly and fall if necessary, and get 787 00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,920 Speaker 1: back up and spread his wings again. That is what's 788 00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:05,439 Speaker 1: always happened in human history boys and girls. Can't speak 789 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,440 Speaker 1: as much for girls because I didn't experience that, but 790 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,799 Speaker 1: as a boy I could tell you from experience and 791 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,880 Speaker 1: from history that getting out of the house is a 792 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,520 Speaker 1: good thing. About your age seventeen, eighteen, nineteen, twenty years old, 793 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:20,040 Speaker 1: somewhere in that world, it's time to get out and 794 00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,719 Speaker 1: make a name for yourself, to fail on your own, 795 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,120 Speaker 1: to fall and pick yourself up. Your parents have picked 796 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,040 Speaker 1: you up for so long, and now it's time for 797 00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:29,839 Speaker 1: you to learn how. 798 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:30,440 Speaker 2: To pick yourself up. 799 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,640 Speaker 1: And you can only do that if you've left the 800 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,080 Speaker 1: nest and you've gone out on your own. So, brother, 801 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,399 Speaker 1: I'm so excited for you. You're coming in a long line 802 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,000 Speaker 1: of men that have done this before you. 803 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:41,040 Speaker 2: And I'm not. 804 00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,560 Speaker 1: Necessarily advocating that school is what you need to do. 805 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,320 Speaker 1: Not everyone is made for school. Not everyone can afford 806 00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:51,120 Speaker 1: school like college. That doesn't mean that you shouldn't get 807 00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:52,960 Speaker 1: out of the house. I am such a big advocate 808 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,279 Speaker 1: for getting out of the house. And that could mean 809 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:59,200 Speaker 1: trade school, that could mean a university. That could mean 810 00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,960 Speaker 1: going off to work on an oil rig. I could 811 00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,600 Speaker 1: be going into the Marine Corps or the Army, or 812 00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,680 Speaker 1: the Air Force or the Navy. Could it could be 813 00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,920 Speaker 1: military work like that too. But all of these things 814 00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,880 Speaker 1: are part of the journey, right. This is part of 815 00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:17,800 Speaker 1: the journey of figuring out how to use the tools 816 00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,520 Speaker 1: that God has given you to go out and take 817 00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,160 Speaker 1: what is yours and to figure out how how to 818 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,560 Speaker 1: act on those gifts and figure out how to find 819 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,440 Speaker 1: a church on your own, and how to covenant with 820 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,080 Speaker 1: your own with God's people on your own, not just 821 00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,879 Speaker 1: just under the wings of your parents. And then when 822 00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:36,279 Speaker 1: you do that and you begin to figure that out, 823 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,480 Speaker 1: then you can go back home, and then you could 824 00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,440 Speaker 1: live in your hometown, and you could get married to 825 00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,160 Speaker 1: a girl, and you could raise them in your hometown 826 00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,760 Speaker 1: just like you grew up, if that's what you choose, 827 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:46,680 Speaker 1: and you can if your grandparents right down the road, 828 00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:47,760 Speaker 1: if that's what you choose. 829 00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,200 Speaker 2: But at least you know what it's like out there. 830 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:55,160 Speaker 1: I went when I was eighteen, I left home and 831 00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,080 Speaker 1: I went to Texas, A and m and my parents 832 00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:03,480 Speaker 1: took me. Tyler was there, and Parker was there, and 833 00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:08,640 Speaker 1: there were boys, and Mom cried. I remember that Dad 834 00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,319 Speaker 1: was happy, you know, Dad was excited, maybe holding back 835 00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,760 Speaker 1: some emotion. But Mom cried, you know, And I remember 836 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:19,040 Speaker 1: that last hug. She's scared and nervous and sad all 837 00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:23,120 Speaker 1: at the same time. That's a sign of a good mama. 838 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,920 Speaker 1: I've got a feeling your family is going through that 839 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,359 Speaker 1: as well. There's more of the unknown that's involved here. 840 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,759 Speaker 2: They don't know you're two weeks out. They don't know 841 00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,640 Speaker 2: what it's going to be like to lose their baby boy. 842 00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,399 Speaker 1: And if your mom didn't feel that way, there would 843 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,040 Speaker 1: be something wrong, right If mom was like, I can't 844 00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,680 Speaker 1: wait for you to be gone. This is so exciting. 845 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,880 Speaker 1: I've already got your room redecorated. 846 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:45,520 Speaker 2: That would be weird. 847 00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:50,400 Speaker 1: So the fact that they are taking this hard is 848 00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,080 Speaker 1: probably a good thing. It means they love you, they 849 00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:54,800 Speaker 1: care for you. That means you're part of the family. 850 00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,759 Speaker 1: You matter to them, you know you fit with them, 851 00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,319 Speaker 1: and you make them be what they are as a 852 00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:06,120 Speaker 1: family unit. So embrace that acknowledge. That tell your mom, 853 00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:10,080 Speaker 1: that tell her, Mama, I just want to tell you, 854 00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:14,960 Speaker 1: Mom that I just I appreciate you all that you've 855 00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:20,040 Speaker 1: prepared me to do to go into this world. I've 856 00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,719 Speaker 1: just been so encouraged all these years by your love, 857 00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:29,120 Speaker 1: by your grace, by your discipline, from all the things 858 00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,600 Speaker 1: that you've prepared me to do, and Mom, you've made 859 00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,200 Speaker 1: me ready for this moment. I'm going to college, I'm 860 00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,319 Speaker 1: going into the world, and I just want to let 861 00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,040 Speaker 1: you know that I'm able to do that because of 862 00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,239 Speaker 1: all the diligent work and all the prayers and all 863 00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,160 Speaker 1: and everything you did as a mother to set me 864 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,640 Speaker 1: up for this moment. I'm able to do it because 865 00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,319 Speaker 1: of you. And this is so exciting for me. 866 00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:53,640 Speaker 2: So thank you, Mom. Have you told her that. 867 00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:57,640 Speaker 1: Something she needs to hear, and then set up something 868 00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:01,560 Speaker 1: where you have you have specific times when you're gonna 869 00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,160 Speaker 1: talk to her and specific times when you're gonna see her. 870 00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,160 Speaker 1: Put it on a calendar. She needs to know that 871 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,080 Speaker 1: I'm speaking in terms of just the mother, but put 872 00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:10,640 Speaker 1: the dad, put the rest of the family in there too. 873 00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:12,920 Speaker 1: They need to know, we're gonna hear from you on 874 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:18,840 Speaker 1: FaceTime at five o'clock every weekday or Monday, Wednesday, Friday, 875 00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:20,480 Speaker 1: or just on Sundays. 876 00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,240 Speaker 2: But whatever's appropriate. 877 00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,480 Speaker 1: Whatever works good with the schedules, you're gonna talk to 878 00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,640 Speaker 1: them at this time on FaceTime. You're gonna you're gonna 879 00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,880 Speaker 1: get on there and you say, Mom, everything's going great. 880 00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,520 Speaker 1: And then you're gonna say, and on the twenty sixth, 881 00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:36,399 Speaker 1: I'm gonna see you, and I'm gonna come stay from 882 00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,040 Speaker 1: the twenty sixth through the twenty eighth, and I'm gonna 883 00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,400 Speaker 1: see you, and can you please make biscuits and gravy, 884 00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,600 Speaker 1: you know, and then and then I'm also gonna see 885 00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,200 Speaker 1: you the next month on the twelfth, thirteenth, and fourteenth. 886 00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:49,920 Speaker 1: So put that down, Mama, and come stay with you. 887 00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,000 Speaker 1: And she needs to know that she needs to see 888 00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:53,879 Speaker 1: it on the calendar, and that way she can get 889 00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,279 Speaker 1: through these moments of you leaving and go, Okay, I 890 00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,480 Speaker 1: just got seven more days and I'm gonna I'm gonna 891 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,560 Speaker 1: see him again. I'm gonna see Brennan in seven more days, 892 00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,120 Speaker 1: looking forward to that. And of course I get to 893 00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,160 Speaker 1: talk to him tonight at five. So I'm sad, i 894 00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,400 Speaker 1: feel lonely, I'm worried about him, but I'm gonna talk 895 00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,759 Speaker 1: to him in about forty five minutes, just like I. 896 00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:17,040 Speaker 2: Do every night. That's all good stuff. She needs to 897 00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:18,719 Speaker 2: know that she needs to hear that from you. She 898 00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:19,439 Speaker 2: needs a plan. 899 00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,040 Speaker 1: She needs to be encouraged that she has set you 900 00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:27,160 Speaker 1: up for this very moment and that you are so 901 00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:31,160 Speaker 1: excited about this moment. And then know that her worrying 902 00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,319 Speaker 1: about you is a sign of the love that she has. 903 00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,280 Speaker 1: And then I don't want to leave this question without 904 00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:42,040 Speaker 1: reiterating that I am encouraged by your brother, I'm excited 905 00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,920 Speaker 1: for you. And then I feel like everybody should do 906 00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:46,839 Speaker 1: this when they get to this age. They should leave 907 00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:51,000 Speaker 1: the house and go on and adventure. And that can 908 00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,080 Speaker 1: mean a bunch of different things, but you need to 909 00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,719 Speaker 1: get away from the parental units and get out of 910 00:48:55,719 --> 00:49:00,480 Speaker 1: the house and try and fail and stand up and 911 00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,520 Speaker 1: try to fly and figure out your wings haven't developed. 912 00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:05,799 Speaker 1: And so you work harder and you get stronger, and 913 00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:09,000 Speaker 1: this is how you come into your own to who God. 914 00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:09,600 Speaker 2: Has created you to be. 915 00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:14,000 Speaker 1: Brennan, and to all of you that have emailed, thank 916 00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:15,800 Speaker 1: you and I love you and we'll see you next Monday. 917 00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,480 Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me on the Grangersmith podcast. 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