Speaker 1: I was like a communications political science major, but I
Speaker 1: sat down. I was just messing around. College kid played
Speaker 1: three chords in like a whole song, just like blew
Speaker 1: out with a twist and everything. I was like, what
Speaker 1: is that? Why can't I do that? And like all
Speaker 1: I want to do is do that again.
Speaker 2: Ben Williams Tennessee Orange Jam, I'm Not Pretty jam, Megan
Speaker 2: Maroney Songs, Lucky Jam. He's got a bunch, Riley Green
Speaker 2: turning Dirt. I mean he's got a bunch. We talk
Speaker 2: about a lot of them here. Ben Williams just received
Speaker 2: the ass Caap Award for I'm Not Pretty, which basically
Speaker 2: means he made a whole lot of money on that song. Yeah,
Speaker 2: whenever I read those awards, that's what it means. His
Speaker 2: name is Ben Williams. He has been in Nashville for
Speaker 2: just a bit now. He writes for Tape Room Music
Speaker 2: and Warner Chapel and he's kind of crushed it. But
Speaker 2: he's always been crushing it in a way, working hard though,
Speaker 2: Like he ran cross country and college. I got a
Speaker 2: whole story about how he got here because of that.
Speaker 2: He was a d one track athlete. I'm always so
Speaker 2: jealous of guys that can do sports and music at
Speaker 2: a high level. He got his first publishing deal shortly
Speaker 2: after graduation. We talked about that coming up. I really
Speaker 2: liked this guy. He was working as a realtor before
Speaker 2: making it a songwriter. We get to that, you feel
Speaker 2: like you tried to bury that a little bit. We
Speaker 2: found it. Yeah, we found it. He was surprised we
Speaker 2: found it. Yeah, because we found the description of his work,
Speaker 2: like his bio, a little headshot. It's awesome, So let's
Speaker 2: get to it. He was both Megan Maroney and Averyanna's
Speaker 2: first Nashville co write, and it's Ben Williams. Again. I
Speaker 2: always remember how somebody made me feel more than all
Speaker 2: the things that we said, because I do a lot
Speaker 2: of these, And after hanging out with Ben and Mike
Speaker 2: and I were just kind of going over some stuff,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember when
Speaker 2: he said that, But mostly I was like, man, I
Speaker 2: remember liking the guy a whole lot. So hope you
Speaker 2: enjoy the stories here. He is episode four ninety five
Speaker 2: of The Bobbycast. It is Ben Williams. So I want
Speaker 2: to rewind a couple steps as you drink your prime?
Speaker 2: Is that Jake Paul or Ron Paul Senator Ron Paul's
Speaker 2: drink ru Paul.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of stuff to unpack just from the
Speaker 2: first few minutes of me sitting down. First of all, Read,
Speaker 2: who is like my guy who travels with me, shoots edits,
Speaker 2: He's like my creative director. He was talking about how
Speaker 2: insane someone has to be to run in this weather,
Speaker 2: and I agree. First of all, I hate running much less.
Speaker 2: It's today's cold, and you may be if you're listening
Speaker 2: to us in Boston or Maine or Washington State, like,
Speaker 2: we get it. We don't know cold like you do,
Speaker 2: right Montana. Where'd you grow up?
Speaker 1: By the way, California?
Speaker 2: Yea, what party CANDU for California.
Speaker 1: Outside of San Francisco.
Speaker 2: I got the cold and peace, semi cold, Michael at
Speaker 2: times cold at times cold. Yeah, so save the you
Speaker 2: don't know cold, okay, cold relative not you. I'm talking.
Speaker 2: I'm talking like the people listening right now. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: cold here for us right now, it's cold. It's sucks.
Speaker 2: And so Read was like, you got to be crazy.
Speaker 2: But he saw that. We think he saw you running literally,
Speaker 2: which is hilarious. So why do you run outside when
Speaker 2: it's this cold. Well, because I know you got a
Speaker 2: fancy watch on and you can afford a gym membership,
Speaker 2: And I'm saying, so, what's what's to do?
Speaker 1: I love running, Like I ran track and cross for Belmont.
Speaker 1: I'm still a big runner.
Speaker 2: But you were a college runner.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I don't look like.
Speaker 2: It's so legit as anything. If you're an athlete, that's
Speaker 2: so legit. I had no idea, that's okay, keep going.
Speaker 1: Well this morning. It's funny because I was gonna go
Speaker 1: run on the treadmill, but I have an old car
Speaker 1: and the power steering was leaking this morning, and I
Speaker 1: called the mechanic guy. He's like, I have room in
Speaker 1: the shop if you bring it over this morning. And
Speaker 1: my fiance was already gone, and so I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't really feel like ubering back. I could get
Speaker 1: my run in. So I dropped the car off in
Speaker 1: East Nashville and ran home.
Speaker 2: So he saw, yeah, your run was dropping your car
Speaker 2: off running out. Yeah, by the way, Belmont D one,
Speaker 2: you're a runner at a D one school.
Speaker 1: I was man like I was, and I still am
Speaker 1: a runner. I'm trying to get I broke my foot
Speaker 1: really bad, like five months ago, and I'm just starting
Speaker 1: to run again.
Speaker 2: So like, how'd you break your foot?
Speaker 1: I fell off. I fell off an electric scooter leaving
Speaker 1: the bar in twelve soeuths. No, it was my own
Speaker 1: electric scooter too, which makes it worse.
Speaker 2: Oh dang to see. So hold on, there's just such
Speaker 2: an dichotomy of elements here. One you're like my old
Speaker 2: car that's leaking fluid, and again you have a very
Speaker 2: nice watch on, and again you own your own electric scooter.
Speaker 2: So why don't you have a nicer car with the
Speaker 2: success that you It just doesn't all miss cars. Okay,
Speaker 2: fair enough, fair enough, Okay, we're gonna get there. No, No,
Speaker 2: we're gonna get there. Uh so hard having I'm just
Speaker 2: I'm allowing me to be curious about something that maybe
Speaker 2: you don't get asked about a lot. But you ran
Speaker 2: in high school, I'm assuming at a high level.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I ran in high school.
Speaker 2: What'd you run?
Speaker 1: I ran the eight hundred and the mile in high school?
Speaker 1: But I played football, so I didn't get to run
Speaker 1: cross country until I got to college, which was really hard.
Speaker 2: So for those that and I wouldn't say I'm a
Speaker 2: big track guy, but we had to run track in
Speaker 2: high school football. Our coach made us. It was kind
Speaker 2: of like, if you play for me, I'm also the
Speaker 2: track coach, you gotta go run track. So four eight
Speaker 2: hundred is two laps and a mile is four laps. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it both sucked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they both suck. Yeah, they both running kind of
Speaker 1: sucks unless you love it.
Speaker 2: Running sucks. It does. Running. To me, I've had trouble
Speaker 2: the most I've ever ran a ten miles at one time.
Speaker 1: That's pretty good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really good. I'm gonna I want to pat
Speaker 2: myself on the back. It's awesome for me because I
Speaker 2: struggle with running because it's it's much. It's physical, absolutely,
Speaker 2: but it's it's very mental.
Speaker 1: It's super mental.
Speaker 2: You gotta go somewhere else.
Speaker 1: I like one of the reasons that I'm even like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm getting back into shape anyways right now. But like
Speaker 1: I have, like I always, I'm such a goal person
Speaker 1: and my like fitness goal like for now is to
Speaker 1: do to do an iron Man, Like I really want
Speaker 1: to do an iron Man, and one of my buddies
Speaker 1: and I are planning to do on April of twenty
Speaker 1: twenty six. And one thing when you were just talking
Speaker 1: about like how hard it is mentally is I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: an iron Man's cool, but like I'll just listen to
Speaker 1: podcasts all the time, where I'll listen to music. I
Speaker 1: didn't know that in an iron Man you can't have headphones.
Speaker 1: You can't have phones. It's like you versus the road
Speaker 1: for twelve thirteen hours. It sucks. Oh my, I'm like, h.
Speaker 2: On a micro machine level, I've done a couple Olympic
Speaker 2: traf lines WHOA, which I don't have the balls that
Speaker 2: you have to I'm just not the athlete that you
Speaker 2: naturally are. But I've done two Olympic traf lines and
Speaker 2: to me, that was that. Yeah. They're like, no, you
Speaker 2: can't listen to anything. Yeah, And I'm like, wait, I'm
Speaker 2: not trying to win, like I'm like competing for a scholarship.
Speaker 2: I want to listen to crab Yeah, And they were
Speaker 2: like you could like and They're like, you'd have a
Speaker 2: star next to your name. And at first I was like,
Speaker 2: what do I have a crap if there's a star
Speaker 2: next to my name? But then it started to weigh
Speaker 2: on me. I was like I don't want to start
Speaker 2: next thing convinced me that I didn't want that star
Speaker 2: next to my name. So but yeah, it was. That's
Speaker 2: very difficult. The swimming part. You don't listen and this
Speaker 2: stuff anyway because when you swim and the again, I'm
Speaker 2: not comparing what I did to what you're training.
Speaker 1: You can't take that away. That's really good.
Speaker 2: Because it was a mile swim. Mine was.
Speaker 1: It was a mile very far for anybody who doesn't.
Speaker 2: Know, Oh dude, it sucked. It's the only panic attack
Speaker 2: I've ever really had because I had only trained because
Speaker 2: I was such a novice at any of the endurance
Speaker 2: type sports that I trained in pools with a black
Speaker 2: line at the bottle.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm gonna do too.
Speaker 2: Never got into open water, so my didn't think about it.
Speaker 2: I was like, if I could swim a mile, I
Speaker 2: swim mile. Got into open water and you're in with
Speaker 2: a bunch of dudes that are your age, dudes that
Speaker 2: know what they're doing, and I'm swimming. There's no black
Speaker 2: line to look at and swim and keep me straight,
Speaker 2: so I can't. I don't know I'm going I'm off track.
Speaker 2: They have to bring a little canoe to put you
Speaker 2: back on. Today, yeah, people are swimming over the top
Speaker 2: of me and it's in the water. Like I had
Speaker 2: a panic attack to like, oh my god, I thought
Speaker 2: I was gonna have to quit. I don't quit anything.
Speaker 2: I thought I was gonna have to quit one of
Speaker 2: the most product because I didn't. I just refocused. But
Speaker 2: then once I got out of the water, and you
Speaker 2: have to put your because you're in a wetsuit, you
Speaker 2: have to change out of the wet suit and you
Speaker 2: go and the by cycling is now, yes, there's nothing
Speaker 2: to listen to. It sucks. No. So when you're gonna
Speaker 2: do that, it's like, how far was your cycle? Like
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six miles? That's still a good It's not
Speaker 2: one hundred like yours.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's gonna be insane.
Speaker 2: Like you're if you may help me with the stats
Speaker 2: and what you're training for, but your miles like two
Speaker 2: and a half.
Speaker 1: The swim is two point four, cycle is one and
Speaker 1: twelve and then and then marathon, which is.
Speaker 2: Why I don't even compare the two. But that's that's
Speaker 2: a that's a cool goal. The hard the hardest thing
Speaker 2: is doing again, are you training four?
Speaker 1: Now? I'm just starting because I have like a year
Speaker 1: and a half to do that too.
Speaker 2: I got five months.
Speaker 1: It's so fast.
Speaker 2: The hardest part was doing the training days where you
Speaker 2: had to do two it once, meaning you had to
Speaker 2: cycle and swim, because it's like, I'm I supposed to
Speaker 2: do that, right, It's not. There's like a course at
Speaker 2: the house where you do. So you go to the wine,
Speaker 2: you swim, and you try to find a place to
Speaker 2: ride it by I was.
Speaker 1: Telling read too like I'm I'm not a morning person,
Speaker 1: so like I'm gonna have to like become a morning person.
Speaker 2: I'm not a morning person either. I hate morning.
Speaker 1: So hey, if you ever get back into cycling, we
Speaker 1: have a I.
Speaker 2: Don't even want to hear the answer. No, I will
Speaker 2: never get I was never rid of cycling.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: It's not that I'll never not get back in. I
Speaker 2: will never get it. I hate no. The answer is no,
Speaker 2: that's one whatever. I'll never get in running again because
Speaker 2: I just never wanted to begin with too. But there's
Speaker 2: something about the mental commitment that mental gymnastics I would
Speaker 2: have to do at times to get through a seven,
Speaker 2: eight ten mile run where I would just have to
Speaker 2: wrote about it in my second book, I would just
Speaker 2: have to run tree to tree because if I started
Speaker 2: going out three more miles, I would start to break down. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so as a runner back to what you did, Yeah,
Speaker 2: so you were a football player, first.
Speaker 1: Football player in high school, and I thought that was
Speaker 1: what I was gonna do, like, and I thought that
Speaker 1: was going to help me get to college. And then
Speaker 1: I broke my coll bone really bad senior year and
Speaker 1: running I was way better at running. I just thought
Speaker 1: I was cool because I was like on the football team.
Speaker 1: I wanted to play football. But then I broke my
Speaker 1: collarbone and that went out the window senior year and
Speaker 1: then I originally went to Santa Clara University in California
Speaker 1: before Belmont, and that's where I ran. I ran a
Speaker 1: Belmont too, but that's where I went for my first
Speaker 1: year and ran track and cross country there. But that
Speaker 1: was the first place I ever ran cross country. The
Speaker 1: first time I ever went in across country meet was
Speaker 1: literally a Division one cross country meet at Stanford, and
Speaker 1: I was three miles in because in college it's eight k,
Speaker 1: so it's five miles versus high school it's five k.
Speaker 2: And so then again because I don't I'm not familiar, so.
Speaker 1: In high school across country, the distance is five.
Speaker 2: K okay, so like a five K. I've run five
Speaker 2: k's before or whatever it is.
Speaker 1: And in college it's an eight k, so it's a
Speaker 1: five mile race. So my first race at Stanford, I
Speaker 1: dropped out like two miles in. I was like, this
Speaker 1: is insane. And at that time we're running like four
Speaker 1: fifty five pace for five miles. And my second race
Speaker 1: was like, I'm not dropping out. I'm gonna finish this race.
Speaker 1: And I got a half mile away and I passed out.
Speaker 2: No way, God dropped you.
Speaker 1: I ran until I passed out because I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna not All my teammates were like you
Speaker 1: suck like whatever. I was like, I'm gonna finish this race,
Speaker 1: and so I was like I might as well try.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk about the first one. When you when
Speaker 2: you when you say you dropped out, you chose I
Speaker 2: don't think I'm gonna make it. I'm just gonna pull up. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you grab like a hamstring, because I would even if
Speaker 2: I would know.
Speaker 1: And what's funny too, is like my parents were there
Speaker 1: because it was my first cross country race and they
Speaker 1: lived nearby and they were wearing all this Santa Clara stuff,
Speaker 1: and I pulled out like I didn't know where they were,
Speaker 1: and I literally stopped like right next to them, and
Speaker 1: I could see them like looking for me, and I
Speaker 1: was right next to them, and I was like, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: like what are you doing. I was like, this is
Speaker 1: really hard.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm ready for this yet. I'm
Speaker 2: so curious about you pulling out of the race because
Speaker 2: obviously looking at yours and again this is fast forward,
Speaker 2: looking at your success rate as a creator, which means
Speaker 2: there's a lot of failure to have a success in
Speaker 2: this world, a lot of failure, which means you don't quit.
Speaker 2: Why'd you quit?
Speaker 1: It was? It was really it's kind of the when
Speaker 1: you were having a panic attack in the water. I
Speaker 1: was in such a new environment that i'd never been in,
Speaker 1: at such a high level that I had never been in,
Speaker 1: surrounded by the best runners in the nation, and we
Speaker 1: were going so fast, and I had just started to
Speaker 1: feel what I had come to learn is a normal
Speaker 1: feeling and across country race of oh, I can't, Oh,
Speaker 1: I can't do this, this really hurts, which is what
Speaker 1: I learned. The next three miles of across country race.
Speaker 1: That's normal.
Speaker 2: It's emotional and physical at the same time. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: what happened to me. Yeah, when you said that, that
Speaker 2: makes a lot more sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And you passed out though the second time.
Speaker 1: Oh, that was so funny. You'll actually think this is funny.
Speaker 1: I was four and a half miles in and it
Speaker 1: was our it was our home meet at Santa Clara
Speaker 1: called the Bronco Invite, so all the other teams were
Speaker 1: there too, which made it even better. But I was
Speaker 1: four and a half miles and I could just I
Speaker 1: was so close, and I could just feel like my
Speaker 1: head starting to go back in my body, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm gonna do this,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, it was just gone,
Speaker 1: and I like woke up. I remember I woke up
Speaker 1: and there were people right there and they're like, what
Speaker 1: school do you go to? And I was red shirting
Speaker 1: at the time, so I was wearing my high school uniform.
Speaker 1: My high school was Burlin Game, and they're like, what
Speaker 1: high school do you go to? And I went burger
Speaker 1: King and they're like, get this guy out of here.
Speaker 2: Clear, I get this guy out of here. So you
Speaker 2: could still run red shirting. The would allow you to run.
Speaker 2: You just couldn't run officially with the school exactly.
Speaker 1: So you buy another year pretty much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't know they would because you can't. Well,
Speaker 2: in football, you can play four weeks in college and
Speaker 2: then still red shirt, but you played more than that.
Speaker 2: You can't. But it's not like you can play all
Speaker 2: the games.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you just enter unattached. Yeah, so I could technically,
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: Could you have run every race red shirted just to
Speaker 2: see what you do?
Speaker 1: Yeah, my freshman year because they were like, this kid's
Speaker 1: never run cross country before? How is well? Redshirt?
Speaker 2: Why'd you come to bellmin Then?
Speaker 1: So I was at Santa Clara and that was when
Speaker 1: I first started writing songs. I didn't grow up musical
Speaker 1: at all. Like my brother plays a guitar, My parents
Speaker 1: aren't musical nothing.
Speaker 2: I wondered if part of the reason was because of music.
Speaker 1: One hundred because of music. And I grew up on country.
Speaker 1: My mom's from Pegram and so like that was my
Speaker 1: whole life. I was all I'd listened to is country music.
Speaker 1: Still that's still all I listened to.
Speaker 2: But you didn't play it.
Speaker 1: I didn't play it. I had a keyboard in my
Speaker 1: dorm room that my brother taught me like a few
Speaker 1: chords on at Santa Clara, and so I was sitting there.
Speaker 1: It was like it was December. I remember, like it
Speaker 1: was right before winter break freshman year, and I sat
Speaker 1: down and like played like CG. E. Minor whatever, the
Speaker 1: simplest thing I knew. And I was like a communications
Speaker 1: political science major, so like music wasn't even a thought.
Speaker 1: But I sat down, I was just messing around college kid,
Speaker 1: played three chords and like a whole song just like
Speaker 1: flew out with a twist and everything, and it was terrible.
Speaker 1: All of our first songs are terrible. But I was like,
Speaker 1: what is that? Why can I do that? And like
Speaker 1: all all I want to do is do that again?
Speaker 1: And so like literally every day like till today, like
Speaker 1: since then, I just was writing. And at the end
Speaker 1: of that year, so I was on quarters, so I
Speaker 1: guess I finished. Like June. I was just like I
Speaker 1: got it. I don't know what. I didn't even know obviously,
Speaker 1: I didn't know that songwriting was a job. I didn't
Speaker 1: know anything. I was just like I have to be
Speaker 1: in Nashville, and Nashville is like home to me too.
Speaker 1: So I was like this, that just feels right. And
Speaker 1: so I told my parents and they're like, hmmm, I
Speaker 1: don't know about that. And I was like, okay, well whatever,
Speaker 1: I'm going to figure it out kind of on my
Speaker 1: own for a second. And so I went to I
Speaker 1: didn't even really know Belmont was a school. I just
Speaker 1: knew Vandy was a school in Nashville. So I like
Speaker 1: went online and I looked up like track team Vanderbilt
Speaker 1: cause I was like, however I was gonna get here
Speaker 1: was going to be through running. And so I found
Speaker 1: out that Vanderbilt doesn't have a men's track team. They
Speaker 1: only have a club cross country team, and I wasn't
Speaker 1: very good at cross country, so they weren't gonna want me.
Speaker 1: So then I was like other colleges in Nashville, and
Speaker 1: I found Belmont and I was like, whoa, this is
Speaker 1: a music school, has all the stuff. Anyways, like this
Speaker 1: seems really cool, and I called the track I literally
Speaker 1: called the track coach and he was like uh. He
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I got a locker with your name
Speaker 1: on if you want to come here, let me go
Speaker 1: talk to admissions. And I was like right now, and
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, I'll go talk to him right now
Speaker 1: if you want. He literally went and talked to admissions.
Speaker 1: I had like a three point one or something. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're good to come if you want, Like, just let
Speaker 1: me know. So that same day I dropped out of
Speaker 1: Santa Clara and like accepted admittance here. And then two
Speaker 1: months later I was at Belmont.
Speaker 2: When you're playing a few chords on a keyboard and
Speaker 2: you say just kind of came out of you, and
Speaker 2: not comparing how good the song was or how bad
Speaker 2: the song was, because in three years you're gonna look
Speaker 2: back the songs you've written now and be like, oh,
Speaker 2: that song kind of sucked. Yeah for sure, So we
Speaker 2: won't make those comparisons. But it is kind of weird
Speaker 2: that you felt something come out of you that you
Speaker 2: didn't know was there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I immediately recognized it and I was like,
Speaker 1: that was a thing that was that was the thing
Speaker 1: in your thing? Yeah, And I was like I just
Speaker 1: I was I was fine at running, Like I wasn't
Speaker 1: the good guy on the team. I didn't have the
Speaker 1: scholarship or like anything, but like when that happened, I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, oh, I don't know what this is,
Speaker 1: but maybe I could be good at this. And then
Speaker 1: I was I, thank god, I recognize that. Why do
Speaker 1: you think that is? I don't know.
Speaker 2: What do you think happened?
Speaker 1: I really don't know. I think it was a lot
Speaker 1: of being a freshman in college and looking for identity.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of it too, was like I
Speaker 1: wanted to be I feel like I wanted to be
Speaker 1: cool so bad too, as like as a freshman in
Speaker 1: college and on the cross country team and all your
Speaker 1: best friends are on the baseball team, and like maybe
Speaker 1: that was my own identifying factor. But I really was
Speaker 1: just obsessed with it. Like I was just obsessed with
Speaker 1: the fact that I could have some idea and some twist,
Speaker 1: Like I remember at that time, do you remember seth
Speaker 1: Innis's song Woke Up in Nashville? Like I was so
Speaker 1: obsessed with that song because I felt that struggle of
Speaker 1: like chasing a dream and missing a girl or missing
Speaker 1: your family.
Speaker 2: That's before you came here.
Speaker 1: That was before I came here, right, And then I
Speaker 1: remember like woke Up in Nashville. Then once I realized,
Speaker 1: oh oh, there's all these twists and turns in country music,
Speaker 1: like oh, he woke up, like he realized in Nashville.
Speaker 1: He didn't just physically wake up in Nashville. And then
Speaker 1: every day I just became more and more and more
Speaker 1: obsessed with Wow, I want to be I want to
Speaker 1: be able to do that.
Speaker 2: Anybody in your family musical at all uncle's aunts. And
Speaker 2: I guess I asked that because even if it wasn't
Speaker 2: in your house. And I don't think that you can
Speaker 2: just become a good guitar player genetically, and I'm not
Speaker 2: saying that about you, but but there are traits nurture
Speaker 2: or nature that happened. I just wonder, did anybody.
Speaker 1: My grandma like played off key organ in the Pilgrim
Speaker 1: United Methodist Church, So maybe it was that. My brother
Speaker 1: always like fingerstyle guitar playing when I was growing up too.
Speaker 2: He's younger, he played now like, Oh yeah he here,
Speaker 2: he's in Dallas.
Speaker 1: Finance guy.
Speaker 2: Anybody's really good.
Speaker 1: He's really good. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I would also recommend stand financial.
Speaker 1: And he's a really good brother.
Speaker 2: You made the right decision. It's awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just faceime me. He just moved into
Speaker 1: this awesome new apartment. He says.
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Speaker 2: You ever get envious of.
Speaker 1: That more structured life, No, not at all. I think
Speaker 1: maybe the like security of it maybe, but like we
Speaker 1: were just at home. My mom moved to Georgia and
Speaker 1: we were just there for Thanksgiving, and like I would
Speaker 1: wake up at ten and go to the driving range
Speaker 1: and like you know, hit some balls or whatever on
Speaker 1: a workday, and he'd be, you know, working on an
Speaker 1: Excel sheet, And like, I was not envious at all,
Speaker 1: but I'm very supportive. That's awesome for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I feel that way too, about eighty eight
Speaker 2: percent of the time. Like, I love that I've been
Speaker 2: able to craft this path. At times it feels like
Speaker 2: a machete with metal trees. Yeah, you know, at times
Speaker 2: other things have come bitty year and I would not
Speaker 2: change it, but I definitely would not recommend it to
Speaker 2: anybody ever, for sure, because there is no security.
Speaker 1: There's no security. And like I'm sure, like I know
Speaker 1: a bunch of your story too. We'll get into that.
Speaker 2: No, we won't. We'll get into what I want to say,
Speaker 2: we get into Okay, you never.
Speaker 1: I really want to tell you about this this podcast effect, but.
Speaker 2: We're just security this world.
Speaker 1: I think that. I think that it's very hard at
Speaker 1: the beginning because like for me, the convincing of people
Speaker 1: who didn't even know this world existed, and that's sort
Speaker 1: of like, how does that work? Why are you doing that?
Speaker 1: That doesn't make sense? Do you want to be poor forever? Like,
Speaker 1: don't do that? That sucks? And if you're not willing
Speaker 1: to be like, hey, guys, just I don't know how
Speaker 1: long this is going to take, but just like let
Speaker 1: me do this. I think that's that's the struggle. Really,
Speaker 1: it's not. I don't It was never the personal struggle
Speaker 1: for me. It was all the outside doubt and even
Speaker 1: if you know, like my parents are very supportive, thankfully,
Speaker 1: I've had a lot of support in my life, but
Speaker 1: like everybody's still doubtful until it works, and I think,
Speaker 1: and then you keep doubting that, and then doubt is
Speaker 1: contagious and constant. Yeah, And I just try to outweigh
Speaker 1: that out because it out never even goes for it.
Speaker 1: And at this point I've had a relatively good amount
Speaker 1: of success. Yeah that you see, same with you.
Speaker 2: I could read every song you've freaking written that I think,
Speaker 2: but you'd be like, well, let me show these two
Speaker 2: hundred that nobody we didn't even demo, you know much.
Speaker 2: So you know we're we're aiming for like a one
Speaker 2: to fifty batting average here, and that's wildly successful.
Speaker 1: Wildly Yeah.
Speaker 2: The security part is I would never recommend it to anybody,
Speaker 2: but I love it for me, I guess because and
Speaker 2: I think the key for me, and the key for
Speaker 2: anybody in this world is to remain, is to continue
Speaker 2: to remain to be highly irrational.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that you have to be.
Speaker 2: You have to be so irrational about what you can do.
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean you can't do it. Being really, I
Speaker 2: think I can do anything in the world, and I
Speaker 2: have to think I have to be so irrational about
Speaker 2: it for sure even have a shot at doing anything
Speaker 2: on a big level.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I think that too, Like the twelve percent, right,
Speaker 1: Like that's not the eighty eight percent, like even with me,
Speaker 1: like like I just sold the only songs that were
Speaker 1: really like paying for my life, right and so your
Speaker 1: catalog Yeah yeah yeah, and so like right now, like
Speaker 1: I don't have a draw, I don't have a salary,
Speaker 1: I don't have anything, like I have things and whatever,
Speaker 1: Like I'm fine, but like when I go when I
Speaker 1: look at my asscap statement anymore, like it's not what
Speaker 1: it was because I sold sure, and so things like that. Though,
Speaker 1: like that twelve percent you're talking about that keeps you
Speaker 1: up at night or whatever you'll feel in the morning.
Speaker 1: I actually think that's the reason why we are able
Speaker 1: to do what we do, because that twelve percent makes
Speaker 1: us want to work even harder. It makes me want
Speaker 1: to do you know, a nine am and eleven am
Speaker 1: and a three pm tomorrow. Because it's very irrational what's.
Speaker 2: Next, because people look from ten thousand feet up and
Speaker 2: be like, bro, you're doing good. Why are you working
Speaker 2: yourself so hard? Why are you putting this pressure on yourself?
Speaker 1: Why?
Speaker 2: But it's like two layers of being a rational one
Speaker 2: for you to feel like you still have to go
Speaker 2: so hard, but that's also what got you here. And
Speaker 2: that never just leaves, that never just checks it, that
Speaker 2: never just checks out of the hotel. Sure, that's what
Speaker 2: I talk to friends about. Actually, I'll have friends and
Speaker 2: with athletes, and I consider athletes and artists high performing
Speaker 2: this kind of the same mentality, and that if you're
Speaker 2: driven and you win a super Bowl or you're great.
Speaker 2: It's not like you go, well, I won my Super Bowl,
Speaker 2: I'm good now, because what's inside of you is what
Speaker 2: got you to that point to be great, and it
Speaker 2: doesn't just check out like you leave in a hotel.
Speaker 2: It's still the same thing with how you do your career.
Speaker 2: You can have fifty You could be Ashley Gorley, who
Speaker 2: I know, and he's very he's good. Yeah, but again
Speaker 2: if you ask him, he's probably like, can I stay relevant?
Speaker 2: Can I do? And so that that ought. So that's
Speaker 2: an irrational part of it. And then also just believing
Speaker 2: that you're good enough to keep going on a high level.
Speaker 2: That's so irrational. We should not be we should not
Speaker 2: think that. But if we don't think that, we can't
Speaker 2: do this right right right.
Speaker 1: No, And even Ashley like he's my new deal. I
Speaker 1: just signed with him. And it's unbelievable to watch, truly
Speaker 1: the goat the greatest of all time. I don't think
Speaker 1: anybody will ever taught him, like to watch the pace
Speaker 1: he goes and just the amount of love too, like
Speaker 1: on top of how much he does for himself that
Speaker 1: he shows for our team and just you know, he
Speaker 1: had to go to something immediately after the party too,
Speaker 1: and his wife is there, his kids are there. It's unbelievable.
Speaker 2: But never to check out that you know, you don't
Speaker 2: check out, and it's awesome and awful and more awesome
Speaker 2: than awful.
Speaker 1: I think we all kind of want to at some point.
Speaker 2: I think it feels good to think we could.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, I would love.
Speaker 2: To be able to not be so neurotic and anxious.
Speaker 2: I don't sleep well, and it's not it's just because
Speaker 2: I am concerned about being places on time, getting everything done,
Speaker 2: not letting anybody down. Can I still be creative when
Speaker 2: my schedule is packed? So? But then I'm doing that.
Speaker 2: That's energy even just thinking about that, I'd being anxius about.
Speaker 2: That's energy that I wish I didn't waste being anxious,
Speaker 2: but I do, and I am. And like, there's a
Speaker 2: screw loose. But for me it's been the right screw
Speaker 2: same thing for you, there's really cool. There's a bit
Speaker 2: of a screw loose there has to be for even
Speaker 2: move here. Yeah, Like that's not who does that? No,
Speaker 2: it's crazy to think you can move here and make it.
Speaker 1: For sure, for sure, it's weird to even hear you
Speaker 1: right there to say say that as if I have
Speaker 1: because it doesn't feel like that, like it feels like
Speaker 1: that's that's still to do, that's on the to do list.
Speaker 2: You know, a song is you know, a song is
Speaker 2: so good that I didn't know that you had written
Speaker 2: it until I was just looking up stuff about you.
Speaker 2: But my wife and I sink because my wife is
Speaker 2: a fan of it a long time. Agoes hair salon.
Speaker 2: Oh my dude, it's it's my favorite. It's one of
Speaker 2: my favorite songs. It's such a female song. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: that's like the that is the freaking jam.
Speaker 1: Oh thank you. So that was so that was one
Speaker 1: of the first songs we wrote when when Meghan moved
Speaker 1: to town.
Speaker 2: By the way, Meg and Roney everybody, I mean to
Speaker 2: speak and broken like a code language. Meghan Roney hair slon.
Speaker 2: This was early early Megan Roney on TikTok. My wife
Speaker 2: was like, this girl is so good. Yeah, and I
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, whatever, find and I would be secretly,
Speaker 2: I'll be secret listening to it right right. Yeah, that song,
Speaker 2: it's such a great song.
Speaker 1: So thank you.
Speaker 2: Tell me about that.
Speaker 1: So with Meg and she's the best we So when
Speaker 1: I had first sign my publishing deal at Major Bob.
Speaker 1: I interned there for two years, which is like why
Speaker 1: interned there? I filed all the papers in the back.
Speaker 1: I listened to this podcast every day.
Speaker 2: Oh thanks, I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: But so I was Meg's first Nashville co write ever
Speaker 1: and it was on Zoom before she ever moved here.
Speaker 1: So we wrote a bunch of songs on Zoom together
Speaker 1: when she lived in Georgia before she moved here. And
Speaker 1: I think hair Salon I really think was the first
Speaker 1: rite that we ever wrote. Maybe it wasn't, but it
Speaker 1: was like top five when she moved here. When we
Speaker 1: sat down like in Nashville with Michael Carpenter and Mackenzie Carpenter,
Speaker 1: who we've done a lot of stuff together. We call
Speaker 1: ourselves Jimmy James. And when we wrote hair Salon specifically,
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know what this is, but
Speaker 1: whatever this sound is, whatever this feel is with Megan
Speaker 1: is the thing, and whatever that feeling with this song is,
Speaker 1: we need to keep until we are gray, Like this
Speaker 1: is the vibe, this is the feeling, this is the
Speaker 1: song that I'm so glad he said that, because I
Speaker 1: truly like people will be like what's your favorite song
Speaker 1: you've ever written. I think it's Harsalon.
Speaker 2: My wife is eleven, almost twelve years younger than I am,
Speaker 2: so she definitely keeps me on the Sabrina Carpenter all
Speaker 2: the new pop stuff, but even some of like the
Speaker 2: the because I listened to a fair amount of music,
Speaker 2: but then I don't sure. I mean, I'm creating content
Speaker 2: all day. I don't know. It's not what it used
Speaker 2: to be. But she was like, oh, this is like
Speaker 2: one of the greatest songs And it wasn't even so
Speaker 2: much at the time about Megan Maroney because there wasn't
Speaker 2: a big body of work of hers out right.
Speaker 1: No, it was like this second song, yeah, and.
Speaker 2: She was like, this song is so good. And I
Speaker 2: remember listening to it, and first of all, I don't
Speaker 2: acknowledge my wife finds something great at first. It never
Speaker 2: never I don't want ever, because anything I find is
Speaker 2: it's never good. But she can like find TV shows
Speaker 2: and music like she's great at it. So I was
Speaker 2: just like, yeahs fine, it's fine. But I remember thinking
Speaker 2: that is so new and refreshing and classic at the
Speaker 2: same time, and it wasn't. It didn't sound it was
Speaker 2: so specific yeah. Right. It was in that era too,
Speaker 2: when specificity started to be written into songs.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And it also was like so small town like where
Speaker 2: I was from. It just hit me in like an
Speaker 2: odd way that again it's such a female song, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's fine. My parents were like, how did
Speaker 1: you How did you write that? And I was like, ah,
Speaker 1: I don't mom, We're very close. I was just thinking
Speaker 1: about you. And they were talking about the line.
Speaker 2: Though it's a gem what's the line? What's favorit line
Speaker 2: where you get.
Speaker 1: Who cares? Who's selling weed to the preacher's son in
Speaker 1: the second verse? I remember like the second we wrote that.
Speaker 1: I think a great Megan song and like a great
Speaker 1: country song which is watched. She has so many great songs.
Speaker 1: It make you laugh, it'll make you like cry, it'll
Speaker 1: make you feel all the love all at the same time,
Speaker 1: and like that song makes me laugh and then I'm like, damn,
Speaker 1: but it's really about this this girl who's heartbroken because
Speaker 1: her ex boyfriend just got engaged. But then you laugh
Speaker 1: about a weed line like.
Speaker 2: And then it's like and it also reminds me of
Speaker 2: where I grew up. Yeah, because it's very even if
Speaker 2: you're not talking about a hair salon. It's there are
Speaker 2: eight other places in your small town, right where that
Speaker 2: dynamic is happening between just the random people, the cast
Speaker 2: of characters that lives.
Speaker 1: In a small to anyway, that Bernadette is a real person,
Speaker 1: by the way, too, And that's Megan's dad's hairstylas. And
Speaker 1: when that song came out, before Meg was big or anything,
Speaker 1: she sent us a video and she's like, miss Meghan
Speaker 1: Maroney wrote this song about me, and she walked through
Speaker 1: the salon and with the song in the background. It
Speaker 1: was really cool.
Speaker 2: That's fine. I think she Megan's just a great, great songwriter, unreal,
Speaker 2: and this town is a land of giants and singers
Speaker 2: and songwriters, and it's not even that because there are
Speaker 2: a lot of great songwriters. But again, she's great with
Speaker 2: something to say from a perspective to say it from.
Speaker 2: And you're definitely a part of that journey with her.
Speaker 2: But I've said many times because she's front facing, right,
Speaker 2: she's the artist for sure, so she gets the shine.
Speaker 2: I was like, she is what I feel is like
Speaker 2: the new generation of the great songwriter one hundred. When
Speaker 2: you start writing with her, like, yeah, what is it
Speaker 2: about her?
Speaker 1: What her ideas?
Speaker 2: I always have.
Speaker 1: This is the truth, Like I have a section of
Speaker 1: my notes like ourmegan ideas. But the truth is is
Speaker 1: when we sit down and write, and now it's a
Speaker 1: lot less than before. We used to write all the time.
Speaker 1: Now she's very busy on the road and when we write,
Speaker 1: you know, it's specifically for an album or whatever, which
Speaker 1: is awesome. She has all the ideas and even like
Speaker 1: if we get stuck on something, I'll just be like, hey,
Speaker 1: read me your ideas, and she'll like all of Tennessee Orange,
Speaker 1: I'm not pretty, all those songs, those are her ideas
Speaker 1: and those are her concepts. So she really think, she
Speaker 1: really will think of a concept that everybody's going to
Speaker 1: relate to in a completely different way. And then we
Speaker 1: just got to bring it together, you know how.
Speaker 2: I know that you're legit and I don't. Again, we
Speaker 2: haven't met before. Yeah this, if we had it, it
Speaker 2: had been in superpassing because I only we spend time together. No, Okay,
Speaker 2: this is why I think I respect you already. Is
Speaker 2: that anybody most folks would have said what you said
Speaker 2: kind of about somebody else that they were involved in
Speaker 2: writing with they would have said, yeah, she's great, she
Speaker 2: has great. You were pushing all the credit to her,
Speaker 2: which means you are so secure, You're so secure in
Speaker 2: what you bring and who you are, that you're absolutely
Speaker 2: fine with taking a spotlight and going yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: I was involved in that, but look boom spotlight on her.
Speaker 2: Oh for sure, Like, even you doing that shows me
Speaker 2: the kind of collaborator and person you are to work with.
Speaker 2: So that's a compliment, Oh think, because I again appreciate it.
Speaker 2: I never knew who I mean, I'd read about you,
Speaker 2: I knew I knew your songs, and I was walking
Speaker 2: down until I got down here. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you're gonna be cool or not. He's still not totally convinced.
Speaker 2: I mean maybe sometimes run when it's like ten degrees outside,
Speaker 2: I'm not. And then the song just became because hair sline, Like,
Speaker 2: wasn't that was a radio song? No, not at all,
Speaker 2: But then Tennessee orange monster, Yeah I'm not pretty monster.
Speaker 2: Now it's like you write songs that would make other
Speaker 2: people want to write with you, Like you've written such
Speaker 2: big songs that if you just say, oh, yeah, he
Speaker 2: was a writer on this, that alone makes you desirable
Speaker 2: to write with. And that's a change. How did you
Speaker 2: deal with now being the person that everybody wanted to
Speaker 2: work with?
Speaker 1: That's wow. I like him emotional about that, because like
Speaker 1: all I ever wanted to be is that person. And
Speaker 1: I think I talked about like you know, listening to
Speaker 1: this podcast, I am such a huge, huge, huge fan
Speaker 1: of songwriters in this town. Like I knew Jesse Fraser's
Speaker 1: story before. Jesse and I are Ever Boys, John I Kopperman,
Speaker 1: all of the guys that have been on this podcast,
Speaker 1: I I idolize. And the fact that now I can
Speaker 1: sit and call them friends and they want to write
Speaker 1: with me because of those songs to me is like
Speaker 1: it truly is I'm living my dream and I'm so
Speaker 1: grateful and humbled, and it's also terrifying because like I'm
Speaker 1: so grateful for those songs and now also too, like
Speaker 1: when I if I now, thankfully, I think that I
Speaker 1: have all. I've gotten all the big, big, big rights
Speaker 1: out of the way, and thankfully I made a lot
Speaker 1: of friends along the way. But during that year, really
Speaker 1: after Tennessee, Orange probably Why I'm Not Pretty was still
Speaker 1: on its way to being a hit. You only get
Speaker 1: one chance to walk in the room with you know,
Speaker 1: abz ex artist X writer and if you to walk
Speaker 1: in and they're like, yeah, you might just be on
Speaker 1: a hit song, but you might not be the reason
Speaker 1: why I was a hit song. You have to prove yourself.
Speaker 1: And I had to prove myself like not only when
Speaker 1: I just got first got my publishing publishing deal before hits,
Speaker 1: but then after hits to go into the biggest of
Speaker 1: biggest rooms and be like can this guy hang? Do
Speaker 1: we are we gonna turn to this guy I now
Speaker 1: to help with these other artists. That was tough because
Speaker 1: like I know I can, but I had to go
Speaker 1: do it, and that was that was crazy.
Speaker 2: What would your advice be to you seven years ago,
Speaker 2: four years ago a covid messages with my brain. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because again, you're writing with Megan before she was a
Speaker 2: known entity. Yeah, and I'll talk about her as not
Speaker 2: a human but just as like as a data point
Speaker 2: that can generate streams and revenue. You were writing with
Speaker 2: her before she was a thing. What would you tell
Speaker 2: other guys or girls like you that are like I
Speaker 2: just can't get any rights with anybody big, Like, how
Speaker 2: am I supposed to make it?
Speaker 1: Oh? My gosh. That is like if I go get
Speaker 1: coffee with Belmont students or something, that's the number one
Speaker 1: thing I tell them was like when I signed my
Speaker 1: first publisher, Neil, I'm twenty six now, I was twenty two,
Speaker 1: and I just remember that first year being like I
Speaker 1: need a Luke Brian cut, I need a Morgan wall
Speaker 1: And cut. I need these, Like that is how I'm
Speaker 1: going to have success. I'm going to get an outside cut.
Speaker 1: I had no idea that when I was sitting there
Speaker 1: writing all those songs with Meg and I did a
Speaker 1: bunch of Averyanna songs and all those early songs, I
Speaker 1: had no idea that what was going to propel me
Speaker 1: to even have the opportunity to write a Luke Brian
Speaker 1: or Morgan wallensong or whatever was sitting right next to
Speaker 1: me co writing the song I was doing. And so
Speaker 1: that is the number one thing is don't obviously, if
Speaker 1: you get a Blake Shelton single or whatever, that's amazing,
Speaker 1: like go you go you. But I think the way
Speaker 1: to break in as a just a pure writer, which
Speaker 1: I am, is look to your left and your right,
Speaker 1: who do you truly believe out of your friends or
Speaker 1: your circle has a chance to be honest in a stage,
Speaker 1: and whoever that person is, sit next to them, write
Speaker 1: with them every week, write with them every day, write
Speaker 1: their first record before they know that it's their first record.
Speaker 1: And then if you can contribute to their career and
Speaker 1: they blow up, boom. You just did the thing. And
Speaker 1: now you get the opportunity to do the thing that
Speaker 1: was impossible, which was getting an outside Luke Brian's song
Speaker 1: in your first Bubbles you deal pretty much.
Speaker 2: Did you ever want to sing?
Speaker 1: Can you sing? Oh? My gosh. I think about it
Speaker 1: all the time now. I used to never think about
Speaker 1: it because there's so many songs on my phone where
Speaker 1: I'm like that I sing. I sing most demos, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, maybe I should put these songs out
Speaker 1: at some point. I don't know. It's nice to not though.
Speaker 2: There are two kind of versions of the situation you're in.
Speaker 2: One would be I am extremely close. You mentioned Ross Kapperman.
Speaker 2: He comes over pick a ball a couple of times
Speaker 2: a week. Our wives are very close. Like that's like
Speaker 2: my guy been friends for the whole time I've been
Speaker 2: in town, just about them. And Ross is really good
Speaker 2: and Ross was like an artist. Yeah, he's an artist,
Speaker 2: and then he started to have success writing, so he'd
Speaker 2: like focused all his talent, so he's like an artist
Speaker 2: and then he gets at a crossroads. What do I do.
Speaker 2: I've got all this success, you know, uh, being a
Speaker 2: producer and art and so it's like I want to
Speaker 2: take Manders you put it here. But he was the
Speaker 2: artist that then. But a lot of those guys right
Speaker 2: are artists and then shift for one reason or the other.
Speaker 2: And then there are guys, my guys. For any of
Speaker 2: it's gonna message me. I mean, got women and men
Speaker 2: guys is universal crue. I agree, thank you, thank you
Speaker 2: like yourself who write and they have the ability to
Speaker 2: learn to be a better writer, so they do, and
Speaker 2: then they kind of find the voice yeah inside of
Speaker 2: them physically and mentally that they now want to write
Speaker 2: and sing songs. And I feel like that second version
Speaker 2: could be a bit of you now I'm not.
Speaker 1: My and the thing is too like if it's coming
Speaker 1: from anywhere, it's not coming from I want. I want
Speaker 1: the spotlight that comes from being the artists. Like that
Speaker 1: is not what I want. What I do want, though,
Speaker 1: is like, man, when I go finish this song, like
Speaker 1: Ross and I wrote a ton of songs, like a
Speaker 1: lot of them are getting cut, but like there's a
Speaker 1: lot of songs that we just wrote for some new
Speaker 1: projects that like aren't getting cut. And I'm like, and
Speaker 1: I sang all the demos and even with other people,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, they're my some of my favorite songs
Speaker 1: I've ever written, and I'm singing them and I'm like, Wow,
Speaker 1: I wish people could just all I'm saying is there
Speaker 1: are so many cool songs that I wish were in
Speaker 1: the world that won't be in the world. And the
Speaker 1: only avenue for them to be in the world is
Speaker 1: if I put them at.
Speaker 2: A mount Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm just walking that line of Wow,
Speaker 1: it's really nice to wake up on a Saturday and
Speaker 1: go play golf with my friends or if I do it,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it, and then I would be in
Speaker 1: you know, Maine on a Saturday.
Speaker 4: Right, the Bobby Cast will be right back. This is
Speaker 4: the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 2: My text rass and to say, tell me one thing.
Speaker 2: See if you've been FACETI will probably pick up well,
Speaker 2: I hate face timing if they're in the middle of
Speaker 2: a right, because I'll do that for the right, I'll
Speaker 2: face time. I mean, I mean, I'm that close with
Speaker 2: I don't care. But let's just see what happens. This
Speaker 2: is well, by the way, Ross has over like forty
Speaker 2: number ones right as.
Speaker 1: The biggest writers in our world, in the world.
Speaker 2: Let's see if he answers here hebby Bobby, Hey man,
Speaker 2: I just got out of a nice back. He's not
Speaker 2: gonna answer, though he may call back. You can't leave
Speaker 2: a video, he is. Hey, So I'm sitting here RaSE.
Speaker 2: So we were just talking about you, Uh what give me?
Speaker 2: Can you give me like a couple of fun facts
Speaker 2: out oh Ben here? Like, oh my god, just some
Speaker 2: for somebody that works because he he loves you and
Speaker 2: talks in such high regard of you. And so I thought,
Speaker 2: if Ross has a couple two to three minutes we're
Speaker 2: recording this right now, could you give me just a
Speaker 2: couple of thoughts on Ben.
Speaker 1: Ben.
Speaker 5: I don't remember what you got into about his athleticism.
Speaker 2: It was the whole first ten minutes of the podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right, all right, all right.
Speaker 5: The way Ben writes lyrics is just it's it's pretty incredible.
Speaker 1: He he.
Speaker 2: He says the most profound.
Speaker 5: Things and he's he's thoughtful, and he just knows how
Speaker 5: to write a hit song.
Speaker 1: To be so such a.
Speaker 5: Young writer write such incredible rixperient and to know how
Speaker 5: the arc of how to write the second verse, I
Speaker 5: was like, he knows how to write the second verse,
Speaker 5: and that's that's like the biggest challenge writing the right
Speaker 5: second verse.
Speaker 2: I'm very annoyed that he's an athlete. I'll be honest
Speaker 2: with you. I kind of hated that he was so athletic,
Speaker 2: because you know, when someone has such success as something
Speaker 2: else and they're young, and they're also like I was
Speaker 2: a d one athlete, I'm like, God, damn, dude, say something,
Speaker 2: save something for us, something, you know.
Speaker 1: Hey, his voice the.
Speaker 5: Best translation to Dirk's balty Ai that exists.
Speaker 2: Okay, there you have it, all right, buddy? Uh hey
Speaker 2: do you play pickleball at all? Do you play pickball?
Speaker 2: Does he get the invite? Does he get the invite?
Speaker 5: He'd be too good, Bobby.
Speaker 1: That's the too good.
Speaker 2: You know, I've got backing down from any but not
Speaker 2: that good.
Speaker 5: You wouldn't really, Yeah, he knocked my position down.
Speaker 2: No, I would not, All right, buddy, Thanks France, are
Speaker 2: and good to see you.
Speaker 1: That's awesome, Like Ross is.
Speaker 2: Like, you're right, Like he upper tier. Yeah, he's done
Speaker 2: it at a high level for so long with many
Speaker 2: different people. Kenny Keith, it doesn't matter. Yeah, And for
Speaker 2: a guy like that, how does that make you feel
Speaker 2: when he says stuff like that, So because he didn't
Speaker 2: have to get uid anything you wanted.
Speaker 1: He's that's the coolest thing to me.
Speaker 2: Ever.
Speaker 1: And like the fact that one of the you know,
Speaker 1: idol of a writer of mine just told me that
Speaker 1: I could I know how to write the second verse,
Speaker 1: which is obviously the hardest part of the song.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we expand on that a little bit. Why why
Speaker 2: why is that a thing?
Speaker 1: I think? And the thing with me, I've never really
Speaker 1: believed in it. But I remember when I first started
Speaker 1: writing in town specifically, people are always like the second
Speaker 1: verse curse, And people used to go to lunch when
Speaker 1: they finished the chorus to like kind of like rejuvenate
Speaker 1: for the second verse, because it's easy to get lazy
Speaker 1: because you're tired. You just spend all this effort writing
Speaker 1: the hook and the chorus in the first verse, and
Speaker 1: I feel like all the time people are like, well,
Speaker 1: now there's nothing left to say. I feel like, what
Speaker 1: else people are? What else do we say? And I
Speaker 1: was just like, well, let's say the same thing but
Speaker 1: in a cooler way. And also like second verse wise,
Speaker 1: I don't know on any of the songs Ross and
Speaker 1: I have done together, but I'm never afraid to just
Speaker 1: write a completely different melody and a completely different structure
Speaker 1: for the second verse than from the first verse. Like
Speaker 1: why does the second verse have to be the same
Speaker 1: melody as the first verse? If it sounds good being
Speaker 1: the same great, But like, second verse to me is
Speaker 1: like another opportunity to regain the listener's ear before they
Speaker 1: hit another chorus. So let's say something weird or interesting
Speaker 1: or throw melody that they're not ready for.
Speaker 2: Do you feel like if you're in a room and
Speaker 2: with artists who have excuse me, artists or mostly songwriters
Speaker 2: that have traditionally written not that way, you know, melody
Speaker 2: of the first verse, melody the second verse gotta have
Speaker 2: three chorus here, got it? And it has to be done. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that it's hard to kind of break through to them
Speaker 2: what you're.
Speaker 1: Saying sometimes, Yeah, But a lot of the time I
Speaker 1: think if they just see that it's cool or they
Speaker 1: hear that it's cool, the vibe and the feeling. They'll
Speaker 1: just be like, oh, yeah, that is cool, even if
Speaker 1: they think that it has to be exactly this way.
Speaker 1: If something sounds good to somebody and they're if they're
Speaker 1: not willing to adapt, then they probably aren't writing in
Speaker 1: town anymore anyways, you know. So I think it's just
Speaker 1: showing if they don't believe in changing, showing them how
Speaker 1: it could be really cool, and then they'll be like,
Speaker 1: oh that is cool.
Speaker 2: You get a lot of people from non Nashville come
Speaker 2: in and go, hey, I want to write with you,
Speaker 2: Like is that a thing? Are people coming from with me?
Speaker 2: So just yeah, you specifically are Just in general, it
Speaker 2: feels like there's a lot of folks coming from like
Speaker 2: La just to write with like Nashville writers, they write differently,
Speaker 2: like more than ever, more than ever, it's constant.
Speaker 1: Now, it's like, listen, the fact that country's cool and
Speaker 1: everybody wants to be a part of country. Ashley said
Speaker 1: it the best. It's like this is the more the
Speaker 1: merrier come. We have open arms. Hopefully that'll go both ways,
Speaker 1: but I think they want to come see what we've
Speaker 1: been doing and that's really changing the world. I mean
Speaker 1: country to me hopefully, I don't know stats, but like
Speaker 1: it sure seems like it's the coolest format right now.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, by far. Yeah, I mean just the format
Speaker 2: exploding as it has has helped me in other ways
Speaker 2: professionally because people will be like, oh, you're the most
Speaker 2: listened to, yeah, and the most listened to for it.
Speaker 2: You must be cool without it. So there's just credibility
Speaker 2: with country now that there hadn't been before a few
Speaker 2: years ago. And you know a lot of that is
Speaker 2: credited to the Wallins and Comb's and Zach Bryan being
Speaker 2: able to go stadium for sure, right, for sure, because
Speaker 2: a lot of people can do arena and that's amazing,
Speaker 2: for sure, but when you can go stadium, that's that's
Speaker 2: next level. And you have three young guys doing it
Speaker 2: at once. And I'm not talking abou Kenny, because Kenny's
Speaker 2: been able to do it in Garth, but it took
Speaker 2: those guys a long time. But you're talking about a
Speaker 2: sound that got so popular so quick. Yeah, and these
Speaker 2: guys are your age.
Speaker 1: I'll be super honest too, Like the one thing that
Speaker 1: is a little frustrating about it, And again I'm as
Speaker 1: open arms as it gets when I also can't wait
Speaker 1: to go to I haven't been on an LA trip yet,
Speaker 1: and so like, I know that I want to write
Speaker 1: some pop stuff at some point, and like I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get over there and be super green. And I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that people who come here are super green, because
Speaker 1: they're all amazing. Like when you come and I haven't
Speaker 1: written with a ton of LA people, I'm like writing
Speaker 1: with a couple, But it's like, unless you've written a
Speaker 1: lot of country before, which some of them have and
Speaker 1: they're amazing country writers, if you're just coming here for
Speaker 1: the first time to start dabble in country, the sessions
Speaker 1: are very much like, this is how we do it.
Speaker 1: It's sort of this way. Lyrics are like this. It's
Speaker 1: it's like, let me show you a sort of sort
Speaker 1: of vibe. And that's a little tough at the beginning,
Speaker 1: just to be like, come, let's I'm gonna show you
Speaker 1: how to This is how we kind of do it
Speaker 1: here versus them just getting here and we're just on
Speaker 1: the same page crushing. But that will come with time,
Speaker 1: and then the more that they come here, the more
Speaker 1: that we get to share in their world too. So
Speaker 1: I look at it as a positive thing.
Speaker 2: The creators writers that I know from California be the
Speaker 2: many more creators writers that I know in Nashville. Yeah,
Speaker 2: whenever those two mix, especially for the first time, well
Speaker 2: both sides. Often if they go into the land where
Speaker 2: they're going, they want to prove themselves. And I have
Speaker 2: done this in many situations where I'm like over the
Speaker 2: top a little bit because I want to myself so much.
Speaker 2: But it seems to me like the dynamic has been
Speaker 2: if people come, well, to say, from California here when
Speaker 2: they work there, it could be one in the morning,
Speaker 2: it could be in a studio, it could be you know,
Speaker 2: they're getting high in recording while they're riding. Totally, it
Speaker 2: could it very much and all the time, very much.
Speaker 2: It's melody. First will fully flesh out of a freaking awesome
Speaker 2: melody and then assign some words to it. And again
Speaker 2: all of that happens here a little bit, but mostly here,
Speaker 2: like it's a it's a job for sure, like nine
Speaker 2: to three, Yep, we're riding this and it can be concept,
Speaker 2: it can be melody, it can be but yeah, it's
Speaker 2: it's definitely they're just created differently. And I could understand
Speaker 2: how that oil and water meat and it will be
Speaker 2: difficult to learn.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's like a lot of the time it's amazing too.
Speaker 1: Like there's a song on Meg's last last record called
Speaker 1: I Know You and I wrote it with Jay Cash.
Speaker 1: We read it with Jay Cash and Jake I Love
Speaker 1: I Don't Know jacsh So. J Cash wrote like a
Speaker 1: lot of the early one Direction songs he wrote last
Speaker 1: night with Ashley Morgan's song He's just He's just an
Speaker 1: amazing guy. But he came and like just some of
Speaker 1: the melodies he would throw out that sort of hit
Speaker 1: factory thing and pop that we don't have as much
Speaker 1: in country really helps. That was really cool. I enjoy it.
Speaker 1: But you're right, I mean the times that we start
Speaker 1: I think they start at one there versus eleven here
Speaker 1: and stay up all night. I'm not in up all
Speaker 1: night writer, like I'm if I'm not done by three, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: But it's the culture here right for sure. It's Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm not a I said, I'm not a morning person
Speaker 2: at all. I hate it.
Speaker 1: I like nine ams like I love a nine Am.
Speaker 2: I would wake up at noon. I literally wake up
Speaker 2: at noon every day. Or later if I could, and
Speaker 2: I don't. I wake up before thirty in the morning,
Speaker 2: and it sucks.
Speaker 1: You wake up before thirty every day every day.
Speaker 2: If not before, like my my alarm, Yeah, because the
Speaker 2: show starts at five, but we're not we can record
Speaker 2: stuff early early on because we're on East coast six am, right,
Speaker 2: we can record stuff early early on. COVID kind of
Speaker 2: allowed that. But my alarm is set for four thirty,
Speaker 2: and I don't know that. My alarm has gone off
Speaker 2: three times this year, meaning I'm so neurotic that I
Speaker 2: wake up three twenty three fifty four to ten take
Speaker 2: a gasp because I do. It sucks. I hate it.
Speaker 2: And people will be like, what time do you start working?
Speaker 2: And I'm like, as soon as my eyes open, sure,
Speaker 2: or I would or I wouldn't wake up right, But
Speaker 2: what wakes me up is me going, oh my god,
Speaker 2: I got so much to do. And Mike, who produces this,
Speaker 2: but it's also like been my vertebrae for ten years
Speaker 2: at this point, he knows if he's getting emails, even
Speaker 2: if he's on a wake at two thirty in the morning,
Speaker 2: it's about to be a rough day because that means
Speaker 2: I haven't slept at all. I can't sleep. I'm up,
Speaker 2: I'm writing, I'm sending notes for the show. But again,
Speaker 2: that is also and I say that, don't not the
Speaker 2: wa but like that's also what built the studio in
Speaker 2: here for sure. For sure, it's also what allows me
Speaker 2: to travel around the country doing a sports show that's
Speaker 2: opened all these doors for television. So you know, with
Speaker 2: all of that, hate mornings and I don't sleep a
Speaker 2: little bit, not a time that would be suitable to
Speaker 2: wake up that early, like eleven. Sure, before I got married,
Speaker 2: I could go to bed at seven thirty or eight
Speaker 2: pm because who cares. Yeah, But now that I have
Speaker 2: like a wife and like I try to not be
Speaker 2: lame and we like watch it's have a life.
Speaker 1: I'm getting married in July.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's awesome.
Speaker 1: Oh it's we've been together since like Belmont, like the
Speaker 1: whole ride.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you say that like that's one hundred years ago,
Speaker 2: you're like twelve. Yeah, it was, like, I mean, it
Speaker 2: was my adult life, like kids do the darnedest thing,
Speaker 2: Like it's my way to seven years.
Speaker 1: Really, yeah, it is a long time.
Speaker 2: Nineteen Dang, Why she cool? What's cool about her?
Speaker 1: She's so cool. She puts up with me. She's just
Speaker 1: so easy and so amazing and smart talented.
Speaker 2: How'd you propose? When you propose?
Speaker 1: I proposed almost two years ago. We were doing a
Speaker 1: long engagement. But so her birthday is May sixteenth, mine's
Speaker 1: May eighteenth. So I proposed on the seventeenth. Her parents
Speaker 1: have a place down in Florida, and I had my
Speaker 1: whole family come down and we did one of those
Speaker 1: Hey we're gonna do a family picture on the beach.
Speaker 1: And then I actually was so funny. We hired this
Speaker 1: photographer lady to take pictures, obviously, and we were I
Speaker 1: was standing there with with Bella her name is Bella,
Speaker 1: with Bella, her dad, her mom, and her sister, and
Speaker 1: we were doing like one family photo, like right before
Speaker 1: they were gonna like Bella's dad was like, hey, let's
Speaker 1: do pictures with Ben and Bella. That's what I was
Speaker 1: gonna do it. And I had the ring like in
Speaker 1: my pocket right here, the big box, and I'm on
Speaker 1: the right side of this family photo and the photographer,
Speaker 1: whose only job was to be there to take engagement pictures.
Speaker 1: These family photos are whatever, They're not part of the
Speaker 1: thing goes you have something sticking out of your pot.
Speaker 1: And I literally Bella's dad looks at her AND's like what,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I just joked. I was like, that's
Speaker 1: my butt. I got a big butt, and she was like,
Speaker 1: I was like, what do you do? And so just
Speaker 1: immediately after that, her family got out and you had
Speaker 1: to go down. No one knew anyways, did she?
Speaker 2: Oh, when I bought the ring, but let's not hold on,
Speaker 2: let's not okay, okay, that's still the photographer. Regardless if
Speaker 2: Bella knew anyways, I don't want to take off the
Speaker 2: dad's a bad movie. That photographer needs to be focused,
Speaker 2: be focused, because you should know why you're there. Yes, now, yeah,
Speaker 2: but she didn't know.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she's like FBI agent. Like when I when
Speaker 1: I bought her an engagement ring, we were in Colorado
Speaker 1: and her mom booked her a massage, and Bella was like,
Speaker 1: why why did my mom booked me a massage?
Speaker 2: Something's up today because it was so uncharacteristic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess, but it's not. She gets massages all
Speaker 1: the time. Anyways, it was snowing outside in Colorado. I
Speaker 1: went and bought the ring. We got back and she
Speaker 1: was like they're acting all weird. She went in the garage,
Speaker 1: looked at her mom's tires of her car, felt them
Speaker 1: that they were wet, and knew that we must have
Speaker 1: left the house so and she knew I wouldn't bought
Speaker 1: the ring because we had left our phones at home,
Speaker 1: so our locations looked. She's like FBI agent.
Speaker 2: That's a little bit on you, guys. I too. If
Speaker 2: you know she's like FBI agent, then you gotta make
Speaker 2: sure tires aren't warm. You get an uber could have ubered,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I've never thought about that. I can't
Speaker 2: believe the photography did that though.
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Speaker 2: Your realtor, you were home? How do you know that
Speaker 2: you were really that? How long? How long did you
Speaker 2: do that?
Speaker 1: So during my first publishing deal, my first year, I
Speaker 1: wasn't making very much money, and I was like, I
Speaker 1: just wanted to have a little bit of money to
Speaker 1: go to dinner or something, and so I got my
Speaker 1: real estate license. I love real estate.
Speaker 2: How hard was it to get that license?
Speaker 1: Not hard, You just have to You just have to
Speaker 1: do it. And I got my real estate license because
Speaker 1: I just wanted one. I wanted to see if I
Speaker 1: could do it when I wanted to learn about it
Speaker 1: because at one point, hopefully if I was successful, I
Speaker 1: wanted to learn about real estate like a lot of
Speaker 1: people have been very successful in real estate, especial with
Speaker 1: investing and whatever. I don't have my license anymore, by
Speaker 1: the way, but I got my license and I sold
Speaker 1: one house. You still I sold one house in the
Speaker 1: in the Sylvan Park. Was your picture on the front
Speaker 1: of the thing?
Speaker 2: Do you have it like a thing?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: I didn't.
Speaker 1: I was too cheap. I didn't even buy I din't.
Speaker 1: I don't even know if I bought real estate agent
Speaker 1: like business cards.
Speaker 2: Can I read your zelobio?
Speaker 1: Do I have a zilobio?
Speaker 2: I don't know. You tell me of this? You or
Speaker 2: not enthusiastic and motivated to create a seamless real estate
Speaker 2: experience for you? Please allow me to introduce myself. Originally
Speaker 2: from the Bay Area, with generational ties to the greater
Speaker 2: Nashville area. I've been a resident of Tennessee for the
Speaker 2: last five years, and I loved every minute of it.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: I graduate. I graduated from Belmont University with a music
Speaker 2: business degree, and along with furthering my exciting career in
Speaker 2: real estate, I've been a professional songwriter in Nashville since graduation. Wow.
Speaker 2: I've come from a family of real estate investors who
Speaker 2: taught me the importance of investing wisely and using the
Speaker 2: power of real estate to create an abundance of benefits
Speaker 2: in life, both financially and practically. I pride myself if
Speaker 2: you put a melody behind it, Did I think you
Speaker 2: got to hit here?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I pride myself on my ability to communicate thoroughly, my
Speaker 2: passion for helping others, and my drive to use real
Speaker 2: estate to excel in a volatile society. Only one more sentence.
Speaker 2: There's nothing like finding a house that feels like home,
Speaker 2: or letting go of one to move on to greener pastures.
Speaker 1: All that for one sale.
Speaker 2: Did you write that?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you wrote that yourself.
Speaker 1: You know what it's crazy too, is what was I
Speaker 1: just gonna talk about? Oh? I just bought my house
Speaker 1: in twel South like three months ago. My real estate
Speaker 1: license expired like two months ago, So I could have
Speaker 1: saved You.
Speaker 2: Could have got part of the feet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I didn't let again. So now one of
Speaker 1: the i've met. I met a friend who was my
Speaker 1: real estate agent. Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 2: It sold two houses. What would have been fun was
Speaker 2: if like you're like, I need to find a realtor
Speaker 2: and you're like, let me just type in some keywords
Speaker 2: of like a good realtor that pops up and you
Speaker 2: type in some words than you pop up for yourself.
Speaker 2: Where did you find that? Don't worry about what we
Speaker 2: what I do and what we do.
Speaker 1: Okay, I didn't even know that existed.
Speaker 2: I was the one that bought the house for you before.
Speaker 2: You just didn't realize that was me. Uh you guys,
Speaker 2: you can follow Ben at Ben We already said all
Speaker 2: this but Ben dot Williams dot music too many dots
Speaker 2: for me. But you know og Yeah, yeah for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 2: congratulations mans like pretty cool, so happy. Yeah. Sometimes it's like, man,
Speaker 2: somebody's had some success. You're a young guy, like a
Speaker 2: wonder No, I like you. Oh yeah, it's good and
Speaker 2: I appreciate that the compliments about this, and man, I
Speaker 2: just hair salon is like that, like that's one of
Speaker 2: the song. If you were to go like of the
Speaker 2: past like five to seven years, like, what's a song
Speaker 2: that hits you sideways and you're like, oh, that's it,
Speaker 2: that's it, whatever, that that's one of those songs.
Speaker 1: So I had no idea I'd be talking about that
Speaker 1: song today, which is so cool. And by the way,
Speaker 1: like I didn't even I literally Major Bob was my
Speaker 1: first publishing deal. I love them, We have a great relationship.
Speaker 1: I for two years, I filed all the papers in
Speaker 1: the back and I would go back and forth between
Speaker 1: Bobbycasts and the writer is. I mean, I probably listened
Speaker 1: to all of the first three hundred episodes, and I
Speaker 1: even remember being at Belmont like on the track team
Speaker 1: and listening to Gorley's episode and just like all and
Speaker 1: just being in awe. I think I stayed up until
Speaker 1: like one am listening to that podcast before it tracked me.
Speaker 1: This podcast really changed my life, no thanks, and got
Speaker 1: me so inspired, And it's crazy to me that in
Speaker 1: so full circle and so cool that I'm even here
Speaker 1: looking at that really cool picture of me behind you.
Speaker 2: Oh, we're not recording this. This was just it's to
Speaker 2: make a wish. Yeah, yeah, you don't know yet, but
Speaker 2: you're gonna be giving us some bad news. So yeah,
Speaker 2: this is just it was about to come in Uh
Speaker 2: you guys followed Ben. Been good to see you, buddy,
Speaker 2: h This was awesome and once it gets a little
Speaker 2: we played pickleball a lot. Yeah, I woop pross butt.
Speaker 2: I believe I woop pross.
Speaker 1: But have you played with Ashley?
Speaker 2: He's really no, But but so Gator. You know Gator here.
Speaker 1: I just met Gator.
Speaker 2: So he plays over at Ashley. They played basketball a
Speaker 2: lot too. But the basketball games are albably so late.
Speaker 2: I can never go because they're like, we're playing at
Speaker 2: a forty five PM and I'm like, guys, i gotta
Speaker 2: get up in two hours, right, But Getter's like he's
Speaker 2: got courts, but my schedule is so weird with the hours.
Speaker 2: But I think that's a place, and I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: divite ash over here too. But yeah, yeah Gators, like
Speaker 2: they're playing like costumes and crap over there.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Mandy Ashley's wife like they have like a
Speaker 1: women's league and everything. Your wife should play too, she wants.
Speaker 2: My wife is such an annoyingly good athlete, but like
Speaker 2: is it's so annoying. She's such a good athlete and
Speaker 2: does not care.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's like my Bella is so good. I love golf.
Speaker 1: Bella is she was on the high school golf team,
Speaker 1: and she's so good at golf. I can't even convince
Speaker 1: her to come plain.
Speaker 2: Really. Every once in a while, I get Caitlyn to
Speaker 2: play pickleball. Read Yeah, she's good, Say it's good, Say
Speaker 2: say more.
Speaker 1: She whooped us.
Speaker 2: And he whooped us as the team, and read's gotten
Speaker 2: pretty good, and she like she is, but she just
Speaker 2: has she's yeah, you know, she got stuff to do.
Speaker 2: You gotta read a book or something. And I'm like,
Speaker 2: I would never read a single day thing if I
Speaker 2: was reading.
Speaker 1: Because Bella she loves, she loves yeah, and.
Speaker 2: If she can't for some reason, it's dead. Uh, she'll
Speaker 2: get it up, put on her phone too, and read
Speaker 2: it on her phone like she loves. She read like
Speaker 2: there's a lot of sex stuff. No, no, it's not. I'm
Speaker 2: just I was going it's not. She it's pretty diverse.
Speaker 2: And sometimes I don't even ask because it moves from
Speaker 2: one book to the other. And then sometimes if I ask,
Speaker 2: I really don't want to hear about it. I'll be
Speaker 2: honest with you. I don't like, and then I don't
Speaker 2: want to get lectured about how much because there's I
Speaker 2: will check out for a couple of months of time
Speaker 2: of reading at all, because I'm just like I get
Speaker 2: in seasons of book reading, like I'll kill a book
Speaker 2: and I'm done. And sometimes you'll be like, maybe you
Speaker 2: should read more, And I also don't want to have
Speaker 2: that lecture. Some might can even.
Speaker 1: Acquire Yeah, that's a really good reason not to ask.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or she'll be like, while you're over there swiping
Speaker 2: on TikTok, I'm over here reading about you know, are
Speaker 2: you a tiktokst It's the greatest, It's the it's what
Speaker 2: the iPhone, penicillin, TikTok, the carriage built onto the horse,
Speaker 2: maybe the four greatest dintions ever, and a pencil not adventure,
Speaker 2: but I guess like a discovery.
Speaker 1: So it was TikTok actually getting banned in January.
Speaker 2: No, that'll never happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I'll never happened. I
Speaker 1: never go on it, but maybe I should.
Speaker 2: Why TikTok is great is because it doesn't matter what
Speaker 2: your thing is. There's a corner of the universe that
Speaker 2: is built specifically for you and for me. It happens
Speaker 2: to be a lot of sports stuff, but like nineties wrestling,
Speaker 2: you know old it like old like a bunch of
Speaker 2: like early two thousands nineties music like alternative. So there's
Speaker 2: just whatever like your thing is, it's it's unlimited.
Speaker 1: I'm a YouTube guy, like I've been watching YouTube for it,
Speaker 1: like I watch YouTube shorts.
Speaker 2: Oh so you're a TikTok guy. Then just a different format, yeah,
Speaker 2: a different name. My problem is just cooking stuff like
Speaker 2: you like it.
Speaker 1: Like there's this guy, La Try guy, and he just
Speaker 1: goes to all the different like worst places, like the
Speaker 1: best worst food for you places you can and I
Speaker 1: just watch. I just get hungry. That's all I do.
Speaker 1: It's really my That would be like my A perfect
Speaker 1: Friday night is I throw on like Diners, Drivens and dives.
Speaker 1: I have the fire pit and I go on door
Speaker 1: Dash and I'll get like two vastly different cuisines like
Speaker 1: Indian and Mexican, and I'll watch food videos and chill.
Speaker 1: That's like heaven.
Speaker 2: That's even more ludicrous than me saying penicillin and talking
Speaker 2: about the greatest. Uh. Been good to talk to you, Bunny.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, thanks for listening to a Bobby
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