1 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: I was like a communications political science major, but I 2 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: sat down. I was just messing around. College kid played 3 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: three chords in like a whole song, just like blew 4 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: out with a twist and everything. I was like, what 5 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 1: is that? Why can't I do that? And like all 6 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: I want to do is do that again. 7 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 2: Ben Williams Tennessee Orange Jam, I'm Not Pretty jam, Megan 8 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 2: Maroney Songs, Lucky Jam. He's got a bunch, Riley Green 9 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 2: turning Dirt. I mean he's got a bunch. We talk 10 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 2: about a lot of them here. Ben Williams just received 11 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 2: the ass Caap Award for I'm Not Pretty, which basically 12 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:43,480 Speaker 2: means he made a whole lot of money on that song. Yeah, 13 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 2: whenever I read those awards, that's what it means. His 14 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 2: name is Ben Williams. He has been in Nashville for 15 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 2: just a bit now. He writes for Tape Room Music 16 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 2: and Warner Chapel and he's kind of crushed it. But 17 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 2: he's always been crushing it in a way, working hard though, 18 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 2: Like he ran cross country and college. I got a 19 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 2: whole story about how he got here because of that. 20 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 2: He was a d one track athlete. I'm always so 21 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 2: jealous of guys that can do sports and music at 22 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 2: a high level. He got his first publishing deal shortly 23 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 2: after graduation. We talked about that coming up. I really 24 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 2: liked this guy. He was working as a realtor before 25 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 2: making it a songwriter. We get to that, you feel 26 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 2: like you tried to bury that a little bit. We 27 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 2: found it. Yeah, we found it. He was surprised we 28 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 2: found it. Yeah, because we found the description of his work, 29 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:27,199 Speaker 2: like his bio, a little headshot. It's awesome, So let's 30 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 2: get to it. He was both Megan Maroney and Averyanna's 31 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 2: first Nashville co write, and it's Ben Williams. Again. I 32 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 2: always remember how somebody made me feel more than all 33 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 2: the things that we said, because I do a lot 34 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 2: of these, And after hanging out with Ben and Mike 35 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 2: and I were just kind of going over some stuff, 36 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 2: I was like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember when 37 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 2: he said that, But mostly I was like, man, I 38 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 2: remember liking the guy a whole lot. So hope you 39 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 2: enjoy the stories here. He is episode four ninety five 40 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 2: of The Bobbycast. It is Ben Williams. So I want 41 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 2: to rewind a couple steps as you drink your prime? 42 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 2: Is that Jake Paul or Ron Paul Senator Ron Paul's 43 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 2: drink ru Paul. 44 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: Man. 45 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 2: There's a lot of stuff to unpack just from the 46 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 2: first few minutes of me sitting down. First of all, Read, 47 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 2: who is like my guy who travels with me, shoots edits, 48 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 2: He's like my creative director. He was talking about how 49 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 2: insane someone has to be to run in this weather, 50 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 2: and I agree. First of all, I hate running much less. 51 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 2: It's today's cold, and you may be if you're listening 52 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 2: to us in Boston or Maine or Washington State, like, 53 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 2: we get it. We don't know cold like you do, 54 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 2: right Montana. Where'd you grow up? 55 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: By the way, California? 56 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 2: Yea, what party CANDU for California. 57 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: Outside of San Francisco. 58 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 2: I got the cold and peace, semi cold, Michael at 59 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 2: times cold at times cold. Yeah, so save the you 60 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 2: don't know cold, okay, cold relative not you. I'm talking. 61 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 2: I'm talking like the people listening right now. Yeah, it's 62 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 2: cold here for us right now, it's cold. It's sucks. 63 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 2: And so Read was like, you got to be crazy. 64 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 2: But he saw that. We think he saw you running literally, 65 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 2: which is hilarious. So why do you run outside when 66 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 2: it's this cold. Well, because I know you got a 67 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 2: fancy watch on and you can afford a gym membership, 68 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 2: And I'm saying, so, what's what's to do? 69 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: I love running, Like I ran track and cross for Belmont. 70 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: I'm still a big runner. 71 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:25,639 Speaker 2: But you were a college runner. 72 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I don't look like. 73 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:32,239 Speaker 2: It's so legit as anything. If you're an athlete, that's 74 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 2: so legit. I had no idea, that's okay, keep going. 75 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: Well this morning. It's funny because I was gonna go 76 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: run on the treadmill, but I have an old car 77 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: and the power steering was leaking this morning, and I 78 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: called the mechanic guy. He's like, I have room in 79 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: the shop if you bring it over this morning. And 80 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: my fiance was already gone, and so I was like, 81 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: I don't really feel like ubering back. I could get 82 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: my run in. So I dropped the car off in 83 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: East Nashville and ran home. 84 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 2: So he saw, yeah, your run was dropping your car 85 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 2: off running out. Yeah, by the way, Belmont D one, 86 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 2: you're a runner at a D one school. 87 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: I was man like I was, and I still am 88 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: a runner. I'm trying to get I broke my foot 89 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: really bad, like five months ago, and I'm just starting 90 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: to run again. 91 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 2: So like, how'd you break your foot? 92 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: I fell off. I fell off an electric scooter leaving 93 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: the bar in twelve soeuths. No, it was my own 94 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: electric scooter too, which makes it worse. 95 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 2: Oh dang to see. So hold on, there's just such 96 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 2: an dichotomy of elements here. One you're like my old 97 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 2: car that's leaking fluid, and again you have a very 98 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 2: nice watch on, and again you own your own electric scooter. 99 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 2: So why don't you have a nicer car with the 100 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 2: success that you It just doesn't all miss cars. Okay, 101 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,919 Speaker 2: fair enough, fair enough, Okay, we're gonna get there. No, No, 102 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 2: we're gonna get there. Uh so hard having I'm just 103 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 2: I'm allowing me to be curious about something that maybe 104 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 2: you don't get asked about a lot. But you ran 105 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 2: in high school, I'm assuming at a high level. 106 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:55,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, I ran in high school. 107 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 2: What'd you run? 108 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 1: I ran the eight hundred and the mile in high school? 109 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 1: But I played football, so I didn't get to run 110 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 1: cross country until I got to college, which was really hard. 111 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 2: So for those that and I wouldn't say I'm a 112 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 2: big track guy, but we had to run track in 113 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 2: high school football. Our coach made us. It was kind 114 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 2: of like, if you play for me, I'm also the 115 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 2: track coach, you gotta go run track. So four eight 116 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 2: hundred is two laps and a mile is four laps. Yeah, 117 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 2: and it both sucked. 118 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, they both suck. Yeah, they both running kind of 119 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 1: sucks unless you love it. 120 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 2: Running sucks. It does. Running. To me, I've had trouble 121 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 2: the most I've ever ran a ten miles at one time. 122 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 1: That's pretty good. 123 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really good. I'm gonna I want to pat 124 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 2: myself on the back. It's awesome for me because I 125 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 2: struggle with running because it's it's much. It's physical, absolutely, 126 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 2: but it's it's very mental. 127 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 1: It's super mental. 128 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 2: You gotta go somewhere else. 129 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: I like one of the reasons that I'm even like, well, 130 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: I'm getting back into shape anyways right now. But like 131 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: I have, like I always, I'm such a goal person 132 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 1: and my like fitness goal like for now is to 133 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: do to do an iron Man, Like I really want 134 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: to do an iron Man, and one of my buddies 135 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: and I are planning to do on April of twenty 136 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: twenty six. And one thing when you were just talking 137 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: about like how hard it is mentally is I was like, Okay, 138 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: an iron Man's cool, but like I'll just listen to 139 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: podcasts all the time, where I'll listen to music. I 140 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 1: didn't know that in an iron Man you can't have headphones. 141 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 1: You can't have phones. It's like you versus the road 142 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 1: for twelve thirteen hours. It sucks. Oh my, I'm like, h. 143 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 2: On a micro machine level, I've done a couple Olympic 144 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 2: traf lines WHOA, which I don't have the balls that 145 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 2: you have to I'm just not the athlete that you 146 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 2: naturally are. But I've done two Olympic traf lines and 147 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 2: to me, that was that. Yeah. They're like, no, you 148 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 2: can't listen to anything. Yeah, And I'm like, wait, I'm 149 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 2: not trying to win, like I'm like competing for a scholarship. 150 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 2: I want to listen to crab Yeah, And they were 151 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 2: like you could like and They're like, you'd have a 152 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 2: star next to your name. And at first I was like, 153 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 2: what do I have a crap if there's a star 154 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 2: next to my name? But then it started to weigh 155 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 2: on me. I was like I don't want to start 156 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 2: next thing convinced me that I didn't want that star 157 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 2: next to my name. So but yeah, it was. That's 158 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 2: very difficult. The swimming part. You don't listen and this 159 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 2: stuff anyway because when you swim and the again, I'm 160 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 2: not comparing what I did to what you're training. 161 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: You can't take that away. That's really good. 162 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 2: Because it was a mile swim. Mine was. 163 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: It was a mile very far for anybody who doesn't. 164 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 2: Know, Oh dude, it sucked. It's the only panic attack 165 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 2: I've ever really had because I had only trained because 166 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 2: I was such a novice at any of the endurance 167 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 2: type sports that I trained in pools with a black 168 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 2: line at the bottle. 169 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: That's what I'm gonna do too. 170 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 2: Never got into open water, so my didn't think about it. 171 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 2: I was like, if I could swim a mile, I 172 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 2: swim mile. Got into open water and you're in with 173 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 2: a bunch of dudes that are your age, dudes that 174 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 2: know what they're doing, and I'm swimming. There's no black 175 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 2: line to look at and swim and keep me straight, 176 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 2: so I can't. I don't know I'm going I'm off track. 177 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 2: They have to bring a little canoe to put you 178 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 2: back on. Today, yeah, people are swimming over the top 179 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 2: of me and it's in the water. Like I had 180 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 2: a panic attack to like, oh my god, I thought 181 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 2: I was gonna have to quit. I don't quit anything. 182 00:07:57,800 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 2: I thought I was gonna have to quit one of 183 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 2: the most product because I didn't. I just refocused. But 184 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 2: then once I got out of the water, and you 185 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 2: have to put your because you're in a wetsuit, you 186 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 2: have to change out of the wet suit and you 187 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 2: go and the by cycling is now, yes, there's nothing 188 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 2: to listen to. It sucks. No. So when you're gonna 189 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 2: do that, it's like, how far was your cycle? Like 190 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 2: twenty twenty six miles? That's still a good It's not 191 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 2: one hundred like yours. 192 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's gonna be insane. 193 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 2: Like you're if you may help me with the stats 194 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 2: and what you're training for, but your miles like two 195 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 2: and a half. 196 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: The swim is two point four, cycle is one and 197 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: twelve and then and then marathon, which is. 198 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 2: Why I don't even compare the two. But that's that's 199 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 2: a that's a cool goal. The hard the hardest thing 200 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 2: is doing again, are you training four? 201 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: Now? I'm just starting because I have like a year 202 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: and a half to do that too. 203 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 2: I got five months. 204 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: It's so fast. 205 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:52,959 Speaker 2: The hardest part was doing the training days where you 206 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 2: had to do two it once, meaning you had to 207 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 2: cycle and swim, because it's like, I'm I supposed to 208 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 2: do that, right, It's not. There's like a course at 209 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 2: the house where you do. So you go to the wine, 210 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 2: you swim, and you try to find a place to 211 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 2: ride it by I was. 212 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,839 Speaker 1: Telling read too like I'm I'm not a morning person, 213 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: so like I'm gonna have to like become a morning person. 214 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 2: I'm not a morning person either. I hate morning. 215 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: So hey, if you ever get back into cycling, we 216 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: have a I. 217 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 2: Don't even want to hear the answer. No, I will 218 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 2: never get I was never rid of cycling. 219 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no. 220 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 2: It's not that I'll never not get back in. I 221 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 2: will never get it. I hate no. The answer is no, 222 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 2: that's one whatever. I'll never get in running again because 223 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 2: I just never wanted to begin with too. But there's 224 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 2: something about the mental commitment that mental gymnastics I would 225 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 2: have to do at times to get through a seven, 226 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,319 Speaker 2: eight ten mile run where I would just have to 227 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 2: wrote about it in my second book, I would just 228 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 2: have to run tree to tree because if I started 229 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 2: going out three more miles, I would start to break down. Yeah, 230 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 2: so as a runner back to what you did, Yeah, 231 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 2: so you were a football player, first. 232 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,199 Speaker 1: Football player in high school, and I thought that was 233 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: what I was gonna do, like, and I thought that 234 00:09:57,520 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: was going to help me get to college. And then 235 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: I broke my coll bone really bad senior year and 236 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 1: running I was way better at running. I just thought 237 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: I was cool because I was like on the football team. 238 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: I wanted to play football. But then I broke my 239 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: collarbone and that went out the window senior year and 240 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: then I originally went to Santa Clara University in California 241 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: before Belmont, and that's where I ran. I ran a 242 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: Belmont too, but that's where I went for my first 243 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: year and ran track and cross country there. But that 244 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:23,079 Speaker 1: was the first place I ever ran cross country. The 245 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: first time I ever went in across country meet was 246 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: literally a Division one cross country meet at Stanford, and 247 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: I was three miles in because in college it's eight k, 248 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: so it's five miles versus high school it's five k. 249 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 2: And so then again because I don't I'm not familiar, so. 250 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: In high school across country, the distance is five. 251 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 2: K okay, so like a five K. I've run five 252 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 2: k's before or whatever it is. 253 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: And in college it's an eight k, so it's a 254 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: five mile race. So my first race at Stanford, I 255 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: dropped out like two miles in. I was like, this 256 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: is insane. And at that time we're running like four 257 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: fifty five pace for five miles. And my second race 258 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: was like, I'm not dropping out. I'm gonna finish this race. 259 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: And I got a half mile away and I passed out. 260 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 2: No way, God dropped you. 261 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: I ran until I passed out because I was like, 262 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna not All my teammates were like you 263 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 1: suck like whatever. I was like, I'm gonna finish this race, 264 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:15,319 Speaker 1: and so I was like I might as well try. 265 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk about the first one. When you when 266 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 2: you when you say you dropped out, you chose I 267 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 2: don't think I'm gonna make it. I'm just gonna pull up. Yeah, 268 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 2: you grab like a hamstring, because I would even if 269 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:25,959 Speaker 2: I would know. 270 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: And what's funny too, is like my parents were there 271 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: because it was my first cross country race and they 272 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: lived nearby and they were wearing all this Santa Clara stuff, 273 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 1: and I pulled out like I didn't know where they were, 274 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: and I literally stopped like right next to them, and 275 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: I could see them like looking for me, and I 276 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: was right next to them, and I was like, hey, guys, 277 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: like what are you doing. I was like, this is 278 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: really hard. 279 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm ready for this yet. I'm 280 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 2: so curious about you pulling out of the race because 281 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 2: obviously looking at yours and again this is fast forward, 282 00:11:54,640 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 2: looking at your success rate as a creator, which means 283 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 2: there's a lot of failure to have a success in 284 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 2: this world, a lot of failure, which means you don't quit. 285 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 2: Why'd you quit? 286 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:10,439 Speaker 1: It was? It was really it's kind of the when 287 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: you were having a panic attack in the water. I 288 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:17,319 Speaker 1: was in such a new environment that i'd never been in, 289 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: at such a high level that I had never been in, 290 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,719 Speaker 1: surrounded by the best runners in the nation, and we 291 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 1: were going so fast, and I had just started to 292 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: feel what I had come to learn is a normal 293 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: feeling and across country race of oh, I can't, Oh, 294 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 1: I can't do this, this really hurts, which is what 295 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: I learned. The next three miles of across country race. 296 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 1: That's normal. 297 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 2: It's emotional and physical at the same time. Yeah, that's 298 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 2: what happened to me. Yeah, when you said that, that 299 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 2: makes a lot more sense. 300 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. 301 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 2: And you passed out though the second time. 302 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 1: Oh, that was so funny. You'll actually think this is funny. 303 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: I was four and a half miles in and it 304 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: was our it was our home meet at Santa Clara 305 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 1: called the Bronco Invite, so all the other teams were 306 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,199 Speaker 1: there too, which made it even better. But I was 307 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: four and a half miles and I could just I 308 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: was so close, and I could just feel like my 309 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: head starting to go back in my body, and I 310 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:07,199 Speaker 1: was like, I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm gonna do this, 311 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, it was just gone, 312 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: and I like woke up. I remember I woke up 313 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: and there were people right there and they're like, what 314 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: school do you go to? And I was red shirting 315 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: at the time, so I was wearing my high school uniform. 316 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: My high school was Burlin Game, and they're like, what 317 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 1: high school do you go to? And I went burger 318 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: King and they're like, get this guy out of here. 319 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 2: Clear, I get this guy out of here. So you 320 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 2: could still run red shirting. The would allow you to run. 321 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,319 Speaker 2: You just couldn't run officially with the school exactly. 322 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: So you buy another year pretty much. 323 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't know they would because you can't. Well, 324 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 2: in football, you can play four weeks in college and 325 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 2: then still red shirt, but you played more than that. 326 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 2: You can't. But it's not like you can play all 327 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 2: the games. 328 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, you just enter unattached. Yeah, so I could technically, 329 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 1: I think. 330 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 2: Could you have run every race red shirted just to 331 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 2: see what you do? 332 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, my freshman year because they were like, this kid's 333 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: never run cross country before? How is well? Redshirt? 334 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 2: Why'd you come to bellmin Then? 335 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: So I was at Santa Clara and that was when 336 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: I first started writing songs. I didn't grow up musical 337 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: at all. Like my brother plays a guitar, My parents 338 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: aren't musical nothing. 339 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 2: I wondered if part of the reason was because of music. 340 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: One hundred because of music. And I grew up on country. 341 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: My mom's from Pegram and so like that was my 342 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: whole life. I was all I'd listened to is country music. 343 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: Still that's still all I listened to. 344 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 2: But you didn't play it. 345 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: I didn't play it. I had a keyboard in my 346 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: dorm room that my brother taught me like a few 347 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: chords on at Santa Clara, and so I was sitting there. 348 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: It was like it was December. I remember, like it 349 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: was right before winter break freshman year, and I sat 350 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: down and like played like CG. E. Minor whatever, the 351 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: simplest thing I knew. And I was like a communications 352 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: political science major, so like music wasn't even a thought. 353 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: But I sat down, I was just messing around college kid, 354 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: played three chords and like a whole song just like 355 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: flew out with a twist and everything, and it was terrible. 356 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: All of our first songs are terrible. But I was like, 357 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: what is that? Why can I do that? And like 358 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: all all I want to do is do that again? 359 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: And so like literally every day like till today, like 360 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: since then, I just was writing. And at the end 361 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: of that year, so I was on quarters, so I 362 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: guess I finished. Like June. I was just like I 363 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: got it. I don't know what. I didn't even know obviously, 364 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: I didn't know that songwriting was a job. I didn't 365 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: know anything. I was just like I have to be 366 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: in Nashville, and Nashville is like home to me too. 367 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: So I was like this, that just feels right. And 368 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: so I told my parents and they're like, hmmm, I 369 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: don't know about that. And I was like, okay, well whatever, 370 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: I'm going to figure it out kind of on my 371 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: own for a second. And so I went to I 372 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: didn't even really know Belmont was a school. I just 373 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: knew Vandy was a school in Nashville. So I like 374 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: went online and I looked up like track team Vanderbilt 375 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: cause I was like, however I was gonna get here 376 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: was going to be through running. And so I found 377 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: out that Vanderbilt doesn't have a men's track team. They 378 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: only have a club cross country team, and I wasn't 379 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: very good at cross country, so they weren't gonna want me. 380 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: So then I was like other colleges in Nashville, and 381 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: I found Belmont and I was like, whoa, this is 382 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: a music school, has all the stuff. Anyways, like this 383 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: seems really cool, and I called the track I literally 384 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: called the track coach and he was like uh. He 385 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I got a locker with your name 386 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: on if you want to come here, let me go 387 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: talk to admissions. And I was like right now, and 388 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, I'll go talk to him right now 389 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: if you want. He literally went and talked to admissions. 390 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: I had like a three point one or something. He's like, yeah, 391 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: you're good to come if you want, Like, just let 392 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: me know. So that same day I dropped out of 393 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: Santa Clara and like accepted admittance here. And then two 394 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: months later I was at Belmont. 395 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 2: When you're playing a few chords on a keyboard and 396 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 2: you say just kind of came out of you, and 397 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 2: not comparing how good the song was or how bad 398 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 2: the song was, because in three years you're gonna look 399 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 2: back the songs you've written now and be like, oh, 400 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 2: that song kind of sucked. Yeah for sure, So we 401 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 2: won't make those comparisons. But it is kind of weird 402 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 2: that you felt something come out of you that you 403 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 2: didn't know was there. 404 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I immediately recognized it and I was like, 405 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: that was a thing that was that was the thing 406 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: in your thing? Yeah, And I was like I just 407 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: I was I was fine at running, Like I wasn't 408 00:16:57,920 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: the good guy on the team. I didn't have the 409 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: scholarship or like anything, but like when that happened, I 410 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 1: was like, oh, oh, I don't know what this is, 411 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: but maybe I could be good at this. And then 412 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: I was I, thank god, I recognize that. Why do 413 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: you think that is? I don't know. 414 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 2: What do you think happened? 415 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 1: I really don't know. I think it was a lot 416 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: of being a freshman in college and looking for identity. 417 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: I think a lot of it too, was like I 418 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: wanted to be I feel like I wanted to be 419 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: cool so bad too, as like as a freshman in 420 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: college and on the cross country team and all your 421 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: best friends are on the baseball team, and like maybe 422 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 1: that was my own identifying factor. But I really was 423 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 1: just obsessed with it. Like I was just obsessed with 424 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: the fact that I could have some idea and some twist, 425 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: Like I remember at that time, do you remember seth 426 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,479 Speaker 1: Innis's song Woke Up in Nashville? Like I was so 427 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 1: obsessed with that song because I felt that struggle of 428 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 1: like chasing a dream and missing a girl or missing 429 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 1: your family. 430 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 2: That's before you came here. 431 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 1: That was before I came here, right, And then I 432 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,360 Speaker 1: remember like woke Up in Nashville. Then once I realized, 433 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: oh oh, there's all these twists and turns in country music, 434 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 1: like oh, he woke up, like he realized in Nashville. 435 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 1: He didn't just physically wake up in Nashville. And then 436 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: every day I just became more and more and more 437 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: obsessed with Wow, I want to be I want to 438 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: be able to do that. 439 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 2: Anybody in your family musical at all uncle's aunts. And 440 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 2: I guess I asked that because even if it wasn't 441 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:23,120 Speaker 2: in your house. And I don't think that you can 442 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 2: just become a good guitar player genetically, and I'm not 443 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 2: saying that about you, but but there are traits nurture 444 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 2: or nature that happened. I just wonder, did anybody. 445 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 1: My grandma like played off key organ in the Pilgrim 446 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 1: United Methodist Church, So maybe it was that. My brother 447 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: always like fingerstyle guitar playing when I was growing up too. 448 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:46,160 Speaker 2: He's younger, he played now like, Oh yeah he here, 449 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:47,439 Speaker 2: he's in Dallas. 450 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:48,120 Speaker 1: Finance guy. 451 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 2: Anybody's really good. 452 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: He's really good. Yeah. 453 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 2: I would also recommend stand financial. 454 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: And he's a really good brother. 455 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 2: You made the right decision. It's awesome. 456 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just faceime me. He just moved into 457 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: this awesome new apartment. He says. 458 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 3: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor. Wow, 459 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 3: and we're back on the Bobby Cast. 460 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 2: You ever get envious of. 461 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: That more structured life, No, not at all. I think 462 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 1: maybe the like security of it maybe, but like we 463 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: were just at home. My mom moved to Georgia and 464 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:32,120 Speaker 1: we were just there for Thanksgiving, and like I would 465 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: wake up at ten and go to the driving range 466 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: and like you know, hit some balls or whatever on 467 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:39,439 Speaker 1: a workday, and he'd be, you know, working on an 468 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: Excel sheet, And like, I was not envious at all, 469 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: but I'm very supportive. That's awesome for you. 470 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I feel that way too, about eighty eight 471 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 2: percent of the time. Like, I love that I've been 472 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 2: able to craft this path. At times it feels like 473 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 2: a machete with metal trees. Yeah, you know, at times 474 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 2: other things have come bitty year and I would not 475 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,199 Speaker 2: change it, but I definitely would not recommend it to 476 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 2: anybody ever, for sure, because there is no security. 477 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 1: There's no security. And like I'm sure, like I know 478 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: a bunch of your story too. We'll get into that. 479 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 2: No, we won't. We'll get into what I want to say, 480 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 2: we get into Okay, you never. 481 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: I really want to tell you about this this podcast effect, but. 482 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 2: We're just security this world. 483 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: I think that. I think that it's very hard at 484 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: the beginning because like for me, the convincing of people 485 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: who didn't even know this world existed, and that's sort 486 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: of like, how does that work? Why are you doing that? 487 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: That doesn't make sense? Do you want to be poor forever? Like, 488 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,439 Speaker 1: don't do that? That sucks? And if you're not willing 489 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 1: to be like, hey, guys, just I don't know how 490 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: long this is going to take, but just like let 491 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,640 Speaker 1: me do this. I think that's that's the struggle. Really, 492 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: it's not. I don't It was never the personal struggle 493 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: for me. It was all the outside doubt and even 494 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 1: if you know, like my parents are very supportive, thankfully, 495 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: I've had a lot of support in my life, but 496 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: like everybody's still doubtful until it works, and I think, 497 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: and then you keep doubting that, and then doubt is 498 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: contagious and constant. Yeah, And I just try to outweigh 499 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: that out because it out never even goes for it. 500 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 1: And at this point I've had a relatively good amount 501 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: of success. Yeah that you see, same with you. 502 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 2: I could read every song you've freaking written that I think, 503 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 2: but you'd be like, well, let me show these two 504 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 2: hundred that nobody we didn't even demo, you know much. 505 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,679 Speaker 2: So you know we're we're aiming for like a one 506 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 2: to fifty batting average here, and that's wildly successful. 507 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: Wildly Yeah. 508 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 2: The security part is I would never recommend it to anybody, 509 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 2: but I love it for me, I guess because and 510 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 2: I think the key for me, and the key for 511 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:57,120 Speaker 2: anybody in this world is to remain, is to continue 512 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 2: to remain to be highly irrational. 513 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:00,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, that you have to be. 514 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 2: You have to be so irrational about what you can do. 515 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 2: It doesn't mean you can't do it. Being really, I 516 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,439 Speaker 2: think I can do anything in the world, and I 517 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 2: have to think I have to be so irrational about 518 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 2: it for sure even have a shot at doing anything 519 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 2: on a big level. 520 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I think that too, Like the twelve percent, right, 521 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: Like that's not the eighty eight percent, like even with me, 522 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 1: like like I just sold the only songs that were 523 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: really like paying for my life, right and so your 524 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: catalog Yeah yeah yeah, and so like right now, like 525 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: I don't have a draw, I don't have a salary, 526 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,479 Speaker 1: I don't have anything, like I have things and whatever, 527 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 1: Like I'm fine, but like when I go when I 528 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: look at my asscap statement anymore, like it's not what 529 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: it was because I sold sure, and so things like that. Though, 530 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 1: like that twelve percent you're talking about that keeps you 531 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 1: up at night or whatever you'll feel in the morning. 532 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: I actually think that's the reason why we are able 533 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 1: to do what we do, because that twelve percent makes 534 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 1: us want to work even harder. It makes me want 535 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 1: to do you know, a nine am and eleven am 536 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: and a three pm tomorrow. Because it's very irrational what's. 537 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 2: Next, because people look from ten thousand feet up and 538 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 2: be like, bro, you're doing good. Why are you working 539 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 2: yourself so hard? Why are you putting this pressure on yourself? 540 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 1: Why? 541 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 2: But it's like two layers of being a rational one 542 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 2: for you to feel like you still have to go 543 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 2: so hard, but that's also what got you here. And 544 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 2: that never just leaves, that never just checks it, that 545 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,719 Speaker 2: never just checks out of the hotel. Sure, that's what 546 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 2: I talk to friends about. Actually, I'll have friends and 547 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 2: with athletes, and I consider athletes and artists high performing 548 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,120 Speaker 2: this kind of the same mentality, and that if you're 549 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,199 Speaker 2: driven and you win a super Bowl or you're great. 550 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 2: It's not like you go, well, I won my Super Bowl, 551 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 2: I'm good now, because what's inside of you is what 552 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 2: got you to that point to be great, and it 553 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 2: doesn't just check out like you leave in a hotel. 554 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 2: It's still the same thing with how you do your career. 555 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,439 Speaker 2: You can have fifty You could be Ashley Gorley, who 556 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 2: I know, and he's very he's good. Yeah, but again 557 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 2: if you ask him, he's probably like, can I stay relevant? 558 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 2: Can I do? And so that that ought. So that's 559 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 2: an irrational part of it. And then also just believing 560 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 2: that you're good enough to keep going on a high level. 561 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 2: That's so irrational. We should not be we should not 562 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 2: think that. But if we don't think that, we can't 563 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,120 Speaker 2: do this right right right. 564 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 1: No, And even Ashley like he's my new deal. I 565 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: just signed with him. And it's unbelievable to watch, truly 566 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,199 Speaker 1: the goat the greatest of all time. I don't think 567 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,120 Speaker 1: anybody will ever taught him, like to watch the pace 568 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: he goes and just the amount of love too, like 569 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: on top of how much he does for himself that 570 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: he shows for our team and just you know, he 571 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,640 Speaker 1: had to go to something immediately after the party too, 572 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: and his wife is there, his kids are there. It's unbelievable. 573 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 2: But never to check out that you know, you don't 574 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 2: check out, and it's awesome and awful and more awesome 575 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 2: than awful. 576 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: I think we all kind of want to at some point. 577 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 2: I think it feels good to think we could. 578 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, I would love. 579 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 2: To be able to not be so neurotic and anxious. 580 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 2: I don't sleep well, and it's not it's just because 581 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 2: I am concerned about being places on time, getting everything done, 582 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 2: not letting anybody down. Can I still be creative when 583 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 2: my schedule is packed? So? But then I'm doing that. 584 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 2: That's energy even just thinking about that, I'd being anxius about. 585 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 2: That's energy that I wish I didn't waste being anxious, 586 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 2: but I do, and I am. And like, there's a 587 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 2: screw loose. But for me it's been the right screw 588 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 2: same thing for you, there's really cool. There's a bit 589 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 2: of a screw loose there has to be for even 590 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 2: move here. Yeah, Like that's not who does that? No, 591 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 2: it's crazy to think you can move here and make it. 592 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,360 Speaker 1: For sure, for sure, it's weird to even hear you 593 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: right there to say say that as if I have 594 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: because it doesn't feel like that, like it feels like 595 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: that's that's still to do, that's on the to do list. 596 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 2: You know, a song is you know, a song is 597 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 2: so good that I didn't know that you had written 598 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,399 Speaker 2: it until I was just looking up stuff about you. 599 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 2: But my wife and I sink because my wife is 600 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 2: a fan of it a long time. Agoes hair salon. 601 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 2: Oh my dude, it's it's my favorite. It's one of 602 00:25:55,160 --> 00:26:00,239 Speaker 2: my favorite songs. It's such a female song. Yeah, but 603 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 2: that's like the that is the freaking jam. 604 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 1: Oh thank you. So that was so that was one 605 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: of the first songs we wrote when when Meghan moved 606 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 1: to town. 607 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 2: By the way, Meg and Roney everybody, I mean to 608 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 2: speak and broken like a code language. Meghan Roney hair slon. 609 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 2: This was early early Megan Roney on TikTok. My wife 610 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 2: was like, this girl is so good. Yeah, and I 611 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 2: was like, yeah, whatever, find and I would be secretly, 612 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,680 Speaker 2: I'll be secret listening to it right right. Yeah, that song, 613 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,160 Speaker 2: it's such a great song. 614 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 1: So thank you. 615 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 2: Tell me about that. 616 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:34,400 Speaker 1: So with Meg and she's the best we So when 617 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: I had first sign my publishing deal at Major Bob. 618 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 1: I interned there for two years, which is like why 619 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 1: interned there? I filed all the papers in the back. 620 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: I listened to this podcast every day. 621 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:44,159 Speaker 2: Oh thanks, I appreciate that. 622 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,360 Speaker 1: But so I was Meg's first Nashville co write ever 623 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,120 Speaker 1: and it was on Zoom before she ever moved here. 624 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 1: So we wrote a bunch of songs on Zoom together 625 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: when she lived in Georgia before she moved here. And 626 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 1: I think hair Salon I really think was the first 627 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: rite that we ever wrote. Maybe it wasn't, but it 628 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: was like top five when she moved here. When we 629 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: sat down like in Nashville with Michael Carpenter and Mackenzie Carpenter, 630 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 1: who we've done a lot of stuff together. We call 631 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: ourselves Jimmy James. And when we wrote hair Salon specifically, 632 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know what this is, but 633 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: whatever this sound is, whatever this feel is with Megan 634 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,439 Speaker 1: is the thing, and whatever that feeling with this song is, 635 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: we need to keep until we are gray, Like this 636 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: is the vibe, this is the feeling, this is the 637 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: song that I'm so glad he said that, because I 638 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 1: truly like people will be like what's your favorite song 639 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: you've ever written. I think it's Harsalon. 640 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 2: My wife is eleven, almost twelve years younger than I am, 641 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 2: so she definitely keeps me on the Sabrina Carpenter all 642 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,400 Speaker 2: the new pop stuff, but even some of like the 643 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 2: the because I listened to a fair amount of music, 644 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 2: but then I don't sure. I mean, I'm creating content 645 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 2: all day. I don't know. It's not what it used 646 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 2: to be. But she was like, oh, this is like 647 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 2: one of the greatest songs And it wasn't even so 648 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 2: much at the time about Megan Maroney because there wasn't 649 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 2: a big body of work of hers out right. 650 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: No, it was like this second song, yeah, and. 651 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 2: She was like, this song is so good. And I 652 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 2: remember listening to it, and first of all, I don't 653 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 2: acknowledge my wife finds something great at first. It never 654 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 2: never I don't want ever, because anything I find is 655 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 2: it's never good. But she can like find TV shows 656 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 2: and music like she's great at it. So I was 657 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 2: just like, yeahs fine, it's fine. But I remember thinking 658 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 2: that is so new and refreshing and classic at the 659 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 2: same time, and it wasn't. It didn't sound it was 660 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 2: so specific yeah. Right. It was in that era too, 661 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 2: when specificity started to be written into songs. 662 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. 663 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 2: And it also was like so small town like where 664 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 2: I was from. It just hit me in like an 665 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 2: odd way that again it's such a female song, right. 666 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's fine. My parents were like, how did 667 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 1: you How did you write that? And I was like, ah, 668 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: I don't mom, We're very close. I was just thinking 669 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: about you. And they were talking about the line. 670 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 2: Though it's a gem what's the line? What's favorit line 671 00:28:58,640 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 2: where you get. 672 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 1: Who cares? Who's selling weed to the preacher's son in 673 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: the second verse? I remember like the second we wrote that. 674 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: I think a great Megan song and like a great 675 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: country song which is watched. She has so many great songs. 676 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: It make you laugh, it'll make you like cry, it'll 677 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: make you feel all the love all at the same time, 678 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: and like that song makes me laugh and then I'm like, damn, 679 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: but it's really about this this girl who's heartbroken because 680 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: her ex boyfriend just got engaged. But then you laugh 681 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: about a weed line like. 682 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 2: And then it's like and it also reminds me of 683 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 2: where I grew up. Yeah, because it's very even if 684 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,479 Speaker 2: you're not talking about a hair salon. It's there are 685 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 2: eight other places in your small town, right where that 686 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 2: dynamic is happening between just the random people, the cast 687 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 2: of characters that lives. 688 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 1: In a small to anyway, that Bernadette is a real person, 689 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 1: by the way, too, And that's Megan's dad's hairstylas. And 690 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: when that song came out, before Meg was big or anything, 691 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: she sent us a video and she's like, miss Meghan 692 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,719 Speaker 1: Maroney wrote this song about me, and she walked through 693 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 1: the salon and with the song in the background. It 694 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: was really cool. 695 00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 2: That's fine. I think she Megan's just a great, great songwriter, unreal, 696 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 2: and this town is a land of giants and singers 697 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 2: and songwriters, and it's not even that because there are 698 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 2: a lot of great songwriters. But again, she's great with 699 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 2: something to say from a perspective to say it from. 700 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 2: And you're definitely a part of that journey with her. 701 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 2: But I've said many times because she's front facing, right, 702 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 2: she's the artist for sure, so she gets the shine. 703 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 2: I was like, she is what I feel is like 704 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 2: the new generation of the great songwriter one hundred. When 705 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 2: you start writing with her, like, yeah, what is it 706 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 2: about her? 707 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 1: What her ideas? 708 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 2: I always have. 709 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,479 Speaker 1: This is the truth, Like I have a section of 710 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: my notes like ourmegan ideas. But the truth is is 711 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: when we sit down and write, and now it's a 712 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: lot less than before. We used to write all the time. 713 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 1: Now she's very busy on the road and when we write, 714 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: you know, it's specifically for an album or whatever, which 715 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 1: is awesome. She has all the ideas and even like 716 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 1: if we get stuck on something, I'll just be like, hey, 717 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: read me your ideas, and she'll like all of Tennessee Orange, 718 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: I'm not pretty, all those songs, those are her ideas 719 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: and those are her concepts. So she really think, she 720 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: really will think of a concept that everybody's going to 721 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 1: relate to in a completely different way. And then we 722 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: just got to bring it together, you know how. 723 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 2: I know that you're legit and I don't. Again, we 724 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 2: haven't met before. Yeah this, if we had it, it 725 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 2: had been in superpassing because I only we spend time together. No, Okay, 726 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 2: this is why I think I respect you already. Is 727 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 2: that anybody most folks would have said what you said 728 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 2: kind of about somebody else that they were involved in 729 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,719 Speaker 2: writing with they would have said, yeah, she's great, she 730 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 2: has great. You were pushing all the credit to her, 731 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 2: which means you are so secure, You're so secure in 732 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 2: what you bring and who you are, that you're absolutely 733 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 2: fine with taking a spotlight and going yeah, I mean 734 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 2: I was involved in that, but look boom spotlight on her. 735 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 2: Oh for sure, Like, even you doing that shows me 736 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 2: the kind of collaborator and person you are to work with. 737 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 2: So that's a compliment, Oh think, because I again appreciate it. 738 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 2: I never knew who I mean, I'd read about you, 739 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 2: I knew I knew your songs, and I was walking 740 00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 2: down until I got down here. I don't know if 741 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 2: you're gonna be cool or not. He's still not totally convinced. 742 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 2: I mean maybe sometimes run when it's like ten degrees outside, 743 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 2: I'm not. And then the song just became because hair sline, Like, 744 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 2: wasn't that was a radio song? No, not at all, 745 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 2: But then Tennessee orange monster, Yeah I'm not pretty monster. 746 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 2: Now it's like you write songs that would make other 747 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 2: people want to write with you, Like you've written such 748 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 2: big songs that if you just say, oh, yeah, he 749 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 2: was a writer on this, that alone makes you desirable 750 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 2: to write with. And that's a change. How did you 751 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 2: deal with now being the person that everybody wanted to 752 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 2: work with? 753 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: That's wow. I like him emotional about that, because like 754 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: all I ever wanted to be is that person. And 755 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: I think I talked about like you know, listening to 756 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 1: this podcast, I am such a huge, huge, huge fan 757 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 1: of songwriters in this town. Like I knew Jesse Fraser's 758 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 1: story before. Jesse and I are Ever Boys, John I Kopperman, 759 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 1: all of the guys that have been on this podcast, 760 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 1: I I idolize. And the fact that now I can 761 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: sit and call them friends and they want to write 762 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 1: with me because of those songs to me is like 763 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 1: it truly is I'm living my dream and I'm so 764 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: grateful and humbled, and it's also terrifying because like I'm 765 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 1: so grateful for those songs and now also too, like 766 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: when I if I now, thankfully, I think that I 767 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 1: have all. I've gotten all the big, big, big rights 768 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: out of the way, and thankfully I made a lot 769 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: of friends along the way. But during that year, really 770 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 1: after Tennessee, Orange probably Why I'm Not Pretty was still 771 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: on its way to being a hit. You only get 772 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 1: one chance to walk in the room with you know, 773 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 1: abz ex artist X writer and if you to walk 774 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 1: in and they're like, yeah, you might just be on 775 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: a hit song, but you might not be the reason 776 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 1: why I was a hit song. You have to prove yourself. 777 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: And I had to prove myself like not only when 778 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 1: I just got first got my publishing publishing deal before hits, 779 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 1: but then after hits to go into the biggest of 780 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 1: biggest rooms and be like can this guy hang? Do 781 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 1: we are we gonna turn to this guy I now 782 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 1: to help with these other artists. That was tough because 783 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 1: like I know I can, but I had to go 784 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,920 Speaker 1: do it, and that was that was crazy. 785 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 2: What would your advice be to you seven years ago, 786 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 2: four years ago a covid messages with my brain. Yeah, 787 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 2: because again, you're writing with Megan before she was a 788 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 2: known entity. Yeah, and I'll talk about her as not 789 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:23,839 Speaker 2: a human but just as like as a data point 790 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 2: that can generate streams and revenue. You were writing with 791 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 2: her before she was a thing. What would you tell 792 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 2: other guys or girls like you that are like I 793 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 2: just can't get any rights with anybody big, Like, how 794 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 2: am I supposed to make it? 795 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 1: Oh? My gosh. That is like if I go get 796 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 1: coffee with Belmont students or something, that's the number one 797 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 1: thing I tell them was like when I signed my 798 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 1: first publisher, Neil, I'm twenty six now, I was twenty two, 799 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,400 Speaker 1: and I just remember that first year being like I 800 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: need a Luke Brian cut, I need a Morgan wall 801 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 1: And cut. I need these, Like that is how I'm 802 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 1: going to have success. I'm going to get an outside cut. 803 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,399 Speaker 1: I had no idea that when I was sitting there 804 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 1: writing all those songs with Meg and I did a 805 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,799 Speaker 1: bunch of Averyanna songs and all those early songs, I 806 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 1: had no idea that what was going to propel me 807 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 1: to even have the opportunity to write a Luke Brian 808 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: or Morgan wallensong or whatever was sitting right next to 809 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,400 Speaker 1: me co writing the song I was doing. And so 810 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,400 Speaker 1: that is the number one thing is don't obviously, if 811 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,759 Speaker 1: you get a Blake Shelton single or whatever, that's amazing, 812 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 1: like go you go you. But I think the way 813 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 1: to break in as a just a pure writer, which 814 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:29,759 Speaker 1: I am, is look to your left and your right, 815 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,319 Speaker 1: who do you truly believe out of your friends or 816 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,360 Speaker 1: your circle has a chance to be honest in a stage, 817 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 1: and whoever that person is, sit next to them, write 818 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 1: with them every week, write with them every day, write 819 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 1: their first record before they know that it's their first record. 820 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 1: And then if you can contribute to their career and 821 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,360 Speaker 1: they blow up, boom. You just did the thing. And 822 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 1: now you get the opportunity to do the thing that 823 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 1: was impossible, which was getting an outside Luke Brian's song 824 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 1: in your first Bubbles you deal pretty much. 825 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:57,879 Speaker 2: Did you ever want to sing? 826 00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,840 Speaker 1: Can you sing? Oh? My gosh. I think about it 827 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:01,759 Speaker 1: all the time now. I used to never think about 828 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 1: it because there's so many songs on my phone where 829 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 1: I'm like that I sing. I sing most demos, and 830 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 1: I'm like, man, maybe I should put these songs out 831 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 1: at some point. I don't know. It's nice to not though. 832 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 2: There are two kind of versions of the situation you're in. 833 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 2: One would be I am extremely close. You mentioned Ross Kapperman. 834 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 2: He comes over pick a ball a couple of times 835 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 2: a week. Our wives are very close. Like that's like 836 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,400 Speaker 2: my guy been friends for the whole time I've been 837 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,839 Speaker 2: in town, just about them. And Ross is really good 838 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 2: and Ross was like an artist. Yeah, he's an artist, 839 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 2: and then he started to have success writing, so he'd 840 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 2: like focused all his talent, so he's like an artist 841 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 2: and then he gets at a crossroads. What do I do. 842 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 2: I've got all this success, you know, uh, being a 843 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 2: producer and art and so it's like I want to 844 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,319 Speaker 2: take Manders you put it here. But he was the 845 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,839 Speaker 2: artist that then. But a lot of those guys right 846 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,960 Speaker 2: are artists and then shift for one reason or the other. 847 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,840 Speaker 2: And then there are guys, my guys. For any of 848 00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:58,879 Speaker 2: it's gonna message me. I mean, got women and men 849 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,239 Speaker 2: guys is universal crue. I agree, thank you, thank you 850 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 2: like yourself who write and they have the ability to 851 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 2: learn to be a better writer, so they do, and 852 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,840 Speaker 2: then they kind of find the voice yeah inside of 853 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,360 Speaker 2: them physically and mentally that they now want to write 854 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,800 Speaker 2: and sing songs. And I feel like that second version 855 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,839 Speaker 2: could be a bit of you now I'm not. 856 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,880 Speaker 1: My and the thing is too like if it's coming 857 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 1: from anywhere, it's not coming from I want. I want 858 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,319 Speaker 1: the spotlight that comes from being the artists. Like that 859 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,359 Speaker 1: is not what I want. What I do want, though, 860 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 1: is like, man, when I go finish this song, like 861 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 1: Ross and I wrote a ton of songs, like a 862 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 1: lot of them are getting cut, but like there's a 863 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,279 Speaker 1: lot of songs that we just wrote for some new 864 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 1: projects that like aren't getting cut. And I'm like, and 865 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 1: I sang all the demos and even with other people, 866 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,719 Speaker 1: and I'm like, they're my some of my favorite songs 867 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 1: I've ever written, and I'm singing them and I'm like, Wow, 868 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 1: I wish people could just all I'm saying is there 869 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,239 Speaker 1: are so many cool songs that I wish were in 870 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 1: the world that won't be in the world. And the 871 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:01,880 Speaker 1: only avenue for them to be in the world is 872 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:02,560 Speaker 1: if I put them at. 873 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:03,080 Speaker 2: A mount Yeah. 874 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,480 Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm just walking that line of Wow, 875 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,320 Speaker 1: it's really nice to wake up on a Saturday and 876 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 1: go play golf with my friends or if I do it, 877 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it, and then I would be in 878 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:14,840 Speaker 1: you know, Maine on a Saturday. 879 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 4: Right, the Bobby Cast will be right back. This is 880 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 4: the Bobby Cast. 881 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,480 Speaker 2: My text rass and to say, tell me one thing. 882 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,160 Speaker 2: See if you've been FACETI will probably pick up well, 883 00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 2: I hate face timing if they're in the middle of 884 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,759 Speaker 2: a right, because I'll do that for the right, I'll 885 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,719 Speaker 2: face time. I mean, I mean, I'm that close with 886 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,960 Speaker 2: I don't care. But let's just see what happens. This 887 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,280 Speaker 2: is well, by the way, Ross has over like forty 888 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 2: number ones right as. 889 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,200 Speaker 1: The biggest writers in our world, in the world. 890 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:55,799 Speaker 2: Let's see if he answers here hebby Bobby, Hey man, 891 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,440 Speaker 2: I just got out of a nice back. He's not 892 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 2: gonna answer, though he may call back. You can't leave 893 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:08,799 Speaker 2: a video, he is. Hey, So I'm sitting here RaSE. 894 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,600 Speaker 2: So we were just talking about you, Uh what give me? 895 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,279 Speaker 2: Can you give me like a couple of fun facts 896 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,080 Speaker 2: out oh Ben here? Like, oh my god, just some 897 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,279 Speaker 2: for somebody that works because he he loves you and 898 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,080 Speaker 2: talks in such high regard of you. And so I thought, 899 00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,239 Speaker 2: if Ross has a couple two to three minutes we're 900 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,120 Speaker 2: recording this right now, could you give me just a 901 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:30,360 Speaker 2: couple of thoughts on Ben. 902 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:32,239 Speaker 1: Ben. 903 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,080 Speaker 5: I don't remember what you got into about his athleticism. 904 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,880 Speaker 2: It was the whole first ten minutes of the podcast. 905 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right, all right, all right. 906 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:46,200 Speaker 5: The way Ben writes lyrics is just it's it's pretty incredible. 907 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:47,279 Speaker 1: He he. 908 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,040 Speaker 2: He says the most profound. 909 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:55,520 Speaker 5: Things and he's he's thoughtful, and he just knows how 910 00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:56,479 Speaker 5: to write a hit song. 911 00:39:58,280 --> 00:39:59,359 Speaker 1: To be so such a. 912 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:03,920 Speaker 5: Young writer write such incredible rixperient and to know how 913 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,239 Speaker 5: the arc of how to write the second verse, I 914 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,640 Speaker 5: was like, he knows how to write the second verse, 915 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:13,560 Speaker 5: and that's that's like the biggest challenge writing the right 916 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:14,239 Speaker 5: second verse. 917 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 2: I'm very annoyed that he's an athlete. I'll be honest 918 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,960 Speaker 2: with you. I kind of hated that he was so athletic, 919 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:21,839 Speaker 2: because you know, when someone has such success as something 920 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:23,279 Speaker 2: else and they're young, and they're also like I was 921 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,239 Speaker 2: a d one athlete, I'm like, God, damn, dude, say something, 922 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 2: save something for us, something, you know. 923 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:29,680 Speaker 1: Hey, his voice the. 924 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:33,160 Speaker 5: Best translation to Dirk's balty Ai that exists. 925 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,759 Speaker 2: Okay, there you have it, all right, buddy? Uh hey 926 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:39,600 Speaker 2: do you play pickleball at all? Do you play pickball? 927 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,640 Speaker 2: Does he get the invite? Does he get the invite? 928 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,800 Speaker 5: He'd be too good, Bobby. 929 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 1: That's the too good. 930 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,319 Speaker 2: You know, I've got backing down from any but not 931 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:50,719 Speaker 2: that good. 932 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,319 Speaker 5: You wouldn't really, Yeah, he knocked my position down. 933 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,600 Speaker 2: No, I would not, All right, buddy, Thanks France, are 934 00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:57,239 Speaker 2: and good to see you. 935 00:40:58,840 --> 00:40:59,960 Speaker 1: That's awesome, Like Ross is. 936 00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:05,000 Speaker 2: Like, you're right, Like he upper tier. Yeah, he's done 937 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,480 Speaker 2: it at a high level for so long with many 938 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,040 Speaker 2: different people. Kenny Keith, it doesn't matter. Yeah, And for 939 00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,279 Speaker 2: a guy like that, how does that make you feel 940 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,919 Speaker 2: when he says stuff like that, So because he didn't 941 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:16,200 Speaker 2: have to get uid anything you wanted. 942 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,160 Speaker 1: He's that's the coolest thing to me. 943 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:18,399 Speaker 2: Ever. 944 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,400 Speaker 1: And like the fact that one of the you know, 945 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,480 Speaker 1: idol of a writer of mine just told me that 946 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,520 Speaker 1: I could I know how to write the second verse, 947 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,080 Speaker 1: which is obviously the hardest part of the song. 948 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, we expand on that a little bit. Why why 949 00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:29,920 Speaker 2: why is that a thing? 950 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,520 Speaker 1: I think? And the thing with me, I've never really 951 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,480 Speaker 1: believed in it. But I remember when I first started 952 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,800 Speaker 1: writing in town specifically, people are always like the second 953 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,400 Speaker 1: verse curse, And people used to go to lunch when 954 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,560 Speaker 1: they finished the chorus to like kind of like rejuvenate 955 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,120 Speaker 1: for the second verse, because it's easy to get lazy 956 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,440 Speaker 1: because you're tired. You just spend all this effort writing 957 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,879 Speaker 1: the hook and the chorus in the first verse, and 958 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,239 Speaker 1: I feel like all the time people are like, well, 959 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,400 Speaker 1: now there's nothing left to say. I feel like, what 960 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,239 Speaker 1: else people are? What else do we say? And I 961 00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:57,799 Speaker 1: was just like, well, let's say the same thing but 962 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,919 Speaker 1: in a cooler way. And also like second verse wise, 963 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:02,640 Speaker 1: I don't know on any of the songs Ross and 964 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,120 Speaker 1: I have done together, but I'm never afraid to just 965 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,520 Speaker 1: write a completely different melody and a completely different structure 966 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,600 Speaker 1: for the second verse than from the first verse. Like 967 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,160 Speaker 1: why does the second verse have to be the same 968 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,440 Speaker 1: melody as the first verse? If it sounds good being 969 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,840 Speaker 1: the same great, But like, second verse to me is 970 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:21,560 Speaker 1: like another opportunity to regain the listener's ear before they 971 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,480 Speaker 1: hit another chorus. So let's say something weird or interesting 972 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,279 Speaker 1: or throw melody that they're not ready for. 973 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,600 Speaker 2: Do you feel like if you're in a room and 974 00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,240 Speaker 2: with artists who have excuse me, artists or mostly songwriters 975 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:39,320 Speaker 2: that have traditionally written not that way, you know, melody 976 00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,360 Speaker 2: of the first verse, melody the second verse gotta have 977 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,000 Speaker 2: three chorus here, got it? And it has to be done. Yeah, 978 00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:45,960 Speaker 2: that it's hard to kind of break through to them 979 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:46,640 Speaker 2: what you're. 980 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:50,040 Speaker 1: Saying sometimes, Yeah, But a lot of the time I 981 00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:51,960 Speaker 1: think if they just see that it's cool or they 982 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,759 Speaker 1: hear that it's cool, the vibe and the feeling. They'll 983 00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:56,839 Speaker 1: just be like, oh, yeah, that is cool, even if 984 00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,319 Speaker 1: they think that it has to be exactly this way. 985 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,759 Speaker 1: If something sounds good to somebody and they're if they're 986 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,840 Speaker 1: not willing to adapt, then they probably aren't writing in 987 00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,400 Speaker 1: town anymore anyways, you know. So I think it's just 988 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,520 Speaker 1: showing if they don't believe in changing, showing them how 989 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,560 Speaker 1: it could be really cool, and then they'll be like, 990 00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:15,480 Speaker 1: oh that is cool. 991 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,839 Speaker 2: You get a lot of people from non Nashville come 992 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:20,160 Speaker 2: in and go, hey, I want to write with you, 993 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,520 Speaker 2: Like is that a thing? Are people coming from with me? 994 00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,440 Speaker 2: So just yeah, you specifically are Just in general, it 995 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:25,759 Speaker 2: feels like there's a lot of folks coming from like 996 00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,760 Speaker 2: La just to write with like Nashville writers, they write differently, 997 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,640 Speaker 2: like more than ever, more than ever, it's constant. 998 00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:35,080 Speaker 1: Now, it's like, listen, the fact that country's cool and 999 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,759 Speaker 1: everybody wants to be a part of country. Ashley said 1000 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,920 Speaker 1: it the best. It's like this is the more the 1001 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,120 Speaker 1: merrier come. We have open arms. Hopefully that'll go both ways, 1002 00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,520 Speaker 1: but I think they want to come see what we've 1003 00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,279 Speaker 1: been doing and that's really changing the world. I mean 1004 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,799 Speaker 1: country to me hopefully, I don't know stats, but like 1005 00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,120 Speaker 1: it sure seems like it's the coolest format right now. 1006 00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,600 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, by far. Yeah, I mean just the format 1007 00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,919 Speaker 2: exploding as it has has helped me in other ways 1008 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,200 Speaker 2: professionally because people will be like, oh, you're the most 1009 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,239 Speaker 2: listened to, yeah, and the most listened to for it. 1010 00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,000 Speaker 2: You must be cool without it. So there's just credibility 1011 00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,279 Speaker 2: with country now that there hadn't been before a few 1012 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:11,480 Speaker 2: years ago. And you know a lot of that is 1013 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:18,239 Speaker 2: credited to the Wallins and Comb's and Zach Bryan being 1014 00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,160 Speaker 2: able to go stadium for sure, right, for sure, because 1015 00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:22,800 Speaker 2: a lot of people can do arena and that's amazing, 1016 00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,160 Speaker 2: for sure, but when you can go stadium, that's that's 1017 00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:26,880 Speaker 2: next level. And you have three young guys doing it 1018 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,880 Speaker 2: at once. And I'm not talking abou Kenny, because Kenny's 1019 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,000 Speaker 2: been able to do it in Garth, but it took 1020 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,520 Speaker 2: those guys a long time. But you're talking about a 1021 00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:37,600 Speaker 2: sound that got so popular so quick. Yeah, and these 1022 00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:38,920 Speaker 2: guys are your age. 1023 00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,400 Speaker 1: I'll be super honest too, Like the one thing that 1024 00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,799 Speaker 1: is a little frustrating about it, And again I'm as 1025 00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,960 Speaker 1: open arms as it gets when I also can't wait 1026 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:49,920 Speaker 1: to go to I haven't been on an LA trip yet, 1027 00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,040 Speaker 1: and so like, I know that I want to write 1028 00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:53,879 Speaker 1: some pop stuff at some point, and like I'm gonna 1029 00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,400 Speaker 1: get over there and be super green. And I'm not 1030 00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,359 Speaker 1: saying that people who come here are super green, because 1031 00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,759 Speaker 1: they're all amazing. Like when you come and I haven't 1032 00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,440 Speaker 1: written with a ton of LA people, I'm like writing 1033 00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:08,080 Speaker 1: with a couple, But it's like, unless you've written a 1034 00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,040 Speaker 1: lot of country before, which some of them have and 1035 00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,480 Speaker 1: they're amazing country writers, if you're just coming here for 1036 00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,560 Speaker 1: the first time to start dabble in country, the sessions 1037 00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,680 Speaker 1: are very much like, this is how we do it. 1038 00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,280 Speaker 1: It's sort of this way. Lyrics are like this. It's 1039 00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,560 Speaker 1: it's like, let me show you a sort of sort 1040 00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,560 Speaker 1: of vibe. And that's a little tough at the beginning, 1041 00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,440 Speaker 1: just to be like, come, let's I'm gonna show you 1042 00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:30,840 Speaker 1: how to This is how we kind of do it 1043 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:32,840 Speaker 1: here versus them just getting here and we're just on 1044 00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,479 Speaker 1: the same page crushing. But that will come with time, 1045 00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:37,040 Speaker 1: and then the more that they come here, the more 1046 00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,160 Speaker 1: that we get to share in their world too. So 1047 00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:40,520 Speaker 1: I look at it as a positive thing. 1048 00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:46,640 Speaker 2: The creators writers that I know from California be the 1049 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,760 Speaker 2: many more creators writers that I know in Nashville. Yeah, 1050 00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,640 Speaker 2: whenever those two mix, especially for the first time, well 1051 00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,719 Speaker 2: both sides. Often if they go into the land where 1052 00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:57,400 Speaker 2: they're going, they want to prove themselves. And I have 1053 00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,000 Speaker 2: done this in many situations where I'm like over the 1054 00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:00,719 Speaker 2: top a little bit because I want to myself so much. 1055 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,440 Speaker 2: But it seems to me like the dynamic has been 1056 00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,600 Speaker 2: if people come, well, to say, from California here when 1057 00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,120 Speaker 2: they work there, it could be one in the morning, 1058 00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,000 Speaker 2: it could be in a studio, it could be you know, 1059 00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,719 Speaker 2: they're getting high in recording while they're riding. Totally, it 1060 00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,440 Speaker 2: could it very much and all the time, very much. 1061 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:24,320 Speaker 2: It's melody. First will fully flesh out of a freaking awesome 1062 00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,839 Speaker 2: melody and then assign some words to it. And again 1063 00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,359 Speaker 2: all of that happens here a little bit, but mostly here, 1064 00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:33,080 Speaker 2: like it's a it's a job for sure, like nine 1065 00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:37,920 Speaker 2: to three, Yep, we're riding this and it can be concept, 1066 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,839 Speaker 2: it can be melody, it can be but yeah, it's 1067 00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,560 Speaker 2: it's definitely they're just created differently. And I could understand 1068 00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,000 Speaker 2: how that oil and water meat and it will be 1069 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:47,719 Speaker 2: difficult to learn. 1070 00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,120 Speaker 1: Sometimes it's like a lot of the time it's amazing too. 1071 00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,160 Speaker 1: Like there's a song on Meg's last last record called 1072 00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:54,840 Speaker 1: I Know You and I wrote it with Jay Cash. 1073 00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,399 Speaker 1: We read it with Jay Cash and Jake I Love 1074 00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,719 Speaker 1: I Don't Know jacsh So. J Cash wrote like a 1075 00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,799 Speaker 1: lot of the early one Direction songs he wrote last 1076 00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,880 Speaker 1: night with Ashley Morgan's song He's just He's just an 1077 00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,719 Speaker 1: amazing guy. But he came and like just some of 1078 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,600 Speaker 1: the melodies he would throw out that sort of hit 1079 00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,600 Speaker 1: factory thing and pop that we don't have as much 1080 00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,440 Speaker 1: in country really helps. That was really cool. I enjoy it. 1081 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,080 Speaker 1: But you're right, I mean the times that we start 1082 00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,160 Speaker 1: I think they start at one there versus eleven here 1083 00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,480 Speaker 1: and stay up all night. I'm not in up all 1084 00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:27,160 Speaker 1: night writer, like I'm if I'm not done by three, Yeah, 1085 00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:28,640 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god. 1086 00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,520 Speaker 2: But it's the culture here right for sure. It's Yeah. 1087 00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,040 Speaker 2: I'm not a I said, I'm not a morning person 1088 00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:35,319 Speaker 2: at all. I hate it. 1089 00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,520 Speaker 1: I like nine ams like I love a nine Am. 1090 00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,440 Speaker 2: I would wake up at noon. I literally wake up 1091 00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,400 Speaker 2: at noon every day. Or later if I could, and 1092 00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:45,879 Speaker 2: I don't. I wake up before thirty in the morning, 1093 00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:46,680 Speaker 2: and it sucks. 1094 00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,760 Speaker 1: You wake up before thirty every day every day. 1095 00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:53,080 Speaker 2: If not before, like my my alarm, Yeah, because the 1096 00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,720 Speaker 2: show starts at five, but we're not we can record 1097 00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,759 Speaker 2: stuff early early on because we're on East coast six am, right, 1098 00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,600 Speaker 2: we can record stuff early early on. COVID kind of 1099 00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:06,400 Speaker 2: allowed that. But my alarm is set for four thirty, 1100 00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:08,399 Speaker 2: and I don't know that. My alarm has gone off 1101 00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:12,040 Speaker 2: three times this year, meaning I'm so neurotic that I 1102 00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:18,520 Speaker 2: wake up three twenty three fifty four to ten take 1103 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:22,560 Speaker 2: a gasp because I do. It sucks. I hate it. 1104 00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:24,520 Speaker 2: And people will be like, what time do you start working? 1105 00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,160 Speaker 2: And I'm like, as soon as my eyes open, sure, 1106 00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,239 Speaker 2: or I would or I wouldn't wake up right, But 1107 00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,080 Speaker 2: what wakes me up is me going, oh my god, 1108 00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,560 Speaker 2: I got so much to do. And Mike, who produces this, 1109 00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,520 Speaker 2: but it's also like been my vertebrae for ten years 1110 00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,799 Speaker 2: at this point, he knows if he's getting emails, even 1111 00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:41,320 Speaker 2: if he's on a wake at two thirty in the morning, 1112 00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,279 Speaker 2: it's about to be a rough day because that means 1113 00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,600 Speaker 2: I haven't slept at all. I can't sleep. I'm up, 1114 00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,480 Speaker 2: I'm writing, I'm sending notes for the show. But again, 1115 00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:50,680 Speaker 2: that is also and I say that, don't not the 1116 00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,480 Speaker 2: wa but like that's also what built the studio in 1117 00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:58,040 Speaker 2: here for sure. For sure, it's also what allows me 1118 00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,239 Speaker 2: to travel around the country doing a sports show that's 1119 00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,000 Speaker 2: opened all these doors for television. So you know, with 1120 00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,480 Speaker 2: all of that, hate mornings and I don't sleep a 1121 00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,520 Speaker 2: little bit, not a time that would be suitable to 1122 00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:14,120 Speaker 2: wake up that early, like eleven. Sure, before I got married, 1123 00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:16,839 Speaker 2: I could go to bed at seven thirty or eight 1124 00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:21,080 Speaker 2: pm because who cares. Yeah, But now that I have 1125 00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,120 Speaker 2: like a wife and like I try to not be 1126 00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,160 Speaker 2: lame and we like watch it's have a life. 1127 00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:27,240 Speaker 1: I'm getting married in July. 1128 00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:28,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's awesome. 1129 00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,200 Speaker 1: Oh it's we've been together since like Belmont, like the 1130 00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:31,840 Speaker 1: whole ride. 1131 00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:33,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you say that like that's one hundred years ago, 1132 00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:35,680 Speaker 2: you're like twelve. Yeah, it was, like, I mean, it 1133 00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:37,839 Speaker 2: was my adult life, like kids do the darnedest thing, 1134 00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:39,440 Speaker 2: Like it's my way to seven years. 1135 00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:41,399 Speaker 1: Really, yeah, it is a long time. 1136 00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,960 Speaker 2: Nineteen Dang, Why she cool? What's cool about her? 1137 00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,279 Speaker 1: She's so cool. She puts up with me. She's just 1138 00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,200 Speaker 1: so easy and so amazing and smart talented. 1139 00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:50,600 Speaker 2: How'd you propose? When you propose? 1140 00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,279 Speaker 1: I proposed almost two years ago. We were doing a 1141 00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,840 Speaker 1: long engagement. But so her birthday is May sixteenth, mine's 1142 00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,640 Speaker 1: May eighteenth. So I proposed on the seventeenth. Her parents 1143 00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,440 Speaker 1: have a place down in Florida, and I had my 1144 00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,319 Speaker 1: whole family come down and we did one of those 1145 00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:05,960 Speaker 1: Hey we're gonna do a family picture on the beach. 1146 00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,759 Speaker 1: And then I actually was so funny. We hired this 1147 00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:13,279 Speaker 1: photographer lady to take pictures, obviously, and we were I 1148 00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,800 Speaker 1: was standing there with with Bella her name is Bella, 1149 00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,120 Speaker 1: with Bella, her dad, her mom, and her sister, and 1150 00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,480 Speaker 1: we were doing like one family photo, like right before 1151 00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,680 Speaker 1: they were gonna like Bella's dad was like, hey, let's 1152 00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:24,680 Speaker 1: do pictures with Ben and Bella. That's what I was 1153 00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:27,080 Speaker 1: gonna do it. And I had the ring like in 1154 00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,360 Speaker 1: my pocket right here, the big box, and I'm on 1155 00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:33,160 Speaker 1: the right side of this family photo and the photographer, 1156 00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:37,720 Speaker 1: whose only job was to be there to take engagement pictures. 1157 00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,640 Speaker 1: These family photos are whatever, They're not part of the 1158 00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:44,400 Speaker 1: thing goes you have something sticking out of your pot. 1159 00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:49,120 Speaker 1: And I literally Bella's dad looks at her AND's like what, 1160 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,879 Speaker 1: and I'm like, I just joked. I was like, that's 1161 00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,399 Speaker 1: my butt. I got a big butt, and she was like, 1162 00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:56,600 Speaker 1: I was like, what do you do? And so just 1163 00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,239 Speaker 1: immediately after that, her family got out and you had 1164 00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,120 Speaker 1: to go down. No one knew anyways, did she? 1165 00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,800 Speaker 2: Oh, when I bought the ring, but let's not hold on, 1166 00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,080 Speaker 2: let's not okay, okay, that's still the photographer. Regardless if 1167 00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,440 Speaker 2: Bella knew anyways, I don't want to take off the 1168 00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,600 Speaker 2: dad's a bad movie. That photographer needs to be focused, 1169 00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:16,040 Speaker 2: be focused, because you should know why you're there. Yes, now, yeah, 1170 00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:16,960 Speaker 2: but she didn't know. 1171 00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,279 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she's like FBI agent. Like when I when 1172 00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,320 Speaker 1: I bought her an engagement ring, we were in Colorado 1173 00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:27,640 Speaker 1: and her mom booked her a massage, and Bella was like, 1174 00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:29,720 Speaker 1: why why did my mom booked me a massage? 1175 00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:31,600 Speaker 2: Something's up today because it was so uncharacteristic. 1176 00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess, but it's not. She gets massages all 1177 00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:38,279 Speaker 1: the time. Anyways, it was snowing outside in Colorado. I 1178 00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,359 Speaker 1: went and bought the ring. We got back and she 1179 00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,360 Speaker 1: was like they're acting all weird. She went in the garage, 1180 00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:47,319 Speaker 1: looked at her mom's tires of her car, felt them 1181 00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,239 Speaker 1: that they were wet, and knew that we must have 1182 00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,239 Speaker 1: left the house so and she knew I wouldn't bought 1183 00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:52,879 Speaker 1: the ring because we had left our phones at home, 1184 00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,520 Speaker 1: so our locations looked. She's like FBI agent. 1185 00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,120 Speaker 2: That's a little bit on you, guys. I too. If 1186 00:51:58,160 --> 00:51:59,839 Speaker 2: you know she's like FBI agent, then you gotta make 1187 00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,960 Speaker 2: sure tires aren't warm. You get an uber could have ubered, 1188 00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,319 Speaker 2: oh my god, I've never thought about that. I can't 1189 00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:06,480 Speaker 2: believe the photography did that though. 1190 00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:19,040 Speaker 3: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor. Wow, 1191 00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,680 Speaker 3: and we're back on the Bobby cast. 1192 00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,399 Speaker 2: Your realtor, you were home? How do you know that 1193 00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,239 Speaker 2: you were really that? How long? How long did you 1194 00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:28,480 Speaker 2: do that? 1195 00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:35,239 Speaker 1: So during my first publishing deal, my first year, I 1196 00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,839 Speaker 1: wasn't making very much money, and I was like, I 1197 00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,360 Speaker 1: just wanted to have a little bit of money to 1198 00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,080 Speaker 1: go to dinner or something, and so I got my 1199 00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:43,520 Speaker 1: real estate license. I love real estate. 1200 00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:44,720 Speaker 2: How hard was it to get that license? 1201 00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:46,840 Speaker 1: Not hard, You just have to You just have to 1202 00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,640 Speaker 1: do it. And I got my real estate license because 1203 00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:52,080 Speaker 1: I just wanted one. I wanted to see if I 1204 00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:53,360 Speaker 1: could do it when I wanted to learn about it 1205 00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:55,480 Speaker 1: because at one point, hopefully if I was successful, I 1206 00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,040 Speaker 1: wanted to learn about real estate like a lot of 1207 00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,279 Speaker 1: people have been very successful in real estate, especial with 1208 00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,920 Speaker 1: investing and whatever. I don't have my license anymore, by 1209 00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,120 Speaker 1: the way, but I got my license and I sold 1210 00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,560 Speaker 1: one house. You still I sold one house in the 1211 00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:09,919 Speaker 1: in the Sylvan Park. Was your picture on the front 1212 00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:10,279 Speaker 1: of the thing? 1213 00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:11,080 Speaker 2: Do you have it like a thing? 1214 00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:11,200 Speaker 3: No? 1215 00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:11,840 Speaker 2: I didn't. 1216 00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:13,959 Speaker 1: I was too cheap. I didn't even buy I din't. 1217 00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:15,759 Speaker 1: I don't even know if I bought real estate agent 1218 00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:16,920 Speaker 1: like business cards. 1219 00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:18,640 Speaker 2: Can I read your zelobio? 1220 00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:20,520 Speaker 1: Do I have a zilobio? 1221 00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:22,160 Speaker 2: I don't know. You tell me of this? You or 1222 00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:25,439 Speaker 2: not enthusiastic and motivated to create a seamless real estate 1223 00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:29,880 Speaker 2: experience for you? Please allow me to introduce myself. Originally 1224 00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,839 Speaker 2: from the Bay Area, with generational ties to the greater 1225 00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:34,920 Speaker 2: Nashville area. I've been a resident of Tennessee for the 1226 00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,080 Speaker 2: last five years, and I loved every minute of it. 1227 00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:37,680 Speaker 1: Wow. 1228 00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,960 Speaker 2: I graduate. I graduated from Belmont University with a music 1229 00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,520 Speaker 2: business degree, and along with furthering my exciting career in 1230 00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:48,160 Speaker 2: real estate, I've been a professional songwriter in Nashville since graduation. Wow. 1231 00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:50,560 Speaker 2: I've come from a family of real estate investors who 1232 00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,200 Speaker 2: taught me the importance of investing wisely and using the 1233 00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:56,239 Speaker 2: power of real estate to create an abundance of benefits 1234 00:53:56,680 --> 00:54:01,160 Speaker 2: in life, both financially and practically. I pride myself if 1235 00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:02,560 Speaker 2: you put a melody behind it, Did I think you 1236 00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:03,000 Speaker 2: got to hit here? 1237 00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:03,279 Speaker 1: Yeah? 1238 00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,759 Speaker 2: I pride myself on my ability to communicate thoroughly, my 1239 00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:07,520 Speaker 2: passion for helping others, and my drive to use real 1240 00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:11,120 Speaker 2: estate to excel in a volatile society. Only one more sentence. 1241 00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,560 Speaker 2: There's nothing like finding a house that feels like home, 1242 00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,360 Speaker 2: or letting go of one to move on to greener pastures. 1243 00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:18,120 Speaker 1: All that for one sale. 1244 00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:19,600 Speaker 2: Did you write that? 1245 00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:20,160 Speaker 1: Oh? 1246 00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:21,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, you wrote that yourself. 1247 00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:24,759 Speaker 1: You know what it's crazy too, is what was I 1248 00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,160 Speaker 1: just gonna talk about? Oh? I just bought my house 1249 00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,319 Speaker 1: in twel South like three months ago. My real estate 1250 00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,520 Speaker 1: license expired like two months ago, So I could have 1251 00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:34,600 Speaker 1: saved You. 1252 00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:36,080 Speaker 2: Could have got part of the feet. 1253 00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I didn't let again. So now one of 1254 00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,040 Speaker 1: the i've met. I met a friend who was my 1255 00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:42,600 Speaker 1: real estate agent. Isn't that crazy? 1256 00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,080 Speaker 2: It sold two houses. What would have been fun was 1257 00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:46,840 Speaker 2: if like you're like, I need to find a realtor 1258 00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:48,200 Speaker 2: and you're like, let me just type in some keywords 1259 00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:49,560 Speaker 2: of like a good realtor that pops up and you 1260 00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:51,040 Speaker 2: type in some words than you pop up for yourself. 1261 00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:52,680 Speaker 2: Where did you find that? Don't worry about what we 1262 00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:53,640 Speaker 2: what I do and what we do. 1263 00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,240 Speaker 1: Okay, I didn't even know that existed. 1264 00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:57,719 Speaker 2: I was the one that bought the house for you before. 1265 00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,399 Speaker 2: You just didn't realize that was me. Uh you guys, 1266 00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:02,480 Speaker 2: you can follow Ben at Ben We already said all 1267 00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:05,759 Speaker 2: this but Ben dot Williams dot music too many dots 1268 00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:10,000 Speaker 2: for me. But you know og Yeah, yeah for sure. Yeah, 1269 00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:17,120 Speaker 2: congratulations mans like pretty cool, so happy. Yeah. Sometimes it's like, man, 1270 00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:20,480 Speaker 2: somebody's had some success. You're a young guy, like a 1271 00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,920 Speaker 2: wonder No, I like you. Oh yeah, it's good and 1272 00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,680 Speaker 2: I appreciate that the compliments about this, and man, I 1273 00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,839 Speaker 2: just hair salon is like that, like that's one of 1274 00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:32,160 Speaker 2: the song. If you were to go like of the 1275 00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:33,759 Speaker 2: past like five to seven years, like, what's a song 1276 00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,080 Speaker 2: that hits you sideways and you're like, oh, that's it, 1277 00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,200 Speaker 2: that's it, whatever, that that's one of those songs. 1278 00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:40,279 Speaker 1: So I had no idea I'd be talking about that 1279 00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:42,279 Speaker 1: song today, which is so cool. And by the way, 1280 00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:46,200 Speaker 1: like I didn't even I literally Major Bob was my 1281 00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:48,560 Speaker 1: first publishing deal. I love them, We have a great relationship. 1282 00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,920 Speaker 1: I for two years, I filed all the papers in 1283 00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,000 Speaker 1: the back and I would go back and forth between 1284 00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:56,400 Speaker 1: Bobbycasts and the writer is. I mean, I probably listened 1285 00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:00,160 Speaker 1: to all of the first three hundred episodes, and I 1286 00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,399 Speaker 1: even remember being at Belmont like on the track team 1287 00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:05,799 Speaker 1: and listening to Gorley's episode and just like all and 1288 00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,319 Speaker 1: just being in awe. I think I stayed up until 1289 00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,440 Speaker 1: like one am listening to that podcast before it tracked me. 1290 00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:13,080 Speaker 1: This podcast really changed my life, no thanks, and got 1291 00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,319 Speaker 1: me so inspired, And it's crazy to me that in 1292 00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,480 Speaker 1: so full circle and so cool that I'm even here 1293 00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:19,440 Speaker 1: looking at that really cool picture of me behind you. 1294 00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:21,320 Speaker 2: Oh, we're not recording this. This was just it's to 1295 00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:23,440 Speaker 2: make a wish. Yeah, yeah, you don't know yet, but 1296 00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,439 Speaker 2: you're gonna be giving us some bad news. So yeah, 1297 00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:29,600 Speaker 2: this is just it was about to come in Uh 1298 00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:31,480 Speaker 2: you guys followed Ben. Been good to see you, buddy, 1299 00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:33,640 Speaker 2: h This was awesome and once it gets a little 1300 00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,560 Speaker 2: we played pickleball a lot. Yeah, I woop pross butt. 1301 00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:38,240 Speaker 2: I believe I woop pross. 1302 00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:39,280 Speaker 1: But have you played with Ashley? 1303 00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,239 Speaker 2: He's really no, But but so Gator. You know Gator here. 1304 00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:43,799 Speaker 1: I just met Gator. 1305 00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:45,360 Speaker 2: So he plays over at Ashley. They played basketball a 1306 00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:46,960 Speaker 2: lot too. But the basketball games are albably so late. 1307 00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:48,799 Speaker 2: I can never go because they're like, we're playing at 1308 00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:50,799 Speaker 2: a forty five PM and I'm like, guys, i gotta 1309 00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:52,960 Speaker 2: get up in two hours, right, But Getter's like he's 1310 00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:56,720 Speaker 2: got courts, but my schedule is so weird with the hours. 1311 00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:59,600 Speaker 2: But I think that's a place, and I'm just gonna 1312 00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:01,480 Speaker 2: divite ash over here too. But yeah, yeah Gators, like 1313 00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,000 Speaker 2: they're playing like costumes and crap over there. 1314 00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,319 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Mandy Ashley's wife like they have like a 1315 00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,719 Speaker 1: women's league and everything. Your wife should play too, she wants. 1316 00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:12,319 Speaker 2: My wife is such an annoyingly good athlete, but like 1317 00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,279 Speaker 2: is it's so annoying. She's such a good athlete and 1318 00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:15,919 Speaker 2: does not care. 1319 00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:19,520 Speaker 1: Wow, that's like my Bella is so good. I love golf. 1320 00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,080 Speaker 1: Bella is she was on the high school golf team, 1321 00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:23,880 Speaker 1: and she's so good at golf. I can't even convince 1322 00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:24,439 Speaker 1: her to come plain. 1323 00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:26,960 Speaker 2: Really. Every once in a while, I get Caitlyn to 1324 00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:31,040 Speaker 2: play pickleball. Read Yeah, she's good, Say it's good, Say 1325 00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:32,080 Speaker 2: say more. 1326 00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:32,960 Speaker 1: She whooped us. 1327 00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:36,240 Speaker 2: And he whooped us as the team, and read's gotten 1328 00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:40,560 Speaker 2: pretty good, and she like she is, but she just 1329 00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:44,040 Speaker 2: has she's yeah, you know, she got stuff to do. 1330 00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:45,680 Speaker 2: You gotta read a book or something. And I'm like, 1331 00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:47,320 Speaker 2: I would never read a single day thing if I 1332 00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:48,280 Speaker 2: was reading. 1333 00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:51,439 Speaker 1: Because Bella she loves, she loves yeah, and. 1334 00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,600 Speaker 2: If she can't for some reason, it's dead. Uh, she'll 1335 00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:54,920 Speaker 2: get it up, put on her phone too, and read 1336 00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:57,040 Speaker 2: it on her phone like she loves. She read like 1337 00:57:58,360 --> 00:57:59,840 Speaker 2: there's a lot of sex stuff. No, no, it's not. I'm 1338 00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:06,120 Speaker 2: just I was going it's not. She it's pretty diverse. 1339 00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,200 Speaker 2: And sometimes I don't even ask because it moves from 1340 00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:10,160 Speaker 2: one book to the other. And then sometimes if I ask, 1341 00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:11,480 Speaker 2: I really don't want to hear about it. I'll be 1342 00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:15,880 Speaker 2: honest with you. I don't like, and then I don't 1343 00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:17,680 Speaker 2: want to get lectured about how much because there's I 1344 00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:19,640 Speaker 2: will check out for a couple of months of time 1345 00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:21,240 Speaker 2: of reading at all, because I'm just like I get 1346 00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,400 Speaker 2: in seasons of book reading, like I'll kill a book 1347 00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:25,800 Speaker 2: and I'm done. And sometimes you'll be like, maybe you 1348 00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:27,640 Speaker 2: should read more, And I also don't want to have 1349 00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:29,600 Speaker 2: that lecture. Some might can even. 1350 00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:31,720 Speaker 1: Acquire Yeah, that's a really good reason not to ask. 1351 00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:34,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, or she'll be like, while you're over there swiping 1352 00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:36,960 Speaker 2: on TikTok, I'm over here reading about you know, are 1353 00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:41,680 Speaker 2: you a tiktokst It's the greatest, It's the it's what 1354 00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:50,120 Speaker 2: the iPhone, penicillin, TikTok, the carriage built onto the horse, 1355 00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:54,560 Speaker 2: maybe the four greatest dintions ever, and a pencil not adventure, 1356 00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:55,880 Speaker 2: but I guess like a discovery. 1357 00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:57,880 Speaker 1: So it was TikTok actually getting banned in January. 1358 00:58:58,080 --> 00:58:59,080 Speaker 2: No, that'll never happen. 1359 00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:00,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I'll never happened. I 1360 00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:02,040 Speaker 1: never go on it, but maybe I should. 1361 00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,480 Speaker 2: Why TikTok is great is because it doesn't matter what 1362 00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:06,520 Speaker 2: your thing is. There's a corner of the universe that 1363 00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:10,280 Speaker 2: is built specifically for you and for me. It happens 1364 00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:14,240 Speaker 2: to be a lot of sports stuff, but like nineties wrestling, 1365 00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:19,600 Speaker 2: you know old it like old like a bunch of 1366 00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:22,840 Speaker 2: like early two thousands nineties music like alternative. So there's 1367 00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:26,600 Speaker 2: just whatever like your thing is, it's it's unlimited. 1368 00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:30,200 Speaker 1: I'm a YouTube guy, like I've been watching YouTube for it, 1369 00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:31,840 Speaker 1: like I watch YouTube shorts. 1370 00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:35,240 Speaker 2: Oh so you're a TikTok guy. Then just a different format, yeah, 1371 00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:37,320 Speaker 2: a different name. My problem is just cooking stuff like 1372 00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:38,000 Speaker 2: you like it. 1373 00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:40,840 Speaker 1: Like there's this guy, La Try guy, and he just 1374 00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,240 Speaker 1: goes to all the different like worst places, like the 1375 00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:45,480 Speaker 1: best worst food for you places you can and I 1376 00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:47,680 Speaker 1: just watch. I just get hungry. That's all I do. 1377 00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:50,400 Speaker 1: It's really my That would be like my A perfect 1378 00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,160 Speaker 1: Friday night is I throw on like Diners, Drivens and dives. 1379 00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:55,160 Speaker 1: I have the fire pit and I go on door 1380 00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:58,560 Speaker 1: Dash and I'll get like two vastly different cuisines like 1381 00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:02,280 Speaker 1: Indian and Mexican, and I'll watch food videos and chill. 1382 01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:03,920 Speaker 1: That's like heaven. 1383 01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:07,840 Speaker 2: That's even more ludicrous than me saying penicillin and talking 1384 01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:11,080 Speaker 2: about the greatest. Uh. Been good to talk to you, Bunny. 1385 01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:14,720 Speaker 3: Thank you so much, thanks for listening to a Bobby 1386 01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:15,560 Speaker 3: Cast production