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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to episode one. Here the house is

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Speaker 1: Brett Eldridge. It's good to see a man lucky number,

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Speaker 1: Yeah is it? Yeah? I was looking at your Instagram

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Speaker 1: and I it was a shot of you leaning into

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Speaker 1: the crowd this weekend, and and what was cool about

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Speaker 1: it was and we listen, we all post pictures of crowds.

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Speaker 1: Exciting to us that people that care, Like that's listening.

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Speaker 1: When I post a picture and there are people like

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Speaker 1: at a show of mine, it's exciting to me because

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Speaker 1: people care, and I'm like, check it out, people actually care.

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Speaker 1: It's to me a bit it's a bit self serving

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Speaker 1: because I want to I'm just like, wow, I can't

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Speaker 1: believe people care. But there's this picture you and you're

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Speaker 1: kind of singing into the crowd and everybody has their phone.

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Speaker 1: Everybody has their phone up. Yeah. It had a little

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Speaker 1: bit of a double meaning, honestly, because it is amazing.

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Speaker 1: But then I'm sitting there also looking at like, oh

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Speaker 1: my god, there's so many phones. I mean so many,

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Speaker 1: I mean, and you can see how happy everybody is.

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Speaker 1: But also I mean I was just I was looking

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Speaker 1: at like old pictures in the crowd of like when

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Speaker 1: people didn't used to have phones, and then I mean

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Speaker 1: you just maybe somebody had like a little camera. But

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Speaker 1: now it's just like that picture blew me away. What

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Speaker 1: do you think about the phone thing? Some artists fighting

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Speaker 1: like they really hate it. I'm I'm in the middle.

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Speaker 1: You know, it just depends if they're watching and filming.

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Speaker 1: Are there film you know what I mean? Like some

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Speaker 1: people literally watched through their screen and they're not even

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Speaker 1: really watching the show. But to be Devil's advocate on that,

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Speaker 1: if that's how they watch a show, isn't that how

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Speaker 1: they watch a show? Yeah? Now, now I'm gonna totally

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Speaker 1: contradict myself because we do two different things. You go

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Speaker 1: out and you play music and you play songs that

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Speaker 1: people knew. Now I go out and I'll give you

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Speaker 1: an example. I did two stand up shows this weekend.

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Speaker 1: I don't let people record my show for the first

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Speaker 1: of it because if my material gets out, it's dead dead.

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Speaker 1: So there are no phones. And it's so hypocritical because

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Speaker 1: I go, if you're a concert, record the whole show up,

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Speaker 1: But for me, then I go, no bones. So I'm trying.

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Speaker 1: I literally I'm kind of the same way. I see

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Speaker 1: both sides like part of me is like, I think

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Speaker 1: it's awesome because then there's they're showing they're having a

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Speaker 1: good time, and then their friends might want to come

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Speaker 1: and have a good time and see it too. The

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Speaker 1: other side is are they actually watching the show? Are

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Speaker 1: just mad? Or if they're really watching this show? But

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Speaker 1: do they even have to watch? Can they not watch

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Speaker 1: with their ears experience? I'm like I said, I'm both

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Speaker 1: agree on both sides. I'm like, part of me they

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Speaker 1: are there at least, you know, I think it's it's

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Speaker 1: it is what it is at this point. Um, some

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Speaker 1: artists will be like, you can't fight it. They're like,

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Speaker 1: Kip hates it. Oh he hates it, he'll tell you

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Speaker 1: right he But it's almost like when artists would fight

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Speaker 1: downloads like you no, you know, or fighting streaming. Then

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Speaker 1: it was fighting you can either get with it or

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Speaker 1: have it leave you. And we have a picture of

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Speaker 1: this up now. I mean, look at this every but

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Speaker 1: that's just the culture. What you're seeing in this picture

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Speaker 1: is the culture right now. This one girl by the way,

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Speaker 1: and we'll have a video up, but this one girl

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Speaker 1: has a phone up but she has the cash in

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Speaker 1: the back of her phone, like Oh yeah. I called

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Speaker 1: her out on this balling with the cash right there.

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Speaker 1: I told her that, I said, you don't drop that cash.

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Speaker 1: She had like three twenties in the back of there.

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Speaker 1: If I had three twenties, she's pretty young at that age,

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Speaker 1: I'd be like, I'll be living big right there. But

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Speaker 1: look at again, something else and noticed in this picture.

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Speaker 1: Look at all the females, Like, if I were a dude,

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Speaker 1: let me just speak to the dudes that are watching this. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: go to a Brett Eldredge show because there are a

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Speaker 1: lot of females and Brett Eldredge show. Yeah. Look, you

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Speaker 1: see there's some dudes with their way in the back.

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Speaker 1: There's like we see the dudes are all three of them.

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Speaker 1: They stick out like short dolls. The guy's mouth wide

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Speaker 1: literally where we are. You're right, this is this is

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Speaker 1: the culture of it just is what it is. And

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Speaker 1: and uh, I mean you can't really you could. I

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Speaker 1: guess you can fight it. You can fight it, but

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be a punching the water. Eventually, the water

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Speaker 1: always wins. You can be a mountain. Okay, good for you, mountain,

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Speaker 1: but the water is eventually going to wear you down.

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Speaker 1: And that's what fighting technology as an artist is. Like,

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Speaker 1: you're just fighting the water. Can you hold it back

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Speaker 1: a bit with a damn? Sure? But okay, see what

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Speaker 1: a water does over ten tho years. But yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: a pretty cool pictures. So what what is that picture from?

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Speaker 1: That's uh, that's an iowa uh at at a at

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Speaker 1: a festival. I remember sending you a note and I

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Speaker 1: don't you were somewhere in the Midwest, I believe, and

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Speaker 1: you were playing a like an amphitheater and you were

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Speaker 1: you were headlining, and I was watching you and I said,

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Speaker 1: you know what I was like, man, And I would say,

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Speaker 1: you and I are friendly. We don't not know each other,

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Speaker 1: but we don't hang out. I don't hang out with anybody,

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Speaker 1: but but but I feel like I was proud for

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Speaker 1: you because you were headlining a real life venue. And

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Speaker 1: I said, you know what I was like, dude, I

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Speaker 1: know any boys or anything, but a little bit of

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Speaker 1: me like my heart's warm for you right now because

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Speaker 1: I felt good for you. Well, uh, it is. It's

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Speaker 1: it's a journey. I mean, you know, just like you're

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Speaker 1: not just like me. You you you fight so long

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Speaker 1: to go, you know, speak or play in these little

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Speaker 1: of the time, I've been opening for somebody for so long,

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Speaker 1: and and you play forty five minutes and don't getting

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Speaker 1: wrong at those forty five minutes have been huge for me.

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Speaker 1: But I waited a long time to get to the headline.

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Speaker 1: Or people are gonna show up, I don't know, hopefully,

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Speaker 1: because I go through it too. If I announced a tour, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I go, I don't know if anybody's gonna come. And

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Speaker 1: I know, it's like an insecurity and yourself. You should

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Speaker 1: probably yourself credit that knowing that there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: it is a scary feeling and then you know, then

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Speaker 1: and you get to play and you can tell those stories,

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Speaker 1: and that's that's pretty special. You know, talk to me

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Speaker 1: for a second, because a lot of artists, especially when

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Speaker 1: to late slot, you'll put these things in your ears

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Speaker 1: whatever you're called monitor mirrors, you know, so you know

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Speaker 1: when I use them too, But I'm not real. You know,

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Speaker 1: when when my band plays, we're not real. You're real.

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Speaker 1: You're entertaining though, okay, but listen, we're not real. You're real.

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Speaker 1: You're a real band. Really, But so that pretty much

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Speaker 1: seals off the sound, right. So when you have when

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Speaker 1: you have them both in what can you hear? Actually,

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Speaker 1: it is one of my least favorite things about playing

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Speaker 1: live and great things because you you you don't blow

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Speaker 1: Well I mean, but there's also artists Blake still sings

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Speaker 1: with just with wedges. Blake doesn't use yours, Is that right? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: in the thrust, he's got to remember where Sometimes. I

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Speaker 1: think that's awesome because you can hear the crowd. And

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Speaker 1: he says that, Man, I just tried the years before

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Speaker 1: I used to do the one year and that's terrible

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Speaker 1: I had him. I haven't put a crowd mics in

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Speaker 1: as long as you have no fans singing into the

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Speaker 1: crowd mics. I've been I'll be like singing a note

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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden. Man, Also, I just totally

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Speaker 1: I'm like, let me, Harry, they certainly have to be screaming,

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Speaker 1: So you just, I mean, definitely the most insecure times

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Speaker 1: when were you're on stage and you're hoping that everybody's

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Speaker 1: Every crowd is different. Every crowd might be a little

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Speaker 1: gotta scream it out, but it is. It is a

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Speaker 1: you tell yourself you're not gonna you're not a good sleeper,

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Speaker 1: You're not gonna be a good sleeper, you know what

427
00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,600
Speaker 1: I mean. Like a lot of the time I think

428
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Speaker 1: where you close your eyes and you go fall asleep.

429
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Speaker 1: Right now, I get five yeah, and then then then

430
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Speaker 1: another hour goes by, and then I got this seconds.

431
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Speaker 1: So I tried the I tried and under presents for

432
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Speaker 1: a while. I tried um u xan X, the pras

433
00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:19,320
Speaker 1: Lin for a while. I've tried. I've tried everything but

434
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Speaker 1: smoking weed. And I I was talking to a friend

435
00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,199
Speaker 1: even today because I've I've never drink our cahol or

436
00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:26,800
Speaker 1: smoke weed. But I want to do both. But I

437
00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:28,520
Speaker 1: just know I would do all the both, Like if

438
00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,840
Speaker 1: I started, I would just do it and I wouldn't

439
00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,040
Speaker 1: stablished me, Like I'll take that and I'll have all

440
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Speaker 1: of that and go ahead and give me the rest

441
00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:36,199
Speaker 1: of all of that. That's just how I lived my

442
00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,800
Speaker 1: life and everything. But I went to the dentist today

443
00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:40,639
Speaker 1: just to get a fix. They put a temporary on

444
00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:44,960
Speaker 1: and they gave me the laughing gas. I got so high,

445
00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:46,480
Speaker 1: and that I don't. I don't relax that have a

446
00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,120
Speaker 1: troll of trouble relaxing in general. I got so high.

447
00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,560
Speaker 1: I became so relaxed. I started to have these really

448
00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:59,840
Speaker 1: deep emotional sharing within myself thoughts, and I'm like, man,

449
00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:01,159
Speaker 1: if this is what it's like to get high, I

450
00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,480
Speaker 1: gotta do this. And and I felt like I could

451
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,320
Speaker 1: go to sleep or I could stay awake. I just

452
00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,040
Speaker 1: felt great. So I'm talking to her friend and she

453
00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,520
Speaker 1: was like, you should try the gummies. But I hear

454
00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,159
Speaker 1: a Snoop dogg to talk about this stuff and he's like,

455
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Speaker 1: don't eat it. He's like, you can't control it if

456
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,320
Speaker 1: you If you eat, you can't control it. Man. I

457
00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,040
Speaker 1: just don't like. There's too many there's too many bad eating.

458
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,879
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't like this. Smoking anything seems like

459
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:28,520
Speaker 1: it would just be pain on the lawn. I don't

460
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:33,480
Speaker 1: a cigarette. I've actually never spared a cigarette. That's that

461
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 1: that heat going into them. I don't like I don't

462
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:39,560
Speaker 1: drin coffee, yeah, because I mean I've tasted coffee once.

463
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:45,359
Speaker 1: I'm not against coffee. It's not a moral thing. Church

464
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,639
Speaker 1: of coffee you have is she's with sleeping. But it

465
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 1: also sounds like when you talk that have you been

466
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,119
Speaker 1: a therapy because you sound like, okay, I can because

467
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 1: again I'm just looking at I'm not. I'm very and

468
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,480
Speaker 1: I'm I've just recently started becoming very open with it

469
00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:03,200
Speaker 1: because I mean, I feel like everybody should go to therapy, honestly.

470
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,679
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's for me too. And it's not

471
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:11,879
Speaker 1: like you're not crazy, you're not whatever. We all have anxieties,

472
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,159
Speaker 1: we all have worries, we all have I mean, it's human,

473
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,879
Speaker 1: the most human thing we were. This is how we're built.

474
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 1: And for me, it got to a place where I

475
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,879
Speaker 1: was like, I'm not I'm really good at covering that up.

476
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 1: And I wasn't like depressed or like major, and I

477
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,240
Speaker 1: was just always worried about stuff and it totally throws

478
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 1: your body out of whack, and so I was I

479
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:35,399
Speaker 1: was like, I'm I'm tired of in this. So I

480
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 1: actually got into mindfulness. So meditating really helped me a

481
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,240
Speaker 1: lot be able to do that. I have trouble. It's hard.

482
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 1: I have trouble. It's hard. I mean I've been doing

483
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 1: for like a year and a half transidental like what

484
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 1: kind of meditation, just like mostly just sided Like so

485
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 1: I did the apps, So I did I started with

486
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 1: headspace about that. I've done the sleep app. I haven't

487
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,679
Speaker 1: done any meditation. Head Space is great. It just kind

488
00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 1: of walks you through. It's not like one of those

489
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 1: things you're feeling very sleepy or you know whatever. It's

490
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 1: very much like all right, um not take your now

491
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 1: now you might feel yourself your mind wandering and having

492
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 1: all these thoughts throughout the day or whatever. I'll take

493
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 1: it back to the breath and so you you switch

494
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 1: your focus back to the breath and you and you

495
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 1: just focus on your breath. It's pretty much just training

496
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 1: your brain to see thoughts is just thoughts, because we

497
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 1: have thousands of thoughts every day, all of them, almost

498
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 1: all of them are crap. They're just worthless, you know

499
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:29,920
Speaker 1: what I mean. And you can tell have studied a

500
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Speaker 1: lot of this, but it is the truth. We have

501
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:33,199
Speaker 1: so many thoughts. So I think the most of that

502
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 1: it's taught me is to not sweat that stup as much.

503
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 1: Not that I don't still, I mean you still. You

504
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 1: never get rid of things out. You just have a

505
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 1: different relationship with and I think through a lot of

506
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,199
Speaker 1: different things, I've I've got a different relationship with it.

507
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 1: And I used to not be able to enjoy tour

508
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:48,959
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff in here as much

509
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 1: because you'd always be worrying about worrying about feeling this way.

510
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 1: Then you're feeling more that way, and it's like it

511
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:55,920
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be that way. And so I think

512
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Speaker 1: now to more I've got uh And I mean this

513
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,400
Speaker 1: is really of most of the when I've ever really

514
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 1: talked about it, but I've got way more. I want

515
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,160
Speaker 1: to help other people realize that happens to everybody. It's

516
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: not a big deal. It sucks, but it's real and

517
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,159
Speaker 1: you can you can get through that. So you know

518
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 1: why it sucks? Is it not enough people talk about it?

519
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 1: I know I grew up like you in a really

520
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 1: small town. Therapy wasn't a thing. It was more like

521
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 1: you gotta pay the bills, so therapy doesn't matter. You know,

522
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 1: when you're trying to buy man, which there's not money

523
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,879
Speaker 1: for therapy or even to know that mental illness is

524
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 1: like a real life thing. And I'm not even my

525
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,399
Speaker 1: mental illness. I'm just talking about any sort of therapy

526
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 1: like it. Just so I remember going and I was like,

527
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 1: this is not my insurance. I can actually go talk

528
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,160
Speaker 1: to someone, And it was talking to someone who did

529
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 1: not have a bias that would call call you not

530
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 1: only on your crap, but also tell you when things

531
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 1: were good, so you could trust both. And we're both

532
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: in a position to where we're in a creative space

533
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 1: where if we're doing well, there are a lot of

534
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 1: people tell us how cool we are, and it's it

535
00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 1: gets harder and harder to separate. I wrote my new

536
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 1: book that came out this week. I have a whole

537
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 1: thing about trusting a certain few people that will tell

538
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 1: you suck. But everybody will tell you suck. But if

539
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: you find the people that you trust to tell you suck,

540
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,959
Speaker 1: whenever they tell you that you do really good, you

541
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,880
Speaker 1: can believe them. And that's the hardest thing. It's not

542
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,199
Speaker 1: hard to find somebody to tell you suck. Trust me. All.

543
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 1: I gotta go to Facebook right now, and I got

544
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 1: a thousand people telling me and we naturally search for

545
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: that stuff too. It falls right in our lap and

546
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 1: we can stare at it and people are loving us

547
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 1: all around us, but we're looking at this little angry monster.

548
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 1: Were like, what's up? You can glad you came to

549
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:39,360
Speaker 1: see me. But if you find someone that can say, hey,

550
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. But then when they do say, oh,

551
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 1: I do know about this, you trust that good because

552
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: they're able to tell you whenever they feel it's not good.

553
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: I found that with therapy. Then I've started to be

554
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 1: able to find it with friends. But I had to

555
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 1: find it with me first before it was anything else.

556
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: I had to go in and trust the process of

557
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 1: bit a little, only a little, trust that it was

558
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: the process. But therapy changed me. And listen, I'm still

559
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: in my thirties, I'm single, i'n't married, I've got no kids.

560
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: Like I'm I struggle with relationships and trust I do, yeah,

561
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 1: and bridges raise his hand too. But for me, it

562
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 1: showed me that I'm struggling. Before I just didn't know.

563
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 1: I can like, what's the problem, Why why am I?

564
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 1: But now I see there's a struggle in the first

565
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: and best way to talk about this. And as you

566
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,479
Speaker 1: were saying these words, the words that I hear all

567
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: the time because I read about it and I go

568
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 1: to therapy, I'm like, oh, he's had some sort of

569
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 1: self reflection in some way, and I like that, and

570
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: I commend you for that. Yeah, well, the same here.

571
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: And I think I think it's it's up to you know,

572
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: each of us to try to get everybody to look

573
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: at that and just say you're not crazy for going

574
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 1: to get help from orders, telling or even going to

575
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: a friend or whatever. I mean, does it happen to normal?

576
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: You're normal to have this stuff, totally normal, I mean,

577
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 1: but nobody talks about it, so then you feel isolated

578
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 1: and alone when you're feeling these well, I'm the only

579
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 1: person that hasn't feel like No, try hun of millions

580
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 1: of people nobody's post on Instagram, so I can't be real.

581
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: Yeah that's because they know that. Yeah exactly. And I

582
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's easy to focus on all

583
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 1: those things and and so I got into the gratitude stuff.

584
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if you get into that at all,

585
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: but that's also helped me of, you know, instead of

586
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 1: focusing on the things, all the the bad things that

587
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 1: you see or whatever. I've got into the gratitude journals

588
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, so I would Yeah, So I

589
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: went trying to share that a lot, because not only

590
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: that also has I also hold myself accountable to try

591
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: to keep up with that. But so I got this.

592
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 1: I got this journal called the five Minute Journal. Um.

593
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 1: I've done it in different ways, but I like this one,

594
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: and it's I've got tons of people to get it.

595
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: Just just said this is a good one to try out.

596
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 1: It's not like I'm sponsored by five minute Journal thing,

597
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 1: but I just I like it. You you start your day.

598
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 1: I read a lot of self help books. I try

599
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: a lot of different things, but this one. You start

600
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: your day, you name three things that would be um,

601
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: there would be uh, well we'll make to get today great.

602
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 1: So I'll be like, Okay, um, I want to I

603
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 1: want to help a stranger today or whatever, you know

604
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 1: what I mean. Or I want to I want to

605
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: have a great talk about Bobby today at at the

606
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 1: on the podcast. Whatever it is. Certain things that set

607
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: your day where you might be worried or something that

608
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 1: you're gonna put yourself out there or whatever it is,

609
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: or you might go outside your comfort zone or whatever

610
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 1: it is, push yourself to go and doing certain things.

611
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: And and and also say, okay, what great happened today?

612
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:39,239
Speaker 1: And you say, you know, I got I talked to

613
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: my brother for an hour on the phone, or I

614
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: called to a friend and tad to him or or someone, Uh,

615
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: send me a message, is said. This really helped me through.

616
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: This song really helped me through my life. Whatever it is,

617
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: the simple things that you don't always focus on. You

618
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: focus on the things that are bad. And that's really

619
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: started to help me too. So a lot of these

620
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: things altogether, I guess, Yeah, therapy, all those different things.

621
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: It's it's it's a battle. You're gained like little per cents,

622
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: you know, over weeks the stock market. Yeah, and and

623
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: it's funny talk about that. And listen, I can talk

624
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: about this all day because you're in my zone. Like

625
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:13,479
Speaker 1: I felt like this is the spot I can just go.

626
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: But we only have so much real estate up here time.

627
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: First of all, in the day and then in just

628
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: our thoughts. We have so much real estate. And if

629
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: we're investing that real estate into a positive X, that

630
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: means there's less time for a negative Why to get

631
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: in there. That doesn't mean why it's not knocking on

632
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: the door. It doesn't mean why he's not gonna come

633
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: in and have dinner occasionally. But the more and you

634
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: talk about your journal, the more you can focus on

635
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: those positive X is that just mathematically is the less

636
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: times the negative why can get in there? And so, yeah,

637
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: maybe did you post that today, the five minute journal

638
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Speaker 1: in your institution. I've been posting almost every day. I

639
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: just story, Yeah, that's when you said five minute journalist.

640
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: I just saw that. I felt like from watching your

641
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: in'st a story though, that I know you better than

642
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: I do, which is weird, and I think we probably

643
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: all have someone like that that we follow, and I

644
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: think that's why I was compelled to reach out to

645
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 1: you and go, hey, dude, I'm really proud for you.

646
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: I know we probably hung out like an hour and

647
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: a half in our life, but like, I was really

648
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: happy to see that show and I could tell in

649
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: your eyeballs that you appreciated that use your headlining show.

650
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: And it wasn't like Iowa, Michigan or wherever that show.

651
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: But I watched these as of stories and you're one

652
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: of them. Where I go Mike I gotta know him. Yeah,

653
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: do I really maybe more than I did, But yeah,

654
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: I think you do a good job at effectively putting

655
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: across your message. So I trying to do honestly, Like

656
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: I mean, even like I said, I'm sharing more now

657
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: than I probably ever have even right now. But for me,

658
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: it's just uh, yeah, I think I think if you really,

659
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: I want to show more in social media and all

660
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,719
Speaker 1: that stuff. And I've always kind of been my you know,

661
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: goofing off self and stuff, but I also got the

662
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: serious side too, and and and I'm trying to show

663
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: just how you know, ridiculously fawt I am, and and

664
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: trying not to just show all the great stuff, you know,

665
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: And I think that's what we do as a culture.

666
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: We show a lot of the great stuff, and you

667
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: still want to show some of the great stuff because

668
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: it really is great, you know. But also you know,

669
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: I think that it's helped. It's helping me to definitely

670
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: even right now, to talk about it more and to

671
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: and and knowing that we you know, hopefully this conversation

672
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: we're having right now people can someone who can be like,

673
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: oh well, I thought I was only one and there

674
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: is because I feel like with us. Here there's an empathy,

675
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: not a sympathy. There's an empathy and there's a difference

676
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: and and you're absolutely right here. So here's something that

677
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: happened to me. So I go and not to harp

678
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: on this thing. But I write this first book like

679
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: two and a half years ago, and I think to myself,

680
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: no one's gonna understand because my stories that come from

681
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: a town of seven hundred. Um, my mom was a

682
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: drug addic and alcoholic. She had me when she was sixteen.

683
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: She died in her forties from drugs and alcohol. I

684
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: never knew my dad. But I'm talking about my mom

685
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: and I'm writing about these stories. And I'm not embarrassed

686
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: in my story because I'm proud of where I come from.

687
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: And I think I'm stronger because of the struggle that

688
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: I I've been through and I think now I'm at

689
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: the point where I can help people because of that.

690
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: But I'm writing these stories and I'm talking about some

691
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: of the real dark times when I was dealing with

692
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: addiction with my mom, and and I'm going people are

693
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: a gonna not care or be just I'm gonna be

694
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: the big sympathy bear. And I don't want to be that,

695
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: but I would. I'll tell you, but I would go

696
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: and I would because I meet everybody at my shows.

697
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: There'll be to tell people that three I'll meet everyone

698
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: of them if they want to hang around, and they

699
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: would come up. And it wasn't the crazy stories or

700
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: getting fine a million dollars or the It was it

701
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: was the hey, do you know what I actually related to?

702
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: And it was the most personal, deep stuff about that

703
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: I thought no one would understand. They weren't feeling sorry

704
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: for me. They were actually empathizing with me. And that's

705
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: for me when I shifted a bit of my narrative

706
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: of oh, I'm telling people this not so they feel

707
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: towards me, but with me, and they can fill with

708
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: other people. So if you talk about this, and I

709
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: can tell it's new for you to talk about, take

710
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: it from me because I've been at after about five years,

711
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: like really getting down it really does help people. And

712
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: you'll think at times you're yelling in a cave. You know,

713
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if hebody's hearing this, But then you'll

714
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: be somewhere in Modesto, California, and someone will come up

715
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: to you and go, I just went to this with

716
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: my my brother or my mom. And because of your story,

717
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: it helped me and you go, that's why I did

718
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: it well. And everybody sees yeah, everybody sees that person

719
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: on the screen. They see you, and I mean and

720
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: not that that isn't you where there's so much more that.

721
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: But you gotta try to live up to being yeah,

722
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: the stoic guy in this photo or whatever, and uh,

723
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And I like to be

724
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: that guy, but I like to be the guy that

725
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: was goofing off on the side over there or you know,

726
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: maybe it was you know, freaking out moments before that was.

727
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: And I wasn't on that photo shop, but there probably

728
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: was on you know whatever. I'm easily pretty laid back,

729
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: did anything professional. I'm always but you know, you bought

730
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: all those things up. You get worried about things that

731
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: you don't tell anybody, then you're just gonna get worse.

732
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: And then it's it's really kind of hitting it head on.

733
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: It's really helped helped me with that at transparency to

734
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: also connects so hard. Even when we use the word flaws,

735
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: but it's more so instead of a flaw, it's more

736
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 1: of a normalcy you know, I think we have to

737
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: say it as a flaw because I do it to

738
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: it like I'm super flawed. But you know what, I'm

739
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: just super normal. And I think if we start and

740
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 1: I'm going to I just I just fish your self

741
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 1: help book are writing one, So I'm like, I'm totally

742
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: in the head zone right now, and I've been studying

743
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: it for such a long time. I think it's even

744
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: how we address these things and just talking about them

745
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: and in places where you go, oh man, I'm really

746
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:52,959
Speaker 1: putting myself. You're actually just being normal. That's the being

747
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: vulnerable is actually being freaking normal, which is crazy. Anyway.

748
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: I know we didn't come in and talk about this,

749
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 1: but um, I like it that. I like where you're

750
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: going because you're gonna help people and it's gonna feel

751
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: weird sometimes, but you're really going to help people because

752
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 1: I've been able to the most important the whole reason

753
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 1: for my existence is for me to build a platform

754
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: to help people. Like That's what I feel now at

755
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: this point in my career. That's it. Like I have

756
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: swimpool now, that's cool, but you know what, I get

757
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: to help people. Yeah, Yeah, it's way freaking cooler. Let

758
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,759
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Speaker 1: near you. Okay, so you go out. Let's shift to

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Speaker 1: the music for a second. You go out, what song

782
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 1: is it? When you hit it early, like first couple

783
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 1: of notes, the crowds like jam like immediately, Um, I go, uh.

784
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: I think people I play you don't ship pretty early,

785
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: and I think that's that. Probably it is. Probably it's

786
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 1: probably that was in two thousand thirteen as my first

787
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: number one and it but I feel like it's almost

788
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: has a bit of It's not like it's a class

789
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: older or anything, but there's a little bit of nostalgia,

790
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:10,919
Speaker 1: like the kids that were listening to that in high

791
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: school now in the crowd, and that they were in

792
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 1: high school then and now they're a little bit older,

793
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: and that it kind of takes them back to that

794
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: summer when they were listening to song. Whatever it is,

795
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: that song always puts people in a great mood for

796
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 1: a show. So I played early and uh, but they

797
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: go oh yeah yeah and it You know, I wrote

798
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: this song Christa Stefano and actually Gorlean we sang the vote.

799
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: I wrote it in this little building on on music road,

800
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: and it's I think it's been flattened now it's total um.

801
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: But just Stephano just got to town. I think he

802
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: just moved here. And and uh Gorlian I've been singing

803
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: demos for him for years and of course he was

804
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: having hits then, always had eight hundred number ones or whatever.

805
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: But I did the vocal in the room. But that

806
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: day the first time I've ever done that. But it

807
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: was so real and it was and we just nailed it,

808
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: like right there. We had that track, we had that song, um,

809
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: and we just knew that this was something that could

810
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 1: kind of get me out there because I had Raymond

811
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 1: was my first one. Um, it was about my grandmother

812
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: had Alzheimer's. That went to number twenty three, which isn't terrible,

813
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: but it's not gonna get you to a crazy place. Um.

814
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 1: Then I had my second song it's called it Ain't

815
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: Gotta Be Love and never even charted. I don't think.

816
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,439
Speaker 1: So you put out Raymond then and it gotta be love.

817
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: I don't know it ain't gotta be loved. No one does.

818
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:45,760
Speaker 1: I don't think it's even online. Oh really yep, Um,

819
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 1: so that's gotta be a downer though, right, Like, you

820
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: put out a song, it doesn't go number one, but

821
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: it's your first song and it does make the top thirty.

822
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: So you're feeling yeah, and you're feeling like, okay, like

823
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 1: I'm in the game. Okay, I might not have one

824
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: that round, but I'm in the but I'm in the game.

825
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 1: But then you put out a second one and it

826
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: can't takes you back to earth. Huh. Yeah. When I

827
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 1: was spo Josh Zito, it just moved to Nashville. I

828
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: was his first signing it and uh, I think it

829
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: was Oh Night. He runs the Warner Brothers record, by

830
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: the way, Yes, so I think everybody. Uh he he

831
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: runs the Winner, and he just got the town. He had.

832
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: He came from New York, you know, totally no natural experience,

833
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: but a great music guy and a very smart music

834
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: business guy. It shows up to town and and uh

835
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: we hit it off right away, and he just I

836
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,919
Speaker 1: was his first signing. So we've always had this kind

837
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: of family, um, you know, like we've been in this

838
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: battle together from the beginning. And so he stuck with me.

839
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: Somewhartists get two singles and they're gone. You know, he

840
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: stuck with me. And then then I got I got

841
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: almost pissed, not at anybody, but mad that I was

842
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: doing something wrong or something, because you know, my if

843
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: you sign a record and you're like, oh, I want

844
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: my first song to be number one, and then it's

845
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: gonna take off and I'm gonna be huge right away overnight.

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00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: You know, that's what you think when because you're green

847
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: at that point, you're just a new artist. No one

848
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: has any reason to know you yet, but you think

849
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 1: everybody should know or do you want everyone to know

850
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: that theyre think that you're great or whatever, you know,

851
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: because that's what you've been striving for. So I put

852
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 1: those two songs out. He sticks with me. Then I

853
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: get kind of man, I was back then, I was

854
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 1: out of shape. I mean, I look more like a

855
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 1: like a like a bigger tight end or something. You know.

856
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: I was a little bit athletic, but there was a

857
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: little yeah, I was. I was. I was chubbier and

858
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: and and I was I would just was. I didn't

859
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: look like I cared as much, you know, And so

860
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, I'm gonna take all the

861
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: nose um And I was having fun and everything. I

862
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 1: just you know, I could have been healthier, and I

863
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: could have been I could have been working harder or something.

864
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: I'm always a perfectionist. That's part of my reason why,

865
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 1: you know, I've always worked about stuff because I'm always

866
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: wanting to be the best of myself. Not really, it's

867
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: more like an inner competition with myself. So I'm like,

868
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,720
Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna turn all the nose into yeses.

869
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 1: So if somebody says uh, and no one really said, hey,

870
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,479
Speaker 1: you're you could be in better shape and your style

871
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: could be better, but that's that could be it. So

872
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go getting I got. I went and got

873
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: in good shape, and I and I try to no

874
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 1: no one said that, really no one did, but I.

875
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: But I just gott so driven. It's like I don't

876
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 1: want to get this close to making it and never

877
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: know what it's like to So the main thing, but

878
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: even beyond all that, it probably could have worked without that.

879
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: The main thing that worked for me was I just

880
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: I got so driven to right as many songs that

881
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: I could really connect with. And that's when I just

882
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: got I started writing like two songs a day. And

883
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: that doesn't always work because then you're just writing songs.

884
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: But I was so driven in a way that is,

885
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: I want to be heard. I want to I want

886
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: to get some songs of connect with people. So I

887
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: started writing with people that I didn't usually write with,

888
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 1: and uh, kind of outside my comfort group of writing.

889
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: And I started making these connections with people, and I

890
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 1: started writing really special songs, like I wrote, uh, be

891
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: the music, don't you mean to meet? Several of those

892
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 1: songs within a pretty like a six month period once.

893
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: I really just kind of drove, and then I just

894
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: started going and going and and uh yeah, this kind

895
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: of started hitting. I was playing a songwriters round and

896
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: they bring me into kind of be you know. I

897
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: played some DOPEI songs and do some jokes. You know.

898
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,720
Speaker 1: It's and I get to play, luckily some pretty heavy

899
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 1: songwriter rounds because you were like, oh it's b um,

900
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: but I know my place too, and I tell some jokes.

901
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 1: Bay a minute a half. But I was playing with

902
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: Heather Morgan and she and you guys have written and

903
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,760
Speaker 1: so what have you guys done together? Piece of the music.

904
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: Lose my mind? Uh, he's the music, there's my mind

905
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: and my single right now? I loves them? Is that right?

906
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: She played bet to the music. Yeah, and she was

907
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: talking about you. That's three songs. So is she and

908
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 1: that Brett Elders camp? We have camps. Here is she

909
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 1: in the camp? Like if it's like we have some

910
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: of new project, we're gonna start writing for it? Do

911
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: you call Heather? Heather Morgan has more songs on my

912
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 1: record than any other writer on my new record, she

913
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: had five songs. So how did you guys get to

914
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: be you? Two? Though? Like this this team that writes you? Um?

915
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: Ross and Heather and I we couser songwriter. We who

916
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: I wrote. We wrote all the songs that we wrote

917
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: with Heather. I've been singles together, Mum is she? She

918
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: and Heather Ross and I. We were all kind of

919
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:53,439
Speaker 1: coming up together, uh A songwriters. I remember we're there's

920
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 1: an ask Cap Awards. One night. We didn't get to

921
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: go to ask Cap Awards. We thought we'd get to

922
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 1: go to the Atro party. We were all I don't know,

923
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: we all had publishing deals or not. I think I

924
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: just got it, maybe a publishing deal. I was working

925
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 1: on it and they were working on it, um and

926
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,919
Speaker 1: we we didn't. We got kicked out of the after

927
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: party because we weren't were on a list or you know. Yeah,

928
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: so we went over and we threw up. We didn't

929
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: throw a party. We just went into the publisher that

930
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: I was just signing with. They had this old, kind

931
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: of dated kitchen which is now shock to Yoga. Yeah

932
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 1: it was. It was old Famous Publishing and then it

933
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: became a couple other companies. But anyways, we went in

934
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: there and they had like a old bottle of tequila.

935
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: And back then, you know, I was just like twenty

936
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 1: early twenties, um, and so we had like there was

937
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: a bottle, old bottle of quila and had the worm

938
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 1: in the bottom, you know, we were, And so we

939
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: went there and had a couple of drinks of that

940
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 1: really cheap, crappy tequila, talked about how we wish we

941
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: were at that party, but at least we're doing this,

942
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 1: and then we just kind of bonded and the next thing,

943
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: you know, we started writing eventually, and it at we

944
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,879
Speaker 1: just kind of had that connection of knowing somebody when

945
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 1: they were at the very not very bottom, but at

946
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: the early stages when they didn't have anything, and known

947
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: and sharing that same thing with that person is is

948
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: the most powerful thing to make you inspired to get

949
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: success with that person and and celebrate together like the

950
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: freshman class going together and you made not you listen,

951
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 1: you're not in kindergarten. I mean, you're in a freaking

952
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: ninth grade or you're a freshman in college. But then

953
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: you're about to go to this whole new world together.

954
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: And now, just for reference for people listening to this,

955
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: Heather's got multiple Number one's great singer too. By the way,

956
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,399
Speaker 1: Ross Copperman went Songwriter of the Year last year, maybe

957
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: two years. Yeah, So I mean, and here you are

958
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 1: with all these number ones. I mean, so you're talking

959
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: about in this five year period or so, you go

960
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: from you can't even get in the afterparty much less

961
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: than the awards get the afterparty to all three of

962
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: you guys actually come into some sort of ascension there.

963
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: And that's pretty cool when you can do it together

964
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 1: and you can actually at times ride each other up

965
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: and help each other. Because what I realized through working

966
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: with my friends, because I've hired all my friends, my

967
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: whole show and just my friends, and they're all fantastic people,

968
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: which is why they're so good at what they do.

969
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: But there are times when I'm struggling and I can

970
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: grab Amy and she'll just take me right up with her,

971
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: or if or if you know Eddie struggling, we take

972
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: each other up. And it's cool to have those people.

973
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 1: And that's what it's about. You started to think for

974
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: a minutes about trophies and about number one, but then

975
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: once you go, huh, like what is this really? It's

976
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 1: like when the circus leaves town and it's all gone

977
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: and all it's slept is you know, streamers and trash everything,

978
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: who's still there standing next gen? You know what I mean? Like,

979
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: that's that's the most powerful the So you have this

980
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: second song and it bombs out, and that was then

981
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: when I got the warner. Are you done in your mind? No? No, no,

982
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 1: you know I was. I was far from done, you

983
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: know at that point. Some would say yeah, but I

984
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 1: I just felt, you know, And I will say that

985
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,280
Speaker 1: I had a lot of great you know, like my manager,

986
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 1: he was my attorney. He left his management gig too

987
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 1: two uh to manage me. He left his attorney gig

988
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 1: to manage me and just dropped all of that and

989
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 1: just take a bet on me. My day day manager

990
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 1: came from Atlantic the Record decided to come work with me.

991
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: My parents and my brother moved to town. Um, my

992
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:48,280
Speaker 1: brother's my business manager. Back then, he wasn't my business manager.

993
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 1: He was just helping you, my business manager with me,

994
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: and like all these different things, all these people came

995
00:47:55,960 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: around and we're supporting me. Um and and so I was.

996
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: I was just like, I just need some time to

997
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: get this right. And like I said, you know, some

998
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: artists don't get that much time. And it's like it

999
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: was a really long time, but I needed a minute

1000
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: of like, hey, don't don't give up on me. Just

1001
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: just watch what I'm gonna do kind of thing, you know,

1002
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: and people that that know I've got more in And

1003
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: you still need those people, you know, a hundred number

1004
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 1: ones or whatever it is, or or all the success

1005
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: and all these things, you still need those people pushing

1006
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: you and and being there for you when you reach

1007
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 1: certain accolades. Otherwise you know you're gonna stop. What do

1008
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:42,240
Speaker 1: you think about Nashville? What do I think about it? Um,

1009
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: it's different from what I mean, I've been here for

1010
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 1: I was here, oh six. So I got here. I

1011
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 1: was going to empty. I transferred from Elmhurst College UM

1012
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,879
Speaker 1: in Chicago, and I got and I went to Mt

1013
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: s U and then I would drive back and worth

1014
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: to Nashville every single day from Murphy's borro every day.

1015
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: That's like a depending on traffic depends, would be an

1016
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: hour forty minutes to an hour, just depends on the day.

1017
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:13,280
Speaker 1: So what I would do is I go to class

1018
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:15,919
Speaker 1: um and I would go. I was like, I'm gonna

1019
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna finish. When I started, I'm moving to Nashville

1020
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: to be a musician, to be a singer. Even before

1021
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 1: a songwriter, I was gonna be a singer. I didn't

1022
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: even know how to write songs, right, So I moved.

1023
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna move to Nashville. I'm gonna be a singer,

1024
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna finish school, got two years left. I'm

1025
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: gonna do all this. So I go. I drive to

1026
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,879
Speaker 1: Nashville to sleep on her friends couch. I would take

1027
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:39,800
Speaker 1: guitar lessons or I would write with random people um,

1028
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 1: and then I drive back. I go to class and

1029
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 1: I would I started getting this relationship with the teachers

1030
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 1: that they were I'd be like, I really want to

1031
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: do well in class, but up my what my dream

1032
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 1: is to be a singer. So I would literally bring

1033
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,439
Speaker 1: in demos and playing like almost all my teachers were

1034
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: very supportive of my music to the point where, like

1035
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 1: they knew, they would stay after class and help me

1036
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: if I wasn't getting something, because I knew I was

1037
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: putting a lot of time on that, but I really

1038
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: cared about getting the class, getting through the class, and

1039
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 1: I went and sang it like one of my teachers,

1040
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: what was it like morning, I don't know what it

1041
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 1: was like, almost like a church group or I don't

1042
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,760
Speaker 1: remember what you call kawanas whatever, one of those things

1043
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: I developed with the relations to these people because they

1044
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: really cared, which is great. You don't have teachers like that,

1045
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: and I'm such a supporter of education and teachers. But

1046
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: they stuck with me, and so I when I was

1047
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: supposed So eventually I got a publishing deal before right

1048
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: before I graduated to write songs. I learned kind of

1049
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: about songwriting within a couple of years, and then I

1050
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: signed a publishing deal right before I was supposed to

1051
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: walk in graduation. I was playing at q West that

1052
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: songwriter festival when I was supposed to be walking, So

1053
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: it kind of just from that moment I was in it.

1054
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: I've never I still have those dreams all the time.

1055
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: That I didn't finish college because I didn't have closure

1056
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 1: on the fact that I didn't. You know, you know

1057
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: that I feel like like even with high school or

1058
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: whatever it is, I get those dreams all the time

1059
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: that I that I didn't study for this chiantest, I'm

1060
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 1: about to fail or whatever. Well I got my I

1061
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: got my di poema somewhere. I still have no idea

1062
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 1: what it is. You should probably hang it up next

1063
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: to my awards because that's just as important. But even

1064
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 1: if I don't ever use it, at least I finished it.

1065
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 1: But then I that's not a publishing deal. Grinded around

1066
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: and yeah that like I love I still love Nashville.

1067
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: It's just so different from what it was then. I mean,

1068
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: do you learn, for one, the music business side. You

1069
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: learned so much more about the music business. But then

1070
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: it's like seeing Disney World, and do be wrong. I

1071
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: still love the music business. I love. There's certain things

1072
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: I don't love about it. Obviously, there's all of us

1073
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 1: don't love all the aspects about it. But you know,

1074
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: it's like seeing Disney World. And then then when you

1075
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: really dive into the music business, you see all the

1076
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 1: all the things behind the curtains and all that. You

1077
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,439
Speaker 1: know that you with that his head. Yeah, yeah, oh yeah,

1078
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: this is what so you grow up pretty quick in that.

1079
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 1: And uh then I and this town has been amazing

1080
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 1: for me. It's just it's just it's for one, it's

1081
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: grown that crazy. It's different, but I think it's still

1082
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: it's still got, you know, some of the still it's

1083
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 1: still got the community that it's it's different. You know,

1084
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,240
Speaker 1: we don't we don't go in and record demo sessions

1085
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: the same way we used to. Everything is always going

1086
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: to change, no matter what line of business, the way

1087
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: things are done, it has changed. As long as you're

1088
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: good with adapting with from that. They might take a

1089
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: minute to get used to that change, but you're used.

1090
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,240
Speaker 1: Yeah that was not that. I mean, it's it sounds

1091
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 1: like I was two hundred years ago. But when I

1092
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: first started, you didn't see that many phones back when

1093
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: I was first record two thousand and ten the Pony Express. Ye.

1094
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 1: So but I still there's still a magic in in

1095
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: in Nashville. And uh, I still you know, look at

1096
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: the the city skyline and thing, this is a this

1097
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:03,839
Speaker 1: is a magic place. And I and I still see

1098
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: myself as a kid driving through here, going to Destin,

1099
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: Florida on vacation, seeing do you know the Batman Tower

1100
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 1: and thinking how cool? And that's music city. That's that's

1101
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: what I'm you know, I'm a I'm a music kid.

1102
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: You know that That like and capsulates who I am

1103
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: in some way. I don't even know what. I've never

1104
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: even gone down Broadway, but I see that and I

1105
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 1: think there's something magic about it. Then you get and

1106
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,399
Speaker 1: you eventually get to see it and and uh, it's

1107
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 1: gone pretty well. Yeah, it has gone pretty well. Let's

1108
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: run through a list of these songs real quick. So

1109
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 1: let's see. Let's up first, Why don't we hit a

1110
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: little Raymond that we mentioned earlier. Here's the first thing

1111
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 1: here is don't you? Because I can see you a

1112
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: little closer closer, girl, I gotta get to get to

1113
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 1: know you, know you everything a batch it makes me,

1114
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 1: won't you? Won't you know what you're doing? Baby? Don't sit,

1115
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 1: don't ship be to the music right here? That song

1116
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 1: you know that you mean to me? And then he

1117
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 1: jam after jam you like you know this song? Dam

1118
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: I remember when you came in by this song. He

1119
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 1: came into the studio and it was a first, I

1120
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 1: think we've premared on the show, and I was like, man,

1121
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 1: that song is a freaking jam. I remember coming in

1122
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: and playing part you. I remember you saying that you

1123
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 1: were I won't compliment something if I don't really feel

1124
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: great about I'll go, hey, how about that? Like look

1125
00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: at you? How about that you made a new song,

1126
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: But I won't. Yeah, look that music thing you do

1127
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 1: put this song to me was such a jam when

1128
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:13,839
Speaker 1: you brought it in that it's this one's really fun

1129
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: to play live. People literally lose their mind just because

1130
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 1: it's kind of a really bottled up energy that it's

1131
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 1: so fun to play live, drunk on your love drunk.

1132
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 1: I'm good at singing this one. This long Yeah, I

1133
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: want to be that song. I want to song. 're

1134
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 1: talking about this The Long Way Here. Of all of

1135
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 1: your songs, this was my favorite, just pure song like

1136
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 1: it made me feel something. And this wasn't number one song,

1137
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 1: but it's funny how this happens, and this is my

1138
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 1: this one is my favorite, The long Way right here me?

1139
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 1: Did you write this one? Okay? You're you're saying these

1140
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: words and I'm going, good, God, Like, this is how

1141
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:10,839
Speaker 1: I feel. This is how I feel that I want

1142
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 1: to feel one day. That's that's the first pective I write.

1143
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 1: It's how I feel that I want to feel. And

1144
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 1: you're singing this and I'm going, oh, I understand the

1145
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 1: words he's singing. That doesn't happen to me with a

1146
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: lot of songs. But when I heard this song, I go, oh,

1147
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:25,799
Speaker 1: I want to feel like that's exactly how I feel

1148
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 1: I want to feel. And I know it didn't hit

1149
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 1: number one, but at this point, who cares, right, But

1150
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: I'm just letting you know. As a songwriter, it's hard

1151
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 1: to really touch. There's only been in a couple of

1152
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 1: songs in my life where I go, oh, I get

1153
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 1: I get that, not not just sing along, but I

1154
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:43,839
Speaker 1: kind of feel it like in your your ribs. This

1155
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 1: was one of them, man Like, it really was. And

1156
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: you know where you'll end up hearing all the songs

1157
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 1: all the time, so yeah, you know. And I think

1158
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 1: that you hit it on the head of yet even

1159
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: if you're not feeling that, you want to feel that.

1160
00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody has that longing for a connection. Love that.

1161
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 1: And yeah, I'm a single guy too, and and and

1162
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: that's how I write loves. I Think I'm Home was

1163
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 1: kind of scared when I actually do fall in love,

1164
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 1: Like will my love songs be is good because I

1165
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: write from a standpoint of this is how I feel love,

1166
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 1: how I picture and how magic it can be. And

1167
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: I know it can be magic. I mean I know

1168
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: it's I know it's a real thing. But how when

1169
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: I'm writing a love song, I'm I'm describing, you know

1170
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 1: what I what I feel like. I would love to

1171
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: have much with the long way. It's you know, I

1172
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: want to get to note, yeah, the heart of a

1173
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: person and in a more depth way of of seeing

1174
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 1: all the stuff that you know somebody might not ask

1175
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 1: him about and you want to want to get to know.

1176
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Like there's a to me I

1177
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: out here and I go, oh that it's not what

1178
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 1: I it's what I want to want. But that song, like,

1179
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: that's one of the few over the last five or

1180
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: six years in my little run here where I go, oh,

1181
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 1: man like that kind but I feel that one. So

1182
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 1: if there was a b c M, like a Bobby

1183
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 1: Country Music award you that that that was a good one.

1184
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 1: The love someone here's this song right here's doing? I think,

1185
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: yeah bad? Just put it out O what's that tell

1186
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 1: me about this one. Yeah, you know I wrote this

1187
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 1: with Ross and Heather, which we have a way of writing.

1188
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 1: I think are kind of our wheelhouse is writing these

1189
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: feel good kind of songs like this to be the

1190
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 1: music you know, Uh, there's my mind, but this kind

1191
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 1: of d be the music, kind of van kind of

1192
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 1: song where it's it just feels good. Uh. You know,

1193
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 1: I came off I want to be that song into

1194
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 1: the long way, and I felt like I want to

1195
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 1: the right song for the moment. It was this, you know,

1196
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 1: when I when we were cutting this album, I knew

1197
00:58:57,160 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: I wanted to get this song out, um because I,

1198
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 1: for one, I love to I love certain songs that

1199
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: just feel great when you sing him live. And I

1200
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: love songs what you turn it on you don't have

1201
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: to think about too much. You just know that's gonna

1202
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: make your smile, it's gonna make you feel good. And

1203
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 1: and I think feel good connects with a lot of people,

1204
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: especially when it has some when it has heart to it.

1205
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 1: I feel like this one has heart to it. You

1206
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 1: don't have to think about a lot. And I just

1207
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: I just I woke up one morning. I literally, um,

1208
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 1: I woke up and it's like, hey, Alexa, play Love Someone.

1209
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 1: I was trying to pick pick a single, which is

1210
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 1: the worst experience sometimes when you're trying to decide between songs, um,

1211
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 1: because you're so in the middle of all of that.

1212
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 1: It's hard. Yeah, and you're picking a song that you're

1213
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 1: hopefully going to be singing for decades or whatever. You know,

1214
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 1: so if you want to love it. So I told Alexa,

1215
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 1: I said, play love Someone. And I just laid there

1216
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 1: in bed for a minute. I just felt good, and

1217
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 1: you get you gotta you gotta feel in your heart

1218
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 1: like you gotta feel really good in your heart that

1219
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 1: that with the song you're releasing, like you don't have

1220
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 1: any regret. And I remember playing telling Alexa to play it,

1221
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 1: and I heard it and it was between that another

1222
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 1: song and uh, and I just it was it was

1223
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 1: a one simple is that? And people love it live

1224
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 1: and the crowd. That's uh, one of the probably the

1225
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 1: most favorite live songs. That's not a single. It's definitely

1226
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 1: a smiley faced song. Yeah, those songs I feel like

1227
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 1: when you hear let's go, oh, I feel good. Yeah,

1228
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 1: you don't have to really think about it. I look

1229
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 1: at you with all the songs and the beard, and yeah,

1230
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 1: so do I'm never only one time. I've never had

1231
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 1: my beard in my career. Um, since I mean I

1232
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 1: like a really short beard when I first started, but

1233
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 1: was I want to be That song video was the

1234
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 1: first time I didn't have a beard in years. I

1235
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 1: shot all the stuff of playing my original self in

1236
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 1: the music video with my beard and everything, and then

1237
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 1: we shaved my beard completely, and I mean we people

1238
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 1: were so freaked out. It's so only because I only

1239
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 1: know you as a beard. Yeah, so if everybody only

1240
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 1: knows you, it's like if your friends completely chase their

1241
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 1: head or something like, I don't know who that person is.

1242
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: I mean you can literally a person can literally change

1243
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 1: in your mind. Their personas can probably change if they

1244
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 1: change there then eventually get used to that and it

1245
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 1: becomes normal. Of course, I wasn't gonna stay with that

1246
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 1: because I liked the beard because there was weird. I

1247
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 1: looked like I was twelve. But um, I've always had

1248
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 1: the beard other than that video, and I scared a

1249
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 1: lot of people and uh, but it was fun. At

1250
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 1: you What do you tall? Are you six almost six

1251
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 1: five six four and a half. When did you stop growing? Uh?

1252
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 1: I started growing like uh into sophomore in the junior

1253
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 1: year high school. So like I was, I was playing basketball, baseball, football,

1254
01:01:55,440 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 1: and then I quit football and basketball. I think through

1255
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 1: the sophomore year I quit basketball. I think football out

1256
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 1: refreshment because I didn't get big yet. Then I got big,

1257
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 1: and that was that was a pretty good athlete. But

1258
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 1: I got big, and so I already quit those I

1259
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 1: still played baseball for four years and uh, it's like

1260
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:16,960
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna stick with the music thing. I still

1261
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 1: love to play sports and everything that. You know, I

1262
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 1: didn't have the high until later. I'm throwing out the

1263
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:23,439
Speaker 1: first pitch at the Cubs game in a few weeks.

1264
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 1: So I'm a diary Cubs fan too, Like, yeah, I

1265
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 1: saw you wearing the Cubs hat like maybe yesterday or something. Yeah,

1266
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 1: I'm so done yet I haven't because I haven't been

1267
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 1: cool enough. And not that I'm cool now, but people

1268
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 1: think I'm cooler now. I'm no cooler. I just now

1269
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 1: have more active so people will go so it must

1270
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 1: be cool, right, So They've invited me to come and

1271
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 1: throw out the first pitch and so I'm gonna go up.

1272
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 1: But but like I'm a fan from like my favorite

1273
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 1: player ever was Mark Grace. Yeah, uh so Mark gret

1274
01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 1: But I mean for me, it was like Mark Grace,

1275
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 1: Ryan Sandburg, Shawn Dunston advanced, Damon Barry Hill. You know,

1276
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 1: Joe Girardi was catching. I mean, I can run through

1277
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 1: all the lineups, even Leon Durham before. I'm hard at

1278
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 1: core Chicago Cubs fan, and so it was kind of

1279
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:15,919
Speaker 1: cool watching another Chicago Cubs fan that I know get

1280
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 1: to experience it because that's your hometown, that's your home team.

1281
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:20,760
Speaker 1: And when they won the World Series, like I skipped

1282
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 1: them as you went. I skipped and watched it at home,

1283
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:27,600
Speaker 1: but you went and skipped them as to go to

1284
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 1: the game. That was a big It wasn't that at

1285
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 1: best decision of my life? I would say I went

1286
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 1: to Game five and they lost Game four, Game five,

1287
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 1: whatever is it regularly? Game five and they lost. Um

1288
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 1: still the greatest experience Wrigleyville. You couldn't even walk in

1289
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 1: the stadium. You couldn't walk, and everyone was bumping in

1290
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 1: each other, but it was the happiest bump in. It

1291
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 1: was like it's been nine we've even been here. It

1292
01:03:56,600 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 1: wasn't it awesome? It was magic man? And I I'll

1293
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 1: send you a clip of it. I don't know if

1294
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:04,960
Speaker 1: I ever puts it or not, but my so, I

1295
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 1: got to bring my dad. I literally, um, I was

1296
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 1: supposed to do something for the words. I can't remember,

1297
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 1: but I had this really nice like tom Ford tux

1298
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 1: or whatever, like something really nice for the show, all

1299
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 1: this stuff picked out. Uh, we win game six whatever,

1300
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 1: and there's like, I call my management everybody like there's

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01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:30,240
Speaker 1: no way I'm not going to this game. I don't

1302
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 1: care whatever. You know, my whole, my grandfather, all those

1303
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 1: people be rolling the graves right now thinking that I'm

1304
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 1: not going to this game. My whole. It's part of

1305
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 1: you know, who I am. And so I got to

1306
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 1: call my dad and say, I don't know what you

1307
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 1: got going on, but you're going to the Cubs game.

1308
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 1: And my brother and we all got on a plane.

1309
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 1: I hung up the tucks in the in the closet

1310
01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:58,520
Speaker 1: and I put on a one of those old like

1311
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 1: uh I eat white blue Cubs jackets and and went

1312
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 1: up to Cleveland and you got to do it with

1313
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 1: your family. Yeah, And that was crazy. My so, my

1314
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 1: Cubs history comes from my stepdad and his dad. And

1315
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't have a dad until I got

1316
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:21,440
Speaker 1: you know, sixth seventh grade or so. But you know,

1317
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 1: in my family, like, I've never told another human that

1318
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 1: I loved him. I had these issues, therapy issues, but

1319
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 1: my mom we didn't have a communication, we didn't talk.

1320
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 1: But my stepdad came into my life. It was a

1321
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:32,040
Speaker 1: big influence on me and was the first real stable

1322
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 1: thing that I had in seventh six seventh grade, right,

1323
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 1: And so he was a huge Cubs fan too, and

1324
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 1: I said, hey, the first thing, the first time when

1325
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 1: I started making any money at all, I said, hey,

1326
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna go. He'd never been regularly filled. So I

1327
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 1: went to regular film and it was the coolest first

1328
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:48,000
Speaker 1: of it was the coolest thing for me to get

1329
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 1: to take him. It was the coolest thing for him.

1330
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 1: And it was the only time we've ever hugged each

1331
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 1: other really, and it's yeah, and you still that's always

1332
01:05:56,800 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 1: absolutely and the reason and you can go back layers,

1333
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 1: but the reason that we hugged is because of the Cubs,

1334
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 1: which is because of sports, which is because of the

1335
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 1: bond I mean, and that is really one of the

1336
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 1: things that I so after the Cubs game, and you'll

1337
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 1: never forget that, never forget it talking about you when

1338
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 1: you say, you know you get your day, Like I'm going,

1339
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 1: oh yeah, well yeah, Like I totally get it. That's so.

1340
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 1: And I mean Wrigley Field has that certain magic about

1341
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 1: it and just but yeah, I think baseball. You know,

1342
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 1: if you break sports down, you don't you don't want

1343
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:34,720
Speaker 1: to overthink it. But you know, with sports, like with

1344
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 1: baseball especially, I think the fact that it has so

1345
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 1: much history to it, in the in the classic nostalgia

1346
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:42,920
Speaker 1: of it, there's some kind of magic to it. I

1347
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:44,440
Speaker 1: feel like you tie all that in, you tie in

1348
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:47,440
Speaker 1: passionate somebody something that they're really passionate about like that,

1349
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 1: and you can share that with somebody that's that's there's

1350
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 1: something really special about that. And also losing with people

1351
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 1: for a long time. Yeah, hit on the head of that,

1352
01:06:56,840 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 1: Like like they're only a couple of years in our

1353
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 1: lives as Cup fans where we got to experience any

1354
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 1: sort of winning at all, not even a championship like

1355
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 1: for those of our sports fans. Nineteen o eight was

1356
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:09,920
Speaker 1: the last year when Brett talks about his grandfather's grandpa

1357
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 1: to watch a Cubs victor. Whole life, there was Cubs

1358
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:16,960
Speaker 1: World Series they were the longest professional American team to

1359
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 1: not win a championship in any sport ever. And so

1360
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:22,920
Speaker 1: you know who your people are when you can lose

1361
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 1: with them like that, you can win with anybody. And

1362
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 1: I'm talking about this is a metaphor for life too.

1363
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 1: You can have number ones with anybody. That's the easy part.

1364
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 1: Who are you gonna be with when the song is

1365
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:35,760
Speaker 1: taken out when it doesn't even chart. That's being a

1366
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:38,400
Speaker 1: Cubs fan. That's going through all the Tank songs, through

1367
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:41,800
Speaker 1: all the years, and then finally you got that number one.

1368
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 1: That's that much? Is that much sweeter? And now people

1369
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 1: are like, Joe Man sucks, shut up, get shut up. Yeah,

1370
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:52,040
Speaker 1: let me look at this. We've been how long we've

1371
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 1: been talking? An hour in six minutes? Look at that.

1372
01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:58,200
Speaker 1: We just might as well date. How long do we

1373
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:03,480
Speaker 1: have now with Infinity? I? Um, I got on Bumble

1374
01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:09,120
Speaker 1: today terrible. Well, Mike met his girlfriend bumble birthday we're

1375
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:12,000
Speaker 1: talking about on the show this morning? Is your birthday too? Yeah,

1376
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 1: d have a birthday? And then yeah, I got do

1377
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 1: you get on this stuff? I'm not on bumble. I

1378
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:21,559
Speaker 1: got on to Yeah, I've been on that. It's even worse.

1379
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 1: It's it's it's a similar, it's like a it's like

1380
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 1: video game or something weird. I don't know. The weirdest

1381
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:31,840
Speaker 1: thing for me is I get on Ray and people

1382
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 1: are I see people from here in town, and I'm like, well,

1383
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 1: this is awkward because now if we don't match, if

1384
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:42,040
Speaker 1: we do match, if you have to pick them. But

1385
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:43,840
Speaker 1: I think I'm about to get off. I don't think

1386
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:46,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stay on this thing. I feel like, I mean,

1387
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 1: I mean, then there's great stories where now they're a

1388
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 1: happy couple and everything, and then you know a lot

1389
01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 1: of people meet on there, and then there's also the

1390
01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 1: fact that you just sit there and you stare to

1391
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:01,720
Speaker 1: screaming and start believe in all these false you know,

1392
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:04,639
Speaker 1: certain things or whatever. It's it's it's weird. I don't

1393
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:05,880
Speaker 1: you don't have to say who it is. I want

1394
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:08,800
Speaker 1: to show you one of these person I saw today

1395
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 1: and I was like, and then you see him in public?

1396
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:14,040
Speaker 1: And do you bring it up here? Me find it?

1397
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 1: So this is you're probably I'm sure you'll know who

1398
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 1: this is. For sure, you'll know that. Ye. So I

1399
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 1: see her and I'm like, well, what if she sees

1400
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 1: me on this thing, and then we see each other,

1401
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 1: do you bring it up, like, Hey, I saw you

1402
01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 1: on the date dating a half. I mean, I feel

1403
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:38,040
Speaker 1: like anybody that singles on because I've never been on

1404
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 1: one until now. I just got it and I don't

1405
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 1: do anything. So I got all of them. It was like,

1406
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:46,000
Speaker 1: let me sign up. I mean, I don't know what

1407
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:48,599
Speaker 1: I feel like at some certain I mean nowadays, which

1408
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:52,000
Speaker 1: is so strange. I mean, can you imagine like or

1409
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:55,960
Speaker 1: even our parents or ain't any duration about ten years

1410
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 1: ago because it didn't exist, you know, seeing this stuff,

1411
01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:02,840
Speaker 1: like what in the world? This just but um, I

1412
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:05,439
Speaker 1: mean maybe it's a maybe it's a good thing. It is.

1413
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:07,599
Speaker 1: Get busy living or get busy dying after we're talking

1414
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:10,600
Speaker 1: about the whole time. I get with it, or you

1415
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:13,120
Speaker 1: might as well as go however you find it, you

1416
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:17,559
Speaker 1: find it, that's right. But listen, listen. We've we've said

1417
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:20,720
Speaker 1: a lot here. It's been good, really good. I've enjoyed that.

1418
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:23,800
Speaker 1: We we've always talked about playing racketball against each other,

1419
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 1: and I feel like we're we both isolate ourselves in

1420
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 1: our tiny circles and we don't out of our circles.

1421
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:30,360
Speaker 1: Both of us still let's make the pack now. Then

1422
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:34,519
Speaker 1: we're going out. We're going outside of our zones. Yeah,

1423
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:37,559
Speaker 1: I think we probably should. I haven't played in a

1424
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 1: long time, haven't. I mean you can pick it different sport, No, no, no,

1425
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:45,160
Speaker 1: I think that's the one that we both have probably

1426
01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:50,040
Speaker 1: equally away from and suffing. So um, yeah, I think

1427
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:54,880
Speaker 1: that we we probably could be friendish. Yeah, I mean

1428
01:10:54,920 --> 01:11:00,800
Speaker 1: we're both kind of odd, probably a little odder, but yeah,

1429
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:03,200
Speaker 1: I think they'll listen. It's a good talk for like

1430
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:07,880
Speaker 1: about So anyway, Brett, you probably if you hear this,

1431
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:11,519
Speaker 1: it's June when this is going up and when we're

1432
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:13,400
Speaker 1: cutting this. But these things last three years and years.

1433
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:16,400
Speaker 1: But I'll say this his latest current song, it's called

1434
01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:18,519
Speaker 1: love Someone. He probably has ten number one since then.

1435
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:23,200
Speaker 1: You probably listen to this and get on your jet

1436
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:24,960
Speaker 1: pack and just play it. You know, it's in the

1437
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:28,000
Speaker 1: Eldridge Museum right now and they're playing this back over

1438
01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 1: the speakers. But congratulations on your success. May Oh yeah, yeah,

1439
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:37,679
Speaker 1: how about that. I wonder I asked for sales Nomber

1440
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:40,840
Speaker 1: you boy, you look at record sales like, oh, of

1441
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:45,000
Speaker 1: course you can't notot. I mean it's it's hard. I

1442
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 1: think you look and then you try to not look,

1443
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 1: but you're always gonna you'd be lyve no one. But

1444
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 1: I just got the numbers. And here's the thing. So

1445
01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:57,559
Speaker 1: I don't know how books, you know, I don't know

1446
01:11:57,560 --> 01:12:01,519
Speaker 1: how books work. So so um, i'll I'll just compare

1447
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:04,320
Speaker 1: to So nowadays, if you sell, I mean a big

1448
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 1: record week would be in your mind what now? Uh,

1449
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:11,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, used to be like listen in two

1450
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:13,400
Speaker 1: thousand two is a million? You know, if somebody does

1451
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:15,800
Speaker 1: a hundred thousand, that's a huge week if you do,

1452
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:20,880
Speaker 1: like I'd say, Like, so I had mind compared to

1453
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:23,800
Speaker 1: album sales because my first book did well. It was

1454
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:25,680
Speaker 1: the best off for four weeks. And I was like, oh,

1455
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 1: they say sequels never, it's not my second book, self

1456
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:30,559
Speaker 1: help book. It's not a it's not a story book,

1457
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:33,000
Speaker 1: but it's not the same. But it's still me, you know,

1458
01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:37,880
Speaker 1: it's pretty idiotic. Um So my second book actually better

1459
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:40,120
Speaker 1: than my first book. So if it were comparable to

1460
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 1: record sales, they broke it down. It'd be if I

1461
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:44,439
Speaker 1: were to sell a hundred and thirty thousand records week one,

1462
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:46,880
Speaker 1: which is really freaking good, especially for someone like me

1463
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 1: who's not I don't. I'm not a good writer, but

1464
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:52,200
Speaker 1: I think I write much like you do with your song.

1465
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:54,800
Speaker 1: I think I write to and for my people. I

1466
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:57,160
Speaker 1: don't try to write above them because I'm not above them.

1467
01:12:57,600 --> 01:12:59,240
Speaker 1: And if I try to write above them, I'm trying

1468
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:01,280
Speaker 1: to take something. See you right, Yeah, yeah, they'll call

1469
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 1: you out on it, right absolutely. So yeah. Just I

1470
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:04,800
Speaker 1: mean as we were talking, I just saw a text.

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Speaker 1: I was like, so, what you so it was equivalent,

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Speaker 1: it was it was bigger than the first week. Yeah. Thanks,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Um, I love someone Red Elder relatest song.

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Speaker 1: If you're in Mars. Thank you for listening. Until next time,

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Speaker 1: my friend. And this has been episode. Let me thank

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Speaker 1: also sleep in number and thank you very much. Bred

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Speaker 1: elderde episode one twenty seven. Until next time, everybody, m