1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: You're listening to the I Heart Radio and Coast to 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: Coast A and Paranormal Podcast Network, where we offer you 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 1: podcasts of the supernatural and the unexplained. Getting ready now 4 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: for Shades of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain. The thoughts 5 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: and opinions expressed by the host our thoughts and opinions only, 6 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 1: and do not necessarily reflect those of I Heart Media, 7 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio, Coast to Coast A out employees of 8 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: premier networks or their sponsors and associates. You are encouraged 9 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: to do the proper amount of research yourself, depending on 10 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: the subject matter and your needs. Hi. I'm Sandra Champlain. 11 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: For almost twenty five years, I've been on a journey 12 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: to prove the existence of life after death. On each episode, 13 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: will discuss the reasons we now know that our loved 14 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: ones have survived physical death and so will we. Welcome 15 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: to Shades of the Afterlife. Hello. The first thing I 16 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: want to say is thank you so much for listening. 17 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 1: Whether you're a longtime listener or you just started listening 18 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 1: to Shades of the Afterlife, I couldn't appreciate it more. 19 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: You're definitely a like minded soul. Here on a journey 20 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: to learn what's out there and what's possible. And you 21 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: may or may not know this, but wherever you are 22 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:32,559 Speaker 1: sitting or standing or walking listening to this around you, 23 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: you have loved ones cheering you on every step of 24 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: the way. I've witnessed so many miracles in the last 25 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,559 Speaker 1: almost twenty five years, and I just hope to share 26 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: them with you on every episode so that you may 27 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: feel the joy that I feel. Now Do I feel 28 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: at twenty four hours a day, seven days a week. No. 29 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: By nature of being human, we forget who we really are, 30 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: and I think that's part of the human design. I 31 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: really do. So. Anyways, let's continue today. I want to 32 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: introduce you to Christo Gorman. She's the author of I 33 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 1: Died and Learned How to Live. Yes, this is another 34 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: story of a near death experience, but it's amazing. She's 35 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: a lovely lady, and she's made a real promise to 36 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 1: share what she's learned in the afterlife with people to 37 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 1: live more powerful life. Krista, Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Hi, Sandra, 38 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 1: I'm so happy to be here. Oh, we're so glad 39 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: you're here. We really are so In your own words, 40 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: why don't you tell us about you and tell us 41 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: your story. What happened. I had just graduated from my 42 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: physitionists and training program and it was the end of 43 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: June two thousand and I was due to have my 44 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 1: daughter about three weeks later. And what has happened was 45 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: at my Funny Week ultrasound, which is five months they 46 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: get an ultrasound, they can determine the sack and they 47 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: check all the organs and every thing. They had seen 48 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: that there was something wrong with my daughter's kidney. So 49 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: they said, well, you know what, it's probably a good 50 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: idea if we take her and do two a week 51 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: early and have her seen by a specialist. So I 52 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: kind of reluctantly agree to that. I knew that it 53 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: was something that needed to be done medically. At the 54 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:19,519 Speaker 1: same time, I really wanted to be able to deliver 55 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: her in a natural way. I was fearful um that 56 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 1: because I didn't agree that something that there would be 57 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: a bad outcome. So I said, okay, let's do it. 58 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: I went into the hospital on a Sunday evening and 59 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: started the induction, and by the next morning, about thirteen 60 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: hours later, I had only dilated about three centimeters, so 61 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: they said, you know what, this has gone on long enough. 62 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: What we need to do is probably do a C section. 63 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: We'll give you a little bit more time. So once 64 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: that decision was made, it wasn't very much longer that 65 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: I was, you know, continuing in labor. I hadn't etho 66 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: dural and I was watching the monitor next to the 67 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 1: vent and being a p A, I knew what the 68 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: tracing on the monitors should look like whenever I had 69 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: a contraction, And what was happening was that when I 70 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: did have a contraction, my daughter's heart rate would drop 71 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: very very low, dangerously low. And I knew that they don't. 72 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: You know, that's not tolerated UM. The instant that happened, 73 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: the decisions quickly made what to do, and it's almost 74 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: always a Cecerean section, so that's exactly what was going 75 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: to occur. So as they had to put an internal 76 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 1: monitor on on my daughter's scalp, which is a metal 77 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: for the metal quorkscrew, and it monitors her pulse very closely. 78 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: It's it's the most accurate way to measure it UM 79 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: until the C section was performed. So they were doing 80 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: that and all of a sudden, I just felt like 81 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: I couldn't, you know, I was getting shorter breath and 82 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: it was it was very very quick um the um 83 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: as it progressed in its severity, and you know, in 84 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 1: seconds and the matter seconds, I was gasping for air. 85 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: So they were and they were reeling me out of 86 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 1: the room. You know, the staff of the hospital just 87 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 1: acted very quickly, and they were moving me out of 88 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: the room. And I remember being in the hallway on 89 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 1: my side with an oxygen mask on me, trying to 90 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: take deep breaths and I just couldn't. It was I 91 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 1: was very you know, looke um more and more shallow breathing, 92 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: and I just remember I was struggling, and then just 93 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 1: there was this instant of just dramatic serenity that just 94 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: came over me, and I knew that everything was going 95 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: to be okay. And then the lights went out, and 96 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 1: uh so then the next thing, So that was the 97 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: last thing I remember there. And then the next thing 98 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 1: I remember was being high above my body, my eyes, 99 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: my my vision had remained intact, and I was looking 100 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 1: down high above my body at this scene going on 101 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: below me, and I was also seeing black sort of 102 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: particulate matter rapidly coming up to where I was like 103 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: approaching me my eyes and then I was I kind 104 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 1: of looked around at myself and I was sort of 105 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: the static like cloud kind of hovering there and I leoked, 106 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: so it kind of glanced around me at the level 107 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 1: I was at, and I thought at the walls that 108 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: were kind of fluid, and down below me was something 109 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: laying on a bed, and what was going on below 110 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: me I didn't recognize. I didn't I couldn't put a 111 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 1: label to anything. It was just activity, and I didn't 112 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: know there were people. I didn't know that was my body. 113 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,720 Speaker 1: But I'm watching the scene and it's fascinating to me. 114 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: And I saw my daughter literally being born being handed 115 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 1: to somebody at my right shoulder, and while I was 116 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: watching that, they turned around very quickly and what they 117 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 1: were doing was resuscitating her. And I remember feeling late, wait, 118 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 1: I want to see what what are you doing? And 119 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: then I saw somebody come into the room and step 120 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 1: up to the to the side of my body, and 121 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,239 Speaker 1: from what I understand, that was a specialist who had 122 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: responded to the code blue and was coming into help. 123 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 1: And then I kind of went around to the to 124 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 1: the left side of my body and was looking for 125 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: that angle, and I started to feel like it was 126 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: more familiar, like wow, you know, wait, this is something 127 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 1: I know. And as I started to feel that, I 128 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: felt something pulling me from the left and it was 129 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: like a tug and so no, now I want to say, 130 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: I want to see this, and then it pulled harder. 131 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: So I decided to let go. I decided to go 132 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: with that. And the instant I made that decision, I 133 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: was moving at you know, white new speed, UM, and 134 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: I moved through a white like a white space. It 135 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: wasn't a bright light, but it was just intensely white, 136 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: very brief into that space that was just expanding, you know, 137 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: infinitely UM. But yet I was very very small, um. 138 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: The place I was in, I was very tiny, but 139 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: I felt like I was expanding at the same time, 140 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: I was the particular matter that had rejoined this particular 141 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: matter that I was in, and it was like an 142 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: immersion and it was just pure blissful love. And I 143 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: felt that and I felt Wow, it was just just 144 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: such an intense, rapid kind of feeling. And then instantaneously 145 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: all the questions I've ever had in my life were answered, 146 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: just in a nano second, and what they all boiled 147 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: down to here was love. Every single question boiled down 148 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: to us. And so I had that knowledge then at 149 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: that moment, and was continuing to move into space, and 150 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: on my right, I saw that there was a small 151 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: gray sort of dot in the distance, and as I approached, 152 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 1: it got larger and larger. It was drawing me in, 153 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: and at the same time I wanted to go and 154 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: see what that was. I had that desire, and so 155 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:44,599 Speaker 1: I came up and I was getting closer to it, 156 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: and I could see that there would these shadow like 157 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: figures in the opening of space. It was sort of 158 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: a circle and very ill defined, and inside, just inside 159 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: that opening, there was a shadow figure of a little boy, 160 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: and I could just describe him as like a little 161 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:02,319 Speaker 1: palms lawyer, like somebody from the eighteen hundreds, with a 162 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: wide brimmed hat and overalls, although it was very unclear 163 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: his features. He was at the front of a grouping 164 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: of adult shadow figures, and they it's almost like they 165 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: had put him there to draw me in. And so 166 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: I went into that space and I sort of moved 167 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: past almost the line of these these adult figures, and 168 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 1: I got in there and I my intention was to 169 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: help little boy, and then I didn't know where he was. 170 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: He had gone somewhere, they had taken him away or 171 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: done something with him, and I was confused for a minute, 172 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,559 Speaker 1: and I felt like that place wasn't as loving as 173 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: the place I had just come from, and I felt uneasy, 174 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: and yeah, I wanted to help these people, these figures, 175 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: these spirits. Um. I wanted to give him what they wanted, 176 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: although I didn't know exactly what they wanted. And once 177 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: I they sent that strong emotion of wanting to help, 178 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 1: that compassion, they started to come at me, like very quickly, 179 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 1: very very very quickly come at me, and it felt 180 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 1: like my energy was being depleted, like they were taking 181 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: my energy away from me. And that, yeah, and that 182 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: happened so fast, and I could feel myself being like 183 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 1: almost disintegrating there and just losing myself there, and I 184 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,079 Speaker 1: wanted to leave, and as soon as I had that 185 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: desire once again, I was being pulled away. So I 186 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: was back to that detec like space that expands with 187 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: space and feeling that love. And then I came to 188 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: another opening which was of it, you know, the same 189 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 1: kind of static that I was, and emerged into this 190 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 1: space of just a gorgeous landscape. It was this field 191 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: of yellow flowers out in front of me to stand 192 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 1: far off in the distance, and it sort of met 193 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 1: rolling green hills and the blue sky and trees. Got 194 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: it across the green grass, and on my right hand 195 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 1: side there was an intensely evergreen forest um and then 196 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: on my left there was this rocky, beautiful, rocky, lost 197 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 1: colored rock waterfall. And I felt the sense of being 198 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: just one with all of it, you know, the the 199 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: flowers and the rocks and the waterfall and the trees. 200 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:12,839 Speaker 1: They were all a part of me and I was 201 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 1: a part of them, and it felt like home to me, 202 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: and I just was. It wasn't bliss. And then I 203 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: was flanked on both sides by I would label them 204 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: as angels, but they were. They were like benevolent spirits 205 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: that were there to serve as my guys. And at 206 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: that point it was almost I was at another threshold, 207 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: and they communicated to me, and it was was not telepathic, 208 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: it was through feeling. I felt them tell me that 209 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: I could stay there, I could move through that to 210 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: what lay beyond there, or I could come back to 211 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: my body. It just took a second for me to 212 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: make the decision to come back to my body, although 213 00:11:55,600 --> 00:12:00,079 Speaker 1: I didn't know why I was deciding that, Yes, I 214 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: knew that was the thing I needed to do and 215 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: that I wanted to do. And they so I started 216 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: to move away from them, and they literally like turned 217 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 1: towards me and they said, but if you go back, 218 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: you need to learn what you need to share what 219 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 1: you learned here. And there was no hesitation in me 220 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: at all. I said, yes, of course I would. Who wouldn't. 221 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: And so then the next thing I remember was um 222 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: waking up to someone rubbing their knuckles on my sternament 223 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: and what that's called a sternal red and and it's 224 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: done when you're trying to bring somebody around that you 225 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: believe is, you know, awake, but they're just not coming 226 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: to they're not waking up. But heard out that was 227 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: my neurologist rubbing his knuckles because they had induced a 228 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: medical coma. U to help my body to recover, Krista, 229 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: we need to take a quick break and we'll be back. 230 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the I 231 00:12:56,000 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coasting Paranormal podcast. Now Mark 232 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: Stare right there. There's more Sandra coming right out. Thanks 233 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,439 Speaker 1: for listening to the I Heart Radio and Coast to 234 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: Coast Day and Paranormal Podcast Network. Make sure and check 235 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: out all our shows on the I Heart Radio app 236 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: or by going to I Heart radio dot com. 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I'm Sanders Champlain and we are 246 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: with Krista Gorman as she explains her near death experience. Krista, 247 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: we were last with you in the hospital as your 248 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: neurologist was rubbing his knuckles on your stern um and 249 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: taking you out of the induced coma. What happened? Why 250 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: did they induce your coma? Um? I had suffered an 251 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: ammionic fluid nimbolism where the amnionic fluid had gotten into 252 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: my bloodstream, and my body saw this foreign and attacked 253 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: it and surrounded it with cells and netswarm clots that 254 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: traveled to my lungs and blocked off the circulation. There 255 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: is why I went into a cardio respiratory arrest. And 256 00:14:56,080 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: technically that's a fatal medical emergency. After that happened, and 257 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: it's what I learned was a common problem after and 258 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: in the food animals, and this d i C or 259 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: disseminated inter vascular coagulation, which is you bleed everywhere. You 260 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: just bleed um. You don't have any ability to clot 261 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: the blood that had happened too, so that you have 262 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: a fifty chance of surviving that. So I had been 263 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: in the I see you only about forty eight hours 264 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: or so when I started to show clear signs that 265 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: I was, you know, I was at least not going 266 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: to be incapacitated completely in my life. I was going 267 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: to live, But they didn't. They still didn't know how 268 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: what kind of brain function I would have. And then 269 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: just very quickly I came at that. They stopped a 270 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: medicine it to keep me in the common and I 271 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: started to come out of it, and they started to 272 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: interact with people. And the next thing I remember was 273 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: literally standing. I remember standing next to my bed in 274 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: the I See You and swinging up in the curtain 275 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: and because there was something going on and I didn't 276 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: know what it was and I needed to find out. 277 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: And there was my entire family, which is about ten 278 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: people that had come to the hospital, were all in 279 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: the circle outside the I c U and they were talking, 280 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: and I swung the curtain open, and I saw my 281 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: father's head popped up out of the circle and those 282 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: Oh what I had done was unhooked myself from all 283 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: the monitors, the blood partsure cuffs everything, and climbed over 284 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: the railing in the bed. So you really did this. 285 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: This isn't this isn't an out of body experience. You 286 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: really did it. I really did that, And I did that? 287 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: What did that? Only about maybe seventy two hours after 288 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: the cardiac arrest, So they were just floored and and 289 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: so you know, I was moved out of the I 290 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: CU at that point into another room and recovered there. 291 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: So about eight days after the emergency, I left the 292 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: hospital and my daughter in the meantime, she had to 293 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: be delivered emergently and she was She had a heart 294 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: rate of about sixty and that was it. She wasn't moving, 295 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: she was blue, wi she wasn't breathing, so they quickly 296 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 1: resuscitated her and moved her from the hospital I was 297 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: at to another local hospital that had a Neon Nato 298 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: intensive care unit because when we were at didn't have one, 299 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: and so she was there for um about eight days 300 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: before her six days I'm sorry, before they brought her 301 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: to me and I got to here for the first time, 302 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: and it was so cool because they handed her to 303 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 1: me and it was like we knew each other. I 304 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: didn't know. My parents say, oh, you know, you didn't 305 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 1: react at all. You were just like just like she 306 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:35,360 Speaker 1: was a baby doll, And I said, no, I knew her. 307 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: I felt like we already knew each other. That was 308 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: the first time we met. Yeah, so you know, since then, 309 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: it was there was a roller coaster. I remembered my experience, 310 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 1: not right away. Um. I remembered it about three weeks later, 311 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 1: and it came to me in a in a very 312 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: vivid dream and I woke up and I was completely changed. 313 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: It was just amazing, Like you know, after I came 314 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:00,160 Speaker 1: home I was blessed out. I was just like, had 315 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: no anxiety, nothing matter. I took care of my daughter instinctively, 316 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: just took care of my daughter. My mom was like, 317 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: I don't know how you knew what to do, but 318 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: you know what to do. Yeah, And and I was 319 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: just like nothing mattered, you know, everything was cool. And 320 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: that was not me. That was completely not me. I 321 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 1: was a p A student in very intense and very 322 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: type A and so everyone's like, Okay, she'll come back, 323 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 1: you know, she'll be the same old Christa, no worries. 324 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:27,400 Speaker 1: And then I had that dream and I was like, wow, 325 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: you know, I remembered that it was like more visits 326 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: than life itself. It's it's just, you know, you hear 327 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:34,919 Speaker 1: people talk about it and it's like, yeah, you know, 328 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,199 Speaker 1: that sounds really neat, but to actually experience it is 329 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 1: just out of this world. And and I didn't know 330 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: what to do with it. It was it was so 331 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: overwhelming and so intense, and I felt such a huge 332 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: responsibility to share that message of love with everybody. And 333 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: the thing is is that the message is not just love, 334 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:57,719 Speaker 1: like oh, we need to love each other, you know, 335 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: but it's every part of our being is love. And 336 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: to express that in our lives and in every possible 337 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: way is why we're here. Say more about that, because 338 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 1: I don't I don't really get that, well, we are. 339 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: The source of us is this energy of love, and 340 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: it's it's not something you can put your finger on 341 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: unless you're here in the physical world and you understand 342 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: that everything is made of love. Every solid thing is 343 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: made of love. Every tree, every flower, every person, every 344 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: animal is made of love. And in that way, we 345 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:39,479 Speaker 1: can touch it physically. But there's the spiritual part of 346 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: love that is not you can't touch it, but we 347 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: all share it. We can't see it, but it's shared 348 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: between us and everything else. And it's that whole um 349 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 1: quantum physics idea about the sharing of energy. And it's 350 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,199 Speaker 1: moving through us all the time, and and it's in 351 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: constant most and and you know the air I breathe 352 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: right now is the same air that my husband is 353 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: breathing two minutes later. You know that's in those are particles. 354 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: We're sharing all of that what makes us up, and 355 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: every visit of it is love. The only thing is 356 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: that we are not necessarily aware of that. In this 357 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: physical body we come from it. We are. It's but 358 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: when we're born into this world, that single idea or 359 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: feeling of love turns into that feeling of love. But 360 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: then this other thing, which is fear. Yeah, so we're 361 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: born into that. When we come into this physical world, 362 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: we carry the knowledge of fear, and it's sort of 363 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: triggered when we start to have life experiences here. So 364 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: we come into this world is pured just beautiful, joyful, 365 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: light and love, and then we begin to experience its opposite. 366 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: So then we learn, okay, well I love, but then 367 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 1: there's this other thing that and feel so good, you know, 368 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: depending on how the balance of that in one's life 369 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:10,120 Speaker 1: is the result of our personality. I suppose our way 370 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 1: of dealing with things in life. You know, if we 371 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: are raised in the very loving household, we tend to 372 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: be very loving people and express that. If we are 373 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: raised and abuse of household, we tend to be fearful 374 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: possibly abuse of people, because that's what we've been immersed in. 375 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 1: What people need to understand is that at any given moment, 376 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:34,199 Speaker 1: we have the choice to create our reality. You know. 377 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: It's a lot of attraction, very much the law of attraction, 378 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: And I experienced that in the afterlife firsthand, because I 379 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 1: intended to go towards those spirit beings. I wanted to 380 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: help them. That was my desire and my intention. They 381 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: were also drawing me in, and this was all orchestrated 382 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 1: by this universal love, this universal energy. So they were 383 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: drawing me and I intended to go there. Then I 384 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,239 Speaker 1: wanted to leave. I was given that. I was. I 385 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 1: left because that was not by my own hoard, but 386 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: it was through the help of the universal love, the mine, love, God, Goddess, 387 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. And I you know, 388 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,199 Speaker 1: I was given this, this experience with those beings because 389 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: I am a person who loves to help people. And 390 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: for many years in my life I lost myself in 391 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 1: that I would help them, but not help myself. I 392 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 1: would give it myself and not give to myself. Having 393 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: this experience or after before before, yeah, very much before. 394 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: And I feel like that experience was created by me 395 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 1: and for me so that I could learn to put 396 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: myself first to love and have compassion. But I needed 397 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 1: to put myself first in order to be there for 398 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 1: other people, to be able to give that love and 399 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: compassion to other people. How do you do that? Christa? 400 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 1: But that's how do you do that? How do you start? 401 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,640 Speaker 1: Because in theory it sounds great that we can't help 402 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 1: anybody else unless we take care of ourselves. And self 403 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: love is so important, and you know many of us 404 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: live with doubts and fears and negative thoughts about ourselves. 405 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 1: And and do you have any idea how we can 406 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 1: put in that that love because it's so easy for 407 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: many of us to love other people. Yes, it is 408 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 1: when we look in the mirror, not so much, you 409 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:19,120 Speaker 1: know what I mean? Oh absolutely, And it's the thing 410 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 1: is is just to become first to become aware that 411 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:23,919 Speaker 1: of who you are, what you are, which is just 412 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: loves um, the same love that you you give to 413 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: somebody else. Imagine you know that being given to you 414 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: and in vegan and to you buy you now, just 415 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: to know that even you don't have to necessarily know 416 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: how to put it into action, but just to first 417 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 1: have that understanding, that's the very first step. And then 418 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: to listen to your own body's energy. Let's say somebody 419 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: asks you to post a party for an event, and 420 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: you've got work, you've got all these other things going on, 421 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 1: yet you want to help them, but it really means 422 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 1: like really taxing you and stretching you out, rather than 423 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: been saying yes, you know, I can absolutely do that, 424 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: or I can do that no problem, and then feeling 425 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: bad about it because you know that you're going to 426 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: feel stressed out, you're not gonna able to enjoy it. 427 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: It's the choices there is to say, I'd love to 428 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: help you, but X y Z, you know this is 429 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: what I need to do for me right now, And 430 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 1: is there any other way that I can help you 431 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: where it won't require so much of my time, my 432 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 1: energy and that sort of thing. Yeah, I mean that's 433 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: a that's an easy that's sort of an easy example. 434 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: The other examples come when when you're in relationships and 435 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 1: and you know a lot of women specifically tend to 436 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 1: lose themselves in their relationships with others. And it's such 437 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,360 Speaker 1: an easy thing to do when when you're not aware 438 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: and to be aware that your needs are equally important 439 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: as anyone else's needs, it's not more so in order 440 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: to take care of yourself. Then if you're not realizing that, 441 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: then you're going to lose yourself in that relationship. And 442 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: the thing that helps me and that my experience completely supported, 443 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: is to put my myself first, in terms of okay, 444 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: how do I feel about this situation? Is it making 445 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,479 Speaker 1: me feel uncomfortable? Is it making me feel good? If 446 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: it's not making me feel good, then what is my 447 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: part in it? How am I contributing to that not 448 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: feeling good? And what can I do to change that 449 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,479 Speaker 1: at this moment? What can I do? Do I need 450 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: to change my thinking about it? Do I need to 451 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: change my approach to it? Do I need to need 452 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 1: to change the fact that I'm even involved in this 453 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 1: at all? You know? Um, But there's a lot of 454 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 1: self reflection that goes along with that. But I feel 455 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 1: like the main thing is feeling and intention in our 456 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: lives and monitoring our floats. Krista, we're going to need 457 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 1: to go into our next break and when we come back, 458 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: I would love it if you would explain more the 459 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: feelings you had when you were there, the things that 460 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 1: you've learned that you promised you'd come back with. I 461 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 1: have a funny feeling it's like a treasure chest and 462 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: you got some glimpses of things, and then maybe after 463 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,239 Speaker 1: you came back you really remembered what they are and 464 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: you're able to share them. And of course I want 465 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: to talk about your book too, so lots to ask 466 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 1: when we come back. You're listening to Shades of the 467 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast 468 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:23,640 Speaker 1: a M paranormal podcast network. 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I'm Sandra Champlain and we 489 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 1: are here with Krista Gorman, author of I Died and 490 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: Learned How to Live? Christa? What was it like in 491 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: the afterlife? Can you explain it a little more? Do you? Afterlife? 492 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 1: For me, the experience was pure feeling envision. I could see, 493 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 1: and I could feel emotions, and I could feel the 494 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: energy of the spirit beings. So the intention portion is 495 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: very important because what we need to focus on first 496 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,959 Speaker 1: is our intention. What is our intention for ourselves? Do 497 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: we want to feel good? Or do we do we 498 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,479 Speaker 1: want to feel like we're you know, being of service 499 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: to other people and only focusing on that, or do 500 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: we want to feel good? So focusing on feeling good 501 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: and then taking that next step. Okay, what is it 502 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,919 Speaker 1: that I can do in this situation that won't you know, 503 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 1: won't drown me or make me feel bad? So feelings 504 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 1: come first. Feelings come first. Be a little bit about 505 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: monitoring our thoughts, because man, I tell you what, I 506 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: try to quiet my mind sometimes and just thoughts just 507 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 1: come flooding in and most of them are not empowering. 508 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: What what can we do about our thoughts? I'll give 509 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: you a little bit of a backstory here. After I 510 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 1: came back from my experience, I wanted to share it 511 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: with everybody, and everybody wanted me to be who I 512 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: was before, and I wasn't that person anymore. Oh my gosh, wow, Yeah, 513 00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: I can see very intense. Yeah, like where did Crista go? Yeah, 514 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: And so their energy was, because it's all about energy. 515 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: Their energy was. We want Crista to be the way 516 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: she was before. I felt like I wanted to be 517 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: the new person I had learned I was, and I 518 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: didn't know how to be that though. I didn't know 519 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 1: what I needed to do to be that person because 520 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: here I was back in the physical world, not understanding 521 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 1: how to navigate myself through it anymore as a new 522 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 1: person I had I had learned I was. So you know, 523 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 1: I struggled with that a lot, and I eventually, you know, 524 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: fell back into the crystal role. As my brain injury improved, 525 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 1: I became more and more like the old me. And 526 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: with the exception of the fact that I was a 527 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: lot softer and a lot more loving and a lot 528 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 1: more caring to myself too, And so that goes along with, Okay, 529 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: what was my intention back then? Um? I wanted to 530 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: be this loving being, but I needed to fit back 531 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: into my life. Okay, well, how can I manage that 532 00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: and still be happy? In some respect? I had to. 533 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 1: I had to alter my thinking. I look at it as, Okay, 534 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: you have this tremendous experience to share with other people. 535 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 1: You're not really sure how to do it yet, so 536 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: you just need to figure it out, and you'll figure 537 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: it out along the way. And I just sort of 538 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 1: stay focused on that figuring it out while I was 539 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 1: trying to manage my life in the meantime. And the 540 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: struggle sometimes was really overwhelming in doing that because I 541 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 1: just wanted to Sometimes I just wanted to run away 542 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: and and go to like a commune or something, you know. 543 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: I just wanted to like like just meditate and just 544 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: learn how to really be that love in this physical world. 545 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 1: And and that wasn't gonna happen. So I struggled with that, 546 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: and I tried to keep myself happy and kind of 547 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 1: grounded by watching my thoughts. You know that my near 548 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: death experience would the memory would come to me and 549 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: I would push it away, but at the same time 550 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: I would say, okay, not now, not yet. My relationships 551 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: they were navigating them was difficult and I didn't do 552 00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: a good job of it for a long time. But 553 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 1: then I can to the realization that okay, I fell 554 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: out of control with stuff. I was like, you know, 555 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm not in control of my life 556 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: at all. I want to be this person, but I 557 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 1: am not. And I have to go to work and 558 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 1: I have to be a mother, and I have to 559 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 1: be a wife, and I have to clean the house 560 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: and do all these other things that distract me, and 561 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 1: I'm really unhappy about it. So I hadn't changed my thinking. Okay, 562 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: you want to fulfill your spirit, which we all do, 563 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 1: but right now you can't have the end result right now. 564 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: You need to figure out a way to live your 565 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 1: life that will give you happiness and joy while you 566 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:39,479 Speaker 1: move towards debt and results. So I altered my thinking. 567 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: I saw, you know, washing the dishes. As I'm serving 568 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: my family, I'm serving myself also because I know that 569 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 1: this needs to be done and it's going to get 570 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 1: me to you know, the next step towards where I 571 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 1: want to be, because ultimately I wanted to be sharing 572 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: my experience with other people and just doing that, making 573 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 1: a living, just doing that, just helping people. In the meantime, 574 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: my relationships are very difficult, and I realized that a 575 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: lot of things. I realized, mainly that I needed to 576 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 1: change my thinking and monitorning your thoughts. Let's say, you know, 577 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 1: there was an instance where my husband got very very ill. 578 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 1: He was tour a musician for about twenty years, and 579 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: he had neglected his health and he'd gotten very sick. 580 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: I was resentful about that for a while because I 581 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 1: had been holding down the fort, taking care of our daughter, 582 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: in taking sure of the house and whatnot, and neglecting 583 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 1: my own dreams, my own needs. And I was now 584 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: having to take care of my sick husband who had 585 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 1: been pursuing his dream forever. You know, I was just 586 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: as much as part of those choices around that, But 587 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 1: at that point I was resentful. Yeah, and here I 588 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,479 Speaker 1: was now having to care for him. So that was 589 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 1: I was mad for a while. And then I realized 590 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: how instructive that anger and that resentment is, and and 591 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 1: I have been pushing my near death experience. It's a 592 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 1: way because I felt like, I can't deal with you 593 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 1: right now. I can't be what I said I would be, 594 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:07,959 Speaker 1: and I can't do what I said I would do 595 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: because I've got all this other stuff to deal with. 596 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 1: And that made me miserable. And I finally got to 597 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 1: a point where our daughter was suffering too. She was, 598 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,479 Speaker 1: you know, feeling a stress of of what her parents 599 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: were going through. And I saw what was happening to her. 600 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 1: She was just having a really hard time and and 601 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: I sat down when when I and I just said, 602 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 1: you know what, Christa, you need to stop fighting, stop 603 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: battling yourself, and get real and really just get real. 604 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 1: So I sat and I thought, Okay, what is it 605 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,719 Speaker 1: that would make me happy? What is it that I 606 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 1: need to do to be the person that I really 607 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 1: want to be? And it just started to make little notes, 608 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 1: and eventually I developed it into the twelve Principles for 609 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 1: Daily Living, which are in the book I Died and 610 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: Learned how to Live. And these are the things that 611 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,479 Speaker 1: helped me to navigate my life from really pretty much 612 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 1: from that point on. And it embodied what I think 613 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: realized was that embodied my whole experience in the afterlife, 614 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 1: and the overarching issue. The overarching part of that is 615 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 1: monitoring our thoughts. So if I'm dealing with something in 616 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 1: a situation where i feel like I wanted to be 617 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,360 Speaker 1: a certain way and it's not that way, then the 618 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 1: first thing is acceptance, Okay, this is the way it 619 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 1: is in this moment, And then intention, What is it 620 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,919 Speaker 1: you want? What is it your desire is, and then 621 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 1: focus on that intention. You're fighting with your spouse, you 622 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,839 Speaker 1: want to get along, Focus on getting along. Focus on 623 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 1: the fact that that is the end, the result that 624 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 1: you want. So what do you need to do to 625 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 1: get there? You need to love, be loving, and all 626 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 1: your words, thoughts, actions, regardless of how the other person 627 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 1: responds to you, strows what they do. You be loving, 628 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: You be solid and grounded in yourself, and be loving. 629 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 1: The other thing that we struggle with is the negative 630 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 1: thoughts about ourselves, Like you had said, the difficulty of 631 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,400 Speaker 1: loving ourselves and just understanding that that we are loving 632 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 1: beings and having that fundamentally grounded in that that we 633 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 1: are loving beings. No one can dispute that that is 634 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: a fact. I can't emphasize it enough, and nobody is 635 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,840 Speaker 1: an exception. There is no exception to that, and the 636 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:28,400 Speaker 1: ego is the thing that contradicts it. And that's the 637 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:32,759 Speaker 1: part of ourselves that is rooted in fear. So when 638 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 1: when we are not feeling good, then egos involved. We're 639 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 1: not feeling good. We need to change that. What is 640 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,840 Speaker 1: it we can do? We can change our thinking about 641 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,760 Speaker 1: whatever it is that's going on. If we're saying to ourselves, 642 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,319 Speaker 1: you know, you're really stupid. You shouldn't have done that, 643 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 1: you should have done it this way where you should 644 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,879 Speaker 1: have not made that decision, you should have made another one, 645 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 1: that is all destructive thinking. You can't go back and 646 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,759 Speaker 1: change anything. You just have to get where you're at 647 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,839 Speaker 1: right now and make the you know, take the next 648 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,359 Speaker 1: best step for yourself, right and catch yourself in the 649 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,920 Speaker 1: act of negative thinking, you know, because they're little pilots, 650 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,799 Speaker 1: Yeah they are. And and that's the awareness part. It's 651 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,399 Speaker 1: becoming aware of Okay, this thoughts, they're seeing it as 652 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 1: something that's not you because you are loving, you are 653 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,839 Speaker 1: just pure love, and this thought that's there, it's not you. 654 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 1: It's not coming from you, and to sort of acknowledge it, 655 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,360 Speaker 1: and then they detached kind of way and say, Okay, 656 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 1: you're there and I let you go and replace it 657 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:39,879 Speaker 1: with the opposite of that thought. What do you mean, Well, 658 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,880 Speaker 1: if you're saying to yourself, you know your hair color 659 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 1: is really oh it's terrible. No, your hair color is beautiful. 660 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,720 Speaker 1: If you want it to change, you can change it, gotcha. 661 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,799 Speaker 1: But for right now, you just express the love and 662 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:59,120 Speaker 1: the beauty and acceptance right exactly. That's awesome, very profound, 663 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,839 Speaker 1: that feeling of bliss that you had when you had 664 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:07,359 Speaker 1: that experience. Do you think that's something we can experience 665 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,719 Speaker 1: here on earth. I've I've heard so many people's experiences, 666 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,160 Speaker 1: and you know, as much as I try to visualize 667 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:14,839 Speaker 1: in what it would be like, it just seems like 668 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 1: it's not possible because we're living here on earth with 669 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 1: all these struggles. But are there moments that you've you've 670 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 1: been able to feel that bliss? Oh? Absolutely. And the 671 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 1: thing is is that I had to go through all that, 672 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,719 Speaker 1: all those struggles and difficulties here in my body in 673 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 1: order to re experience it. Because when I was able 674 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:37,400 Speaker 1: to let go of outcomes, um, when I was able 675 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:41,440 Speaker 1: to remember who I was and actually re experience the 676 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 1: love I was in the afterlife, things really began to 677 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,240 Speaker 1: change for me, and I just lived my life differently. 678 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 1: I made choices that were more healthy for myself. And 679 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 1: this is all over the course of years that I 680 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,480 Speaker 1: did this. But if anyone can do it, and absolutely anyone, 681 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,839 Speaker 1: and so during the course of that I'll just run 682 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 1: through these twelve principles. I love that these are things 683 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 1: that on a daily basis, I practice them. And I 684 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 1: am not perfect. None of us are perfect. I have 685 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 1: bad days, I have bad hours, I have bad moments. 686 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:17,320 Speaker 1: But the underlying thing is that what I bring myself 687 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 1: back to is that I am love and I'm infinite, 688 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,360 Speaker 1: and I'm a part of everyone and everything. I'm never alone. 689 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,759 Speaker 1: And so these are the twelve principles. The first one 690 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:28,799 Speaker 1: is living awareness, and I was talking about that was 691 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,319 Speaker 1: knowing that we knowing and understanding and then experiencing the 692 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,360 Speaker 1: loving beings that we are, and that we have the 693 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,759 Speaker 1: ability to change our thoughts at any moment, that we 694 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,680 Speaker 1: have that control to intend our life in the direction 695 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:45,360 Speaker 1: that we wanted to go with willingly meaning that okay, 696 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,600 Speaker 1: the outcome may not be what you wanted at this time, 697 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 1: but knowing that we live in a benevolent universe that 698 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,040 Speaker 1: always has our best interests in mine at all times, 699 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 1: and that this particular outcome may seem like it's not 700 00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 1: something you want, but you know what it's going to 701 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 1: lead you to the next eight things. So willing to 702 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,799 Speaker 1: accept that in the moment while still intending what it 703 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,920 Speaker 1: is that you want will help people to keep moving forward. 704 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,920 Speaker 1: Live lovingly, just that, loving you, but loving me first, 705 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:18,400 Speaker 1: Live fearlessly. Fear will paralyze us. Fear is the opposite 706 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:22,040 Speaker 1: of love. So whenever I find myself in fear, boy, 707 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,279 Speaker 1: I know, okay, Christa, that's it. Turn it around. What 708 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,479 Speaker 1: are you afraid of? Is it something that is going 709 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:34,920 Speaker 1: to kill you? Doubtful? If it does, I've already been there. 710 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:39,360 Speaker 1: It's okay, yeah, all right, exactly, okay, time for last break. 711 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,279 Speaker 1: You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the I 712 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,600 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast a M Paranormal podcast Network. 713 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,239 Speaker 1: Keep it here on the I Heart Radio and Coast 714 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:58,160 Speaker 1: to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Sander Champlain will be 715 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:06,400 Speaker 1: right back. Thanks for listening. Keep it here on the 716 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:10,040 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio on Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 717 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,480 Speaker 1: You're listening to the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, 718 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:26,080 Speaker 1: a m paranormal podcast network heard on the I Heart 719 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:31,280 Speaker 1: Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you find your favorite shows. 720 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,719 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain 721 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:54,200 Speaker 1: and we are with Kristin Gorman, a physician assistant who 722 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:58,160 Speaker 1: visited the afterlife in the year two thousand and she's 723 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:03,160 Speaker 1: sharing with us now the twelve principles for daily living. So, Chris, 724 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,399 Speaker 1: that you just said living fearlessly was the last one. 725 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,319 Speaker 1: What comes next? Death is just as much a part 726 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,440 Speaker 1: of life as life as a part of death. With 727 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:15,640 Speaker 1: compassionately enough key. When you live compassionately, you're identifying with 728 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,960 Speaker 1: the other person. Um, You're identifying that, yes, you and 729 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,359 Speaker 1: I are one, and when we're one, then there's no 730 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:26,480 Speaker 1: separation and you can then act to UM. You can 731 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,440 Speaker 1: then act to do whatever it is that you want 732 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,680 Speaker 1: to do to help to relieve their suffering with patiently, 733 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,640 Speaker 1: which is allowing that moment to be its moment and 734 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,600 Speaker 1: then letting it pass. UM. Stuck in a traffic camp, 735 00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,520 Speaker 1: It's that way because it's supposed to be that way, right. 736 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:46,319 Speaker 1: Then enjoy turn up to music. You know maybe you're 737 00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:50,040 Speaker 1: there because there was an accident ahead of you, and 738 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,400 Speaker 1: if you have been going thirty miles an hour faster 739 00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,319 Speaker 1: ten miles a narrow fact or maybe you will be 740 00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:58,399 Speaker 1: in that accident. So to live patiently looks presently. When 741 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,239 Speaker 1: we're in the present moment, we are Oh, this is 742 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,359 Speaker 1: a huge one. When we're present, we have all the 743 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,439 Speaker 1: energy of the universe at our disposal at any given time, 744 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,600 Speaker 1: and we can inflect that energy in any direction that 745 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,839 Speaker 1: we wanted to go through our intentions. And when we 746 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,000 Speaker 1: are living in the present, the power of that present 747 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,520 Speaker 1: moment is immense. We can create anything we want to 748 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:24,040 Speaker 1: create out of that present moment. You know. The thing is, 749 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,400 Speaker 1: it's so powerful that one minute I was breathing fine, 750 00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:32,440 Speaker 1: the next minute I wasn't. Things change, Things happen, and 751 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,200 Speaker 1: and anything could happen in any given moment. And if 752 00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,800 Speaker 1: we are focused on that and focusing our energy and 753 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,320 Speaker 1: our intentions and using it, then we become very powerful 754 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:46,000 Speaker 1: creators of our lives. So spiritually and spiritually means I mean, 755 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,839 Speaker 1: it can mean anything for anybody, but my own experience 756 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,319 Speaker 1: with spirituality is that we are to recognize that we're 757 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,799 Speaker 1: all spiritual beings, that the physical bodies are simply the 758 00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,920 Speaker 1: masks that we wear to be able to recognize one 759 00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,520 Speaker 1: another um as spirits in the physical body. You know, 760 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,799 Speaker 1: if you I'm sure you've experienced it yourself where you 761 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,439 Speaker 1: could feel a connection to somebody. Yeah it's you know, yeah, 762 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,880 Speaker 1: you know it's not tangible, but you just have this connection. 763 00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,759 Speaker 1: And that's recognizing the being, the spiritual being and the 764 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,880 Speaker 1: other and you know you've had some connection maybe in 765 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,239 Speaker 1: the past. But spirituality is just knowing that that we're 766 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:25,040 Speaker 1: not limited by these physical bodies. With faithfully is is 767 00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:26,960 Speaker 1: to you know, I like to put it in more 768 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:31,279 Speaker 1: where you don't need faith when you've had experience. So 769 00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,640 Speaker 1: to have faith and the fact that you know we 770 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,560 Speaker 1: will get to where it is we want to go. 771 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,480 Speaker 1: Until we have the experience of that, we need to 772 00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,600 Speaker 1: have faith in that. That's the thing that helps to 773 00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:45,080 Speaker 1: keep us going because we're all here to evolve spiritually 774 00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:49,960 Speaker 1: and to understand that to have faith in that natural 775 00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:55,040 Speaker 1: evolution to our highest good is so it just calms 776 00:43:55,040 --> 00:44:00,880 Speaker 1: the soul. With purposefully and purposefully is is that you know, 777 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:02,759 Speaker 1: we all have a purpose and and for me and 778 00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:07,880 Speaker 1: my experience, it's to move further closer to the experience 779 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,960 Speaker 1: of being love in the body, just complete love and 780 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,840 Speaker 1: everything that we do, and but every but a along 781 00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:17,839 Speaker 1: the way, we have little purposes and to be able 782 00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:19,480 Speaker 1: to get up in the morning and say, okay, what's 783 00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,799 Speaker 1: my purpose today? Well, first, my purpose is to love 784 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,000 Speaker 1: of myself and love others. And then what's next thing 785 00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:26,480 Speaker 1: I need to do? Well, I need to do the 786 00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,719 Speaker 1: laundry so that I can wear my work clothes, so 787 00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,080 Speaker 1: I can drive my car, you know, to do all 788 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,879 Speaker 1: those things. We still have all those mundane human kind 789 00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,600 Speaker 1: of things that we need to do. But then at 790 00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,399 Speaker 1: the end of the day, we we know we can 791 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,040 Speaker 1: take our money and we can enjoy a trip with 792 00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,719 Speaker 1: our family and bond and or we can donate it 793 00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,279 Speaker 1: to a charity, or we can do whatever we we 794 00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,640 Speaker 1: intend to do with it. Every moment is a is 795 00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,719 Speaker 1: full of purpose. Live creatively, and this is a big 796 00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,560 Speaker 1: one because we're creators and co creators of our lives 797 00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:00,799 Speaker 1: and and you know, in the self help area, um, 798 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,880 Speaker 1: there's a lot of talk about that and what I experienced. 799 00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,200 Speaker 1: I experienced in my near death experience where I was 800 00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,520 Speaker 1: the creator of my experience and I was co creating 801 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:12,800 Speaker 1: that with the loving universe. And so we made it together. 802 00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:14,719 Speaker 1: And that's what we do in our lives. We're not 803 00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,520 Speaker 1: alone in the creation of our lives. We're not alone 804 00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,200 Speaker 1: in going through anything in our life. We have the 805 00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,440 Speaker 1: ability to take our energy and inflect it in the 806 00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,800 Speaker 1: direction of whatever our intention is and create our lives 807 00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,120 Speaker 1: through that. At the same time, yeah, at the same time, 808 00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,440 Speaker 1: we have the support of the of the divine universe 809 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,719 Speaker 1: in doing that. So we're never alone. And you know, 810 00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,399 Speaker 1: when we think bad stuff happens, it's never bad. It's 811 00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,200 Speaker 1: all good. It doesn't matter what it is. It's all 812 00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,880 Speaker 1: for a higher purpose, and that is to bring us 813 00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:50,239 Speaker 1: closer to the loving beings that we are, to bring 814 00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:54,520 Speaker 1: us closer to experiencing ourselves as the loving beings that 815 00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,760 Speaker 1: we are. And the last one is looked miraculously, embloyed. 816 00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,279 Speaker 1: That's a fun one because everything a miracle. You know, 817 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,480 Speaker 1: watching a butterfly fly through the air with its wings 818 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,239 Speaker 1: flapping and knowing exactly where it needs to go and 819 00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,640 Speaker 1: what it needs to do, and seeing another butterfly flying 820 00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,080 Speaker 1: after it and then dancing in the air, you know, 821 00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,400 Speaker 1: that's a miracle. And to be able to identify with 822 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:20,480 Speaker 1: that and feel that and absorb that is just life vivifying. 823 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:26,439 Speaker 1: It just creates such a joy and connection and ultimately love, 824 00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:31,120 Speaker 1: you know, and that's why we're Here's there's miracles everywhere. Definitely. 825 00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:32,800 Speaker 1: The doctor says I was a miracle, my daughter was 826 00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,480 Speaker 1: a miracle. And my response to that was everything's a miracle. 827 00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,719 Speaker 1: I didn't approach it from oh yeah, I'm I'm got 828 00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,200 Speaker 1: such a miracle, you know. In my response to that 829 00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,640 Speaker 1: when I heard it when I came back was yeah, 830 00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:48,560 Speaker 1: everything is I knows exception. I think Einstein's was the 831 00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,439 Speaker 1: one who said we can look at life as if 832 00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:55,160 Speaker 1: nothing is a miracle or everything is a miracle exactly. Yeah. 833 00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,359 Speaker 1: And if it's got enough for Einstein, it's good enough 834 00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:06,480 Speaker 1: for us. Yea. Yeah, Christa, You're just a glowing, wonderful, loving, 835 00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:11,000 Speaker 1: brilliant soul. It is so awesome to hear your story. 836 00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:15,759 Speaker 1: I know that you experience this bliss, but then as 837 00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,240 Speaker 1: humans have it being able to tell us the struggle 838 00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:23,560 Speaker 1: to try to integrate this back into your life. I 839 00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:27,960 Speaker 1: love hearing the stories of the afterlife, and as inspiring 840 00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,880 Speaker 1: as they are, but the real inspiration comes when you 841 00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:36,399 Speaker 1: can share your struggles and and you know, I bet 842 00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,160 Speaker 1: you you don't have your whole life handle and you 843 00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:43,400 Speaker 1: don't have perfection everywhere. You know, you should see you 844 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:47,040 Speaker 1: should see the wreck my houses right now. But I 845 00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,160 Speaker 1: think the gift from all of this is like we 846 00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:53,560 Speaker 1: get a set of tools, and um, it's applying them 847 00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,680 Speaker 1: into our lives because you know, I do think we 848 00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:00,640 Speaker 1: need the fear to experience the love. You know, I 849 00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,359 Speaker 1: think that there's a point to all of us being 850 00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,680 Speaker 1: here and like you said, for the expansion of our 851 00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:10,279 Speaker 1: our souls and bringing us closer to who we really are. 852 00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,600 Speaker 1: You know, it may not seem like a game, because games, 853 00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,160 Speaker 1: I think are meant to be fun. But the game 854 00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,520 Speaker 1: of life is that I mean, there there are things 855 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:22,400 Speaker 1: that we can only experience here in this human form, 856 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,160 Speaker 1: are times coming to an end. But something that really 857 00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:31,520 Speaker 1: struck me from this whole interview is that our best 858 00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:36,799 Speaker 1: interests is always in mind. And there are times and 859 00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,319 Speaker 1: I'm sure all of us have some things in our 860 00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:44,400 Speaker 1: life right now that are occurring as pain and misery 861 00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:48,480 Speaker 1: and struggle, and you know it might be hard to 862 00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,480 Speaker 1: look for like how in the world is that for 863 00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:55,200 Speaker 1: my own good? But you know, just just a bit 864 00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,680 Speaker 1: of sharing, like you know, my dad died of cancer, 865 00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,960 Speaker 1: and those last couple of weeks were just hell. I 866 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:05,560 Speaker 1: mean really truly were. And there was a side of 867 00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,640 Speaker 1: me that I've never seen before. I have never seen 868 00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:13,759 Speaker 1: the generosity, love and compassion that flew out of me, 869 00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:18,279 Speaker 1: or the intense love and of course the obvious is. 870 00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:22,120 Speaker 1: Out of that painful experience came my book and being 871 00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,279 Speaker 1: able to help other people. But for each one of 872 00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,320 Speaker 1: us to look in our life and um, and maybe 873 00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,680 Speaker 1: that's the challenge I want to leave everybody with for today, 874 00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:35,000 Speaker 1: whatever happens, you know, look through the lens that my 875 00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,399 Speaker 1: best interest is in mind right now. I think that's 876 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,799 Speaker 1: a good thing to take on Christa oh yes, yes, 877 00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,520 Speaker 1: wonderful message. Yeah, And even if we don't understand it, 878 00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:49,400 Speaker 1: because in the moment we don't looking back on our lives. 879 00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,040 Speaker 1: To be the person we are today, you know, we 880 00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,719 Speaker 1: had to experience the good and the bad, and and 881 00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,080 Speaker 1: I think it would give each one of us today 882 00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:01,640 Speaker 1: a sense of maybe not stuing on something that's going wrong, 883 00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,440 Speaker 1: or if you're angry at somebody, don't be stuck in 884 00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,680 Speaker 1: the anger, just say you know what this is? This 885 00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:10,920 Speaker 1: is for me? You know, Wow, somehow I've got some 886 00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,600 Speaker 1: growth out of this. There's some loving to be done. 887 00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,319 Speaker 1: And and um, Chris, I really want to thank you. 888 00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,799 Speaker 1: Is there any closing thoughts that you have, anything that 889 00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:23,480 Speaker 1: you've left unsaid, any last parting thoughts before we close 890 00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:27,840 Speaker 1: the interview, do something nice for yourself and all the 891 00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,839 Speaker 1: giving that you're doing for everyone else, take a few 892 00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,960 Speaker 1: minutes and just do something really nice for yourself. I 893 00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,759 Speaker 1: love that. That's really really great, and that's that's self love. 894 00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:42,719 Speaker 1: And Krista Gorman her website is Krista Gorman dot com 895 00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,239 Speaker 1: and her blog is there and also how to find 896 00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,560 Speaker 1: her book. Um you can spell we spell her name 897 00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:51,600 Speaker 1: k r I s t A g O r m 898 00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:55,160 Speaker 1: a n dot com. Yeah. I'm just thrilled. I'm thrilled 899 00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,759 Speaker 1: that we had you today and um we got to 900 00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:01,000 Speaker 1: hear from you. Thank you, thank you. Standard. This is 901 00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:04,200 Speaker 1: just being wonderful. Yeah, and for our listeners, thank you 902 00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:08,399 Speaker 1: so much for being here today. You know, everything we 903 00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:13,520 Speaker 1: discover about the afterlife is wonderful, right. It makes us 904 00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,200 Speaker 1: believe that our loved ones have gone on and there's 905 00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:19,120 Speaker 1: a bigger picture to life. But once you get that, 906 00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,040 Speaker 1: everything points back to you or me. How are we 907 00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:27,680 Speaker 1: going to live our lives from this point forward. Really, 908 00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:32,120 Speaker 1: you know, there's three fears that all human beings share. 909 00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,320 Speaker 1: One's the fear of dying, one's the fear of failure, 910 00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:39,319 Speaker 1: and the other is the fear of being alone. So 911 00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:43,000 Speaker 1: we've got it all handled because we don't die, we 912 00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,160 Speaker 1: live on. We are never alone. Like I said at 913 00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,759 Speaker 1: the beginning, if you could just see the sharing committee 914 00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,279 Speaker 1: that is around you right now, you would never ever 915 00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,440 Speaker 1: feel alone. And you don't have to worry about failure 916 00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:01,520 Speaker 1: because every step is just a journey for your soul. Really, 917 00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:05,279 Speaker 1: so there's no failure. And whatever we don't accomplish here 918 00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,880 Speaker 1: on earth, we can accomplish over on the other side. 919 00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:11,280 Speaker 1: So give yourself a big hug, be your best friend. 920 00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:15,759 Speaker 1: I know life can be rough, but I know everything 921 00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:19,279 Speaker 1: that we do somehow makes a difference, even if it's 922 00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,239 Speaker 1: way in the future. Something that you're going through now, 923 00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,120 Speaker 1: we'll make a difference for another person. It's all a 924 00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:29,799 Speaker 1: big deal. Reminder our home basis, we don't die dot com. 925 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,279 Speaker 1: We've got tons of good things going on, especially our 926 00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:37,480 Speaker 1: free Sunday gathering with a medium demonstration within each and everyone. 927 00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:42,680 Speaker 1: So I'm Sandra Champlain in a big mega huge. Thank 928 00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:46,960 Speaker 1: you for listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the 929 00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:51,880 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 930 00:52:52,440 --> 00:53:09,960 Speaker 1: See around next time. 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