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Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Business Week from Bloomberg Radio. I'm Jason

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Speaker 1: Kelly and I'm Carol Masser. Welcome to the Bloomberg Business

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Speaker 1: Week Extra. It's a weekly podcast bringing you an in

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Speaker 1: depth interview you will not hear anywhere else. And this

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Speaker 1: one man took us to places I think that we

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Speaker 1: weren't expecting. Jason, absolutely, I have to say, and I

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Speaker 1: would say this if we were talking to him right now.

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Speaker 1: Get on the phone with the chair and senior partner

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Speaker 1: at a big consulting firm. You think, all right, he's

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Speaker 1: gonna talk to us about consulting, right Yeah, Tim Ryant,

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Speaker 1: he's a different sort of leader. And I've heard that

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Speaker 1: from a number of people who work with him, and

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Speaker 1: we spoke with him at a time where he was

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Speaker 1: coming out of a weekend of having a lot of

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Speaker 1: very serious and very intense conversations with his employees. He

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Speaker 1: is thoughtful, and he's thinking a lot about what his

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Speaker 1: company looks like going forward. And keep in mind, he

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Speaker 1: and his team are consulting with the leaders across the world,

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Speaker 1: so what they think and how they act has a

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Speaker 1: lot of influence. The most important right now is to communicate,

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Speaker 1: to be open minded and committed to change that. The

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Speaker 1: reality is we have huge segments of our population, including

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Speaker 1: my workforce, that are hurting um in many cases they've

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Speaker 1: been hurting for a long long time. And it's important

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Speaker 1: that we are vulnerable, we are open, going to communicate, speak,

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Speaker 1: and being committed to change. I have. I have in

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Speaker 1: the last weekend responded personally over three thousand emails. I've

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Speaker 1: spoken to dozens and dozens of people individually to hear

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Speaker 1: it is heartbreaking and to acknowledge and being committed to

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Speaker 1: driving it is a good start. So how does the

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Speaker 1: how does this affect policy going forward? And how does

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Speaker 1: it bring about change? Yeah, Carol, thank you. Important question.

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Speaker 1: I look at it from two perspectives and let me

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Speaker 1: let me start up by saying GTBC nor me do

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Speaker 1: we have all the answers, But we look at it

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Speaker 1: from two perspectives. For the last four years, we've been

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Speaker 1: taking very aggressive steps to improve our inclusion withinside the

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Speaker 1: full walls of p WC, and and it starts at home.

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Speaker 1: We all can be better and we need to be better.

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Speaker 1: And myself and over a thousand executives who are part

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Speaker 1: of CEO actions for diversity inclusion. We have committed to

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Speaker 1: make our organizations better, safer, more aware, and more understanding.

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Speaker 1: But as you point out or asking your question, policy

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Speaker 1: making also plays an important part. The reality is that

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Speaker 1: we need more thoughtful policy at the city, state, and

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Speaker 1: get at some of the more important parts or equally

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Speaker 1: important parts around inclusion if we're to get to a

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Speaker 1: better performance at a sustaining level. So, for example, we

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Speaker 1: think about the economic inequalities that exists in our country,

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Speaker 1: policy the policy making plays an important role there as well.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting tempted to hear your response to

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Speaker 1: we're in a different moment where I dare say, and

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Speaker 1: this is no judgment on any of your predecessors or

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Speaker 1: would be almost acceptable in some ways for a leader

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Speaker 1: of your stature to personally respond to all of those things.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like you bear more of a responsibility

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Speaker 1: it's a fair question. I am. I certainly sincerely believe

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Speaker 1: Part of it is thank you for the commitment and leadership.

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Speaker 1: But hundreds were here are suggestions and and and we're

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Speaker 1: You know, you're in the room where it all happens.

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Speaker 1: for us, our voices aren't heard unless we take these

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Speaker 1: tremendous opportunity to reimagine how work is done where some

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Speaker 1: And so tim from from your businesses perspective, like even

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