Speaker 1: Yes, there are some, and the press makes more of
Speaker 1: a fuss about the two they and the two hundred
Speaker 1: who were over half of the Congress, after half of
Speaker 1: the of the Democrats and the House sit on one
Speaker 1: of these six committees, so they're all on a path
Speaker 1: of finding more information. That's Nancy Policy, Speaker of the House,
Speaker 1: making the point yesterday, and I you know, I think
Speaker 1: she wanted to be on a microphone and say this,
Speaker 1: look that I got like thirty eight people that are
Speaker 1: for impeachment and two hundred that are not. Now we
Speaker 1: are investigating and doing all that, but it's not even
Speaker 1: close to the majority. I just heard CNN say there's
Speaker 1: gonna be no impeachment unless Nancy wants it. How does
Speaker 1: that work? I know the committee votes out recommendation for
Speaker 1: impeachment or but does the Speaker of the House have
Speaker 1: to put up that? Could she just say no, Well,
Speaker 1: you know what, even if all of them wanted to
Speaker 1: do it, could could the Speaker of the House say no,
Speaker 1: we're not We're not taking this up. I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: I know the answer to that question. But I am
Speaker 1: certain that ln he Chen knows. He's the host of
Speaker 1: the podcast Crossing Lindes with lan he Channe, also David
Speaker 1: and Diane Stephy, Research Fellow at the Hoover Institution and
Speaker 1: Director of Domestic Policy Studies and Lecturer in Public Policy
Speaker 1: at Stanford University. Lan he how are you, sir? Good morning?
Speaker 1: Never dull moment? Oh my god. Truer words have never
Speaker 1: been spoken. So to Jack's question, could Nancy hold up
Speaker 1: impeachment single handedly? Yeah, I don't think she can do
Speaker 1: it single handedly. What she is trying to do, obviously,
Speaker 1: is she's trying to sway the view of people in
Speaker 1: the Democratic concuss And the question is how many people
Speaker 1: are loyal to her versus how many people are not.
Speaker 1: And if at some point it becomes clear that there's
Speaker 1: an overwhelming majority of her own people who say, look,
Speaker 1: we've got to proceed to impeachment proceedings, that there's not
Speaker 1: a whole time she could do. I mean, she could
Speaker 1: weigh on people who support her, She could weigh on
Speaker 1: people who are loyal to her, but as that number shrinks,
Speaker 1: if people feel it's important for them to move forward,
Speaker 1: she's not going to be able to hold this up
Speaker 1: on her own. No, okay, just because they vote her
Speaker 1: out or what would happen. Yeah, I mean, certainly they
Speaker 1: that's one possibility that she refused to bring it to
Speaker 1: the floor, they probably boot her. But we're nowhere near
Speaker 1: in a majority. Were at a points, so it's not
Speaker 1: even close. Yeah, I think I think we have to
Speaker 1: be careful about about following some of the media narrative
Speaker 1: on this, because I think that while it's true there's
Speaker 1: a lot of very vocal people in the Democratic Party,
Speaker 1: including pretty much everybody who's running for president, saying that
Speaker 1: Trump needs to be impeached, the reality is that a
Speaker 1: lot of the rank and file Democrats in the House,
Speaker 1: that's not where they are. So we have to keep
Speaker 1: a close eye on where these numbers go. Now, if
Speaker 1: it starts to creep up toward let's say a hundred
Speaker 1: people or more than that, uh, then she's got an issue.
Speaker 1: But for now, we're still talking about a relatively smaller
Speaker 1: but very vocal minority. And I know exactly what you're
Speaker 1: talking about because as I watched cable news yesterday, particularly
Speaker 1: CNN and MSNBC to hear what they're saying, all the hosts,
Speaker 1: all the guests thought it was imperative that they moved
Speaker 1: forward with impeachment. I mean, without exception really on those
Speaker 1: two channels. Well, right, it's it's a media narrative and
Speaker 1: that's being driven by who has the biggest microphone, and
Speaker 1: right now in the Democratic Party, it's not Nancy Pelosi.
Speaker 1: It's the people running for president. And when you have
Speaker 1: the vast majority of people, I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: a vast shouldn't say vast majority, but I think it
Speaker 1: is close to a majority, if not more than that,
Speaker 1: who are interested in in proceeding to impeach Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: That is why you hear this constantly, because those guys
Speaker 1: are always on TV talking about whatever and and and
Speaker 1: so those are the ones who are driving this dialog. Well,
Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting though, the the guy that's
Speaker 1: got more more heff than all of them added together currently,
Speaker 1: Joe Biden. He didn't say a word yesterday. Well yeah,
Speaker 1: he probably will at some point, but listen, I just
Speaker 1: wanted to interject that a lot of the people howling
Speaker 1: for impeachment are are like you know, if I know
Speaker 1: my wife is going to say no, there's no way
Speaker 1: we get ice cream, I can say all day long,
Speaker 1: I'm with you, as we ought to get ice cream.
Speaker 1: Ice cream is delicious, it's a nourishing treat. It's never
Speaker 1: gonna happen. But I get all the credits, So it's
Speaker 1: it's it's so phony. Uh, you know that that that's
Speaker 1: a great point. I can say that's a great point.
Speaker 1: I mean, this whole impeachment discussion is phony, because what
Speaker 1: we've got to realize is that it's a political discussion.
Speaker 1: As much as these people who favor impeachment want to
Speaker 1: talk about it, as you know they you'll hear them
Speaker 1: talking about obstruction of justice and being a legal issue,
Speaker 1: it's not a legal issue. It's a political question. It
Speaker 1: was a political question when they impeach Clinton in the
Speaker 1: same thing, and and and and so I just wish
Speaker 1: we would have a more genuine discussion about what's really
Speaker 1: going on here. Okay, well, what do you put the
Speaker 1: percentages of an impeachment to proceeding happening at right now? Likelihood?
Speaker 1: The likelihood? Yeah, I probably put it at one and
Speaker 1: four one and between one and four, one and three,
Speaker 1: So still not extremely likely, but not well enough percentage
Speaker 1: that people can't ignore it. Yeah, I just I don't
Speaker 1: see what's going to change it. The entirety of the
Speaker 1: Mula report was out and did not move the polls,
Speaker 1: and I odah, And then you've got old man Mueller speaking.
Speaker 1: I'm certain that won't change it. And in a very
Speaker 1: recent Quinnipiac poll, fifty of people say yeah, Trump committed
Speaker 1: crimes before he became president. About six percent say he's
Speaker 1: committed crimes. Wally was president, he had a paltry twenty
Speaker 1: nine percent support even the beginning of the process to
Speaker 1: impeach the president. It's not gonna happen. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think the only the only factor I would add
Speaker 1: to that, and I think all that data makes a
Speaker 1: lot of sense, is that if you look at the
Speaker 1: data amongst Democratic partisans, if you look at the data
Speaker 1: amongst Democratic partisans are self identified Democratic primary voters, I
Speaker 1: bet those numbers are a lot higher. And so certainly
Speaker 1: for the presidential candidates, that's what they care about. And
Speaker 1: then even for some of these Democrats who, let's say
Speaker 1: they're more moderate but they're concerned about being primary from
Speaker 1: the left, they may end up having to move left
Speaker 1: towards that positioning to to protect themselves. And so I
Speaker 1: think that's the dynamic we don't know enough about yet.
Speaker 1: How lathered up. Is the Democratic base gonna get in
Speaker 1: terms of agitating for for impeachment and demanding that their
Speaker 1: people do it. Does lanh Chen watch Game one of
Speaker 1: the NBA Finals time or the Michael Bennett's CNN Hound
Speaker 1: Home but neither neither. I watched the Dodgers Mets game. Wow. Wow,
Speaker 1: early season baseball questionable on the line, right, So listen
Speaker 1: to the narrative from the President and the Republicans is
Speaker 1: that the Democrats aren't legislating, they're investigating. They need to stop.
Speaker 1: To what extent is that true? To what extent has
Speaker 1: significant legislation installed? And we have about forty seconds for
Speaker 1: your answer. Well, look, I think I think it's true
Speaker 1: that there's no legislative action happening in terms of stuff
Speaker 1: going through the House and the Senate. I think the
Speaker 1: House and Senate individually are doing things, but it's almost
Speaker 1: like Mars and Venus. They're not really really talking to
Speaker 1: each other and they're not doing a whole lot together.
Speaker 1: I take the president's point, which is it's difficult for
Speaker 1: him to work together with Democrats when he every day
Speaker 1: all Democrats want to do is try and and and
Speaker 1: counter him and try and get him out of office.
Speaker 1: So it's a fair and legitimate concern. But I think
Speaker 1: everybody just needs to grow up and let's get some
Speaker 1: things done to the American people, because Gosh knows that
Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff that needs to get done
Speaker 1: here over these next several months and years, not the
Speaker 1: least of which, by the way, is dealing with the debt.
Speaker 1: That's the sort of thing you hear on crossing lines
Speaker 1: with lan he Chan will have a link at Armstrong
Speaker 1: and Gutty dot com. Ln he always enlightening. Thanks a million,
Speaker 1: Good with you, guys.