1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:02,680 Speaker 1: Yes, there are some, and the press makes more of 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: a fuss about the two they and the two hundred 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: who were over half of the Congress, after half of 4 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: the of the Democrats and the House sit on one 5 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: of these six committees, so they're all on a path 6 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: of finding more information. That's Nancy Policy, Speaker of the House, 7 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: making the point yesterday, and I you know, I think 8 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:26,319 Speaker 1: she wanted to be on a microphone and say this, 9 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: look that I got like thirty eight people that are 10 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: for impeachment and two hundred that are not. Now we 11 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,480 Speaker 1: are investigating and doing all that, but it's not even 12 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: close to the majority. I just heard CNN say there's 13 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: gonna be no impeachment unless Nancy wants it. How does 14 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: that work? I know the committee votes out recommendation for 15 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: impeachment or but does the Speaker of the House have 16 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 1: to put up that? Could she just say no, Well, 17 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: you know what, even if all of them wanted to 18 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: do it, could could the Speaker of the House say no, 19 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: we're not We're not taking this up. I'm pretty sure 20 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: I know the answer to that question. But I am 21 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: certain that ln he Chen knows. He's the host of 22 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: the podcast Crossing Lindes with lan he Channe, also David 23 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: and Diane Stephy, Research Fellow at the Hoover Institution and 24 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: Director of Domestic Policy Studies and Lecturer in Public Policy 25 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: at Stanford University. Lan he how are you, sir? Good morning? 26 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: Never dull moment? Oh my god. Truer words have never 27 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: been spoken. So to Jack's question, could Nancy hold up 28 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: impeachment single handedly? Yeah, I don't think she can do 29 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,919 Speaker 1: it single handedly. What she is trying to do, obviously, 30 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: is she's trying to sway the view of people in 31 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 1: the Democratic concuss And the question is how many people 32 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: are loyal to her versus how many people are not. 33 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: And if at some point it becomes clear that there's 34 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,759 Speaker 1: an overwhelming majority of her own people who say, look, 35 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: we've got to proceed to impeachment proceedings, that there's not 36 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 1: a whole time she could do. I mean, she could 37 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: weigh on people who support her, She could weigh on 38 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: people who are loyal to her, but as that number shrinks, 39 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: if people feel it's important for them to move forward, 40 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: she's not going to be able to hold this up 41 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: on her own. No, okay, just because they vote her 42 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: out or what would happen. Yeah, I mean, certainly they 43 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: that's one possibility that she refused to bring it to 44 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: the floor, they probably boot her. But we're nowhere near 45 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 1: in a majority. Were at a points, so it's not 46 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: even close. Yeah, I think I think we have to 47 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: be careful about about following some of the media narrative 48 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 1: on this, because I think that while it's true there's 49 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 1: a lot of very vocal people in the Democratic Party, 50 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 1: including pretty much everybody who's running for president, saying that 51 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: Trump needs to be impeached, the reality is that a 52 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: lot of the rank and file Democrats in the House, 53 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 1: that's not where they are. So we have to keep 54 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: a close eye on where these numbers go. Now, if 55 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: it starts to creep up toward let's say a hundred 56 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:44,359 Speaker 1: people or more than that, uh, then she's got an issue. 57 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: But for now, we're still talking about a relatively smaller 58 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: but very vocal minority. And I know exactly what you're 59 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: talking about because as I watched cable news yesterday, particularly 60 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: CNN and MSNBC to hear what they're saying, all the hosts, 61 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 1: all the guests thought it was imperative that they moved 62 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 1: forward with impeachment. I mean, without exception really on those 63 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 1: two channels. Well, right, it's it's a media narrative and 64 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 1: that's being driven by who has the biggest microphone, and 65 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: right now in the Democratic Party, it's not Nancy Pelosi. 66 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: It's the people running for president. And when you have 67 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: the vast majority of people, I don't know if it's 68 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: a vast shouldn't say vast majority, but I think it 69 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 1: is close to a majority, if not more than that, 70 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: who are interested in in proceeding to impeach Donald Trump. 71 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: That is why you hear this constantly, because those guys 72 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: are always on TV talking about whatever and and and 73 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: so those are the ones who are driving this dialog. Well, 74 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting though, the the guy that's 75 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: got more more heff than all of them added together currently, 76 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: Joe Biden. He didn't say a word yesterday. Well yeah, 77 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: he probably will at some point, but listen, I just 78 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: wanted to interject that a lot of the people howling 79 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: for impeachment are are like you know, if I know 80 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: my wife is going to say no, there's no way 81 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: we get ice cream, I can say all day long, 82 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: I'm with you, as we ought to get ice cream. 83 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: Ice cream is delicious, it's a nourishing treat. It's never 84 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: gonna happen. But I get all the credits, So it's 85 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: it's it's so phony. Uh, you know that that that's 86 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: a great point. I can say that's a great point. 87 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: I mean, this whole impeachment discussion is phony, because what 88 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: we've got to realize is that it's a political discussion. 89 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: As much as these people who favor impeachment want to 90 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: talk about it, as you know they you'll hear them 91 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: talking about obstruction of justice and being a legal issue, 92 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: it's not a legal issue. It's a political question. It 93 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 1: was a political question when they impeach Clinton in the 94 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: same thing, and and and and so I just wish 95 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: we would have a more genuine discussion about what's really 96 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: going on here. Okay, well, what do you put the 97 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: percentages of an impeachment to proceeding happening at right now? Likelihood? 98 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: The likelihood? Yeah, I probably put it at one and 99 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: four one and between one and four, one and three, 100 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: So still not extremely likely, but not well enough percentage 101 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 1: that people can't ignore it. Yeah, I just I don't 102 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 1: see what's going to change it. The entirety of the 103 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 1: Mula report was out and did not move the polls, 104 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: and I odah, And then you've got old man Mueller speaking. 105 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: I'm certain that won't change it. And in a very 106 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: recent Quinnipiac poll, fifty of people say yeah, Trump committed 107 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 1: crimes before he became president. About six percent say he's 108 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: committed crimes. Wally was president, he had a paltry twenty 109 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 1: nine percent support even the beginning of the process to 110 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: impeach the president. It's not gonna happen. Yeah, I mean, 111 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: I think the only the only factor I would add 112 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 1: to that, and I think all that data makes a 113 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: lot of sense, is that if you look at the 114 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: data amongst Democratic partisans, if you look at the data 115 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 1: amongst Democratic partisans are self identified Democratic primary voters, I 116 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 1: bet those numbers are a lot higher. And so certainly 117 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: for the presidential candidates, that's what they care about. And 118 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: then even for some of these Democrats who, let's say 119 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: they're more moderate but they're concerned about being primary from 120 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:55,239 Speaker 1: the left, they may end up having to move left 121 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: towards that positioning to to protect themselves. And so I 122 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 1: think that's the dynamic we don't know enough about yet. 123 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 1: How lathered up. Is the Democratic base gonna get in 124 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: terms of agitating for for impeachment and demanding that their 125 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: people do it. Does lanh Chen watch Game one of 126 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:13,679 Speaker 1: the NBA Finals time or the Michael Bennett's CNN Hound 127 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 1: Home but neither neither. I watched the Dodgers Mets game. Wow. Wow, 128 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 1: early season baseball questionable on the line, right, So listen 129 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 1: to the narrative from the President and the Republicans is 130 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: that the Democrats aren't legislating, they're investigating. They need to stop. 131 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,359 Speaker 1: To what extent is that true? To what extent has 132 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 1: significant legislation installed? And we have about forty seconds for 133 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: your answer. Well, look, I think I think it's true 134 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: that there's no legislative action happening in terms of stuff 135 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: going through the House and the Senate. I think the 136 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: House and Senate individually are doing things, but it's almost 137 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: like Mars and Venus. They're not really really talking to 138 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: each other and they're not doing a whole lot together. 139 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,119 Speaker 1: I take the president's point, which is it's difficult for 140 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: him to work together with Democrats when he every day 141 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 1: all Democrats want to do is try and and and 142 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 1: counter him and try and get him out of office. 143 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: So it's a fair and legitimate concern. But I think 144 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: everybody just needs to grow up and let's get some 145 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: things done to the American people, because Gosh knows that 146 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff that needs to get done 147 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: here over these next several months and years, not the 148 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: least of which, by the way, is dealing with the debt. 149 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: That's the sort of thing you hear on crossing lines 150 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: with lan he Chan will have a link at Armstrong 151 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: and Gutty dot com. Ln he always enlightening. Thanks a million, 152 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: Good with you, guys.