Speaker 1: Why are group proposals in why are marriage proposals now
Speaker 1: individual reality shows? So a friend of mine showed me
Speaker 1: her friend's child who got engaged. But it's like it's
Speaker 1: effectively you're coming with your own camera crew. So there's
Speaker 1: hashtags for couples now they're hashtags like this is their brand.
Speaker 1: So their brand, it's literally not reality show. Well, yes,
Speaker 1: we're gonna promote our brand. We're gonna promote our brand
Speaker 1: and integrated into this reality show. What reality show? Oh no,
Speaker 1: I'm getting engaged. But my fiance has talked to the
Speaker 1: producers aka my parents, and the segment producers aka the
Speaker 1: rest of the family and my siblings and friends, and
Speaker 1: they're all gonna get together and they're gonna get a
Speaker 1: location scout because there's gonna need to be a location
Speaker 1: and we're producing our own reality show. It's called the Proposal.
Speaker 1: What do you mean, Well, what it means is my
Speaker 1: fiance is going to have a bunch of people ready
Speaker 1: with a video camera and a still photographer and then
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come in when cued and maybe we're miked.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but they might just get it on
Speaker 1: the boom and then I'm gonna walk in and then
Speaker 1: my fiance is going to read his lines and get
Speaker 1: me the ring that I chose and approved, get on
Speaker 1: his knees with the right angle so the producers aka
Speaker 1: the parents and family can get the shots. But then
Speaker 1: we're gonna create a hashtag and we're gonna build our brand.
Speaker 1: What's your brand? Oh, Jeremy Allison. For God's sakes, we're
Speaker 1: Jeremy Allison Freedom Weekend. Oh, because that's coming up. We're
Speaker 1: gonna brand it because we're promoting it. We're doing a
Speaker 1: press stour. What's the press Well, we're planning for the wedding,
Speaker 1: and so the press store is going to be the
Speaker 1: next six months while we planned the red wedding. We're
Speaker 1: just gonna get the word out about Jeremy and Allison's
Speaker 1: Freedom Weekend, and then it's gonna air on the wedding
Speaker 1: day and then we're gonna do a whole other reality
Speaker 1: show when we have the baby. So it sounds like
Speaker 1: Bethany getting married and Bethany ever after, only it doesn't
Speaker 1: feel like they're making as much money. So, but what's
Speaker 1: going on now is group of proposals. And for the record,
Speaker 1: i'd never got I never got engaged on camera, and
Speaker 1: I've been engaged enough that that's actually a feat. I
Speaker 1: never got engaged on camera because that just is so
Speaker 1: awkward for me and for the person I'm in a
Speaker 1: relationship with, like Paul would Paul would never doesn't want
Speaker 1: to ever be on camera, but like to propose and
Speaker 1: share such a moment I Peete on the stick, and
Speaker 1: that was I will never forget that, and I will
Speaker 1: always on some level regret It's the only contrived thing
Speaker 1: I ever did on reality TV is Pete on the stick.
Speaker 1: But I feel like, if you're not actually on a
Speaker 1: reality show with cameras following you, you don't need to
Speaker 1: propose in front of a group of people. Kind of
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, it just seems a little odd and
Speaker 1: not that intimate and crazy everybody's cheering. It's just but
Speaker 1: you know, I guess I'm just a hater. What do
Speaker 1: you want? It just seems just the group of posal
Speaker 1: thing is unusual to me. If it didn't happen on camera,
Speaker 1: it didn't happen. It used to be if a tree fella,
Speaker 1: no one heard it. They should just change the expression
Speaker 1: now to if a moment happened and it wasn't documented,
Speaker 1: then it didn't happen. My guest today is Gabby Reese.
Speaker 1: She is a legendary volleyball player, model, and TV host.
Speaker 1: She is also Nike's very first female spokeswoman and shoe designer.
Speaker 1: In addition to her past and sports, she along with
Speaker 1: her husband, is co founder of Layered Superfood, their plant
Speaker 1: based nutrition company. She has trademarked her own workouts and
Speaker 1: has become a major player in the health and fitness world,
Speaker 1: with her advice being featured in magazines and television shows.
Speaker 1: I'm inspired by her journey as not only a businesswoman
Speaker 1: an athlete, but as a New York Times bestselling author.
Speaker 1: Their television personality and fellow podcast host, Gabby Reese knows
Speaker 1: how to do it all. Enjoy. I'm so excited to
Speaker 1: meet you. I've been aware of you for a really,
Speaker 1: really long time. I just have been aware of you.
Speaker 1: And then when I'm about to interview someone, I think
Speaker 1: about sort of because you. It's hard for you. You're you.
Speaker 1: You don't know how I perceive you, and I've been
Speaker 1: aware of you forever, and as I think about it,
Speaker 1: you really have been the face and name of volleyball,
Speaker 1: not just women's volleyball, but the face and name of
Speaker 1: marketing of volleyball since forever. I had Dorothy Hamilon recently
Speaker 1: and I thought, oh, she was the face of ice skating,
Speaker 1: but so is you know, so were other people for you.
Speaker 1: It's really the only if someone said a professional volleyball player,
Speaker 1: you're the only person whose name I would know. So
Speaker 1: that says a lot about messaging and marketing and charisma
Speaker 1: and just who you are in the world and sort
Speaker 1: of the image that you have, and I wanted now
Speaker 1: know what backs that up. So where did you grow up?
Speaker 2: Well, I spent a few years. My mother took a
Speaker 2: tiny hiatus from parenting for about five years, so I
Speaker 2: actually spent from age two to seven in Long Island
Speaker 2: and then I was raised in the Caribbean, so my
Speaker 2: years were living in Saint Thomas, and then my junior
Speaker 2: year I was moved out of there to Florida, I
Speaker 2: think with the hopes of me sort of putting my
Speaker 2: teeth into something. And then that's when I got really
Speaker 2: involved in sports and other things and ended up going
Speaker 2: to college at Florida State for volleyball.
Speaker 1: But what did you mean when you said put my
Speaker 1: teeth into some of you were just in high school.
Speaker 1: You were thinking about actually the meaning of what you
Speaker 1: were going to do with your life in high school.
Speaker 2: No, I think when you grew up on an island,
Speaker 2: it's really great when you're very small, but it also
Speaker 2: can be an idle place when you get into these
Speaker 2: formative years. And so I think the hope was that
Speaker 2: that was put into an environment that maybe I would
Speaker 2: sort of find something that was interesting for me, and
Speaker 2: I did, so, Yeah, I mean I wasn't thinking about
Speaker 2: doing sports or going to university for sports or anything
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: Were you very athletic always? Were you born this way?
Speaker 2: No? I mean I think I was active, and obviously
Speaker 2: I'm very I mean I'm six foot three, I'm very
Speaker 2: and I haven't you know, sort of there's an athletic
Speaker 2: miss to me. But I wouldn't say I was like
Speaker 2: and I was a little bit of a tomboy, but
Speaker 2: nothing crazy. But I think for me, it's always the
Speaker 2: framework of the discipline around sports and the camaraderie. There
Speaker 2: was something about that that really and volleyball is a
Speaker 2: very fun game, but just something about that having a
Speaker 2: mission and working hard and being with teammates. Even though
Speaker 2: that you know that has its own complexities. That was
Speaker 2: very appealing to me. Well, you know, we're all looking
Speaker 2: for a tribe, so to speak, especially at that age.
Speaker 1: Right, And I was good. The question I was going
Speaker 1: to ask was about the discipline. So that's been a
Speaker 1: huge part of your success as an athlete. The discipline,
Speaker 1: the code, the sort of having that thing to grab
Speaker 1: on when things get tough and keep going, which is
Speaker 1: very parallel to business in my opinion, It's can be
Speaker 1: really hard and you just have to like suffer through
Speaker 1: it and just figure it out and find your way in.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, listen, we've taken a company public, and
Speaker 2: we've done a lot of businesses and I've had to
Speaker 2: be an entrepreneur playing on a really small platform like
Speaker 2: beach volleyball. And it is the skill set that you
Speaker 2: learn in sport or in other people get in other places.
Speaker 2: Maybe somebody was a dancer, which is a sport, or
Speaker 2: a musician or something where you get that metal I
Speaker 2: call to sort of. I think people don't realize that
Speaker 2: anytime you pursue anything simultaneously, all along the way, you're
Speaker 2: getting your ass kids by what's hard about it? That
Speaker 2: is part of it. It isn't like, oh, I do
Speaker 2: business and then it all happens. It's like, no, that
Speaker 2: is all very hard, and you have to be able
Speaker 2: to figure out how to weather that and and continue
Speaker 2: to stay focused on what's the plan of action, what
Speaker 2: are solutions and how am I going to weather these
Speaker 2: you know, these little mini storms.
Speaker 1: But also those storms, surviving them and learning from them
Speaker 1: when the stakes get higher are so valuable. Like it's
Speaker 1: not that you're just getting beaten up and weathering it.
Speaker 1: It's that you're all still learning. It's a case law.
Speaker 1: So you got your ass kicked on that deal or
Speaker 1: I guess in that game, but you learned what to
Speaker 1: do differently next time. And the stakes can be higher
Speaker 1: when you know it's the losses seem so big when
Speaker 1: they're happening, but later on you realize, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm glad that happened then not now.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's a really important way to look
Speaker 2: at things, is when it's happening, is okay, what are
Speaker 2: the lessons so that I have a little bit more
Speaker 2: you know, knowledge or experience going forward, Because I I mean,
Speaker 2: I went to school communications, and I even think if
Speaker 2: people go to business school and they can build decks
Speaker 2: and they can do all those right things. There is
Speaker 2: still no know nothing like experience and being in scenarios
Speaker 2: and also like listening to your gut, Like you'll be
Speaker 2: in a situation when you're younger and you'll feel something
Speaker 2: and you won't really act upon it, or you about
Speaker 2: a person maybe and you'll be like oh, And I
Speaker 2: think as you get older, you're like, oh, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: I've learned that lesson, like this isn't the right scenario,
Speaker 2: we need to do this. I think there's all these things.
Speaker 2: No matter how much schooling you get, it's really going
Speaker 2: through it that you go oh okay. And also sort
Speaker 2: of I think it is different for women than men,
Speaker 2: where you learn to how to communicate and be ready
Speaker 2: for people to be unhappy or uncomfortable or balk and
Speaker 2: you just go, okay, that's cool. But we are talking
Speaker 2: about business, and in some ways this isn't personal. Even
Speaker 2: though we're going to be ethical, right, we're going to
Speaker 2: be honest, we're going to be ethical people, there's sometimes
Speaker 2: things that are really uncomfortable and unfair in business.
Speaker 1: Right, And I feel that it's like case law, literally,
Speaker 1: you remember that versus that that ended up and so
Speaker 1: now you remember that exact thing, and so you're gonna
Speaker 1: do it differently. But you're right, it won't always be popular.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not show friends, it's show business, I say,
Speaker 1: And it will not always be I like to say,
Speaker 1: I realize that's not very popular that opinion, or that
Speaker 1: we're doing it that way, but that's what we're doing.
Speaker 1: You have to have conviction because waffling. My fiancee always
Speaker 1: says that the second worst answer is no, like that
Speaker 1: maybe is the worst being in the middle, you know,
Speaker 1: not being able to speak your mind and say what
Speaker 1: you need and what's going on because you're freed, you're
Speaker 1: gonna hurt feelings. It leaves you in the middle of
Speaker 1: nowher then you're really in the middle of you know,
Speaker 1: trying to swim to the island. Well, so, so you
Speaker 1: were in a small you know, from a I guess
Speaker 1: media or perception standpoint, a smaller sport as you were
Speaker 1: just saying, before it was a women's volleyball. So that
Speaker 1: was a long time ago, before every single person had
Speaker 1: a personal brand and was an entrepreneur and all that.
Speaker 1: So you did you did you have any awareness of
Speaker 1: that that should be monetized, or that that should be marketed,
Speaker 1: or that you had something or to break out to
Speaker 1: the world, and even modeling seems like an outlier in
Speaker 1: that case. But so I'm wondering what you were. You're
Speaker 1: building the plane and flying it, So are you aware
Speaker 1: that you need to this is fifteen minutes?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think for me it was always like the
Speaker 2: order of importance, right, So the order of importance was
Speaker 2: work hard, be good at what you're doing, because if
Speaker 2: you're if you jump ahead, then you fifteen minutes turns
Speaker 2: to like four minutes. And so I think it's important
Speaker 2: that you know. I always focused on and I followed
Speaker 2: the things that felt right for who I was. The
Speaker 2: thing is sometimes in sports or in fashion for example.
Speaker 2: I mean my accountant when I was nineteen was like,
Speaker 2: why are you playing volleyball? I was in college. Why
Speaker 2: don't you model full time and make as much money
Speaker 2: as you can while you can? And I was like, yes,
Speaker 2: but that's not me, Like I feel more connected to
Speaker 2: being an athlete. So for me, it was first always
Speaker 2: hearing what do I want? What do I want? Because
Speaker 2: it's easy to get distracted about well, they're doing this,
Speaker 2: and that's popular, right, now. So it was that, and
Speaker 2: it was also understanding that people weren't going to see
Speaker 2: me that often, and so when they did, how is
Speaker 2: I going to represent myself as genuinely like who I
Speaker 2: really am, but also with a little bit of a
Speaker 2: high polish so that you know, you realize, like, hey,
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, people respond to the high polish. But
Speaker 2: just make sure that everything's lined up as far as like,
Speaker 2: you do the work, you show up, you deliver, and
Speaker 2: how do I put a little bit of that on top?
Speaker 1: Right, you're talking about the cupcake and the frosting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the cupcake, Yeah, I get it, Like the cupcake has
Speaker 1: to be good, but you can put little decorations on it.
Speaker 1: And I get that, and I find I find that
Speaker 1: quote unquote fame. It's very challenged. I've realized recently more
Speaker 1: than ever, when you're really seeing people produce their own
Speaker 1: lives for social media, that it's very difficult to be
Speaker 1: authentic and always just totally brutally honest and unfiltered and
Speaker 1: be relevant because you sort of have to be a
Speaker 1: lot full of shit and fake and filter yourself and
Speaker 1: make yourself something you're not, because authenticity can be boring.
Speaker 1: It's unique and people love it, but it can also
Speaker 1: it's not shiny, no, And then we're living in a
Speaker 1: very shiny, superficial world now, and I don't resit. I
Speaker 1: don't succumb to that temptation because it just feels weird,
Speaker 1: you know, posing and trying to be the shiny, frosting
Speaker 1: version of ourselves. And I think that's an interesting thing
Speaker 1: about fame and being relevant. That's happening right now more
Speaker 1: than ever because people get caught filtering their waists and
Speaker 1: their bodies, and you know what does that mean?
Speaker 2: I think people have to ask themselves what's their end goal?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Right, Like, I mean I've been doing this for thirty
Speaker 2: four years, and my end goal wasn't. Actually I understood
Speaker 2: the intention. The attention was important, so I could create
Speaker 2: the opportunity.
Speaker 1: Yes, get them in the store, but show them you
Speaker 1: have something real.
Speaker 2: Right, But you're like, I want to work with that person.
Speaker 2: I want to do this project. That's what the attention
Speaker 2: is for. And so when people, I think they have
Speaker 2: to define for themselves what do they want? Do they
Speaker 2: want like white hot light and a lot of attention?
Speaker 2: But I think it's a it's a backwards approach. I
Speaker 2: think when you are saying, no, this is what I'd
Speaker 2: like to deliver, how do I do that? And fight
Speaker 2: the urge to pretend that you have anything figured out
Speaker 2: or it's perfect, because in the end that will work
Speaker 2: against you. But that means also that you have to
Speaker 2: have something actual that you're delivering. Yes, because if it's
Speaker 2: all smoking mirrors are all most steak, then you know what,
Speaker 2: go for it, like make those smash and grabs, do
Speaker 2: that thing. Yeah, bail. But if you're like, hey, I
Speaker 2: have a long story that I think I can try
Speaker 2: to deliver, then you have to. And it's listen, it's
Speaker 2: it isn't as like juicy and like wow, but it's
Speaker 2: sort of maybe sanshing your legs.
Speaker 1: I agree. I agree with everything you're saying. You said
Speaker 1: that very very very well exactly. And but by the way,
Speaker 1: you're right if it's all smoking mirrors, and go do
Speaker 1: the smash and grab job, because you should know that.
Speaker 1: And that's being smart too to know that, right, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, and there are certain people on reality television
Speaker 1: or the Jersey Shore or wherever that were like, I'm
Speaker 1: taking every penny off the floor because I don't know
Speaker 1: how long it's gonna last and that's smart. That's the
Speaker 1: sixteen minute people. Yeah, and many of them go on
Speaker 1: to have a major careers, like a poly D who
Speaker 1: is a legitimate DJ. That was smart. That's an example
Speaker 1: of someone who used the sizzle of a show where
Speaker 1: they were perceived as dopes and they aren't. And he
Speaker 1: makes millions of dollars DJing. That's somebody, and he's got
Speaker 1: all the bling and that's part of his persona. And
Speaker 1: I don't know why I've never brought up Polyd in
Speaker 1: my entire life, but I just thought of him. So
Speaker 1: that's how I am. I'm always looking at the chess board.
Speaker 1: I'm always looking at the chessboard. I'm aware of the pieces,
Speaker 1: but I want to do each thing that I'm doing
Speaker 1: in that moment. Well, like it's not that hard. It's
Speaker 1: just like you're doing a marathon and you're just like
Speaker 1: one mile a time. So you're playing volleyball and that
Speaker 1: those are the pieces you're in this on the board.
Speaker 1: But how are you looking at the chessboard and what
Speaker 1: were your moves and what was your plan and what
Speaker 1: was your luck and how did it sort of shake
Speaker 1: down that you became this known successful actress, model, slash
Speaker 1: you know, volleyball player personality really just like person in
Speaker 1: the media.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I think it's two things. It's sort of looking and
Speaker 2: taking care of where you are at the moment. You know,
Speaker 2: in football they talk about like when the guy is
Speaker 2: catching the ball. A lot of times they'll say, the
Speaker 2: temptation is to start to run before you secure the ball.
Speaker 2: And that's a real problem, right, because you're done this
Speaker 2: before you finish taking care of that. Yeah, And so
Speaker 2: for me, it was like when you're in sport or
Speaker 2: you're in work, right, you're delivering, you have to deliver.
Speaker 2: But then there's an important thing I believe is that
Speaker 2: you look up into the future and you sort of
Speaker 2: say one year, three years, five years, who am I now?
Speaker 2: But who am I also thinking I'm becoming? So I
Speaker 2: don't get stuck here. And because all that takes so
Speaker 2: much time, right, Like to build any business takes years
Speaker 2: and years to start new projects, they just take time.
Speaker 2: So I think for me, I always have the knack
Speaker 2: of not being identified by the thing only that I
Speaker 2: was doing, and not being afraid to not be that
Speaker 2: any longer. But to say, well, who else do I
Speaker 2: think I would like to be in this life and
Speaker 2: and lean into the things that naturally were appealing to me,
Speaker 2: not forced, not like oh why I should do business now,
Speaker 2: that's stupid. So I just always did that. And you
Speaker 2: said an important word, which is luck. I think it's
Speaker 2: always important to acknowledge that you can do great jobs
Speaker 2: and be strategic and be you know, dialed in, but
Speaker 2: you are also receiving a bit you know, the fairy
Speaker 2: dust and the grace, and that is part of it.
Speaker 2: But it's it's being strategic, not getting spit out of
Speaker 2: a situation. Like I'm retired now from volleyball, looking up
Speaker 2: and going what do I want to do? That's too late.
Speaker 2: You have to do it sooner and sort of think, oh, well,
Speaker 2: what would be interesting? And I always say to people,
Speaker 2: people want to help you more when you're in something
Speaker 2: than when you're done with something.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, whether it's dating or getting a job.
Speaker 1: If you're dating somebody, if you want to date you
Speaker 1: you have a job, you can get five jobs. You
Speaker 1: have nothing, you're sitting home. It's energy that feels to
Speaker 1: me like the energy you're putting out there. It's like
Speaker 1: the waves. You're a husband's a surfer, I don't know
Speaker 1: if you're a surfer too, but like when that set
Speaker 1: a wave comes, you got to ride every single one,
Speaker 1: get exhausted because you might get caught in the impact
Speaker 1: zone and you can't get out, you can't get in,
Speaker 1: You're just like stuck. Yeah, so it's good to just yeah,
Speaker 1: that's so interesting. What about age now and being at
Speaker 1: a different point than you were then and a woman
Speaker 1: and vanity and what is that thing that you want
Speaker 1: to be now? You know, Like, what are you saying now, Oh,
Speaker 1: that's what I want to do or be or evolve into.
Speaker 2: I want to be. And I don't mean this in
Speaker 2: the literal sense, but yet in some ways I do.
Speaker 2: It's like be a boss, you know, Like I used
Speaker 2: to joke, you know, we have two businesses. We have
Speaker 2: a food company and learn super Food and we have
Speaker 2: a training XPTE. And so I joke because I've got
Speaker 2: these young, very talented, very intelligent male sort of program directors,
Speaker 2: really smart guys, maybe their mid thirties, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: what's interesting for me from my point of view in
Speaker 2: my early fifties besides the fact that I'm also in
Speaker 2: a relationship where I'm interested if laired desires me and
Speaker 2: the rest it doesn't matter. But let's just say it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter if you want to procreate with me,
Speaker 2: because like I'm your boss, right, So it's like it's
Speaker 2: taking I heard it in a quote. There's a time
Speaker 2: that you're sort of like a warrior, a hands on
Speaker 2: the boots on the ground, and that could be in
Speaker 2: anything as a young woman, as a young male, and
Speaker 2: there's a time to try to move into a leadership
Speaker 2: and wizard like be the wizard, right, And so I
Speaker 2: think for me, it's sort of saying there's a lot
Speaker 2: of ways to contribute. And when we're younger, we sort
Speaker 2: of think we're supposed to show up and be perfect
Speaker 2: and be pretty and do all these things, and that
Speaker 2: might be part of it, but I feel like if
Speaker 2: we develop skill sets that we bring our values and
Speaker 2: experiences and other things. So what I look at it is, obviously,
Speaker 2: I'm taking care of my family, so I have that role,
Speaker 2: which is critical, but it's also going how am I
Speaker 2: going to continue to contribute as who I am, not
Speaker 2: who I've been, and not be afraid of that. And
Speaker 2: I feel like the women that can do that, especially
Speaker 2: when we talk about vanity. It's not that it can
Speaker 2: be liberating, and it doesn't mean I don't have mornings
Speaker 2: in the mirror where I'm like, holy shit, what's going on.
Speaker 2: But it's also about yes, and I am a lot
Speaker 2: of things. I don't have to just show up with
Speaker 2: my pretty you know, a high butt and like perfect skin.
Speaker 2: And having said that, if I take really good care
Speaker 2: of myself, I feel okay, right.
Speaker 1: I think that it's liberating to I mean, I've never
Speaker 1: I don't have a vein bone in my body. I
Speaker 1: just never have. But I find it liberating to get
Speaker 1: older and just really accept age. And it takes a
Speaker 1: lot of pressure off. So many people feel so much
Speaker 1: pressure about it. I feel so much less pressure. Like
Speaker 1: here we are, there's no competing with anybody young. I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to be anybody. I'm not. You'd, like you said,
Speaker 1: you want to be as healthy as possible and look
Speaker 1: as good as possible. Yeah, but I don't know. There's
Speaker 1: just a piece to it. But what you said before
Speaker 1: about being a boss and sort of having a different
Speaker 1: skill set and different wisdom as you get older, it's
Speaker 1: also you're probably better utilized coming from a place of
Speaker 1: knowledge and wisdom and experience than being in the weeds
Speaker 1: as a warrior. It has nothing to do with hierarchy,
Speaker 1: and it just has to do with where you're better.
Speaker 1: You've been, You've been through the other side. I mean
Speaker 1: you're not, you know, not all the way. You don't
Speaker 1: know everything, but you've been through it. So and it
Speaker 1: happens to me every day that I'm in weeds that
Speaker 1: I absolutely should not be in. I talk about it.
Speaker 1: My whole book, Businesses Personal is about this. I'm in
Speaker 1: weeds I should not be in every day, and getting
Speaker 1: out of them is endless. It's like it's like killing
Speaker 1: every roach in Manhattan. It just won't happen. But I'm
Speaker 1: better served being delegating, organizing, executing, being the connector communicator.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure you are as well, having been through
Speaker 1: so much, but there's.
Speaker 2: Always new things to learn. So it's like, in a way,
Speaker 2: it's like the willingness to be in the keep being
Speaker 2: in different weeds that feed the purpose so that we
Speaker 2: can keep you know, then we're sort of understanding. I
Speaker 2: love the quote, you know we don't live in the
Speaker 2: world we were born into. It's like, then, at least
Speaker 2: we're not out of completely out.
Speaker 1: Of Yes, that's true too. Yeah, it's like this, that's.
Speaker 2: Part of like, you know, where do I use my
Speaker 2: time best? But also, hey, I'll stay a student and
Speaker 2: open minded and flexible so I can also live in
Speaker 2: the in the world.
Speaker 1: That's now, So you're a business part you have two
Speaker 1: businesses you just mentioned. They're both obviously very on brand
Speaker 1: because they're about health and fitness. So you and your husband,
Speaker 1: who I realize now that your partners with, have stayed
Speaker 1: true to the core. So if someone says what do
Speaker 1: you do, you say, I guess you say, I was
Speaker 1: a model professional volleyball player, and I have two businesses
Speaker 1: and these business and a partners and my husband.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if someone says what do you do?
Speaker 2: I think you know, I've learned this a long time.
Speaker 2: When you talk about identity, even Laird talks about this.
Speaker 2: I'm laired and one of the things I do is surf,
Speaker 2: not I'm a surfer right, Because I also think that
Speaker 2: objectivity is very empowering. So I think when people say, hey,
Speaker 2: what do you do, I say, hey, I used okay,
Speaker 2: I used to be a professional athlete, and I have,
Speaker 2: you know, a few businesses. I'm an entrepreneur and other
Speaker 2: jobs I have is I'm a parent and I'm a
Speaker 2: wife and other things. But I actually try to create
Speaker 2: distance a little bit so that wherever I am that
Speaker 2: just being like me, Gabby is sort of feels enough.
Speaker 1: Like a person and without having that all be your identity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's that's really a that thing can kick.
Speaker 2: That can really I think kick your butt.
Speaker 1: It's like being a child star.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're like, and you need to tell everybody, like,
Speaker 2: oh I do this, I do that. Sometimes I just
Speaker 2: show up and I'm like, Hi, I'm Gabby, and like
Speaker 2: can have that discovery if it's natural and right, that's great.
Speaker 1: Well, right, I'm a housewive. I was on the Real Housewives.
Speaker 1: So it's my whole the rest of my life. It's
Speaker 1: all I've ever done in my life. So your partners
Speaker 1: with your husband in both businesses, so you're a business
Speaker 1: person and what percentage? First of all, what's harder being
Speaker 1: a professional athlete or being an entrepreneur?
Speaker 2: You know, that's interesting, I think obviously for different reasons,
Speaker 2: there's something really straightforward about athletics that is not the case.
Speaker 2: And like, if I work a little harder, usually in sport,
Speaker 2: I could get a little better and make gains. And
Speaker 2: you know, it's not personal. The person across the net
Speaker 2: is either better than you that day or they're not.
Speaker 2: I think in business there's so many nuances and personalities.
Speaker 2: And again we talked about the good luck and good timing,
Speaker 2: so I think business and also it's a big learning curve.
Speaker 2: So you know, with our food company, I mean, like
Speaker 2: I said, we, I mean that company went public in
Speaker 2: September of twenty so we have real grown ups in
Speaker 2: that business. You know, you're still we're highly involved, but
Speaker 2: also now you have like real support, real CFOs, real
Speaker 2: CEOs versus. When we started, it was three of us
Speaker 2: and you're just kind of dancing around doing hustling.
Speaker 1: Well wait, so it's late and I've seen the distribution.
Speaker 1: You have good distribution. And I did not even know
Speaker 1: that it was you. I thought it for a second. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I said, oh, like I thought and threw it
Speaker 1: away because it's Apple. The computer and the fruit don't
Speaker 1: have to be the same thing, so I thought it.
Speaker 1: But it is on brand now that I think of it.
Speaker 1: I saw it in the Whole Foods. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: what the like the superfood creamers and things like that, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a vegan creamer and there's other products as well.
Speaker 2: But you know, even that like having meetings with food
Speaker 2: scientists and talking about ingredients and there's things like this
Speaker 2: in food, which is fascinating. You can put so little
Speaker 2: of something into something that you don't even have to
Speaker 2: put it on label.
Speaker 1: Ah yeah, I know.
Speaker 2: It's literally having these conversations like no, we don't do that,
Speaker 2: and it makes everything harder. Yes, So it's it's been
Speaker 2: a learning on so many loves, you know, like what's
Speaker 2: the tokall for all? Okay? You know it's like really
Speaker 2: getting into it and saying what hill will I die on?
Speaker 2: And then when you let and then parts of the
Speaker 2: business that you go, no, you guys, do what you
Speaker 2: want with that part of the business. The only thing
Speaker 2: that we're the gatekeeper of is ingredients and also the
Speaker 2: sort of attitude or marketing tone of the business culture.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well but the ingredients are very hard. I've been
Speaker 1: through that, because it's cute to make something in your kitchen,
Speaker 1: but then to keep it shelf stable and get distribution
Speaker 1: and you know, compete, and then people wonder why you
Speaker 1: have certain things and things and you're just like, because
Speaker 1: you can't hate the player, hate the game, and I
Speaker 1: can't sell this on a farm stand. Yeah, and scale it.
Speaker 1: So that's challenging. And for you who's a real health person,
Speaker 1: that must be challenging.
Speaker 2: You just don't make certain things, that's the thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't.
Speaker 2: We treat we're on a big platform that we're acting
Speaker 2: like is a farm stand. And that's yeah, those are
Speaker 2: some of our guardrails. And that's just the way it is.
Speaker 1: I like it. So how much of it do you own?
Speaker 1: You will have to say these things.
Speaker 2: So it's public, Oh, I believe we are top four
Speaker 2: or five owner.
Speaker 1: You can say you feel like it's a big success.
Speaker 2: You know what's interesting is the sale. Year over year,
Speaker 2: sales increase forty five percent. We're getting our ass handed
Speaker 2: to us right now on the stock market. I think,
Speaker 2: like a lot of companies, Okay, you know these are challenging,
Speaker 2: but our sales are up. We were vertically integrated at
Speaker 2: two and a half years in before we went public,
Speaker 2: we had our own factory. Our co founder, who is
Speaker 2: our CEO, was very smart, so we had a factory
Speaker 2: pretty early. So there's certain things that because of the
Speaker 2: co founder with us that we made good decisions being
Speaker 2: vertically integrated. But listen, it's it's not easy. It's like
Speaker 2: you have six employees, then you have one hundred and
Speaker 2: twenty employees, and then you know, dealing with we only
Speaker 2: co pack one type of propit. We don't do liquid
Speaker 2: in our factory, so just even that like getting delayed
Speaker 2: and you know cold chain and all that. So it's again,
Speaker 2: the business is doing very very well. Sixty percent of
Speaker 2: our business is online and sixty percent of that business
Speaker 2: is direct with us, So there's subscicion models, there's all
Speaker 2: that stuff. So there's a really great things. But you know,
Speaker 2: it's uncomfortable to be a small, publicly traded business at times.
Speaker 1: Ah, And do you regret doing that or not at all?
Speaker 1: Like is that was it a great decision? Was the
Speaker 1: only decision? Was it a Sophie's choice? Like what about
Speaker 1: that decision? That business decision? Because I hear mixed about
Speaker 1: it all the time and you have to let go
Speaker 1: and some of you're too emotional about things. So I'm
Speaker 1: just wondering about that decision.
Speaker 2: You know, I think because we put the guardrails in
Speaker 2: about the products themselves, the ingredients for real. That it
Speaker 2: gives me great comfort because otherwise, you know, now you
Speaker 2: have a board and everyone's talking about margins and all
Speaker 2: these things. So I think that the fact that that's
Speaker 2: very well protected. But there's the pros and cons of both.
Speaker 2: For sure, I'm not going to be as like sometimes
Speaker 2: you know, you do it and I show some validity
Speaker 2: about your business and you know how you operate. But
Speaker 2: then there's times you're like, I wish we were private,
Speaker 2: that we could just pivot, you know, and it just
Speaker 2: doesn't work like that.
Speaker 1: Right, it does work like that, And it sounds like
Speaker 1: your knee deep in it though, like you're full on
Speaker 1: in it. It takes a lot, right, it seems insane,
Speaker 1: Like I don't think I could I have such a
Speaker 1: crazy business and it has I have like thirty categories
Speaker 1: and I'm in it, but I don't know if I
Speaker 1: if that would be for me per se, I'm not sure,
Speaker 1: Like dealing with so many voices in the room and
Speaker 1: so many cooks in the kitchen and what how do
Speaker 1: you so you're have so many questions. So you and
Speaker 1: your husband are partners, and you've made the choice in
Speaker 1: your life to be life partners and business partners so
Speaker 1: what like and all your businesses. It's not like you're
Speaker 1: just in one cute thing that you did together, one
Speaker 1: little real estate flip. Like you're knee deep invested in
Speaker 1: this partnership not relationship. That's different. But how is that that?
Speaker 1: I'm not being cliche about it, like I really want
Speaker 1: to know what the hell that is.
Speaker 2: Well, it's been twenty you know, twenty six years I've
Speaker 2: been with Laird, and I think what it was is
Speaker 2: that we have different strengths, and again out of necessity
Speaker 2: because we were on these small platforms, there were certain
Speaker 2: things like in the beginning of his for example, it's
Speaker 2: like nobody knows what you're doing out there, so we
Speaker 2: have to tell stories about that so people can actually
Speaker 2: even see what you're doing. So I think it's like
Speaker 2: a progression of well, let's tell that story because people
Speaker 2: can't buy a ticket and go watch it.
Speaker 1: So okay, And that was you. You were helping him with that.
Speaker 1: You were sort of the producer while he was the talent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I had to do that with my work.
Speaker 2: You know, like I'm younger than him, but in that way,
Speaker 2: I was a little bit older. By the way, is
Speaker 2: a hundred times better at his sport than I ever
Speaker 2: was at my sport.
Speaker 1: But that's a different story. He's an animal. I mean
Speaker 1: I watched riding giants. I said, I think I always say,
Speaker 1: which is crazy. I met him and I don't know
Speaker 1: if you were there in montak one time at the surflage,
Speaker 1: uh huh. I always say he has to be the
Speaker 1: greatest athlete of all time. And my reasoning is, you're
Speaker 1: in a race car, you're in a car, you're you know,
Speaker 1: you're you're on the ski mountain. Yes, there could be
Speaker 1: an avalanche, but the snow is standing still. The ocean
Speaker 1: could just decide what it's doing. There could be a
Speaker 1: shark or a thing or whatever, Like the ocean is
Speaker 1: a wild beast of an ana animal. It's crazy. And
Speaker 1: I know that that guy said he had a third testicle,
Speaker 1: but that's just like trite and funny, but like, holy shit,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. So I guess maybe you're right. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're an amazing athlete, but only because he's an animal
Speaker 1: in the wild like that. That's just crazy. It's not controlled.
Speaker 1: So maybe you're right.
Speaker 2: Yes, And also he's you know, this is a person
Speaker 2: who's skill set has met their destiny right. And also
Speaker 2: there's other athletes like Laird that take on these things
Speaker 2: and the elements that are are very challenging. But I
Speaker 2: always thought we could help each other. I could help
Speaker 2: him because in a way, when someone is on a
Speaker 2: mission and it's like so pure, that part of me
Speaker 2: was like, I can get behind that.
Speaker 1: His mission was so pure you're saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's dedicated that. I was like I could
Speaker 2: totally get behind that. And Laird is a very present person.
Speaker 2: So as a husband and as a father, he's wow.
Speaker 2: As intense as he is about the ocean, he directs
Speaker 2: that energy and it feels good, like you don't even
Speaker 2: know of it. You're like, okay, cool, like why not,
Speaker 2: We're good, you know, and so and it just was
Speaker 2: a natural flow, like he's good. He's very creative, like
Speaker 2: he's very good at certain things that it's we're different.
Speaker 2: So I think we just naturally fell into really different
Speaker 2: roles and you know, sort of details land on my
Speaker 2: side and sort of the bigger thing and layered is
Speaker 2: the genuine motor of like I like this. I've been
Speaker 2: drinking this for two years. It seems to work good
Speaker 2: for me. And then all the time. It's very literal
Speaker 2: and really creative. So I think we're really fortunate. We
Speaker 2: just have to be careful to not let everything bleed over.
Speaker 2: Everything like laying in your bed with your pet on
Speaker 2: your talking about bullshit.
Speaker 1: Well yeah you know, Yeah, that's structure. That's like discipline too,
Speaker 1: But you have that because you know how to be disciplined.
Speaker 1: Both of you do, but sometimes we don't. Yeah no,
Speaker 1: because it's well, when there's a crisis, you got to
Speaker 1: deal with it. It's great that you too have the
Speaker 1: entirely different skill sets use each other. You could be
Speaker 1: a great partnership and a team. And that's I guess.
Speaker 1: You have to find people around you that are really
Speaker 1: good at different things, so that makes sense.
Speaker 2: And values and values. I think the thing is that
Speaker 2: your values are always lined up, yes, even if you
Speaker 2: arrive different. Yes, And how you want to treat people,
Speaker 2: how you view money, how you view your health, whatever
Speaker 2: it is. I think the success comes when you go, hey, listen,
Speaker 2: you're totally different than me, and your strengths are different,
Speaker 2: but our values are similar enough that in there we're
Speaker 2: really we're really locked in.
Speaker 1: Well. I think people get so enticed by hiring talented people,
Speaker 1: smart people, charismatic people, charming people or working with and
Speaker 1: it's impossible to you can't. There's no price on loyalty
Speaker 1: and hard work and a person being a good person,
Speaker 1: you know like that, you just know that they're maybe
Speaker 1: as good coming in, you know, as if they decided
Speaker 1: to move on, and that's a big deal. So I
Speaker 1: think that that's good in partnership too.
Speaker 2: And representation. I think people have to be careful when
Speaker 2: you talk about, you know, corporate culture. Everyone is representing
Speaker 2: you know, if it's your business, you and so who's
Speaker 2: out there interfacing with the world on your behalf. So
Speaker 2: I think that that's where the value thing is important.
Speaker 1: Sports versus business. It sounds like the discipline and the
Speaker 1: ladder of sports is almost like it's almost like a
Speaker 1: physical and emotional corporate ladder. Like you know, the road
Speaker 1: for the most part, go to or go to school,
Speaker 1: go to law school, go to word. What you guys
Speaker 1: are doing with being entrepreneurs, you really have to navigate.
Speaker 1: It's more like surfing. I really do think it's a
Speaker 1: lot like surfing because you have to hit it when
Speaker 1: it's hot, calm down and sit back when it's not
Speaker 1: and just wait, and that's and it's very interesting and invigorating.
Speaker 1: What about just having a successful relationship, meaning I'm sure
Speaker 1: it's not perfect, but it's lasted decade, So that's by
Speaker 1: my definition successful. It's a partnership that has lasted decades.
Speaker 1: So what are your greatest takeaways from that, things that
Speaker 1: you really grab onto when the shit hits the fan.
Speaker 2: It's in a way very simple in a way. Well,
Speaker 2: first of all, I would like to say I think
Speaker 2: it started with a lot of chemistry. And I don't
Speaker 2: mean like, oh you know, I don't mean just sexual chemistry.
Speaker 2: I mean like as people. I think we have this
Speaker 2: with our friends. There's just people you have a chemistry with.
Speaker 2: I would say that we started with a lot of chemistry,
Speaker 2: which I do think is important and it's that intangible, right,
Speaker 2: So start there. Then you have one thing both Laird
Speaker 2: and I do, and we've done more as we've gotten older,
Speaker 2: is I'm only in charge of myself and how I
Speaker 2: want to come into this relationship. And so like, for example,
Speaker 2: let's say Laird was in a not be deciding to
Speaker 2: be nice, which isn't usually often, but he's an intense person. Whatever.
Speaker 2: I always say that if he's making that choice, I
Speaker 2: don't go, well, if you're acting like that, go down.
Speaker 2: It's like, I'm living by my code, which is I'm
Speaker 2: here to be nice and kind to you and make
Speaker 2: your life better. And what I find is that when
Speaker 2: we stick to that and Laird does that himself, that
Speaker 2: it's like everybody gets forced to the high bar. Right,
Speaker 2: Nobody's like, well, don't talk to me like that. And
Speaker 2: the other thing that is is the truth of it is,
Speaker 2: is both of us have enough kind We're both just
Speaker 2: sort of intense enough, heavy duty enough that there's this
Speaker 2: weird checks and balance all the time where Laard's like,
Speaker 2: I'm operating here and I'm going to show up and
Speaker 2: that makes me go, shit, I got to operate up
Speaker 2: here because I got a partner that's showing up every
Speaker 2: single day doing their best. So I always encourage people like, listen,
Speaker 2: it's on you. And if your partner after a while
Speaker 2: decides that they don't want to step up, there's nothing
Speaker 2: you can do about that.
Speaker 1: Right, you're playing tennis with a better tennis player. And
Speaker 1: it's really funny that you said that because I always
Speaker 1: tell Paul, my fiance, the relationship advice if I like
Speaker 1: it that people have said and everybody says something totally different.
Speaker 1: One person said something in a different way, and it
Speaker 1: was Paul. One of Paul's favorite things, which was which
Speaker 1: is effectively what you just said. It's just a different way.
Speaker 1: He said, I don't work on you. I work on myself.
Speaker 1: I don't work on her. And that's great. There's no you.
Speaker 1: You did this you, it's me. And it's funny because
Speaker 1: I was bickering with my daughter a little where you know,
Speaker 1: they nag you three times, then you snap, Then you
Speaker 1: feel bad you snapped. Then you're wrong even though they
Speaker 1: were wrong, you know. And I was talking to a
Speaker 1: therapist and he said basically the Michelle Obama quote, which
Speaker 1: effectively is what you were just saying, Like if someone
Speaker 1: goes low, you go high, I meaning if she gets
Speaker 1: escalated escalated, I just stay here instead of taking it
Speaker 1: to the next level. And I thought that was great.
Speaker 1: And and my fiance always says wants and needs, like
Speaker 1: there are wants, there are things that I want that
Speaker 1: I would desire and would love, but my needs these
Speaker 1: are the deal. But these are the things that this
Speaker 1: is the line. And that is kind of great because
Speaker 1: you may have not been working on them. You're working
Speaker 1: on yourself. But there are things, yes, and that's that's
Speaker 1: that's that's the line.
Speaker 2: And it's a small that part is a small.
Speaker 1: List, right, like yeah, can't be big and you there.
Speaker 2: That also gives you the power to let so many
Speaker 2: things go, just like, Okay, I'm sure for larr like
Speaker 2: I'm in my head a lot, like I'm very analytical
Speaker 2: and he's very heart centered. So he's like all out
Speaker 2: there with his feelings and sometimes I'm like, oh, he
Speaker 2: talks louder and I'm sure he's like this chick's always
Speaker 2: in her head like where is she? So I think,
Speaker 2: but we can let those things go because the five
Speaker 2: things that have to that are set like whatever, honesty,
Speaker 2: blah blah blah whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, loyal whatever it is. Yes, I agree.
Speaker 2: There, And that's also part of being a grown up
Speaker 2: because if you think someone's going to show up, it's
Speaker 2: like my friend was saying, oh, you know, my husband,
Speaker 2: he's talking about this stuff and I don't even care
Speaker 2: about it, and I go, you care about You're interested
Speaker 2: in him, So you're interested in what he's talking about.
Speaker 2: And by the way, he's not interested in everything you're
Speaker 2: talking about either and she was used to her. I'm like, yes,
Speaker 2: like what you know, this is? This is we just
Speaker 2: let it go, like, don't worry, it's not a big deal.
Speaker 2: It's not. And that's why it's important though, to be
Speaker 2: productive and have things you're interested in so that you
Speaker 2: don't focus on your partner filling those needs. That's us
Speaker 2: to do wherever it is. And I think a certain
Speaker 2: amount of delivery of boundaries right, like I'm not a
Speaker 2: big Oh you better not do that and freak out.
Speaker 2: I'll just put my hand on Laired' shoulder. I think
Speaker 2: he's kind of being not cool and just be like
Speaker 2: try to remember like I'm on your team and I walk.
Speaker 1: Away your Paul in my relationship, I'm Laired your Paul.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's just why do I set the boundary?
Speaker 1: Yeah, here to make a.
Speaker 2: Big drama, but I also will stand up for myself like, hey,
Speaker 2: you know what, like I don't know what's going on,
Speaker 2: but you can figure it out. I'm here if you
Speaker 2: want to talk about it.
Speaker 1: But oh my god, that's so fun. I'm literally you
Speaker 1: and I would be a great lesbian couple because your
Speaker 1: Paul in my relationship, like that's exactly Paul. He's like,
Speaker 1: I know that's not great, and I don't love the
Speaker 1: way that feels and the way that makes me feel.
Speaker 1: So like we're getting to a point now and then
Speaker 1: I'll just get checked and like the caller has been snapped,
Speaker 1: but nothing really happened. There's not an argument.
Speaker 3: It's just like okay, no, And it's really I think couples,
Speaker 3: if you can find that that language with each other,
Speaker 3: I think it really helps avoid a lot.
Speaker 2: And by the way, I never I think the other
Speaker 2: thing that's helpful is it's about let's resolve it. I'm
Speaker 2: not interested in getting into a hassle. It's like I
Speaker 2: think sometimes people have extra energy, and so.
Speaker 1: They're like, I I know that's great about getting older.
Speaker 1: Arguing seems like such, you do shrapnel. It literally does damage.
Speaker 1: So like, let's just not take the car that hot,
Speaker 1: like we don't need to. That's so true.
Speaker 2: People have energy, yes, find something, exercise, do something, put
Speaker 2: it because we all have it. It's natural totally. Just
Speaker 2: let's direct it to something that's going to actually give
Speaker 2: us something positive back.
Speaker 1: Not very interesting, my therapist said. People when they get together,
Speaker 1: their expectations get together. But as you get older, like
Speaker 1: your expectations get married or get engaged or whatever it is.
Speaker 1: As you get older, it's the realities that you have
Speaker 1: to deal with, Like, this is the reality, not the
Speaker 1: We're gonna be together and be best friends forever and
Speaker 1: we're gonna order the same food and we like the
Speaker 1: same things, and you like to go golf and I'm
Speaker 1: going to watch you and go and I care about
Speaker 1: sports on Sunday and wings and all the bullshit that
Speaker 1: shakes down after reality sets in and then like the
Speaker 1: relate realities have to you know, be partners as you are.
Speaker 1: But that's so inspiring. Wow, Okay, so what else are
Speaker 1: you working on? Entertainment? One's like do you have to do?
Speaker 1: How do you be the talent and you're being the
Speaker 1: CEO and you have to promote all these things that
Speaker 1: you're doing or are you're not feeling the pressure.
Speaker 3: To do that.
Speaker 2: I I'm always you know, I'm Jim Quick, the guy
Speaker 2: who helps you learn to read quicker and he's no
Speaker 2: pun intended. He said that we all have like a
Speaker 2: question in our mind that we're asking all the time,
Speaker 2: like when we're in situations and what my question? He goes,
Speaker 2: you know what your questions are. I go, oh, I
Speaker 2: know what my question is. My question is always what's
Speaker 2: the point? And how what's the right thing like to do?
Speaker 2: Write those two quess in that order. So I generally,
Speaker 2: you know, I always say, sometimes you're the farmer and
Speaker 2: the flower. It's like, sometimes you have to go out there.
Speaker 2: I do. You know, I have a podcast because you know,
Speaker 2: one of the things I did, even when I was
Speaker 2: playing volleyball, and that's actually how I met layers. I
Speaker 2: interviewed people because I always liked the being on the
Speaker 2: other side and learning and showcasing other people, and so
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed that aspect of it. But as far as,
Speaker 2: like you know, going out there and promoting myself and
Speaker 2: doing all of that, it's like, only when it's necessary, right,
Speaker 2: I get it. I do get it, because you know,
Speaker 2: this is very harsh, But there's a part of me
Speaker 2: that when you learn when you're younger, it's like when
Speaker 2: people say, oh, this will be good exposure, Okay, well
Speaker 2: that means nothing and also cool, but if this is
Speaker 2: your work, how do you monetize that exposure? So exactly,
Speaker 2: so for me, I'm like exposure for what so people
Speaker 2: oh yeah, don't know you.
Speaker 1: Thank you for relevance. No, you're gonna monetize. You're gonna
Speaker 1: go and you're gonna implement and integrate layered super food.
Speaker 1: You're right there, you'll hold a volleyball like it was yesterday.
Speaker 1: But just to sit down and be more famous and relevant.
Speaker 1: Ain't nobody got time for that.
Speaker 2: No, So it's just it's still came that fire enough,
Speaker 2: so those opportunities are there and then okay, we've got
Speaker 2: this project. We're going to go a little more gas
Speaker 2: on that fire. But for me, it's it's and it's
Speaker 2: also really an important thing to have a healthy relationship
Speaker 2: with because it's unsustainable and so rather than being like ooh,
Speaker 2: I've always tried to actually have distance from that, and
Speaker 2: it actually helps to be with a person who when
Speaker 2: I met Laired in the mainstream, I was more known,
Speaker 2: and certainly Laird has become more known and that's been
Speaker 2: really healthy because it's like a total in house check
Speaker 2: and see if like what that game.
Speaker 1: Is and right, you're still experiencing it because whether it's
Speaker 1: him or you, you're that beast is in your house
Speaker 1: and I fully get it.
Speaker 2: You're also getting like checked. It's like Oh yeah, no,
Speaker 2: you go, I'm here to support you, like rock on,
Speaker 2: you know. So it's like a weird thing where you
Speaker 2: can stick in and out of it. And that's why
Speaker 2: I like making content or making things, because I get
Speaker 2: satisfaction by that even more than like, look at me.
Speaker 1: It's like it's the cake and the frosting. You're back
Speaker 1: to the cake and the frosting.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I want my friends and family to love me and
Speaker 2: be excited about me. And it's not to say, and
Speaker 2: you've experienced this when you go someplace and people go, hey,
Speaker 2: I really appreciated this or that. That feels good. Of course,
Speaker 2: of course it does. But I just think it's about
Speaker 2: having a healthy relationship with it. And you know, I
Speaker 2: want to say one other thing too about relationships. One
Speaker 2: thing that is also really helpful is when you can
Speaker 2: find the ways to have distance from your partner, to
Speaker 2: look at them and to feel grateful or sort of
Speaker 2: appreciate those traits about that person, because it's so easy
Speaker 2: for it to all kind of land on top of
Speaker 2: you and you don't know what's cool or sexy about
Speaker 2: them anymore. But one thing is sometimes if they can
Speaker 2: keep that space a little and be like, Wow, I
Speaker 2: feel really fortunate because that vibrates back to them and
Speaker 2: then they feel like, Wow, this person is actually excited
Speaker 2: or interested to be with me, and I think that
Speaker 2: gets a really good positive feedback loop. So I just
Speaker 2: wanted to say that too.
Speaker 1: I love that you said that too. I feel like
Speaker 1: we have these like weird colliding elements that I would
Speaker 1: never predicted because I'm in a long distance relationship. In
Speaker 1: the beginning, I'm used to being the twenty five year
Speaker 1: old that just thought we're going to be one person
Speaker 1: and have a ride into the sunset, and I've failed
Speaker 1: so many times. So to be in a relationship it's
Speaker 1: long distance, which was always challenging because the hell are
Speaker 1: we talking about? And if you like the way you
Speaker 1: were talking before about curating your own version of relevance
Speaker 1: and fame, the way that it works for you, if
Speaker 1: you really lean into the fact that you're saying, I
Speaker 1: get quality time with my daughter, I get quality time
Speaker 1: with my partner, quality time alone, and then all of
Speaker 1: us together, and then get to be alone by myself,
Speaker 1: which is even making I've been making a bigger priority
Speaker 1: because there was no myself. There was my daughter, my work,
Speaker 1: my partner, there was no me. But all of that
Speaker 1: makes you so excited to do all those things. Meaning,
Speaker 1: Paul will be here tomorrow after I have a photoshoot,
Speaker 1: and I'm excited to go on a date. But if
Speaker 1: we were together every single day, it'd be we'd be
Speaker 1: sick of each other's bullshit. Possibly like so, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: liking this new relationship with the distance we both are.
Speaker 1: It took growth because you're used to the images of
Speaker 1: what a relationship is supposed to be versus not the
Speaker 1: expectations what it actually is. That's why I've said that before.
Speaker 1: It's interesting, So that's another grade. No, you're very good
Speaker 1: at conversation, so you must be very good at your podcast.
Speaker 1: What is it called and where does it live?
Speaker 2: It's very original. It's called The Gabby Reese Show, and
Speaker 2: you know everywhere that podcasts are, and you know this
Speaker 2: is also being very These are the things that I am.
Speaker 2: I'm not a control freak, but the things I'm sticky
Speaker 2: on is how am I depicting things? And so I
Speaker 2: do talk about very high level scientific things, mental health things,
Speaker 2: all of these things, and high performance, but I try
Speaker 2: to do it at a third grade level because I do, like,
Speaker 2: you know, sort of sharp end of the stick information
Speaker 2: and I try to live a high performance life. But
Speaker 2: my thing is people who do that, they're already covered.
Speaker 2: How do we get all that information?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, for people that they don't have time to figure
Speaker 2: this out and sort of you know, break it down
Speaker 2: for them. And I really also enjoy the learning myself
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 1: My friend told me about this website that maybe, you know,
Speaker 1: I have to look it up and maybe I'll get
Speaker 1: you after. But it's something online where you're basically doing
Speaker 1: that Mayo clinic of it all online. Do you know
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about? Like you send in your blood
Speaker 1: and everything and then you go on this journey and
Speaker 1: she's doing with her husband and she says it's amazing
Speaker 1: and different supplements and they both have obviously totally Maybe is.
Speaker 2: It inside Tracker? Yes, yeah, they do an excellent They
Speaker 2: do an excellent job because also you can go deeper, deeper, deeper.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go do that. Excellent, got it? Okay,
Speaker 1: Well this was incredible. If there's anything you wanted to oh,
Speaker 1: just your rose and thorn of your career, just your
Speaker 1: rose and thorn.
Speaker 2: Oh jeez, that's interesting. I don't know. I think the
Speaker 2: rose is the opportunity to keep doing new things. Quite frankly,
Speaker 2: the fact that you can have a job that you like,
Speaker 2: that you wanted to do that for me, I'm never unclear,
Speaker 2: is a real gift, you know this, And then I
Speaker 2: think thorn is just I've had it. I just want
Speaker 2: people lie to me or steal for me. That's never
Speaker 2: something that feels good, you know. As far as wins
Speaker 2: and losses on courts, courts, that's not really you know,
Speaker 2: that's just part.
Speaker 1: Of it, right, got it? Yeah, Well you're very interesting
Speaker 1: and very deep. It was an amazing conversation. I'm so grateful,
Speaker 1: so thank you so much. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2: And continued success and everything you're doing.
Speaker 1: Likewise, you too, Aloha. I feel like a broken record,
Speaker 1: and I apologize if I am. Just when you have
Speaker 1: someone come on, you have nothing, You don't know anything
Speaker 1: about them. You know that she's tall, beautiful, a volleyball player,
Speaker 1: a model. You know, you just never know what to expect.
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how amazing that conversation was. It
Speaker 1: was enriching, it was educational, it was inspiring, it was
Speaker 1: so great, so great. That was incredible. I'm just like,
Speaker 1: really really excited. That was a great, great discussion. What
Speaker 1: a cool woman, what a down to earth person. Wow.
Speaker 1: I didn't even get to talk to her about her kids.
Speaker 1: I talked a little bit about Laird. He's amazing too.
Speaker 1: Just God, I want to get to know her more.
Speaker 1: That was fantastic, So thank you for listening. I hope
Speaker 1: you loved it as much as I did. Rate, review,
Speaker 1: and subscribe. We keep rocking on. I'm so excited and
Speaker 1: have a wonderful day.