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Speaker 1: Why are group proposals in why are marriage proposals now

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Speaker 1: individual reality shows? So a friend of mine showed me

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Speaker 1: her friend's child who got engaged. But it's like it's

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Speaker 1: effectively you're coming with your own camera crew. So there's

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Speaker 1: hashtags for couples now they're hashtags like this is their brand.

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Speaker 1: So their brand, it's literally not reality show. Well, yes,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna promote our brand. We're gonna promote our brand

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Speaker 1: and integrated into this reality show. What reality show? Oh no,

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Speaker 1: I'm getting engaged. But my fiance has talked to the

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Speaker 1: producers aka my parents, and the segment producers aka the

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Speaker 1: rest of the family and my siblings and friends, and

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Speaker 1: they're all gonna get together and they're gonna get a

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Speaker 1: location scout because there's gonna need to be a location

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Speaker 1: and we're producing our own reality show. It's called the Proposal.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean, Well, what it means is my

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Speaker 1: with a video camera and a still photographer and then

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna come in when cued and maybe we're miked.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but they might just get it on

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Speaker 1: my fiance is going to read his lines and get

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Speaker 1: his knees with the right angle so the producers aka

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Speaker 1: the parents and family can get the shots. But then

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Speaker 1: we're gonna create a hashtag and we're gonna build our brand.

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Speaker 1: What's your brand? Oh, Jeremy Allison. For God's sakes, we're

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Speaker 1: Jeremy Allison Freedom Weekend. Oh, because that's coming up. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna brand it because we're promoting it. We're doing a

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Speaker 1: press stour. What's the press Well, we're planning for the wedding,

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Speaker 1: and so the press store is going to be the

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Speaker 1: just gonna get the word out about Jeremy and Allison's

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Speaker 1: Freedom Weekend, and then it's gonna air on the wedding

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Speaker 1: day and then we're gonna do a whole other reality

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Speaker 1: show when we have the baby. So it sounds like

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Speaker 1: Bethany getting married and Bethany ever after, only it doesn't

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Speaker 1: feel like they're making as much money. So, but what's

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Speaker 1: going on now is group of proposals. And for the record,

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Speaker 1: awkward for me and for the person I'm in a

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Speaker 1: to ever be on camera, but like to propose and

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Speaker 1: share such a moment I Peete on the stick, and

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Speaker 1: that was I will never forget that, and I will

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Speaker 1: always on some level regret It's the only contrived thing

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Speaker 1: But I feel like, if you're not actually on a

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Speaker 1: reality show with cameras following you, you don't need to

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, it just seems a little odd and

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Speaker 1: you know, I guess I'm just a hater. What do

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Speaker 1: it didn't happen. It used to be if a tree fella,

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Speaker 1: now to if a moment happened and it wasn't documented,

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Speaker 1: then it didn't happen. My guest today is Gabby Reese.

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Speaker 1: She is a legendary volleyball player, model, and TV host.

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Speaker 1: She is also Nike's very first female spokeswoman and shoe designer.

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Speaker 1: In addition to her past and sports, she along with

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Speaker 1: I'm inspired by her journey as not only a businesswoman

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Speaker 1: Their television personality and fellow podcast host, Gabby Reese knows

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Speaker 1: how to do it all. Enjoy. I'm so excited to

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Speaker 1: meet you. I've been aware of you for a really,

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Speaker 1: And then when I'm about to interview someone, I think

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Speaker 1: But what did you mean when you said put my

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Speaker 2: No, I think when you grew up on an island,

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Speaker 1: very parallel to business in my opinion, It's can be

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Speaker 1: But also those storms, surviving them and learning from them

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Speaker 1: Right, And I feel that it's like case law, literally,

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Speaker 1: You've been, You've been through the other side. I mean

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Speaker 1: you're not, you know, not all the way. You don't

430
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Speaker 1: know everything, but you've been through it. So and it

431
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Speaker 1: happens to me every day that I'm in weeds that

432
00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,639
Speaker 1: I absolutely should not be in. I talk about it.

433
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,760
Speaker 1: My whole book, Businesses Personal is about this. I'm in

434
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:40,600
Speaker 1: weeds I should not be in every day, and getting

435
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,160
Speaker 1: out of them is endless. It's like it's like killing

436
00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,000
Speaker 1: every roach in Manhattan. It just won't happen. But I'm

437
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:51,880
Speaker 1: better served being delegating, organizing, executing, being the connector communicator.

438
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 1: And I'm sure you are as well, having been through

439
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:55,840
Speaker 1: so much, but there's.

440
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,840
Speaker 2: Always new things to learn. So it's like, in a way,

441
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,359
Speaker 2: it's like the willingness to be in the keep being

442
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 2: in different weeds that feed the purpose so that we

443
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 2: can keep you know, then we're sort of understanding. I

444
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:09,359
Speaker 2: love the quote, you know we don't live in the

445
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,119
Speaker 2: world we were born into. It's like, then, at least

446
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,159
Speaker 2: we're not out of completely out.

447
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 1: Of Yes, that's true too. Yeah, it's like this, that's.

448
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 2: Part of like, you know, where do I use my

449
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 2: time best? But also, hey, I'll stay a student and

450
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,720
Speaker 2: open minded and flexible so I can also live in

451
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Speaker 2: the in the world.

452
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Speaker 1: That's now, So you're a business part you have two

453
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 1: businesses you just mentioned. They're both obviously very on brand

454
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 1: because they're about health and fitness. So you and your husband,

455
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,919
Speaker 1: who I realize now that your partners with, have stayed

456
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,879
Speaker 1: true to the core. So if someone says what do

457
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Speaker 1: you do, you say, I guess you say, I was

458
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 1: a model professional volleyball player, and I have two businesses

459
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 1: and these business and a partners and my husband.

460
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if someone says what do you do?

461
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 2: I think you know, I've learned this a long time.

462
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 2: When you talk about identity, even Laird talks about this.

463
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 2: I'm laired and one of the things I do is surf,

464
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 2: not I'm a surfer right, Because I also think that

465
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 2: objectivity is very empowering. So I think when people say, hey,

466
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 2: what do you do, I say, hey, I used okay,

467
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,639
Speaker 2: I used to be a professional athlete, and I have,

468
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 2: you know, a few businesses. I'm an entrepreneur and other

469
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 2: jobs I have is I'm a parent and I'm a

470
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 2: wife and other things. But I actually try to create

471
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Speaker 2: distance a little bit so that wherever I am that

472
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Speaker 2: just being like me, Gabby is sort of feels enough.

473
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Speaker 1: Like a person and without having that all be your identity.

474
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's that's really a that thing can kick.

475
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 2: That can really I think kick your butt.

476
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Speaker 1: It's like being a child star.

477
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're like, and you need to tell everybody, like,

478
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:56,919
Speaker 2: oh I do this, I do that. Sometimes I just

479
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 2: show up and I'm like, Hi, I'm Gabby, and like

480
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 2: can have that discovery if it's natural and right, that's great.

481
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 1: Well, right, I'm a housewive. I was on the Real Housewives.

482
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 1: So it's my whole the rest of my life. It's

483
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 1: all I've ever done in my life. So your partners

484
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 1: with your husband in both businesses, so you're a business

485
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 1: person and what percentage? First of all, what's harder being

486
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 1: a professional athlete or being an entrepreneur?

487
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Speaker 2: You know, that's interesting, I think obviously for different reasons,

488
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 2: there's something really straightforward about athletics that is not the case.

489
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Speaker 2: And like, if I work a little harder, usually in sport,

490
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 2: I could get a little better and make gains. And

491
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Speaker 2: you know, it's not personal. The person across the net

492
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,199
Speaker 2: is either better than you that day or they're not.

493
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Speaker 2: I think in business there's so many nuances and personalities.

494
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,120
Speaker 2: And again we talked about the good luck and good timing,

495
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 2: so I think business and also it's a big learning curve.

496
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 2: So you know, with our food company, I mean, like

497
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Speaker 2: I said, we, I mean that company went public in

498
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 2: September of twenty so we have real grown ups in

499
00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 2: that business. You know, you're still we're highly involved, but

500
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 2: also now you have like real support, real CFOs, real

501
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 2: CEOs versus. When we started, it was three of us

502
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 2: and you're just kind of dancing around doing hustling.

503
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Speaker 1: Well wait, so it's late and I've seen the distribution.

504
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 1: You have good distribution. And I did not even know

505
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 1: that it was you. I thought it for a second. Yeah,

506
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 1: but I said, oh, like I thought and threw it

507
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 1: away because it's Apple. The computer and the fruit don't

508
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 1: have to be the same thing, so I thought it.

509
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: But it is on brand now that I think of it.

510
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 1: I saw it in the Whole Foods. Yeah, and it's

511
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Speaker 1: what the like the superfood creamers and things like that, right.

512
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a vegan creamer and there's other products as well.

513
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 2: But you know, even that like having meetings with food

514
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 2: scientists and talking about ingredients and there's things like this

515
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 2: in food, which is fascinating. You can put so little

516
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 2: of something into something that you don't even have to

517
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Speaker 2: put it on label.

518
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Speaker 1: Ah yeah, I know.

519
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,239
Speaker 2: It's literally having these conversations like no, we don't do that,

520
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 2: and it makes everything harder. Yes, So it's it's been

521
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 2: a learning on so many loves, you know, like what's

522
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 2: the tokall for all? Okay? You know it's like really

523
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 2: getting into it and saying what hill will I die on?

524
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 2: And then when you let and then parts of the

525
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 2: business that you go, no, you guys, do what you

526
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Speaker 2: want with that part of the business. The only thing

527
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 2: that we're the gatekeeper of is ingredients and also the

528
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 2: sort of attitude or marketing tone of the business culture.

529
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, well but the ingredients are very hard. I've been

530
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 1: through that, because it's cute to make something in your kitchen,

531
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 1: but then to keep it shelf stable and get distribution

532
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: and you know, compete, and then people wonder why you

533
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 1: have certain things and things and you're just like, because

534
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:33,959
Speaker 1: you can't hate the player, hate the game, and I

535
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 1: can't sell this on a farm stand. Yeah, and scale it.

536
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: So that's challenging. And for you who's a real health person,

537
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 1: that must be challenging.

538
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 2: You just don't make certain things, that's the thing.

539
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't.

540
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 2: We treat we're on a big platform that we're acting

541
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 2: like is a farm stand. And that's yeah, those are

542
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 2: some of our guardrails. And that's just the way it is.

543
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 1: I like it. So how much of it do you own?

544
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 1: You will have to say these things.

545
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 2: So it's public, Oh, I believe we are top four

546
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Speaker 2: or five owner.

547
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: You can say you feel like it's a big success.

548
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 2: You know what's interesting is the sale. Year over year,

549
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,199
Speaker 2: sales increase forty five percent. We're getting our ass handed

550
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 2: to us right now on the stock market. I think,

551
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 2: like a lot of companies, Okay, you know these are challenging,

552
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 2: but our sales are up. We were vertically integrated at

553
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 2: two and a half years in before we went public,

554
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 2: we had our own factory. Our co founder, who is

555
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 2: our CEO, was very smart, so we had a factory

556
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 2: pretty early. So there's certain things that because of the

557
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 2: co founder with us that we made good decisions being

558
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 2: vertically integrated. But listen, it's it's not easy. It's like

559
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 2: you have six employees, then you have one hundred and

560
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 2: twenty employees, and then you know, dealing with we only

561
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 2: co pack one type of propit. We don't do liquid

562
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 2: in our factory, so just even that like getting delayed

563
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 2: and you know cold chain and all that. So it's again,

564
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 2: the business is doing very very well. Sixty percent of

565
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 2: our business is online and sixty percent of that business

566
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 2: is direct with us, So there's subscicion models, there's all

567
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 2: that stuff. So there's a really great things. But you know,

568
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 2: it's uncomfortable to be a small, publicly traded business at times.

569
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: Ah, And do you regret doing that or not at all?

570
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,479
Speaker 1: Like is that was it a great decision? Was the

571
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 1: only decision? Was it a Sophie's choice? Like what about

572
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: that decision? That business decision? Because I hear mixed about

573
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: it all the time and you have to let go

574
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: and some of you're too emotional about things. So I'm

575
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: just wondering about that decision.

576
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 2: You know, I think because we put the guardrails in

577
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:37,199
Speaker 2: about the products themselves, the ingredients for real. That it

578
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 2: gives me great comfort because otherwise, you know, now you

579
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 2: have a board and everyone's talking about margins and all

580
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 2: these things. So I think that the fact that that's

581
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 2: very well protected. But there's the pros and cons of both.

582
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 2: For sure, I'm not going to be as like sometimes

583
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 2: you know, you do it and I show some validity

584
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 2: about your business and you know how you operate. But

585
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 2: then there's times you're like, I wish we were private,

586
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 2: that we could just pivot, you know, and it just

587
00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:58,959
Speaker 2: doesn't work like that.

588
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: Right, it does work like that, And it sounds like

589
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: your knee deep in it though, like you're full on

590
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: in it. It takes a lot, right, it seems insane,

591
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: Like I don't think I could I have such a

592
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: crazy business and it has I have like thirty categories

593
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: and I'm in it, but I don't know if I

594
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: if that would be for me per se, I'm not sure,

595
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: Like dealing with so many voices in the room and

596
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: so many cooks in the kitchen and what how do

597
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: you so you're have so many questions. So you and

598
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: your husband are partners, and you've made the choice in

599
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: your life to be life partners and business partners so

600
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: what like and all your businesses. It's not like you're

601
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: just in one cute thing that you did together, one

602
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: little real estate flip. Like you're knee deep invested in

603
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: this partnership not relationship. That's different. But how is that that?

604
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 1: I'm not being cliche about it, like I really want

605
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: to know what the hell that is.

606
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 2: Well, it's been twenty you know, twenty six years I've

607
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 2: been with Laird, and I think what it was is

608
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 2: that we have different strengths, and again out of necessity

609
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 2: because we were on these small platforms, there were certain

610
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 2: things like in the beginning of his for example, it's

611
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 2: like nobody knows what you're doing out there, so we

612
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 2: have to tell stories about that so people can actually

613
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 2: even see what you're doing. So I think it's like

614
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 2: a progression of well, let's tell that story because people

615
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 2: can't buy a ticket and go watch it.

616
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: So okay, And that was you. You were helping him with that.

617
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: You were sort of the producer while he was the talent.

618
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I had to do that with my work.

619
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 2: You know, like I'm younger than him, but in that way,

620
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 2: I was a little bit older. By the way, is

621
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 2: a hundred times better at his sport than I ever

622
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 2: was at my sport.

623
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: But that's a different story. He's an animal. I mean

624
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: I watched riding giants. I said, I think I always say,

625
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: which is crazy. I met him and I don't know

626
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: if you were there in montak one time at the surflage,

627
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 1: uh huh. I always say he has to be the

628
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: greatest athlete of all time. And my reasoning is, you're

629
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: in a race car, you're in a car, you're you know,

630
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: you're you're on the ski mountain. Yes, there could be

631
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: an avalanche, but the snow is standing still. The ocean

632
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: could just decide what it's doing. There could be a

633
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: shark or a thing or whatever, Like the ocean is

634
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: a wild beast of an ana animal. It's crazy. And

635
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: I know that that guy said he had a third testicle,

636
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: but that's just like trite and funny, but like, holy shit,

637
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: that's crazy. So I guess maybe you're right. I mean,

638
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: you're an amazing athlete, but only because he's an animal

639
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: in the wild like that. That's just crazy. It's not controlled.

640
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: So maybe you're right.

641
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 2: Yes, And also he's you know, this is a person

642
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 2: who's skill set has met their destiny right. And also

643
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 2: there's other athletes like Laird that take on these things

644
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 2: and the elements that are are very challenging. But I

645
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 2: always thought we could help each other. I could help

646
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 2: him because in a way, when someone is on a

647
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 2: mission and it's like so pure, that part of me

648
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 2: was like, I can get behind that.

649
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: His mission was so pure you're saying.

650
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's dedicated that. I was like I could

651
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 2: totally get behind that. And Laird is a very present person.

652
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 2: So as a husband and as a father, he's wow.

653
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,959
Speaker 2: As intense as he is about the ocean, he directs

654
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 2: that energy and it feels good, like you don't even

655
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 2: know of it. You're like, okay, cool, like why not,

656
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 2: We're good, you know, and so and it just was

657
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 2: a natural flow, like he's good. He's very creative, like

658
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 2: he's very good at certain things that it's we're different.

659
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 2: So I think we just naturally fell into really different

660
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 2: roles and you know, sort of details land on my

661
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 2: side and sort of the bigger thing and layered is

662
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,719
Speaker 2: the genuine motor of like I like this. I've been

663
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 2: drinking this for two years. It seems to work good

664
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 2: for me. And then all the time. It's very literal

665
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 2: and really creative. So I think we're really fortunate. We

666
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 2: just have to be careful to not let everything bleed over.

667
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 2: Everything like laying in your bed with your pet on

668
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 2: your talking about bullshit.

669
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: Well yeah you know, Yeah, that's structure. That's like discipline too,

670
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: But you have that because you know how to be disciplined.

671
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: Both of you do, but sometimes we don't. Yeah no,

672
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: because it's well, when there's a crisis, you got to

673
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: deal with it. It's great that you too have the

674
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: entirely different skill sets use each other. You could be

675
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: a great partnership and a team. And that's I guess.

676
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,479
Speaker 1: You have to find people around you that are really

677
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: good at different things, so that makes sense.

678
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 2: And values and values. I think the thing is that

679
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 2: your values are always lined up, yes, even if you

680
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 2: arrive different. Yes, And how you want to treat people,

681
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 2: how you view money, how you view your health, whatever

682
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 2: it is. I think the success comes when you go, hey, listen,

683
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 2: you're totally different than me, and your strengths are different,

684
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 2: but our values are similar enough that in there we're

685
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 2: really we're really locked in.

686
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: Well. I think people get so enticed by hiring talented people,

687
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: smart people, charismatic people, charming people or working with and

688
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: it's impossible to you can't. There's no price on loyalty

689
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: and hard work and a person being a good person,

690
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: you know like that, you just know that they're maybe

691
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: as good coming in, you know, as if they decided

692
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: to move on, and that's a big deal. So I

693
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: think that that's good in partnership too.

694
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 2: And representation. I think people have to be careful when

695
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 2: you talk about, you know, corporate culture. Everyone is representing

696
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 2: you know, if it's your business, you and so who's

697
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 2: out there interfacing with the world on your behalf. So

698
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 2: I think that that's where the value thing is important.

699
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: Sports versus business. It sounds like the discipline and the

700
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: ladder of sports is almost like it's almost like a

701
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 1: physical and emotional corporate ladder. Like you know, the road

702
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: for the most part, go to or go to school,

703
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: go to law school, go to word. What you guys

704
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: are doing with being entrepreneurs, you really have to navigate.

705
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: It's more like surfing. I really do think it's a

706
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: lot like surfing because you have to hit it when

707
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: it's hot, calm down and sit back when it's not

708
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: and just wait, and that's and it's very interesting and invigorating.

709
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: What about just having a successful relationship, meaning I'm sure

710
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: it's not perfect, but it's lasted decade, So that's by

711
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: my definition successful. It's a partnership that has lasted decades.

712
00:34:55,040 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: So what are your greatest takeaways from that, things that

713
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: you really grab onto when the shit hits the fan.

714
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 2: It's in a way very simple in a way. Well,

715
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 2: first of all, I would like to say I think

716
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 2: it started with a lot of chemistry. And I don't

717
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 2: mean like, oh you know, I don't mean just sexual chemistry.

718
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 2: I mean like as people. I think we have this

719
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 2: with our friends. There's just people you have a chemistry with.

720
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 2: I would say that we started with a lot of chemistry,

721
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,479
Speaker 2: which I do think is important and it's that intangible, right,

722
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 2: So start there. Then you have one thing both Laird

723
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 2: and I do, and we've done more as we've gotten older,

724
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 2: is I'm only in charge of myself and how I

725
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 2: want to come into this relationship. And so like, for example,

726
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 2: let's say Laird was in a not be deciding to

727
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 2: be nice, which isn't usually often, but he's an intense person. Whatever.

728
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 2: I always say that if he's making that choice, I

729
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 2: don't go, well, if you're acting like that, go down.

730
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 2: It's like, I'm living by my code, which is I'm

731
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 2: here to be nice and kind to you and make

732
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 2: your life better. And what I find is that when

733
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 2: we stick to that and Laird does that himself, that

734
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 2: it's like everybody gets forced to the high bar. Right,

735
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 2: Nobody's like, well, don't talk to me like that. And

736
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 2: the other thing that is is the truth of it is,

737
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 2: is both of us have enough kind We're both just

738
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 2: sort of intense enough, heavy duty enough that there's this

739
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 2: weird checks and balance all the time where Laard's like,

740
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 2: I'm operating here and I'm going to show up and

741
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 2: that makes me go, shit, I got to operate up

742
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 2: here because I got a partner that's showing up every

743
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 2: single day doing their best. So I always encourage people like, listen,

744
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 2: it's on you. And if your partner after a while

745
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 2: decides that they don't want to step up, there's nothing

746
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 2: you can do about that.

747
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: Right, you're playing tennis with a better tennis player. And

748
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: it's really funny that you said that because I always

749
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: tell Paul, my fiance, the relationship advice if I like

750
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: it that people have said and everybody says something totally different.

751
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 1: One person said something in a different way, and it

752
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:01,439
Speaker 1: was Paul. One of Paul's favorite things, which was which

753
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: is effectively what you just said. It's just a different way.

754
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: He said, I don't work on you. I work on myself.

755
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: I don't work on her. And that's great. There's no you.

756
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: You did this you, it's me. And it's funny because

757
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: I was bickering with my daughter a little where you know,

758
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: they nag you three times, then you snap, Then you

759
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: feel bad you snapped. Then you're wrong even though they

760
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: were wrong, you know. And I was talking to a

761
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: therapist and he said basically the Michelle Obama quote, which

762
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 1: effectively is what you were just saying, Like if someone

763
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: goes low, you go high, I meaning if she gets

764
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 1: escalated escalated, I just stay here instead of taking it

765
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: to the next level. And I thought that was great.

766
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: And and my fiance always says wants and needs, like

767
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: there are wants, there are things that I want that

768
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 1: I would desire and would love, but my needs these

769
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 1: are the deal. But these are the things that this

770
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: is the line. And that is kind of great because

771
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: you may have not been working on them. You're working

772
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: on yourself. But there are things, yes, and that's that's

773
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: that's that's the line.

774
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 2: And it's a small that part is a small.

775
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: List, right, like yeah, can't be big and you there.

776
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 2: That also gives you the power to let so many

777
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 2: things go, just like, Okay, I'm sure for larr like

778
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 2: I'm in my head a lot, like I'm very analytical

779
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 2: and he's very heart centered. So he's like all out

780
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 2: there with his feelings and sometimes I'm like, oh, he

781
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 2: talks louder and I'm sure he's like this chick's always

782
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 2: in her head like where is she? So I think,

783
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 2: but we can let those things go because the five

784
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 2: things that have to that are set like whatever, honesty,

785
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 2: blah blah blah whatever.

786
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, loyal whatever it is. Yes, I agree.

787
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 2: There, And that's also part of being a grown up

788
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 2: because if you think someone's going to show up, it's

789
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,720
Speaker 2: like my friend was saying, oh, you know, my husband,

790
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 2: he's talking about this stuff and I don't even care

791
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 2: about it, and I go, you care about You're interested

792
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 2: in him, So you're interested in what he's talking about.

793
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 2: And by the way, he's not interested in everything you're

794
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,760
Speaker 2: talking about either and she was used to her. I'm like, yes,

795
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 2: like what you know, this is? This is we just

796
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 2: let it go, like, don't worry, it's not a big deal.

797
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 2: It's not. And that's why it's important though, to be

798
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 2: productive and have things you're interested in so that you

799
00:38:56,239 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 2: don't focus on your partner filling those needs. That's us

800
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 2: to do wherever it is. And I think a certain

801
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 2: amount of delivery of boundaries right, like I'm not a

802
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 2: big Oh you better not do that and freak out.

803
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 2: I'll just put my hand on Laired' shoulder. I think

804
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 2: he's kind of being not cool and just be like

805
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 2: try to remember like I'm on your team and I walk.

806
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 1: Away your Paul in my relationship, I'm Laired your Paul.

807
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's just why do I set the boundary?

808
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, here to make a.

809
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 2: Big drama, but I also will stand up for myself like, hey,

810
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 2: you know what, like I don't know what's going on,

811
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 2: but you can figure it out. I'm here if you

812
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 2: want to talk about it.

813
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 1: But oh my god, that's so fun. I'm literally you

814
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: and I would be a great lesbian couple because your

815
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: Paul in my relationship, like that's exactly Paul. He's like,

816
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 1: I know that's not great, and I don't love the

817
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: way that feels and the way that makes me feel.

818
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 1: So like we're getting to a point now and then

819
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,760
Speaker 1: I'll just get checked and like the caller has been snapped,

820
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: but nothing really happened. There's not an argument.

821
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 3: It's just like okay, no, And it's really I think couples,

822
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 3: if you can find that that language with each other,

823
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 3: I think it really helps avoid a lot.

824
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 2: And by the way, I never I think the other

825
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,919
Speaker 2: thing that's helpful is it's about let's resolve it. I'm

826
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 2: not interested in getting into a hassle. It's like I

827
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 2: think sometimes people have extra energy, and so.

828
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 1: They're like, I I know that's great about getting older.

829
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: Arguing seems like such, you do shrapnel. It literally does damage.

830
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 1: So like, let's just not take the car that hot,

831
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: like we don't need to. That's so true.

832
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 2: People have energy, yes, find something, exercise, do something, put

833
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 2: it because we all have it. It's natural totally. Just

834
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 2: let's direct it to something that's going to actually give

835
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 2: us something positive back.

836
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: Not very interesting, my therapist said. People when they get together,

837
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: their expectations get together. But as you get older, like

838
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: your expectations get married or get engaged or whatever it is.

839
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: As you get older, it's the realities that you have

840
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 1: to deal with, Like, this is the reality, not the

841
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: We're gonna be together and be best friends forever and

842
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna order the same food and we like the

843
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: same things, and you like to go golf and I'm

844
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: going to watch you and go and I care about

845
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: sports on Sunday and wings and all the bullshit that

846
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: shakes down after reality sets in and then like the

847
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: relate realities have to you know, be partners as you are.

848
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: But that's so inspiring. Wow, Okay, so what else are

849
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 1: you working on? Entertainment? One's like do you have to do?

850
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: How do you be the talent and you're being the

851
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: CEO and you have to promote all these things that

852
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: you're doing or are you're not feeling the pressure.

853
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 3: To do that.

854
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 2: I I'm always you know, I'm Jim Quick, the guy

855
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 2: who helps you learn to read quicker and he's no

856
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 2: pun intended. He said that we all have like a

857
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 2: question in our mind that we're asking all the time,

858
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 2: like when we're in situations and what my question? He goes,

859
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 2: you know what your questions are. I go, oh, I

860
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 2: know what my question is. My question is always what's

861
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 2: the point? And how what's the right thing like to do?

862
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 2: Write those two quess in that order. So I generally,

863
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 2: you know, I always say, sometimes you're the farmer and

864
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 2: the flower. It's like, sometimes you have to go out there.

865
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 2: I do. You know, I have a podcast because you know,

866
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 2: one of the things I did, even when I was

867
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 2: playing volleyball, and that's actually how I met layers. I

868
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 2: interviewed people because I always liked the being on the

869
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 2: other side and learning and showcasing other people, and so

870
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed that aspect of it. But as far as,

871
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 2: like you know, going out there and promoting myself and

872
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 2: doing all of that, it's like, only when it's necessary, right,

873
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 2: I get it. I do get it, because you know,

874
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 2: this is very harsh, But there's a part of me

875
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 2: that when you learn when you're younger, it's like when

876
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 2: people say, oh, this will be good exposure, Okay, well

877
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 2: that means nothing and also cool, but if this is

878
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 2: your work, how do you monetize that exposure? So exactly,

879
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 2: so for me, I'm like exposure for what so people

880
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 2: oh yeah, don't know you.

881
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: Thank you for relevance. No, you're gonna monetize. You're gonna

882
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 1: go and you're gonna implement and integrate layered super food.

883
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: You're right there, you'll hold a volleyball like it was yesterday.

884
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: But just to sit down and be more famous and relevant.

885
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 1: Ain't nobody got time for that.

886
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 2: No, So it's just it's still came that fire enough,

887
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 2: so those opportunities are there and then okay, we've got

888
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 2: this project. We're going to go a little more gas

889
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 2: on that fire. But for me, it's it's and it's

890
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 2: also really an important thing to have a healthy relationship

891
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 2: with because it's unsustainable and so rather than being like ooh,

892
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 2: I've always tried to actually have distance from that, and

893
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 2: it actually helps to be with a person who when

894
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 2: I met Laired in the mainstream, I was more known,

895
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 2: and certainly Laird has become more known and that's been

896
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 2: really healthy because it's like a total in house check

897
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,280
Speaker 2: and see if like what that game.

898
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: Is and right, you're still experiencing it because whether it's

899
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,439
Speaker 1: him or you, you're that beast is in your house

900
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: and I fully get it.

901
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 2: You're also getting like checked. It's like Oh yeah, no,

902
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 2: you go, I'm here to support you, like rock on,

903
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 2: you know. So it's like a weird thing where you

904
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 2: can stick in and out of it. And that's why

905
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 2: I like making content or making things, because I get

906
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 2: satisfaction by that even more than like, look at me.

907
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: It's like it's the cake and the frosting. You're back

908
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: to the cake and the frosting.

909
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

910
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 2: I want my friends and family to love me and

911
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 2: be excited about me. And it's not to say, and

912
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 2: you've experienced this when you go someplace and people go, hey,

913
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 2: I really appreciated this or that. That feels good. Of course,

914
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 2: of course it does. But I just think it's about

915
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 2: having a healthy relationship with it. And you know, I

916
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 2: want to say one other thing too about relationships. One

917
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 2: thing that is also really helpful is when you can

918
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 2: find the ways to have distance from your partner, to

919
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 2: look at them and to feel grateful or sort of

920
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 2: appreciate those traits about that person, because it's so easy

921
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 2: for it to all kind of land on top of

922
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 2: you and you don't know what's cool or sexy about

923
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 2: them anymore. But one thing is sometimes if they can

924
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 2: keep that space a little and be like, Wow, I

925
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 2: feel really fortunate because that vibrates back to them and

926
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 2: then they feel like, Wow, this person is actually excited

927
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 2: or interested to be with me, and I think that

928
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 2: gets a really good positive feedback loop. So I just

929
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 2: wanted to say that too.

930
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: I love that you said that too. I feel like

931
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,959
Speaker 1: we have these like weird colliding elements that I would

932
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: never predicted because I'm in a long distance relationship. In

933
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: the beginning, I'm used to being the twenty five year

934
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: old that just thought we're going to be one person

935
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: and have a ride into the sunset, and I've failed

936
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 1: so many times. So to be in a relationship it's

937
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: long distance, which was always challenging because the hell are

938
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: we talking about? And if you like the way you

939
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: were talking before about curating your own version of relevance

940
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: and fame, the way that it works for you, if

941
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 1: you really lean into the fact that you're saying, I

942
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: get quality time with my daughter, I get quality time

943
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:41,320
Speaker 1: with my partner, quality time alone, and then all of

944
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: us together, and then get to be alone by myself,

945
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: which is even making I've been making a bigger priority

946
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: because there was no myself. There was my daughter, my work,

947
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: my partner, there was no me. But all of that

948
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: makes you so excited to do all those things. Meaning,

949
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: Paul will be here tomorrow after I have a photoshoot,

950
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: and I'm excited to go on a date. But if

951
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: we were together every single day, it'd be we'd be

952
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,399
Speaker 1: sick of each other's bullshit. Possibly like so, I'm I'm

953
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 1: liking this new relationship with the distance we both are.

954
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: It took growth because you're used to the images of

955
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: what a relationship is supposed to be versus not the

956
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 1: expectations what it actually is. That's why I've said that before.

957
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: It's interesting, So that's another grade. No, you're very good

958
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: at conversation, so you must be very good at your podcast.

959
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: What is it called and where does it live?

960
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 2: It's very original. It's called The Gabby Reese Show, and

961
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 2: you know everywhere that podcasts are, and you know this

962
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 2: is also being very These are the things that I am.

963
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 2: I'm not a control freak, but the things I'm sticky

964
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 2: on is how am I depicting things? And so I

965
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 2: do talk about very high level scientific things, mental health things,

966
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 2: all of these things, and high performance, but I try

967
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 2: to do it at a third grade level because I do, like,

968
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 2: you know, sort of sharp end of the stick information

969
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 2: and I try to live a high performance life. But

970
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 2: my thing is people who do that, they're already covered.

971
00:46:58,280 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 2: How do we get all that information?

972
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 1: Yeah?

973
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:04,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, for people that they don't have time to figure

974
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,399
Speaker 2: this out and sort of you know, break it down

975
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 2: for them. And I really also enjoy the learning myself

976
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 2: for sure.

977
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: My friend told me about this website that maybe, you know,

978
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: I have to look it up and maybe I'll get

979
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 1: you after. But it's something online where you're basically doing

980
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 1: that Mayo clinic of it all online. Do you know

981
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about? Like you send in your blood

982
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 1: and everything and then you go on this journey and

983
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 1: she's doing with her husband and she says it's amazing

984
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: and different supplements and they both have obviously totally Maybe is.

985
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 2: It inside Tracker? Yes, yeah, they do an excellent They

986
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 2: do an excellent job because also you can go deeper, deeper, deeper.

987
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,280
Speaker 1: I'm going to go do that. Excellent, got it? Okay,

988
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: Well this was incredible. If there's anything you wanted to oh,

989
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 1: just your rose and thorn of your career, just your

990
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: rose and thorn.

991
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 2: Oh jeez, that's interesting. I don't know. I think the

992
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 2: rose is the opportunity to keep doing new things. Quite frankly,

993
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 2: the fact that you can have a job that you like,

994
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,280
Speaker 2: that you wanted to do that for me, I'm never unclear,

995
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 2: is a real gift, you know this, And then I

996
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 2: think thorn is just I've had it. I just want

997
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 2: people lie to me or steal for me. That's never

998
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:11,919
Speaker 2: something that feels good, you know. As far as wins

999
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 2: and losses on courts, courts, that's not really you know,

1000
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 2: that's just part.

1001
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: Of it, right, got it? Yeah, Well you're very interesting

1002
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 1: and very deep. It was an amazing conversation. I'm so grateful,

1003
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: so thank you so much. I really appreciate it.

1004
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 2: And continued success and everything you're doing.

1005
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 1: Likewise, you too, Aloha. I feel like a broken record,

1006
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 1: and I apologize if I am. Just when you have

1007
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: someone come on, you have nothing, You don't know anything

1008
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: about them. You know that she's tall, beautiful, a volleyball player,

1009
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: a model. You know, you just never know what to expect.

1010
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how amazing that conversation was. It

1011
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: was enriching, it was educational, it was inspiring, it was

1012
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 1: so great, so great. That was incredible. I'm just like,

1013
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: really really excited. That was a great, great discussion. What

1014
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: a cool woman, what a down to earth person. Wow.

1015
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:05,879
Speaker 1: I didn't even get to talk to her about her kids.

1016
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 1: I talked a little bit about Laird. He's amazing too.

1017
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: Just God, I want to get to know her more.

1018
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: That was fantastic, So thank you for listening. I hope

1019
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: you loved it as much as I did. Rate, review,

1020
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 1: and subscribe. We keep rocking on. I'm so excited and

1021
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: have a wonderful day.