1 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: Buzz Night and this is the Taking a Walk podcast, 2 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:09,799 Speaker 1: and this is what we call this Week in Music 3 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: History for the week of October the twentieth, and for 4 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: that we go to the maestro of music history, the 5 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 1: maven of music history, Harry Jacobs. 6 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 2: Hello, Harry us. Pleasure to be here again, my friend, 7 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 2: Pleasure to be here. 8 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 3: And I'm not Noster Damas or who is the character 9 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 3: on Johnny Carson that Johnny Carson did, Karnak Karnak. Yeah, 10 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 3: if I were doing Karnak right now, I would say 11 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 3: this episode is gonna be a little on the long side. 12 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 4: We got a lot to get. 13 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 3: To, not a lot of topics, but a couple of 14 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 3: major ones, and we've got a this is gonna be 15 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 3: an in depth, in depth episode this week. 16 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: I'll try to decrease my flapping just a little bit, okay, 17 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: but it's hard, as you know for me, because I'm 18 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: a born flapper. I do want to high I like 19 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: that one of the topics that's going to come up 20 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: on this is about Bruce Springsteen's movie Deliver Me from Nowhere, 21 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: And for that I want to thank to find folks 22 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: at Walt Disney Motion Pictures who bought some advertising on 23 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: the Taken a Walk podcast, so thank them, and we're 24 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 1: happy to talk about the movie, which is very timely 25 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: for the week that this will run. 26 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 3: Did you ever think when you started this one, this 27 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:34,559 Speaker 3: was the little podcast that could episode one, episode two, 28 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 3: that you'd be uttering the words. 29 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 4: I'd like to thank the. 30 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 2: Folks at Walt Disney for their sponsorship. 31 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: I know, it's kind of funny. Yeah, it's kind of funny. 32 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: You've been there from the beginning. You've heard all of 33 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: my neurosis. Anyway, I'm going to decrease clapping and turn 34 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: the rows. 35 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:51,279 Speaker 4: Okay, you we got a lot to get to anyway. 36 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 3: This week is the twentieth I'm actually gonna roll back 37 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 3: a couple of days. I'm going to start on October 38 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 3: seventeenth for the following reasons. October Mber seventeenth is the 39 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 3: date that Street Survivors was released October seventeenth, nineteen seventy seven, 40 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 3: Lyonard Skinnered. And the thing about that album is it 41 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 3: had the flames on it right. The band members were 42 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 3: standing on the street. A great album by the way 43 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 3: that smell and you got that right, and just a 44 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 3: bunch of you know, a bunch of great songs. But 45 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 3: three days later, on October twentieth, nineteen seventy seven, it 46 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 3: was the day of the plane crash, the day that 47 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 3: Southern rock died in a way, right, I mean this 48 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 3: is a band that I mean, the Almonds did what 49 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 3: they did, but Skinnered, for all intents and purposes, really 50 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 3: opened up some doors that were different for Southern rock, 51 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 3: I think. 52 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 2: And this was a horrible day, Yeah, Southern rock, it 53 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 2: really was. It was a very very dark day. 54 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: And that album cover does strike you, for sure, for 55 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: the for all the seas. 56 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember seeing it. You know, we see pictures 57 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:05,239 Speaker 3: of it now, but I remember seeing it in person 58 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 3: and hearing what happened, and oh my gosh, it's just 59 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 3: it's insane. Anyway, three members of the band, including Ronnie 60 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 3: Vans and passed away in that horrific crash on October 61 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 3: twentieth in nineteen seventy seven. Also on October twentieth in 62 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 3: nineteen seventy six. And this is where we're going to 63 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 3: spend some time. This is what I was talking about 64 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 3: at the beginning, where where the car neck thing. I 65 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 3: predict a little bit of time and we're going to 66 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 3: dedicate some time to Led Zeppelin. The song remains the 67 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 3: same premiered on this day in nineteen seventy six. And 68 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 3: this was an interesting film. I'm not sure the last 69 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 3: time you watched this movie while, but. 70 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 4: I went back. I went back and watched it like 71 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 4: in the last week. 72 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 3: And I remember seeing it at the Paris Cinema in 73 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 3: downtown Worcester. 74 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 2: You know, when I was ten years old. 75 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 3: Brought my sister who was four years like a little kid, 76 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 3: like you know, six or something, and she was horrified 77 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 3: and we were horrify. It was a frightening movie. It 78 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 3: wasn't just a concert movie. But there was all this 79 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 3: stuff that happened around that movie that was around mythological stuff, 80 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 3: around fantasies, around their alter egos. 81 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 4: Had you had you thought about that in some time? 82 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 3: I mean, the concert film is the concert film, but 83 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 3: think about everything else that happened around that These all 84 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 3: four of these matter of fact, i'll say all five 85 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 3: of these guys, because Peter Grant was involved with this. 86 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 3: But when you watch the movie, there's all this concert 87 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 3: footage obviously that happens. But this movie was this thing 88 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 3: that took Robert Plant and painted him as this kind 89 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 3: of poet and hero, I'm sure by his own doing. 90 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 3: Jimmy Page as this mystic, John Bonham as a warrior, 91 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 3: John Paul Jones is like the thinker. They all had 92 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 3: these little movies and little scenes that happened within that movie. 93 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 3: You remember that those pieces of it. 94 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: I have not thought of the movie in a long 95 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 1: time and have not so I haven't watched it. But 96 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 1: that's fascinating how you break it out, because it was 97 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: more than just a concert film. 98 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 3: I'm a Zeppelin fan from the time I was ten 99 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 3: years old. I was always always deep into the classic 100 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 3: rock when I was a kid, and seeing that movie 101 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 3: changed me in a way because it was scary as 102 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 3: a ten year old kid. 103 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 4: Right. There was stuff. There was heavy duty stuff. 104 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 3: John Bonham played a mobster, drag racing you know, fast cars. 105 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 2: He was playing snooker. He looked like a trouble maker. 106 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,359 Speaker 3: Peter Grant played the mafia guy with the you know, 107 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 3: with a Tommy gun and the hat. 108 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 4: And it was just like, what is this. This is 109 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 4: not stereoid to heaven, This is not rock and roll 110 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 4: or black Dog. 111 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 3: This is something different, right, Yeah, I'm telling you go 112 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 3: go back and and watch it again. 113 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 4: It's it's so well worth the watch. 114 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 3: The music is just magnificent, but there's so much that 115 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 3: happens around it. There was so much going on with 116 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 3: the band at that time. You remember they did a 117 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 3: series of shows in New York City. The band got robbed. 118 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 3: They were at the Drake Hotel and they lost two 119 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 3: hundred and three thousand dollars taken out of the hotel 120 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 3: safe at the Drake. 121 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 4: Do you remember that part of it? 122 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: I forgot about that, but as you're telling me now, 123 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 1: I remember, yeah. 124 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, So by the way, that too, I went into 125 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 4: the to the inflation calculator. 126 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,799 Speaker 3: It's worth one. That'd be one point four million dollars today. 127 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 5: It was a It was a whirlwind that they were 128 00:06:55,720 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 5: rolling on the The thematic stuff was just so vastly 129 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 5: different than what you would expect in a concert film. 130 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 3: It was like they took the opportunity to give each 131 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 3: other an assignment. Say, think about your fantasy life. What 132 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 3: would you be? Who would you be? 133 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 2: You know? 134 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 3: John Paul Jones was interesting because you know, he was 135 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 3: an intellect. 136 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 4: He was an intellectual. 137 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 3: He is an intellectual, right, very well read, very smart, 138 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 3: and he portrayed himself in that way. They all got 139 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 3: to design their own. I mean, I don't know the 140 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 3: inner workings of it, but as I'm thinking about it's 141 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 3: their movie, they designed it. This John Paul Jones, I, 142 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 3: you know, I went and read a little something about this, 143 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 3: like this dual identity and moral redemption. 144 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 4: It was really deep. He was he played the mask 145 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 4: Night right crazy go I'm telling you go back and 146 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 4: watch it. The thing about him being the mask Knight 147 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 4: is that he again, he's this calm, intellectual, you know, 148 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 4: just a low key smart dude. And you know, Jimmy 149 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 4: Page his piece of this. 150 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 3: He climbs, he climbs a mountain and I want to 151 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 3: get this right, encounters a rob the hermit holding a 152 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 3: lantern of course, that's from you know, the lantern from 153 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 3: led Zeppelin four yes, and referencing this tarot card called 154 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 3: the Hermit. 155 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 4: Anyway. It's really like Page has always had this interest 156 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 4: in the occult. Anyway. There are all these things that 157 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 4: are just weird. 158 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 3: And Robert Plant like portraying himself as a hero and 159 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 3: you know, his search for enlightenment. You remember his son 160 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 3: was in that movie too, when his son was just 161 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 3: you know, a toddler. It's just a very interesting movie. 162 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 3: Beyond the music, you know, seeing it as as an 163 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 3: almost sixty year old guy fifty years later. I mean, 164 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,079 Speaker 3: I may have seen some clips over the years, but 165 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 3: I never went back and watched it. I'm telling you 166 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 3: and anyone that's a led Zeppelin Fan's not just a 167 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 3: concert film, go and watch it. Make some comments on 168 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 3: our Instagram account right to us. Tell us what you think, 169 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 3: what your perception of it is. I really and I 170 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 3: apologize for this, but I have gone into the rabbit 171 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:16,079 Speaker 3: hole of the song remains the same. 172 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: There's no need to apologize on this podcast for a 173 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: rabbit hole. 174 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 4: We both do it. 175 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 3: There was something that happened, we both obviously, we both 176 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 3: have this background. For those of you that may be new, 177 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 3: Buzz and I both worked in radio. 178 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 2: Buzz is. 179 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 3: A famous program director and programmer of radio stations all 180 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 3: over this great land of ours, and went on to 181 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 3: be a consultant and then realized it was time to 182 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 3: go do something else. You became talent after managing these people. 183 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 3: You started as talent. You spent your career managing radio 184 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 3: stations and people. And then I remember you calling me 185 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty one or twenty twenty saying, hey, I'm 186 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 3: thinking about doing a podcast, taking a walk podcast, and. 187 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 4: I'm thinking you want to be talent. Hold on a second, 188 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 4: a lot of seconds. Where are you? I'm flying, I'm 189 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 4: booking a flight. Where are you? We need to talk. 190 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: You did not burst out laughing, and you did not 191 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: like somebody tried to talk me out. 192 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 2: You know that somebody? Yeah, I know, I know him 193 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 2: very well. Know the an artist who used to play 194 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 2: with a band. 195 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 4: Oh oh, oh, geez okay, yeah, Pete Wolf, Yeah, Pete. 196 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 2: Wolf said, well, wait a minute, why are you going 197 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 2: to do this? 198 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 1: We talked about it aside from our podcast recording. So yes, 199 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: you didn't talk me out of it. He tried to 200 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: talk me out of it. And here we are today. 201 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I I you know, it's been a full 202 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 3: circle on this. But when when we were in radio, 203 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 3: obviously we played a lot of Led Zeppelin. One of 204 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:57,319 Speaker 3: the things that would happen, do you remember your your 205 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:01,079 Speaker 3: jock's ever doing this? They would mix the studio version 206 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,959 Speaker 3: of Stairway to Heaven and the live version of studio 207 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:04,839 Speaker 3: of Stairway to. 208 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:07,319 Speaker 4: Heaven, and they would split the song up. 209 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 3: When Robert Plant says and the hallways echo with laughter, 210 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 3: and then in the live version, after he sings that, 211 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 3: he says to the crowd, does anybody remember laughter? And 212 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 3: then you know, Jimmy Page's electric guitar kicks in and 213 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 3: we would all you know, we would do it from 214 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 3: time to time. I think I did it, you know 215 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 3: at ZLX when I. 216 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: Was working for you. Oh man, I wish I had 217 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: a recording of that. You just reminded me of something 218 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: else we used to do with led Zeppelin. We do 219 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: you remember the concept of phasing? 220 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just gonna say, I know what you're doing. 221 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 3: Explain this to the audience. I'll try my best. 222 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 1: So phasing was basically having two album copies of the 223 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: same album and starting them at the exact same time, 224 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:02,959 Speaker 1: and at at a certain point on led Zeppelin one, 225 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,719 Speaker 1: when we would play the first song, which was Your 226 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 1: Time is Going to Come, we would then at a 227 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: certain point in that song, we'd have one one turntable 228 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:22,559 Speaker 1: live and the second one was was was properly aligned. 229 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: So at a certain point we bring up turntable two 230 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: and they're both playing identically at the same time, in 231 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 1: complete sync, and then you're hearing this phase audio sound. 232 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 2: Is that a terrible description? 233 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 4: No, it's not. 234 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 3: And we have those of us that you know play music. 235 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 3: We have what's called a phaser. It's one of the 236 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 3: pedals for a guitar. This is the same concept. And 237 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 3: essentially your description is is almost accurate to our mind. 238 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 3: It's accurate where you play this song and you sync 239 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 3: it up. The basically what happens is there's this like 240 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 3: harmonic rhythmic thing that happens with the texture of those 241 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:13,959 Speaker 3: songs there they're actually never really aligned perfectly there when 242 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 3: they get to that phasing, they're just slightly out of alignment, 243 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 3: and it gives you this. 244 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 4: Sound that it's like a. 245 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:25,359 Speaker 2: Very cosmic sounding. 246 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 3: Very cosmic and and it was pioneered in the sixties. 247 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 3: We would do it as jockson was kind of a 248 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 3: cool thing. Yeah, so yeah, that but the Stairwaid having 249 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 3: the live version studio version. 250 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 2: I like your idea better than my face. 251 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 4: Yeah. 252 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 3: So at any rate, there's the there's the Led Zeppelin thing. 253 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 3: You know, just a lot going on with that movie, 254 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 3: and you know, go back and watch it if you're 255 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 3: a Zepplin And that's all that's all I'll say about that. 256 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 2: Thank you. 257 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 3: Roger Ebert, was he the heavy one or the skinny one? 258 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 3: Is that a fallu in a fat chub? Are you 259 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 3: fat streaming me right now? 260 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 4: No? 261 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:10,439 Speaker 3: October twenty first, nineteen seventy six, Keith Moon final US 262 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 3: show with the Who. They played at the Maple Leaf 263 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 3: Garden Arena in Toronto and that was that was the 264 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 3: end of it. Keith met his demise after that. Oh 265 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 3: may crazy ass drummer? Good? 266 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 2: What a crazy what a player? Yeah? 267 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 4: Played played to. 268 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 3: Roger Daltrey's vocal tracks, didn't play around them, played to them. 269 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 3: Very unique to I've talked about this before. I've touched 270 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 3: on it. The fact that when you go and you 271 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 3: listen to there's a biography that ran on Netflix for 272 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 3: a while on Who's Next, and you can hear you 273 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 3: see Roger Daltrey sitting at a desk and then you 274 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 3: see him isolate his vocal track and Keith's drumming, and 275 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 3: it's totally different from the way anyone else plays drums 276 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 3: as a way to enhance and around the vocals. Keith 277 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 3: played with Roger as he sang, just hit those skins hard. 278 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 4: So a huge loss for the music and drumming world 279 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 4: with that. 280 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 3: Absolutely October twenty sixth nineteen sixty nine, led Zeppelin actually 281 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 3: released led Zeppelin two just you know, a great follow 282 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 3: up to led Zeppelin One. I mean think about Heartbreaker, 283 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 3: Living Love and made Ramble On, you know Lemons. I 284 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 3: mean there's a million songs, I mean the whole That 285 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 3: was one of those. 286 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 2: Every song. 287 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, beginning to end. 288 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 3: October twenty third, nineteen sixty six, Jimmy Hendrix recorded Hey 289 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 3: Joe in London. 290 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 4: That was his debut. 291 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 3: Great song, incredible instrumental, classic rock song. Let me see 292 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 3: what else we got here. Let's get to October twenty fourth, 293 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 3: Let's get to the day that deliver Me from Nowhere 294 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 3: comes out. 295 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, and and. 296 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: Thank you to the nice folks at Walt Disney Motion Pictures. 297 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: By the way, too, Springsteen delivered Me from Nowhere. My god, 298 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: we're talking about it. 299 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 2: It's amazing. 300 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 3: I would I would even take a screener, by the way, 301 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 3: just like we did with the other Bruce documentary, even 302 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 3: for a few days in advance, just. 303 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 4: To I was hoping to get at home. 304 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was hoping. 305 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 3: You can't go anywhere right now without seeing Bruce Springsteen somewhere. 306 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, heavy push, so different. 307 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 4: He's done more press for this and I think anything else? 308 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 2: Right? And and Scott Cooper, the director. 309 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: Had you seen the Academy Award winning Crazy Heart? 310 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, oh that's his movie. Yes, I didn't realize that. 311 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, what a magnificent piece of work that is. 312 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 4: Jeff Bridges, Yes, absolutely, this This. 313 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 3: Is an unbelievable undertaking. You know, there are plenty of 314 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 3: people that that could probably easily be copied, but Bruce 315 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 3: is on Enigma and this album not anywhere near his 316 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 3: best selling right. Think about this. This came out just 317 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 3: before the biggest push of his career with Born in 318 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 3: the USA. As a matter of fact, these tracks Born 319 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:25,479 Speaker 3: in the USA was done for Nebraska originally. This is 320 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 3: one of those things that when you think about the 321 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 3: way he recorded it on that task Am and that 322 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 3: home in New Jersey, I think we just saw someone, 323 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 3: you know, CBS News or someone go into that house 324 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 3: with him. He brought his guitar, he played in that 325 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 3: bedroom where he recorded it. Did you see that? I 326 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 3: did not see that. No, he went in and he played. 327 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 3: I think he might have even played in Nebraska while 328 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 3: he was in there. But they brought him into that 329 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 3: home and he sat there with Askam tape deck a 330 00:17:54,480 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 3: little four track and one engineer to help him. Eventually 331 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 3: there was one guy I believe that came in and 332 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:06,880 Speaker 3: helped him a little bit with some of the four 333 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 3: track stuff. But it's a crazy thing to think about 334 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 3: the fact that he carried the cassette around in his 335 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 3: back pocket, he carried the recording around. 336 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 2: Are you surprised about the amount of press he's doing. 337 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 3: I'm completely surprised. I'm completely blown away. There has not 338 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 3: been this much exposure. Unless I'm wrong, there's not been 339 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 3: this much Bruce Springsteen exposure since that period of eighty 340 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 3: four to eighty six when he was setting the world 341 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 3: on fire with Born in the USA. We haven't seen 342 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 3: this much Bruce. Now he's making himself more available. But 343 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 3: in terms of publicity overall for Bruce, it's the biggest 344 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 3: in his career in my opinion, even bigger than Time 345 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 3: and Newsweek in the same week. 346 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: Remember too, he was also he put himself out quite 347 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 1: a bit for the year ago, you know, a concert 348 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: film as well. 349 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 2: He was out doing interviews for that too. 350 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 4: It was nothing like this. 351 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 3: This is a media onslaught right now, and he historically 352 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 3: was just not one that wanted to talk to people right, 353 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:19,400 Speaker 3: especially the press right. I saw a clip last week 354 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 3: of him from like, you know, nineteen eighty from the River, 355 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,439 Speaker 3: and he was just mumbling his way through the It 356 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 3: was kind of funny to see it, you know, obviously 357 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 3: to time, maturity, all that stuff. But he you know, 358 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 3: didn't want to be interviewed, didn't like to do that. 359 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 3: And now he seems to enjoy it. You know, he 360 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 3: sat down with Ed Bradley at sixty Minutes years ago. 361 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:42,159 Speaker 3: It did the thing with Obama. I mean, he talks 362 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 3: to everyone, and he is a deep thinker and you know, 363 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 3: really just a captivating character in so many ways. And 364 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,919 Speaker 3: I feel like this may be cliche, but I feel like, 365 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 3: especially with Born to Run, it has been like the 366 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 3: sound track of my life. His music has been the 367 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 3: soundtrack of my life. I walked into Rich Kreswick's office 368 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 3: at the Boston Garden when he was the general manager 369 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 3: before I got married in two thousand and three, and 370 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 3: there was a sign Born to Run album in his office, 371 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 3: full album signed, and Rich said, if you like that, 372 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 3: He said, that was my album when I when I 373 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 3: was younger, I had him sign it. He signed it 374 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,199 Speaker 3: in front of me, and I said, someday, you know, 375 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 3: I want one of those. 376 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 2: And I got. 377 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 4: Married, and about two weeks after I got married, giant 378 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 4: box shows up in my house from the Fleet Center 379 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,120 Speaker 4: and I said to my wife, Oh, that's a gift 380 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 4: from rich Creswick. And she said, oh, let's open it. 381 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 4: What do you think it is? Said, oh? 382 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 3: And I opened it and it's the sign Born to 383 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 3: Run album that was hanging in his. 384 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 2: Office at the Fleet Center. Oh wow. 385 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:57,199 Speaker 3: And my wife was like, what's that about. I'm like, 386 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 3: that's the greatest gift anyone's ever given me. What that's about? 387 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 3: And that hangs in my house right now. It will 388 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 3: always hang in my house. 389 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 4: But you know, his music, for both of us and 390 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 4: for so many people, has been the fabric of their lives. 391 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:12,679 Speaker 2: You know. 392 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 3: You think about the experience of not only listening to 393 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 3: the music, but seeing him as many times as we've 394 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 3: seen him, and what these songs mean, especially Nebraska. It's 395 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 3: so stark, but it's so I've been listening to it relentlessly, 396 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 3: you know, in the car every time I'm out. 397 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 2: I've been you know, if I go and. 398 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 3: Sit and smoke, I'll throw the earphones on and have 399 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 3: a cigar and listen to it. I can listen to 400 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 3: that album through and through. It's always been one of 401 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 3: my favorites. And that track list, you know, Nebraska, Atlantic City, 402 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 3: Mansion on the Hill, Johnny Highway patrolman, State trooper used 403 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 3: cars open on my my father's house. I think I'm 404 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 3: I think I'm missing all Reason to Believe? 405 00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, remember he was doing that that version. 406 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 3: Second song on Born in the USA, right after Born 407 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 3: in the USA was a rockin version of Reason to Believe. 408 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 3: It's an amazing album. He's such an amazing storyteller for 409 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 3: a guy that didn't get his license until he was 410 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 3: like twenty years old and never owned cars, and you know, 411 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 3: he he had never had a d as he says, 412 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,439 Speaker 3: never worked an honest day in his life until the 413 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 3: Broadway show. 414 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,719 Speaker 4: He writes about cars and working and people. 415 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 3: And we'll get to see, you know, a version of 416 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 3: his dad with Stephen Graham in the movie. And he 417 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 3: said to Stephen Graham, he said, I got to see 418 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,959 Speaker 3: my father again with you portraying him. 419 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 2: Wow. 420 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 3: If you ever got Bruce on this podcast, I would 421 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 3: be willing to bet everything that your first question, who 422 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 3: would you take a walk with? I'd be willing to 423 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 3: bet he'd want to take a walk now his dad 424 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 3: any five years old? 425 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I'd be dying to know. 426 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 4: I mean, even if we could just ask him one question, 427 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 4: who would you take a walk with? I know, right, 428 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 4: just one question, that's all I want, right at, John 429 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 4: Landaut Just one question, John. 430 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, we'll give it a try. 431 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 3: So the album is a magnificent piece of work. I'm 432 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 3: nervous about one thing, and that is they're releasing the 433 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 3: full band version of it. You're aware that, No, there 434 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 3: was a full band recording of Nebraska that was done. 435 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 4: After he got done. 436 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 3: With it, he took it into the studio, got everybody together, 437 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 3: and at the end they decided, he decided, quite frankly, 438 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 3: they didn't do anything. He decides what he wants to do, 439 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 3: and he said, I'm not releasing the album. 440 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 2: I'm releasing my solo album. 441 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 3: So for for years, for forty years, there's been this 442 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 3: version of Nebraska with the East Street Band that's never 443 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 3: been put up out and I'm nervous about I'm nervous 444 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 3: about hearing that because I haven't loved a lot of 445 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 3: the material we're hearing now A lot of it, I do, 446 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 3: but there are some things where I scratch my head. 447 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 3: And you know, he goes through different like everyone, he 448 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 3: goes through different periods and things in his life. I'm 449 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 3: just I'm a fan of the Tenth Avenue, Freeze Out 450 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 3: in jungle Land and Born to Run, and you know 451 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,199 Speaker 3: what I mean, the stuff that you know, Rosalita and 452 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 3: the stuff we all, as Bruce Nutts love. But I'm 453 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 3: a little nervous to hear the band version of it. 454 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 3: I want to, but I don't know. 455 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand. 456 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: I understand why you feel that way, But those I'm curious, 457 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 1: but I understand why you're saying it. 458 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 3: Those songs though every one of them that I just listed, 459 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 3: I have seen him play almost all of them, maybe 460 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 3: not used car maybe you know what used cars. I 461 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 3: think I saw him play it in Boston at the Orpheum, 462 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 3: every one of them when he plays them with the 463 00:24:58,680 --> 00:24:59,360 Speaker 3: band I love. 464 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 2: But this is forty years later, thirty years later, So. 465 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 3: I'm a little I'm a little nervous for him, I 466 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 3: don't know, or and for me, I don't know why. 467 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I get it, I get it. There's 468 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,919 Speaker 2: this connection between Sean Penn and Bruce Springsteen. You were 469 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 2: aware of it. No. 470 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 4: Sean Penn dated Pam Bruce's. 471 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:23,360 Speaker 2: Sister, Oh, okay. 472 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 3: And he ended up taking after they broke up. He 473 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 3: ended up taking the script for The Indian Runner based 474 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 3: on Highway Patrolman because Sean was a big Springsteen fan 475 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 3: and asked Bruce about having the song for it. It 476 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:46,120 Speaker 3: was based on, you know, on Joe and Frank. Think 477 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 3: about that song. My name is Joe Roberts. I worked 478 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 3: for the State. I'm a trooper out you know what 479 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 3: I mean. It's like, yeah, the whole thing. You know 480 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 3: my I got a brother named Frank. If Frank ain't 481 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 3: no good, right, that's what the movie is based on. 482 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 3: If you haven't seen The Indian Runner, those of you 483 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,439 Speaker 3: that are Bruce fans or just want to see a 484 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 3: great indie kind of movie. And and Buzz, I'm not 485 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 3: sure if you've seen The Indian Runner, but watch that. 486 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 3: Oh you got to watch it, Okay, especially now with 487 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,360 Speaker 3: this coming out, This will feed your I. 488 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 2: Got a lot of assignments coming out of this episode. 489 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 3: Listen, the Zeppelin movie, the Songerman is the same. You 490 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,679 Speaker 3: got Highway, you got the Indian Runner. You get stuff 491 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,120 Speaker 3: to do this week. Busy Week delivered me from nowhere. 492 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 3: I'm really looking forward to it. You brought up an 493 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 3: interesting point as we were talking before the episode. You 494 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 3: want to touch on on that, regarding what it must 495 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,159 Speaker 3: have been like on that. 496 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:47,199 Speaker 1: Set, the fact that he was so Bruce was so 497 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: intensely involved that he was on set a ton. I 498 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: couldn't imagine what Jeremy white, what he must have fell, 499 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:03,439 Speaker 1: how it felt the pressure of doing his craft, but 500 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 1: having to do it with Bruce. 501 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 2: On set so frequently that blows me away. 502 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 3: It would be one thing to do the acting piece 503 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 3: of it, right, but it's a whole another piece of 504 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,679 Speaker 3: it to pick up that telecaster or that you know, 505 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 3: whatever guitar, whatever acoustics they're playing and play that well. Well, 506 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 3: the guy that made this those songs legendary is sitting 507 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:27,880 Speaker 3: ten feet in front of you in the same room. 508 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 3: I can't imagine what that was like. I and I 509 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 3: love Bruce, but I would never want to pick up 510 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 3: my guitar in front of him. I just wouldn't write 511 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 3: like you know, I just I just would one of 512 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 3: those guys you just you wouldn't, but I but Jeremy 513 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 3: just embrace it. 514 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 4: And I guess this is the thing about actors like Jeremy. 515 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 4: They just look at it and they go, it's Bruce, 516 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 4: and it's huge shoes to fill. But I'm gonna pick. 517 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 3: Up my guitar and I'm gonna I'm gonna work my 518 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 3: way through looking like I'm playing it. But then I'm 519 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 3: gonna I'm gonna make myself sound as much like Bruce 520 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 3: as Bruce does. When I heard that, I was with 521 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 3: you in Connecticut when it's over the summer in July 522 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 3: or whenever we were there, and and and I heard it, 523 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 3: and you said. 524 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 2: That's him, Yeah, that's that's that's the act. 525 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 4: That's Jeremy singing. I was blown away that someone could 526 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 4: mimic like that. 527 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: I'm impressed with how in all this press that Jeremy 528 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:32,120 Speaker 1: seems to really be excited. 529 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 2: And you know, putting. 530 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: Himself out there and obviously with this, you know body 531 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: of work that he's that he's created, so we know 532 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:46,719 Speaker 1: the neurosis of the actor the musician, but Jeremy seems 533 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 1: really into this and really super grateful for the opportunity. 534 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 3: Bruce is notorious for torturing not only himself but those 535 00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 3: around him. When you look back to Wings for Wheels, 536 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 3: which I think was the documentary on on Born Run, 537 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 3: and then they did another one for Darkness. 538 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 2: Bruce was painful. 539 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 3: You know, he's he just it's every note that he 540 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 3: can't help it, saxophone solo and saxophone solo in jungle Land, 541 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 3: note by note with Clarence, I mean people, you know, 542 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 3: he just he's on every single detail, and and he 543 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 3: makes it look. 544 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 4: This is the beauty of what he does. He gets 545 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 4: it down, he gets it to where it's perfect in 546 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 4: his mind, and then he goes out and rips through 547 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 4: it on stage and it's like he's just taking a walk. 548 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. 549 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 4: It's like he's just just doing it, you know. To me, 550 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 4: I can't wait. I'm going to go see the movie. 551 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 3: I'm probably gonna go see the movie alone, probably gonna 552 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 3: get some popcorn and some milk duds, and I'm probably 553 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 3: just gonna see it and I may buy an the 554 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,239 Speaker 3: ticket and see it again. I'm just that kind of 555 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 3: like I I will go down the rabbit hole because 556 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 3: I'm that kind of Bruce Nutt. 557 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 2: That's awesome. I can't wait to hear your view. Now. 558 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 1: I did misspeak a little bit I said Walt Disney 559 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 1: Motion Pictures, which is correct, but really also it's twentieth 560 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: century Studios, so's to be to be clear about it. 561 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 2: We thank them both. 562 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 3: Let me rephrase my question then, from the beginning, did 563 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 3: you ever think in twenty twenty or twenty twenty, when 564 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 3: we were starting the little podcast that could take in 565 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 3: a Walk, that you'd be thinking twentieth century Fox and 566 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 3: Disney for their sponsorship. 567 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 2: Of course, not, of course happened. 568 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 4: If you build it, they will come. 569 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 2: Thank you for. 570 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 4: Happy and I'm happy to be along for the ride. 571 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 2: Thank you for your support and friendship on it. 572 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 4: So we can we can call it right now. I 573 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 4: got a couple of I got a couple of quick 574 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 4: things if you want for the for the last couple 575 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 4: of days, or we can just call it with that. 576 00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 1: I think we call it with Bruce as the final piece. 577 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: Great coverage on it. It gets me further excited for it, 578 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 1: and I love celebrating the music with you of Bruce. 579 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: We've been part of it individually and together and will 580 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: continue to be. 581 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 2: So thank you for that. 582 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 1: Absolutely, And that's the look at the week of October. 583 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 2: Twentieth ish, Yes, right 584 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 1: Around for the taking a walk podcast, and please share 585 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 1: this with your friends, and thank you for coming back 586 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 1: and listening to it.