WEBVTT - Ep. 1061: What Would Michael Perry Do? 0:00:01.280 --> 0:00:04.600 Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:08.719 the White Tail Woods, presented by first Light, creating proven 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:13.039 versatile hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind. First 0:00:13.160 --> 0:00:18.759 Light Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host Mark Kenyon. 0:00:19.079 --> 0:00:22.400 Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. This week in 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:26.080 the show, I'm running Alabama public Land deer hunter Michael 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:29.680 Perry through the what would you do? Gauntlet to find 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:32.880 out exactly how he'd handle some of the most interesting 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:35.920 and tricky deer hunting scenarios I can throw. 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:36.760 Out of here. 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:40.240 All right, welcome back. 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:43.880 To the Wired Hunt podcast, brought to you by Moultrie. 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:46.680 This week on the show, we are kicking off one 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:49.520 of our favorite mini series that we do every single 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:52.280 year now for maybe six seven years, something like that, 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:53.279 called what. 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:55.520 Would you Do? This is the what would you Do? 0:00:55.800 --> 0:00:59.400 Gauntlet, in which we run a deer hunter through a 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:04.760 series of very specific hypothetical deer hunting scenarios to see 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:07.160 how they would tackle them, how they would think through 0:01:07.160 --> 0:01:09.600 this challenge, what they would actually. 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:11.119 Do, and why they would do that. 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:16.000 It's a unique and very helpful way to learn about 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:19.400 somebody's deer hunting approach, at least that I've found. We've 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:23.040 ran many, many different hunters through this gauntlet, many different 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:26.360 styles of hunters. We've gotten you know, private land big 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:31.360 buck managers in the Midwest, we've had diy Midwest public land, 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:35.759 you know diehards, and today we've got someone from the South. 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:40.520 We've got Michael Perry. He is a deer hunting fanatic 0:01:40.680 --> 0:01:45.160 from Alabama, hunting big woods, hunting big chunks of public 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:49.200 land in low deer density places where it's not easy 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:52.400 to find mature bucks. It's not easy to kill big bucks. 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:55.240 But Michael Perry is doing it at a level that 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:58.720 not many people are. He has a state record Muzzloder buck, 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:02.600 he has many book bucks under his belt and simply 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:05.440 is doing it in a hard to do kind of 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:08.840 way that is very impressive. It's very interesting. He's the 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:11.720 perfect kind of guy for the what would you do? Gauntlet? 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:14.919 So today that's the game plan. We're going to find 0:02:14.960 --> 0:02:17.959 out exactly how Michael would think through some of the toughest, 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:22.359 you know, scouting scenarios, off season prep scenarios, and in 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:26.840 season hunting decisions that many of us have faced. And 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:30.799 whether you are in the Northeast, the Midwest, the South, 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:33.120 wherever you're at. I think there's something you can take 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:38.000 away from this conversation. So without any further ado, let's 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:42.079 get to What would You Do? Gauntlet with mister Michael Parry. 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:52.520 All right, joining me now on the line is Michael Perry. Michael, 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:53.360 thanks for joining me. 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:56.320 Hey, I appreciate you. How's our bye? Doing? This is awesome? 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:59.520 Hey, I'm doing good. I'm excited for this. This is 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:01.639 you know, as I kind of told you off air, 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:05.040 this What Would You Do? Series is something that we 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:05.760 do every year. 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:08.600 This is maybe the. 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:10.639 Fifth or sixth, there's maybe seventh year in a row 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:14.840 we've done this, and it's always leading up to opening dates. 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:18.400 It's just before the fall. Everybody's getting fired up. So 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:20.399 I know that when I'm about to have an episode 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:23.560 like this, I know good things are just ahead. 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:25.880 So I'm a I'm a happy camper knowing that. 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:27.760 It is coming. It's coming. 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:30.960 Based Yeah, do you feel ready? 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:31.320 No? 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:34.000 I never do either. 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:35.880 You don't never feel ready until you're up in the 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:37.440 tray and you're hoping you're ready land you know. 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:42.160 So true, so true, And that's kind of a perfect 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:44.440 segue into how I want to kick this thing off 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:46.760 to Michael, because as I as I told you, as 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:49.560 you know, the plan for today is to walk. 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:53.880 You through what we call the what would you do? Gauntlet. 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:55.920 I'm going to run you through a bunch of different, 0:03:56.480 --> 0:04:01.480 you know, interesting, sometimes trickier, challenging, dear hunting scenarios to 0:04:01.640 --> 0:04:05.120 try to, you know, understand how you would tackle these things. 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:08.920 So I want to start with preseason. I want to 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:11.840 walk you through a scenario in the off season, and 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:13.760 then we'll kind of work our way through the year 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:17.120 into the actual hunting season. So I'll paint a picture 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:20.080 for you, a hypothetical scenario, and then if you could 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:22.599 just kind of talk me through what you would do, 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:25.400 how you would do it, why you would do it, 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:27.760 you know what you would be thinking through throughout that 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:31.080 whole process. I think that would, at least for me, 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:37.000 it always helps me understand how a different deer hunter 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:39.240 would approach things in a brand new way. That has 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:42.880 just helped me maybe more than any other kind of 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:46.320 podcast format or learning format I've tried yet. 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:48.280 So does that game plan sound good? 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:51.240 Sounds challenging? Yeah, let's do it all right. 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:53.720 So let's rewind the clock a little bit. Let's say 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:56.960 it's March. It's March. You're down in your neck of 0:04:56.960 --> 0:05:01.560 the woods and you're out doing some postseason scout. While 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:03.880 you're out walking around this big piece of public land, 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:07.400 you run across a big set of tracks. This is 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:09.840 a set of tracks that's big enough to stop you 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:13.320 in your tracks and look at it and be like, huh, 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:18.280 this is interesting. Tell me this How big would those 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:22.039 tracks have to be to stop you in place? And 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:25.760 then what would you do in the following minutes or 0:05:25.880 --> 0:05:29.600 hours after coming across these like show stopping tracks. Walk 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:33.200 me through the Michael Perry thought process when you find 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:35.719 this big set of tracks in the dirt and you're 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:37.440 trying to figure out, okay, what does this mean? 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:39.440 Where do I go from here? Can you walk me 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:41.000 through that process? 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:41.680 Yeah? 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:44.159 Sure, uh, you know down here in the south. You know, 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:45.800 mainly it is where I hunted it. So a three 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:49.000 finger track or more is you know, it's something very 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:50.880 impressive and if I walk up on a track like that, 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:54.119 automatically stop. You know, of course you're looking at your track. 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:56.800 I'm thinking about saying, all right, why is that track air? 0:05:57.360 --> 0:05:59.000 When they put that track air, they put it there 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:02.120 for a reason, you know, say February March is you know, 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:06.240 is postseason, so they're back in their home ranges generally, 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:08.520 so you stop looking there and I'm trying to figure out, 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:10.520 all right, he come from that way or he's going 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:13.920 this way. If I can, I'll try to backtrack. First off, 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:15.920 I'm gonna market you know, with my with my phone, 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:18.960 so my app, you know, just trying to save that spot. 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:21.240 You know, if I'm on where I can look at 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:23.919 it on something online, I'll kind of look at the 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:27.040 train and the timber changes or whatever with it, or 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:28.960 is any thickets on one side, or for some kind 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:31.240 of food source from where it is coming from or 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:34.880 going trying to try to put a start building a 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:37.200 you know on the puzzle pieces, because you know, when 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:39.640 you're looking at that track, you know which way it's going, 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:40.280 which way it's. 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:43.320 Coming from, but generally you're not going to know where. 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:45.240 It's coming from or why, or where it's going to 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:49.160 and why without either trying to figure out backtracking them 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:52.440 using your app or maps you know, arrow footage not 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:54.720 that to kind of look at it and just get 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:57.520 a general plan or start tracking it if you can 0:06:57.560 --> 0:06:59.679 track it, you know, if if I can with generally 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:02.080 all will I'll try to walk it, I figure, you know, 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:05.240 because you know, bucks like using different trains if they're 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:07.360 coming down from something, if they're crossing the creek, or 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:09.240 if they're going up you know, so you can kind 0:07:09.240 --> 0:07:12.280 of look for secondary points or some kind of cover, 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:15.000 you know, or if it's a food source, go to that. 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:17.880 See what's that? See what's a reason behind that? If 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:20.480 it's just a spring specific food source. 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:21.200 Or what so. 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:25.280 And then if you can find the bed coming associated 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:28.880 with it, would be would be interesting not breath taking, 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:29.680 you know, to me. 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:32.200 But because that can change a little bit. 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:35.200 So But but anyway, no one that that track is there, 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:37.440 and it's there for a reason, and then you know, 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:39.840 markting it, looking at it and then coming back maybe 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:42.160 later if you can tie some rubs or scrapes into 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:44.680 it with that area, you know, that might give you 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:49.880 a plan for the root part. But that uh but gentally, 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:52.360 no one that suckers there is giving you the name 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:53.119 starting point. 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:53.600 That's the thing. 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:55.440 If it's a big track, you got a starting point, 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:57.200 So you got a way to come back and check 0:07:57.240 --> 0:08:00.440 you out, you know, maybe hang a camera that that. 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:02.440 Depends on if you can or not. 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:06.000 So, but just I mean a very good starting point, 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:07.520 because you always got to have a starting point, and 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:10.400 a big track is a number one thing besides seeing 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:12.400 him standing in it, you know, to me, it is. 0:08:12.480 --> 0:08:16.280 Very important in your In your book, you wrote that 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:19.800 the second most important thing after a big track to 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:22.040 help you identify if for big bucks in the area 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:27.480 other than cameras, was big droppings. Right, how often is 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:29.560 that something you're still looking at now? And how do 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:32.760 you actually determine, Oh, yeah, that's a big it's a 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:34.080 big turd, that's big enough. 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:34.680 For a big bucket. 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:36.679 Walk me through a little more detail there about how 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:39.600 you're able to actually make that determination. 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:42.880 Well, you can tell, I mean through experience generally small 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:46.000 pellets versus big pellets for big clumps, you know, you know, 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:48.520 sometimes a big clump is you know, associated with it's 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:50.240 close to the beds and getting up it's been laying 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:53.320 there a while, That could make it compacted, but that's 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:57.200 not always the case. So you know, another thing determining 0:08:57.280 --> 0:08:59.960 that is if it's dry or if it's shiny and slick, 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:03.839 being new fresh. So just but the bigger size, you know, 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:05.439 you can look at them and tail by just the 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:09.160 pellets first, a little bit small pellets big to determine 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:12.120 it's a bigger deer. So yeah, I mean that's a 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:15.040 key that's as a key thing to find or key 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:16.359 piece of sign to find. 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:20.360 Some all right, Uh for someone who's newer, give me, 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:23.480 give me like some kind of reference point. Are we 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:26.800 talking like minem size or are we talking peanut minem 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:28.040 size or or. 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:33.520 Between the size or bigger so yeah, or it might 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:34.640 be hershy kissing side. 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:40.680 That's that's a real big one, all right. So okay, 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:42.679 so let's let's build this out a little bit further 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:47.199 than Let's imagine you're out doing this scouting trip, you 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:50.400 found your big tracks. You you kind of started asking 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:54.760 why you found some big droppings. You follow these these tracks. 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:57.080 Let's say you can backtrack. You go back and you 0:09:57.120 --> 0:09:59.520 do find a bed like you mentioned. And in that bed, 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:03.680 I'm going to say, this is like a little knob 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:06.840 pushing out of a ridge, kind of a just a 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:09.920 picture perfect buck betting location. He's off this knob, he 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:12.600 can see down to a little draw beneath him, and 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:15.440 up on this spot where you find this bed, there 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:19.040 is a match set of sheds and this is a 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:21.560 jumbo buck this is a buck that you look at 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:24.200 and you say, oh wow, Like, this could be this 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:26.800 buck this coming year, could be like in the same 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:29.920 neighborhood as your you know, state record buck. Like this 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:36.200 is a jaw dropper when you come across that, walk 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:39.400 me through what you do the rest of that day. 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:42.440 So you've already found some tracks, you've found some droppings, 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:45.040 you've walked him back to the bed, you've found his sheds, 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:48.560 there's still some daylight. How do you make the most 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:52.600 of this next couple hours after you've found this, you know, 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:55.720 kind of jaw dropping set of sign. 0:10:56.559 --> 0:10:59.000 Well, that's that's a good question, yo. 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:03.880 Something you know on a bed and they come, I've 0:11:03.920 --> 0:11:06.000 never found this set of shed in a bed anyway. 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:08.720 I mean that that's wuld be showing up next level. 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:11.240 But getting there out of that bed, looking at that 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:13.480 bed and standing in it, or some people lay in them. 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:15.280 I don't like leaving no scent in them if I 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:17.240 can help it. You know, I'm not extra sent anyway. 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:20.480 It's just looking and see what he's looking at, Okay, 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:23.600 see what he's observing, you know, because you can generally 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:25.680 figure out he's got some kind of back cover. Okay, 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:29.200 see what of deserving because chances you coming in that 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:32.959 way on them is impossible, you know, and the chances 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:34.840 you beat, you gotta figure out a way either beat. 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:36.440 Them back or catch them coming out. 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:40.720 And it's very like for my hunting process, I don't 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:42.079 never try to beat one back to the. 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:44.559 Bed because that's early season is. 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:47.080 Your best opportunity at that and it's very hard to 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:49.920 do that in the South, in my opinion. So my 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:52.840 second scenario, or the better scenario was trying to figure 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:56.199 out how he be he leaving that okay, because generally 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:57.719 when they come back to a bed, they're gonna do 0:11:57.800 --> 0:11:59.719 some kind of jayhook or some kind of circle to 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:01.760 make sure their area safe and all that stuff. So 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:04.560 you for you get set up for that unless you're 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:07.880 outside of it in the morning and know exactly how 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:10.160 he's coming back, which most bucks don't never come back 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:13.480 the same way consistently, So figuring out pour that is 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:16.800 how hard, you know, So him exiting the bed is well, 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:18.400 I'm gonna try to figure out how would he leave, 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:22.200 where is he going to and why? So so I'll 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:25.120 generally there's two ways of doing that. It's the one 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:26.959 you're trying to get up on the same plane with them, 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:29.400 because generally they walk that plane late in the evening, 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:33.320 right before they come down, they're observing slowly what's blowing, watching, 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:37.520 waiting on some kind of thermal shift or something like that, 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:40.560 or or keeping their nose in the wind before they 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:42.800 even go down. If they go down, that's another thing. 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:44.920 They might not go down, they might parallel, they might 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:48.400 go up, depends on what they're looking for, if it's 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:50.920 you know, acrens or dropping whatever. So trying to figure 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:54.240 that out what plane and you can kind of you know, 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:57.040 I love keeping rubber gloves with me, peel back some leaves, 0:12:57.080 --> 0:12:59.720 trying to find a track in a direction going away 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:00.360 from that bed. 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:04.440 Then then you're looking you know, of course you've. 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:06.880 Got ther spot saved, and you're looking at maps, hopefully 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:09.160 if you can look at maps on your phone, trying 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:11.960 to find out why or where he would be going 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:14.280 to and find some kind of edge or some kind 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:17.240 of short pinch to catch him that would make him 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:18.960 come by you when he's leaving that way. 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:21.240 So that's I mean, you can spend hours. I mean, 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:22.359 you might have to spend. 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:25.400 Days doing that if you because it's that's a hard one. 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:27.079 Of the hardest things that are to figure out how 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:30.200 he would leave that bed, and and then you got 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:32.920 to guess because if it's gonna go down, if he's 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:34.280 gonna parallel or go up. 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:35.200 It's just so. 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:38.200 But trying to find some kind of short pinch is 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:41.120 generally the best option for me. And then you know, 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:44.000 I'll spend a few evenings you know, I'm trying to 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:44.800 catch him coming out of that. 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:46.880 But after that, it's it's. 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:48.920 That is So that's one of the toughest things to do, 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:51.840 especially in the south of the hunt of bed buck. 0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:55.040 So it's just they'll figure you out so fast. And 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:58.680 because there's no way to get in there to me 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:00.600 without in a couple. 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:02.640 Days that I'm knowing it. So it's just then you 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:03.600 just gotta change up. 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:09.680 So let's say you have this you have this day 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:11.760 where you just you just did the things you mentioned. 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:14.000 You try to kind of find some of these first 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:19.360 additional sets of information, some edges a short pinch looking 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:22.680 more for those tracks. What about the rest of the year, 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:25.320 So walk me through kind of like a couple more 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:28.760 of those key projects here to get to try your 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:32.320 key goals you're going to try to achieve before opening day. 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:34.800 Given the fact that hey, this is a special buck, 0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:38.120 I've got some really important things already figured out about them. 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:41.120 But what are those next most important steps as you 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:44.080 try to build a plan for that buck given those 0:14:44.160 --> 0:14:45.280 challenges you just mentioned. 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:48.280 Yeah, gently, you know, I'm a big creek crossing fans, 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:50.600 so you can kind of associate that with, you know, 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:52.720 with buck betting. If you can find where he's crossed 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:54.800 or creek you know, or something like that, of course, 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:56.320 then Eden you got to figure out how to get 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:58.680 there and do that to play the thermal part of that. 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:00.640 You know, they're tim and on that real keys. 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:03.440 So but after when it started getting the pre rut ruts, 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:06.440 so they're gonna start expanding, you know, they're gonna start 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:08.400 laying scrape lines and all that stuff. 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:12.120 So looking at the overall picture, and this is my 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:12.960 favorite way. 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:15.440 To hunt, you know, is rot hunting is looking at 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:18.840 the big picture, you know, learning your area where all 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:21.040 the food sources at all worth, all the dough groups, 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:24.000 is that, where doe bedding is that at different times 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:26.760 because they change up, you know, associated with food sources, 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:29.480 or if you have some kind of timber chain cutovers 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:34.400 or you know, pine beetle kills stuff like that, so 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:38.080 so uh, trying to figure out how he would travel, 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:41.640 you know, to get to these areas to look for dose, 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:43.640 check for dose, make scrape lines and stuff like that, 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:46.720 and associate that with some kind of funnel edge, pinch, 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:50.800 timber chain, you know, timber chains a uh, you know 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:54.080 upper I really like the upper parts of stuff when 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:56.960 I'm doing that above draining, just you know, something that 0:15:57.000 --> 0:15:58.600 we're there for coming through there. They're gonna have to 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:01.040 manipulate their way through there, and then pick a tree 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:04.320 and make sure you can access it to this place, 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:06.840 mark all that stuff. And you don't find different areas 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:09.480 because there's because you've got to have. 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:10.400 More than one place. 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:13.680 But do the wind and do to your access or 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:17.360 if somebody else figures it out or you don't have 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:19.800 multiple plans on that, but trying to learn your area 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:24.360 and how the dose and everything manipulate their areas, and 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:26.240 then you try to figure out how bucks you know, 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:28.040 more than one is what I generally try to figure 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:30.640 out is how more than one buck we travel through 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:33.320 that area through the pants to go check those or 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:34.760 go check their areas or go. 0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:37.360 On them, meet up at night and spar and all 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:37.800 that stuff. 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:39.760 Just there's different things you got to kind of look at, 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:42.000 just trying to figure out how land learn it, how 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:44.280 they use it, and how they're gonna use it, and 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:46.040 also kind of pay attention. 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:48.840 To how things might change over. 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:51.440 The years as far as so we're big woods hunters 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:53.600 down here, so you got some kind of mass crop change, 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:57.400 drought stuff like that, how that's gonna affect what the 0:16:57.440 --> 0:16:58.200 area gonna be in. 0:16:58.360 --> 0:17:04.840 So how many different you know, setups would you want 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:07.600 to have for that kind of scenario you mentioned you 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:09.600 want to have these different options because things are changing. 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:13.040 Best case scenario, how many spots or setups would you 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:17.119 want to have kind of preset or at least in 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:21.520 mind and prepared to kind of tackle this this opportunity. 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:23.600 Yeah, so that's another thing. 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:25.920 And me and my wife are generally hunting together most 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:27.359 of the time, so we gotta have I gotta have 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:30.440 two of each. So and our general plan is, you know, 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:32.480 we're kind of tag team, and you know, if we're 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:34.640 looking at a ridge system or something, you know, something, 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:37.840 where how can I place her around me in this? 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:40.399 And hopefully if he one of these two ways, if 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:42.159 he's coming through this area that we can get a 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:44.760 better opportunity at him. So so you're going to have, 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:48.040 you know, generally side of the root areas that we 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:50.960 hunt because we kind of move around different chasing the root. 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:55.440 He's got a two week plan for each area, so 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:58.560 so I can spend if nobody's messing with anything, we 0:17:58.600 --> 0:18:02.919 can spend three to four days and one spot, you know, 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:06.520 just because you know, generally they don't. 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:07.240 Just come every day. 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:09.600 So you got tom especially down here in the morning 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:12.040 main area with hunts, it's a Lord Dear density, so 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:13.240 they got bigger travel routes. 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:14.840 It might take them three days to come back through 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:15.400 checking something. 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:18.080 So it's just so I was playing, I'll spend three 0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:21.440 days to four days and one tree, you know, you 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:25.200 know if it's morning generally, because she don't gonna hunt 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:26.159 mornings during the rough. 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:27.840 And I'm I'll have a different place where I'll hunted 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:28.439 in the evening. 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:32.200 So I pick out, say four spots per area per 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:34.840 for a week, and then have another different general area 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:37.119 I hold another five miles away, whatever it is, and 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:39.480 then we'll have four spots in them area so that 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:42.040 we can tag teams. So try to do that and 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:44.440 then every spring I'm always we're always looking for something new, 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:47.520 So I run trail cameras for a year ahead plan. 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:50.360 So it's always trying to look for something new as 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:51.600 far as that parts. 0:18:53.320 --> 0:18:55.880 Uh, when you're doing the scouting back to the back 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:59.280 to like uh, you know, you're figuring out one of 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:01.920 these cour zones and trying to trying to find these 0:19:01.920 --> 0:19:04.359 four spots and trying to find out the why and 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:04.879 the how. 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:06.680 How often? 0:19:06.880 --> 0:19:08.960 How many times can you go into a spot like 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:11.680 that in the off season trying to scout and figure 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:14.800 it out before you start worrying about spooking this buck 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:16.520 messing things up for the future. 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:17.159 Is it? 0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:18.120 Could you could you go in. 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:20.520 There every weekend for months on end or are you 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:22.880 much more concernedly, Hey, I've got I've got a couple 0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:24.200 of visits and then I got to stay out of 0:19:24.240 --> 0:19:24.960 there till the season. 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:27.119 Yeah. I can do whatever I want to mostly like 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:27.840 in a couple of days. 0:19:27.960 --> 0:19:30.879 So sometimes one day in the area because and what 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:32.600 I do, and you know, with these cameras and stuff, 0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:35.000 and this is contradict some people, is I'll put a 0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:36.680 camera where I want to hunt, so I kind of 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:38.120 figure out whey to put a camera with a deer 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:41.359 won't notice it in some kind of pints and having 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:43.720 a tree already picked out and a way to access 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:46.960 without any kind of interference or minimum interference, and then 0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:49.240 you know, while then that's it. 0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:51.600 I don't. I don't. I don't plumb around anywhere else 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:53.640 kind of looking there for that, and I just that's it. 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:56.800 So so finding that one little key spot and then 0:19:56.840 --> 0:19:59.639 don't mess around doing anything else, you know, bedding stuff. 0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:01.119 You know, I say, all right, I'm pretty sure that's 0:20:01.119 --> 0:20:04.080 started there. I found something some kind of sign there. 0:20:04.359 --> 0:20:08.080 I don't film getting into them areas very minimum. If 0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:09.800 I walk through on that one time one day, that's 0:20:09.920 --> 0:20:12.000 it out. Don't ever go back through there until after 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:14.159 the next season, because I want to keep all. 0:20:14.000 --> 0:20:15.320 That intrusion very minimal. 0:20:15.480 --> 0:20:28.320 So so I want to I want to kind of 0:20:28.760 --> 0:20:33.479 build further off of this. Let's imagine that you are now, 0:20:33.800 --> 0:20:35.600 I guess, let me let me shift my thoughts here. 0:20:36.400 --> 0:20:39.040 Let's put you somewhere else. You're on a new piece 0:20:39.040 --> 0:20:42.960 of public land you've never been to before, and you 0:20:43.280 --> 0:20:47.080 are hiking out there. You spent a couple of hours, 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:50.800 you're year an hour three and you come across something 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:54.280 that looks like I've referred to you, I've heard you 0:20:54.320 --> 0:20:56.680 refer to it as a junction, like a very high 0:20:56.680 --> 0:21:01.159 potential junction. There's a bunch of different ridges all coming together, 0:21:01.760 --> 0:21:04.040 and each one of these ridges has a different cover type. 0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:07.399 So one's got some pines, one's got some mixed hardwoods, 0:21:07.440 --> 0:21:10.199 maybe one's kind of a cutover. It's all coming together 0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:15.199 here in one relatively small zone. How what would you 0:21:15.280 --> 0:21:17.720 do to make sense of that? How would you how 0:21:17.720 --> 0:21:21.439 would you analyze this kind of setup? How would you 0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:23.680 learn as much as you possibly could in this little 0:21:23.680 --> 0:21:26.200 bit of time you have there? And then how would 0:21:26.240 --> 0:21:28.240 you think of setting up on a spot like that 0:21:28.359 --> 0:21:30.160 and feel free to fill in the gaps with some 0:21:30.280 --> 0:21:33.440 other hypothetical information, you know, to make it make sense 0:21:33.440 --> 0:21:34.960 to well, you. 0:21:34.960 --> 0:21:37.119 Know, most of time like traveling new areas, you know, 0:21:37.480 --> 0:21:39.159 especially out of state. You know, I'm starting to do 0:21:39.200 --> 0:21:42.960 that more now. It's it's home, will say, easy. But 0:21:43.040 --> 0:21:48.360 it's easier than here because they're more so food oriented 0:21:49.320 --> 0:21:53.280 and more visible, you know, So so finding a junction 0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:56.480 of you know, because they i'd say, I'd say Kansas 0:21:56.920 --> 0:21:59.119 or are I or something like that. You got a 0:21:59.160 --> 0:22:01.320 real diverse way that they're going to bed anywhere. For 0:22:01.760 --> 0:22:05.760 the crpe stuff, cedars and all that, you can kind 0:22:05.760 --> 0:22:08.000 of see them and you can kind of see the 0:22:08.000 --> 0:22:11.360 crops and then you can see fingers or drawers or. 0:22:11.320 --> 0:22:13.679 Points and stuff going to that stuff. So just finding a. 0:22:15.880 --> 0:22:18.080 Pinch or edge how they're getting it, getting it done 0:22:18.080 --> 0:22:19.440 in two places and then kind of been a little 0:22:19.440 --> 0:22:20.920 patient makes that a little bit simpler. 0:22:21.119 --> 0:22:22.840 And of course you need fresh sign for that. 0:22:22.960 --> 0:22:25.600 So that's so when I'm generally going to a new place, 0:22:26.240 --> 0:22:31.200 you know, fresh tracks, fresh dropping deer, in visible deer. 0:22:31.640 --> 0:22:34.200 You know sometimes you know, uh what you call. 0:22:35.760 --> 0:22:38.960 Observation sets or glassing or something like that, because you know, 0:22:39.000 --> 0:22:42.119 scouting is very important going into a new area in 0:22:42.320 --> 0:22:45.160 season scouting it's a whole different thing. So you've got 0:22:45.160 --> 0:22:48.920 to find the exact fresh sign associated with deer or 0:22:48.960 --> 0:22:52.080 the deer you want right then. So you can be 0:22:52.119 --> 0:22:55.080 a little bit more like I guess say intrus to 0:22:55.160 --> 0:22:58.399 that point. But but you gotta most of times I 0:22:58.440 --> 0:22:59.920 do that when I find I wanting to my hunting 0:23:00.160 --> 0:23:03.800 right then. So so it's kind of I mean, I 0:23:03.800 --> 0:23:06.000 love doing that. Now you going that west and stuff, 0:23:06.000 --> 0:23:08.960 it's just finding the freshest sign. You know, betting is 0:23:08.960 --> 0:23:11.320 a little bit easier to figure out, and then the 0:23:11.359 --> 0:23:13.320 food is definitely easier to figure out. 0:23:13.359 --> 0:23:18.640 So okay, so let's actually let's let's continue on that line. 0:23:18.720 --> 0:23:23.560 Let's say you've got all right, I'm going to give 0:23:23.560 --> 0:23:26.480 you an option here. Would you rather play this game 0:23:26.800 --> 0:23:30.640 in Alabama or a random Midwest. 0:23:30.240 --> 0:23:35.080 State that's easy? Around on Midwest state? Easy? Okay, Obama? 0:23:35.240 --> 0:23:37.320 The place is the public land down in Alabama or 0:23:37.400 --> 0:23:39.159 most of it, you know, some of it's easier. Some 0:23:39.200 --> 0:23:41.840 of us got more cuts, you know, in a higher 0:23:41.880 --> 0:23:44.080 deer population that that means a lot. 0:23:44.160 --> 0:23:46.800 But you know, of course the Midwest. 0:23:46.480 --> 0:23:50.639 You know, they're just there's less woods, one thing, and 0:23:50.760 --> 0:23:55.119 the daylight activity is ten thousand times more than Alabama. 0:23:55.359 --> 0:23:58.040 And in my opinion, now, I mean, we got places 0:23:58.160 --> 0:23:59.720 we can see playing there. But saying a big old 0:23:59.760 --> 0:24:02.320 Buck on around daylight all the time, or multiple big 0:24:02.320 --> 0:24:06.440 Bucks in Alabama, no, I mean, well, let's say, for instance, 0:24:06.520 --> 0:24:08.040 last year I was in Iowa, Asty and I've seen 0:24:08.080 --> 0:24:09.720 two of the biggest Bucks I've ever seen in my life. 0:24:09.760 --> 0:24:12.160 And then in a ten days period and ten day 0:24:12.200 --> 0:24:15.320 period in the daylight and it takes me fifty years 0:24:15.320 --> 0:24:15.840 in Alabama. 0:24:16.119 --> 0:24:20.680 Yeah, I mean, so it's just and that's so exciting 0:24:20.800 --> 0:24:21.159 doing that. 0:24:21.400 --> 0:24:24.240 And so it's it's almost again I almost say easy, 0:24:24.280 --> 0:24:26.800 but it's definitely easier to see daylight movement. 0:24:26.920 --> 0:24:29.160 So so and then make a plan. Is a lot 0:24:29.200 --> 0:24:31.320 easier to me, weather not. 0:24:31.480 --> 0:24:34.960 So so, So imagine this. Then imagine that I'm going 0:24:35.040 --> 0:24:37.040 to give you this dream scenario. I'm gonna let you 0:24:37.080 --> 0:24:39.879 go to Iowa, Okay, but I'm giving you only twenty 0:24:39.880 --> 0:24:43.639 four hours or you're you're gonna get dropped off just 0:24:44.000 --> 0:24:47.920 before daylight in the morning, and you have that that 0:24:47.960 --> 0:24:49.840 you have till dark at the end of the day 0:24:50.280 --> 0:24:53.160 to do any scouting you want, any set up you want, 0:24:53.240 --> 0:24:54.480 in any hunting you want. 0:24:55.600 --> 0:24:56.800 How would you use this? 0:24:56.920 --> 0:24:57.080 You know? 0:24:57.119 --> 0:24:58.920 I mean, and we're gonna say this is in season, 0:24:59.119 --> 0:25:01.600 you know, let's let's put you in the rut. So 0:25:01.800 --> 0:25:04.440 you've got maybe like twelve hours of daylight, thirteen hours 0:25:04.440 --> 0:25:07.680 of daylight something like that. Walk me through how you 0:25:07.720 --> 0:25:11.440 would use those hours to find a spot, to set 0:25:11.520 --> 0:25:13.200 up a spot, to hunt a spot. Are you gonna 0:25:13.240 --> 0:25:15.679 go and just look at a map before daylight and 0:25:15.720 --> 0:25:17.400 pick a spot and go in and hunt all twelve 0:25:17.440 --> 0:25:18.959 of those hours or are you going to go scout 0:25:19.000 --> 0:25:21.560 the first half of the day walking around Walk me 0:25:21.640 --> 0:25:22.600 through this hypothetic. 0:25:22.720 --> 0:25:23.560 What would you do. 0:25:24.600 --> 0:25:26.439 I'm definitely not walking in anywhere in the dark and 0:25:26.440 --> 0:25:28.600 climbing up. That's very rare for me to do. I 0:25:28.640 --> 0:25:31.280 want to see something in the daylight first, so kind 0:25:31.280 --> 0:25:33.119 of looking at me, have some fining edges, you know, 0:25:33.240 --> 0:25:35.959 see rphs and cedar edge and stuff associated with some 0:25:36.040 --> 0:25:39.560 kind of food in that area. Corn is the biggest 0:25:39.560 --> 0:25:42.040 thing for me. I'm going out in places corns even 0:25:42.080 --> 0:25:44.320 standing corn over the beans to me. 0:25:44.600 --> 0:25:46.840 And then as soon as I can get to the in. 0:25:46.800 --> 0:25:49.639 Place and walk walk corners, low spots and all that, 0:25:49.680 --> 0:25:51.919 trying to find a big track coming out, and then 0:25:51.960 --> 0:25:54.040 it won't take you know, really long for me to 0:25:54.080 --> 0:25:55.840 figure out the way to where I'm gonna set up 0:25:55.840 --> 0:25:59.400 at and then spend that time in edge and corners. 0:25:59.119 --> 0:26:01.440 Associated with see it rpeers, cedars. 0:26:01.040 --> 0:26:05.440 Coming out to corn and then you know, and hoping 0:26:05.440 --> 0:26:07.200 that the butt's gonna be running the et C RP 0:26:07.440 --> 0:26:10.800 edges or the cedar edges you know associated with the corn, 0:26:10.920 --> 0:26:13.000 you know, checking for dover the chection dough. So it's 0:26:13.040 --> 0:26:17.640 just tying them maybe three things together, finding some good corners, 0:26:18.000 --> 0:26:20.840 low spots, and then finding me a thing tree. 0:26:20.920 --> 0:26:25.840 So what if I what if I pulled pulled your 0:26:26.040 --> 0:26:28.840 lucky four leaf clover out of there, and you couldn't 0:26:28.880 --> 0:26:31.440 be an islands anymore and instead you gotta be back 0:26:31.440 --> 0:26:35.720 in Alabama. So the same rules, same scenario, but now 0:26:35.760 --> 0:26:38.359 it's a new piece of public land in Alabama. What 0:26:38.400 --> 0:26:40.280 would be different anything? 0:26:41.200 --> 0:26:44.919 Well, no, well we don't have that the corner or anything. 0:26:45.040 --> 0:26:48.840 So just you know, associating pine, if I can find pine, 0:26:48.880 --> 0:26:55.720 associate pines, you don't see a smz's you know, associated 0:26:55.720 --> 0:26:59.560 with pines and then cut over cut over the key, so. 0:27:01.160 --> 0:27:03.840 You know that's it's it's gonna make it harder. And 0:27:03.840 --> 0:27:04.760 i'bamine I know that. 0:27:04.880 --> 0:27:06.720 So we going looking at the map stuff and then 0:27:06.960 --> 0:27:11.239 then been trying to find you know, guessing only if 0:27:11.240 --> 0:27:12.960 it's wide oaks or for th red oaks, you know 0:27:13.040 --> 0:27:16.080 if that or if it's just gonna be brows dove bed, 0:27:16.080 --> 0:27:20.600 and you know, figuring out if it's what wind is 0:27:20.640 --> 0:27:23.000 the wind is on the cutover, and how you would 0:27:23.040 --> 0:27:24.880 hunt a card over on that wind. By that day, 0:27:25.000 --> 0:27:26.640 I mean you're going to look at that, so it's 0:27:26.720 --> 0:27:34.000 just and then maybe uh, that's you know again upper 0:27:34.040 --> 0:27:37.200 I love upper elevation on that stuff, so tying into 0:27:37.200 --> 0:27:39.879 elevation with that to to hunt him, and then of 0:27:39.880 --> 0:27:42.440 course fresh track and trailer jumping there. I mean sometimes 0:27:42.440 --> 0:27:44.639 you just walk looking there as you jump there and 0:27:44.680 --> 0:27:46.320 then kind of figure out a plan that you know 0:27:46.359 --> 0:27:47.359 they're right there in that area. 0:27:47.480 --> 0:27:51.720 So you talked earlier about creek crossings, how you really 0:27:51.840 --> 0:27:55.440 like to focus on creek crossings? Can can you maybe 0:27:55.520 --> 0:27:58.080 break that down a little bit further? Imagine let's put 0:27:58.160 --> 0:28:01.560 you last week of October and you're kind of in 0:28:01.600 --> 0:28:03.040 a scenario like we're talking about here. 0:28:03.119 --> 0:28:03.879 It's a new spot. 0:28:04.480 --> 0:28:07.520 You're hiking along, doing some scouting as you go in season, 0:28:07.960 --> 0:28:11.240 and you come across this really nice looking creek bottom. 0:28:11.880 --> 0:28:15.720 Let's say it's a relatively narrow bottom, but there's a 0:28:15.800 --> 0:28:18.720 beaten down trail crossing the creek there, and it's the 0:28:18.880 --> 0:28:21.919 best concentration of deer sign you've seen yet throughout your 0:28:22.000 --> 0:28:25.640 day of exploring this new spot. Just just pounded down 0:28:25.840 --> 0:28:29.880 tracks and let's say there's one big rub right down 0:28:29.960 --> 0:28:30.439 the bottom. 0:28:30.680 --> 0:28:32.119 So that's what you've got to work with here. 0:28:33.440 --> 0:28:36.439 How would you determine if this is a spot worth hunting, 0:28:37.160 --> 0:28:40.080 and then how would you set up in a location 0:28:40.480 --> 0:28:40.720 like that? 0:28:42.760 --> 0:28:44.600 Well, look at I'm gonna look at the rubs start with, 0:28:44.640 --> 0:28:46.920 and you know, say which direction I come from, hopefully, 0:28:46.960 --> 0:28:49.880 and then kind of figuring out if it's bed in 0:28:50.080 --> 0:28:52.680 which side I would think being associated with foods, If 0:28:52.720 --> 0:28:55.840 it's a real marow bottom of tight creek cross from, 0:28:55.840 --> 0:28:59.000 then where you got extreme elevation? I know automatically, I'm 0:28:59.000 --> 0:29:00.840 not gonna hunt none that I'm closer to that creek 0:29:00.880 --> 0:29:04.280 crossing because the swirl stuff is it's hard to control. 0:29:04.400 --> 0:29:06.920 So so I'm gonna try to find an elevation part 0:29:07.000 --> 0:29:10.480 to that, you know, and the edge, so you know, 0:29:10.680 --> 0:29:15.200 looking how if that rub is fresh, you know, it's 0:29:15.240 --> 0:29:17.920 gonna help me determine a little bit, you know, hoping 0:29:18.000 --> 0:29:20.320 I might see more than one rub that's you know, 0:29:20.720 --> 0:29:22.560 maybe historical rubs associated with that. 0:29:23.160 --> 0:29:25.880 I'm gonna hunt higher up, closer to an edge. 0:29:25.800 --> 0:29:27.720 Or maybe if it looks like some kind of pinch, 0:29:27.840 --> 0:29:30.320 maybe some kind of gap or something, I'm gonna figure 0:29:30.320 --> 0:29:32.160 out a way to hunt higher up on that. You know, 0:29:32.960 --> 0:29:35.400 in fact, trails like you said, beat down and got 0:29:35.480 --> 0:29:37.600 fresh tracks in it. You can tell where the where 0:29:37.600 --> 0:29:39.720 the ground has been cut smooth, you know it's not 0:29:39.920 --> 0:29:42.480 war or kind of faded. Then you know it's a 0:29:42.520 --> 0:29:45.200 hot trail. I'm figuring out way to hunt somehow or other. So, 0:29:46.080 --> 0:29:47.680 you know, and some of this stuff, you know, like 0:29:47.760 --> 0:29:51.040 you know, he's saying dropping in scenarios. If I've got 0:29:51.120 --> 0:29:53.320 time to walk around and drive around whatever. You also, 0:29:53.320 --> 0:29:55.200 I'm gonna look and see how people is affecting some 0:29:55.280 --> 0:29:57.360 of that stuff too, you know, so it's just if 0:29:57.360 --> 0:29:58.560 they're parked or what. 0:29:58.840 --> 0:30:01.280 So you got to kind of play it. And some 0:30:01.360 --> 0:30:02.200 of this stuff you're. 0:30:02.080 --> 0:30:05.840 Doing, you mentioned, you know, if it's a narrow type 0:30:05.880 --> 0:30:07.680 bottom like that, you would try to get off of 0:30:07.760 --> 0:30:10.560 it aways, get higher, get to where the wind's safe. 0:30:11.040 --> 0:30:13.880 Would you still try to be within sight of that 0:30:14.040 --> 0:30:15.760 creek crossing or not? 0:30:15.920 --> 0:30:16.480 Always know? 0:30:17.320 --> 0:30:19.400 Just know that you know that, you know, and I 0:30:19.840 --> 0:30:23.080 use that kind of bake sometimes. Is that's creek crossing. 0:30:23.120 --> 0:30:24.920 I really love tiny end and creek crossing with a 0:30:24.960 --> 0:30:27.560 couple other things. You know, a gap or some kind 0:30:27.560 --> 0:30:30.280 of secondary points or a bunch of secondary points, you know, 0:30:30.400 --> 0:30:32.960 some ridge system, maybe a food source. 0:30:32.800 --> 0:30:36.080 Or maybe a cutover. But how they're why they're crossing there. 0:30:36.080 --> 0:30:38.560 And then the next thing why they're crossing the are 0:30:38.680 --> 0:30:40.720 what they're usually get to that area. So if it's 0:30:40.720 --> 0:30:43.040 a shelf, it's some kind of crazy edge, I mean 0:30:43.680 --> 0:30:46.480 looking for other little funnels, you know, because you know, 0:30:47.000 --> 0:30:49.000 you know, if you go on huntre creek crossing close, 0:30:49.560 --> 0:30:51.000 you know the best time to do it in eatning. 0:30:51.080 --> 0:30:52.720 You don't want the thermos start pulling down, you don't 0:30:52.800 --> 0:30:54.680 you try to stay on the down stream side of 0:30:54.720 --> 0:30:56.880 the trail because of that, what moving water's gonna. 0:30:56.640 --> 0:30:58.640 Pull your scent, so help with that. 0:30:58.880 --> 0:31:02.360 So but and then especially as as the most majority 0:31:02.360 --> 0:31:04.520 of times I'm doing this type of hunting is a 0:31:04.640 --> 0:31:05.960 buff upper elevation. 0:31:07.720 --> 0:31:11.480 How how wide would a bottom have to be for 0:31:11.600 --> 0:31:14.280 you to actually feel comfortable hunting close to it? 0:31:14.560 --> 0:31:17.920 Down in there with it? Are we talking fifty yards wide? 0:31:19.200 --> 0:31:20.360 Five hundred yards wide? 0:31:20.440 --> 0:31:22.880 Like, what's enough for you not to be worried about 0:31:23.120 --> 0:31:24.760 funky swirling winds and stuff like that? 0:31:25.480 --> 0:31:27.160 Going to have to be one hundred yards probably a 0:31:27.240 --> 0:31:30.080 wider or a big creek, you know, a big creek 0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:32.880 will with moving water will help to an extent, you know. So, 0:31:33.880 --> 0:31:35.960 but it's got to be pretty wide and so for 0:31:36.040 --> 0:31:38.120 me to do it in the morning or have some 0:31:38.320 --> 0:31:41.320 kind of crazy high, high moving wind. You know, I 0:31:41.520 --> 0:31:44.600 like wind your days. It's a high constant wind, you know, 0:31:45.040 --> 0:31:47.360 like a front system, you can play. 0:31:47.240 --> 0:31:48.200 It a lot easier. 0:31:48.240 --> 0:31:52.200 And so okay, yeah, you're having them relaxing winds, know 0:31:52.200 --> 0:31:55.400 what I'm saying, relaxing winds, and it just you're saying 0:31:55.400 --> 0:31:57.760 it just flood, it just blows out. 0:31:57.920 --> 0:32:01.200 So yeah, did you meant you said that if it's 0:32:01.240 --> 0:32:04.120 a bigger creek or bigger stream or river you're more comfortable. 0:32:04.240 --> 0:32:08.360 Is that because you've seen the your scent kind of 0:32:08.440 --> 0:32:10.560 go with the current of the of the stream in 0:32:10.600 --> 0:32:12.680 the past. I've seen something like that too, Is that 0:32:12.680 --> 0:32:13.200 what you're saying? 0:32:13.440 --> 0:32:16.120 Yeah, you check up pretty easy with milk way and stuff. 0:32:16.160 --> 0:32:19.200 It's just it's amazing how how moving water and the 0:32:19.360 --> 0:32:22.040 water it is. The more that current something it just pulled, 0:32:22.080 --> 0:32:24.880 the more air, more volume air. When you like standing 0:32:24.920 --> 0:32:26.600 there most time you won't even feel it, but you 0:32:26.680 --> 0:32:28.360 drop some milk way and it's coming down hitting that 0:32:28.400 --> 0:32:28.880 and has gone. 0:32:29.000 --> 0:32:32.960 So yeah, all right, I want to return back to 0:32:33.120 --> 0:32:36.120 this giant buck that you've got the match sets now 0:32:36.280 --> 0:32:38.560 sitting on the shelf in your house, we'll say, and 0:32:38.960 --> 0:32:41.120 you've been looking at that match set day after day 0:32:41.200 --> 0:32:44.600 after day. You went in there, you did that preseason work, 0:32:44.880 --> 0:32:47.600 you found all your spots. You and your wife are 0:32:47.800 --> 0:32:50.760 are set. You guys are gonna you're gonna get this deer. 0:32:51.360 --> 0:32:55.640 But when the season opens, you're about to go head 0:32:55.680 --> 0:32:58.960 in for opening day, let's say, to your spot or 0:32:59.040 --> 0:33:00.920 whenever the first time is that you decide you think 0:33:00.920 --> 0:33:02.360 you've got a good chance of this buck, and you're 0:33:02.400 --> 0:33:05.400 going to head in there. And as you start approaching 0:33:05.480 --> 0:33:09.400 this zone, first trailhead you go by, there's several trucks. 0:33:09.480 --> 0:33:11.320 Now you get to the next trailhead or the next 0:33:11.400 --> 0:33:13.720 parking area close to where you hunt want to hunt, 0:33:13.840 --> 0:33:16.480 there's several trucks, and you end up finding as you 0:33:16.600 --> 0:33:19.640 head into your spot that all of the different access 0:33:19.720 --> 0:33:23.440 points in this zone seem to be you know, multiple people. 0:33:23.960 --> 0:33:25.920 There seems to be more folks than you would typically 0:33:25.960 --> 0:33:28.800 expect in this area, and maybe you start thinking, huh, 0:33:28.920 --> 0:33:30.680 I might not be the only person who knows about 0:33:30.680 --> 0:33:31.080 this buck. 0:33:32.320 --> 0:33:32.920 What do you do? 0:33:33.440 --> 0:33:35.680 Do you just go hunt your plan just as you 0:33:35.760 --> 0:33:37.760 were planning on it, or are you now going to 0:33:37.840 --> 0:33:39.800 have to pivot or rethink what you're gonna do. 0:33:40.360 --> 0:33:44.640 Yeah, genterally, you know, that's part of the postag and stuff. 0:33:44.640 --> 0:33:47.960 I don't the easy spots or the more common spots 0:33:48.000 --> 0:33:49.840 that people would hit, you know, that's I'll kind of 0:33:49.920 --> 0:33:52.800 rule them out automatically, you know, And that's you know experience. 0:33:52.880 --> 0:33:55.560 So well, there's never a time that I'll pull into 0:33:55.560 --> 0:33:58.200 a place in their first five vehicles ten vehicles where 0:33:58.200 --> 0:33:59.880 I won't go ahead and park gently. 0:34:00.000 --> 0:34:00.800 We're gonna be pretty early. 0:34:00.840 --> 0:34:03.560 We only got you know, you only got a certain 0:34:03.600 --> 0:34:06.000 amount of days for these prime hunting days. Okay, So 0:34:06.280 --> 0:34:09.000 I'm not gonna give that up for nobody spot because generally, 0:34:09.160 --> 0:34:13.640 like you know, where we are at a parking area 0:34:13.719 --> 0:34:14.280 that suckers. 0:34:14.719 --> 0:34:17.480 The access is three miles or more of whatever. You 0:34:17.640 --> 0:34:18.560 get huge woods. 0:34:18.600 --> 0:34:20.359 So the chance you walk it up on somebody, yeah 0:34:20.360 --> 0:34:22.839 it's possible, it's kind of slim. So we're gonna get 0:34:22.840 --> 0:34:24.640 out and we're gonna head our head our way, walking 0:34:24.719 --> 0:34:26.759 the iron half whatever it is, two hours before dark. 0:34:27.200 --> 0:34:29.759 If we run into flashlight, I'll never go in front 0:34:29.760 --> 0:34:30.960 of somebody's flashlight. 0:34:31.080 --> 0:34:33.759 I mean, that's I just hope, I hope nobody would 0:34:33.760 --> 0:34:34.320 do me like that. 0:34:34.560 --> 0:34:37.200 But just pull back and go to a different cause 0:34:37.200 --> 0:34:40.320 we'll have back up areas, back up spots in them areas, 0:34:40.719 --> 0:34:42.719 and just move to the next in that spot. And 0:34:42.800 --> 0:34:44.759 I'm not gonna give up that spot because there's four 0:34:44.840 --> 0:34:49.160 vehicles pen or whatever they're because because you got anything 0:34:49.280 --> 0:34:52.840 can happen. The more people sometimes will help you, you know, 0:34:52.920 --> 0:34:56.080 as far as you know, dear movement. So because generally 0:34:56.760 --> 0:34:59.000 you know, I don't know, I don't know exactly where 0:34:59.000 --> 0:35:01.840 you're running out of whatever in the south, you know, 0:35:02.520 --> 0:35:05.960 gently by then them days, the rut, you've already had 0:35:06.080 --> 0:35:12.040 a month of pressure. So the normal walking around like 0:35:12.160 --> 0:35:15.279 nothing's going on, dear movement is very mental, you know, 0:35:15.560 --> 0:35:18.400 because they've already smelt all that stuff, I know, so 0:35:18.400 --> 0:35:21.200 they're in their kind of slafe area. So the rut 0:35:21.320 --> 0:35:24.160 is what you're keying in on. Then, So that kind 0:35:24.200 --> 0:35:26.800 of chasing movement you'll have that. Then you'll have the 0:35:26.920 --> 0:35:29.120 people that walk around that can't stand to sit long 0:35:29.280 --> 0:35:31.640 or they're gonna move around anyway, that opportunity of a 0:35:31.719 --> 0:35:34.560 pushing So I'm never gonna give up an area just 0:35:34.600 --> 0:35:36.640 because whatever bibles apart there. 0:35:36.560 --> 0:35:40.719 So all right, what if you win. In you get 0:35:40.760 --> 0:35:43.120 to your spot, you didn't see any flashlights in there. 0:35:43.600 --> 0:35:47.920 It's looking good. Daylight is just kind of arriving. Things 0:35:48.000 --> 0:35:51.160 are shifting from shadows to actual real things that you 0:35:51.280 --> 0:35:54.480 can see. You're feeling great, the wind's perfect, it's a 0:35:54.560 --> 0:35:55.440 nice cool morning. 0:35:55.840 --> 0:35:56.520 And then you hear. 0:36:00.000 --> 0:36:02.239 You're looking over there waiting for that big old buck, 0:36:02.560 --> 0:36:06.359 and then you instead see a hunter. And then hunter 0:36:06.480 --> 0:36:10.959 comes walking in, walks past you and goes on back 0:36:11.000 --> 0:36:13.680 into the good stuff. That's let's let's say that's behind you. 0:36:13.800 --> 0:36:17.440 He keeps on going through, pushing into new country. Does 0:36:17.480 --> 0:36:20.480 that change your plans at all? Or or what do 0:36:20.640 --> 0:36:22.880 you do in that scenario when another hunter comes past 0:36:22.960 --> 0:36:25.680 you and then pushes into untouched country. 0:36:27.040 --> 0:36:27.839 Most of you don't. 0:36:28.719 --> 0:36:31.160 If they're going and interfering where I think there's gonna 0:36:31.160 --> 0:36:33.759 come from whatever, I'm gonna try to whistle that I'm 0:36:33.760 --> 0:36:35.799 gonna crow call them, and then try to stop them 0:36:35.800 --> 0:36:38.440 from going that way. If they don't stop, then they 0:36:38.480 --> 0:36:41.800 go that way. Most of the time, I'm we're hunting 0:36:41.880 --> 0:36:44.800 some kind of multiple hoob things. I'm just gonna just 0:36:44.920 --> 0:36:47.279 deal with it. That day I might make some kind 0:36:47.280 --> 0:36:49.160 of plan to move the next day of that day. Up, 0:36:49.239 --> 0:36:51.439 I'm not gonna let that part interfere with my hunt. 0:36:51.600 --> 0:36:53.759 So I'm just gonna let them go on if they 0:36:53.880 --> 0:36:56.279 do that. So, but I am gonna try to stop them. 0:36:56.320 --> 0:36:58.480 You know, I've had people walk by me several times, 0:36:58.680 --> 0:37:01.239 I mean over the years without them without him knowing 0:37:01.280 --> 0:37:03.759 I'm there as well, they're not interfering more where I'm 0:37:04.160 --> 0:37:05.279 my key area or whatever it is. 0:37:05.280 --> 0:37:06.640 I don't let them know why I'm there because I 0:37:06.680 --> 0:37:07.640 don't want to know I'm there. 0:37:07.719 --> 0:37:11.160 So, but if they're gonna go into the dang bed 0:37:11.320 --> 0:37:13.680 there or go toward a bed in there I think, 0:37:13.800 --> 0:37:15.799 or the actual walk in the trail that I'm thinking 0:37:15.840 --> 0:37:17.600 the deer is gonna come from, I'm gonna try to stop. 0:37:17.880 --> 0:37:19.920 If not, then I'm gonna deal with it that day 0:37:20.000 --> 0:37:22.040 because they could you know, a buck. 0:37:22.760 --> 0:37:24.439 One of the key things about the buck getting jumped, 0:37:24.440 --> 0:37:27.319 he love doubling back, you know, and figuring out how 0:37:27.400 --> 0:37:28.239 somebody come in there. 0:37:28.400 --> 0:37:30.879 So I'm I'm going to deal with it for that day. 0:37:31.040 --> 0:37:33.160 So so when you say deal with that, you mean 0:37:33.200 --> 0:37:34.759 like you're gonna stick it out, You'll stay in that 0:37:34.840 --> 0:37:35.839 place for the rest of that day. 0:37:36.000 --> 0:37:39.400 Okay, so what about the next day? Does that? 0:37:39.640 --> 0:37:39.840 Does it? 0:37:40.160 --> 0:37:42.960 If would you still think, like, if this is your place, 0:37:43.040 --> 0:37:44.759 if you really like this, and you said earlier you 0:37:44.800 --> 0:37:46.480 know you might hunt a spot three days in a row, 0:37:47.719 --> 0:37:50.760 would you just assume he went in there, he probably 0:37:50.840 --> 0:37:53.000 mucked it up. For day two, I'm gonna go to 0:37:53.280 --> 0:37:56.520 option B. Or would you go back and hope he 0:37:56.560 --> 0:37:57.120 doesn't return? 0:37:57.960 --> 0:38:01.000 And most time in these area like this, I know 0:38:01.200 --> 0:38:03.560 how anybody you know you want you know, unless why 0:38:03.560 --> 0:38:05.759 I'm out west or something like that. I know how 0:38:05.840 --> 0:38:07.560 that somebody's gonna get in there and how they gonna 0:38:07.560 --> 0:38:10.000 get out so gently, so I'll have an idea if 0:38:10.320 --> 0:38:12.400 they if they walk in and walk back out, the 0:38:12.480 --> 0:38:14.560 possibility they had a stand or something. But if they 0:38:14.680 --> 0:38:16.480 walk through and you don't see them again, they're just 0:38:16.600 --> 0:38:20.160 doing some kind of walk about, so so that that'll 0:38:20.200 --> 0:38:21.840 give you an evidence on what you want to do. 0:38:21.880 --> 0:38:23.719 And if they walk straight in and they walk and 0:38:23.719 --> 0:38:25.759 they're coming back out at dark or whatever, and then 0:38:25.800 --> 0:38:27.880 I know, well, if somebody's got a stand or something, 0:38:27.960 --> 0:38:29.799 that might change my plan. But if I don't see 0:38:29.840 --> 0:38:32.120 them anymore that day and I know they're just doing 0:38:32.160 --> 0:38:32.759 a circle fluid. 0:38:32.760 --> 0:38:33.480 I don't worry about it. 0:38:33.600 --> 0:38:39.600 So okay, all right, let's imagine then another scenario here. 0:38:39.680 --> 0:38:44.919 Let's let's pivot a little bit. It's it's the rut. 0:38:45.360 --> 0:38:48.400 You're hunting again, one of these WA's somewhere down there 0:38:48.480 --> 0:38:52.440 by you, and you have a plan. You have a 0:38:52.520 --> 0:38:54.879 spot picked out, you and your wife are out there. 0:38:54.960 --> 0:38:57.799 You're tagg team in and you've put in your full 0:38:57.920 --> 0:39:01.640 three days in a location, and you feel all your 0:39:01.680 --> 0:39:06.160 preseason scouting, all the work it made you really strongly 0:39:06.280 --> 0:39:08.080 believe that this is a spot. But you put in 0:39:08.160 --> 0:39:11.560 a full three days there and you saw nothing but 0:39:11.920 --> 0:39:13.320 a few dos and young bucks. 0:39:13.560 --> 0:39:15.040 But this is like the spot. 0:39:15.120 --> 0:39:17.480 Maybe this is like the best zone right near where 0:39:17.560 --> 0:39:21.960 this jumbo buck sign had been found. What are you 0:39:22.080 --> 0:39:23.919 doing at the end of day three when you're trying 0:39:23.920 --> 0:39:25.440 to decide, you know, what do. 0:39:25.480 --> 0:39:27.719 I do next? What's my game plan for day four? 0:39:28.680 --> 0:39:30.759 I've heard you say in the past that you know, 0:39:30.960 --> 0:39:34.879 every day that passes while you're sitting on a good rut, 0:39:34.960 --> 0:39:38.239 funnel or location without seeing a good buck, you feel 0:39:38.280 --> 0:39:41.560 better about your chances coming up. Is that Is that 0:39:41.760 --> 0:39:44.000 still the case when you get to two three days 0:39:44.040 --> 0:39:45.880 in and it's still been slow. What do you do 0:39:45.920 --> 0:39:46.520 in that scenario? 0:39:46.880 --> 0:39:50.440 Yeah, you know again, that's most of these if it's 0:39:50.520 --> 0:39:52.759 on the area that I'm known, you know, you know 0:39:52.800 --> 0:39:54.680 which out west is gonna be a little bit different. 0:39:54.800 --> 0:39:58.640 But in Alabama or somewhere I'm hunting or I'm familiar 0:39:58.640 --> 0:40:01.680 with that land and I'm using trail camera pictured or 0:40:01.760 --> 0:40:04.600 data from the previous season, what action I got these days? 0:40:04.719 --> 0:40:06.839 Kind of figured out when the most movement is coming through, 0:40:07.560 --> 0:40:09.759 I'll give it seven days in a row. I mean, 0:40:09.800 --> 0:40:13.000 without bothering men be I will, you know, being older 0:40:13.080 --> 0:40:16.560 and I guess been more patient now in the years 0:40:16.600 --> 0:40:18.719 I've experienced that I've got or with the area that 0:40:18.800 --> 0:40:22.480 we hunt that I just low my plan and my 0:40:22.560 --> 0:40:25.240 wife's planning our plan that we're not going to deviate 0:40:25.360 --> 0:40:29.480 because making a plan and then changing their mind mid 0:40:29.600 --> 0:40:32.560 season about how you're gonna do something and it don't work, 0:40:32.600 --> 0:40:35.160 you're gonna be show enough matter yourself or not sticking. 0:40:34.880 --> 0:40:35.359 With your plan. 0:40:35.800 --> 0:40:37.879 So if you stick with your plan it didn't work, well, 0:40:37.880 --> 0:40:40.040 I stuck with my planet didn't work. You know, I 0:40:40.160 --> 0:40:42.800 still got the rest of the season because most of 0:40:42.800 --> 0:40:45.560 the time these I want to be moving somewhere else. 0:40:45.640 --> 0:40:48.680 So it's not a guarantee. You know, it's it's hunting, 0:40:48.760 --> 0:40:50.759 it's not shooting. I just could say, and so it's 0:40:50.880 --> 0:40:53.239 just so, But I'm gonna stick with that plan because 0:40:53.320 --> 0:40:56.920 something else could have changed, and something I mean, of 0:40:56.960 --> 0:40:58.880 course you're gonna think of your mind, did some kind 0:40:58.920 --> 0:41:01.960 of food source or something and change and maybe you know, 0:41:02.120 --> 0:41:05.319 make a move. But but I mean generally, there all 0:41:05.360 --> 0:41:08.879 the camera dat of I've been running cameras for since 0:41:08.960 --> 0:41:13.239 back film days and say the last ten years or 0:41:13.320 --> 0:41:16.239 more of me kind of doing a pattern to know 0:41:16.480 --> 0:41:19.880 that most of the daytime buck moved and where I 0:41:20.000 --> 0:41:21.520 hunt at is gonna be over a week or two 0:41:21.560 --> 0:41:22.880 span during the. 0:41:22.920 --> 0:41:27.320 Rut or pre rut, and that after that, you know, 0:41:27.480 --> 0:41:28.000 there's nothing. 0:41:28.080 --> 0:41:30.840 So it's just so, I just I'm gonna spend that 0:41:30.960 --> 0:41:33.160 time in the mirror, stayed with my plan, and if 0:41:33.160 --> 0:41:35.440 I don't see one, I've had my plan. I might 0:41:35.480 --> 0:41:37.440 have been a might have been a holler off when 0:41:37.440 --> 0:41:40.480 it's possible, or just something else outside of my control 0:41:40.600 --> 0:41:43.080 or whatever could have happened. But what I can control 0:41:43.239 --> 0:41:45.080 and my plan I'm gonna stick with. So it's just 0:41:45.680 --> 0:41:47.839 and know that I give my best and not worried 0:41:47.840 --> 0:41:50.239 about that and just be ready to do the plan 0:41:50.360 --> 0:41:52.920 for next season. So, but I don't I don't like 0:41:53.080 --> 0:41:56.440 jumping around a bunch because generally these pinches these edges. 0:41:56.680 --> 0:41:58.200 Sooner or later they might let me be the bucking 0:41:58.280 --> 0:41:59.560 on ship. But you're gonna see something. 0:41:59.680 --> 0:42:03.360 So so generally, what about this? 0:42:04.320 --> 0:42:06.560 And this is this is a worst case. But let's 0:42:06.600 --> 0:42:09.440 imagine you stick with your plan. You're you're on one 0:42:09.440 --> 0:42:13.080 of these edges. You put in your time, and and 0:42:13.239 --> 0:42:17.840 that big giant comes through and he does exactly what 0:42:18.040 --> 0:42:22.120 you hoped he would do, and then the wind swirls. 0:42:22.880 --> 0:42:26.360 When he's at fifty yards, he catches you up, he 0:42:26.520 --> 0:42:27.279 boggers out. 0:42:27.200 --> 0:42:30.600 Of there, he's gone out of sight. Yeah, what do 0:42:30.719 --> 0:42:30.920 you do? 0:42:31.280 --> 0:42:33.719 Then let's say it's like late morning, so you still 0:42:33.800 --> 0:42:35.880 have half the day to go. If you were going 0:42:35.920 --> 0:42:38.280 to keep hunting that day, you still have several days 0:42:38.440 --> 0:42:41.920 to hunt on this particular you know, time of vacation 0:42:42.400 --> 0:42:43.480 or trip or whatever it is. 0:42:44.440 --> 0:42:47.840 How do you pivot if at all in that scenario? 0:42:48.560 --> 0:42:51.879 Well, after I got through, cryme, that'd be god. Yeah, 0:42:51.880 --> 0:42:53.799 that would be so tough. Yo. 0:42:54.000 --> 0:42:57.600 Hopefully that that buck coming, you know, if it's the 0:42:58.160 --> 0:43:01.040 the monster man, that would hurt so bad. But I'm 0:43:01.120 --> 0:43:03.520 hoping in my mind that a door or something to 0:43:03.560 --> 0:43:05.520 come through there earlier. I'm not sure you can kind 0:43:05.520 --> 0:43:07.719 of tell how they're acting if they were trailing a 0:43:07.800 --> 0:43:13.120 doe if if not, i might finish that day up there, 0:43:13.239 --> 0:43:14.200 but I'm definitely. 0:43:13.960 --> 0:43:16.400 Not going to be back there the rest of the season. 0:43:16.560 --> 0:43:19.560 It's just because I've my wife. 0:43:19.360 --> 0:43:21.680 Is the only one that I that I know that 0:43:21.800 --> 0:43:24.040 has seen the same big buck twice and that they 0:43:24.120 --> 0:43:26.839 come hunting seeing. You know, I've only seen one time, 0:43:27.080 --> 0:43:30.080 and most of the time, I guess because the way 0:43:30.120 --> 0:43:33.800 we're set up, you know, they figured me out or whatever, 0:43:33.960 --> 0:43:36.239 because I'm always trying to set up close. 0:43:36.800 --> 0:43:39.840 You know, like boat range of everything I'm doing because 0:43:39.880 --> 0:43:42.799 i want that scenario happens. Most of the time. 0:43:42.880 --> 0:43:44.680 I'm hoping I'm set up where if they hit some 0:43:44.840 --> 0:43:46.520 kind of wind, because it has happened when they've hit 0:43:46.520 --> 0:43:47.880 a wind, but I've still been able to kill them 0:43:47.920 --> 0:43:49.799 because they're they're kind of trying to figure out what's 0:43:49.800 --> 0:43:51.959 going on, you know, if it's the buck I'm trying 0:43:51.960 --> 0:43:54.719 to harvest for want I want to harvest, So I'm 0:43:54.719 --> 0:43:57.480 always trying to set up because I'll give up the 0:43:57.520 --> 0:44:01.200 wind in certain places. So but if it's rights there 0:44:01.320 --> 0:44:03.680 where whens at, I generally have a shot. So I 0:44:03.800 --> 0:44:06.160 already had it or already had a shot. So so 0:44:06.320 --> 0:44:09.040 that's but if he gets if he busts me and 0:44:09.080 --> 0:44:12.120 gets out of there, I'm not if I stay there 0:44:12.160 --> 0:44:14.239 that day. But you know, generally if that time frame, 0:44:14.320 --> 0:44:16.200 me and my wife together and so at lunch time 0:44:16.280 --> 0:44:19.799 we're meeting, and I'll go always always hunt somewhere else different. 0:44:19.560 --> 0:44:21.880 In eating so so I won't be back there in 0:44:21.920 --> 0:44:22.320 that spot. 0:44:22.400 --> 0:44:26.000 I just I'll have a different area or a different 0:44:26.040 --> 0:44:29.000 spot in that area that I can you know, hunt 0:44:29.120 --> 0:44:31.960 and feel slightly you know, comfortable. 0:44:31.600 --> 0:44:32.600 That I could see him again. 0:44:32.680 --> 0:44:34.480 But that's boy, it hurts when you do that, because 0:44:34.480 --> 0:44:37.719 they if they figure out you, especially with my chure 0:44:37.760 --> 0:44:40.440 buzz man, that things can change, they can they can 0:44:40.920 --> 0:44:43.560 adjust a little bit, go nocturnal or whatever. But hopefully 0:44:43.640 --> 0:44:45.960 during the up they might still still stay moving. But 0:44:46.040 --> 0:44:48.759 that's it's not it's not a good thing. 0:44:48.880 --> 0:44:49.759 I hate that what I have. 0:44:51.239 --> 0:44:53.680 How far is far enough away for you to be 0:44:53.719 --> 0:44:56.239 able to say, okay, I pivoted enough that there's a 0:44:56.400 --> 0:44:58.680 chance again, are we talking like one hundred yard move 0:44:58.880 --> 0:45:00.319 or like how much? 0:45:01.640 --> 0:45:03.560 That kind of depends a little bit, Like if if 0:45:04.080 --> 0:45:07.279 it was coming from a specific january been there or 0:45:07.320 --> 0:45:09.879 something or something like that, then maybe a hundred yards 0:45:09.920 --> 0:45:11.920 slight movement, a different little edge or something, or it 0:45:11.960 --> 0:45:14.480 could be a quarter mile or something. But it's I'll 0:45:14.560 --> 0:45:17.080 have some kind of a different plan, you know as 0:45:17.160 --> 0:45:19.239 far as that, just but it's got I got kind of. 0:45:19.239 --> 0:45:21.520 Know about what he was doing to do that. So 0:45:22.360 --> 0:45:23.719 it could be a one hundred yard, it could be 0:45:23.719 --> 0:45:25.520 two hundred ard, it could be a quarter mile or more. 0:45:25.760 --> 0:45:28.799 Just it just depends these areas where I hunt at. 0:45:29.120 --> 0:45:32.400 There's ways to do things a quarter mile or more around. 0:45:32.520 --> 0:45:35.040 So it's just and my wife is always it's very 0:45:35.160 --> 0:45:36.759 rare for me and my wife to be closer than 0:45:36.800 --> 0:45:39.480 a quarter mile. It's just because we're trying to do 0:45:39.560 --> 0:45:42.200 the long range plan. You know, we're trying to you know, 0:45:42.239 --> 0:45:44.520 we're trying to. We got pretty strategic about how we 0:45:44.600 --> 0:45:46.440 do it nowadays, so I can adjust and you know, 0:45:47.640 --> 0:45:50.720 a completely different edge or a different triftic trail system 0:45:50.800 --> 0:45:53.240 or different gap system or something like that, or different 0:45:53.280 --> 0:45:54.320 creek crossing systems. 0:46:05.239 --> 0:46:09.080 So let's imagine a slightly different kind of angle on 0:46:09.239 --> 0:46:13.680 this same deal. You're in this spot, perfectly planned, you're 0:46:13.719 --> 0:46:18.400 well positioned. The big guy shows up in sight, but 0:46:18.560 --> 0:46:21.560 he doesn't come right down the pipe to you. He 0:46:21.680 --> 0:46:25.440 takes some slightly different route and he's out of range. Okay, 0:46:26.239 --> 0:46:30.520 so he's now passing by. He's out of range. He's 0:46:30.719 --> 0:46:33.600 probably going to be heading away from you. Now you've 0:46:33.640 --> 0:46:36.880 got a couple options, I guess the first question is 0:46:37.000 --> 0:46:40.560 would you try any kind of calling of any sort 0:46:40.640 --> 0:46:42.920 to try to get him in range, or you're gonna say, 0:46:42.920 --> 0:46:44.960 all right, he's gonna go off his own direction. Then 0:46:44.960 --> 0:46:46.880 I'm gonna adjust. What are you do in that scenario? 0:46:46.960 --> 0:46:50.200 He's coming in, he's not quite there, he's heading away. 0:46:50.440 --> 0:46:53.279 Now what, I'm definitely going to hit a grunt calls, 0:46:53.320 --> 0:46:56.440 start off with, you know, and try to say if 0:46:56.440 --> 0:46:58.600 he can hear me or not. If he hears me 0:46:58.600 --> 0:47:01.439 and he ignores me, I won't do anything else. 0:47:01.760 --> 0:47:01.920 You know. 0:47:02.920 --> 0:47:04.880 If he don't act like you hear me in whatever, 0:47:05.000 --> 0:47:07.160 then I'll pick up some rabbling horns and try to 0:47:07.200 --> 0:47:09.160 do it where the sucker can't see me or something, 0:47:09.200 --> 0:47:11.800 you know, and then just do something. I'll just do 0:47:12.000 --> 0:47:14.480 like a crash, like a like a two bunch of 0:47:14.560 --> 0:47:16.799 hit something and just see if he does. 0:47:16.800 --> 0:47:17.800 Anything of that with that. 0:47:18.560 --> 0:47:20.680 But if he don't, I'm hoping to answer that grunk call. 0:47:20.719 --> 0:47:22.279 I have crawled him back with a grunk call. But 0:47:22.320 --> 0:47:25.319 it's it's if they don't ignore that, I just I don't. 0:47:25.640 --> 0:47:27.879 I don't definitely don't want to learn him to meet. 0:47:28.080 --> 0:47:29.800 So so what I'm saying so I don't push that, 0:47:30.440 --> 0:47:32.160 you know back now, Hung, I've done all kind of 0:47:32.200 --> 0:47:35.560 crazy stuff, so I've learned. Man, just pay attention to 0:47:35.600 --> 0:47:37.920 that body language, you know, because most of time they 0:47:38.040 --> 0:47:40.880 hear you or something that pause, flicker, that tail or 0:47:40.920 --> 0:47:43.920 something like that, or maybe a turn that ear towards you. 0:47:44.080 --> 0:47:46.560 And then if they don't come to you, don't do 0:47:46.680 --> 0:47:49.239 anything else because they don't. They're just not there any 0:47:49.360 --> 0:47:50.480 They're not in that kind of mooding. 0:47:50.520 --> 0:47:53.040 So it's a hard lesson to learn. 0:47:53.280 --> 0:47:55.520 You so badly, you so badly want to keep on 0:47:55.640 --> 0:47:58.080 throwing the kitchen sink at him to desperately get him 0:47:58.120 --> 0:47:58.440 back to you. 0:47:58.600 --> 0:48:02.560 Right, Uh, what about what about this? 0:48:04.520 --> 0:48:09.160 Let's imagine again the same scenario, but this time you 0:48:09.360 --> 0:48:12.239 see two different good bucks, one of them being a 0:48:12.280 --> 0:48:13.880 buck for sure, you would shoot one of them is 0:48:13.920 --> 0:48:17.600 like a maybe, but they pass like well out of range. 0:48:18.840 --> 0:48:21.760 So you see two bucks do the same thing, maybe 0:48:21.840 --> 0:48:25.400 like one hundred and twenty yards out of range. But 0:48:25.520 --> 0:48:28.520 you're in this spot because of these terrain features and 0:48:28.600 --> 0:48:31.439 this cover. All this stuff's coming together just right. We'd 0:48:31.520 --> 0:48:34.839 see in two bucks go in the same place out 0:48:34.880 --> 0:48:36.799 of range. Be enough for you to want to make 0:48:36.840 --> 0:48:39.440 a move at all, or are you? Are you sticking 0:48:39.480 --> 0:48:41.600 to your guns in the spot because you believe in it. 0:48:41.920 --> 0:48:44.120 In that kind of scenario, I'm moving. 0:48:44.800 --> 0:48:47.239 You are two things doing something like that. I'm moving. 0:48:47.280 --> 0:48:50.400 I'm getting closer to that something going on for that happens, 0:48:50.480 --> 0:48:52.799 I'm getting over some behind another right then as soon 0:48:52.800 --> 0:48:53.520 as i can so. 0:48:53.760 --> 0:48:55.759 So I mean, you don't feel safe about it, you know. 0:48:56.520 --> 0:48:58.879 And sometimes even with a with a with one chase 0:48:58.920 --> 0:49:00.640 and a doe if they come from some funky area 0:49:00.760 --> 0:49:03.560 and that that trail or whatever the day we're running 0:49:04.040 --> 0:49:06.320 doing that process, if it's out of my range, whatever, 0:49:06.760 --> 0:49:10.080 just one dough hot, no buck chasing, I'm moving to 0:49:10.160 --> 0:49:12.800 get closer to that because that scent trail is still active, 0:49:12.840 --> 0:49:14.920 you know, I've you know, I've had bucks over the 0:49:15.000 --> 0:49:17.160 next couple of hours come through that trail and sometimes 0:49:17.200 --> 0:49:18.959 a bigger one be the second one coming or whatever. 0:49:19.040 --> 0:49:22.279 So it's just so I'm moving on that situation. So 0:49:22.600 --> 0:49:24.759 that's that's another hard lesson to learn, so. 0:49:24.960 --> 0:49:26.400 So very true. 0:49:26.800 --> 0:49:29.560 So you would would you go as soon as the 0:49:29.680 --> 0:49:31.520 last deer is out of sight? Or would you wait 0:49:31.640 --> 0:49:34.200 till midday when things slow down a little bit? 0:49:34.320 --> 0:49:34.360 Like? 0:49:34.400 --> 0:49:35.480 How how soon is soon? 0:49:36.080 --> 0:49:38.359 Soon as that sucker's rather out of sight? Soon they're 0:49:38.400 --> 0:49:40.839 out of sight, I'm getting out and getting over I mean. 0:49:41.440 --> 0:49:41.759 You don't. 0:49:41.960 --> 0:49:43.799 You don't bear sitting there in thirty minutes later, an 0:49:43.800 --> 0:49:46.920 hour later than another one come by. So because that 0:49:47.040 --> 0:49:48.520 trail is fresh, get over there. 0:49:48.880 --> 0:49:53.080 So yeah, yeah, that's uh, that's such a tough scenario 0:49:53.160 --> 0:49:55.840 because you you know, the the mid day move or 0:49:55.880 --> 0:49:58.359 the late morning move is always one of those deals 0:49:58.400 --> 0:50:00.279 where you want to get somewhere fast, but and there's 0:50:00.280 --> 0:50:02.080 always that whisper in the back of your mind, like 0:50:02.680 --> 0:50:05.200 as soon as you become vulnerable, like you're halfway down 0:50:05.239 --> 0:50:07.200 your stick, so you're hanging off the back of the tree, 0:50:07.200 --> 0:50:09.600 and then then of course the bucks shows up right 0:50:09.640 --> 0:50:12.160 where you are now or while you're walking to the 0:50:12.200 --> 0:50:16.279 new spot, and then they're there behind you. But but yeah, 0:50:16.520 --> 0:50:19.080 it's probably better to give it a try than not 0:50:19.280 --> 0:50:21.879 and then then watch the big guy go through Buck 0:50:21.960 --> 0:50:22.399 number three. 0:50:23.160 --> 0:50:27.480 Right, Yeah, Okay, I want to run you through. 0:50:27.760 --> 0:50:30.799 Just a few more fast, kind of rapid fire type 0:50:30.920 --> 0:50:33.879 questions now, so we're gonna we're gonna step away from 0:50:33.960 --> 0:50:35.920 the what would you do scenarios and instead I've just 0:50:35.960 --> 0:50:39.279 got I think five or six quick hitting just kind 0:50:39.280 --> 0:50:41.720 of give me your first gut reaction to these things, 0:50:42.520 --> 0:50:43.840 like a one word type answer. 0:50:43.840 --> 0:50:46.160 We're gonna run you through this really quick, and then gets. 0:50:46.040 --> 0:50:48.160 You out the door, because because I know there's there's 0:50:48.200 --> 0:50:50.319 a big, old giant buck out there, some are waiting 0:50:50.400 --> 0:50:53.480 for you to put together that final final few steps 0:50:53.480 --> 0:50:55.080 of your game plan, and I don't want to hold 0:50:55.120 --> 0:51:00.160 you back from that, so rapid fire first thing that 0:51:00.239 --> 0:51:03.560 comes to your mind. We're gonna go through these quick. Michael, 0:51:04.160 --> 0:51:07.160 Does the moon matter for deer movement? 0:51:07.280 --> 0:51:07.759 Yes or no? 0:51:08.320 --> 0:51:08.360 No? 0:51:09.800 --> 0:51:12.839 Would you take a fifty yard shot at a white 0:51:12.880 --> 0:51:14.279 tail with your bow? Yes or no? 0:51:15.040 --> 0:51:15.239 Yes? 0:51:16.280 --> 0:51:18.960 If you could only have one of these tools for 0:51:19.040 --> 0:51:20.839 the rest of your hunts, the rest of your life? 0:51:21.280 --> 0:51:23.759 Would you take a grunt tube or a set of 0:51:23.840 --> 0:51:31.160 rattling antlers, run tube expandable or fixed blade broadheads? Should 0:51:31.239 --> 0:51:35.160 you stop a walking buck before shooting with a sound 0:51:35.239 --> 0:51:35.719 of some kind? 0:51:36.880 --> 0:51:39.200 Yes? Would you? 0:51:39.400 --> 0:51:42.080 If you had to only pick one season to do 0:51:42.360 --> 0:51:45.759 all of your scouting, you could do it winter, You 0:51:45.880 --> 0:51:48.600 could take summer, or you could take in season. 0:51:48.880 --> 0:51:50.160 Which of those three would you pick? 0:51:50.800 --> 0:51:51.080 Winter? 0:51:51.880 --> 0:51:52.000 All? 0:51:52.080 --> 0:51:56.560 Right, now, this one you can you can expand on this. 0:51:56.640 --> 0:51:58.279 You can give me your explanation. This isn't a one 0:51:58.320 --> 0:52:02.720 word answer. Imagine that I kind of run the country 0:52:03.360 --> 0:52:07.040 and run all the hunting opportunities across the nation, and 0:52:07.320 --> 0:52:12.239 I am going to unfortunately take away your hunting privileges 0:52:12.320 --> 0:52:15.520 for the rest of your life. No more hunting licenses 0:52:15.600 --> 0:52:19.560 for the rest of your life unless you can kill 0:52:20.440 --> 0:52:24.120 a big mature buck this year. So if you kill 0:52:24.160 --> 0:52:25.719 a big mature buck this year, then you can keep 0:52:25.760 --> 0:52:28.080 on hunting. If you do not kill a big mature 0:52:28.120 --> 0:52:32.000 buck this year, you're done. Here's the real bummer, though, Yeah, 0:52:32.040 --> 0:52:36.320 here's the extra bummer. You only have one day to 0:52:36.440 --> 0:52:39.680 get it done. Get one single day. So what I 0:52:39.760 --> 0:52:41.800 want you to do for me, Michael is pick the 0:52:41.960 --> 0:52:44.400 date that you're going to select for this hunt. So 0:52:44.440 --> 0:52:46.239 you get to pick any day in the calendar. Tell 0:52:46.280 --> 0:52:49.080 me the day you want to pick, and then describe 0:52:49.160 --> 0:52:53.640 for me the best possible location that you would sit 0:52:53.760 --> 0:52:56.960 for this one particular day for this very high stakes hunt. 0:52:57.040 --> 0:52:58.839 And this could either be like maybe you have an 0:52:58.880 --> 0:53:01.440 actual spot that you would pick that you know of 0:53:01.520 --> 0:53:03.560 and you can describe that, or you can make up 0:53:03.600 --> 0:53:05.560 the kind of spot that would be perfect for this. 0:53:05.719 --> 0:53:08.000 But but give me the day of the year and 0:53:08.160 --> 0:53:10.719 give me the spot you would go to try to 0:53:10.800 --> 0:53:14.040 kill mature buck in this very important scenario. 0:53:14.760 --> 0:53:15.560 Paint that picture. 0:53:16.080 --> 0:53:17.279 This is gonna be my home stake. 0:53:18.000 --> 0:53:20.399 You can go anywhere you want if it's my home state. 0:53:20.400 --> 0:53:21.720 It's gonna be December. Second. 0:53:21.880 --> 0:53:24.719 I got a creek crossing there that I've seen more 0:53:24.800 --> 0:53:27.719 deer or more chasing going on on that day, So 0:53:27.760 --> 0:53:28.920 I'm heading that that day. 0:53:29.200 --> 0:53:32.720 So and that, I mean, that's already that's the easy 0:53:32.760 --> 0:53:35.440 one for me. So in Alabama, now. 0:53:35.480 --> 0:53:39.759 December two, creek crossing. Uh, just describe the described for 0:53:39.880 --> 0:53:42.040 me the perfect creek crossing. Set up a little bit more. 0:53:42.800 --> 0:53:46.320 This creek crossing is associated with some bluff gap systems 0:53:46.360 --> 0:53:48.720 where when I cross that thing creek, they're in between 0:53:48.840 --> 0:53:51.680 this bluff system. One bluff I can see kind of 0:53:52.239 --> 0:53:55.480 you know, can save it, not really say, but I 0:53:55.560 --> 0:53:57.840 know it's there within fifty yards. You know, if a 0:53:57.920 --> 0:54:00.320 person walked in there, they couldn't really see it. So 0:54:01.000 --> 0:54:03.200 then on down the creek system is a high wall. 0:54:03.600 --> 0:54:05.759 That's they just they just can't do it. 0:54:05.840 --> 0:54:07.840 So they're coming through this area and that's generally in 0:54:07.920 --> 0:54:11.480 boat range. And that's I mean, so and during December 0:54:11.520 --> 0:54:13.680 second sometimes I'll be bow hunting. Sometimes the big gun 0:54:13.760 --> 0:54:15.960 hunt just depends on what type of you know, situation 0:54:16.120 --> 0:54:18.600 going on. But I'm up above that creek crossing, say 0:54:18.640 --> 0:54:21.320 seventy five one hundred yards, and there's some pine system, 0:54:22.680 --> 0:54:24.799 you know, a couple of riding systems over that. They're 0:54:25.000 --> 0:54:27.239 they're coming from that creek crossing going to them dank 0:54:27.320 --> 0:54:29.000 pines or coming from them pines. 0:54:29.080 --> 0:54:31.560 So it's just and that's I've seen more deer and 0:54:31.640 --> 0:54:33.359 heard more deer on that in that area. 0:54:33.640 --> 0:54:36.680 So I'm just just a funnel. 0:54:37.200 --> 0:54:41.040 Yeah, yeah, amazing, all right, Michael, Well, I would never 0:54:41.160 --> 0:54:43.319 do that to you. I won't take away you're hunting rights, 0:54:43.360 --> 0:54:45.239 but I'm but I'm glad that you've got a good 0:54:45.320 --> 0:54:49.160 planning place just in case I and I really do, 0:54:49.400 --> 0:54:51.880 I really do appreciate you taking the time to to 0:54:52.040 --> 0:54:54.160 talk me through all this stuff, walk us through your 0:54:54.239 --> 0:54:58.240 thought process. You are getting the job done in tough places, 0:54:58.280 --> 0:54:59.320 and it's very impressive. 0:54:59.520 --> 0:55:02.359 So so keep on keeping on, Michael. It's been fun 0:55:02.400 --> 0:55:03.120 to watch from afar. 0:55:03.640 --> 0:55:05.719 Well. I appreciate it. I've enjoyed this is really this 0:55:05.800 --> 0:55:06.759 has been this is fun. 0:55:06.840 --> 0:55:08.839 So I enjoyed it so and I appreciate what y'all 0:55:08.960 --> 0:55:12.160 doing and that yall's podcast system and that's right, y'all 0:55:12.239 --> 0:55:14.360 keep up what y'all doing for the outdoors. 0:55:13.840 --> 0:55:16.400 And I mean for us the hunting community, you know. 0:55:16.560 --> 0:55:17.960 So again I appreciate it. 0:55:18.040 --> 0:55:20.000 I appreciate it, and I hope somebody gets something out 0:55:20.040 --> 0:55:22.359 of this, you know, hopefully I wouldn't too out there 0:55:22.360 --> 0:55:24.880 a little bit or or get hung up on anything. 0:55:24.960 --> 0:55:28.200 But so, but we we're all a good community and 0:55:28.239 --> 0:55:31.040 we all know enjoy this, so so kind of think 0:55:31.120 --> 0:55:33.560 outside of the box sometimes and then sometimes I mean 0:55:34.239 --> 0:55:36.080 be like, maybe make a plan, stick with it. 0:55:36.920 --> 0:55:39.400 I think that's that's very sound advice. Michael. Thank you 0:55:39.520 --> 0:55:41.719 for that and Uh, that's the luck this year. 0:55:42.320 --> 0:55:45.839 You totally appreciate it, buddy, all. 0:55:45.800 --> 0:55:47.480 Right, and that's going to do it for us today. 0:55:47.880 --> 0:55:50.080 Thanks for joining me today in the show. If we're 0:55:50.120 --> 0:55:52.480 doing what would You Do? Series, that means the hunting 0:55:52.600 --> 0:55:57.080 season is almost here. So getting that final work, getting 0:55:57.120 --> 0:55:59.680 those reps of the bow, have fun, getting ready for 0:55:59.760 --> 0:56:02.160 the day because it's going to be here before we 0:56:02.280 --> 0:56:04.680 know it, and that's a beautiful thing. So thanks for 0:56:04.800 --> 0:56:08.759 joining me, and until next time, stay wired to Hunt.