1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: Senator, It's going to be a fast paced show. We 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: have so much news has broken this week about a whistleblower, 3 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 1: someone asking for whistle blower protection. We actually have an 4 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: attorney saying he needs this protection. And then on top 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: of that, we hear all of a sudden, Joe Biden's 6 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: filing an decide I'm going to announce I'm running for president, 7 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: hoping that I'll put a lot of this to bed, 8 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: that the media will protect him. Your initial reaction to 9 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: this was probably the worst week from a media perspective 10 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: for this president since he got into office, excluding maybe Afghanistan, 11 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: because they're finally reporting on what's happened. 12 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 2: Well, look, the allegations that are coming out. We've discussed 13 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 2: great length on Verdict, the allegations of corruption within the 14 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 2: Biden family, of profiting from Joe Biden's positions of government 15 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 2: authority both as Vice president and as president. We now 16 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 2: have all of that escalating significantly, and and a new 17 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 2: element of the politicization of the Department of Justice protecting 18 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 2: Hunter Biden and in particular this whistleblower who sent a 19 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 2: letter on April nineteenth, send a letter to senators and 20 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 2: House members of the applicable congressional committees, offering to provide 21 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 2: testimony demonstrating that the Biden administration lined and the letter says, 22 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 2: I represent a career IRS Criminal Supervisory Special Agent who 23 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 2: has been overseeing the ongoing and sensitive investigation of a 24 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 2: high profile, controversial subject since early twenty twenty and would 25 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 2: like to make protected whistleblower disclosures to Congress. Now we 26 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 2: now know that high profile subject is Hunter Biden, but 27 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 2: the letter doesn't specify that despite serious risk of retaliation, 28 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 2: The letter continues, my client is offering to provide you 29 00:01:55,680 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 2: with information necessary to exercise your constitutional oversight functions, and 30 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 2: wishes to make the disclosures in a nonpartisan manner to 31 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 2: the leadership of the relevant committees on both sides of 32 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 2: the political aisle. Now, now, what would the testimony be, Well, 33 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 2: the letter gives you some indication of what the testimony 34 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 2: would be. The letter continues, quote, my client has already 35 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 2: made legally protected disclosures internally at the IRS through Council, 36 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 2: to the US Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration, and 37 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 2: to the Department of Justice Office of the Inspector General. 38 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 2: The protected disclosures one contradict sworn testimony to Congress by 39 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 2: a senior political appointee, two involve failure to mitigate clear 40 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 2: conflicts of interest in the ultimate disposition of the case. 41 00:02:52,360 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 2: And three detail examples of preferential treatment and improperly infecting 42 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 2: decisions and protocols that would normally be followed by career 43 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 2: law enforcement professionals in similar circumstances if the subject were 44 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 2: not politically connected. Now, Hunter Biden is politically connected in 45 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 2: that daddy's in the White House. Yeah, but what is 46 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 2: striking So we talked about this on the last podcast 47 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 2: on Friday. What has broken since we recorded that podcast 48 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 2: is who the senior political official is. And it's not 49 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 2: the assistant secretary of what you might call it. The 50 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 2: senior political official is allegedly Merrick Garland, the Attorney General 51 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 2: of the United States. That's a big damn deal. He's 52 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 2: accusing the Attorney General of the United States of committing perjury, 53 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 2: of lying under oath to Congress. That is serious and well, look, 54 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 2: his lawyer went on TV to describe what his client 55 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 2: wants to say. Give a listen. 56 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 3: So, my client's a career law enforcement officer who is 57 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 3: respected within the IRS, and he teaches other agents how 58 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 3: to properly do investigations. He knows when to spot when 59 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 3: other invest when investigative steps aren't done in the traditional 60 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,919 Speaker 3: way to get at the truth. And he has spotted 61 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 3: and observed things that are done differently in this particular 62 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 3: matter which I can't identify, and he wants to talk 63 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 3: about them, and he believes that they were influenced by politics. 64 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 2: That is significant. 65 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: From to say it this way, you can also see 66 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 1: that this attorney's trying to be very smart and go 67 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: buy the book because they're afraid of Merret Garland, I 68 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: think in the just department coming back and retaliating against 69 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: this individual. He's saying, there are things I don't even know. 70 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: And it's obvious they're terrified of the weaponsation of this 71 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 1: DOJ and of the FBI. They're trying to do everything perfectly. 72 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 1: He's saying, there's a lot of things I don't even 73 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: know yet. This is a pretty brave decision to forward. 74 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: Would you agree with that? 75 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 2: It is? And this IRS agent, this supervisor is risking 76 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:12,919 Speaker 2: his or her career, is obviously afraid of retaliation. And 77 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 2: I'll say this letter was a pretty serious elevation. Now, 78 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 2: now the individual had already taken it to the Inspector 79 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 2: General at the Treasury Department, to the i r SS itself, 80 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 2: and to the Department of Justice. So this whistleblower is 81 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 2: trying to blow the whistle, and the Biden administration, as 82 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 2: far as we know, in doing anything about it. How 83 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 2: much does this remind you? 84 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: And that why I said today we're going to go 85 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: fast paced because there's so much here. This reminds me 86 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: so much to Tony Babolinski when he came forward, He's like, 87 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 1: no one will listen to me. This reminds me of 88 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: the guy who John Paul McK isaac, the guy who 89 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: had the laptop. Right, He's like, I call the United 90 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: States government, I say I have this, and yet nothing 91 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: seems to happen. So therefore you forced me to come 92 00:05:58,080 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: out in a different way. 93 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 2: The Biden, I believe, is desperately trying to protect Joe Biden. 94 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 2: They leaked that Hunter Biden was going to get indicted, 95 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 2: but he hadn't been indicted. They leaked that months ago 96 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 2: that Hunter Biden was going to get indicted and it 97 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 2: still hasn't happened. And what this individual is saying, like 98 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:20,239 Speaker 2: his lawyer just said, well, he teaches other IRS agents 99 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 2: how to conduct investigations, and he can tell the signs 100 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 2: of when an investigation is not being conducted to discover 101 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 2: the truth. Look, that's a big deal. He's saying. This 102 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 2: is a political cover up, and it's a political cover 103 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 2: up that is directed by political appointees. And he says, 104 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 2: in particular, the Attorney General lied to Congress. Here's an 105 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 2: example of Merrick Garland talking about Hunter Biden before the Senate. 106 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 4: I don't know the answer to that. 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David 146 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 2: Weiss is his name. He is a holdover US attorney 147 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 2: from the Trump administration, so he was appointed by Trump. 148 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 2: I think Garland is trying to say, Look, Trump appointed 149 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 2: this guy, so there's no political interference at all. He 150 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 2: can do whatever he wants, he can bring whatever case 151 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 2: he wants. Well, this irs whistleblow suggesting that's not the case. Look, 152 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 2: here's another example of Merrick Garland testifying again before the 153 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 2: Senate Judiciary Committee, same topic. 154 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 4: So, as a committee well knows from my confirmation hearing, 155 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 4: I promise to leave I promised to leave the matter 156 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 4: of Hunter Biden in the hands of the US Attorney 157 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 4: for the District of Delaware, who is appointed in the 158 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 4: previous administration. So any information like that should have gone 159 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 4: or should or should have gone to that US attorney's 160 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 4: offices and the FBI squad that's working with him. I 161 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:39,199 Speaker 4: have pledged not to interfere with that investigation, and I 162 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 4: have carried through on my pledge. 163 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: Clearly, they're trying to paint a picture. They say, hey, 164 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: why this is a guy that can get to do 165 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: his own thing. Is that reality for people that I 166 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: understand how the DOJ works. I mean, you can say, hey, 167 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: he has free reign, do whatever you want to do, 168 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: do the right thing, go where the facts take you. 169 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: But ultimately doesn't he still have to go back to 170 00:09:57,960 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 1: the people with the DOJ above him and say, this 171 00:09:59,920 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: is the planner, this is what I'd like to do. 172 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 2: Well. Typically in this sort of matter, you'd have to 173 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,959 Speaker 2: get approval to file charges, and you'd have to get 174 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 2: approval from the fifth floor, from top management, from the 175 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 2: attorney general. You know what we just played there. We 176 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 2: don't know for sure what it is that this whistleblower 177 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:24,839 Speaker 2: is alleging was perjury, but I think that clip is 178 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 2: a pretty good candidate. I think it could easily be 179 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 2: that because he says specifically, I have not politically interfered. 180 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 2: I pledged not to, and I've followed through on that pledge. 181 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 2: It's a clear categorical statement. If it is the case 182 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 2: as the whistleblower says that there was politics that's interfering, 183 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 2: and if it's coming from the Attorney general, that would 184 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 2: contradict that statement. We don't know that because we haven't 185 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 2: heard this testimony, but look, I will say the fact 186 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 2: that the whistleblower sent this letter and released the letter 187 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 2: to the public, it now makes it extremely difficult for 188 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 2: the Biden administration to directly retaliate against this whistleblower. This 189 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 2: letter is addressed to Ron Widen, who's the chairman of 190 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 2: the Finance Committee. It's addressed to Mike Crapo, who is 191 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 2: the ranking member of the Finance Committee. It's addressed to 192 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 2: Dick Durbin, the chairman of Judiciary. It's addressed to Lindsay Graham, 193 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 2: who's the ranking member Judiciary. It's addressed to Chuck Grassley, 194 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 2: who is on the Finance Committee and the Judiciary Committee 195 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 2: and is co chair of the Whistleblower Protection Caucus along 196 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 2: with Ron Wyden, a Democrat, who is also co chair 197 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 2: of the Whistleblower Protection Caucus. And then it's also sent 198 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 2: to four House Members Jason Smith, Richard Neil, Jim Jordan, 199 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 2: and Jerry Nadler. Sending it to five senators, to four 200 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 2: House members, both Republicans and Democrats, is a very effective 201 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 2: way to avoid this whistleblower just being disappeared in the night. 202 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,319 Speaker 2: It's a very effective way to avoid a late night 203 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 2: visit from Hillary Clinton to his jail cell and end 204 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 2: up being Jeffrey Epstein. 205 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you got to cover your abs on this one. Yeah, 206 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 1: I mean, it's got to be terrifying to be this guy. 207 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: How does this work? 208 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 2: Then? Moving forward, you mentioned and what the lawyer's saying 209 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 2: is this guy is a non political career. 210 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:28,199 Speaker 1: Guy, investigative guy, almost like law enforcement esque. 211 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 2: And it at least sounds like as you read the letter, 212 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 2: he is genuinely offended and disturbed. This is what whistleblower 213 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 2: protections are all about, when someone sees a cover up, 214 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 2: when someone sees the machinery of justice being misused. And listen, 215 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 2: we've talked on a verdict all the time about how 216 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 2: to tell the Biden Justice Department is being corrupted on 217 00:12:56,200 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 2: this investigation. The critical question is whether they are endeavoring 218 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 2: to focus wrongdoing on Hunter Biden, a poor, troubled soul 219 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 2: with substance abuse issues, which is their political narrative, or 220 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 2: whether they're willing to look into corruption that flows directly 221 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:20,719 Speaker 2: to Joe Biden. That's the connection where if you're being political, 222 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:24,079 Speaker 2: you say, okay, go after him for all the drug 223 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 2: use you want. But you tax issues five, but the 224 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 2: first tax issues. So look, what's interesting about this letter 225 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 2: also is that he refers to in particular, he says, look, 226 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 2: there are some of the protected disclosures contain information that 227 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 2: is restricted by statute from unauthorized disclosure to protect taxpayer 228 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:52,679 Speaker 2: and tax return information. So this is an IRS investigator. 229 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 2: He's looking at IRS tax returns. He's looking at presumably 230 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 2: Hunter Biden's tax returns, maybe business tax returns. And what 231 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 2: it may be and I'm speculating here, but I'm speculating 232 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 2: based on what he said, is it may be that 233 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 2: the political interference is saying, nope, don't look into this 234 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 2: flow of money, and if it's going to Joe Biden, no, 235 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 2: you can't look into that. That may be because we've 236 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 2: said all the time that's the real critical question. Are 237 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 2: they protecting the big guy? And if they're saying to 238 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 2: the investigators, you know they're looking at a deal and saying, 239 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 2: all right, is this thing crooked? You'd normally follow the money. 240 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 2: That would be the ordinary steps that you engage in 241 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 2: to find the truth. And so it is in other words, 242 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 2: who else is involved? 243 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: Yes, And if you're the top guy or you're Garland, 244 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: and you're this whistleblower, and you say, we're following this 245 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: money and we want to see where it's going because 246 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: we can see what's happening here. This is again you connect. 247 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: This is all the suspicious activity reports. You connected with 248 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: an Biden family member last names. We now know we're 249 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: involved in the in this shady business scheme of this apparatus, 250 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. You connect all that, 251 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: and then if someone comes and says, no, no, you 252 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: can't go there, that's when this whistleborow I would assume 253 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: was offended. 254 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think that's right. I mean it certainly 255 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 2: on its face presents like someone who wanted to investigate 256 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 2: criminal conductor or possible criminal conduct and was prevented from 257 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 2: doing so that had political higher ups saying no, no, no, no. 258 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 2: I mean what he alleges is it was politics. In 259 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 2: other words, we're protecting the big guy. You can't go there, 260 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 2: Let's go to the lawyer for quickly a moment here. 261 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 2: If you are in the IRS and you go to 262 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 2: an attorney and you say, this is what I've seen, 263 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 2: and then you're accusing the Attorney General of the United 264 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 2: States of America. Senator of being the guy who is 265 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 2: stopping you from doing your job. What is the initial 266 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 2: react she's going to be in that conversation with any attorney, 267 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 2: like be careful, tread lightly. Do you understand what could 268 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 2: happen to your life and your future if you do 269 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 2: go forward with this? How much are they going to 270 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 2: go back and really make sure before they send this 271 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 2: letter that this is a rock solid claim from a whistleblower. Well, look, 272 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 2: I am assuming that this whistleblower has real evidence. This 273 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 2: whistleblower may have his or her own testimony, but it 274 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 2: wouldn't surprise me if they're emails. It wouldn't surprise me 275 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 2: if there are voicemails or other written correspondence directing Okay, 276 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 2: here's what you can investigate and here's what you can't. 277 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 2: I don't know that, but an IRS senior supervisory investigator, 278 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 2: those are the sorts of materials that he would present. 279 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 2: And look the steps that he took. He went first 280 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 2: of all to the IRS, So he went to a supervisor. 281 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 2: He went to someone within THERS. He doesn't specify whom, 282 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 2: but you would think to the supervisor and be the 283 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 2: natural place, or if the supervisor was the one conveying it, 284 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 2: you'd go to the supervisors supervisor, that would be a 285 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 2: reasonable thing to start. He then went to the Inspector 286 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 2: General at Treasury, so that's another place to start. And 287 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 2: the Inspector General exists to investigate wrongdoing within the department. 288 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 2: So he's done that. We don't know what timeframe. He 289 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 2: doesn't specify when he raised it with the IRS, when 290 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:30,879 Speaker 2: he raised it with the Inspector General. But then he 291 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 2: went also to the Inspector General the Department of Justice, 292 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 2: so he's crossing over to another department and raising it 293 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 2: there as well. And presumably this letter was sent because 294 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 2: those three places got nowhere. Now there may be ongoing investigations. 295 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 2: The ig at Justice in particular, Michael Horowitz has done 296 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 2: good work. The report that the Department of Justice Inspector 297 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 2: General did on Crossfire Hurricane, outlining the politicizations, the lying, 298 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 2: the enormous breaches of ordinary protocol that we're done in 299 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 2: the Department of Justice, targeting and going after Donald Trump. 300 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 2: That was a very good report. So it's possible one 301 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 2: or both inspectors General are actively investigating, and there may 302 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 2: be more coming. But those investigations can take a long time. 303 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 2: They can be drawn out. They usually culminated a report 304 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:36,360 Speaker 2: on the back end that can end up if there's 305 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:42,199 Speaker 2: criminal conduct resulting in a referral for criminal prosecution. Sending 306 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 2: the letter to Congress elevates it by making it public. Now, look, 307 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 2: it also performs a function that it lets the American 308 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 2: people know about it. And this is highly relevant if 309 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 2: you have a president and an attorney general who are 310 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 2: eyeing to the American people who are abusing the justice system, 311 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 2: who are covering up evidence of corruption by the president. 312 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 2: You know, we've seen that before. There's a guy named 313 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:13,959 Speaker 2: Richard Milhems Nixon, and he had an Attorney general, John Mitchell, 314 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 2: who covered up for him and covered up for his 315 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 2: criminal conduct. And the end of that story, Richard Nixon 316 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 2: resigned in disgrace and John Mitchell went to prison. So 317 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 2: what's being alleged by this whistleblower, the consequences of it 318 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 2: are potentially very very serious. 319 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: Set expectations quickly for this whistleblower and what the public 320 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 1: may see if he has granted this protection. Do we 321 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:46,680 Speaker 1: see him in front of cameras testifying before Congress? Is 322 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: this done behind closed doors? Will we find out who 323 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,439 Speaker 1: he is a person? How does this work. 324 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 2: So it depends, and because they're multiple committees, the answer 325 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:59,120 Speaker 2: may be different committee by committee. I will say, if 326 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:02,199 Speaker 2: we had a Democrat Senate in a Democrat House, the 327 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 2: odds would be very high that the result would be 328 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 2: the same as the result has been so far from 329 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 2: his other three referrals that they just basically deep six 330 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:15,439 Speaker 2: and ignore it. Senate Judiciary Committee. I expect Dick Durbin 331 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 2: doesn't want to go near this. I will be surprised 332 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 2: if Durbin has any interest in getting into this issue. 333 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 2: But Jim Jordan will. The fact that we have a 334 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 2: Republican majority in the House, I am confident the House 335 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 2: will be eager to listen to this whistleblower. It will start, presumably. 336 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 2: So the lawyer offers to sit down, and he says, 337 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 2: you know, my goal is to ensure that my client 338 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 2: can properly share his lawfully protected disclosures with Congressional committees. Thus, 339 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 2: I respectfully request that your committees work with me to 340 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 2: facilitate sharing the information with Congress legally and with the 341 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:05,959 Speaker 2: fully informed advice of counsel, with the appropriate legal protections 342 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,679 Speaker 2: and in the appropriate setting. I would be happy to 343 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 2: meet with you and provide a more detailed profer of 344 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 2: the testimony my client could provide to Congress. So the 345 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 2: next step at all likelihood, and it may have happened 346 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 2: last week. If it didn't happen last week, I'll be 347 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 2: shocked if it doesn't happen this week is lawyers for 348 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 2: the committees will sit down with the lawyer for this 349 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:34,120 Speaker 2: whistleblower and he'll give a more detailed profer. So profer 350 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 2: is a legal term where a profer is basically saying, Okay, 351 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 2: here's what my client will testify to. And it it's 352 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 2: sort of giving a foreshadowing of this is going to 353 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 2: be his testimony, and they will presumably work out an 354 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 2: agreement the committees with him to ensure that he has 355 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 2: the legal protections of being a whistleblower so that he 356 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 2: doesn't get fired for doing it. And in particular, you know, 357 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 2: he meant that there're statutes that limit what you can 358 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 2: say about taxpayer filing information. Now there's some irony because 359 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 2: the Biden irs leaks informations about tax returns of people 360 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 2: they don't like, people like Elon Musk. They're happy to 361 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 2: leak informations about his tax returns. But this guy is 362 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,439 Speaker 2: very smart, saying, look, if I come and tell you 363 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 2: about something in the tax return, Merrick Garland could turn 364 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,439 Speaker 2: around and prosecute me because you're not allowed to share that. 365 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 2: So I want to make sure I'm conveying it in 366 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 2: a way that it is consistent with law. That will happen, 367 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 2: and a minimum will happen in the house. What will 368 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 2: start will be a conversation with a lawyer. What will 369 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 2: probably happen next will be a conversation perhaps a deposition 370 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 2: taken behind closed doors from this whistleblower to hear his testimony, 371 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 2: and then the next step. My prediction is we're going 372 00:22:56,119 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 2: to see this guy testify in the house that Jim 373 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,880 Speaker 2: Jordan or James Comby. Do you think we'll actually see 374 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 2: him as an individ joint human being. I think that's 375 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 2: quite likely. Now that's probably two months away, Okay, takes time. 376 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 2: The committee will want to first of all, here from 377 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 2: the lawyer, second of all, hear from the witness. It 378 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 2: could be fast. Look, we could hear from him in 379 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 2: a week if they if they want to go fast. 380 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 2: They can not always smart though. Look, I would think 381 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 2: whatever the allegations are, they're going to ask Art do 382 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 2: you have any evidence to back it up? Do you 383 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 2: have emails? Do you have memos? Do you have like 384 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 2: what corroborating information? They might ask what other witnesses do 385 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 2: you have, and they may say, Okay, we want to 386 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:48,439 Speaker 2: talk to these other witnesses. And so my guess is 387 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,919 Speaker 2: we will see a public hearing. I don't think we'll 388 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 2: see what in the Senate. 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If you are 414 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 1: Garland right now, the Attorney General and this whistleblower is 415 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: clearly gonna name you, you know what your testimony was, 416 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: and if you forgot it, you've probably gone back and 417 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: looked at it. You also probably know what he has 418 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 1: on you, this whistleblower. How concerned is Garland right now 419 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: for his job? And since the Senate is controlled by 420 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,439 Speaker 1: the Democrats, how much does that protect him? 421 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 2: Look, it depends on how specific the evidence is. A 422 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:53,679 Speaker 2: special supervisory agent at the IRS is unlikely to be 423 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 2: meeting with the Attorney General directly. So look, the agent 424 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 2: could come in and testify. Merrick Garland told me directly, 425 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,640 Speaker 2: do not investigate Joe Biden or any of the money 426 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 2: flowing to Joe Biden. That would be really bad. If 427 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 2: he said that. The chances of that happening are very 428 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 2: very low. It's not likely to be direct testimony of 429 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 2: words that came straight out of Meeric Garland's mouth. It 430 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 2: is more likely to be as he's conducting the investigation, 431 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 2: he's told by a supervisor don't go down that road. No, no, 432 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 2: you can't go down that road. I want you to 433 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 2: focus on this and not that. In all likelihood, any 434 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 2: interference from the Attorney General went through several intermediaries. It 435 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 2: wasn't presumably it wasn't Garland sitting there directly going nope, nope, 436 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 2: can't touch that, So that it depends on how specific 437 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,680 Speaker 2: it was. If these guys are idiots enough to write 438 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 2: a memo, which they might be because they're pretty brazen. 439 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,479 Speaker 2: If they wrote a memo and directed here are all 440 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 2: the things you can't get into and it's directly contrary 441 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:06,679 Speaker 2: to what Merrick Garland said, that he hasn't interfered anyway, 442 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 2: then that's more of a problem. And the memo. Look, 443 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 2: we've talked about memos from Merrick Garland. The memo that 444 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 2: he wrote to the FBI directing them to investigate parents 445 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 2: who spoke up at school boards and then claimed it 446 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 2: was wrong. It should never happen. I doubt that's happened. 447 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,440 Speaker 2: If he wrote a memo on the Hunter Biden case 448 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 2: directing them not to look into the president, then he 449 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 2: ought to be impeached for stupidity, forget the corruption. That 450 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 2: would be so moronic. I would be very, very surprised. 451 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 2: If he's a smart guy. If you don't need to 452 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,400 Speaker 2: understand that, I always say he is a very smart guy. 453 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 2: He's not an idiot. He is not lacking in gray matter. 454 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 2: He is lacking in ethics and integrity, being willing to 455 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 2: say no, I will not allow the Department of Justice 456 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 2: to be politicized and weaponized. But he is smart and capable. 457 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 2: So the degree of legal jeopardy Merrick Garland is in 458 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 2: depends upon the quality and specificity of the evidence this 459 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 2: whistleblower has. If it's vaguer in nature, well, I was 460 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:21,159 Speaker 2: told to focus over here but not over there. And 461 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 2: why is that? You know, people just knew it was 462 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 2: because the Attorney General didn't want us to. It could 463 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 2: be something if that's all it is, that you're not 464 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,439 Speaker 2: going to get a conviction for lying under oath. For 465 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,640 Speaker 2: that kind of tension, you need a much more direct 466 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 2: He said he didn't do X. Here's evidence he did X. 467 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: I mean that's there used to be a fear of 468 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 1: lying on oath, especially to Congress, would be a real consequence. 469 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: We have a lot of examples of people lying under oath. Yeah, 470 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: there's no accountability. Anti Fauci is the one to name 471 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: that comes right to the top of the list. 472 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 2: There's many others in life, and I've asked Merrick Garland 473 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 2: about Anthony Fauci, and Garland picks and chooses which laws 474 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 2: he will enforce in which laws he won't. There is 475 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 2: a subsequent question, which is if this evidence comes out, 476 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 2: what happens then, Because the person who makes the decision 477 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 2: whether Merrick Garland should be prosecuted is Merrick Garland, So 478 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 2: how does it work, then he would surely recuse, and 479 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 2: he would have to recuse that. Actually, I feel confident 480 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 2: the DOJ rules are clear. You can't make a decision 481 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 2: whether to prosecute yourself. 482 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: Is this kind of like when he went after trumpet 483 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: Marlago for the classified documents, then Biden had a bunch 484 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: of documents like, Okay, I gotta step back here. 485 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 2: We'll have somebody else deal with this now on a determination. 486 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 2: If it escalated to the point that there was a 487 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 2: determination of a criminal investigation, I would expect that Garland 488 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 2: would recuse and the Deputy Attorney General, Lisa Monico, would 489 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 2: be the acting Attorney General for that matter. By the way, 490 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 2: same thing Jeff's sessions did. Remember Jeff's essians recused from Russia, Russia, Russia, 491 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 2: and so Rod Rosenstein was the attorney general for all 492 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 2: of that, which is why we went down that horrible road. 493 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 2: In this instance, Garland would surely recuse from decisions about himself. 494 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 2: But Lisa Monico has been perfectly willing to be part 495 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 2: of the politicization as well, and so I do not 496 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 2: believe the Department of Justice would be willing to hold 497 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 2: Merrit Garland to account. Many of us would surely call 498 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 2: for a special counsel in that circumstances. It would take 499 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 2: mounting political pressure to force that to happen. That's why 500 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 2: I think if this guy has if he has the goods, 501 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 2: if he has real evidence. Now, if it turns out 502 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 2: it's nothing, then you may not see him testify. But 503 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 2: if he's got real and compelling evidence, I expect to 504 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 2: see him testify because that's the only way to ratchet 505 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 2: up the pressure to ultimately look, if it's bad enough, 506 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 2: it could force Garland to resign, but we don't know yet, 507 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 2: so that it depends on whether there is clear evidence 508 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 2: of a political interference and b Garland committing a felony 509 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 2: in line to Congress under oath Garland. 510 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: If you're Garland, you're hoping someone else has a bad 511 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 1: week to get you off the front page. 512 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 2: And by the way, we were talking a second ago 513 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 2: about recusals of the attorney general and Jeff Sessions. If 514 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 2: you remember why Jeff Sessions recused part of it, It 515 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 2: started with his confirmation hearing. So he's before the Senate 516 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 2: Judiciary Committee being confirmed as Attorney General. And Jeff is 517 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 2: a good guy, he's a friend. I served with him 518 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 2: in the Senate for a lot of years. He was 519 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 2: on the Judiciary Committee, sat just a couple of seats 520 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 2: away from me on the Judiciary Committee. Jeff had a 521 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 2: long day of testimony, and the morning went pretty well. 522 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,239 Speaker 2: He was getting questioned, the Democrats were coming after him, 523 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 2: but he was doing a good job. As he got 524 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 2: into the afternoon, I think I got tired. Look jeff'sond 525 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 2: his seventies, and he just I think got tired and 526 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:12,719 Speaker 2: his answers got sloppy. And in particular, there was an exchange, 527 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 2: and I'm doing this for memory. I don't have the 528 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 2: transcript in front of me, but it was Al Franken, 529 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 2: who was on the committee before he resigned from the Senate, 530 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 2: and disgrace. Al Franken asked him about had he met 531 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 2: with the Russian ambassador? And Session said no, he had not, 532 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,479 Speaker 2: and then it came out that he had, and there 533 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 2: were photographs of him with the Russian ambassador, and it 534 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 2: was his answer, and he actually his answer went above 535 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,479 Speaker 2: and beyond what Franken had asked. And I think it 536 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 2: was just he was tired and sloppy. Now do I 537 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 2: think Jeff Sessions was trying to lie to Congress? No, 538 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 2: I don't think it was a deliberate lie, But it 539 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 2: became clear after his testimony that what he said was false. 540 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 2: It was lacking the intent to be criminal, but it 541 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 2: was a false statement. I think it was because he 542 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 2: was tired and he wasn't remembering and he was being sloppy. 543 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 2: But that was a major factor leading Sessions to recuse 544 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 2: himself from this. Yeah, was that he was facing and 545 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 2: there were Democrats talking about wanting to prosecute him for 546 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 2: lying to Congress the Attorney General. So look, these issues 547 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 2: are serious, and many of these same Senate Democrats on 548 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 2: Judiciary who are going to be protecting Merrick Garland, who 549 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 2: were protecting Joe Biden, were the ones calling for Sessions 550 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 2: is head over his statement, even though I think the 551 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 2: context in which it was given it was clearly not 552 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 2: done with the intent to deceive. Here, if he's making 553 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 2: a promise I'm not going to politically interfere, and then 554 00:33:55,600 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 2: he's going and politically interfering that has very likely has 555 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 2: the intent to deceive. That is essential to it being 556 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,400 Speaker 2: a criminal false statement before Congress. 557 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 1: When you have a bad week and you're in politics, 558 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 1: what you're always hoping for is that someone else has 559 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: a bad week to get you out of the headlines. 560 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 1: Rarely do we see such a bad week for this 561 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,320 Speaker 1: White House. You had a bad week with the Biden 562 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,879 Speaker 1: family and general nine people now on the take. From 563 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 1: what we understand, you got a bad week for Garland 564 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: here with this whistleblower, and then we have another bad 565 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: week for the Secretary of State, who apparently the new 566 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,920 Speaker 1: way to get that job is to orchestrate a massive 567 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 1: lie to the American people to help influence an election. 568 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,839 Speaker 1: To your guide, Joe Biden, let's go back in time 569 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,919 Speaker 1: and remind people, right before the election, Joe Biden needed 570 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,879 Speaker 1: a bailout right at his own personal bailout. You got 571 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,280 Speaker 1: fifty guys that sign a letter saying this whole Hunter 572 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: Biden laptop thing isn't real. It has all the markings 573 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:04,319 Speaker 1: of Russia interference and Russia try to influence our elections. 574 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 1: That letter, we now know was put together by the 575 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:08,760 Speaker 1: now guy who's the Secretary of the State. 576 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,320 Speaker 2: I guess it's how you get this job. 577 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 1: And remember it saved that letter that they all knew 578 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 1: they were lying when they signed it. That letter saved 579 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 1: Joe Biden's presidential campaign, and then he used it to 580 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:21,720 Speaker 1: go on offense. 581 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 2: Take a look, there. 582 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 5: Are fifty former national intelligence folks who said that what 583 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,319 Speaker 5: this he's accusing me of is a Russian plan. They 584 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,720 Speaker 5: have said that this is has all the four five 585 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 5: former heads of the CIA, both parties say what he's 586 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 5: saying is a bunch of garbage. Nobody believes it except 587 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 5: them his and his good friend Rudy Jilli. 588 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,759 Speaker 4: You mean the laptop is now another Russia Russia Russia. 589 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 5: Hoax, And that's exactly what, exactly. 590 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 2: What this is where he's going. 591 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 1: I love that exchange because it's classic Trump. But you 592 00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 1: listen to him. He went on offense this letter and 593 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 1: now this letter has it has completely blown up in 594 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 1: the face of the Democrats. We have official testimony that 595 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 1: they knew they were basically lying. They knew they were 596 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 1: going to just see the American people. These are the 597 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,279 Speaker 1: people we're supposed to be trusting with our national intelligence, 598 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 1: with keeping us safe, with it being in the deeps, 599 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, this is the swamp. This is 600 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,520 Speaker 1: the swamp of the swamp, and now it comes out 601 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:23,400 Speaker 1: it's all just political. 602 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 2: We made it all up. So several observations. One, it's 603 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 2: really striking watching that this is something you said to 604 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,799 Speaker 2: me when we were watching the clip right before we 605 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 2: started filming. How much Joe Biden has deteriorated in the 606 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,280 Speaker 2: last two and a half years just from that. It's unbelievable. 607 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 2: That was October of twenty twenty. Now, I assumed they 608 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 2: had him pumped up with drugs, but he was so 609 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 2: much more alert there than he is now. It's like, wow, Yeah, 610 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,200 Speaker 2: the decline is massive. When you look at that clip, 611 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,279 Speaker 2: it is he was diminished there, but the difference from 612 00:36:56,360 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 2: there to now is striking. Look the Hunter Biden laptop. 613 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 2: Hunter Biden has been a screw up his whole life. 614 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,239 Speaker 2: The laptop. I mean, it is pretty idiotic that you 615 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 2: have a laptop with all sorts of incriminating information about you, 616 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,400 Speaker 2: your family, the money you're making from communist China, your dad, 617 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,279 Speaker 2: nine family members being on the take, and you just 618 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,840 Speaker 2: leave it at a repair shop and Russian oligarks. You 619 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 2: still haven't been sanctioned at some level. It's so ridiculous. 620 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:31,279 Speaker 2: I'm sure Joe Biden is like, for Pete's sake, like 621 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:43,279 Speaker 2: Hunter stop. Yeah. But when the story broke this was October, 622 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,719 Speaker 2: This was a couple of weeks before the election. The 623 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,319 Speaker 2: Biden campaign was in full on panic mode, and so 624 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,239 Speaker 2: this letter. It was signed by fifty one current and 625 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:58,280 Speaker 2: former senior members of the intelligence community, heads of the CIA, 626 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 2: James Clapper Brennan's the top dogs. Yeah, and what we 627 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,799 Speaker 2: didn't know until this week is that Tony Blinken was 628 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,719 Speaker 2: the guy who spearheaded the whole thing, who organized the 629 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 2: whole thing. We don't think of our secretaries of state 630 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:19,080 Speaker 2: as political operatives that are dealing with a cleanup on 631 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,920 Speaker 2: Aisle six. I mean this was okay, now, it was 632 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 2: a foreign policy It was are the Bidens in the 633 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,400 Speaker 2: tank with corrupt foreign governments? So I guess that's foreign 634 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:36,399 Speaker 2: policy in a sense. And their lie to cover it up. 635 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,719 Speaker 2: This is Russian information. That is a lie. It was 636 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 2: not Russian information. It did not come from Russia. And 637 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,640 Speaker 2: by the way, you know who knew it wasn't Russian disinformation, 638 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 2: Hunter Biden. You know who else knew it wasn't Russian disinformation? 639 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 2: Joe Biden. Joe Biden right there, knew he was lying. 640 00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 2: But he sends Tony, Tony go go get. Had everyone 641 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,600 Speaker 2: to sign up, you know, people like Mike Morrell, who 642 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,239 Speaker 2: was the deputy head of the CIA, who said, oh, look, 643 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:07,839 Speaker 2: I signed it because I wanted Joe Biden to win. 644 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:08,919 Speaker 2: Let's be clear. 645 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,760 Speaker 1: He testified that if people missed this, he actually testified 646 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,799 Speaker 1: The reason why he got all these people together and 647 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,840 Speaker 1: got them to do this letter is because we wanted 648 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,000 Speaker 1: Joe Biden to win. They're telling you, yes, we lied 649 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,560 Speaker 1: and misled the election. You know, the people going to 650 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,080 Speaker 1: decide the president is going to be in an election, 651 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:28,839 Speaker 1: and we did it because we wanted our guy to win. 652 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 1: And the payoff for Anthony Wing was you get to 653 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:32,880 Speaker 1: become the Secretary of State. 654 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:39,280 Speaker 2: It does suggest how important was it to Joe Biden 655 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,239 Speaker 2: that they put this letter together and lie about the 656 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:47,319 Speaker 2: Hunter Biden laptop. Important enough that the guy who fixed it, 657 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:53,560 Speaker 2: at least temporarily gets secretary of State. I mean, well, 658 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,720 Speaker 2: and look, this is a problem the Secretary of State. 659 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:03,400 Speaker 2: They often hold themselves out to be above politics outside 660 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,320 Speaker 2: of politics, but now the State Department is in a mess. 661 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:11,799 Speaker 2: And okay, so State Department press briefing, their press spokesperson 662 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,440 Speaker 2: was asked about it. Hit his answer, Watch and listen, 663 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:18,640 Speaker 2: it's it's it's pretty during funny. Does the Secretary just. 664 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,600 Speaker 3: View the accuracy of the GUP letter sent to him 665 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,160 Speaker 3: on Hunter Biden and then does he also plan to 666 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,680 Speaker 3: comply and respond to it by May fourth? 667 00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:30,280 Speaker 1: The deadline? That is a not a state Department issue, 668 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:31,880 Speaker 1: So I don't have a comment for you on that. 669 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:33,719 Speaker 2: We can ask you. 670 00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,759 Speaker 3: About it because we've asked the State Department to providxims 671 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:37,600 Speaker 3: we're coming on this. 672 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:41,560 Speaker 1: Letter, and it's not clear who else outside of the 673 00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:42,680 Speaker 1: Department we can ask. 674 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,239 Speaker 2: Given it did happen before he was Secretary of State, 675 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,399 Speaker 2: it is not a State Department issue. And I don't 676 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,080 Speaker 2: really have a comment on this from the State Department. 677 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,439 Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's that's a hard day's work right there. 678 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,160 Speaker 2: How is this not a State Department issue? When it 679 00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:59,279 Speaker 2: is absolutely a state department issue. So I got to say, 680 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,120 Speaker 2: first of all, for those watching the video version of 681 00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:07,719 Speaker 2: this on YouTube, that guy looks twelve, like like, is 682 00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:09,840 Speaker 2: is this take take your kid to school day? And 683 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,359 Speaker 2: you know he's he's like in eighth grade and gets 684 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:17,400 Speaker 2: to answer questions and clearly with the discipline of a 685 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,360 Speaker 2: middle schooler. He had a line, this is not a 686 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,080 Speaker 2: State Department issue, and I have don't have a comment 687 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,040 Speaker 2: on that is the only line he was going to say. Now, 688 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,640 Speaker 2: I get the State Department is an entity may not 689 00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,680 Speaker 2: want to talk about this, but what about Tony Lincoln? Yeah, 690 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,960 Speaker 2: like is he going to say something is he going 691 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,960 Speaker 2: to admit to it, and let's be clear, what is 692 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:43,120 Speaker 2: the it that he should admit to. Did he organize 693 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:48,600 Speaker 2: this letter, did he know it was a lie? Did 694 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:53,839 Speaker 2: he do it politically to benefit Joe Biden even though 695 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,920 Speaker 2: he knew it was a lie? And what did he 696 00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,960 Speaker 2: say to convince these people to sign on? And also 697 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,919 Speaker 2: who didn't sign on fifty one did Yeah? 698 00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,359 Speaker 1: We our fifty eight sixty seventy that were contacted and 699 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:10,640 Speaker 1: only these hacks signed it. 700 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,520 Speaker 2: I got to ask you this though, about all of 701 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:17,160 Speaker 2: these people. And by the way, this letter also became 702 00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,120 Speaker 2: yet another basis for big tech to suppress the story 703 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,520 Speaker 2: as well, so and the media and the media, they 704 00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,800 Speaker 2: were all intertwined. You can't talk about this doesn't exist. 705 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,759 Speaker 2: It's Orwellian. We are erasing this story because we do 706 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,800 Speaker 2: not wish it to hurt our political narrative. 707 00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,200 Speaker 1: You look at the narrative of that letter, and it 708 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,680 Speaker 1: was not just the fact that it was a bailout. 709 00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,200 Speaker 1: It changed it to going on offense, which is what 710 00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,600 Speaker 1: you want to do in politics. Yeah, it allowed the 711 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,000 Speaker 1: media to say, we're not going to have Russian interfere 712 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,480 Speaker 1: in our elections, So we're America Kumbai Ya, and that's 713 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:54,200 Speaker 1: why we're protecting you from disinformation from the Russian So 714 00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,960 Speaker 1: it justified that ability, gave them a probable cause to 715 00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,359 Speaker 1: say we did the right thing. But what about all 716 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,880 Speaker 1: of these men that signed on to this letter that 717 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,879 Speaker 1: have tops of your clearance still to this day? 718 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:06,680 Speaker 2: Many of them do. 719 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,120 Speaker 1: Half of them are commentators getting paid to go on MSNBC, 720 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:11,400 Speaker 1: NBC and CNN. 721 00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:13,560 Speaker 2: I had to deal with a couple of them at CNN. 722 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:15,320 Speaker 2: They're making money. 723 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,520 Speaker 1: Off of still having their top secret clearance where they 724 00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,600 Speaker 1: have they deliberately misled the American people to change an 725 00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,479 Speaker 1: alt to the outcome and election. Can you guys take 726 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,360 Speaker 1: away their topsier clearance for doing this knowing they were 727 00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:27,600 Speaker 1: lying to the American people? 728 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,480 Speaker 2: Well, the problem in that question is the word you guys, 729 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:36,760 Speaker 2: Because yeah, because clearance is given in the executive branch. 730 00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,319 Speaker 2: And so what are the chances that the Biden administration 731 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:47,319 Speaker 2: is going to revoke clearance? Zero? Because these were all 732 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:52,120 Speaker 2: the president's men. Look, these two stories are intertwined very much. So, 733 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:57,279 Speaker 2: I mean, we started talking first about Merrick Garland potentially 734 00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:02,800 Speaker 2: perjuring himself to cover up his political interference to stop 735 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,000 Speaker 2: the investigation in a hunter Biden and Joe Biden's potential 736 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:11,200 Speaker 2: corruption together. Mark Garland's attorney general and he's willing to 737 00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,840 Speaker 2: be politicized. Tony blink And is Secretary of State. You 738 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,000 Speaker 2: want to talk about two of the very top cabinet positions. 739 00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:23,719 Speaker 2: They're both doing the same thing. They view their job is. 740 00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:28,960 Speaker 2: We are political operatives and our priority is not truth. 741 00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:32,200 Speaker 2: Our priority is not following the law. 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Can you guys ask him questions 769 00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:59,239 Speaker 1: now on this and or does he just say, hey, 770 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,640 Speaker 1: that was as previous life. I don't have to answer 771 00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:05,080 Speaker 1: any these questions. I'm now just working as an official government. 772 00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,640 Speaker 1: That was in my private time on the campaign. 773 00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:09,800 Speaker 2: So I don't expect the Democrats in the Senate to 774 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,239 Speaker 2: want to ask anything about it, but we will ask 775 00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,600 Speaker 2: him questions. I'm on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Tony 776 00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:20,560 Speaker 2: Blinken testifies regularly before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, he 777 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:24,160 Speaker 2: will be forced to answer questions. But if not, you 778 00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,920 Speaker 2: better believe the next time he testifies before Senate Foreign 779 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,239 Speaker 2: Relations I'm going to ask him about it, and my 780 00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,600 Speaker 2: guess is he'll be forced to answer. Even before then, 781 00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,600 Speaker 2: we'll see what he says. He'll come up with a statement. 782 00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,880 Speaker 2: The statement will deny responsibility, will dodge, will be you know, 783 00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,600 Speaker 2: I was a foreign policy advisor for the campaign and 784 00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:48,480 Speaker 2: had lots of responsibilities that dealt with foreign policy, and 785 00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:56,600 Speaker 2: Russian disinformation is foreign policy. I'm going to predict whatever 786 00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:01,000 Speaker 2: statement he puts out will not address remotely the fact 787 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,480 Speaker 2: that they were all deliberately lying. Will just completely ignore 788 00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:08,399 Speaker 2: that fact and try to say nothing to see here. Yes, 789 00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,000 Speaker 2: everyone knows I was an advisor on the campaign, and 790 00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,080 Speaker 2: so I was an advisor on the campaign. That's what 791 00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:17,760 Speaker 2: I expect. Last question, Anthony Blincoln or Garland? 792 00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,200 Speaker 1: Who would you not want to be in these two 793 00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,240 Speaker 1: scenarios as it moves forward? 794 00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:29,000 Speaker 2: And why Garland Garland? Depending on the quality of the 795 00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:34,080 Speaker 2: evidence that this whistleblower has, Garland potentially has real legal 796 00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:42,840 Speaker 2: exposure here Blinkin. It's unseemly, it's embarrassing, it's indicative of 797 00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,719 Speaker 2: his being a political hack before he became Secretary of State, 798 00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,359 Speaker 2: and so that you don't feel good about that. Yeah, 799 00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:55,480 Speaker 2: but there's nothing in that that is allegedly illegal. There's 800 00:47:55,560 --> 00:48:00,560 Speaker 2: not legal jeopardy and any prosecution that follows from that Garland, 801 00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,360 Speaker 2: And to be clear, we're nowhere close to a prosecution 802 00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,160 Speaker 2: for Garland. 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