Speaker 1: Look, Hell is only films to be buried with Judgment Day. Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome to films to be buried with Judgment Day.
Speaker 1: My name is Brett Goldstein. I'm a comedian and actor,
Speaker 1: a writer, a director, a peccadillo, and I love films.
Speaker 1: As Theodore Roosevelt once said, do what you can with
Speaker 1: what you have where you are. Also, take my advice
Speaker 1: and watch Megan. It's so bloody entertaining, you'll love it.
Speaker 1: I swear yeah, I'd agree with that. Theodore Roosevelt World.
Speaker 1: And every week I invite special guests over, I tell
Speaker 1: them they've died. Then I get them to discuss their
Speaker 1: life through the films that meant the most of them.
Speaker 1: But not today. Today is Judgment Day. The world has ended,
Speaker 1: and Camille u Chan stands before me. She has one
Speaker 1: chance to prove why I should send her to Heaven
Speaker 1: and not to Hell. What will happen, Well, you'll find
Speaker 1: out quite soon, as soon as we've done this intro
Speaker 1: and whatnot. Okay, enjoy it. Check out the Patreon at
Speaker 1: patreon dot com forward slash Brett Goldstein, where you get
Speaker 1: an extra twenty minutes of chat with Camille. We talk secrets,
Speaker 1: We talk all kinds of things. You also get the
Speaker 1: whole episode uncut and ad free and as a video.
Speaker 1: Check it out over at patreon dot com. Forward Slash
Speaker 1: Brett Goldstein, Camille ou Chan. This is her third time
Speaker 1: on the show. She is one of my all time
Speaker 1: favorite guests, some one of my all time favorite people.
Speaker 1: She's a sketch, comedian, a writer, and actor. She's in
Speaker 1: the brilliant the Horn section on Channel four. She is
Speaker 1: just wonderful and I love her. You love her, and
Speaker 1: that's why she's back on this to face Judgment Day.
Speaker 1: We recorded this the other day on Zoom and I
Speaker 1: think you will love it. So that is it for now.
Speaker 1: I very much hope you enjoy episode two hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty five of Films to be Buried with Judgment Day. Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome to Films to be Buried with Judgment Day.
Speaker 1: It is I Brett Goldstein, and I am joined for
Speaker 1: the third time by an actor, a writer, a producer,
Speaker 1: a sketch, a stand up an award winner, a TV personality,
Speaker 1: a real life personality, and a walking personality and everyone's
Speaker 1: top two episodes of the podcast in all its history.
Speaker 1: I can't believe we managed to get her back. Her
Speaker 1: fee goes up every time she does it. She's getting
Speaker 1: close to run affordable. She's finally here. She's your favorite,
Speaker 1: she's my favorite, She's the people's favorite. Please welcome back
Speaker 1: to the show. The wonderful, the brilliant came here, Dan,
Speaker 1: thank you very much. I mean, I'm not a producer.
Speaker 1: I'm not too v personality. I think there was a
Speaker 1: couple of others in there that I'm not, but I'll
Speaker 1: take it. Hello. Hello, You've feeled off every single job
Speaker 1: you could think of. There, Hello you, Hello, I miss
Speaker 1: you too. It feels like you've been gone for ages.
Speaker 1: Get back to London. You'll miss it. You'll miss it soon,
Speaker 1: You'll you'll miss it. Yeah. What do you miss the most?
Speaker 1: You sket cos? I missed the birthday girls, miss Stetko.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah, you've just reminded me. You know
Speaker 1: James my husband, Yeah you do. Yeah, you know. You
Speaker 1: know he had that he had He's done it three
Speaker 1: times as well. He had that article written about him
Speaker 1: about his sort of dual life of doing football and
Speaker 1: sketch comedy. And I think the person that wrote it
Speaker 1: heard the term sket coo on your on your podcast
Speaker 1: when you were speaking to James, Birthday Girls came up
Speaker 1: with Sketcho sketch comedy. For any lists that don't know
Speaker 1: what we're talking about, I think he does. I think so.
Speaker 1: I can't remember I have read it. You're quoted lovely
Speaker 1: little quote. Yeah, I'm quoted in the B circle. For
Speaker 1: those of you who don't do the Beast is if
Speaker 1: you've not been paying attention, I don't know why you're
Speaker 1: you're you're listening to this, But James McNicholas also one
Speaker 1: of the best episodes two three of the best episodes
Speaker 1: is Camille's Husband and Lover. I think you still let
Speaker 1: it be? Yeah? Yeah, why not now? And then? Yeah? No,
Speaker 1: good for you. Now, since we last did the podcast,
Speaker 1: you've become an international TV star. What do you want
Speaker 1: about the fucking horn section? Stop talking about yourself, Brett.
Speaker 1: The horn section is huge, fucking smash, hilarious hit TV show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the horn section. I'm not a massive part of it,
Speaker 1: don't you know I'm going to be. There are no
Speaker 1: small parts. You're there stealing all the scenes. I love it, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do. I love it. It's a great show. It
Speaker 1: was really fun to do. It was on Channel four.
Speaker 1: Don't know if you can get it in the States.
Speaker 1: You can get it on what's it called here again? Four?
Speaker 1: Rod All four or four you can get it on
Speaker 1: all four. We're hopefully doing more. So Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: a really fun job, really exciting, so funny. Tell me
Speaker 1: this since we last spoke. Yeah, you were resurrected. You
Speaker 1: know when the things that initially drew the world to
Speaker 1: you was your enormous death anxiety. How's that these days?
Speaker 1: It's interesting? Mixed, it's mixed and do you know what,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you more when we get onto your Patreon section. Okay,
Speaker 1: little what about that little tantalizing I've done you some
Speaker 1: good promo there. Yeah. I think first podcast we did
Speaker 1: was it during Lockdown or no, we did it faced
Speaker 1: we did Oh my god, we did it for a
Speaker 1: Life pre pan Emi. Yeah you were the first. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so sorry, I'm thinking of maybe the second one got
Speaker 1: bad in Lockdown Resurrection. Yeah, I'm obviously I'm happy to
Speaker 1: be back for a third time. Yea, But I need
Speaker 1: you to know I have exhausted every single film I
Speaker 1: have ever watched on your first two podcasts, I have
Speaker 1: had to delve deep into my psyche to think of
Speaker 1: films I watched years ago for this. But yeah, death anxiety.
Speaker 1: Remember when, Yeah, when we first spoke, I think it
Speaker 1: was quite bad. Second time we spoke, i'd started therapy.
Speaker 1: Maybe second time we spoke your stytotherapy, because one of
Speaker 1: your big things was fear of flaying, and you'd started
Speaker 1: and doing a bit more of the old flaying. That
Speaker 1: was it, and it got a lot better. And now
Speaker 1: I would say it's sort of a bit more up
Speaker 1: and down, but mostly good, mostly good. I think I
Speaker 1: remember on a pod we did before, I talked a
Speaker 1: lot about getting into that sort of spiral, that black
Speaker 1: hole of death anxiety. I don't jump into that black
Speaker 1: hole as often these days. That's good tools to get
Speaker 1: out of it quickly, more tools. Still doing therapy, which
Speaker 1: I think helps. My therapist did say the other day,
Speaker 1: do you want to carry on with the sessions? I
Speaker 1: think you should. I said, yeah, definitely. I think that
Speaker 1: is mainly the main thing that has helped, to be honest.
Speaker 1: So do you think, if I may ask, it is
Speaker 1: I don't know what you do with the therapist. Is
Speaker 1: it just being able to talk to someone about it
Speaker 1: once a week is useful? Or do you like do
Speaker 1: exercises with the therapists, the practical things that you have
Speaker 1: gone down to every other week. Well done me, very huge. Hello. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's knowing I've got that space to talk
Speaker 1: about it. But I think it's also I think it's
Speaker 1: also being busier in my life generally, like busier with work,
Speaker 1: busier with just keeping my mind focused on other things,
Speaker 1: just trying to keep my mind. I have a I
Speaker 1: think I have a very active mind. It's always thinking, always,
Speaker 1: you know, bubbling a way. And if I can put
Speaker 1: other things into my mind that are not just my
Speaker 1: anxious thoughts, that has helped. So if I try try
Speaker 1: and redirect my thinking a lot. I mean, that's literally
Speaker 1: the secret of what I am. An absolute WORKERHOI people
Speaker 1: and say when do you sleep? Why don't you ever
Speaker 1: take a ring of that? Oh, because I'd be fucking
Speaker 1: mad if I did. Because you don't want to have
Speaker 1: to think. Yeah, I mean, in a way, that is
Speaker 1: that avoidance. Yes, absolutely, it is. Keep it up. We
Speaker 1: don't need to think about I'm not as much as
Speaker 1: a work of a workaholic as you. I don't think.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to say that you're madder than me.
Speaker 1: That you. But I do think you should keep having therapy.
Speaker 1: I do think you should keep them sessions. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: do go for it. You you work in more than
Speaker 1: loud night. I think the word avoidance has negative connotations,
Speaker 1: and I think that might be. It's not avoidance, it's you.
Speaker 1: It's your coping techniques. And again it sounds negative. Techniques.
Speaker 1: To cope is to succeed, right, Oh, you've coped, You
Speaker 1: coped through. That's how you stay positive. I mean, you
Speaker 1: do always say that you started stand up to avoid
Speaker 1: it dinner party, didn't you. Yes, and absolutely stand by that.
Speaker 1: And I was talking to someone the other day and
Speaker 1: they were like, oh god, I've got to go to
Speaker 1: this thing and I've got to go to that thing.
Speaker 1: And I was like, just to stand up and then
Speaker 1: you never have to go to anything. Yeah, that it
Speaker 1: is true. You do get out of a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: I've got out of so many hen parties and stuff
Speaker 1: like that by doing comedy so many. I think you've
Speaker 1: got two options in this life. Have a baby, because
Speaker 1: that gets you out of a lot of things. Kind
Speaker 1: of got a baby or kind of got a gig.
Speaker 1: Having a baby seems more consistent. Work thin I've got
Speaker 1: a good to me, and I think people more accepting
Speaker 1: of it. If you say you can't go to a
Speaker 1: wedding because you've got a gig that doesn't look good, Oh,
Speaker 1: you think it's better to go. I can't go to
Speaker 1: wedding because I've got a baby. I think people would
Speaker 1: be more understanding of that, wouldn't they say, Oh, can't
Speaker 1: you bring bring the baby? We really want you in
Speaker 1: our wedding, whereas you can't bring the gig. I can't
Speaker 1: bring the gig. Sorry. I think most people don't want
Speaker 1: a baby at their wedding. They'd be like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't worry. I understand because if it's a gig, they're like,
Speaker 1: why can't you cancer? Why can't you just not do
Speaker 1: your gig? Havn't said that? You did come to my
Speaker 1: hen party and my wedding, so well done. You don't
Speaker 1: tell the others that suggests that I only do things
Speaker 1: I want to do. Of course I was going to
Speaker 1: come to your emparty in your wedding. There were two
Speaker 1: of the best notes of my life. Your headpot. It
Speaker 1: was fucking wicked. Actually, one nice thing that needs to
Speaker 1: be said in public is since we lasted this podcast.
Speaker 1: You took up stand up and came into very That's
Speaker 1: very loose, isn't it. I disagree. I'd say you were
Speaker 1: an excellent born stand up I have a proof. I
Speaker 1: saw it. You did ten minutes. You actually semessed it
Speaker 1: three times I saw. Yeah. Well, i'd say I did
Speaker 1: do it five times. Three of them were because you
Speaker 1: made me come and do it with you. Yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: keep doing it. I'll keep doing it until you get
Speaker 1: out of enough dinner. If my entire stand up career
Speaker 1: is just coming and doing ten minutes just before you
Speaker 1: come on stage, that'd be quite nice. Actually, it's not
Speaker 1: a bad life, is it. I wouldn't mind that. No,
Speaker 1: you just stand up where I say. I do stand
Speaker 1: up only if it's spreads gig and I just do
Speaker 1: ten minutes before he comes on. Yeah, that's why I do.
Speaker 1: I haven't done it since then, literally five gigs. Don't
Speaker 1: get me wrong. I did enjoy it. You're very good.
Speaker 1: I did enjoy it, but I'm from a sketcho background.
Speaker 1: I did miss having other people on stage with me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't beat it. I don't think, of course, if
Speaker 1: you get a laugh and you're on stage on your
Speaker 1: own that feels good, that feels really, that really massages
Speaker 1: the ego. But cunny, dare I say this? You could
Speaker 1: have both. You could stand up. If sometimes beat you
Speaker 1: and rows are busy, you could do stand up. And
Speaker 1: if you can do sktco. No one I can really choose.
Speaker 1: I'm not. I love your sketcho. Everyone used to stop skateko.
Speaker 1: It's something to think about. I enjoy being at home
Speaker 1: watching Telly in the evenings too much to do stand up.
Speaker 1: I love watching Telly. I told you the thing that
Speaker 1: I used to do. I mean, I hadn't really come up,
Speaker 1: but I've realized that I don't have time to watch
Speaker 1: a lot of Telly because well, you're watching all the films.
Speaker 1: You're watching every film that comes out. You've got to
Speaker 1: watch the films exactly. So anytime I have watching the films,
Speaker 1: but I'm aware of stuff like as in, yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what's you know what's Yeah, I know what people
Speaker 1: are talking about. I get the gist of the thing
Speaker 1: that like, I've never seen real housewaves, but I know
Speaker 1: what it is. Yeah, yeah, I know what you mean.
Speaker 1: If I've ever hosted a comedy show, don't I love
Speaker 1: to try and slip in a reference to a thing
Speaker 1: that I don't know what it is to see if
Speaker 1: because I think I know, I think I get it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but like saying, oh, here we go the real housewaves
Speaker 1: have turned up something like that something for it, and
Speaker 1: being feeling very cheeky because I'm thinking, I, actually I
Speaker 1: don't watch it. The problem is I have done that.
Speaker 1: I don't watch what was the show? I tried to
Speaker 1: reference Game of Thrones and I can't even remember now
Speaker 1: what they're called. There's something a Game of Thrones are
Speaker 1: they called the white Walkers, the Sleepwalkers something there something,
Speaker 1: the white Walkers And I think I tried to do
Speaker 1: a clever reference like that and I called them like
Speaker 1: the Sleepwalkers or something like that, and BTA Rows were
Speaker 1: on stage with me, and it was it was It
Speaker 1: was mortifying it because like when you're trying to sort
Speaker 1: of be cool and like, yeah, yeah, I know the
Speaker 1: reference and you just get it wrong. The Sleepwalkers, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: just like Sleepwalkers. They just they laughed and the audience
Speaker 1: just slip bewildered. The giggle was already going badly, and
Speaker 1: then that really tipped it over the edge. But that
Speaker 1: this has just reminded me of a time I think
Speaker 1: I posted it on Instagram. It was when Handmaid's Tail
Speaker 1: had just gotten massive, and I posted a picture of
Speaker 1: like a blacked out car that they like, one of
Speaker 1: the cars that they have in Handmaid's Tail, and I
Speaker 1: just put the caption under his eye, and I remember
Speaker 1: you messaged me and you were like, what's that you've
Speaker 1: just posted on your Instagram? And I replied and told
Speaker 1: you the reference. You have to know, you have to
Speaker 1: know what it is, but you won't watch the show.
Speaker 1: It in Camille. Oh done, you have died again. Because
Speaker 1: it is now judgment day. You stand on the edge
Speaker 1: of heaven and hell. You must tell me the best
Speaker 1: and worst thing that you did in this life and
Speaker 1: maybe answer some questions a bad film. In the end,
Speaker 1: I will decide whether you get to go to heaven
Speaker 1: or Hell. Understood, Condie understood? Is that are you doing
Speaker 1: the voice of God? That's for you, that's for you
Speaker 1: to go? Okay, Okay, tell me the best and worst
Speaker 1: thing you did in this life, and I'll decide whether
Speaker 1: where you're going. Hello, just jumping in here because I've
Speaker 1: had cold feet about the best thing I ever did,
Speaker 1: going out into the podcast universe. When chatting to Brett,
Speaker 1: because we're good friends, we do chat about personal things,
Speaker 1: and I've realized that the best thing I ever did
Speaker 1: is maybe a bit too personal, or the film's to
Speaker 1: be buried with audience. I do apologize. I know that
Speaker 1: probably makes it sound even more tantalizing. It's not. Don't worry.
Speaker 1: It's just that the best thing I ever did, I
Speaker 1: did it anonymously, and I think it's probably best for
Speaker 1: it to remain anonymous. So Brett said, I could just
Speaker 1: rerecord a different answer to the best thing I ever did,
Speaker 1: So I'm going to give you a couple to make
Speaker 1: up for it. One of them is stopping using fabric conditioner.
Speaker 1: Don't use It makes you close bobbily, apparently, in some
Speaker 1: instances makes them flammable. I read that online. Don't know
Speaker 1: if it's true, but you don't need to use fabric conditioner.
Speaker 1: Pop a little teaspoon of vinegar in that draw does
Speaker 1: the same job. Doesn't smell of vinegar. Number two, Start
Speaker 1: your day by drinking lemon water. This is something that
Speaker 1: Brett actually introduced me too many years ago. I maybe
Speaker 1: I've mentioned it on the pod before. I don't know.
Speaker 1: If he still does it, I'm still doing it religiously.
Speaker 1: A lovely way to start the day, really cleanses you.
Speaker 1: And it's probably the only habit slash ritual that I
Speaker 1: actually stick with. I say that I journal, but maybe
Speaker 1: it's once a week. If that that's a lie. I
Speaker 1: don't journal that often, but do do journal. That is
Speaker 1: a good thing to do. Thank you, sorry for breaking
Speaker 1: up the pod. Bye. The worst thing I've did when
Speaker 1: I was younger, So my sister has a disability called CMT,
Speaker 1: and it affects all the muscles. Where someone has CMT,
Speaker 1: it affects all the muscles in their body. And when
Speaker 1: I was younger, we went on this sort of organized trip.
Speaker 1: It was for kids and their siblings, kids that had
Speaker 1: CMT and their siblings, so the sibling could go whether
Speaker 1: they had CMT or not, and the kids that it
Speaker 1: was like a kind of adventure weekend in the late
Speaker 1: district where kids that maybe normally don't get to do
Speaker 1: sort of like more physical, adventurous stuff, they had a
Speaker 1: lot of more support so they could do it. And
Speaker 1: if you had CMT, I don't. I mean, it's a
Speaker 1: bit sort of a bit odd that they did this anyway,
Speaker 1: But if you had CMT, you wore this little badge
Speaker 1: that had like wonky feet on it to sort of
Speaker 1: show the people in the group that you were someone
Speaker 1: that had had this condition, that you might need a
Speaker 1: bit of extra help or support. And I didn't realize
Speaker 1: I accidentally had the CMT badge on rather than the
Speaker 1: other one and my sister. I was with my sister
Speaker 1: and something happened. I dropped something on the floor, and
Speaker 1: someone else, I think someone who actually did have CMT,
Speaker 1: saw that I dropped something, looked at my badge, assumed
Speaker 1: I had CMT, and they picked this thing up for
Speaker 1: me and went out of their way to pick up
Speaker 1: all this stuff that I dropped off the floor. And
Speaker 1: instead of saying, oh, no, I can do that myself,
Speaker 1: I just sort of let them do it and pick
Speaker 1: it all up for me. And I didn't say I'm
Speaker 1: I've got the badge by accident. I don't I don't
Speaker 1: know how I've got this badge on. And my sister
Speaker 1: always brings it up as like, I can't believe you
Speaker 1: let everyone think you had CMT and they had to
Speaker 1: pick everything up for you. I don't know why I
Speaker 1: didn't say I don't know why I felt I felt awkward.
Speaker 1: I felt like, I think, once the CMT person is
Speaker 1: doing is already bending down, you can't. I gotta let
Speaker 1: it go. I got You've got to go all in.
Speaker 1: You have to. I'm not even sure what you did
Speaker 1: was a crime. I think it's just something that plays
Speaker 1: on my mind, just like, oh, that was a bit bad,
Speaker 1: that was a bit but wait, I've revisited the CMT
Speaker 1: crime and the camera footage does look pretty bad, particularly
Speaker 1: because you were laughing and pointing as the person picked
Speaker 1: up your staff. I can't decide whether to send you
Speaker 1: to heaven or hell. So where don't we talk about
Speaker 1: films and see if that will help? Please? Please, thank you?
Speaker 1: What is the film that you saw when you were
Speaker 1: too young to see it that affected you the most?
Speaker 1: So I think, if my memory serves me right, that
Speaker 1: I watched this particular film at like a girly sleepover,
Speaker 1: and I think I think we thought it was kind
Speaker 1: of like a bit of a pawn film and it
Speaker 1: was like a bit naughty of us to watch it,
Speaker 1: and that's why we wanted to watch it. And the
Speaker 1: film was Lolita. Jeremy Ions went the Jeremy Irons one
Speaker 1: the late nineties one Jeremy Ions, and I think we
Speaker 1: didn't fully no sort of what it properly was. We
Speaker 1: just sort of heard of this film and I don't
Speaker 1: even remember the whole film that well. I haven't watched
Speaker 1: it since then, but I just remember the scene, you know,
Speaker 1: with the money on the bed and her like saying
Speaker 1: that she earned the money, and I think I think
Speaker 1: it was just like the first time i'd seen sex
Speaker 1: in like a transactional way, in that way, and it
Speaker 1: felt I remember feeling like this feels a bit icky,
Speaker 1: or like this feels this feels I can't quite I
Speaker 1: couldn't quite work out what was going on. It made
Speaker 1: me feel uncomfortable the film. It made me feel uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: and I was definitely too young to be watching it.
Speaker 1: I did, I didn't really. On the plus side, seemed
Speaker 1: like you interpreted it correctly at a young age. It wasn't.
Speaker 1: It's a different story if you go I think I
Speaker 1: was too young because I was like fo, it wasn't
Speaker 1: like I watched it, I went, oh this is great, Yeah, yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I know. I distinctly remember feeling uncomfortable watched it and
Speaker 1: thinking this isn't what I thought it was going to be.
Speaker 1: This isn't It wasn't like a fun girly sleepover watch.
Speaker 1: It's a really funny film to watch for a girly
Speaker 1: sleepy I think that followed, like, you know, an Anne
Speaker 1: Summer's DVD one of us had bought, or something that
Speaker 1: had like a plumber in it. You know, it was
Speaker 1: just I really tame, you know, poor no um. But yeah,
Speaker 1: definitely Lolita. It's never come up. If you could play
Speaker 1: one character in a film, which one would it be?
Speaker 1: Angelina Jolie in two Radar? Oh what a show? Of course?
Speaker 1: Of course. I feel like I feel like, surely the
Speaker 1: answer to most of this is like the answer I'm
Speaker 1: sure a lot of people say something where they have
Speaker 1: to get really sort of buff and like skilled at something.
Speaker 1: You know, I feel like, you know, anything like that
Speaker 1: Angelina Jolie. I used to be I. I remember I
Speaker 1: went through a phase where I really wanted to be
Speaker 1: what's her name? Demi Moore and g I Jane. I've
Speaker 1: not seen Woman King yet, but I imagine when I
Speaker 1: watched that, I'll want to be Viola Davis. Yeah. Anything
Speaker 1: I want to get I want to get ripped and
Speaker 1: pumped and do backflips off a motorbike holding a gun like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to get really I want to get really
Speaker 1: good and I want to Yeah, I want to be
Speaker 1: in training for six months. Yeah, I think you could
Speaker 1: do all of this. I absolutely can see you as teammate.
Speaker 1: I think you've got all the characteristics you need for you.
Speaker 1: I think the only thing that we get I'm so
Speaker 1: small and weak. No, you're you're good at physical stuff.
Speaker 1: You're very good at like your physic You're good at physicality.
Speaker 1: Being a physical performer is different to punching. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: go on. Sorry. The only down side is your and
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a clinical condition that you
Speaker 1: have no understanding of space, spacial awareness, spatial awareness. You know.
Speaker 1: What I think of you is like, you know, this
Speaker 1: is my theory about you. I don't ever told you
Speaker 1: those You don't know if you're with Camille when you're working,
Speaker 1: so you will just sort of walk into you because
Speaker 1: just sort of constantly veer into you, like you're going
Speaker 1: in a straight lane. She saw it, goes daggon and
Speaker 1: pushes you across the road sort of thing. And you know,
Speaker 1: cats have whiskers to judge distances around them, and if
Speaker 1: you trim their whiskers, they don't know where the edges
Speaker 1: of anything is trim. I've lost my whisky. I've lost
Speaker 1: my rod and whiskey. See you doing everything like swinging
Speaker 1: on a rope, but I'm worried that you'd swing on
Speaker 1: a rope to go through a window and you just
Speaker 1: hit the wall a lot. Yeah, yeah, that's yea yeah,
Speaker 1: well definitely. But in an ideal world, if I could
Speaker 1: play whiskers on me, and I suddenly maybe I should
Speaker 1: try that in real life. I remember, I think the
Speaker 1: last time I saw you, we were walking in Soho
Speaker 1: and I ended up almost walking us into the middle
Speaker 1: of the road. It's really charming. I do love it,
Speaker 1: and I do think of all the ways i'd like
Speaker 1: to day when them is being walked into the road
Speaker 1: by you just slowly trying kill me. Great answer, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that would be a downside. But if I can work
Speaker 1: on that, that's the part I want to Well, I
Speaker 1: just think they'd have to make all the doorways windows,
Speaker 1: whatever you're swinging into caves, They're just gonna have to
Speaker 1: double the width of them huge. Yeah. Yeah, if sailing that,
Speaker 1: if I really can't master my spatial awareness, so it
Speaker 1: would be something that was still a kind of physical
Speaker 1: challenge like Castaway, you know Tom hank or like Leonardo
Speaker 1: DiCaprio and the Revenant. But you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: something like challenging no fact, no thanks old for a
Speaker 1: year eating, fucking living in a horse skin? What you're doing? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right? Actually, yeah, I like a hotel. I'm not.
Speaker 1: I've never been a camper. Actually, never been a camper camping.
Speaker 1: Not good at camping. What is the worst date or
Speaker 1: time you've ever had a film? I remember the occasion.
Speaker 1: I can't remember what film it was, but I know
Speaker 1: that I'd gone to Showcase Cinemas in Winners Triangle, Ah showcase.
Speaker 1: When Showcase Cinemas came to Winna's Triangle, everyone was happy
Speaker 1: and I had gone to see a film with a guy.
Speaker 1: I must have been about fourteen. Maybe is this pretty
Speaker 1: or postal Alita? This was? I think this was post
Speaker 1: and yeah fourteen? Actually was it? Hang on? Was it
Speaker 1: postal Alita? Uh? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah, so yeah, sorry, I've
Speaker 1: got fixated on that being an important Yeah, so I'm
Speaker 1: still at school. I've gone to Showcase Cinemas with a guy,
Speaker 1: and I remember after the film, they're being a kind
Speaker 1: of awkward kiss outside, and I remember him touching my
Speaker 1: boobs and saying that they weren't as big as other
Speaker 1: booms he'd felt. Oh no, And I mean, why would
Speaker 1: you say that? Is he saying that whilst kissing you?
Speaker 1: Or you do kiss touch and he gives you think
Speaker 1: it was I think it was kiss touch comment. Now
Speaker 1: part of me thinks maybe I asked a question that
Speaker 1: was leading that made him response like I must have
Speaker 1: asked something or said something, but I can't remember what
Speaker 1: that was. I can't quite believe that he just said it.
Speaker 1: You know, I preper of nothing, but maybe he did.
Speaker 1: If he did, what on earth do you think he
Speaker 1: was thinking. Do you think he was thinking, I'll be
Speaker 1: I'll show you. Maybe he was insecure and he was
Speaker 1: inexperienced and he was training to sort of pretend like
Speaker 1: I want you to know I've done loads of it, yeah,
Speaker 1: or in some way of light or you're lucky that
Speaker 1: I'm still touching these because I've had I've had I
Speaker 1: could be touching something else. I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It seems weird thing to report to you. It really does,
Speaker 1: doesn't it. It's something you text later. It's not something
Speaker 1: you say. You know, even a little sound would have
Speaker 1: been laugh like, oh you know, even that's that's ambiguous.
Speaker 1: You could have just been like, oh yeah, can I'd
Speaker 1: be like, oh, what does that all mean? Does that
Speaker 1: mean he's surprised at what he feel? Like? What does he?
Speaker 1: But no, if if Filon told me, can you re
Speaker 1: enact how he said it? And I want to see
Speaker 1: what his face was doing. Okay, hang in a minute,
Speaker 1: don't you trying so? Kids? Kids? It was a very
Speaker 1: blank face. It was very black. It was more like
Speaker 1: it was it was like this, they're not as they're
Speaker 1: not as big as other ones I've touched, but very blank. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: having seen this re enacting it was like, we're not
Speaker 1: as big as other ones I've touched. Blank blank. Eye
Speaker 1: contact or looking at the boots. No, I think he
Speaker 1: did give me some eye contact. Didn't seem to phase him.
Speaker 1: See now you've reenacted it, I'd say that there's an
Speaker 1: element of curiosity to him. He doesn't seem it doesn't
Speaker 1: seem like it's meanness. It seems like he's like he's realizing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: different types of boobs. These are smaller than he's realizing
Speaker 1: that for the first time. This is like the way
Speaker 1: I was thinking it was like a nag. But he's going, oh, interesting,
Speaker 1: there are different size there are different size boobs. This
Speaker 1: is smaller than the last way. How interesting. I think
Speaker 1: he's saying, you're interesting. I think he's the word. That's
Speaker 1: a that's a lovely reading. That is a lovely read. Well,
Speaker 1: it's a wonderful performance. Thank you. You really brought something
Speaker 1: to the character that wasn't there on the page. On
Speaker 1: the page, this was a villain. And now I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh no, he's a sort of sweet scientist. He's kind
Speaker 1: of like he's learning about boobs for everybody. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: all feel different. They're all different to each other. Every
Speaker 1: one of them is different. You remember I was telling
Speaker 1: you about that the girl last week. They were like this,
Speaker 1: but then as with not all the same. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I think I love her and I think the date
Speaker 1: went well. He's saying to them, she seemed impressed by
Speaker 1: my findings. If I remember rightly, the same guy when
Speaker 1: I think I just started seeing him did kiss another
Speaker 1: girl and say it's because he promised her he would
Speaker 1: kiss her. So let's not give him too much slack.
Speaker 1: Well again, as a scientist, he's working out, he's made
Speaker 1: a promise. Promise, is a promise? Made a promise? I'm
Speaker 1: going to have to put it. Sounds like the best guy.
Speaker 1: Where is he now? Also, do you remember what you
Speaker 1: said when he gave you his scientific findings? Not really No,
Speaker 1: I think I was sort of silent. I think I
Speaker 1: didn't say anything. I think, but quite but quite Sadly,
Speaker 1: I think I did start wearing padded bras after that.
Speaker 1: Oh not now can't stand the padded bra now as
Speaker 1: I'm at work as an adult. As an adult, I'm
Speaker 1: very grateful for small boobs, like in the summer, quite nice,
Speaker 1: not having massive boobs. I can see a lot of
Speaker 1: my friends that have really big boobs. They find it
Speaker 1: hard to get really nice fitting bras. They get backache. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I just think, you know, now I've sort
Speaker 1: of now, if you could live in the world of
Speaker 1: one film, which would it be now? This? I found
Speaker 1: this one of the hardest questions, you know, And I
Speaker 1: think my answer, after much consideration is Moana. I love
Speaker 1: that not once we're not when it's all bad, but
Speaker 1: once you know, once she's restored the heart of Taffiti
Speaker 1: and everything's all nice again. I think I just sort
Speaker 1: of I like that idea of living on an island,
Speaker 1: things being simpler. Maybe of just like we're a community,
Speaker 1: we're working together, we're farming, growing out vegetables. It's just
Speaker 1: a beautiful place to be in. It a beautiful place
Speaker 1: to be. I'm a water baby. I love swimming in
Speaker 1: the sea. I've always kind of been into the idea
Speaker 1: of like communal living. I think I probably would live
Speaker 1: in a commune. If James was up for it, I'd
Speaker 1: live in a commune. He's not a pretty though easy
Speaker 1: I did for it. Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent not
Speaker 1: his vibe. But I like that. I like that idea
Speaker 1: partly why I was a property guardian living in mad
Speaker 1: empty buildings for ages. I like I like that. I mean,
Speaker 1: don't don't get me wrong, I now do like having
Speaker 1: a normal bath and a working cooker. But in your
Speaker 1: early twenties, when you're living in a massive office with
Speaker 1: all your mates, fun and if it was the right
Speaker 1: group of people, yeah, if you said to me, come on,
Speaker 1: let's live in a commune. Yeah, select we nearly lived
Speaker 1: in a commune. With those people. I'd like, that's a
Speaker 1: perfect I would have done that very happily. I would have.
Speaker 1: But you've got to be care for that way. Creating
Speaker 1: a cult lies. It is the beginnings of a cult,
Speaker 1: isn't it. But you know what, I think the word
Speaker 1: cult is banded around in a negative way, much like
Speaker 1: avoidance and cope and they go, they always say all
Speaker 1: they all start out nicely, don't know, they'll start out
Speaker 1: with good intentions they do. What is your favorite children's film.
Speaker 1: It's a nice one. It's a nice, simple one. If
Speaker 1: it's a modern one. Obviously I've mentioned Moana. I do
Speaker 1: love it, But I think my favorite modern children's film
Speaker 1: is maybe in Canto. Oh, I do listen. I do
Speaker 1: listen to the soundtrack a lot, great soundtrack, great film.
Speaker 1: Love Stephanie Beatrix, is it Beatrix R? I saw her?
Speaker 1: I saw her in two twenty two ghost Story. You
Speaker 1: know that was that everyone does. Yeah, I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: She was very good in it. Cheryl Cole's in it now.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was it was scary. Oh yeah, I did
Speaker 1: find it scary. I thought it was really good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to see that. Yeah, I love her. I
Speaker 1: just think it's a it's a film that brings so
Speaker 1: many amazing characters. It's Sketcho. It's Sketcho. It's a great ensemble,
Speaker 1: so many brilliant characters. Those are funny moments, but very heartwarming.
Speaker 1: I love Lin Manuel with Miranda and everything he does. Obviously,
Speaker 1: so I think of modern times that is my faith.
Speaker 1: Well is Sketcho if not a commune? Well there you go. Yes,
Speaker 1: Sketcho is one huge commune. When I think about my
Speaker 1: favorite kids film from when I was a kid, though,
Speaker 1: I think it might be Babe. I think it was
Speaker 1: on one of these pods that you told me the
Speaker 1: fact about the director of Babe because I mentioned it.
Speaker 1: The same director remind me of the guy who juiced Baby.
Speaker 1: He made Babe is the same guy who made Mad Max,
Speaker 1: mad Max, Fury Road, A Thousand Years of Lunging, and
Speaker 1: he also made Happy Feet. I mean he's yes. I
Speaker 1: remember I mentioned loads of his films on your pots
Speaker 1: and you were like, he must be your favorite director,
Speaker 1: favorite George Miller. Good choice. Baby is incredible. I think
Speaker 1: I became Veggie around the time of Babe. A lot
Speaker 1: of people did. Apparently there was a big rise of vegetarianism.
Speaker 1: I did it for a couple of years, and then
Speaker 1: my dad, who had a kebab fan when I was
Speaker 1: growing up, I got home one night and had a
Speaker 1: had a kebab next morning, had a bacon sandwich, kebab
Speaker 1: at midnight, bacon sandwich at nine am. Stop being a veggie.
Speaker 1: I heard that some of the crew on Babe was
Speaker 1: so frustrated because it was very difficult working with the
Speaker 1: pigs because they, you know, they've nity or whatever. Sometimes
Speaker 1: they used to eat ribs like in front of them. YEA,
Speaker 1: look at what I could do to you? What is
Speaker 1: the film you didn't think you would like that you
Speaker 1: ended up loving? Now this film is I mentioned it
Speaker 1: to you before, not on one of these pods, But
Speaker 1: remember what was it that you did? Was it in
Speaker 1: the pandemic when you got people to recommend the film
Speaker 1: every day in the pany d fighting with my family?
Speaker 1: That was the film I chose for your thing. Such
Speaker 1: a good film, Such a good film, And I don't
Speaker 1: know why I was a bit resistant to watching it.
Speaker 1: Like James really wanted me to watch it. He was like,
Speaker 1: I think I think you'll love it. You got to
Speaker 1: watch it, and you know it's got the ingredients for
Speaker 1: a great film. Stephen Merchant, funny, why wouldn't I like it?
Speaker 1: The Rocks in it, Florence Pew, everyone, the whole cast
Speaker 1: is great. But I don't know. I just thought, oh,
Speaker 1: I thought, I think, I thought it was just going
Speaker 1: to be a bit mare, And then I watched it
Speaker 1: and loved it. Yeah, absolutely loved it. If you haven't
Speaker 1: watched it, I completely recommend it. Based on a true
Speaker 1: story wrestler Parents, James is bigg into wrestling, and yeah,
Speaker 1: we only found out on the last part, having never
Speaker 1: mentioned it the entire time I've known him. Really, just
Speaker 1: before Bird he's getting me to watch all sorts just
Speaker 1: before I go to sleep. And some of these characters
Speaker 1: are scary. I've had nightmares about the Fiend. The Fiend
Speaker 1: is the scariest character. And also I think you'd love
Speaker 1: wrestling very sketcho using sport, and the Fiend has one
Speaker 1: of the scariest masks I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 1: And he comes on in like pitch black and suddenly
Speaker 1: the lights are on. He's there. There's like there's like
Speaker 1: weird twinkly kids music. It's all a sort of like
Speaker 1: in his mind, and like it's all like playing on
Speaker 1: his psyche and what's real and what's not and let
Speaker 1: me look at this. I think it'd be a really
Speaker 1: fun job writing stories for wrestlers. Look up the Fiend's
Speaker 1: he's scary, scary. Imagine seeing that just before bed, just
Speaker 1: as you're trying to go to sleep. That's classic. That's
Speaker 1: classic Beast days. That's classic Beast. He either gets me
Speaker 1: to watch really shit sketches or the Fiend just before bed,
Speaker 1: I think, and I should have been more receptive, Like
Speaker 1: my dad's a karate coach. He's into you know, that
Speaker 1: kind of thing as well. And I just thought, but
Speaker 1: I get it. I think that the way it was
Speaker 1: perhaps marketed, it looked like it was kind of silly.
Speaker 1: It looks sort of broad and silly, and in fact,
Speaker 1: it's very deep and it's beautiful and it's heartbreak, it's
Speaker 1: very moving. It's incredible. Great Phil, Yeah, it's incredible. And
Speaker 1: Florence Pierre is brilliant in it, and one of my
Speaker 1: favorite ever comic actors, Julia Davis is in it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: every other mom who plays the mom Lena Lena Heady.
Speaker 1: Nick Frost I saw him recently at the Eurostar shut out, Yeah,
Speaker 1: popping on the ear of same Eurostar as me after France,
Speaker 1: There you go? How did I know it was him?
Speaker 1: All of the rings he wears, all those rings on
Speaker 1: his fingers, and his face. It was him by his face,
Speaker 1: his very well known face. What is the single most
Speaker 1: erotic moment in a film? It is Here We Go.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're going to be I think
Speaker 1: you might be surprised by this because I think it's
Speaker 1: maybe quite an obvious answer, because I think you're expecting
Speaker 1: me to say something odd. It is when Baby finds
Speaker 1: the room in Dirty Dancing where they're all doing the
Speaker 1: day dancing, and she's carrying the watermelons. Yeah, which I
Speaker 1: mean this bit that that doesn't make me feel sexy
Speaker 1: because I remember being in Turkey as a kid and
Speaker 1: my nana would carry watermelons under her arm, and I
Speaker 1: remember us going to a family friend's house and my
Speaker 1: nana had these huge watermelons and I really wanted to
Speaker 1: carry them under my arm like she did, and my
Speaker 1: dad was like, mill, no, they're too heavy. I don't
Speaker 1: think you should. Don't do it, don't do it, don't
Speaker 1: do it. I was like, please, I want to carry
Speaker 1: the watermelons under my arms like my nana. They put
Speaker 1: the watermelons under my arms. They both slipped out immediately
Speaker 1: smashed on the floor, completely smashed. Couldn't use So, yeah,
Speaker 1: that bit's not a rotic. That just reminds me of that.
Speaker 1: But did them at Nana? Wasn't my dad's livid? Yeah,
Speaker 1: because he tried to tell me over and over again.
Speaker 1: I wasn't allowed to do it. Um. But yeah, once
Speaker 1: she's in and then when once you know, old Patrick
Speaker 1: comes in and he's doing his hips and they start,
Speaker 1: it's a perfect get just build up, build up. I
Speaker 1: can just give me the warmelon, please, and they splat
Speaker 1: in such a comical way. They splat hard, it goes everywhere. Sorry,
Speaker 1: got warmelon? Turns she's got a warmelon, she gets rid
Speaker 1: of them. She's watching everyone grinding up against each other
Speaker 1: and it's just so sexy. I there's nothing sexier than
Speaker 1: watching people dance like that with each other. There's nothing
Speaker 1: sexier than a good dancer. And this is why James
Speaker 1: always says, if I'm ever offered strictly, I'm not allowed
Speaker 1: to go on my absolute dream. He thinks I'd be
Speaker 1: struck by the strictly curse. Yeah, I can see that happening.
Speaker 1: So your favorite thing is watching people fright at each other.
Speaker 1: That's great. I think you're also a very good dancer, Kenny, So,
Speaker 1: oh thank you. You're very good dancer. I think you
Speaker 1: you'd be so good you'd win it. Oh, come on,
Speaker 1: if I'm ever asked to go on it, James will
Speaker 1: have to deal with it. I'm going on, I've got well,
Speaker 1: he can also dance. Why can't he be your partner.
Speaker 1: I've said that to him. Well, that's his caveat if
Speaker 1: they let us go on apair, neither of us being
Speaker 1: professional dancers. I think you could pin it off. If
Speaker 1: you're listening BBC one, I'll give it a good bloody guy.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I do think that is that. Whenever I
Speaker 1: watch that, I'm like, that is so yeah, there's something
Speaker 1: sexy about it. They're not having sex, but it's like
Speaker 1: it's the suggestion of and they are being very sexual. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't like I don't like that word. I don't
Speaker 1: like that none zon, but it exists. I don't like it. Again,
Speaker 1: you're you're seeing with negative connotations, you know. I think
Speaker 1: you've got to rethink language a bit. Which film that
Speaker 1: you don't care about as a whole has a single
Speaker 1: sequence that you absolutely love to death. Okay, I actually
Speaker 1: feel a bit bad saying that I don't care about
Speaker 1: this film as a whole, but I don't mind not
Speaker 1: watching the film as a whole again, but I do
Speaker 1: sometimes just pop this sequence on YouTube if I want
Speaker 1: a little giggle. And it is from the film Girls Trip,
Speaker 1: Great Great, which I have got on DVD. And it's
Speaker 1: the bit where they're in New Orleans. And I have
Speaker 1: been to New Orleans before, so I think I like
Speaker 1: seeing New Orleans, loved it, loved it. You know the
Speaker 1: bit where you've seen it? Yeah, yeah, so you're gonna
Speaker 1: it's obvious what I've picked. It's the bit where they're
Speaker 1: swinging across the street, across you know, the main street
Speaker 1: in New Orleans, Bourbon Street, and Jada Pinkett Smith does
Speaker 1: a wee on everybody, and then it's like a comedy
Speaker 1: wi It's like a waterfall wei. And then I'm embarrassed
Speaker 1: to say this is my fit that I love. And
Speaker 1: then I think it's who swings up? Who is it?
Speaker 1: Tiffany Haddiche. I think swings and then like, yeah, in solidarity,
Speaker 1: she doesn't we as well, and I just I mean,
Speaker 1: you've seen my sketch comedy. Of course I love that
Speaker 1: sequence of course I do. It just makes me laugh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's fucking funny, to be fair. I can't argue it funny.
Speaker 1: And I know it's like, oh, okay, that's a bit base,
Speaker 1: but like it's slapstick to me. That's slapstick. It's good
Speaker 1: stuff to me. Pissing on a crowd, Yeah, pissing on
Speaker 1: the crowd. Come on, did you live in the house
Speaker 1: with us at mac Comedy? First? When I was going
Speaker 1: out with James and we got back to the house
Speaker 1: and I was really drunk and he had to carry
Speaker 1: me out the taxi and I weed on him. Were
Speaker 1: you there? I can't remember. Yeah, it was like it
Speaker 1: was bad. That was bad. That was very train a
Speaker 1: sort of dog, wasn't it like trying to get you
Speaker 1: into the street before you the outside? I was really
Speaker 1: I was told off that night by by Rose, I
Speaker 1: believe really. Yeah, she was like, that's unacceptable, Camill. It
Speaker 1: wasn't unacceptable to be fair. Oh, it's fine when Jada
Speaker 1: and Tiffany do it fair, it's all fan of games
Speaker 1: mainstream cinema, but in a cabin back. What is the
Speaker 1: film that stayed with you the longest after seeing it? Now,
Speaker 1: I actually only watched this film last year. I think
Speaker 1: it was the end of last year, so one month. Okay,
Speaker 1: thank you for understanding the question. I feel like it's
Speaker 1: going to stay with me for a long time. I've
Speaker 1: thought about it based I think, I would say I
Speaker 1: probably have thought about it. It's popped into my mind
Speaker 1: every day since I watched it. Okay, I think. And
Speaker 1: it is a film called the Imitation of Life, maybe
Speaker 1: not the maybe just imitate Imitation of life? Yes, big
Speaker 1: melodrama from the fifties. Yes, yeah, and before that that's
Speaker 1: what it was. A remake before that, there was there
Speaker 1: was a even earlier. The first one was from the thirties.
Speaker 1: Watched okay, no, I watched the fifties one. Go on,
Speaker 1: tell me, hang on, who's this Douglas you're talking of
Speaker 1: the director? Oh that's the director? Oh right? Okay? By
Speaker 1: by by by right? Who's Douglas you speak of? Who's
Speaker 1: this Douglas you talk of? Yeah? And so have you
Speaker 1: seen it? Yes? I have it? Yeah, And I think
Speaker 1: it's stayed with me, and it will stay with me
Speaker 1: because i've When I was watching it, it sort of
Speaker 1: made me think about certain things from being young from
Speaker 1: when I was younger that I sort of only as
Speaker 1: I get older really unpick and think about basically the
Speaker 1: daughter in it, the daughter of the black woman. She yeah,
Speaker 1: she kind of protects. She pretends that she's white because
Speaker 1: she does look white, and it's really sad, and she
Speaker 1: sort of she sort of like disregards her mom. She
Speaker 1: moves away, she doesn't want her mum to have anything
Speaker 1: to do with her. She doesn't want no people to
Speaker 1: know she's got a black mom. And it made me
Speaker 1: think about being white passing, and like I'm half Guyanese
Speaker 1: and my mum and dad broke up when I was
Speaker 1: very little, and then I took on my other dad's
Speaker 1: son Turkish Turkish surname because my mum when mom married
Speaker 1: him when I was really young and had my name changed,
Speaker 1: so I only ever knew my surname to be my
Speaker 1: Turkish surname. And and I remember when I was younger,
Speaker 1: it wasn't like I sort of pretended to be well,
Speaker 1: I kind of did. It was kind of for a
Speaker 1: period of time it felt like almost like we sort
Speaker 1: of pretended I was half Turkish even though I wasn't.
Speaker 1: And if people said to me, because I sort of
Speaker 1: I don't look necessarily mixed race, people normally think people
Speaker 1: are normally like, oh, what are you again? You know,
Speaker 1: they're like, there's a summit, there's summit going on. Ye,
Speaker 1: racially ambiguous, but I am white passing, so people don't
Speaker 1: often think that I'm mixed race. And yeah, I remember
Speaker 1: when I was younger, it was sort of it was
Speaker 1: sort of like if someone said to me, oh, right,
Speaker 1: what's your surname Turkish? Oh you're half Turkish? I'd say yeah.
Speaker 1: It was only when I became a teenager that I
Speaker 1: started to feel sort of uncomfortable saying that. And it's
Speaker 1: not the same as the film, but it's just a
Speaker 1: lot of things in the film maybe think about maybe
Speaker 1: think about that stuff. And yeah, I remember being a
Speaker 1: teenager and like noticing the fact that my sister, who's
Speaker 1: our Turkish dad is her biological dad, and that's that's
Speaker 1: the other thing. I think he'd be very upset to
Speaker 1: even hear me refer to him as my stepdad. So
Speaker 1: it was sort of like unculturally I was brought up
Speaker 1: in that way, went to Turkey every year, and brought
Speaker 1: up in a Turkish like household. But I know that
Speaker 1: I don't have that same almost like connection to Turkey
Speaker 1: that I feel my sister does have. Yeah, do you
Speaker 1: feel that? Do you feel that, given that ninety five
Speaker 1: percent of your life was experiencing that, do you not
Speaker 1: feel that connection to Turkey? I do? I definitely do.
Speaker 1: I definitely feel I definitely feel a cultural connection to it,
Speaker 1: and I love it and I loved going there. I
Speaker 1: still love going there. I feel like that part, you know,
Speaker 1: it was it was still a mixed heritage household. I
Speaker 1: feel like that part, you know, I never grew up
Speaker 1: feeling like that wasn't a part of who I am.
Speaker 1: But as I get older, I definitely sort of get
Speaker 1: more and more interested in what my actual heritage is
Speaker 1: and wanting to know more about it. And I've always
Speaker 1: been in touch with my Guyanese family, but naturally it
Speaker 1: just wasn't as close and easy, and so I think
Speaker 1: as well, I was a bit nervous about, you know,
Speaker 1: upsetting my mom and my Turkish dad by wanting to
Speaker 1: explore that more and wanting to understand that more because
Speaker 1: you don't want to feel like, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: want to feel like I'm saying I don't want to
Speaker 1: be this, I want to be that. But it's more
Speaker 1: of a thing of like you want to know where
Speaker 1: you're from and what your heritage is and understand it.
Speaker 1: Can I ask you a question, Yeah, all of this
Speaker 1: is really fascinating to me. In your like dream version,
Speaker 1: what's the result of it? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: If you could have best case, best case, know you
Speaker 1: find all this stuff, does it make you feel? What
Speaker 1: does it change in your life? So it's not necessarily
Speaker 1: about thinking I'm going to find It's not like I
Speaker 1: don't know what my heritage at all. But I think
Speaker 1: it is that, you know, with my Guyanese grandparents, there
Speaker 1: is a bit of mystery sort of around it, Like
Speaker 1: none of them, the older members of my Guyanese family
Speaker 1: don't want to go back to Guyana. There's like lots
Speaker 1: of things they don't sort of seem to want to
Speaker 1: talk about. And I think it is that sort of
Speaker 1: mystery around it that makes you want to know even more, like, well,
Speaker 1: why don't you want to go back? What happened? You hear?
Speaker 1: Like little snippets of things that happened, but there's something
Speaker 1: in me that just as like what wants to understand
Speaker 1: it more or no more? I think as well being like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think being an actor is a
Speaker 1: bit there's that thing of like it's often all about
Speaker 1: what you look like, and what you look like is discussed,
Speaker 1: like recently, I'm going to do your part for something,
Speaker 1: and then they came back and they were like, actually,
Speaker 1: we're not sure if you're going to play this part
Speaker 1: because we need to make sure that it's someone diverse.
Speaker 1: So we're just we're just talk We're just we're just
Speaker 1: talking about it. And I said to my agent, they're
Speaker 1: having this conversation of like does she look diverse enough?
Speaker 1: Like what? And you know, I have had other people
Speaker 1: offer me auditions that are for like diverse parts and
Speaker 1: they're like, what are you again? You have to sort
Speaker 1: of say, and it's that odd it's that odd thing
Speaker 1: when you're when you're white passing that you it doesn't
Speaker 1: really matter what you are, it's sort of what you
Speaker 1: look like. And yeah, so it's just something that I
Speaker 1: sometimes find complex to get my own head around. And
Speaker 1: I think I remember in that instance, I said like
Speaker 1: I don't think I should play this part if you're
Speaker 1: you know, you're having that conversation, and I don't feel
Speaker 1: like I should play that part. So I'm just going
Speaker 1: to not do that. Yeah, I just think it's a
Speaker 1: very with all kinds of acting in terms of like, well, actually,
Speaker 1: in the film in the fifties, in the nineteen fifty
Speaker 1: fifties film of Imitation of Life, the daughter is I
Speaker 1: believe played by a Mexican. I think she's half Mexican,
Speaker 1: half check. And I feel like if that film was
Speaker 1: made now, she would be played by a black actor
Speaker 1: who was white passing rather than an actress who was
Speaker 1: not black at all. But then it's like, well is
Speaker 1: that a is that? What do you think? Is that? Okay?
Speaker 1: Because she does it matter that she wasn't because it
Speaker 1: sort of you know, her argument in the film is
Speaker 1: like she doesn't want to be that because she does,
Speaker 1: and she doesn't look like she is, so she can.
Speaker 1: It's very really complex. I think, Yeah, have you seen
Speaker 1: the great film of last year passing the films? Oh
Speaker 1: you must, oh you must, absolutely mustn't. Okay, I'll watch it.
Speaker 1: Fucking brilliant, and it's about all of this I'll watch it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: very good answer, Connie. Thank you for being so open
Speaker 1: and wonderful. What is the film that made you feel
Speaker 1: better about the world. The film that made me feel
Speaker 1: better about the world is Brian and Charles. That's a
Speaker 1: nice answer, your old friend Brian and Charles. Brian getting
Speaker 1: is one of my first ever proper jobs that get
Speaker 1: in this pilot. That's how we met. I met you
Speaker 1: in an audition room. I remember, I vividly remember it, Brett.
Speaker 1: I remember, do you know what as well? On the
Speaker 1: way to that audition, I think I'd had an argument
Speaker 1: with my then with my then partner, and I think
Speaker 1: I'd had a little cry on the way to the
Speaker 1: audition and was feeling really shit. And then I remember
Speaker 1: getting into the room and you were sat in the
Speaker 1: corner because you had a bad cold. You were almost silent,
Speaker 1: but you were feeling really rough. I didn't want to
Speaker 1: make anyone else. Yeah, that was one of my first
Speaker 1: ever jobs. Yeah, how long ago, that long long time ago.
Speaker 1: We made it a long time ago. It was so fun.
Speaker 1: It was such a fun job. Yeah, and I think
Speaker 1: I think it was my first, yeah, one of my
Speaker 1: first filming jobs. And I was also like, oh wow,
Speaker 1: they've written a script, but they're also letting us improvise
Speaker 1: a bit. And I remember thinking that was like incredible.
Speaker 1: I sort of didn't quite realize, Oh, that's what you
Speaker 1: can do when you're filming as well, you can still
Speaker 1: improve a bit. How cool is that. I've still got
Speaker 1: the I've still got the Doc Martins from that job. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: If anyone's wondering about Bryan dot Martins, they last, they
Speaker 1: do last. But yeah, I loved that and I loved
Speaker 1: I loved that film. It did make me feel sad,
Speaker 1: but it makes me feel better about the world too.
Speaker 1: It's a lovely just a lovely, lovely, funny film if
Speaker 1: you want cheering up. I love that it's been so
Speaker 1: successful and yeah, Bryan Guittons has been doing various versions
Speaker 1: of Brian Guittons for so long, so long, he's so good,
Speaker 1: not quite breakfu. It was all doing well but never massive,
Speaker 1: and then finally made this film and it's like there
Speaker 1: you go, now everyone's did I love it? Well, it's brilliant.
Speaker 1: If you haven't watched it, you've got to watch it.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it has it is lovely. Brian Bloody Guttons
Speaker 1: dandy guts. Who is your favorite couple in a film? Now,
Speaker 1: I'm sure that this answer may change in the future,
Speaker 1: but this is just what came up. Or Thrapple twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three. Well, actually I'm not choosing a heteronormative couple.
Speaker 1: I've chosen the couple in Bros. I fucking loved Bros.
Speaker 1: I loved it too. Now maybe we did. We saw it,
Speaker 1: just I can't remember how long ago we saw it.
Speaker 1: A few months ago, long ago, that long ago December,
Speaker 1: And so maybe they're sort of in my mind because
Speaker 1: I've seen it, Brett. I told you at the start
Speaker 1: of the pot, I've exhausted every film I've ever watched
Speaker 1: in your previous pods. Yeah, so it's in my mind,
Speaker 1: I really But I did really love that film. It
Speaker 1: made us laugh a lot. I wasn't expecting for it
Speaker 1: to make me laugh as much as it did. It
Speaker 1: was really funny, and I do think that they are
Speaker 1: a great couple. It's like, you know, how they get together.
Speaker 1: It's a bit mucky, it's a bit you know, tricky,
Speaker 1: they're a bit horrible to each other, but it's because
Speaker 1: they actually like each other and they're dealing with who
Speaker 1: they are themselves and by the end what I was
Speaker 1: saying was normally and filed with films like that where
Speaker 1: it's like a rocky start, not normally by the end
Speaker 1: it's like, oh and now it's our wedding day and
Speaker 1: happily ever after, whereas this was a more realistic ending
Speaker 1: and like but still but still like happy and like
Speaker 1: just real. I just thought they played like they played
Speaker 1: two complicated people falling in love really really well agreed
Speaker 1: love it. Yeah, it was kind of how me and
Speaker 1: James got together. It wasn't just like yeah, I was
Speaker 1: thinking that you didn't want to say I didn't want
Speaker 1: to say yeah, But like it was not that it
Speaker 1: was bad when we got together. It was like it
Speaker 1: was not just like easy easy, and all the blocks,
Speaker 1: all the sort of blocks you had along the way.
Speaker 1: We're all working out who each other were and also
Speaker 1: making assumpsence about each other that we're wrong and yeah,
Speaker 1: I think very natural and very and partly maybe because
Speaker 1: we were friends for ages, so we actually knew each
Speaker 1: You know, when you start seeing someone and you didn't
Speaker 1: know them as a friend before that, you can just
Speaker 1: give them a version of yourselves that you want to
Speaker 1: give them. Whereas when your friends with someone first, they
Speaker 1: actually know what you're actually like, and so you have
Speaker 1: to sort of acknowledge that a cab you knew what
Speaker 1: you were saying. But yeah, I loved it. I loved
Speaker 1: that film so great. What film inspired you, Camille? Who
Speaker 1: done to do something? Don't look up? It inspired me
Speaker 1: to buy some glass tupperware. Oh okay, I bought some
Speaker 1: glass tupperware guys instead of plastic. And I think maybe
Speaker 1: I changed energy providers. Maybe was I going to do
Speaker 1: that anyway? Not sure, but I did. You know, at
Speaker 1: the end of the film, it's like, you can go
Speaker 1: on this website and see what you can do to help,
Speaker 1: you know, climate change. I did go on the website
Speaker 1: and it did make me do some stuff. That film
Speaker 1: has a similar vibe for me as a film I
Speaker 1: think I've mentioned on here before Melancholia, very depressing, you know,
Speaker 1: sort of the end of the world, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: not good for death anxiety. But it did instead of
Speaker 1: me jumping into the black hole and getting really upset,
Speaker 1: it did make me go on the website and do
Speaker 1: do something actionable. Very impressed Coney, What did you do
Speaker 1: after watching that? Hey, don't look up? Just plastic bags.
Speaker 1: Plastic bags directly from jumped in your car, Camille, who done?
Speaker 1: That's it? You stand between heaven and hell. And based
Speaker 1: on your various answers, I want to make one last thought.
Speaker 1: Can you offer one film that is meaningful in the
Speaker 1: hope that I will spare your life from gates of Hell?
Speaker 1: M Yes, again, watched it fairly recently, of course, and
Speaker 1: the film I've chosen is bunchees of in a Sharin
Speaker 1: or in a Sharon in a Sharones in Sharon. That
Speaker 1: film very meaningful. Yeah, an incredible, incredible film. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know I'm not the first to say it's been
Speaker 1: widely critics critics love it. Um fuck the haters. That's all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is. It's that I love it. It was. It
Speaker 1: was absolutely amazing. I will talk about that film in
Speaker 1: a lot of detail when I finally do Films of
Speaker 1: the Year with nis Kuma. Okay, that's kind of obvious.
Speaker 1: A wonderful film and I love it. Yeah, look forward
Speaker 1: to it. Camille Chan, well done. You have been so
Speaker 1: good and frankly, we're good sort of five minutes in
Speaker 1: and this has all been a waste of time because
Speaker 1: you're going to heaven. Yeah. Yeah, you're a good girl
Speaker 1: and a lovely sketch and a fantastic stand up. Very good,
Speaker 1: very good. Oh it's been a pleasure. It's been a pleasure.
Speaker 1: Thank you for killing me a third time. I love you.
Speaker 1: Tell me this? Is there anything we should be listening
Speaker 1: to to look out for, to watch? Oh, if you
Speaker 1: haven't already seen it, please watch the Horn Section TV
Speaker 1: show on All four. You can listen to my podcast
Speaker 1: Bertha Girls House Party wherever you get your pods, and
Speaker 1: I'm I'm on online at Camille Utcha. Nothing else to
Speaker 1: say really is that. Thanks Knie. I love hanging out
Speaker 1: with you. Thank you very much for your time. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Lovely to see you as always. Please send love to
Speaker 1: the beast. I will do okay, I will. I'm fun
Speaker 1: in heaven. So that was episode two hundred and thirty five.
Speaker 1: Head over to Patreon at patreon dot com forwards. Last
Speaker 1: Brett Goldstein for the extra chat, secrets and video with Camille.
Speaker 1: Remember to watch Shrinking, which is on Apple TV plus.
Speaker 1: Episode five should be out by now. You will love it.
Speaker 1: If you haven't started watching it, now's a good time
Speaker 1: to do it. Thank you for those who have watched
Speaker 1: it and send lovely messages. I'm very grateful for them.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much to Camille for giving me or
Speaker 1: her time. Thanks to Scrubious Pipping the Distraction Pieces Network,
Speaker 1: Thanks to Buddy Piece for producing it, Thanks to a
Speaker 1: Guards for hosting it. Thanks to Adam Richardson for the
Speaker 1: graphics at least light them for the photography. Come and
Speaker 1: join me next week for another Smashing guest. So that
Speaker 1: ZIP for now. In the meantime, have a lovely week.
Speaker 1: Please be excellent to each other.